Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbo.
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Speaker 1: And Dan and Tie welcome back to the solid verb
Speaker 1: Boys and girls. My name is Ty Hildebrand, joining me
Speaker 1: as always, but not from New York City. Dan Rubinstein,
Speaker 1: where are you, sir? How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm good. I am on the West Coast. I'm in
Speaker 2: Lake Tahoe for work. I'm out here for the American
Speaker 2: Century Championship. He is a celebrity Welf tournament. What now?
Speaker 1: What is that?
Speaker 2: The American Century Championships? You remember it's right after the
Speaker 2: what the MLB All Star Game we're recording in? The
Speaker 2: All Star Game is tonight. Typically this is the time
Speaker 2: of year where no sports are happening, specifically because baseball
Speaker 2: is in its All Star breaks, so nothing's going on.
Speaker 2: So there's a bunch of athletes and actors and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. I think Ray Romano is here justin Timberlake.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of notable football Jerry Rice is yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: Steph Curry, fun people. So I'm going to be doing
Speaker 2: fun golf things, which I don't know that much about golf.
Speaker 1: Now, hold on, hold on, put Yeah, for anyone who's
Speaker 1: listened to this show for any extended period of time,
Speaker 1: they're pretty aware of your adversarial relationship with the fine
Speaker 1: sport emphasized sport of golf. Will you actually be out
Speaker 1: there playing amongst the celebrities and stars.
Speaker 2: No, I will not be taking part in any of
Speaker 2: the golf on the course. I'll be doing driving rain stuff.
Speaker 2: So maybe I'll take a few cracks at the uh
Speaker 2: what is it the white ball?
Speaker 1: The white ball? Yeah? I demand since you've been doing
Speaker 1: some Instagram story stuff for us. By the way, follow
Speaker 1: us on Instagram. We're doing stories now. Yeah, I will
Speaker 1: get in on the fun, I promise you. But in
Speaker 1: the meantime, while you're out there, I demand that we
Speaker 1: at least get some sort of video evidence of your
Speaker 1: golf swing.
Speaker 2: Oh. I can play golf.
Speaker 1: I know you can play, but we'd like to see
Speaker 1: it as interact. I can do that third part. Please
Speaker 1: take a video and post it on the Instagram story.
Speaker 2: Do you know who I think is out here? Ty?
Speaker 2: I believe I saw his name on the list. Doesn't
Speaker 2: mean for sure he's going to be here. Sometimes things
Speaker 2: can come up. Brian Kelly, No, great, believe Brian Piot
Speaker 2: about here. I'm going to do my very best to
Speaker 2: get him on the solid verbal Instagram story account. Do it.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm going to try to do. Follow solid
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Speaker 1: So you're at Lake Tahoe. Yeah, the scenery here is
Speaker 1: decidedly different. They're actually doing some utility work outside the
Speaker 1: studio window here, and there's a jackhammer that's been going
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Speaker 2: I'd take it so right now.
Speaker 1: What I've got is a series of blankets draped over
Speaker 1: my window in hopes of maybe deadening the sound. It
Speaker 1: looks like I've configured a kill room.
Speaker 2: Dan, I've been hearing Ed Sheeran and Bruno Mars and
Speaker 2: Lana del Rey at a very loud volume at the
Speaker 2: pool outside. So I would still take yours also, Ty,
Speaker 2: I realize something this is unrelated, but I want you
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Speaker 2: How fast do you listen to your podcasts.
Speaker 1: I usually go about one point twenty five on my
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Speaker 2: Here's what I want from you. I want you to
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Speaker 1: I can't do this any longer, Dan, I'm dying here now.
Speaker 2: I know. I just listen. We're forcing people in. Screw you, Overcast.
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Speaker 1: that ourverbawlers can go to and you know, secure us
Speaker 1: behind our backs. I'm sure they'll enjoy that as well. Yep,
Speaker 1: what are we doing tonight? Dan, you're out in Tahoe.
Speaker 1: I'm back here in eastern Pennsylvania. Typically in a situation
Speaker 1: like this, we'll just punt on the show. We'll say, now,
Speaker 1: we're not going to do it this week, too difficult. Correct,
Speaker 1: we have figured out the logistics of how we're going
Speaker 1: to do this show, and we're going back to the well,
Speaker 1: putting a little bit of a different spin on a
Speaker 1: concept we trotted out for the first time last summer.
Speaker 1: And you know, we could sort of call it, let's
Speaker 1: make a deal if we want. In reality, it's kind
Speaker 1: of not that we're gonna do some heads up matchups.
Speaker 1: We're going to pose some propositions to each other, and
Speaker 1: not in the way you'd think. These are entirely college football,
Speaker 1: I promise, And we're going to talk through some situations
Speaker 1: we could see coming down the pike here in the
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen college football season. Correct, and we're going to
Speaker 1: pick which side of things you and I would feel
Speaker 1: more comfortable with.
Speaker 2: This is true, and I don't think we're always going
Speaker 2: to come down on the same side. I don't think
Speaker 2: we're always going to agree. But that's okay, Ty. It's
Speaker 2: about competing. I have Yogi Roth in the back of
Speaker 2: my head. It's about competing. It's about finding who you are,
Speaker 2: and it's about moving forward. And you know what, Ty,
Speaker 2: if this show is a show in which we start
Speaker 2: to butt heads and we start to go at each other,
Speaker 2: I want you to know in advance that I have
Speaker 2: contacted a foreign entity and have conducted a bit of opposition. Right,
Speaker 2: all right, just watch yourself Tie.
Speaker 1: First topic, we have a heads up matchup, Dan, which
Speaker 1: side of the equation do you fall on? Siday, We've
Speaker 1: got the total number of Oklahoma Sooners wins in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: On side B, we have the number of Big Twelve
Speaker 1: coaches returning for the twenty eighteen season. So this is
Speaker 1: a good one. I like this one. The Vegas over
Speaker 1: under currently for Oklahoma football wins sits at exactly ten.
Speaker 1: In this case, if Oklahoma wins all ten games, obviously
Speaker 1: they would at worst be a push. In the situation
Speaker 1: there's only ten teams in the Big Twelve. I don't
Speaker 1: think Oklahoma's gonna win ten games this year, and I
Speaker 1: like more or less, I'll give them like nine wins, right,
Speaker 1: that's not a bad year at all. But ten wins
Speaker 1: new coach, some turnover just seems like a tall order
Speaker 1: at this point. Again, snap judgments. We haven't done any
Speaker 1: deep dive of any of these teams, but ten wins
Speaker 1: for me new situation feels like a bit of a stretch.
Speaker 1: So with that in mind, if I'm saying nine wins
Speaker 1: for Oklahoma, we'd have to retain all ten coaches in
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve in order for the Big twelve side
Speaker 1: of this to win. So I think I'm going to
Speaker 1: go Oklahoma wins over Big twelve coaches returning for twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2: So you're in the camp of there will be eight
Speaker 2: or fewer coaches returning.
Speaker 1: I am, and I went through what I counted which
Speaker 1: ones I thought were the most vulnerable. I don't think
Speaker 1: Kansas is in any danger of losing their head football
Speaker 1: coach David Beattie because he actually did a half theas
Speaker 1: in job last year.
Speaker 2: Could regrets, but yes he did.
Speaker 1: Matt Ruhle's not going anywhere at Baylor. He just got there.
Speaker 1: Matt Campbell not going anywhere. At Iowa State, he did
Speaker 1: a pretty good job La year. Lincoln Riley another situation
Speaker 1: just kind of got there. Mike Gundy, Gary Patterson, Tom Herman,
Speaker 1: Dana Holgerson. I'll even throw into that camp. These are
Speaker 1: guys that, provided the bottom doesn't fall out, in many cases,
Speaker 1: they just got there. In many cases they've been there
Speaker 1: for a while and have done some good stuff. You know,
Speaker 1: Holgerson's always kind of on the fence, but I still
Speaker 1: feel pretty good about his situation. West Virginia should have
Speaker 1: a good year. The ones that jump out at me,
Speaker 1: the obvious ones Cliff Kingsbury. Cliff Kingsbury needs to turn
Speaker 1: some things around. I think they've got a fascination with
Speaker 1: him in Lubbock that he wouldn't be an easy guy
Speaker 1: to get rid of. But the on field results need
Speaker 1: to be there in twenty seventeen more so than they
Speaker 1: have in the past. I'm also very interested to see
Speaker 1: what happens with Bill Snyder, and not because I think
Speaker 1: Kansas State is gonna have a bad year, but at
Speaker 1: some point the guy's got to retire, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And coming off of an off season with a
Speaker 2: pretty serious illness, it doesn't seem like he is much
Speaker 2: like longer for Manhattan.
Speaker 1: So again, if I'm picking between the two, I think
Speaker 1: Oklahoma has more. The smart money would be on I
Speaker 1: think nine wins over let's say eight and a half
Speaker 1: is kind of how I feel about returning coaches in
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's correct. I am going to go
Speaker 2: with Oklahoma wins as well, but I think more comfortably
Speaker 2: than you have it, because I think Oklahoma will win
Speaker 2: at least ten games. The Ohio State game on the
Speaker 2: road early is much more than tricky. They go to
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State, so bedlam is earlier on in November. They
Speaker 2: go to Kansas, they go to Kansas State, they go
Speaker 2: to Baylors So not the most difficult stretch other than
Speaker 2: Ohio State on the road in Oklahoma State, Kansas State.
Speaker 2: It's a tough schedule. I'm going to say, by the way, though,
Speaker 2: before we move on, that there will be seven coaches.
Speaker 1: Oh back, so he're not eight. Who do you have
Speaker 1: as departing the Big twelve.
Speaker 2: Some sort of combination of Dana Holgerson, Gary Patterson. I
Speaker 2: have the Bill Snyder, I have the Cliff Kingsbery. I
Speaker 2: think there's going to be a promotion. I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's Gary Patterson. I don't know if it's whole.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's even David Baty if he
Speaker 2: has another really good year and proves that he can
Speaker 2: salvage something and has earned an even bigger job. But
Speaker 2: I think there's going to be even more turnover as
Speaker 2: the Big twelve becomes a less and less desirable place
Speaker 2: to coach.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so like ten to seven, eleven to seven
Speaker 2: kind of thing. Next topic, Dan, here we go. I'm
Speaker 2: excited about this one. I'm excited. I think we're going
Speaker 2: to get some interesting feedback on this one. Minnesota wins
Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen, the ultimate wild card. Now with an
Speaker 2: ultimate wild card as their head coach in PJ. Fleck,
Speaker 2: they're Vegas over under for wins is seven and a
Speaker 2: half versus total wins by the Iowa Hawk guys in
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: They're Vegas total at least again very early mid July,
Speaker 1: we're talking seven wins, so two comparable teams. If you
Speaker 1: look at the Bill Connolly previews for both of these schools,
Speaker 1: he sort of weighs in that Minnesota is just that
Speaker 1: they're a wild card. He could see them finishing anywhere
Speaker 1: between three and nine and nine and three. And on
Speaker 1: the Iowa side, it's kind of tough to tell whether
Speaker 1: they go up, whether they go down. A typical Iowa team,
Speaker 1: They've got a solid defensive core coming back, but there
Speaker 1: are questions on office. Our passing game was horrible a
Speaker 1: year ago. They need to try and turn that around
Speaker 1: if they want to progress things forward. So Minnesota versus Iowa,
Speaker 1: Dan new coach, old coach, A lot of excitement on
Speaker 1: one side, steady as she goes on the other, what
Speaker 1: do you think?
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, to take a step back, I
Speaker 2: commend you, and I don't even know if you do
Speaker 2: this intentionally, but this is the matchup that gives out
Speaker 2: the greatest trophy in college football. Floyd Rosedale, that's right
Speaker 2: by far. It's just a pig on a stand. It's great,
Speaker 2: and it is that that is life. I don't know
Speaker 2: what that means, but that is life. So here's where
Speaker 2: I come down. I really like the potential of PJ.
Speaker 2: Fleck and his staff at Minnesota and going a totally
Speaker 2: new direction because we know year over year, you know
Speaker 2: it was it was a similar system moving from coach
Speaker 2: to coach to coach to coach for a little bit.
Speaker 2: And I think right now, given the fresh blood, the
Speaker 2: new blood, I'm being very sort of violent talking about
Speaker 2: pig blood. I don't know, whatever the case may be.
Speaker 2: I am going with Minnesota for one reason and one
Speaker 2: reason only. Their schedule is way better.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is.
Speaker 2: I has got a brutal schedule. Minnesota might just be Okay,
Speaker 2: they might. I think they're going to be pretty good
Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen, but all things point to them perhaps
Speaker 2: starting at either four and one or five and zero,
Speaker 2: which is a nice little base to have for the season. TI.
Speaker 2: We don't know anything about Michigan State. We know Illinois
Speaker 2: is going to be bad. They're road games in the
Speaker 2: second half of the year at Iowa tough, at Michigan
Speaker 2: very tough. At Northwestern decently tough as well. You notice
Speaker 2: how I didn't say Ohio State or Penn State anywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 2: talking about their schedule. So I think Minnesota can do
Speaker 2: what they do best, and that's like a quiet eight
Speaker 2: and four, nine to three type of season, whereas with
Speaker 2: Iowa's schedule being less than ideal, starting with a very
Speaker 2: tough group of five team in Wyoming going to Iowa
Speaker 2: State and Alasico getting Penn State pretty early on traveling
Speaker 2: to Michigan State. We don't know Wisconsin on the road,
Speaker 2: Nebraska on the road two out of three weeks to
Speaker 2: finish the season. It's a tough year for Iowa scheduling wise.
Speaker 2: With a new offensive coordinator, it's going to be a
Speaker 2: relatively similar offense. But schedule alone, I'm taking Minnesota to
Speaker 2: take home not just the Floyda Rosedale, but also this
Speaker 2: competition I go. I think they go above seven and
Speaker 2: a half, and Iowa I'm not so sure.
Speaker 1: Iowa's schedule is decidedly more difficult than Minnesota. The thing
Speaker 1: that both schedules share is that the back half of
Speaker 1: the schedule for both is somewhat loaded, something of a
Speaker 1: murderer's row, And in both cases, I would venture a
Speaker 1: guess that a game earlier ish in the season for
Speaker 1: both against Michigan State is sort of going to be
Speaker 1: the bell weather. As I will get Minnesota's schedule, I
Speaker 1: can very easily see a win over Buffalo and Oregon
Speaker 1: State and Middle Tennessee and Maryland and Purdue even throw
Speaker 1: Illinois in there. Why not Michigan State. I don't know
Speaker 1: what to expect that at Michigan State. Michigan State's kind
Speaker 1: of in a weird rebuild for the second year in
Speaker 1: a row. And then after that you go to Iowa
Speaker 1: to Michigan home against Nebraska to Northwestern, which is a
Speaker 1: weird place to play, and then close out the year
Speaker 1: against Wisconsin. You could craft a scenario or Minnesota goes
Speaker 1: zero to five in its final five games. I still
Speaker 1: think I feel better about them than I do Iowa.
Speaker 1: But Iowa has fooled me before, so I don't think
Speaker 1: as a talking to your kids about Iowa kind of year.
Speaker 1: But it wouldn't be beyond them at all to just
Speaker 1: win with a solid running game and a pretty good defense.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm interested in, time, and this is
Speaker 2: going to sound a little bit strange. I'm interested in
Speaker 2: the Hideo Nomo factory off of these teams. Do you
Speaker 2: remember Hydeo Nomo?
Speaker 1: How could I ever forget what.
Speaker 2: Was unique about Hideo Nomo's game? His wind up, crazy
Speaker 2: wind up, sure, and early on in his career, hitters
Speaker 2: just couldn't figure it out. And there was just the
Speaker 2: thing like, well, Baseball's going to catch up to him,
Speaker 2: baseball is going to catch up to him. It's just
Speaker 2: so new and so weird and different that everybody just
Speaker 2: sort of struggled with that. I think that factor from
Speaker 2: Minnesota with a new staff, new offense, new defense, familiar
Speaker 2: faces obviously, but new schemes, new attitude, whatever, and coming
Speaker 2: off of a very strange back half of the year,
Speaker 2: given everything that happened off the field, you know, it's
Speaker 2: a fresh start for the Gophers. I think the Hitdeo
Speaker 2: Nomo factor for Minnesota is higher, although I think it
Speaker 2: still exists with Iowa because the new offense. But I
Speaker 2: see Iowa even with returning star power in the backfield.
Speaker 2: I think you and I both love Akrom Wadley. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think the Hideo Nomo factor favors Minnesota. So I'm
Speaker 2: going with the Gulf.
Speaker 1: We're chock full of baseball analogies as it relates to
Speaker 1: the big time.
Speaker 2: I loved Hideo Nomo. I loved Well.
Speaker 1: You were a Dodgers fan too, you still are, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I could certainly see why he'd be a big deal.
Speaker 1: Who wasn't a Hideo Nomo fan?
Speaker 2: Absolutely well. I mean, you were a Yankees fan and
Speaker 2: you had you had a bunch of Japanese imports. Maybe
Speaker 2: that played a little bit an unorthodox way.
Speaker 1: Hideo Nomo was no Hideki rob Who mind you, but
Speaker 1: he was still pretty good and exciting to watch. But
Speaker 1: we've used the Hideo Nomo factor in the Big Ten West.
Speaker 1: We've also compared playing in Evanston to trying to hit
Speaker 1: a knuckleballer at some point in our past. So Big
Speaker 1: Ten West should be an interesting year. I think it
Speaker 1: overall improves. I am gonna go in Minnesota here over Iowa?
Speaker 2: Who would you say? And I'm totally putting you on
Speaker 2: the spot. Here has the biggest, the most robust and
Speaker 2: dynamic Hideo Nomo fan situation going into the season. Is
Speaker 2: it Oklahoma with a new emergent not emergency but last
Speaker 2: minute coaching change? Is it's who is it? I mean
Speaker 2: Alabama new offense and replacing a bunch of assistants. I
Speaker 2: think the clumbson quarterback? You know, I mean the easy
Speaker 2: answer is probably Navy football. You could use that one
Speaker 2: every year.
Speaker 1: The problem is that Navy football doesn't have quite the
Speaker 1: same Hedeonomo factor because they've been doing it successfully yeah,
Speaker 1: for a number of years. So it's definitely not a
Speaker 1: flash in the pan once you get used to him.
Speaker 1: I also think Texas could be an interesting answer because
Speaker 1: no one's quite sure what we're going to see from
Speaker 1: the same personnel from a year ago. You can take guesses,
Speaker 1: but in spring game they kept it pretty vanilla. You
Speaker 1: just don't know how Tom Herman's going to assemble the parts.
Speaker 2: You know What's an interesting one to me? Florida with
Speaker 2: Malik's air and how they might wiggle that offense around
Speaker 2: his talents.
Speaker 1: Last year, Alabama and Jalen Hurts would have been an
Speaker 1: interesting example. Again, the problem with the analogy though, is
Speaker 1: that no one could really beat Alabama.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just it's much more saying we don't know
Speaker 2: what they're going to look like at all. Going into
Speaker 2: the Bamas season. We thought Blake Barnett might be starting,
Speaker 2: or he did start against USC. But yeah, maybe you
Speaker 2: know you have the idea Ohio State's offense, there's a
Speaker 2: Hideo Nomo factor with Kevin Wilson taking over Ryan Day.
Speaker 2: So yeah, there's a bunch of interesting normal factors.
Speaker 1: All right, next topic, here we go.
Speaker 2: Next topic.
Speaker 1: We've got two prominent quarterbacks, one East Coast, one West Coast.
Speaker 1: One South one North one. DeAndre Francois fres Waugh from
Speaker 1: Florida State. His quarterback ranking versus FBS teams.
Speaker 2: Rating, yeah yeah, the ranking of his rating, yeah, the.
Speaker 1: Ranking of his rating okay. So for example, he had
Speaker 1: the thirty ninth best quarterback ranking in twenty sixteen. His
Speaker 1: quarterback rating ranking versus Jake Browning touchdown passes he had
Speaker 1: thirty nine a year ago. So if you compare DeAndre
Speaker 1: Francois's ranking of his quarterback rating from a year ago,
Speaker 1: he was thirty ninth to Jake Browning's TV passes from
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, he also had thirty nine, So by that metric,
Speaker 1: By that metric, it's a draw. Here's the problem I
Speaker 1: have with this, Dan, I'm ready. If DeAndrea Francois gets better,
Speaker 1: that number goes down. The number goes down, well, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: proves he could seemingly jump up to like twenty four
Speaker 1: and Jake Browning. All he'd really have to do is
Speaker 1: not get hurt and he would easily win this one.
Speaker 1: So I think the smart money is on Jake Browning.
Speaker 1: The interesting question though, is if DeAndrea Francois declines it all,
Speaker 1: if he has a little bit of a sophomore slump. Now,
Speaker 1: I happen to think that that DeAndre francois pretty good
Speaker 1: and that he was a warrior out there and played
Speaker 1: through pain in a ton of situations. But I've been
Speaker 1: surprised in just kind of perusing the internet that not
Speaker 1: everyone shares the opinion that he's just automatically going to
Speaker 1: get better. There are people out there who adamantly believe
Speaker 1: that he's a good quarterback. He's a serviceable quarterback, but
Speaker 1: that any in all comparisons to like a Jamis Winston
Speaker 1: or any great quarterback in Florida State's past, is ill
Speaker 1: placed on DeAndre Francois. He'll be fine, but just maybe
Speaker 1: not one of the all time greats. On what side
Speaker 1: of the fence do you find yourself on DeAndre Francois.
Speaker 2: I think he's fine. I think he's above average. I
Speaker 2: think if you pay attention to him enough. And our
Speaker 2: pal Buddy about Elliott has talked about this as being
Speaker 2: a major part of the Jimbo Fisher system. He doesn't
Speaker 2: make a ton of mistakes, which is more than you
Speaker 2: can say for a number of huge quarterbacks a big
Speaker 2: schools that sometimes they'll be mistake prone, as Jameis Winston
Speaker 2: was later on in his career at Florida State. So
Speaker 2: that's a big, big item, big factor in Francois's favor.
Speaker 2: I just think he's fine. I think the offense will
Speaker 2: be interesting. I like the running game. I like the
Speaker 2: youth in the backfield the receivers have. There's a ton
Speaker 2: of talents, a ton of depth there. But here's the
Speaker 2: problem I have with just automatically thinking Francois is going
Speaker 2: to improve upon that specific number. He has a lot
Speaker 2: of good defenses on his schedule. They open against Bama,
Speaker 2: they have Miami, they have NC State, they have an
Speaker 2: improved Wake granted without last year's defensive coordinator, thank you, Tie.
Speaker 2: They have a good Louisville defense, they have a good
Speaker 2: Clemson defense. They have a good Florida defense. Late, I
Speaker 2: think it's going to be a little bit more difficult
Speaker 2: for DeAndre Francois to improve. But then there's another factor, Tie,
Speaker 2: and that's the John Ross factor.
Speaker 1: John Ross factor.
Speaker 2: Do you know how many receiving touchdowns John Ross had
Speaker 2: last year and will not be there this year because
Speaker 2: he is a National Football League player.
Speaker 1: A ton.
Speaker 2: I think he had seventeen touchdown catches. Wow, he's a
Speaker 2: special talent. So that number I don't think will be
Speaker 2: matched by anybody or even approached by anybody. So by
Speaker 2: that factor, I still think, just barely, I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: with Jake Browning because I am I'm worried about DeAndre
Speaker 2: France while was rating against this schedule.
Speaker 1: So okay, a point of clarification. Please, If de Andrea
Speaker 1: Francois is the twenty fifth best quarterback in twenty seventeen
Speaker 1: according to quarterback Ranking, Jake Browning throws twenty nine touchdown passes,
Speaker 1: we're looking for the higher number in Jake Browning. Right, Yes,
Speaker 1: I gotta go Jake Browning.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay.
Speaker 1: I like DeAndre Francois. I think he's going to improve,
Speaker 1: but I think this is a tougher proposition than meets
Speaker 1: the eye.
Speaker 2: So I think Francois improves a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And in fairness, he could improve a little bit
Speaker 1: and still sink in this reigning mm hm okay, next topic, Dan,
Speaker 1: did you unfurl your mattress yet?
Speaker 2: I did not unfurl my mattress. I've been on the road, ah,
Speaker 2: I know, we've been cleaning the apartment. I know it's
Speaker 2: I'm a time. I'm a bad person, I'm a bad
Speaker 2: podcast host. This has been long established.
Speaker 1: I've said it once, I'll say it again. My Casper
Speaker 1: mattress has changed my life. I'm sleeping better, I'm feeling
Speaker 1: better about my life. I'm not waking up with a
Speaker 1: dead shoulder next to me on the pillow. It's very important, Dan.
Speaker 1: You know I have shoulder issues. I had surgery on
Speaker 1: my left shoulder many moons ago. I don't have to
Speaker 1: worry about waking up looking at it like it's a
Speaker 1: piece of dead meat, like it typically had felt with
Speaker 1: my old memory film mattress. Now I've got a Casper mattress, Dan,
Speaker 1: a Casper mattress has been.
Speaker 2: A pot In what position do you sleep?
Speaker 1: I'm usually a side sleeper.
Speaker 2: Which side.
Speaker 1: I'm usually a restless sleeper, so both sides probably an
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Speaker 2: Next topic, I listen. I'm going to indulge you with
Speaker 2: this one because every single time we do hypotheticals, every
Speaker 2: single time we try to figure out things we like
Speaker 2: or have crushes on. You come back to your alma mater.
Speaker 2: May I ask you something, ty, because we have a
Speaker 2: Penn State item we do, and we made this very
Speaker 2: specific to us. If your fandom right now or not
Speaker 2: even your fandom, your focus were a meter and on
Speaker 2: one side of the meter it says Penn State and
Speaker 2: the other side it said Notre Dame. And so basically
Speaker 2: there's a tug of war happening with the needle on
Speaker 2: this meter right where is the needle focused? Are we
Speaker 2: sixty forty Notre Dame? We fifty to fifty? We seven
Speaker 2: thirty Penn State? Because I'm getting a lot of Penn
Speaker 2: State out of you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it used to be like ninety five
Speaker 1: five in favor of under Dame. I was an odd
Speaker 1: ball and that I was raised in the state of Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: where everyone was a Penn State fan, but my family
Speaker 1: was not. My family trained me from birth to try
Speaker 1: and root for a different team, Notre Dame, and all
Speaker 1: throughout college I had a negative view of the Penn
Speaker 1: State football team because I had been brought up in
Speaker 1: a certain way. It wasn't until after college that I
Speaker 1: don't know what happened, but I softened on Penn State.
Speaker 1: So Notre Dame is still my alpha team, and I
Speaker 1: don't even think it's close. But if I'm picking a
Speaker 1: team number two, it's probably Penn State. It definite, probably
Speaker 1: pens It's definitely Penn State.
Speaker 2: I think if you got a phone call right after
Speaker 2: we finished recording from Mike Kasiki saying you want to
Speaker 2: host a podcast together about college football, Hans Casett, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you you would delete my number so quickly. I might
Speaker 2: do it and even register.
Speaker 1: I might do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so where's your needle right now? If it was
Speaker 2: ninety five to five, where is it right now? I'll go.
Speaker 2: But Saquon Barkley does strange things to men.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Saquon Barkley probably makes it about sixty two thirty eight.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a significant jump.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I dig it, Ty, I like it. I'm nothing
Speaker 1: if not.
Speaker 2: You know who's gonna love that? You know who's gonna
Speaker 2: love hearing this? Mum age all of our friends in
Speaker 2: the pen life comments.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right. I can't wait for that. We need
Speaker 1: to get on that show that we need to play
Speaker 1: that game again sometime soon.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's true. Okay, all right, where.
Speaker 1: Are we going next?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: Where we going?
Speaker 2: All? Right, So we're gonna go total Penn State. Heisman invites.
Speaker 1: That's right, there was there, there was an ulterior motive.
Speaker 1: There wasn't there.
Speaker 2: Absolutely total Penn State and anilion. Heisman invites plural plural first,
Speaker 2: and this is about me Los Angeles quarterback. Heisman invites,
Speaker 2: So an obvious reference to CAL State Northridge and cal
Speaker 2: Poly Pomona. Now we're going with Josh Rosen and Sam Darnolds.
Speaker 2: So wow, total Heisman. And it seems on the surface
Speaker 2: this would be a reference to Trace McSorley and Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 1: Right right, Huh. It's interesting you bring that up because
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this and thinking about a similar question,
Speaker 1: maybe not geared so much around how many Penn Staters
Speaker 1: versus how many LA quarterbacks will go to New York,
Speaker 1: but mainly will Trace McSorley join Saquon Barkley in New
Speaker 1: York City. Now we're assuming that Saquon is going to
Speaker 1: be there at all, provided doesn't get hurt. I think
Speaker 1: he will. But Trace McSorley is an interesting one. He's
Speaker 1: an interesting one I think if he goes at all
Speaker 1: but ensures that Saquon won't win unless he has a
Speaker 1: baller of a season. It would ensure that Penn State
Speaker 1: as a team had a pretty good year if he
Speaker 1: had enough notoriety to make it to New York to
Speaker 1: begin with. So it's contingent on a number of factors.
Speaker 1: I think Saquon will be there. I don't think Trace
Speaker 1: McSorley will. I think he'll probably finish right outside the
Speaker 1: running six, seventh, eight somewhere in there. I don't think
Speaker 1: any quarterbacks from LA will be there zero. I don't
Speaker 1: think that's necessarily a knock on Sam Darnold or on
Speaker 1: I guess Josh Rosen. Both could have good years, but
Speaker 1: I don't know if either is going to put up
Speaker 1: the kind of pinball numbers that it seems the Heisman requires.
Speaker 2: Nowadays, you're going Penn State, who has a trickier schedule
Speaker 2: this year, but has an opportunity. They play Ohio State
Speaker 2: in Michigan consecutive weeks.
Speaker 1: Right, that's correct.
Speaker 2: So just in terms of if Trace mcsorly shines right
Speaker 2: in I believe it's later on in October. If he
Speaker 2: shines right both of those games, if Penn State is
Speaker 2: what we anticipate them being, will be on national stage.
Speaker 2: I think the Ohio State game is already on Fox.
Speaker 2: It's a nooner. Though, let's assume the Michigan game is
Speaker 2: a night game, so he will be on display, him
Speaker 2: and his And it's funny that you don't mention the
Speaker 2: pop gun arm anymore. Isn't that interesting? How you stop
Speaker 2: making that reference?
Speaker 1: I noticed these things, ty, Yeah, it's funny how that works.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but the timing is perfect because the schedule
Speaker 2: eases up after that with Michigan State, Rutgers, Nebraska, Maryland.
Speaker 2: In terms of the defenses he will face after Ohio
Speaker 2: State on the road, So timing wise, I don't know
Speaker 2: if it matters that he puts up huge numbers, but
Speaker 2: if he wins and looks good in that back to
Speaker 2: back with Penn State receiving so much attention in such
Speaker 2: a confined space on the schedule, I think there's a
Speaker 2: good shot.
Speaker 1: Sure, I think there's a better that'll make or break that.
Speaker 2: Don't think a combers thing.
Speaker 1: There's a better shot of Penn Staters making it to
Speaker 1: New York. Then you know both Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen.
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen, if you told me that week seven, a
Speaker 1: hole in the earth opened up and he fell into it.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I could see that happening. I just
Speaker 1: don't know what to expect from in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, new offensive coordinator, Hyeah.
Speaker 1: So I'm curious.
Speaker 2: Third in three years, right, Yeah, Kennedy Polamalu, Jetfish and
Speaker 2: Nolma Zone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious. Remember the knock on him coming out
Speaker 1: of high school? Is he coachable?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: I think he is, but I don't know if he's
Speaker 1: done a whole lot to counter that argument. So we'll see.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Penn State.
Speaker 2: I almost think, I almost think trace McSorley has a
Speaker 2: better shot than Saquon Barkley. And that's not a knock
Speaker 2: at all on Saquon Barkley. I just think it's more
Speaker 2: difficult with Penn State schedule, you know, having Iowa, Michigan,
Speaker 2: Ohio State, and obviously he tore up Iowa last year.
Speaker 2: But I think it's going to be more difficult unless
Speaker 2: he is putting up such crazy numbers consistently, and that
Speaker 2: was something he didn't do last year. He had huge
Speaker 2: flash games, but he disappeared a little bit other games.
Speaker 2: I think Trace McSorley as a quarterback in this system
Speaker 2: in the second year in the system has a better
Speaker 2: shot because of the way the heisman is laid out,
Speaker 2: not necessarily because of football talent.
Speaker 1: Interesting, okay, but.
Speaker 2: I'm my gut is to say push. I'm not a
Speaker 2: huge fan of Josh Rosen. With this third coordinator in
Speaker 2: three years, I really really, really like Sam Darnold, and
Speaker 2: I only think he gets better. He's without his number
Speaker 2: one receiver. Offensive line changes a little bit, which worries me,
Speaker 2: given you know, protection issues, but I think he's escape.
Speaker 2: His escapability is enough to the fact, enough to the
Speaker 2: point where I think he gets there. So I'm going
Speaker 2: to say I'm going to give the nod and say
Speaker 2: one La quarterback zero Penn Staters is the most likely,
Speaker 2: but they're both really good.
Speaker 1: All right, let's do one more here and get out
Speaker 1: a little early since you're out there in tok Okay.
Speaker 1: Give you a chance to go enjare the scenery. Yeah,
Speaker 1: here is final quot. Did wait, did you put this
Speaker 1: one in here?
Speaker 2: I must have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't see this one. So you've got Colorado
Speaker 1: wins versus the pac twelve North versus number of weeks
Speaker 1: until Tye says, quote, I'm all in on Brandon Wimbush.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the one.
Speaker 1: So you're thinking one win for Colorado and the PAC
Speaker 1: twelve North, you're.
Speaker 2: Gonna it's gonna happen that quickly.
Speaker 1: It could, It could, Dan.
Speaker 2: After Temple, you're just making a declaration.
Speaker 1: Here's what we got for Colorado's schedule against the PAC
Speaker 1: twelve North. They play Washington, they play Oregon State, they
Speaker 1: play Washington State. Cal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, four games. They every team always misses two in
Speaker 2: the PAC twelve of the opposing division.
Speaker 1: The over under for them this year is like right
Speaker 1: on the number at six. Cal would probably be the
Speaker 1: I think most obvious win here.
Speaker 2: So they're rebuilding their defense, their defensive court and Jim
Speaker 2: Levitt who goes to Oregon. Offensively, they lose safe a loofou.
Speaker 2: But that is a thing Colorado already. That's what they
Speaker 2: do every week. They lose safe. We Loufau comes back,
Speaker 2: they lose safe for a lufau whatever. Steven Monte has
Speaker 2: got a lot of time last year. The problem is
Speaker 2: against Washington, the offense was terrible, the defense was great.
Speaker 2: The defense is gonna be different. I don't imagine Washington's offer.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, Colorado's offense taking huge steps for versus Washington.
Speaker 2: It was a good game, a good win against Wazoo
Speaker 2: late in the year. Cal I think is a win.
Speaker 2: I just Oregon State's tricky going to Corvallis. They're getting better.
Speaker 2: I like Gary Anderson as a coach. I think that's
Speaker 2: a tricky game. I think one and a half is
Speaker 2: probably the over under of acceptable wins there. And then
Speaker 2: if you compare that against Notre Dame, here's the first
Speaker 2: five weeks, because you're going to say this within the
Speaker 2: first five weeks, if you're going to say it at all, Ris,
Speaker 2: Jeff Collins and Temple. I think we assume a good
Speaker 2: defense given what has been recruited to Philly and what
Speaker 2: that defense has looked like consistently over the past three
Speaker 2: or four years. Is that reasonable fare they're going to
Speaker 2: play and Notre Dame has struggled with Temple recently. They're
Speaker 2: going to play Georgia. Is that at home or is
Speaker 2: that a neutral site game?
Speaker 1: That game is at home at night seven point thirty
Speaker 1: NBC Week two in Notre Dame.
Speaker 2: Stay okay, Okay, So there's a tricky game. Boston College
Speaker 2: should be relatively easy, not easy, but manageable. Defensively Michigan State.
Speaker 2: We don't fully know what to expect. Even when Michigan
Speaker 2: State's bad, they still look pretty good against Notre Dame
Speaker 2: and Miami Ohio finishes out September. So I would say
Speaker 2: the overunder would be two because I think that Georgia
Speaker 2: game is everything. The Georgia game could definitely sway me
Speaker 2: as far as your crush. If he looks great against Georgia,
Speaker 2: then I can anticipate a Sunday morning, you know, eleven am.
Speaker 2: I'm all in, baby, I'm all in.
Speaker 1: It could happen.
Speaker 2: I'm ready, baby. Yeah. So what's your final your final
Speaker 2: judgment you said post Temple's possible.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Colorado wins. Let's go Colcorada wins.
Speaker 2: I'll do like Mike McIntyre.
Speaker 1: I'll be a caricature of myself. I lose, but yeah,
Speaker 1: let's go Colorado wins.
Speaker 2: I like the facts that you can be all in
Speaker 2: on Brandon Wimbush. Let's say after week two it looks
Speaker 2: really good against Georgia and then you have USC, NC State, Miami, Navy,
Speaker 2: and Stanford all to finish out the second half of
Speaker 2: the year. For me to go back and say remember
Speaker 2: when you said, but I really think Brandon Wimbush is
Speaker 2: going to be be good for Notre Dame this year.
Speaker 2: All right, there you have it, Dan, Yeah, I have
Speaker 2: one other topic, but this is not a competing thing.
Speaker 2: This is not an either or and it's totally off topic.
Speaker 2: But we are now. It's July eleventh, is that right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: As we record this, Okay, in front of me, I
Speaker 2: have the Billboard Hot one hundred and since you listen
Speaker 2: to music of this kind much more than I do,
Speaker 2: just because you have a radio, and I don't really Yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess I could listen on Spotify, but I'm not
Speaker 2: exposed to this as much as you are. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: give you the top five, okay, okay, that are currently
Speaker 2: a top It's the week of July twenty second, the
Speaker 2: Billboard Hot one hundred. And you tell me what the
Speaker 2: current song of summer is, okay, okay? Of what is
Speaker 2: your job? Here we go? Of the five of these five? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: and if there's one outside of the five, you can
Speaker 2: say it after number five? Is the shape of you?
Speaker 1: Ed Sheeran, okay, a little overplayed like Ed Cheron, little overplayed?
Speaker 2: Okay, So Tye is on the record Love Some smed
Speaker 2: Cheeran doesn't like the overabundance, wild thoughts. DJ Collin featuring
Speaker 2: Rihanna and somebody named Bryson Tiller.
Speaker 1: Not a big DJ Colled fan.
Speaker 2: Do you know that song?
Speaker 1: I do know the song. Not a huge fan. Quite honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't get the whole DJ col Ed thing.
Speaker 2: But number three, Bruno Mars That's what I like.
Speaker 1: See now that that is what I like. Dan, This
Speaker 1: is speaking to you, This is speaking to me. This
Speaker 1: is speaking to me. Bruno is a true performer, a
Speaker 1: Bruno fan.
Speaker 2: True.
Speaker 1: I don't know what else is on this top five list,
Speaker 1: but right now I'm feeling number three.
Speaker 2: Number two is back to DJ Collin, which I don't
Speaker 2: know what he does except for yell DJ at the
Speaker 2: beginning of songs. Whatever. I've heard this song. I've heard
Speaker 2: this song. It's DJ Colled featuring Justin Bieber Bieber excuse me,
Speaker 2: Quavo Cuevo. It's the guy from Migos, Chance the Rapper
Speaker 2: and Lil Wayne. That's number two, Okay. Number one is
Speaker 2: Desposito the Remix featuring Justin Bieber.
Speaker 1: See I'm cool with Bieber as an artist to be honest,
Speaker 1: not like a fanboy, but Bieber as an artist, definitely
Speaker 1: a person and uh way back, I still think I
Speaker 1: give the edge to Bruno Mars.
Speaker 2: Bruno Mars, That's what I like. Song of the summer.
Speaker 2: Unless there's something outside of the top five. You gotta
Speaker 2: imagine dragons you got Kendrick Lamar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean of those choices, let's say, off the
Speaker 1: top of my head, I gotta go, I gotta go Bruno.
Speaker 2: It's not a bad choice. I might go with I'm
Speaker 2: the one, not a fan. DJ Colled, Yeah, guy from
Speaker 2: mego not a fan. It's a pretty good song. It's
Speaker 2: it's a pop hit, Tye, it is a pop hit.
Speaker 1: Give me Bruno.
Speaker 2: This Posito is also really good. Also, I give points
Speaker 2: to des Basito because it's Daddy Yankee and he is
Speaker 2: back from Gosolina.
Speaker 1: I was in Cancun around the time that Gasolina came out.
Speaker 1: Oh and let me tell you it was all Daddy
Speaker 1: Yankee on loop ty.
Speaker 2: Have you heard of the following artists Charlie Puff, Pooth, Poof, Poof, Poof. Finally,
Speaker 2: have you heard of Charlie Pooth? I have, yeah, Okay,
Speaker 2: I have not sewn Mendez. I have lil UZI vert nope,
Speaker 2: Halsey yes, Julia Michaels, yes, James Arthur yes. Wow. I
Speaker 2: don't know any of these people are listen to a
Speaker 2: lot of pop radio.
Speaker 1: I know you do. I know you do. Ty not
Speaker 1: gonna lie?
Speaker 2: What was what was the song I saw in here?
Speaker 2: All right? I think this is all I have. But
Speaker 2: I'm glad to know that you're You're in on Bruno ours.
Speaker 2: That's what I like.
Speaker 1: Song of the summer I'm in baby?
Speaker 2: All right? You sing along in the car?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely?
Speaker 2: Ah, Okay, making sure kidding me?
Speaker 1: You've heard these pipes?
Speaker 2: Dan, It's true.
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