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Speaker 1: How's it, Bra, We're back at it morning combat instant

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Speaker 1: analysis very late on Saturday night. Bron Campbell, of course,

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Speaker 1: one half of your MK duo, the coast hostess with

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Speaker 1: the mostest uh. Of course, we hit you up every Monday,

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Speaker 1: Wednesday and Friday, eleven am Eastern on YouTube. This, of

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Speaker 1: course is IA edition right after the big upset from

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Speaker 1: Las Vegas, when your Dennis Ugas makes the first defense

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Speaker 1: of his WBA Welterway title on eleven days notice, filling

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Speaker 1: in for the injured Aerol Spence Junior and sending forty

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Speaker 1: two year old Manny Pacquiao to unanismiss got unanimous decision

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Speaker 1: defeat one fifteen one thirteen, one sixteen, one twelve and

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Speaker 1: one sixteen one twelve. Ugas the biggest fight of his life,

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Speaker 1: the biggest performance of his life, and now Manny left

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Speaker 1: one year out from sorry, one month out since you

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Speaker 1: from where he will announce whether he will run for

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Speaker 1: the presidency in the Philippines in next year, which he

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Speaker 1: is expected to do. From what I hear, we don't

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Speaker 1: know what his fighting future is and neither does he.

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Speaker 1: He said it'll be one at a time. Well we

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Speaker 1: got one here tonight to break down. Was it Pachiao's

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Speaker 1: age or was this Ugas's night or maybe a little

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Speaker 1: bit of both. Quick housekeeping like this video, subscribe to

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Speaker 1: what we do here on Morning Combat. Yes, this has

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Speaker 1: been the week of BC Luke Thomas enjoying the tail

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Speaker 1: end of his two week, two week, two freaking weeks

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Speaker 1: you kidding me vacation, But your boy BC had to

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Speaker 1: cover this week with some friends with some solo work.

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Speaker 2: Gonna do that right here. But the push to one

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Speaker 2: hundred k.

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Speaker 1: We want to see this MK rocket ship hit the mark,

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Speaker 1: so please subscribe, Tell your friends spread it like an STD.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into this fight. This was supposed to be

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Speaker 1: the summer blockbuster. Spence Paqiao dare to be great for

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Speaker 1: the old man Spence two years or sorry, old man

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Speaker 1: Pacio two year layoff. We know what happened torn Retina

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Speaker 1: for Fence, but the idea was although this won't be

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Speaker 1: the same event, right, it won't be the biggest party

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Speaker 1: of the summer so to speak for boxing, it's still

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Speaker 1: a sneaky good fight.

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Speaker 2: Nobody really liked the eighty dollars price tag on that PBC.

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Speaker 1: On Fox pay per view, but you knew that you

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Speaker 1: could see a technical battle. You knew you could see

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Speaker 1: two of the top five walterweights in the world, and

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Speaker 1: that's important because this is traditionally the money division, especially

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Speaker 1: in this you know, post nineties up and down heavyweight era.

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Speaker 1: We're in a renaissance heavyweight era now, but we know

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Speaker 1: how long that cold, hard winter was during the Klitschko

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Speaker 1: Brothers run. Walterweight has been the division. So you get

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Speaker 1: two top fives here. I mean, if Pacio had straight

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Speaker 1: up announced he was coming back on pay per view

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Speaker 1: against Spence, nobody would expected blockbusters sales, but we would

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Speaker 1: have been excited. And I think you found out pretty

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Speaker 1: quickly in the first half it kind of went to

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Speaker 1: how I predicted that most people would have it scored

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Speaker 1: three to three, and both fighters would have made sort

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Speaker 2: So before we get going down the did Pakiall lose

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Speaker 2: this fight because he's forty.

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Speaker 1: Two row first half of the fight, pak Yah was

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Speaker 1: aggressive and crisp, and you know, did he look like

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Speaker 1: the guy two years ago against Keith Thurman? Not exactly.

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Speaker 2: Look, that guy was on the tail end of a

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Speaker 2: resurgent comeback year, meaning not just the calendar year of

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Speaker 2: on pay per view in January and then came back

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Speaker 1: But that was his third fight in twelve actual months,

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Speaker 1: because his original comeback fight in twenty eighteen was against

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Speaker 1: Matissa excuse me, and knocked him out. So it was,

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Speaker 1: you know, activity. We said this with Conor McGregor and MMA, activity,

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Speaker 1: to keep the timing, to keep all that in hindsight, Right,

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Speaker 1: risk reward thing when you did to be great. So

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Speaker 1: I praised Pakiao and the pre fight previews on video

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Speaker 1: and in print, like we should have him signing up

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Speaker 1: This big ball, even him fighting Ugas on eleven days

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Speaker 1: And the first half of the fight. He didn't look

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Speaker 1: go seventy thirty Pakio old to thirty percent. Ugas won

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Speaker 1: this fight because he was good, because the second half

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Speaker 1: the things that he did really well than the things

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Speaker 1: that limited Pakiao. I think it's almost a double narrative

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Speaker 1: we saw a Pakia a step or two behind. Was

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Speaker 1: here's what Ugas did well. He did things that I

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Speaker 1: I thought on the big stage against Pakiao, he might

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Speaker 1: Ugas has closed all the doors.

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Speaker 2: This was a brilliant technical fight by Ugas.

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Speaker 1: Before I break that part down of what he did, right,

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Speaker 2: Kind of making him look old. It's like, oh god,

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Speaker 2: you know what would have Spence done?

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Speaker 1: And I get that, And it's not that I disagree

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Speaker 1: or mma math with matchmaking styles make fights. It's like

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Speaker 1: but it's true. I wonder if Pachiel watched the Errol

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Speaker 1: Spence Sean Porter fight to that closed twenty nineteen on

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Speaker 1: in that fight. Porter was more dynamic and slicker than

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Speaker 1: we thought he could be against Spence, and that Spence

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Speaker 2: Said all during training camp.

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Speaker 1: I had a little bit of a beef with Shawn

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Speaker 1: and I wanted to show him that I'm the bigger

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Speaker 1: puncher and I got more dog, you know. I hosted

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Speaker 1: that PBC on Fox face off between them, where Spence

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Speaker 1: And what happened in that fight was Porter had arguably

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Speaker 1: Has a style that is not similar to Porter, but

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Speaker 1: there's some similarities with the explosiveness and the way you

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Speaker 1: What does it mean? I can go knock him out?

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Speaker 1: Not necessarily.

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Speaker 2: What it means is I can get.

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Speaker 1: Spence into a brawl. Which the thing about Errol Spence

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Speaker 1: He's got everything. But if you can pigeonhole him into

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Speaker 2: So I wonder even if we saw Spence.

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Speaker 1: Pakio tonight still going to predict that Spence would have

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Speaker 1: the crowd and at the T Mobile Arena was all

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Speaker 2: I wonder if Pakio is still.

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Speaker 1: With the things that he tried to do to Ugas

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Speaker 1: Doesn't mean Manny would have won. It just means it

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Speaker 1: would have given Manny a better chance. The risk reward

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Speaker 1: but still a tough matchup. The very best potential of

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Speaker 1: Ugas was to go in there and do exactly what

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Speaker 1: he just did play chess with Manny Pakiao. Although I

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Speaker 1: make him have to play chess and just outslick him.

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Speaker 1: I thought essentially that Pakia would event find that chin

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Speaker 1: I just said before, that Ugus, maybe on the biggest moment,

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Speaker 1: And that's the risk if you were gonna bet Ugas,

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Speaker 1: a Mani Pacya, well again, a little bit old Mani Pacio.

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Speaker 2: What Floyd did except for Juan Manuel Marcus.

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Speaker 2: What what am I fighting? You know?

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Speaker 1: Watch a Ricky Hatton against him? Watch you know, like

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Speaker 2: He defected, like that's not what he's about.

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Speaker 1: He's an artist that can go out there and not

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Speaker 1: is that man He's normally the artist. That's what I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to say. Manny's normally the guy throwing the more

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Speaker 1: It turned out Ugas did that too Manny in this fight,

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Speaker 1: and he did it particularly with two punches his right

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Speaker 2: And I mean, it was just brilliant what he did.

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Speaker 1: And you know, he walked that tight rope, and you

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Speaker 1: And it was great to see that we'd never misshappen

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Speaker 1: Sean Porter at with it later too, like Manny knows

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Speaker 2: He was smart to know how to counter, and because

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Speaker 2: he disarmed Manny, hey didn't have to worry as much

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Speaker 1: In fact, there's an old adage in boxing when you

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Speaker 1: let me let me clarify my labels here. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: high speed chests. High speed chess is my favorite type

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Speaker 1: There's like low speed chess. There's a good ass technical fight.

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Speaker 1: many Pakiao have given back to the sport once again,

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Speaker 1: giving back to the fans with great matchmaking. Right fighting

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Speaker 1: Spence here when he doesn't need to. I mean, he

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Speaker 2: He couldn't find anybody, right, could have fought a YouTube

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Speaker 1: All right, taking this fight on eleven days notice to

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Speaker 1: And like Raf Bartholome you said on this show on Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: Other people think he has no chance to try to.

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Speaker 1: I think style wise, it's a bad one for him

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Speaker 1: because I think Spence can match his technical output while

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Speaker 1: still being very busy and landing enough where Pakia wasn't

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Speaker 1: able to, maybe because of that size difference, maybe because

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Speaker 1: of the age cremping up and the mental fatigue and

436
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Speaker 1: all that stuff. I said. But Spence is, you know,

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Speaker 1: in this prime, probably quicker than Ugas, hits harder, just

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Speaker 1: as technical. So that's a bad matchup. But you know,

439
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Speaker 1: with this win, Ugus made his career. I mean, you know,

440
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Speaker 1: you you made you made the first line of your obituary.

441
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Speaker 1: Whether that's morbid or not, but you you did that

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Speaker 1: in boxing, and you know, like you that's he did

443
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Speaker 1: something big. And I think he can beat Danny Garcia.

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Speaker 1: I think he can beat Sean Porter. I think he

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Speaker 1: can be you know, could he beat Terrence Crawford. Probably not,

446
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Speaker 1: but he's of this ILK. He's going to deserve these

447
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,480
Speaker 1: unification fights. This is a big fight. Should Manny Pacio

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Speaker 1: fight again after this depend on his politics, schedule and

449
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Speaker 1: dreams and goals and all that, But I think it's

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Speaker 1: going to depend on activity too. He fought three times

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Speaker 1: in twelve months from twenty eighteen to twenty nineteen. It's

452
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Speaker 1: easier to look great. It's not so easy after two years.

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Speaker 1: So would he let if he wins the presidency, will

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Speaker 1: he fight as president? As Freddie Ruach said, maybe maybe

455
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 1: that would be a big deal. But I think we

456
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Speaker 1: will see Pakia again. His love of the game is

457
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Speaker 1: too strong. I think he showed in the first half

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Speaker 1: of this fight at least that he's still got it

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Speaker 1: and if you can refine it a little bit more,

460
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 1: he's still a credible a side commercially, but B side

461
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Speaker 1: critically against any fighter. He wants to fight, any elite welterweight,

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Speaker 1: any elite lightweight that can move up, even if he

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Speaker 1: wants to go easier. I know there was some talk

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Speaker 1: he might want to fight Josh Taylor, who has the

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Speaker 1: four titles at one hundred and forty pounds, or Mike

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Speaker 1: Garcia was a fight he was trying to make for

467
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Speaker 1: a while, or a mere Kahn, which by the way,

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Speaker 1: would be a Manny knockout, So that's probably the best.

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Speaker 2: That's probably the best bit of matchmaking Many.

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Speaker 1: If Many still wants to fight, he should probably come

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Speaker 1: back and knock out a Marton and then you start

472
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Speaker 1: to go okay, which Welterwait, can I make a fight

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Speaker 1: with That'd be fun and it would sell because Manny

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Speaker 1: will still sell. He's still really fun to watch. The

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Speaker 1: Many that that played it safe after the Marquez knockout

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Speaker 1: loss in twenty twelve, the guy against Brandon Rios and Chris.

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Speaker 2: Al Jerry who I mean, guess al Jerry.

478
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Speaker 1: Knocked him Don a million times, but still that guy

479
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Speaker 1: was more of a boxer. The time off he had

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Speaker 1: after that Horn fight in which Jeff Horn made Manipaccio

481
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Speaker 1: fight made him have to brawl. I think it brought

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Speaker 1: out the brawler again in Manipacio, and I think tonight again,

483
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Speaker 1: to circle back to that narrative, you just you just

484
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Speaker 1: didn't have the juice, so to speak, bad word here,

485
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Speaker 1: right because because you know, we're all assuming everyone's on

486
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Speaker 1: the juice, but he didn't have that extra juice in

487
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Speaker 1: the tank to get it done. I think he can

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Speaker 1: repair that with activity if he wants to. But I

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Speaker 1: don't think he ever wins an elite fight again. I mean,

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Speaker 1: but you know, he's a forty two year old welterweight

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Speaker 1: who relies on speeding explosiveness. He's already just sprinkling on

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Speaker 1: top of the great resume and legacy, already with just

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Speaker 1: extra bonus points. So it will be interesting because a

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Speaker 1: long time ago I predicted that Manny loves this game

495
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Speaker 1: too much and loves to fight. That you're not going

496
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Speaker 1: to see him go out on a high note, and

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Speaker 1: you're probably not going to see him want to go

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Speaker 1: away when stuff starts to go bad. Because there's think

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Speaker 1: about when in MMA, when Chuckledell was just getting knocked

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Speaker 1: out for a few in a row, like in his

501
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 1: mind he's still got it. He's still that dude I

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Speaker 1: could still like, you know, like that's what it's like

503
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Speaker 1: when for these guys. So Manny, I've always had that

504
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Speaker 1: fear that he's just gonna hang around and keep trying

505
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Speaker 1: to you know what I mean, look at look at

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Speaker 1: the end. For Ali, it was like him just trying

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Speaker 1: to find make a fire out of something on a

508
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Speaker 1: deserted island, right trying to rub anything together to try

509
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Speaker 1: to find a spark within himself to get back or

510
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Speaker 1: get at the end, it was just trying to find

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Speaker 1: a spark of other people who would be willing to

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Speaker 1: help him put on the big fights that he still

513
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Speaker 1: thinks he can somehow win. I hope that's not for Manny,

514
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: because good guy, he's had seventy something fights, and so

515
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 1: many of them had, you know, have been wars. It's

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00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 1: just ridiculous again that he was in this spot. But

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Speaker 1: you know, I saw I saw an older Manny. I

518
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Speaker 1: didn't see I didn't see a completely washed one. What

519
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: he tried to do against ugas. I think you can

520
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Speaker 1: still do against a lot of fighters, even some quasi

521
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 1: league guys. But it's a good theater in the end,

522
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: you know, Uh, in the life cycle of combat sports,

523
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: you do need the young to get the old, right.

524
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: That's that's the food chain. It's it's sad when it happens,

525
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 1: particularly by knockout by force, right when it happens that way.

526
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 1: But this was sort of a clean transaction in that

527
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Speaker 1: way where Okay, man he's no longer this I mean

528
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 1: Manny was. I say he was playing with house money

529
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 1: last two years, with his with his res with his legacy,

530
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Speaker 1: with his like in the moment legacy with his stock.

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Speaker 1: I guess that is really what I'm looking for. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it was just stupid. It was like, is there a

533
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Speaker 1: Wilterway who can who like can beat Manny? Like? It

534
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: was just like, you know, if you can look that

535
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 1: good against Thurmann, could he beat Crawford? Could he beat Spence?

536
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: But you know that was unrealistic. I mean that was

537
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 1: like Superman stuff and it can't be that anymore. So

538
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 1: it was sort of a passing of a torch. I

539
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 1: don't think who Goss is going to go on to

540
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: be in another pay per view unless it's for all

541
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Speaker 1: four belts.

542
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 2: But you know, it's a big win for him.

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Speaker 1: And you know, for a guy who had a huge

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Speaker 1: amateur career, came to the pros, suffered back to back

545
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Speaker 1: defeats on his initial climb, quit the sport for like

546
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Speaker 1: two years, come back and put the run together that

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Speaker 1: he has. It's good to see. It's good transaction, good

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Speaker 1: piece of business on Saturday night in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Fun little undercard too. Yes, the second half of that

551
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 1: comaine between washed welterweight former champions Robert Guerrero and Victor

552
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: Ortiz West just brutal. First half was pretty fun though

553
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: pretty fun pretty the first half was was the good

554
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: moments of what you can get for a hashtag old

555
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: guy fight, and you know I love that. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: well I'll be back at least Monday. I don't think

557
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: Loop's back on Monday. Spoiler alert from Morning Combat. But

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Speaker 1: uh uh, if you can wish, you know, they called

559
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Speaker 1: me the King of I guess the Collapathy, the King

560
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Speaker 1: of Connecticut. Another prince, my prince. You know we're gonna

561
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Speaker 1: eat eat pancakes and hoops. What are we doing here?

562
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 1: We're we're purple purple shirts, big big print. I like princes,

563
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: by the way, a lot. That guitar solo he had

564
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: at the Rock and Hall of Fame concert while my

565
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: guitar gently weaves, It's like it's like there was like

566
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: some Hendrix voodoo shit going on there. You know, Memory

567
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: threw the guitar up at the end and it never

568
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: came down. I mean that was just some wild ship.

569
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 1: The guy's a virtue freaking OsO and like four different categories.

570
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: Love you some prints, but us in Connecticut, we're about

571
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: to about to get banged out with this hurricane. So

572
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: hopefully that doesn't affect the filming schedule for for Monday

573
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Speaker 1: and beyond or the travel schedule as Luke and I

574
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Speaker 1: are set to head out to Tyrone Willy Jake Paul

575
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Speaker 1: the Showtime pay per view next Sunday, August twenty ninth.

576
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 1: But if things go well, if Roofs don't get blown out,

577
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: that'll be there and I'm gonna freaking bring it. Okay,

578
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna absolutely bring it. All right, Team USA, team

579
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 1: Canada around the same team. It's gonna be wild. It

580
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 1: be wild, al right. This documentary, I hope they could

581
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: turn it around quick room service diary should be whackad do.

582
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 1: All right, Well, this fight wasn't whacked do. Maybe my

583
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: analysis was, but it's late BC. He let it all

584
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: hang out again, so did your Dennis Ugas unanimous decision.

585
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: The WBA Champion gonna roll on. We saw the hero,

586
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: the living legend, Manny Paccio go down. Could have been

587
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: a lot worse, could have been a lot sadder. I

588
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,360
Speaker 1: think he saved a little bit of face in the end,

589
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: and he was humble. I mean, he did point to

590
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: the excuse. He did get to it quick and tell

591
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: you why right, I only had eleven days to prepare.

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00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it's legitimate took the fight. Not everybody's gonna

593
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: take that fight, So shout out to Manny. I mean,

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00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: let's let's let's not forget one thing about Manny when

595
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: he got robbed against Timothy Bradley in the first fight

596
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: in twenty twelve and robbed right, never complained, never complained.

597
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Speaker 1: The only complaint that I hated for Mannipacat was the

598
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: shoulder injury excuse after the after the Mayweather fight. I

599
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: believe he had an injury. I believe there was a

600
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: level of injury there. But I think after we lost

601
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: that fight, they were like, oh, go back out to

602
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 1: the press conference and talk about your shoulder the whole time.

603
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: And he did that, and I didn't like that. So

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00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: what it got healed in the salt water. All of

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00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 1: our heroes can't be perfect, but uh, we didn't see

606
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: our hero get carried out at least, so uh interesting

607
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: night of boxing. I'm delirious. I'm gonna hit the hay, like,

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Speaker 1: subscribe all that good stuff three times a week. The

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Speaker 1: best show they ever made. Bonus Live chat s mention

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Speaker 1: if we got a BC Live Chatoul. You kidding me?

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Speaker 1: What are you kidding me? All right? Just me and

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Speaker 1: me and rowdy rowdy over here. I mean this is

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Speaker 1: great him Punk two a W Yeah, brock Leslian with

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Speaker 1: a man one. What a weekend? What a weekend of

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Speaker 1: combat sports of the real kind of descripted, kind of

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Speaker 1: fake kind. Yeah, I'm signing off.

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Speaker 2: Brian Campbell BC two, Goss's night, I love you.

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Speaker 1: We out