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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan, and today on the show, we are joined

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Speaker 1: by Tyler Jones and Casey Smith of the Element to

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Speaker 1: discuss hunting in the South, making a trip from the

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Speaker 1: public land bucks. All right, welcome to the Wired to

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Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, brought to you by First Light, and today

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Speaker 1: we've got a much needed topic of discussion, something we

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Speaker 1: don't talk about enough. I'm sorry to those of you

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Speaker 1: who have been asking for this and that I've been

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Speaker 1: not doing it as much as I know you want.

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Speaker 1: But we are talking about hunting in the South. We're

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Speaker 1: talking about hunting and Texas. We're talking about the differences

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Speaker 1: to places like the Midwest and elsewhere. And joining me

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Speaker 1: to do that is Casey Smith and Tyler Jones. They

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Speaker 1: run the Element podcast the Element YouTube channel. They are

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Speaker 1: a couple die hard public land bow hunters and they're

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Speaker 1: doing it the d I y Any remand's kind of

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Speaker 1: the type of people I really loved to chat with,

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Speaker 1: and they've got a great perspective, especially because they're hunting

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Speaker 1: a place that that I haven't hunting before, Texas, but

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Speaker 1: they're having success in places that I have as well.

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Speaker 1: So I thought this would be really interesting to see

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Speaker 1: what's different, what's the same, what can be applied to

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Speaker 1: either or I think there's a little bit of something

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Speaker 1: around the bush too much. I will just give you

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Speaker 1: a couple heads ups, a couple of reminders before we

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Speaker 1: get into it. Hunting season is about to start. My

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Speaker 1: season kicks off here in just a matter of days, almost,

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Speaker 1: which is insane. If you want to stay up to

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Speaker 1: Peterson's or anyone else, make sure you're following Wired Hunt

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Speaker 1: on social media, in particular on Instagram. You'll get to

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Speaker 1: see the latest stories from my hunt's updates on what's happening.

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Speaker 1: And then finally, make sure you're going over to the

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Speaker 1: all the latest content share with you. If you go

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Speaker 1: to the meat eater dot com slash wired w I

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Speaker 1: R E D. That's where you're gonna find all of

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Speaker 1: your inbox every week. So, without any further ado, I

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Speaker 1: think you're gonna enjoy this chat. I definitely did. Let's

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Speaker 1: get into it with Casey Smith and Tyler Jones. All

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Speaker 1: Jones and Casey Smith. Welcome to the show, guys, man,

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Speaker 1: glad to be here. Thanks for having us. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: got a busy schedule Aheady. I'm sure you're just like

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Speaker 1: so seven days from now, six days from now, are

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Speaker 1: I'll add to that that we um been redaling archery

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Speaker 1: But but you guys are much more unique than most

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Speaker 1: So unless I mean other than the rout fresh stuff,

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Speaker 1: That's just blanking. I'm getting old and I've got kids,

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Speaker 1: um and and there is some public land down there,

427
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 1: a lot of it's on a draw And those deer

428
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:45,360
Speaker 1: are very small bodied overall, and um, very plentiful. It's

429
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 1: wild man like. Um, you know you're talking. I think

430
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 1: you're kind of a looting like you were talking some

431
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,479
Speaker 1: about like, you know, body characteristics and stuff like that,

432
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 1: and of course we went straight to body size, but

433
00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 1: you know, antlers or what kind of makes this thing around.

434
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's it's so weird how it's been

435
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 1: stigmatized when you talk about trophies and things like that,

436
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,919
Speaker 1: just because of you know how just in the public

437
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: everything we do is now right, so you have to

438
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 1: just kind of be careful about the way you describe things.

439
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 1: But it also makes you, um take a little extra

440
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 1: effort to explain your reasoning on stuff. But anyways, you

441
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 1: know for antler size and stuff like that. Uh, I

442
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 1: feel like most people down here are just doing their

443
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: best to shoot something that's you know in the and

444
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 1: ups top thing. You know. It's just anytime you see

445
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: a Deyer around here that's gonna score super high, it's

446
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 1: because it has like a one forties to one fifties

447
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,239
Speaker 1: top frame and a bunch of junk. You know. That's like,

448
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: that's what is gonna usually happen. We just don't have

449
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,679
Speaker 1: the genetics, at least in our area to have those

450
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: you know, seventies and eighties top de Yer. But it

451
00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: happens every once in a while. So uh, there's always

452
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,640
Speaker 1: of these old stories and you might know the other

453
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: end of it. But um, like you go to Texas

454
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: or Mr. Something to be a old guy there and

455
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, that's one of them deer. It's got

456
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 1: something Michigan blood and him. You know, back in the

457
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: eight down here. They love to talk about that. They

458
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: love it. But I don't know how y'all had to

459
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 1: give away, but it must have been millions. I'm glad

460
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: that a few of them made it to you. Yeah,

461
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 1: what about behavior? I mean, if if I'm thinking about

462
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,640
Speaker 1: the assumptions I have of Texas. I've never hunted there.

463
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 1: I have spent a little bit of time, and I've

464
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: got family that lived down there, so I've visited, uh

465
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: and so I've seen some of the critters running around.

466
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 1: If I had to make an assumption about Texas deer,

467
00:24:55,920 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 1: my assumption from two thousand miles away is that there's

468
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,959
Speaker 1: a lot of them. They are kind of dumb. They

469
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: come into the corn feeder and just feed like birds,

470
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah, and those things that you see.

471
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: And then secondly, they react to rattling more than anywhere else.

472
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: That's another thing that I feel like stands out that

473
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,199
Speaker 1: I've heard. I don't know if that's a myth or not,

474
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: but if I we're gonna pull these assumptions, I'd say

475
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: rattling works like crazy in Texas. Tell me is any

476
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 1: of that actually true? And then number two, having the

477
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: experience you guys have of Midwest and Texas, how do

478
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 1: you actually see things being different from a behavior standpoint

479
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,959
Speaker 1: and how they operate and all that stuff. It's wild

480
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 1: because I hate to go back to this, but it's

481
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: so regional because we have such a large state. I

482
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 1: would say that what we hunt on a normal basis,

483
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: which is kind of the eastern half of the state,

484
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: none of those things that you've mentioned would be true here.

485
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: But what we have here looks nothing like what you

486
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 1: might get a chance to see on TV, because everybody

487
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: does go where it's probably a little easier to do,

488
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 1: you know, like, for instance, where we live, UM, a

489
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 1: lot of you know, suburban lot type areas in in UM,

490
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 1: you know, neighborhoods and stuff. But even the larger tracks,

491
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking about forty fifty acres stuff like that,

492
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: which I'm is probably kind of similar to UM, you know,

493
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: kind of where you're from. Whereas out west, you know,

494
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 1: in the western half of our state. Uh, you know,

495
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: two thousand acres is a small place. So what ends

496
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: up happening where we live is since it's um, you know,

497
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 1: bait is legal here, every twenty acre property has a

498
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: corn feeder. So, uh, it's kind of one of those

499
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: situations where if everyone's on the same plane, you're on

500
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: the same plane. You know, if you have a corner

501
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: in the middle of two thousand acres, you can bring

502
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: some deer in, you know, But if you have twenty

503
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: corn feeders on two thousand acres, you can't bring in

504
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 1: very many fere you know, so I think, Um, we've

505
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: talked about this at length on our show before, but

506
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: corn is kind of a weird deal because it can

507
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: make some things good. It can make situations calmer. Tyler

508
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: talks about this a lot, like, if you can get

509
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: a year where they're feeding, they're usually very comfortable, So

510
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: a lot of times you can make very ethical, good

511
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 1: clean shots. However, um, do you seem to like recognize

512
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: that they are being fed a lot of times? You know? So, Um,

513
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 1: maybe in a place like you see like on TV

514
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: where um, you know it's fairly low pressure, a large

515
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: track of land. Uh, you know, they come into the

516
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: feeder like you're saying, and a lot of times Uh,

517
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: honestly those around here do that, you know. But it's

518
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: weird how bucks have a different mentality about things. Yeah,

519
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 1: we have to, we feel like around here as far

520
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:44,959
Speaker 1: as feeding goes, Um, we hand feed for um. Like

521
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: if you if you put up a feeder that throws automatically,

522
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: you know, twice a day or something like that, which

523
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: a lot of guys do, it's a lot easier on you.

524
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 1: But um, you just don't see big bucks show up

525
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: to those very often. Um So a lot of times

526
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: what guys will do that are in the know kind

527
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: of will they'll just throw out a couple of bags

528
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: of corn and you know, put a trail camera over it.

529
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: If there's a big deer in the area, then they'll

530
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: just try to keep some corn there for a while.

531
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: A lot of times us to eat it all. Yeah, yeah,

532
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: that's that's another issue you know that we we do bad.

533
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: I'd say this too, is that, Um, you know this

534
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: is all privately in discussion. Tyler and I hunt probably

535
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: seventy five public land maybe more here in Texas and

536
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: uh on that baiting is out, so you pretty much

537
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 1: actually hunt deer. Yeah, but yeah, I mean as far

538
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: as like behaviors go, um and rattling and stuff, we

539
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: hardly do it up here where we're from. Not that

540
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: it hasn't worked before us before, but it's just it's such.

541
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: I mean, what I like to tell people is where

542
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: you're seeing the TV shows down in the brush country, Um,

543
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: I can drive there, or I can drive into Illinois,

544
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like that's the same amount

545
00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: of time in different directions. So, um, it's to say

546
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: it's a different region. It's it's basically a different country

547
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: almost it's Mexico, you know what I mean. It's it's

548
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: completely different. That's that's really I opening to think of

549
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: it that way. So then my next question is, so

550
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: why do you go to Illinois instead of going to

551
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,719
Speaker 1: the other part of Texas? Like why why believe the

552
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: Texas the Glory Land, the lone Star state. And yeah,

553
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: so that's a good point because we do have a

554
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: you know, we have a tag. Our tags are here,

555
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: you know, and it's a resident fee and everything. So um,

556
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: but the reason is, um, I don't know. This is

557
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: I looked a stat up years ago. I'm not sure

558
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: how it ranks, but I'm sure it's very accurate still

559
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: for the most part. But um, Texas when I looked

560
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: this stat up, was the ninth largest. Um. Essentially, if

561
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: you were look at all the countries in the world

562
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: and their economies, we would be the ninth largest country

563
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: in the world, as as the state of Texas. So

564
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: I looked at it the other day. We've lost a spot,

565
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: so we know. But the point is, like that money

566
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: that comes out of Dallas and Austin and Houston and

567
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: San Antonio and all the and you know, all the

568
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: oil and stuff like that out west and and on

569
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: the coast. That money translates into corporate leases, which, um,

570
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: you know, if you're talking about the best hunting in

571
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: the state down there where I'm talking about in South Texas,

572
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking there are those are places that

573
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: people have to die before you get a chance to

574
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: hunt because they're these you know, I mean some of

575
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: these places are you know, Jerry Jones is the guy

576
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: that you know and his his his kids and grandkids

577
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: get done or something, you know, like and they go

578
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: once a year or whatever. But like that's the kind

579
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: of money that we're dealing with. I mean, and just

580
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: not obviously not everybody's high profile, but they have lots

581
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: of money and so um. And then there's these big

582
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: businesses that have corporate leases that um they get to

583
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: you know, send twenty or thirty dudes out and and

584
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: they they'll hunt it, you know, throughout the year and

585
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: they coordinate all that through email and whatever else. You

586
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: compare that with you know, a out of state o

587
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: TC tag that's you know, toppy end sevens, you know,

588
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: I mean, very top end the Illinois less than five bucks,

589
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: you know, so heir that to you know, what it

590
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: would take to get on a They do it by

591
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: gun down there, you know, and you you do uh

592
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: usually season leases and you know by gun is you know,

593
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: thirty five is probably a steel nowadays, you know, on

594
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: a spot. And you pair all that with the concept

595
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: of to do all this within your state, you have

596
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: to find private land to do it on, because you know,

597
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: last I checked for like two point three percent public

598
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: land access, like the accessible to hunting. I think there's

599
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: four percent in the state. But and then of those,

600
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: uh that two point three if you want to really

601
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: get down and look at what you can actually go

602
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: out in white tail hunt with archery or gun equipment,

603
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: it's real low without drawing, and the draw system is

604
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,719
Speaker 1: you know, pretty stacked. Whereas you had to say a

605
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: state in the Midwest that's over the count or you

606
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: got your you know, Foord to Sitting hundred area, I

607
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: guess you five dollar tag um and then you've got

608
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: all this public property that you can go out and

609
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: shoot giants on. You know. So you start doing a

610
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: little map and it's like, maybe I should go do

611
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: so you guys do still stick around a little bit

612
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: and do that public land thing in Texas, which, uh,

613
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: which does seem hard to do given there so little

614
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,239
Speaker 1: of it, but a lot of people probably that are

615
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: interested in men. I know there's a ton of hunters

616
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: in Texas. What's what are you doing different down there

617
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: to actually make that work? Sometimes? Um, you know we've

618
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: we've uh one thing that I would say that helps

619
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: us to kind of I don't know, separate or whatever,

620
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: just to um I try to be more efficient. Is

621
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: um identifying plant life. Um, we do a lot of

622
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, we're both kind of nerds about gardens

623
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So um, we can just walk

624
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: through the woods and pretty much know you know, all

625
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: the trees, especially here that we're seeing and what they do,

626
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: what they produce. Um, how big the acren is, when

627
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: the hogs or deer like to eat it, how long

628
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: it's got around? What's this thing? Acorn acre acre and

629
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: acorns acorns? Uh? Yeah, so you know there's different times

630
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: a year that those cannons break down. Uh, even if

631
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: they've been on the ground for a while, you know,

632
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,959
Speaker 1: deer won't mess with them until December or something. So

633
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: like we kind of do do a lot of that,

634
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: and then there's uh other times of the year outside

635
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: of hunting that helps us to hang trail cameras, uh

636
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: you know, preseason or whatever to learn what deer doing,

637
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: um based off of what they're eating, whether that's common

638
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: ragweed or cedar elm buds or whatever it might be.

639
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: So like that's one thing I think we we use

640
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: a lot to our advantage UM. And then you know, honestly,

641
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: we've done this uh kind of map scouting digital maps

642
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: scouting series we've done the last few years with on

643
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: X that's um really just been almost like a practice

644
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: session for us all summer, and so I think that's

645
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: tremendously helped us to be able to read maps. Yeah,

646
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 1: just go ahead. I was just gonna say, when you're

647
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: looking and you're east scouting in this place you hunt

648
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: in Texas, are you looking for anything? I'm assuming now,

649
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 1: I know you've already kind of told me that each

650
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: of these regions could be so different than the other,

651
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 1: But I gotta believe the east scouting Illinois looks a

652
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: lot different than East scouting Texas. No matter what part

653
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: of the state, is there anything unique like from a

654
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: step one east scouting standpoint that you're thinking, Man, there's

655
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: this kind of feature that's really pretty unique to this

656
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: area that you never would see in Illinois or Kansas

657
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: or Michigan. But here, I know that these kind of

658
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: brushy patches And by the way, you might hear chains

659
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: on the background. I'm sorry about that, guys. We had

660
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: a big tree come down and the guys that are

661
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: helping with a little bit of this stuff just showed up. Um.

662
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: But anyways, is there anything unique that stands out to

663
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: you that's that's special down where you're at versus other places? Um,

664
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: as far as maps gotting goes, I think it's more

665
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: the way that we uh read our terrain some and

666
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 1: I don't think it's unique to specifically where we're at,

667
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: but it might be more of a southern deer hunter

668
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: versus northern deer hunter type thing. We we have to

669
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: we have to hunt deer a lot of times that

670
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 1: aren't moving to heavy bed defeed type things because, um,

671
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: where most of these public properties are that we hunt,

672
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: they are old core of engineer properties or w M

673
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: A S or whatever it might be. That's just in

674
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: low lying areas that aren't good for any type of

675
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: agriculture and if there is close agriculture, usually it's hay,

676
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: which down here is coastal bermuda, which deer do not

677
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: even care about, you know, So uh, A lot of

678
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 1: times we're hunting deer that are on more natural movement patterns.

679
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: So we're trying to find uh things that funnel movement,

680
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: and that's probably pretty broad across the spectrum no matter

681
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: what state you're in. But I think that what we

682
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: end up hunting a lot of these creek bottom, river

683
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 1: bottom type uh areas. Okay, and a lot of times

684
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: I guess there's two things that I would think about.

685
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: There's something that we really like the key on we

686
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: call creek horns. I don't know, they might be called

687
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: something you know somewhere else, but it's essentially a big

688
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:29,439
Speaker 1: bend in a in a riparian system, right, so uh,

689
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: some people might call it a peninsula bow. Yeah, something

690
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: like that. But just something that's going to you know,

691
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: take whatever deer we're moving in large set area and

692
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: make them have to kind of pinch down to go

693
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: around the corner of that creek or river or whatever

694
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: it may be. We we look for that a lot

695
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: because a lot of times on these w maze and

696
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: stuff you can. Yeah, there's enough hunters around that if

697
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: you see a good looking pinch on the aerial is

698
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: going to be a standard too there already, you know,

699
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: so you have to find the stuff that's that's kind

700
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: of unique to that situation. Yeah. We also, um use

701
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: like secondary creek crossings a lot too, so off of

702
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: because the creek system generally is a highway for deer.

703
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: They're gonna move up and down this creek system a

704
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 1: lot of times, and then they have to cross these

705
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: secondary creeks that feed in these feeder creeks, and um,

706
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: there is there are very specific points that they cross

707
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: on these things sometimes. So if you can find that,

708
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: it takes it takes boot scouting to find that for

709
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: sure a lot of times. But that's a starting point.

710
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 1: And um, you can usually find the secondary creek on

711
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 1: the you you actually using like the uh the terrain

712
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: top of the lines and stuff, and then you can

713
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: walk that thing up and down and kind of find

714
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: those secondary crossings or whatever. And uh, you know that's

715
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: pretty good for for rut and even pre rutt stuff.

716
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: But we also kind of have a technique that I

717
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: think it's pretty unique for uh. Later season down here.

718
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: Um all these properties get a ton of pressure, you know,

719
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: as a lot of places do in the country, and

720
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: um by you know, mid December, deer actually end up

721
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: habitating in places that you wouldn't expect them to. And

722
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: we have these these areas on these river bottoms that

723
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: are mostly like um floodplain and it will be ash

724
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: trees with like hardly any um vegetation on the on

725
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: the forest floor. And it's because it's um underwater, you know,

726
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: three or four months out of the year, and it's

727
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: extremely difficult to hunt because all these trees are five

728
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: six inches in diameter, and it's very monotonous and it's

729
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: real hard to pattern deer and those deer just know

730
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: that people don't like to go into that kind of

731
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 1: stuff and hunt because it's almost impossible to a pick

732
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: a spot that you think you'll be within thirty yards

733
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: of a deer and also be find something a treat

734
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: that's big enough to hang a saddle or a tree

735
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: STANDI in. So I think that that's one of the

736
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: things that's really kind of helped us with success in

737
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 1: the past, is kind of identifying those places that UM

738
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: hunters don't want to go that's an interesting point, another

739
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: opposite example, but it's something that's a little bit unique

740
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: to what I see. So there's there's finding these places

741
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: the hunters wouldn't want to go. Then I also know

742
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: you guys have had some success on the native vegetation

743
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: that you mentioned where people would probably see it and think, oh,

744
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: I should go here. So so what about persimmon thickets

745
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: or something I've seen you guys take advantage of that.

746
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: And that's something that I never run into up here,

747
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: but I know you're seeing down there. Talk to me

748
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: a little about that. Uh. So, per simmons are gonna

749
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: be a early season food source most of the time.

750
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: You'll find some. Tyler actually has one here that's a

751
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: late dropper, which is gold if you can find one.

752
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: Uh And it's actually kind of nice to hang a

753
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: camera on one of those for seasonal data, even if

754
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: you're not gonna go back, just to see when they drop.

755
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: But uh, if you don't know what a persimmon is,

756
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: it's uh, I can't remember the scientific name, but there

757
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: and orange fruit that are about the size of a

758
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: golf ball. They'll be green in the summer and they'll

759
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: start to ripping towards the fall, and um, deer, possums, hogs, raccoons,

760
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: everything just love them. And if you taste one that's ripe,

761
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: they are actually delicious. But a lot of times us

762
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: as humans, we can taste the tannins in them and

763
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: they don't taste very good. But animals are a little

764
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: bit less sensitive to that. So um, we've just found

765
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: especially if you can uh find some later droppers that

766
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: are kind of pre rut or or even in early November,

767
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: that man, everything is in there. And what happens is

768
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: it kind of creates like a a little hub of

769
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: deer activity. It's not just a food source, but this

770
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 1: is this is something you see in food sources across

771
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: the board, right, Like there's food source staging where uh

772
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 1: you know they want to go in there and eat

773
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: the for simmons or eat the beans, eat the corn,

774
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: whatever it might be, and but they don't feel quite

775
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: comfortable or um, they know they can be in a

776
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: certain area and it just ends up being an area

777
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: like a social hub. Right. And we see that around

778
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 1: for simmons a lot that we scrapes and rubs and

779
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: just doze and bucks. Like last year, um uh we

780
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: have antler restrictions where we live, so they have to

781
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 1: be a certain with to uh to be able to shoot.

782
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: And we had a book come in that was kind

783
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: of right there bordering, and we decided to not uh in.

784
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: In retrospect, it was maybe not a great decision, but

785
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: it was the right one in the moment. You know,

786
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: I kind of have a little bit of uh, what's

787
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: that better safe than sorry? That's right, man, You know,

788
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: you don't want to do anything uh illegal. But um,

789
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: so it was really cool because we actually got to

790
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: um just observe. I don't know, we had no win,

791
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: so we kind of had like a rising thermal situation

792
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: or something. It was. It was really weird. But the

793
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: deer pretty much went all around us and never smelled us,

794
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: and uh, I just got to see him come in

795
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: and and um, we jokingly like to say run around.

796
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: He read it around us a good thing, you know,

797
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: but he was you know, making scrapes, rubbing on trees

798
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: and uh smelling around. And then another younger buck came

799
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: in from a different direction, and uh, he like walked

800
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: over there and did a very interesting, quiet but prominent snort.

801
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: We'se I don't know if you've heard that before, but

802
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: in the Midwest, you know, I hear him just you know,

803
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: and just blow the out. It was almost like he

804
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: knew he was a three year old, so he didn't

805
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: want to do too much, but he wanted to let

806
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: this one year old know who was the boss of

807
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: the the immediate area, you know. But it was just

808
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: kind of cool to just see, uh, you know that

809
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: interaction and how much can happen around a quality native

810
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: natural food source like that. Yeah, and to to kind

811
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: of relate that back to like an eat scouting stuff, uh,

812
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: one way to find those and you you have to

813
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: pair this up with like putting your eyes on this

814
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff, um, that's how you become

815
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: better at finding it on the map without having to

816
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: go find it with your boots or whatever. But like basically, um,

817
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: you know, on a lot of the stuff we hunt,

818
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: we can use. These um per simmons will grow in

819
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: the low lying areas and a lot of times in

820
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: open areas. So if you've had places been cleared by

821
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: the stay, a lot of times they are clearance cedars

822
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: and burning woman stuff, and so they have these kind

823
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 1: of little fields and stuff made um that are kind

824
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: of going fallow and uh, you can find them. They're

825
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: usually growing in thickets. They don't grow by themselves very often.

826
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: They grow in thickets, so you can start to find those.

827
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 1: If you find them with your eyes as well, then

828
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: you can relate that to almost any map you look at.

829
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: As they're saying this, something popped in my mind and

830
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: it it kind of takes in another direction. But I

831
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: gotta wrap my head around this. Do you guys, do

832
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: Texas hunters identify as like being Southern deer hunters or

833
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: do you feel like you're in a totally different category?

834
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: So what I mean by that is, I mean, do

835
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 1: you and a deer hunter from Alabama, a deer and

836
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 1: from Georgia be like, oh man, those guys up in

837
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 1: the Midwest are always talking about this stuff. It doesn't

838
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: relate to us, but you know, we we all get

839
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 1: each other. Do you have that or do you find

840
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: yourself on a different island, um from other people down

841
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 1: in the South and southeast. Yeah, there's they're a little

842
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 1: bit of that, you know. Um we live we're like

843
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: we're just pretty much in the South and the Southwest

844
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: like where we're at. I mean, it's crazy, but like

845
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: you know, like Fort Worth and all that is like

846
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: a huge steakhouse country, you know, cattle drives, We got

847
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: stockyards and Fort Worth like big big stockyards, you know.

848
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 1: And and so like we kind of we actually as

849
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: far as food goes, we live in a pretty awesome place.

850
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: Killer Cajun food, killer Mexican food, killer steaks. You know.

851
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 1: It's just we got the golf, you know. Yeah, it's

852
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: it's like a good place. But we also are kind

853
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 1: of like a mutt in that sense where we don't

854
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: really completely relate to anybody. We kind of have this

855
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: Southwestern vibe a little bit. And and uh, it's a

856
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: little bit different where we're at directly, at least because

857
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: we're not thick, thick, heavy pines. So it's a lot

858
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: different than like Alabama or something like that. Maybe it's

859
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: kind of like you have guys that will be like, oh,

860
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: pro football is the best, and then somebody else, like

861
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: college footballs with this. But then you get those college

862
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 1: football guys to the side, and like you know, war

863
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: Eagle versus roll Tide, you know what I mean. So,

864
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,439
Speaker 1: like I'm sure there's uh, there's some guys who would

865
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: go back and forth about if South Texas or East

866
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: Texas is better hunting, you know, but uh, overall we're

867
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: all united and uh, you know, dogging on the Midwestern

868
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: ver well, I think it's fun. Man, I don't I

869
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: don't know, Uh I would say that kind of going

870
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 1: back to one of the first things you said, Um,

871
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: I guess uh as far as culture goes, I don't

872
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: know if um I feel personally a whole lot of

873
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: like that Texas pride or whatever when it comes to

874
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 1: hunting here versus somewhere else, you know. And that's kind

875
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: of why we travel around. Man. I just love dear.

876
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: I love going and seeing new places and hunting deer

877
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: in new spots, and it's cool to go to the

878
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: Midwest and experience that and like Tyler jew Iowa and

879
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: nine team right and like to goog go up there

880
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: and just see everything that you've heard Bill Winky talk

881
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: about your whole life about like how specific days matter

882
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: and what happens you know, on this day versus this day.

883
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: It's it's neat so important question then, which is better

884
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 1: pro football or college football? Oh? Right up? College? All right,

885
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 1: we can we can continue. That was the correct answer.

886
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: But you're kind of the same about as us so

887
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: like you don't have a lot to brag about with

888
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: the lines, so it's like, you know, yeah, definitely college right, Yeah, yeah, definitely.

889
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 1: We've had many, many better years in the college side.

890
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: Uh what do you think about ut in Oklahoma going

891
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: to the SEC? Oh? Man, um, it was we can

892
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: make it our thirty second segment. So I went to

893
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: A and M Texas A and M, which you you

894
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: may know of. So for me, I'm like those followers,

895
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: you know, But a little part of me, I'm not

896
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: gonna tell all my friends, right, but a little part

897
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: of me is kind of excited to get to play

898
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: those games again. Yeah, it's gonna be interesting. It's can

899
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 1: be very interesting. Okay, so out of the way and

900
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: go Green Michigan State University. Uh, part what about what

901
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: about this? Do you view is it easy when you

902
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: come up to the Midwest, when you go up to

903
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: Kansas or Nebraska or Illinois, do you view that as

904
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,479
Speaker 1: either this is a piece of cake compared to back home,

905
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: or do you go up there knowing this is gonna

906
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: be a big challenge, just a different kind of thing.

907
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: And tell me that for you, for you individually, been also,

908
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: I'd be curious if you have a sense of like

909
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: what the general sense is from your friends or other

910
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: people you know in the South when they come up,

911
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: how do they view this? Um. I think that aspects

912
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: of the Midwest are a little easier, and I think

913
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: a lot of times that's uh just related to deer densities.

914
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: Uh And because of where we live, we don't have

915
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: a hot deered density. Now parts of the state are

916
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: different than that. But outside of that, man white tail

917
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: or white tail, I don't think that like a Michigan

918
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: buck is any smarter than you know, put them on

919
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: the same plane, right, like a five year old Michigan

920
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 1: buck in a five year old Iowa buck. They're probably

921
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: both really keen because God made them that way, right,

922
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: they are made to be survivors. So um, you know,

923
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 1: outside of that, you're gonna have a little bit of

924
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: regionality where you have deer that have you know, had

925
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: arrows fly past their head so they're looking up more

926
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: than out, you know, stuff like that. But another thing

927
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: that I find easier about the Midwest is that the

928
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 1: deer are larger animals, so they lay down more sign uh.

929
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: Rubs in particular, and trails are extremely difficult to find

930
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: where we live because the deer just don't weigh a

931
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: lot And I think that makes a difference as far

932
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: as how much like what kind of pronounced trails you

933
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: can see on the ground, and you compare that with

934
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: here's another thing we run into a lot um. You

935
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: can find a really great trail in the woods, and

936
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: there's a really good chance that it's hawks where we live.

937
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: So you and don't have that in the Midwest, which

938
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: is actually really nice. You know. I don't get me wrong,

939
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: I love to shoot them and they're great eating. But

940
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: uh and I put the g on the into that

941
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: for you, Mark, But because you don't uh uh, you know,

942
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: you go up there and you find a good trail

943
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, hot dog, you know, this is dear,

944
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: this is cool. But at the same time, man, it's uh,

945
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's aspects of it that are more difficult.

946
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: It's way colder where y'all are at, you know, like

947
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: I ain't doing you know two ft about that, So

948
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: I think that, uh, it's it's just fun to go

949
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 1: see the differences. Well what do you yeah for me personally?

950
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: You know, like I like um, I like to they're

951
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: like you said, there's a challenge in late in leaving

952
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: home and going somewhere else and learning these new plant types.

953
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:56,240
Speaker 1: And uh also even like the cultural dynamics that happened

954
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: in the in within hunters. You know, like if you're

955
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: hunting public land and your um, you know, there is

956
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: some sort of aspect in the hunt of um other

957
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 1: hunters affecting your hunt. So I don't want to say

958
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: like you against other hunters necessarily, but like you have

959
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 1: to understand what they're doing, what they like to do,

960
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: you know. I mean there's there's uh different cultures. You know,

961
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: there's different times of different seasons where like, um, if

962
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: if a state has like a three day gun season,

963
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: there's a chance that you don't want to be there

964
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: during those three days, you know, because it's gonna be

965
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: just a madhouse. But for us in Texas, we've got

966
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: a two month rifle season, and UM, you know, basically

967
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: after opening weekend, it's about the same amount of deer

968
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,919
Speaker 1: gun pressure from the until January, you know, And so

969
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: UM knowing that, uh doesn't it doesn't you know, hunt

970
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: in Texas doesn't affect my gun season, doesn't affect my

971
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,479
Speaker 1: plans really, and so UM there are things like that

972
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: that I do like as a challenge when you go

973
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 1: out of state, UM, that you have to kind of

974
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: uh observe and figure out UM. And you know, I

975
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: wouldn't say that the Midwest necessarily hunts UM necessarily easier UM.

976
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: But but like Casey mentioned, with the sign being easier

977
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: to see more pronounced, I think that UM hunting around

978
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: here when you are able to to, you know, find

979
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: sign and make your way UM and spend time out

980
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: here doing that than when you go to the Midwest

981
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 1: and these dear way you know, two and twenty two

982
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: or fifty pounds, they're they're just making better sign and

983
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: it makes things so much more easy. Another thing, lastly,

984
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: I would say, is UM A lot of the country

985
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: up in the Midwest A lot of times UM I

986
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: think lends itself to bow hunting UH a little bit

987
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: better because um, you've got less kind of big woods

988
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: type atmosphere. I guess, for lack of a better word, we,

989
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: like Casey mentioned, we have all these floodplains and stuff,

990
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: and it's just so hard to get within thirty yards

991
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,439
Speaker 1: of a buck a lot of times, and or even

992
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: a deer period, and so UM, I think a lot

993
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 1: of times you've got these little shelter belts, You've got uh,

994
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 1: these little sloughs where the farmer cutting, you know, till,

995
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 1: and so you've got these small areas that deer kind

996
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,439
Speaker 1: of automatically just funneling through as they move through cover.

997
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: That kind of helps. So I wouldn't I don't want

998
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 1: people to think that, uh, we sit here and crack

999
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 1: on people in the Midwest for all the time for

1000
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: having hunters between the lines between the yeah, I will

1001
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: say this, and the kind of uh kind of piggyback

1002
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: on the sign thing that Tyler is talking about. One

1003
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: of the things that can be difficult for us is

1004
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 1: that we show up and say Iowa, which is I mean,

1005
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: I think you drew this year, right, so, like you know,

1006
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: and you hunted. Therefore, sometimes the sign can be overwhelming

1007
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: because we're like we are like, oh man, a scrape.

1008
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: This is awesome where we live and you go up there,

1009
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: there's a scrape every teen yards on pinsline, you know,

1010
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: And you have to interpret that stuff and and actually

1011
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: uh make moves to understand that, Hey, I need to

1012
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: push you in further, I need to go to a

1013
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: different area. Or how fresh is fresh? Yes, exactly, yes,

1014
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: and is this is this getting laid down at night

1015
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: versus the daytime, and all these things, these factors that

1016
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: you have to play into. So I do think that

1017
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: there are even some specific challenges in what people think

1018
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: of is the happy hunting ground. You bring up something

1019
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 1: I want to get into, which was if there were

1020
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,280
Speaker 1: and you kind of alluded to a couple there, I'd

1021
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: love to hear you dive into a little more. What

1022
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:53,439
Speaker 1: I'm wondering is if there are certain general, general things

1023
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: that you are, general modes that you have to switch

1024
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: from when going from the South up to one of

1025
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: these other states in the north of the Midwest. Like

1026
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: I know, when I go from Michigan to Iowa, I'm

1027
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: going from a much higher hunting pressure state, too much

1028
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: lower hunting pressure state. So I always find myself being

1029
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: really paranoid about something in Iowa and then having to

1030
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,240
Speaker 1: remind myself, okay, hold on, chillout. These dear act differently

1031
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: back home. You can get away with this thing or

1032
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: that thing. So I'm constantly needing to like put on

1033
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: a different hat when I'm in a certain place or

1034
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: when I'm going on like a Western white tail hunt,

1035
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: I gotta put on my Western white tail hunt glasses

1036
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: and look at things differently because there's just things that

1037
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: are different. Dear will act differently, or they'll react to

1038
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: things differently or whatever. So my my overarching question then

1039
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: is for someone coming from the south doing a traveling

1040
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 1: hunt up to Illinois or Kansas or Iowa, Ohio or whatever,

1041
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: or Michigan, have there been any other things like what

1042
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: you just described that are general rules, like hey, you

1043
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: gotta look at sign different or hey, you need to

1044
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: realize this. Is there anything else that can be helpful

1045
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: for people doing that first from south to north trip

1046
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: that they really need to keep in mind and do

1047
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: differently than back home. Outside of bringing all your clothes,

1048
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 1: you have to do that. But I think that uh,

1049
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 1: I would say vocalizations are a huge thing for me,

1050
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: and I understand that I haven't hunted all the state trick,

1051
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: so I don't know anything really about Michigan or you know,

1052
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: Minnesota or whatever, but like in some of the Midwestern

1053
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: states that I've been to, uh, deer vocalizations are a

1054
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: big thing and it's a thing that you can use.

1055
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 1: Whereas in Texas, man rattling works sometimes and then grunts

1056
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: and snort weys is I have had way more bad

1057
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: experiences than good, you know, so I would say kind of,

1058
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: uh up front, that's kind of the thing that I

1059
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: see for sure. I think you've got something that you

1060
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: thought of right away to the first thing I thought

1061
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 1: of was that if you ever hear anybody use over

1062
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: arching mark, it's because of you. Just so you know,

1063
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. I hear people say all the time,

1064
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: like Dave that they got that mark Canyon. No, no doubt.

1065
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: I got a few of those things. I guess. Yeah,

1066
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: he made a shirt like that one time. Didn't you

1067
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: like all the sayings from the podcast? Yeah, yeah, we did.

1068
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: I think I think that that being said was the

1069
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: big one. Yeah, yeah, that's right. It's funny, dude. Uh No,

1070
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: I mean to me, like, uh, that's definitely one of them.

1071
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: Is like getting away with more calling and stuff like that. Um,

1072
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 1: I would probably say that, like if I'm leaving uh

1073
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:30,760
Speaker 1: and heading north. Um. Some of the things I'm thinking

1074
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: about are that there is a much more defined like

1075
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:39,479
Speaker 1: casey A lived too earlier. UM, Like dates matter, and

1076
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: so for us, like a couple of years ago, we

1077
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,280
Speaker 1: had a really big buck on public here in Texas

1078
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: that we got pictures of on February, I believe, and

1079
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: he's like fixing a breed of though no doubt. I

1080
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 1: mean she's standing like it's about to happen and so um,

1081
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: and that's not like something that happens here. I mean,

1082
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: it's not like we don't have a rut in February.

1083
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 1: It's not Alabama or something like that. You know, it's

1084
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: not a weird rut place. But the thing is we're

1085
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: just so we're just such moderate temperate weather that um,

1086
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: you know, there's such a long window of opportunity, and

1087
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: there's yearlings that are coming in I guess in February

1088
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: at some point, you know, and that that happening. So

1089
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: like when I go up to the Midwest, I think,

1090
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: man um it kind of like, for for instance, when

1091
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: I went to Iowa, we went in late October because

1092
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: we saw some weather patterns coming in in twenty nineteen,

1093
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: and it's snowed twice while we're on that trip. Um,

1094
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: it was real slow for much of that trip, like

1095
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: a seven or eight day trip, and when the snow

1096
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: came in and we just saw just bust loose, you know.

1097
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: But like that was also um October twenty nine or

1098
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: something like that. So, um, you know, I think that, uh,

1099
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: those dates are a lot more a lot more important.

1100
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: I guess, really what when it comes to rut action

1101
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: and stuff like that here in Texas at East, UM,

1102
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: what determines that more than anything is just when the

1103
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: heat stops, you know, and and the deer are comfortable

1104
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: running around more than anything. I feel like a lot

1105
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: of times, I think something that we've kind of keyed

1106
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: on in the last year really is understanding the pre

1107
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: rut phase that happens in the Midwest, because you killed

1108
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: a deer on that specific uh tactic in October last

1109
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: year in Illinois, whereas here where we live, and I'm

1110
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: I don't mean to say that it doesn't happen, but

1111
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: I just have not learned enough to understand, uh that

1112
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: there's anything in front of like a Texas rut outside

1113
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: of just deer doing complete pre rut stuff. I might

1114
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: be making sense, but like, for instance, we saw a

1115
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: cold front coming and you went to Illinois and killed

1116
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: a deer over a scrape on October twenty three, like

1117
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,479
Speaker 1: within the first two hours of hunting, like we knew

1118
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: it was gonna happen. And in Texas, UM, you knew.

1119
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: I think you knew that was gonna happen. Did you

1120
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,959
Speaker 1: really feel like that was gonna Like? I'm curious though, because,

1121
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: let me tell you, UH plays the ultimate always I'm optimistic.

1122
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: So the culfront actually hit here before it hits uh

1123
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: where Tyler was because I'd stay here and work. Tyler

1124
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: went up. I had a a nine month old at

1125
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: the time, so actually I was babysitting. I wasn't work

1126
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: and so I had I had the kids, so I

1127
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: couldn't go. Tyler went up there in the cold front

1128
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: here and I called him at about twelve fiars, like, dude,

1129
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: it's happening. You're gonna kill a giant. You know. We

1130
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: love to hype like that. You know, it's fun. I

1131
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: wasn't so sure. Tyler is a he's a realist, which

1132
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 1: is probably a good place to be. But yeah, you're aptimistic.

1133
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: I don't want to give you. I don't want to

1134
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: I'm learning to be yeah. Right, But so I I

1135
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: felt really good about it. And it was all about

1136
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: truck camera data, right. We had um actually gone up

1137
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: there in the summer and scouted some and UH found

1138
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: um what we would refer to as a hubscrape like

1139
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: a place that is perennial and even using the summertime,

1140
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: like the looking branches getting hit, right, So we we

1141
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 1: knew it was a great place to hang a camera.

1142
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 1: Hung a camera there fallow the trail camera data and

1143
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 1: kind of tracked you know, what bucks were around, and

1144
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,439
Speaker 1: you know, as they moved closer to you know, having

1145
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: day activity. That's kind of when we knew it was

1146
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: time to get going. And then you made the move

1147
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 1: to go, right, Yeah, I mean one thing that was

1148
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: that I liked a lot is that the cold front

1149
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 1: came in during the day, so, uh, it gave me

1150
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: some time to or it gave me the opportunity to

1151
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 1: walk in in daylight for the afternoon hunt, as opposed

1152
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: to walking in in the dark and trying to figure

1153
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 1: out which tree to hang in. And you chose and

1154
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 1: you you got there though ahead of that, right, I mean,

1155
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 1: if I remember you, you just drove around that morning

1156
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 1: and and shows not to hunt so as not to

1157
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: blindly busting right exactly. Yeah, I figured I would just

1158
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: look kind of uh finding a you know plan B

1159
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 1: as well, and case I went in there and messed

1160
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: it up or something. But like, um, looking for I

1161
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 1: was just looking for a couple of things I was

1162
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: looking for. I was driving around, is I was marking

1163
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 1: um different types of eggs, so bean, corn, beans, corn, uh,

1164
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: and wheat, and that was what was in that area.

1165
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 1: And I was just marking that to know, UM, to

1166
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: see what deer were feeding in what type of agriculture

1167
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: and UM. I think at the time I was planning

1168
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 1: on if I had to hunt somewhere else hunting beans

1169
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: as opposed to corn um at the time because the

1170
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: corn hadn't been cut or something like that maybe. But yeah,

1171
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 1: I just drove around because I was like, man, the

1172
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: coul friends coming in about you know, one pm, I

1173
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: think that day, so it'd be better for me to

1174
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 1: go in with a good wind for one, UM, for

1175
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: my access and everything, even for hunting the scrape obviously,

1176
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,439
Speaker 1: but um and then also that wind is noise cover

1177
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: and stuff like that too. So I'm you know, like

1178
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,479
Speaker 1: we I was being aggressive but at the same time

1179
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 1: playing just playing a little bit concerned pervative, so that um,

1180
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: you know, I it just was it was working to

1181
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 1: where like this was this should work, you know, like

1182
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 1: all the variables line up if we just do it

1183
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: right here. So let's just be patient and wait when

1184
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: we call that something knowledgeably aggressive, knowledgeably that's what we've

1185
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 1: been saying lately at least. Yeah, so you know, and

1186
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: you probably know this two mark and you can probably

1187
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 1: speak to it some. But like when you go on

1188
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 1: these out of state trips, you you have a set

1189
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 1: schedule and it's a lot different of a mentality than

1190
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: being you know, near your home turf and having a

1191
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 1: season long you know, so you have kind of a

1192
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: internal ticker that's always going off and telling you, hey,

1193
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: three days, hey, two and a half hunts, you know,

1194
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 1: three more sets, whatever it might be. So you have

1195
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: to um meteor that you have to you the way

1196
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 1: we approach things, uh. And I hate to say we

1197
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: because we're individuals, but you know, are hunting styles fit

1198
01:02:55,240 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 1: together really nicely. But um we uh, we approach things

1199
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: with knowledgeable aggression. So like we make the most aggressive

1200
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: move that we can make make sense in our heads,

1201
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: you know, Uh, we hardly ever just bust off in

1202
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: there and just see what happens, you know what I mean.

1203
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:14,479
Speaker 1: It's just not the way, not the way we do things.

1204
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 1: You know, we don't do a lot of observation sits

1205
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: you know, but like if the wind is completely wrong,

1206
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna find somewhere else to hunt because we might

1207
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 1: be able to kill something in a different spot. Or

1208
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: if the wind is a just off wind, we can't

1209
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: really get where we want to be. We're gonna as

1210
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: close as we can without you know, bumping the deer

1211
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 1: that way. Like just entire situation, right, You just decided

1212
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: to drive around because you knew you could gather intel

1213
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 1: that would help you maybe the next day. But you

1214
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 1: knew that evening was going to be an A plus sit.

1215
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: So there's no reason to go take a C minus

1216
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 1: sit in the morning when you know you're gonna have

1217
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 1: a plus in the evening in the same location. I

1218
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 1: think it's important also to note that, like when we

1219
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 1: go out of state a lot of times, we don't

1220
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: have a target deer most of the time. So you know,

1221
01:03:58,000 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: if you had a target deer in mind, you'd want

1222
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 1: to be a lot more conservative than what we're talking

1223
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 1: about probably right now, you know, And I think you

1224
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: know that as well as anybody because you've hunted some

1225
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 1: definitely lots of targets over the years, you know, which

1226
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 1: is cool. And I'm sure you're also a little bit

1227
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: irritated at the time. There's pros and cons. Yeah. Um

1228
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 1: so that Illinois hunt that was public land, right, yes, sir.

1229
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 1: So My question then is how how did hunting pressure

1230
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 1: factor into this at all? Like? Why why was that

1231
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 1: huge eight pointer in there? And there was another nice

1232
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: buck I think that came in store at the same

1233
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 1: time when you had that buck in underneath you and

1234
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 1: there was some other little buck that came and hit

1235
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 1: that scrape and you had trail camera videos of this

1236
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 1: big wide buck. Why was this spot such a honey hoole?

1237
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: Why weren't there other people and they're doing the same

1238
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 1: Darren thing you were trying to do. I can make

1239
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: some hypothesis as to why. I don't know for sure

1240
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 1: because this is the first year we hunted that place.

1241
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 1: Um we I think for one, um Casey is built

1242
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 1: like a hog a little bit, and so uh it's

1243
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 1: a clarified um. He does not mind going through brush

1244
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 1: and just getting ticks on him and stuff like that,

1245
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 1: you know, like he just he'll just bust through anything,

1246
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 1: you know, So you just at front and then just

1247
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 1: thall behind. That's it. And so he just eats spiderwebs

1248
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 1: and stuff and Uh he found. Yes, yeah, you do,

1249
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 1: Uh for sure. Um, he's awesome, awesome. But anyway, we

1250
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: we're going through kind of just making this pass, you know,

1251
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 1: on this property and kind of really skirting a big

1252
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 1: agg field that ended up being a cut wheat field

1253
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 1: in the summer, so it was kind of like not

1254
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 1: a whole lot of benefit at the time, but we

1255
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 1: were in there, so we went, we're finding some rubs

1256
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 1: and stuff. Well he finds his scrape, and um, we

1257
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 1: realized that it's being it's being used, you know. And

1258
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 1: I think that this scrape was in a spot that

1259
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 1: you know, Casey found because he's a fullback, you know,

1260
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 1: like and dudes just don't want to go busting through

1261
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: brush and that kind of thing. So I think that

1262
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 1: there's an aspect that this scrape hadn't really been found

1263
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 1: by anybody yet. Um. And it's also set in kind

1264
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 1: of a um I don't know, Uh, the spot wasn't

1265
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 1: like when you look at maps of this place, Um,

1266
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 1: it's a lot of acreage, and you know, I don't

1267
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 1: think that you would pick this spot out of all

1268
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 1: the spots that you you would find on this you know,

1269
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 1: because it's just not it's mostly agg fields. Um, it's

1270
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 1: kind of an out of the way, um little strip

1271
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: in between agg fields. And you know it's far enough

1272
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 1: in as well. Um, you know it was there's a

1273
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 1: little bit of elevation, at least for us, maybe not

1274
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 1: for other people, but um, you're kind of walking up

1275
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 1: and down a little bit and kind of some ridge

1276
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 1: ridges and hills and stuff. And it's about six it's

1277
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 1: like six hundred fifty yards I think is when I

1278
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 1: measured at straight line, you know, so it's getting close

1279
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: to that half mile distance. Um. And for a lot

1280
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 1: of guy is man when you're talking about you know,

1281
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 1: early season kind of warm, I don't think they're wanting

1282
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 1: to walk in too far and get after it too

1283
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 1: hard until the run a lot of times. So I

1284
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 1: don't know that maybe those are some of the factors

1285
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 1: that led to nobody having discovered this. Yet there's something

1286
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 1: else that I know you've mentioned the past, um, is

1287
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:20,479
Speaker 1: that you had the flexibility to actually hit up there

1288
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 1: and do this hunt on a weekday, whereas especially in October,

1289
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 1: you know, guys are using their rutcation dates in November.

1290
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 1: The only opportunity they have to really go in October

1291
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 1: is on weekends. You shot the steer on a Friday, Thursday, Thursday.

1292
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 1: I shot him on Thursday, and I drove around the

1293
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 1: next day on Friday because I had a buddy that

1294
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 1: was up there hunting with me, and um, I was

1295
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 1: just driving looking fields for him, you know. And there

1296
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 1: was a lot more people Friday afternoon than there was,

1297
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, when I hunted on Thursday. So definitely it

1298
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 1: was a difference. You know. That's a great point. So

1299
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 1: what about another example for you? For you, Casey, you

1300
01:07:57,080 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 1: were hunting public lamb buck and I think it was Kansas.

1301
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 1: Is that where you killed your big big buck last year?

1302
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 1: Is that question? Is it? Maybe it's purposeful. He didn't

1303
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 1: label it, so if you don't want to tell, you

1304
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 1: don't have to. It was Kansas. It was in Kansas.

1305
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 1: It looked like a Kansas type of hunt. Uh. So

1306
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 1: you were you were hiking in there and you were

1307
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 1: saying that your head into this spot that looked good

1308
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 1: or something, and then you'd pass some ladder stands on

1309
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:25,759
Speaker 1: your way in and the sign was actually getting worse.

1310
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:28,639
Speaker 1: But for some reason you picked up this spot, uh,

1311
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 1: and you end up having this great, big, old, tight,

1312
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 1: tall ten point giant come in YadA, YadA YadA and

1313
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 1: killed him. Awesome. Why was he in there? Why weren't

1314
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 1: other hunters in that spot mucking that thing up? Why

1315
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:42,639
Speaker 1: did that work out from a hunting pressure, that's the standpoint.

1316
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 1: That's that's a good question. I don't say that sarcastically

1317
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 1: as I mean that. Uh, you know, and it sounds

1318
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 1: like you watched that video, so thanks for watching, man,

1319
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 1: But that was only on that whole hunt, you know. So, Um,

1320
01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 1: I'd see a possum about four thirty and then of

1321
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 1: like giving in it, you know. So it's tough, and

1322
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 1: I was the whole time. I'm Mr Optimist is even

1323
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 1: second guessing himself, you know, like it's just right deal.

1324
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:12,639
Speaker 1: But I would tell you, um the reason. Uh and

1325
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 1: and this is counterintuitive to the advice I would give

1326
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 1: on a normal basis, So I guess you have to

1327
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,720
Speaker 1: kind of interpret this how you will. But um, I

1328
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:25,720
Speaker 1: looked at the map and got a broader picture, and

1329
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:28,759
Speaker 1: I knew by the way, dear act in that area

1330
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 1: is you know, kind of Western Midwest stuff. Is that? Um?

1331
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 1: You know, food sources are everything because it's arid, right,

1332
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 1: so when you're wheat, they live and die by it.

1333
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 1: Out there, right, So I knew being close to that

1334
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 1: winter wheat is going to be more important because I

1335
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 1: killed that dear on November twenty three, okay, which is

1336
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:52,640
Speaker 1: still definitely within the month of November. So deer or

1337
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:56,679
Speaker 1: rutton and even on beyond that, you know, I think that, um, yeah,

1338
01:09:56,800 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 1: rut dates matter, but um if bucks or anything like people,

1339
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 1: they have things on their mind a lot of times,

1340
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 1: you know, so uh, But at the same time, I

1341
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 1: had to interpret the situation. Uh what matters more this

1342
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 1: sign that I'm seeing or that food source that's over there,

1343
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 1: And I think that what was going on is that, um,

1344
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 1: that buck was cruising for late Estrus does, and all

1345
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 1: the sign I was seeing on the way in was

1346
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 1: rutt sign. And that's all well and good if it's

1347
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 1: November eight and they're just in their raging, But that

1348
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 1: deer is cruising for for late November does, and those

1349
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 1: does are by all means going to that winter wheat

1350
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:41,600
Speaker 1: at that point, that is where they're gonna live. You know,

1351
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 1: they're gonna go over there and eat. Now. I didn't

1352
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 1: see any that evening, but I couldn't see all the

1353
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 1: you know, I'm on public and you just can't see

1354
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 1: all the egg field, right, but I think that's what

1355
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 1: he was doing. I think that he was cruising up

1356
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 1: and down the thicker habitat um waiting or trying to

1357
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 1: smell a late estres dough and uh, in that moment,

1358
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 1: I made a decision that helps me inevitably kill that buck.

1359
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 1: Was it the right decision ten times out of out

1360
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 1: of ten? Maybe not? But um, it did work out

1361
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:19,760
Speaker 1: that time. You know. I think that it's funny. Um,

1362
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 1: You hear a lot of people talk about making good

1363
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 1: choices and making right decisions, and even those guys are

1364
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 1: only making the right choice two percent of the time,

1365
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 1: you know, and most of us are it will do

1366
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 1: will do good to you know bad? You know barely,

1367
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 1: you know, the tenth of a percent or whatever it

1368
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 1: might be. You know. So, But in that scenario, I

1369
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 1: think what really helped was to instead of zoom in

1370
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:45,720
Speaker 1: and try to find specific trails, which I did that

1371
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 1: as well. I found a that if you watch that

1372
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 1: video where the deer ends up jumping the fence onto

1373
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 1: private Um, all right, that was the trail that I

1374
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 1: had seen on the map and decided that would be

1375
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 1: a good place to set up because it was kind

1376
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 1: of in a corner of a winter wheat field. Um,

1377
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 1: but you know, on the broader picture, it was the

1378
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 1: idea of where was the best food within a couple

1379
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 1: of square miles and that's where it was. So h yeah,

1380
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:15,639
Speaker 1: I think that was kind of what led to that deal.

1381
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 1: As a heck of a buck. That certainly was ever

1382
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 1: And uh I love it because uh I don't have

1383
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 1: a lot of mounts. That's that's actually the first year

1384
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 1: i've ever its shoulder mounted. And M really happy with it.

1385
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:30,640
Speaker 1: You know, it's just beautiful to be able to have

1386
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:32,760
Speaker 1: something like that to hang in your house. And I've

1387
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 1: got a year and a half old and We're sitting

1388
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:37,639
Speaker 1: the recliner and we'll be rocking or whatever and he'll

1389
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 1: point up and go, d you know, No, it's just

1390
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:42,679
Speaker 1: the coolest thing. You know. I know you're a fellow,

1391
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,639
Speaker 1: you kind of understand. Man, It's it's awesome. Yes, that's

1392
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 1: the best. Uh So I want to I'm gonna pose something,

1393
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 1: and I want to make sure you guys both know

1394
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 1: this is a safe space, all right. You're in the

1395
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:59,719
Speaker 1: trust tree, and and any answers to these questions cannot

1396
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 1: this cannot be used against you. Okay, So whatever you're

1397
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:04,680
Speaker 1: about to tell me cannot be used against you or

1398
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 1: held against you anyway. All right, you both understand, Yes, sir,

1399
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 1: we're with you, so we'll give I'm gonna throw the

1400
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 1: fullback under the bus first, Oksey, you're up first. All right,

1401
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:22,679
Speaker 1: let's go big. If there was one thing that Tyler

1402
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 1: could do to be a better deer hunter, Like if

1403
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 1: you could change one thing, like right now, tell me

1404
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 1: you gotta do this different, you gotta do this better,

1405
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:32,719
Speaker 1: you gotta fix this thing you keep screwing up. What's

1406
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 1: that one thing it would be that you would tell Tyler?

1407
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 1: Um you sure this is a trust and be detailed detailed? Yeah, man,

1408
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 1: you might have should have prefaced me a little bit

1409
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:48,720
Speaker 1: on this because we might have already ironed all this out.

1410
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 1: You know, we've been hunting together like four or five years.

1411
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:57,879
Speaker 1: So um no, but I can think about it. Um so. Uh.

1412
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 1: Tyler is a very pensive person. He spends a lot

1413
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 1: of time thinking about things. Uh, and this is why

1414
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 1: we hunt together. Well, I don't. I I am a

1415
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:10,280
Speaker 1: go with your gut, make observed A I process things

1416
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:13,320
Speaker 1: very fast. That's not always a good thing though. Um.

1417
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:14,840
Speaker 1: But this is about Tyler. It's not about me right

1418
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 1: about my faults. So Tyler sometimes will get a little

1419
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 1: bogged down in a decision when uh, and this isn't

1420
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:28,440
Speaker 1: often right, but that that is something that can affect

1421
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:31,839
Speaker 1: his hunt. And I think you probably agree, Um, it's

1422
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 1: it's in Um. Sometimes it's time to just be an

1423
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:40,599
Speaker 1: Indian and make some choices and go after it. Which

1424
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 1: it sounds very cliche, but there there are times like that,

1425
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 1: like you just have to live and buy, live and

1426
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 1: die by the situation, you know. And I would say that, Um,

1427
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 1: Tyler has worked on that and is is really good

1428
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 1: at it now, but that's still something that you you

1429
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:58,560
Speaker 1: struggle with. He's she's not in his head. He's just

1430
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 1: trying to think about something mean to say me. Alright, yeah,

1431
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 1: so now let's let's flip it around. How do you

1432
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 1: feel about the description. I think it's hilarious because the

1433
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 1: first thing that the first thing I was thinking is

1434
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 1: Casey settles sometimes with a spot and it worked out

1435
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,600
Speaker 1: in Kansas, you know what I mean? But like, um,

1436
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:21,680
Speaker 1: I will stand So I actually killed a buck. I

1437
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 1: haven't released the video yet, but um, I killed a

1438
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 1: buck on public and Kansas as well this past year

1439
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 1: and I, UM, I walked past a bunch of good

1440
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 1: sign and then walked back to it. And maybe I

1441
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 1: learned something from Casey's hunt. I don't know because I

1442
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 1: killed this year late late and um in the late season. Yeah,

1443
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 1: and so UM, I walked past this spot and got

1444
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:47,800
Speaker 1: in there and started thinking. And the wind wasn't like

1445
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 1: I wanted it, and like so many things, you know,

1446
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:53,640
Speaker 1: just analyzing everything, and I'm I'm thinking, and like if

1447
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:55,640
Speaker 1: a camera dude was with me at the time, he

1448
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 1: would have been thinking I was crazy. You know, I'm

1449
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 1: just sitting there staring at the ground pretty much thinking. Know. Yes,

1450
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 1: I know your podcast a lot, so uh, you know

1451
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:10,240
Speaker 1: we've been listeners, are you you for a long time?

1452
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 1: You know you've you've had a podcast for a long time,

1453
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 1: and you you have a great product, um, And we've

1454
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 1: kind of drawn some similarities in your personality and Tyler personalities.

1455
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:22,640
Speaker 1: You are a lot of lots of things. UM. So

1456
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 1: it sounds like a bunch of some good stuff. Tyler.

1457
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 1: I really like what you're describing here. Yeah, you think

1458
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:35,599
Speaker 1: Casey's terrible? Were going to ask him the same questions, so, UM,

1459
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:38,800
Speaker 1: I would say, like you know me, I'm sitting there thinking,

1460
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 1: thinking thing and I finally go back to the better

1461
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 1: sign that I saw found. I knew that looking on

1462
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 1: on the map that um there was a creek crossing

1463
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 1: there or whatever. So I put all this stuff together

1464
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 1: and think about it, and a lot of times I'll

1465
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 1: get to the spot and I'll spend another twenty minutes

1466
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 1: thinking about which tree I need to be in, you know,

1467
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 1: And Casey's just like he just let's do that, you know.

1468
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:03,439
Speaker 1: And it's and like he said, like, I think that

1469
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 1: that balances me out pretty well when we're hunting together. Um,

1470
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 1: you know, both of those characteristics. So like, it was

1471
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:11,800
Speaker 1: just hilarious because the first thing I thought before he

1472
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:15,879
Speaker 1: ever answered was that sometimes he is just like, oh, yeah,

1473
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:20,400
Speaker 1: this is gonna work. We're gonna kill you, which is

1474
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 1: funny because um, uh, I feel like, uh, Tyler is

1475
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 1: never the guy who would like leave home without his bow.

1476
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 1: And that is a dent. Was it two years ago?

1477
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:37,799
Speaker 1: I don't remember. One year I was glassing a place.

1478
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 1: We were in separate areas, and uh, I got out.

1479
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:42,560
Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna make a stalk on do

1480
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 1: your decided not to got back in the truck put

1481
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 1: it reversed and then saw my bow in the reverse camera.

1482
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:48,679
Speaker 1: I was about to run it over right. And that's

1483
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:52,720
Speaker 1: just Tyler would never be moving fast enough for that

1484
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:56,839
Speaker 1: to happen, you know. That's and that's that's the difference

1485
01:17:56,840 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 1: of us. And I think that honestly, man, Like, Um,

1486
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 1: there is a very much a a loner mentality or

1487
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 1: a a lifestyle or mantra that people have in white

1488
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:13,840
Speaker 1: tail hunting specifically. Um, And I think that not that

1489
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:17,639
Speaker 1: some people don't function will and I'm not criticizing them,

1490
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 1: but I don't want to understate the importance that I

1491
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:26,720
Speaker 1: feel having a quality hunting partner, not just buddy, but

1492
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:29,840
Speaker 1: just somebody that you really can rely on and that

1493
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 1: kind of helps you make better decisions and helps you

1494
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 1: go on hunts, and just somebody to really deep dive

1495
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:39,599
Speaker 1: in the thought process with, you know. Like that's just

1496
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:42,759
Speaker 1: it's been valuable for Tyler and Eyes is like we've

1497
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:45,719
Speaker 1: you know, become closer and better friends and hunting partners

1498
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 1: that we can just bounce these ideas off of each other.

1499
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 1: And UM, I can't tell you how many times I

1500
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 1: was like, oh, man, look at the spot on the map.

1501
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:55,200
Speaker 1: You know, at like eleven PM or whatever one lad

1502
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 1: been and Tyler was like, yeah, but what about your

1503
01:18:57,200 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 1: Like how are you gonna access it? And I'm like, oh,

1504
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah, there's like really hardly any way to

1505
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:05,479
Speaker 1: get there, you know, but uh yeah, I really see

1506
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:07,639
Speaker 1: a lot of value in that for sure. Yeah. Yeah,

1507
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 1: So I gotta be fair. Uh and and give you

1508
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 1: a chance to send a blow my way. You've heard

1509
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:17,599
Speaker 1: the wire Dump podcast over the years. You you've maybe

1510
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:19,680
Speaker 1: heard me discuss what I do and how I do

1511
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 1: things enough times that something has stood out to you

1512
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 1: where he said, mark you want Have you ever screamed

1513
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 1: at the radio and said just stop doing that or

1514
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 1: do this? Is there anything that you need to get

1515
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 1: off your chest? Now? This is your chance we both

1516
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 1: get to go right. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah you can

1517
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:40,680
Speaker 1: both if there's that many. Man, you seem like a

1518
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:43,599
Speaker 1: sand guy, and I don't want to like just you know,

1519
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 1: teach your horn for you anything, but um I would

1520
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 1: say I have a funny one and then actually a

1521
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 1: hunting one as well. Uh if it's safe space, right,

1522
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:57,559
Speaker 1: safe space? Yes, I think as Texans when you say

1523
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 1: balance and challenge or egg, I gotta tell you the

1524
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 1: story you might know this guy. Uh hes he works

1525
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 1: with you. Yeah, so, uh, Garrett Long, Garrett Long. We

1526
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:17,800
Speaker 1: were about to eat supper with him one time and

1527
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 1: he was talking about egg fields and I literally had

1528
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 1: no idea what he's talking about. It's you know, egg

1529
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 1: like with a but I mean I had the blankets

1530
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 1: look at my face and Tyler. Tyler saw me and

1531
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 1: had to tell me he's talking about, you know, like agriculture.

1532
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 1: But do we really like that? I'll over emphasized it

1533
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 1: for sure. Field hag field. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, that's good.

1534
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:45,439
Speaker 1: And I don't keep working on that and you need

1535
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 1: to beat you ye, for sure. But it's just funny

1536
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:52,560
Speaker 1: as a Southern like it sticks out for sure. But

1537
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 1: and I think you've addressed this too, man, and I

1538
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 1: appreciate that. But I think that, um, you've struggled with

1539
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 1: pre shot buck fever. So yeah, and I think and

1540
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:05,679
Speaker 1: I don't know because I haven't hunted with you, um,

1541
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:07,760
Speaker 1: but I think that you've kind of addressed that. But

1542
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 1: I think you'd recognize that that's a problem you've had two,

1543
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah? Definitely definitely something I struggled with

1544
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:16,559
Speaker 1: and had my moments and work in progress still right,

1545
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:19,360
Speaker 1: I mean always. I mean it's cool to get excited, man,

1546
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:21,639
Speaker 1: you know, like that's not It's not a bad thing

1547
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 1: by any means, you know, but uh, it just you

1548
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 1: gotta make sure it doesn't impede um you in your goal.

1549
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:35,640
Speaker 1: You know, absolutely absolutely what's next? Uh if I had to,

1550
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:37,760
Speaker 1: if I do I have to say one? You know

1551
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:39,760
Speaker 1: you don't have to, but if something, if something came

1552
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:41,800
Speaker 1: to mind, you couldn't time to throw me into the

1553
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 1: display to Actually you're the only way to meeting Yeah,

1554
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:48,960
Speaker 1: I was. I was just wondering if I had to

1555
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 1: say one, because there's a lot of them. You can

1556
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 1: you can, you can set it out, or we can

1557
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 1: we can just move on. Yeah, let's let's move on. Man.

1558
01:21:56,320 --> 01:22:00,960
Speaker 1: I I thank you. Okay, Casey's gonna here we go. Uh,

1559
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 1: I would say, uh kind of in the same boat

1560
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:06,519
Speaker 1: as me. Sometimes what Casey thought about me, at least

1561
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:09,840
Speaker 1: as the analysis print paralysis, UM, I thought, you know,

1562
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 1: just sometimes just like you know, you obviously this stuff

1563
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 1: is such a passion for you, man, and and you've

1564
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 1: been doing it for so long. You just you know,

1565
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 1: you want to make big decisions and make them right.

1566
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:24,599
Speaker 1: And uh, sometimes uh, that's a tough thing to do, man,

1567
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 1: because there's so many variables and you have time. It's

1568
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 1: not like, you know, like in a football game, you

1569
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:31,000
Speaker 1: just kind of like either you throw it or you don't,

1570
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 1: and it's either picked off or it gets caught for

1571
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 1: touchdown ors and in complete, you know. So it's a

1572
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 1: little different with deer hunting. You you make most of

1573
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 1: the time until the bucks right in front of you.

1574
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 1: You're making decisions that you kind of have some time

1575
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:44,400
Speaker 1: to make, you know. I wonder if it would be

1576
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:48,720
Speaker 1: this is this is the only a weird nerd like

1577
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:50,680
Speaker 1: me would ever think of this. But I wonder if

1578
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:55,280
Speaker 1: you put like a self imposed time restriction on your decisions.

1579
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 1: So it's like every time I got to spotting, like

1580
01:22:57,600 --> 01:22:59,720
Speaker 1: I gotta pick a tree, and I might sit there

1581
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:01,679
Speaker 1: and do what you're talking about, Tyler, and like debate

1582
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 1: back and forth this and that. I need to just

1583
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 1: have like a an app ready to go on my

1584
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 1: phone at all times. Okay, decision time, and I hit

1585
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 1: that button. I've got five minutes and I have to

1586
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 1: make a decision in those five minutes. I wonder if

1587
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:15,280
Speaker 1: that would help. The issue would be once you get

1588
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:17,679
Speaker 1: into your tree, you sit there for hours thinking about

1589
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:22,800
Speaker 1: how dumb you are. Decision very very true, a lot

1590
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:27,720
Speaker 1: of self loving Yeah exactly. Yeah, but uh, Mark, I

1591
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 1: do think that after a mean to you, it's probably

1592
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 1: good for us to be nice to you. Um. I

1593
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:35,720
Speaker 1: think what's cool is that like even through your you know,

1594
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 1: your media outlets that you have it, we have seen

1595
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:41,759
Speaker 1: the growth in the change you know, you've you've taken

1596
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:44,439
Speaker 1: steps and done things to address things that you've had

1597
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 1: a hard time with, you know, And I think that

1598
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 1: all of us, um, self evaluation is huge man. Like,

1599
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 1: as a hunter, you have to be able to self evaluate.

1600
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 1: You have to be able to not just leave a

1601
01:23:57,160 --> 01:23:59,599
Speaker 1: hunt and say, well I didn't get one. You need

1602
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 1: you know? Why is the question? Yes? Why? And this

1603
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 1: is all relative, right, Like, if your goal is to

1604
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:08,599
Speaker 1: go out and just have an opportunity to go hunting,

1605
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:11,000
Speaker 1: then maybe you don't need to do that. But if

1606
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 1: your if your goal is to go out and become

1607
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:16,000
Speaker 1: a better hunter, then I think that, uh, you know,

1608
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 1: for sure, you need to be able to self evaluate,

1609
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:22,360
Speaker 1: um and not be too proud to know your own flaws. Yeah.

1610
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:25,080
Speaker 1: Another thing that I like about you, Mark is and

1611
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:28,640
Speaker 1: I'm really just have I appreciative of what you do

1612
01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:30,519
Speaker 1: and that you have a big voice, because I think

1613
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:35,880
Speaker 1: that you're very solid um solidly in the middle, like

1614
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 1: understanding of different uh mentalities and different thoughts in different

1615
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 1: ways of hunting, and obviously a proponent of conservation man,

1616
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:49,280
Speaker 1: and just you know, getting people involved, um, you know,

1617
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:51,720
Speaker 1: speaking to the experts and speaking to the guys who

1618
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:54,519
Speaker 1: also you know, are new to this. But I really

1619
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:57,280
Speaker 1: appreciate and I'm glad that you have a big voice

1620
01:24:57,320 --> 01:25:00,960
Speaker 1: because uh, you do a really good job. Man. I

1621
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 1: do appreciate you guys saying that. And I didn't I

1622
01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 1: didn't pay him to say this. Guys, everyone else listening,

1623
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 1: this wasn't pretty planned. You can yeah you can't. Could

1624
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 1: we have PayPal take a sound clip? And uh and

1625
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:19,080
Speaker 1: on that note, it is time to wrap it up.

1626
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:22,880
Speaker 1: So where where can people go to see all the

1627
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:25,200
Speaker 1: stuff you guys are doing. It's uh, it's good stuff.

1628
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 1: I've enjoyed it, and I'm glad we've got to have

1629
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:30,719
Speaker 1: this conversation. So everyone that's listening to this and enjoyed

1630
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:33,320
Speaker 1: it is gonna want to go see these big giant

1631
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:37,160
Speaker 1: bucks that you're finding out there and secretly chasing down

1632
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:42,519
Speaker 1: in secret states. So what where can they find it? Yeah? Sure, man,

1633
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:45,680
Speaker 1: so um our podcast is the Element Podcast, and that's

1634
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:49,120
Speaker 1: kind of uh uh similar to a lot of podcasts

1635
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 1: where you have a weekly show and then we have

1636
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 1: some special things we do that are more intensive when

1637
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:56,640
Speaker 1: it comes to like map scouting or we do have

1638
01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:59,680
Speaker 1: a false series called Big Bug Breakdowns where we do

1639
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 1: storytype stuff. But hopefully you'll be on that this year. Man,

1640
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:04,600
Speaker 1: if you shoot a big buck, we'll have you on.

1641
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 1: Sign me up. Yeah. And then uh, we have you

1642
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:12,719
Speaker 1: know the social media outlets that everyone hates to love,

1643
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:16,839
Speaker 1: you know, Facebook, Instagram. All that is the Element Wild

1644
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:19,720
Speaker 1: dot com. Funny enough, the Element was taken, so we

1645
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:22,800
Speaker 1: had to add the Wild on the then and then yeah,

1646
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:25,679
Speaker 1: the website, yeah, the the Element Wild dot com is

1647
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:27,720
Speaker 1: is our You're at the Element Wild. I guess I

1648
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:30,760
Speaker 1: got that. Yeah, yeah, sorry, it's all yeah, unfortunately the

1649
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:33,639
Speaker 1: Element Wild because we don't have twenty grand to spend

1650
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:37,040
Speaker 1: on the Element dot com, you know. Yeah, and then uh,

1651
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:41,280
Speaker 1: our YouTube channel, Tyler is actually our master YouTube expert.

1652
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:44,120
Speaker 1: He's a he's a great video editor and does a

1653
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:47,719
Speaker 1: really good job on that. So if you just search

1654
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:50,320
Speaker 1: the Element or the Element Hunting on YouTube. You'll be

1655
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:53,080
Speaker 1: able to find all the hunts that we've discussed today

1656
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 1: and some others as well. I would advise not going

1657
01:26:55,920 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 1: back too far because it gets real weird. I feel

1658
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:07,000
Speaker 1: the same way about my old stuff too. Yeah, thank

1659
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:08,880
Speaker 1: you guys for taking the time to chat this is

1660
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 1: This has been fun, and uh, I definitely want to

1661
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:13,839
Speaker 1: circle back with you after the season or mid season

1662
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 1: or something and see how all this is going for you. Sure, absolutely,

1663
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:18,960
Speaker 1: Mark sounds great, man. I hope you have a great

1664
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 1: dear Season'd appreciate it. Right back at you, all right,

1665
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 1: And that's a rap for us today. Definitely check out

1666
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,800
Speaker 1: what these guys are doing on YouTube, check out their podcast.

1667
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 1: It's all good stuff, lots to learn from. So until

1668
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 1: next time, appreciate your listening. Best of luck. If you've

1669
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:39,479
Speaker 1: got a hunting trip coming on up, if you're heading

1670
01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:42,719
Speaker 1: out to go chase Western critters, or have an early

1671
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 1: season late August or early September opener for white tails,

1672
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 1: shoot straight, have fun. It's here. The good stuff has arrived.

1673
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:56,160
Speaker 1: One white tail season is kicking off and I couldn't

1674
01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:59,040
Speaker 1: be more excited. So good luck out there, have fun,

1675
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:09,160
Speaker 1: and until next UM, stay wired to hung MHM