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Speaker 1: One week to go. Welcome Burg Gang. On today's show,

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Speaker 1: Zach Ershman joins me, we are a week away from

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Speaker 1: the start of the new league year, otherwise known as

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Speaker 1: the start of free agency. The Cardinals have their first

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Speaker 1: share of players set to it the market. Might they

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Speaker 1: also look to do a little shopping. Plus, Zach has

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Speaker 1: the latest mock draft tracker. It's Cardinals Cover two, episode

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Speaker 1: seven thirty four, and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Poda Baker, What Heart?

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Speaker 1: What rent? This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of

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Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcast. Visit Azycardinals

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Speaker 3: He's at the ten half of five.

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Speaker 1: He's it again.

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Speaker 3: Some more hurry magic.

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Speaker 2: Whow here's Craig Griolu.

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Speaker 1: So it's been a little while, I think two weeks

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Speaker 1: since I've had the pleasure of doing a show with

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Speaker 1: Zech or maybe the pleasure is yours.

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Speaker 3: No, it's it's mine. It's it's truly, it's mine. It's mine. Craig,

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Speaker 3: don't give me the credit like that. I've missed you.

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Speaker 1: How was Indy Indianapolis was good. We had a nice

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Speaker 1: forty degree weather dropped between Monday and Tuesday and then

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Speaker 1: Wednesday afternoon Thursday morning. But a lot of work, a

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Speaker 1: lot of fun, and had been four years since I

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Speaker 1: was in Indianapolis and it was good.

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Speaker 3: A lot of great content that was I was posted

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Speaker 3: on social and on the podcast, so kudos to all

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Speaker 3: you guys out there. But yes, I did feel kind

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Speaker 3: of alone, Paul and I did. Paul and I were

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Speaker 3: watching the forty yard dashes going on at the Combine,

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Speaker 3: so we had our fun as well.

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Speaker 1: Kind of felt alone, okay a little bit.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look went with the way that I've been

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Speaker 3: so used to our new setup and everything, just looking

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Speaker 3: to my right, seeing you there, looking at my left

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Speaker 3: scene Darren there, and then I just looked and nobody

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Speaker 3: was there, and I was, I was, I was kind

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Speaker 3: of upset a little bit. And then Paul was mostly

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Speaker 3: here in the studio, whether it was Red Sea Report

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Speaker 3: or whatever it was Cardinal's Underground. Paul kind of made

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Speaker 3: this his new home, so I was just kind of

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Speaker 3: out there by myself. I know Kramer was there and

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Speaker 3: Caitlin Epps was there, but besides that, like looking at

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Speaker 3: my right and left. Where is everybody?

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Speaker 1: All right? So before we dive into free agency and

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Speaker 1: then the draft, how did you spend your time while

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Speaker 1: we were away?

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Speaker 3: Zach working?

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Speaker 1: Okay, working?

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Speaker 3: Of course, we had our fun as well. You know,

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Speaker 3: sometimes you need the occasional ten to fifteen minute breaks

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Speaker 3: and you'll pull out the white board and you'll play

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Speaker 3: a game of hangman.

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Speaker 1: Any new ventures plans or anything like that.

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Speaker 3: I see where you're going with this, and yes, potentially

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Speaker 3: new business business venture.

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Speaker 1: Business venture, Yes, that's what we're calling it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, bring the audience in.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm just gonna let it hang and we'll see

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Speaker 1: if anything develops from what Zach and others have been

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Speaker 1: we say, working on or just I've been fun with

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Speaker 1: actively pursuing with light intentions. Okay, this is a tremendous tease.

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Speaker 3: By the way, Yes, people have no clue what we're

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Speaker 1: But now perhaps there will have to be a follow

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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe we have to host whatever this venture is

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Speaker 3: right here in this studio.

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Speaker 1: That would be a lot of fun too. Maybe a

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Speaker 3: All right, I would love a live audience.

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Speaker 1: People come here, Cardinals Cover two presented by Hyundai probably

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Speaker 1: partner of the Arizona Cardinals for some football, specifically Arizona

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Speaker 1: Cardinals football, and yes, one week from Wednesday. In fact,

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Speaker 1: as we record here on this Wednesday, one week to

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Speaker 1: the start of free agency. By the way, the draft

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Speaker 1: or from now until Day one of the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four NFL Draft. But free agency comes first. And when

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Speaker 1: And if you missed any of what was previously said

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Speaker 1: or written, Azcardinals dot Com, Zach has done a great job.

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Speaker 1: Eleven total position groups. Defensive line, offensive line, quarterback, inside linebacker,

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Speaker 1: special teams, and wide receiver have already been done earlier

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Speaker 1: a refresher, yes, the salary cap is increasing two hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty five plus million Cardinals depending on what you

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Speaker 1: fifty five million dollars a cap space, will they spend it, Yes,

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Speaker 1: GM monti Assin for there's a It's.

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Speaker 3: Great to have the cap, you know, expand a little bit.

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Speaker 3: This so why you should come join our team. But

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Speaker 3: Maddy Austin Ford is a smart guy. He's been a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the salary cap goes up for the Cardinals, it

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Speaker 1: so everyone is fleshed with cash. How many of these

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Speaker 1: And you need a veteran in that room. Dare I

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Speaker 1: And if it is a return of Antonio Hamilton to

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Speaker 1: think get that sense. Watching Antonio play a year ago,

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Speaker 3: Hamilton progressed as the season went on as he got

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Speaker 3: But he can't be the sole veteran in that room.

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Speaker 3: It just also fact checked myself Antonio Hamilton went out

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Speaker 3: to find a home because not a lot of teams

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Speaker 3: needed that RB won.

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Speaker 1: How quickly do these players Berkley and Henry sign right away?

439
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Speaker 1: Is there a team that believes that a run game

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Speaker 1: can help out a young quarterback, or that run game

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Speaker 1: is the last thing missing on a potential playoff run,

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Speaker 1: or dare I say a championship run? And then how

443
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Speaker 1: many of these players, based off their asking price and

444
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Speaker 1: not wanting to take that much of a haircut based

445
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Speaker 1: off what they made this past season, how many of

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Speaker 1: these guys sit around? Wait? I think a long time,

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Speaker 1: May June. Dare I say, start a training camp in

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Speaker 1: late July. At that point in late July, like the

449
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Speaker 1: Cardinals did when they signed Marlon Mack. If the Cardinals

450
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Speaker 1: won want a little bit of an insurance policy for

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Speaker 1: James Conner. Hopefully it doesn't get hurt, but that position,

452
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Speaker 1: you're going to miss a handful of games, and you're

453
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Speaker 1: just looking to add some extra experience in that room

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Speaker 1: outside of Connor and Michael Carter, who's still on his

455
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Speaker 1: rookie contract. Then I could see perhaps maybe these names

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Speaker 1: being banteed about as far as potential signings for the Cardinals,

457
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Speaker 1: but understanding that they're coming in not to be RB one,

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Speaker 1: They're coming in to be James Connor's backup and fighting

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Speaker 1: for snaps exactly.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking at the list that we have the photo

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Speaker 3: carousel on our on Azycardinals dot com of the upcoming

462
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Speaker 3: free agents, I could see a guy like Derek Henry

463
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Speaker 3: really struggling to find a team because he's just such

464
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Speaker 3: a unique running back. You have to find a scheme

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Speaker 3: that has the role available for a power back and

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Speaker 3: not just a generic power back. Dereck Henry is a beast,

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Speaker 3: say Kwan Barkley. I mean, I know that there's reports

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Speaker 3: about him already kind of being linked to the Houston Texans.

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Speaker 3: Now that we don't have to worry about where Houston

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Speaker 3: finishes in next year's draft. I'm sure he would do

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Speaker 3: great over there and wish the Texas all the best,

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Speaker 3: pushed them all the best type of things, and that

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Speaker 3: could be a great piece kind of going off of

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Speaker 3: what you said about a young quarterback having a solid

475
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Speaker 3: running back to pair with him, A CJ. Stroud could

476
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Speaker 3: work really well with a Saquon Barkley if something like

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Speaker 3: that does end up happening. But out of the eight

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Speaker 3: that I believe you mentioned, it wouldn't surprise me if

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Speaker 3: about four or five of them find a team and

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Speaker 3: then the remaining really you have to wait until a

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Speaker 3: little bit later on, possibly after the draft and training

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Speaker 3: camps nearly began.

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Speaker 1: And is there more of an interest in a running

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Speaker 1: back who has shown that they are a dual threat,

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Speaker 1: can catch the ball out of the backfield, has been

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Speaker 1: asked to do that. To your point about Derek Henry,

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Speaker 1: He's getting thirty touches a game, but ninety nine percent

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Speaker 1: of those touches are on the ground. He's not that

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Speaker 1: big of a back as far as the pass catching ability.

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Speaker 1: Not saying he can't do it, he just doesn't have

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Speaker 1: a lot of it on his resume, and it might

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Speaker 1: not be a fit for a particular team who's probably

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Speaker 1: looking for a handful of snaps and that pass catching.

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Speaker 1: And then when you think about the running back position,

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Speaker 1: you talk to a James Connor these other running backs,

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Speaker 1: it's not so much those first three, four, five, six

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Speaker 1: carries in the first half. It's the fifteenth, sixteenth, seventeenth

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Speaker 1: carry in the second half where they really get going.

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Speaker 1: But if you don't have that number and you're not

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Speaker 1: able to reach that number because you're only gonna get

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Speaker 1: eight to nine, then do we really see the value

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Speaker 1: of a Derreck Henry or a Saquon Barkley really be

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Speaker 1: that effective.

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Speaker 3: James Connor excels when the defense is already starting to

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Speaker 3: wear down a little bit, and you continue to run

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Speaker 3: it down their throat and you say, I'm gonna do

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Speaker 3: it again, and then I'm gonna do it again, and

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Speaker 3: then I'm gonna bring in a faster running back in

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Speaker 3: Michael Carter, and now I'm gonna bring James Connor right

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Speaker 3: back in and I'm gonna do it again. That's what

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Speaker 3: the Cardinals have the access and the ability to do.

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Speaker 3: Not a lot of other teams have that. And with

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Speaker 3: a Derrick Henry think about the quarterbacks he had in

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Speaker 3: Tennessee over the past couple of years. Ryan Tannehill did

515
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Speaker 3: not have the arm that we saw from younger Ryan

516
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Speaker 3: Tannehill in the beginning half of his career. Then you

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Speaker 3: have Malik Willis coming in. He never really panned out

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Speaker 3: in his first few years. Then you have Will Levis

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Speaker 3: coming in, a rookie quarterback that has a very strong arm,

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Speaker 3: but the accuracy is not fully on point. That's when

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Speaker 3: you have the ability to hand the rock to say,

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Speaker 3: all right, Will Lewis might not have his arm today.

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Speaker 3: Let's feed Derek Henry. We have to feed the king.

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Speaker 1: Accardinals dot Com is where you can find Zach's rydeups

525
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Speaker 1: his free agent primers on cornerback, safety, and running back.

526
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Speaker 1: Still to come this week on Thursday, the tight end position.

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Speaker 1: Then on Friday, outside linebacker. Real quick, as we tease

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Speaker 1: forward here tight in, I would predict maybe a low

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Speaker 1: position of need. I would like to see jess Wayne return.

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Speaker 1: So we have that veteran in that room. But you

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Speaker 1: do know Trey McBride is tied in number one. Elijah

532
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Speaker 1: Higgins certainly someone who are impressed late. So you're looking

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Speaker 1: for not the pass catcher, but you're looking for more

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Speaker 1: that blocking tight end at least what we saw a

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Speaker 1: year ago.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you could talk me out of this before this

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Speaker 3: gets posted on Thursday. Right now, I have it as

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Speaker 3: a medium need, medium need. The reason why I have

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Speaker 3: it as a medium need is because how did Trey

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Speaker 3: McBride blow up in the way that he did. He

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Speaker 3: came in for an injured zach Ertz. What happens if

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Speaker 3: Trey McBride goes down. I don't necessarily expect a wide

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Speaker 3: receiver turn tight end and Elijah Higgins to get the

544
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Speaker 3: same amount of reps, have the same amount of trust

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Speaker 3: and confidence and camaraderie with Kyler Murray at quarterback because

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Speaker 3: Elijah Higgins is still learning the position I have as

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Speaker 3: a medium need, And if you bring back of Jeff Swain, great,

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Speaker 3: maybe that's taken to a low need because now you

549
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Speaker 3: don't need that tight end number two. But there's a

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Speaker 3: veteran need that's in that room because right now, Trade

551
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Speaker 3: McBride's the elder statesman in that room and he's only

552
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Speaker 3: going into his third year.

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Speaker 1: The reason I would say low a little bit higher

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Speaker 1: of a need than I would certainly give it to

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Speaker 1: the running back position. But Trey McBride, he's your guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you want to have a backup plan, But that might

557
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Speaker 1: be something that gets addressed third wave of free agency,

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Speaker 1: maybe later this offseason, depending on what they think of Higgins,

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Speaker 1: Blake Whiteheart, any in that big guy, Travis Vocalek who

560
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Speaker 1: they added late in the season, raw bodies when you

561
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Speaker 1: talk about those last three. But is there enough and

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Speaker 1: then obviously if McBride again, I'm knocking on wood here,

563
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Speaker 1: but if it's a long term injury, then that's a

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Speaker 1: different story. But I wouldn't I wouldn't put tight end

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Speaker 1: as far as March Need April Need. It might be

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Speaker 1: later in the offseason. Need agreed. I still think the

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Speaker 1: position group as a whole. The reason why I would

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Speaker 1: still slide it in that medium slot is because think

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Speaker 1: about the we talk about James Connor being the type

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Speaker 1: of animal that he is. When you have twelve person

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Speaker 1: out thirteen personnel, you kind of want to have more

572
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Speaker 1: tight ends out there, more stronger, bigger. Yes, Travis Vocalek.

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Speaker 3: Is a beast, especially by his body size being that's

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Speaker 3: six foot believe he's six seven, almost like he's he's

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Speaker 3: the tallest guy in that tight end room. But I

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Speaker 3: do think when it comes to that veteran experience, that

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Speaker 3: veteran leadership, Michael Carter and Amar de Mercado get to

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Speaker 3: learn from James Connor, a veteran somebody that has had

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Speaker 3: seven years in the league. He's done a really solid job.

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Speaker 3: Trey McBride's still going into year three and similar to

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Speaker 3: how we talked about the cornerbacks, there's still babies. When

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Speaker 3: you think about at the end of the day, I

583
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Speaker 3: think of how much Trey McBride learned from a guy

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Speaker 3: like Zach Ertz and a guy like Jeff Swam, guys

585
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Speaker 3: who have been in the league for six, seven, eight, nine,

586
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Speaker 3: ten years and they've he's been able to, you know,

587
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Speaker 3: be a sponge of information around them, a sponge of information.

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Speaker 3: So because of that, I think you kind of have

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Speaker 3: a medium need, more so for the veteran role than

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Speaker 3: the actual positional role.

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Speaker 1: I' so got to mention Bernhard Psychowitz signed to a

592
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Speaker 1: futures contract. Is this the year in which Psycho can

593
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Speaker 1: get onto the active roster, at least on the fifty

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Speaker 1: three man roster. But to your point, as far as

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Speaker 1: players under contracts as we speak, versus player that need

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Speaker 1: to be added. The running back room, yeah it's only

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Speaker 1: four deep, but you feel very comfortable in those four guys.

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Speaker 1: The tight end room, yeah it is five deep. But

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Speaker 1: to your point, there is no veteran currently on the roster. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Jeff Swam, then you should be all set.

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Speaker 3: And that's kind of the way I look at it

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Speaker 3: right now. This is when I write these primers up.

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Speaker 3: These guys are scheduled to be free agents. They are

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Speaker 3: not on the active roster. They're not in the facility

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Speaker 3: working out whenever spring, whenever free agency does hit. Because

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Speaker 3: of that, that's why I have it as a medium need.

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Speaker 3: Because Jeff Swam right now is not under contract, I

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Speaker 3: think we are safe to say. And even though I

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Speaker 3: have not read it yet, it gets posted on Friday.

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Speaker 3: Outside linebacker, and if it's not what I'm about to say,

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Speaker 3: then yeah we will have an argument and I will

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Speaker 3: change your mind. Outside linebacker, edge rusher, it's a high

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Speaker 3: need for the Arizona Cardinals in free agency, slash the draft.

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Speaker 3: Although I'll say this, there is not a single edge

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Speaker 3: rusher that is scheduled to be a free.

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Speaker 1: Agent for the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 3: How about that?

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Speaker 1: So you have a room that is very deep as

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Speaker 1: far as numbers, but not a lot of production. So

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Speaker 1: it would be a high need for me because of

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Speaker 1: the lack of productivity when it comes to sacks, pressures, hurries, knockdowns,

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Speaker 1: only one sack of the last six games. Yet if

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Speaker 1: you're gonna add, maybe you have to subtract. And maybe

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Speaker 1: this defensive staff believes that Xavin Collins in year two

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Speaker 1: performs b Jojo Lauri with a full off season year

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Speaker 1: two performs. But there's not that fear factor when you

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Speaker 1: talk about the Cardinals outside linebackers, at least as we

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Speaker 1: speak here on Wednesday, one week out from free agency,

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Speaker 1: it is.

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Speaker 3: Going to be a hurrying job because of everything that

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Speaker 3: you just mentioned. And I think that there's so many

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Speaker 3: rotational pieces that you do have that's great for the

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Speaker 3: sake of just having players that are fresh legs under them.

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Speaker 3: They're able to get out there, tried out onto the field,

635
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Speaker 3: try to make a third down pressure, second half pressure,

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Speaker 3: whatever it might be. But you hit on all the stats.

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Speaker 3: Not being able to really get to the quarterback just

638
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Speaker 3: shows that you just have fresh legs, you're not able

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Speaker 3: to Yes, you could impact the quarterback in certain in

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Speaker 3: a lot of different ways that the stat sheet won't show,

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Speaker 3: but I want to see it on the stat sheet

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Speaker 3: and on the field. And because of that, they don't

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Speaker 3: have anybody on the outside that a quarterback is going

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Speaker 3: to be pointing towards saying my left tackle, I need

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Speaker 3: you to block him. Yes, Zavin Collins is still very

646
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Speaker 3: raw as moving over to that edge rusher position, Dennis

647
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Speaker 3: Gardek did a great job with with this year. Bjo

648
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Speaker 3: Jalari also did not really have a training camp. He

649
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Speaker 3: was injured as well. Now he's going to have a

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Speaker 3: full year and a full training camp under his belt.

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Speaker 3: What can we see from him besides that, you don't

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Speaker 3: really have anybody in that room. And there are a

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Speaker 3: lot of edge rushers slated to hit the market, and

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Speaker 3: a lot of teams are ready starting to franchise tag

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Speaker 3: their edge rusher is potentially looking for a franchise tag

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Speaker 3: and trade whatever might be. But there are definitely are

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Speaker 3: players on the market that you hope to bring in.

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Speaker 3: Gardeck led the team with six sacs. Ojulari had four.

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Speaker 3: You also have Victor d. Mucage, Cameron Thomas, Jesse Lucetta

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Speaker 3: who was a restricted free agent or I should say,

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Speaker 3: an exclusive rights free agent that was signed, and then

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Speaker 3: Tyreek Smith who was added late in the season. So

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Speaker 3: those are your bodies as far as numbers are concerned

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Speaker 3: at outside linebacker. But to our conversation here, there's just

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Speaker 3: not a fear factor. There's no one that out there

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Speaker 3: that the quarterback is afraid of or is going to

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Speaker 3: pressure the offense and get that quarterback to get the

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Speaker 3: ball out quicker and help the secondary. And I think

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Speaker 3: in so many cases the coaching staff has seen everything

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Speaker 3: that they kind of need to see. Now, you could

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Speaker 3: give it a test during during training camp, during voluntary workouts, OTAs,

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Speaker 3: whatever it is. You could see how a cam Thomas performs.

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Speaker 3: But we saw that they had loyalty. I get, yes,

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Speaker 3: loyalty is the thing. You have a loyalty to your players.

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Speaker 3: But a lot of these guys are brought in in

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Speaker 3: the prior regime. They're not the Johnathan Gannon, Nick Rolis

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Speaker 3: Manias and Forts selected players. When you get to look

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Speaker 3: at a guy like Meij Sanders, they had no problems

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Speaker 3: parting ways with Meij. They felt that they had all

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Speaker 3: the pieces in the room. They might think they still

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Speaker 3: have all the pieces in the room at that point

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Speaker 3: of the season, and if it still remains to be

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Speaker 3: the case, you're still going to need to add other

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Speaker 3: players in so that it could compliment the players you

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Speaker 3: already have.

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Speaker 1: That all can be found on Azcardinals dot Com again

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Speaker 1: eleven total position groups. And that wraps up this week

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Speaker 1: as we switch gears now here on Cardinals Cover two

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Speaker 1: presented by Hyundai, partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As I

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Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, the NFL Draft is fifty days away. We've

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Speaker 1: also had Zach working on the Mock Draft Tracker and

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Speaker 1: Mock Draft Tracker two point zero is to be posted

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Speaker 1: on Thursday, post scouting combine. I'm not sure much has

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Speaker 1: changed when it comes to the Cardinals and that fourth

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Speaker 1: overall pick, although I did find it interesting that NFL

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Speaker 1: dot Com NFL Network draft analysts lanzer Line, who we

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Speaker 1: had a chance to speak to a week ago in Indianapolis,

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Speaker 1: his two point zero had Molik Neighbors selected with the

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Speaker 1: fourth overall pick, Marvin Harrison Junior going fifth overall to

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Speaker 1: the Chargers.

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Speaker 3: That was one of the more interesting ones I saw

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Speaker 3: because normally, if the Cardinals are not taking Marvin Harrison

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Speaker 3: Junior in these mock drafts, it's because he's already off

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Speaker 3: the board. This was the one where I had to

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Speaker 3: refresh the page to see if that there was a glitch,

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Speaker 3: and no, you're you're right. He has them going fifth

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Speaker 3: overall to the Los Angeles Chargers. I think that's super

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Speaker 3: fascinating from mock draft, from mock draft tracker one point

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Speaker 3: oh to two point zero the fourth overall pick. A

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Speaker 3: lot of it's still the same consensus as to who

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Speaker 3: you're going to be bringing in at twenty seven. You

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Speaker 3: don't have as many defensive tackles like a Byron Murphy.

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Speaker 3: He shot up in a lot of draft boards, and

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Speaker 3: you don't have you know, Brayden Fisk. He shot up

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Speaker 3: in a lot of draft boards as well. Brailyn Trice

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Speaker 3: also shot up and some went down in some others.

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Speaker 3: So it's always going to keep on changing. And I

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Speaker 3: saw when Adam Schafter tweeted out this morning, fifty days

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Speaker 3: until the NFL Draft in Detroit. I saw somebody respond

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Speaker 3: back to him, you mean twenty five days until twenty

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Speaker 3: five days left? And I don't know why that hit

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Speaker 3: me a lot more than just fifty days.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be here before you know it. And to

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Speaker 1: your point, when you see some of these names that

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Speaker 1: are shooting up draft boards, it's because of recency bias.

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Speaker 1: And then what is the hot name, what is the

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Speaker 1: hot rumor out there? I'll say this about Zerline having

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Speaker 1: Neighbors drafted ahead of Marvin Harrison Junior. What he told

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Speaker 1: us a week ago is that the consensus, or re

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Speaker 1: least those within the league and scouting circles, that the

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Speaker 1: difference between Marvin Harrison Junior, Molakue Neighbors, and Romadunze is

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Speaker 1: not as large as what the fan base believes it is.

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Speaker 1: Because for two years now, all we've heard is Marvin

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Speaker 1: Harrison Junior is not only the number one wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: B Darnaiir might be the number one draft prospect regardless

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Speaker 1: of position. But you start digging into some of these

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Speaker 1: scouting services, and it all depends on what you like

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Speaker 1: in a wide receiver, what you need in a wide receiver,

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Speaker 1: what you prefer in a wide receiver that are all great,

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Speaker 1: that are all projected number one wide receivers. A GM

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Speaker 1: front office offensive staff might prefer one over the other

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Speaker 1: based off what they think is best for their particular offense.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not doubting any of these analysts and their

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Speaker 3: predictions or anything like that, but you also have to

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Speaker 3: look into how does a wide receiver pass our, run

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Speaker 3: block that stuff that, Yes, Marvin Harrison Junior, his numbers

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Speaker 3: are through the roof. He's one of the best college

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Speaker 3: tight ends we've seen over these past decade plus, but

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Speaker 3: it's what he's able to do off the ball as well.

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Speaker 3: The character in the locker room. That's all stuff that

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Speaker 3: the scouting department upstairs, in the tempee dig the hell

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Speaker 3: training facility, that stuff that they're all taking into account

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Speaker 3: that you might not expect as many draft analysts because

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Speaker 3: they want to put the big names, they want to

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Speaker 3: make the splash predictions and hopes that they could say,

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Speaker 3: you know, five years down the line.

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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 1: I was right that that was the player.

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Speaker 3: Because I look at a guy like Roma Dunze working

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Speaker 3: out at the end of the draft combine and went

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Speaker 3: viral on Twitter. Just the fact that he was trying

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Speaker 3: to do that three cone drill, try to get under

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Speaker 3: that six to sixth tally that I think he was

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Speaker 3: shooting for. Those are the type of things that won't

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Speaker 3: show up on the stat sheet, won't show up when

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Speaker 3: you're watching these player highlight videos on YouTube. That's what

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Speaker 3: this Arizona Cardinals team is built off of, is the

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Speaker 3: player and the person that also happens to be taking

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Speaker 3: the field.

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Speaker 1: It's a good point as far as can they block

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Speaker 1: in the run game and a wide receiver in this offense,

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Speaker 1: Michael Wilson found out very quickly. It's why Zach Pascal

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Speaker 1: was signed because of his ability to block. Didn't see

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Speaker 1: a lot of time as far as an offensive player.

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Speaker 1: But you have to be able to block and help

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Speaker 1: even though the ball might not be headed your way.

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Speaker 1: Goes back to what JG always says, team before you.

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Speaker 1: If you're on the field one, if you have a uniform,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have a role. If you're on the field,

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Speaker 1: you have a job to do even though the ball

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Speaker 1: might not be headed your way. So what do you do. Well,

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Speaker 1: you have to block or at least run your route

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Speaker 1: as if you're going to get the ball, so you're

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Speaker 1: not there's no tell to a defense. We know the

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Speaker 1: ball is not headed to the left side of the

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Speaker 1: right side, and that's something that we don't really see

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Speaker 1: from wide receivers because it's all about the route running

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Speaker 1: the hands, the leaping ability, how well do they run

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Speaker 1: their routes? Not so much. I don't think I've seen

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Speaker 1: any highlight from any of those three wide receivers as

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Speaker 1: far as how other hands are when it comes to

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Speaker 1: blocking a dB or maybe even chipping a linebacker.

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Speaker 3: And all the points that you mentioned about the route

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Speaker 3: running and the hands and the speed, the skill set,

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Speaker 3: all that stuff. Of course, it's one A, one B,

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Speaker 3: one C. You could continue going down to listen. The

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Speaker 3: reason why I say one A one because without one

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Speaker 3: you don't have the other, and you need to have

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Speaker 3: all the combined into one to make the type of

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Speaker 3: lab player you want, the player that just came right

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Speaker 3: out of the lab. This is the ideal player, and

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Speaker 3: in a lot of cases, Marvin Harrison does fit that

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Speaker 3: category still, though it's not to say that Roma dunes

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Speaker 3: A Malik nighbors a lot of other players later down

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Speaker 3: on the board, the Brian Thomas juniors of the world,

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Speaker 3: those are players still that do still fit that mold.

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Speaker 3: But because you're not gonna have thirty two wide receivers

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Speaker 3: go off the board first, you're not going to have

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Speaker 3: thirty two offensive tackles go off the board. Cornerbacks, edge rushers.

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Speaker 3: Fortunately for the Cardinals, this is a loaded draft class

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Speaker 3: in so many different positions that it gives them the

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Speaker 3: opportunity to get a first round talent in the second round,

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Speaker 3: some potentially even sliding to the third round just because

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Speaker 3: of how different some of these mock drafts have been.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Lanzer line with the cardinals twenty seventh

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Speaker 1: overall pick has the Cardinals selecting Oregon center Jackson powers.

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Speaker 1: Johnson building the trenches would not surprise me at all.

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Speaker 1: Another mock draft that I saw on Wednesday, Charles Davis

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Speaker 1: NFL Network, NFL on CBS, his one point zero Marvin

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Speaker 1: Harrison Junior goes to the Cardinals at number four at

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Speaker 1: twenty seven. It's the cornerback out of Alabama, kool Aid McKinstry.

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Speaker 1: It was reported during the combine though, that he has

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Speaker 1: a Jones fracture in his right foot. Should be full

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Speaker 1: go for training camp, but again, maybe that's why he's

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Speaker 1: slipping a little bit, and you wonder about the health

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Speaker 1: of a player. But two, it's a one. It's offensive

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Speaker 1: line and cornerback, two positions that would not surprise me.

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Speaker 1: If this Cardinals team looks, especially late in the first round,

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Speaker 1: early second round.

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Speaker 3: I'm shocked as I look as I look through some

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Speaker 3: of these mock drafts. I rarely and actually have not

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Speaker 3: yet to see a first round selection in the fourth

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Speaker 3: the fourth overall pick going towards offensive line. It's normally

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Speaker 3: in that twenty seventh spot, whether it's the tackle out

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Speaker 3: of Washington, Amarius Whims out of Georgia. There are a

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Speaker 3: few different options back there at twenty seven, but you

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Speaker 3: never see it with a fourth overall pick. But I

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Speaker 3: have seen a lot of mock drafts going towards kool

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Speaker 3: Aid McKinstry out of Alabama. He's I say this all

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Speaker 3: the time. He's got the coolest name. I think, kool Aid,

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Speaker 3: kool Aid Cardinal Red. That's like, that's a T shirt

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Speaker 3: put in the pro shop right now if he gets selected.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's the type of player that's got a

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Speaker 3: cool name, but he's also able to back it up

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Speaker 3: on the field.

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Speaker 1: By the way, it was his According to one story

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Speaker 1: that I read, it was his grandmother that gave him

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Speaker 1: that nickname because she thought as a baby he looked

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Speaker 1: like the kool Aid man. Really is that? So that's

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Speaker 1: what I read.

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Speaker 3: How how would he look like.

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Speaker 1: The kool Aid I'm just maybe the smile and the

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Speaker 1: kool Aid man in a jar jar with animated small arms,

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Speaker 1: large legs.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, it's okay. Chop Robinson was called after

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Speaker 3: a pork chop.

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Speaker 1: Yeah there, Hey, nicknames, that's you know. You always wonder

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Speaker 1: how did you get that nickname? So if he gets drafted,

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Speaker 1: we can ask and get it on the record. There

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Speaker 1: we go, by the way, put you on the spot,

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Speaker 1: whether you know or not. I have no idea. How

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Speaker 1: many mock drafts are you tracking here? One point zero,

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Speaker 1: two point zero.

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Speaker 3: I look at twenty different mock twenty A lot of it,

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Speaker 3: I would say maybe about ten or from the big

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Speaker 3: names that you that you occasionally do see, the the

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Speaker 3: Lanser lines, the mel Kiper's field yates, a lot of

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Speaker 3: the the main national pundits are the ones that I'm

869
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Speaker 3: looking through their mock drafts. But there's also a lot

870
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Speaker 3: that a lot of mock drafts that specifically, you know,

871
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 3: they send their they put their entire season into focusing

872
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 3: as to who could be a draft prospect. So it's

873
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Speaker 3: like Pro Football Focus has done a very deep dive

874
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Speaker 3: into these draft prospects. So I've been doing a lot

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Speaker 3: of searching through through those outlets as.

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Speaker 1: Well, because everyone has a mock draft, everyone has a draft,

877
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Speaker 1: everyone has a mind. I know what you're doing, So

878
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Speaker 1: for you to narrow it down to twenty is very impressive.

879
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Speaker 3: Yes, And if I were to do a mock draft

880
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Speaker 3: as well, I don't I think I would have similar

881
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Speaker 3: selections to what some of the national pundits are saying.

882
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Speaker 3: But we still have twenty five days until twenty five

883
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Speaker 3: days remain.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so the NFL Draft is fifty days away. A

885
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: mock draft tracker two point zero to be posted on Thursday.

886
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Speaker 1: Just figure out how many different people and doesn't sound

887
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: like a lot have someone other than Marvin Harrison Junior

888
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: projected to go to the Cardinals at number four and

889
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Speaker 1: then all the different names positions as far as number

890
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Speaker 1: twenty seven is concerned. One of a note here before

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Speaker 1: we say so long here on this Wednesday edition of

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Speaker 1: Cardinals cover two, presented by a Hundai partner of the

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. Another story while you're very busy this week's act,

894
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Speaker 1: but another story that you're working on involves John Gaines,

895
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Speaker 1: one of the draft picks from a year ago. And

896
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Speaker 1: the draft pick that I think many people have forgotten about.

897
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: The offensive lineman utility guy would have had a role

898
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: on this team if not for a knee injury right

899
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Speaker 1: before the season landed on ir and it is year

900
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Speaker 1: before it even began. But you had a chance to

901
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 1: catch up with him and then talk about something away

902
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Speaker 1: from the game of football.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, John Gains is such a cool dude, and we

904
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 3: didn't get to see him as much around the locker

905
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 3: room because he was rehabbing his knee, and I just

906
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 3: so to tie in what was happening off the field.

907
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Speaker 3: Him and a lot of the different Cardinals went to

908
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Speaker 3: Florida last week during the combine for a different type

909
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 3: of combine. It was called the pack Business Combine, and

910
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 3: it was him and some of them were on free

911
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 3: some of them free agents. Johnathan Ledbetter, Carlos Watkins were there,

912
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 3: but he Ow and Papo Zach, Pascal, Mari de Mercado,

913
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Speaker 3: a handful of other different rookies attended to this conference

914
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Speaker 3: where they learned a lot about financial literacy planning off

915
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Speaker 3: the field. Look, if you think about it, we sometimes

916
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 3: talk about money in a lot of cases when we

917
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 3: talk about these NFL players like it's just that it's

918
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Speaker 3: just like a dollar sign on our screen. This is

919
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Speaker 3: dollar signs that go into these players' bankings accounts, their

920
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Speaker 3: checking his account. They have to know what to do

921
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Speaker 3: with them otherwise it could be very dangerous. I think

922
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Speaker 3: about with Shaquille O'Neal, how he started off by saying

923
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Speaker 3: when he first got his paycheck, he spent it all

924
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Speaker 3: right away, and he was bankrupt quite early on, and

925
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Speaker 3: because of that he had to go through a lot

926
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Speaker 3: of financial literacy courses. These players are learning from veterans

927
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Speaker 3: like Shaq when he was a rookie. They're learning as well,

928
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Speaker 3: and they're trying to better themselves off the field. So

929
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Speaker 3: that was a very unique thing. And they did a

930
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Speaker 3: lot of workouts as well. It wasn't just business. They

931
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Speaker 3: were also working with other players throughout the league. And

932
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Speaker 3: John gains what continued his rehab on his knee. He

933
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Speaker 3: told me that I asked him what is his goal

934
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Speaker 3: this year, and he said, it's you know.

935
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Speaker 1: It's not really a goal, but it's a word.

936
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Speaker 3: He's basing his entire next season off of its intentionality.

937
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Speaker 1: That was the word he used.

938
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Speaker 3: He wants to have intent about attacking his rehab in

939
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Speaker 3: a certain type of way so that he could have

940
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Speaker 3: intent as to helping the Cardinals win football games this

941
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Speaker 3: year and off the field as well. He wants to

942
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Speaker 3: be very intentional about how he uses his money and

943
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Speaker 3: taking the skills he learned from this business combine and

944
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Speaker 3: putting it into action. Prepare for life after football, yep,

945
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 3: because it could end immediately and you have no idea.

946
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 3: Everyone wants that ten plus year career, but it could

947
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Speaker 3: end after three years, It could end after one year.

948
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Speaker 1: You just have no idea.

949
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 3: And it was so interesting because I asked him, I go,

950
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Speaker 3: did you feel like you were behind the eight ball

951
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 3: because you're with so many veterans that probably have taken

952
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 3: a lot of these courses, and he's like, actually, the

953
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 3: complete opposite. The veterans said they were jealous that they

954
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 3: couldn't be rookies again so they could do something like

955
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 3: what John gains Owen, Papoamari Dericcato and others were doing

956
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 3: because they were learning from a younger age so that

957
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Speaker 3: they could better suit themselves as the years go on

958
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 3: within the NFL, as they you know, you start talking

959
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,479
Speaker 3: about contract negotiations in future years. It prepares these guys

960
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 3: in a lot of different ways, and you're learning with

961
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 3: other NFL players. There are other players that and you're

962
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 3: learning from former NFL players, so they were really able

963
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 3: to get the full experience with that on the field.

964
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Speaker 1: I wonder where John Gaines's position is on that offensive line.

965
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Speaker 1: He ended his college career at UCLA as a starting

966
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: right guard, was asked to play and work at the

967
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: center position and left guard. The Shrine Bowl does have

968
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,959
Speaker 1: experience all across the line of scrimmage, whether that's tackle,

969
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: guard or center. But where does this coaching staff feel

970
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: one we know where the need is, it's that left guard,

971
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: but where does John Gaines's best prospects of playing? And

972
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,959
Speaker 1: then also what's the best for the team, because team

973
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: ahead of individual. I'm that's the one player that we

974
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: were told when the injury happened that there was going

975
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Speaker 1: to be a role for John Gains. He was going

976
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: to be up on game day. Just a question of

977
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: what kind of role now this year.

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Speaker 3: And I think Jonathan Gannon was very to use John Gains' word,

979
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 3: it was very intentional about saying that John Gains was

980
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 3: going to have a role on the team when he

981
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 3: is able to get back out there because jg is

982
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 3: very point simply said like we'll see as it goes

983
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 3: with a lot of different players. When when discussing their rules,

984
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 3: he said, with John Gains he will have a spot

985
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 3: on this team.

986
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Speaker 1: That left guard spot is.

987
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 3: Obviously the biggest need. You look at left tackle, whatever

988
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 3: happens over there, if you move Paris Johnson Junior over

989
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 3: there or not Calvin Beachum, at least you know you

990
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 3: have options right now left guard, John Gains, this is

991
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 3: kind of your only option on the roster that you

992
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 3: could kind of hope to slide in over there. I'm

993
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 3: sure he's going to be taking his snaps at center

994
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 3: as well, to be behind yelled yell def a hold.

995
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 3: If yelled for a hold does have that position down

996
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 3: on lock as well. He kind of went in that

997
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 3: center role. What had a giant question mark around as

998
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 3: well last year at training camp. I remember that was

999
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 3: the first cover two we had, was talking about what

1000
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 3: could be possibly happening at center. Yelled to for a

1001
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 3: hold kind of silenced any doubters within that role. But

1002
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Speaker 3: left guard, it's gonna be a major need, and John

1003
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Speaker 3: Gains could fill that role. But I'm sure in free

1004
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 3: agency they'll look to add as well.

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Speaker 1: Free agency, the draft, someone already on the roster. Yeah,

1006
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: it's it's it's the off season provides a lot of questions.

1007
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: You don't really get a lot of answers, and so

1008
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 1: you get on the football field and really not until

1009
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: training camp and preseason to figure out where these pieces

1010
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: are really in place. But that update on John Gains

1011
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: on and off the field coming up later on this

1012
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Speaker 1: week on accardinals dot com. Good stuff, Sack's it's a

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Speaker 1: very big is the couple of weeks for you.

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Speaker 3: I missed you guys so much at the combine that

1015
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 3: I knew you were gonna come back and say, well,

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Speaker 3: what'd you do?

1017
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Speaker 2: Well this?

1018
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: I want to show you what I did.

1019
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Speaker 3: So we're gonna we're gonna continue with the process.

1020
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Speaker 1: You know, you threw yourself into your work.

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00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, trust the process.

1022
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Speaker 1: Trust the process. I believe that's a Philly thing. What

1023
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Speaker 1: yeah it is or it is okay, But if it's

1024
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Speaker 1: a way of life thing, would you just call you

1025
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Speaker 1: the process from now on?

1026
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Speaker 3: That's what Joel Embid's nickname is. When they say it

1027
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Speaker 3: over the announcement number twenty one from Kansas, Joel the

1028
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Speaker 3: Process em Bead who's still sidelined. That's a process.

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Speaker 1: That's such a Philly thing, right there, A little dig

1030
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: at the end. I like it.

1031
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Speaker 3: It's all. It's all part of the process, you know.

1032
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Speaker 3: I'm trusting it. Just like just just to tie in

1033
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Speaker 3: a kind of put a bow on this one, just

1034
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Speaker 3: how I'm trusting my food tasting habits as I progress

1035
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Speaker 3: throughout my adult years, maybe through a podcast form.

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Speaker 1: I love how you're expanding your horizons here with the

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. I try my best. This is its duties

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Speaker 1: as a sign, there you go, good luck with that.

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Speaker 1: On that note, we will put a lit on. This

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Speaker 1: edition of Cardinals. Cover two, presented by Hyundai, probably partner

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Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals, has always special thanks to our

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Speaker 1: executive producer Jim am Andre, our associate producer Coddy Fincher.

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Speaker 1: For Zach Kershman, I'm Craig Rayel Lou. We'll talk to

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Speaker 1: you next time here on Cardinals Cover two.