WEBVTT - A Concrete Problem

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tex Stuff, a production from my Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Pay there and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Strickland. I'm ad executive producer with I Heart Radio,

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<v Speaker 1>and I love all things tech. And today's episode is

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<v Speaker 1>going to focus on something that relates to climate change.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it was Earth Day not too long ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and while I did not have an episode specifically for

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<v Speaker 1>Earth Day, I thought it would be good to create

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<v Speaker 1>something within that spirit. And recently I was perusing Scientific

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<v Speaker 1>American like I do, and I saw an article by

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<v Speaker 1>Benjamin star Ow titled X Prize Winners use c O

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<v Speaker 1>two emissions to make concrete and We're gonna get to that,

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<v Speaker 1>and Starrow made some excellent points. I highly recommend the article.

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<v Speaker 1>But that article made me think, I should you an

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<v Speaker 1>episode about concrete. We depend very heavily upon concrete. It

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<v Speaker 1>is the most frequently used material around the world for

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<v Speaker 1>the purposes of, you know, building stuff. It's the literal

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<v Speaker 1>foundation for many of the structures we build. And the

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<v Speaker 1>production and transportation of concrete represents a truly enormous source

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<v Speaker 1>of carbon emissions, which of course are major contributors to

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<v Speaker 1>climate change. And so I thought I would dedicate an

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<v Speaker 1>episode to concrete. Now, you could argue it's not high

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<v Speaker 1>tech stuff. Most of the time, concrete doesn't have you know,

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<v Speaker 1>cool circuitry or artificial intelligence or anything like that, although

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<v Speaker 1>we will talk about the technology that does use some

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<v Speaker 1>of that stuff. However, concrete represents a technological advance, and

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<v Speaker 1>there are some interesting technologies, like the ones that use

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<v Speaker 1>CEO two to help actually make concrete, that we can

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<v Speaker 1>talk about. But first let's talk about what concrete is.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a material that is made up of aggregate,

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<v Speaker 1>that is particulate material that ranges from medium grade down

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<v Speaker 1>to course. So think of stuff like sand or gravel,

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<v Speaker 1>or pebbles or crushed stone. These are loose, small, individual

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<v Speaker 1>pieces of hard material. Now, obviously you can't just build

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<v Speaker 1>with aggregate all by itself. You would end up with

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<v Speaker 1>piles of particulate. You'd have sand dunes or or piles

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<v Speaker 1>of gravel, which is not terribly useful. So another part

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<v Speaker 1>of concrete is a binding agent. This is essentially a glue.

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<v Speaker 1>It holds the particulate together and we go from having

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<v Speaker 1>a pile of sand or gravel to concrete once we

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<v Speaker 1>mix it with this binding agent, which gives that that

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<v Speaker 1>material strength, and the result is something that's akin to

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<v Speaker 1>an artificial stone, but it's one that when it's still

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<v Speaker 1>in its viscous form, you can actually shape the stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Then it will harden and will hold that shape. So

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<v Speaker 1>rather than having to look for a stone that's just

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<v Speaker 1>the right shape, or having to employ a stonemason to

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<v Speaker 1>cut an existing stone down to the correct shape, you

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<v Speaker 1>could just, in theory, make one yourself out of concrete.

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<v Speaker 1>Another important aspect of concrete is that it's chemically inert.

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<v Speaker 1>It is not reactive to stuff, so it's very stable.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have to worry about concrete getting wet and

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<v Speaker 1>then going all droopy. Though with concrete, water does actually

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<v Speaker 1>make a difference, but we'll get to that, because water

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<v Speaker 1>is all part of the system. Now. Depending upon your

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<v Speaker 1>point of view, you might argue that the binding agent

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<v Speaker 1>for concrete has to be cement in order of you

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<v Speaker 1>to consider the finished product actual concrete, otherwise it's something else. However,

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<v Speaker 1>other people are a little more loosey goosey with a

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<v Speaker 1>definitive terms, and they will use concrete to refer to

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<v Speaker 1>materials that relied on other binding agents to hold together, particulate,

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<v Speaker 1>or sometimes they might give a little ground, and and

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<v Speaker 1>they'll call such stuff a sort of a predecessor to concrete.

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<v Speaker 1>The discovery of cement probably dates back thousands of years

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<v Speaker 1>when early people's observed something interesting with regard to their

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<v Speaker 1>cooking fires. So people would dig a hole and into

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<v Speaker 1>that hole they would, you know, build their their cooking fires.

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<v Speaker 1>And those high temperatures from the fires would cause the

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<v Speaker 1>edges of the hole to kind of dry and crack

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes even turn into a bit of a powder.

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<v Speaker 1>And when it would rain, water mixing with that powder

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<v Speaker 1>would sometimes become a sludge that would then harden into

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<v Speaker 1>a stone like material. Now, one source I looked at

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<v Speaker 1>for this episode was a paper titled Concrete History and

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<v Speaker 1>Stories from World Scientific Now, according to that source, these

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<v Speaker 1>ancient peoples used a protoconcrete to start construction on the

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<v Speaker 1>famed hour of Babel, you know, the one that in

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<v Speaker 1>the Bible was began construction and then God said, hey, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't dig how you're building up to the heavens,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm going to give you all different languages and

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<v Speaker 1>scatter you so that you can't taught to each other anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>But according to this paper, uh, what was happening was

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<v Speaker 1>that the builders kind of ran out of raw material

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<v Speaker 1>before they could finish construction, and then they just sort

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<v Speaker 1>of abandoned the project. Now, several ancient civilizations used different

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<v Speaker 1>aggregates and binding materials in an effort to create artificial stones.

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<v Speaker 1>The Assyrians and the Babylonians used clay and bitumen. And

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<v Speaker 1>you might not be familiar with bitumen um, And in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know if I'm pronouncing it correctly. I

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<v Speaker 1>should have looked that up before this episode, but hey,

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<v Speaker 1>let's wing it anyway. It's a petroleum based type of hydrocarbon,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's a If you were to break down its

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<v Speaker 1>chemical composition, you would say it's a compound of hydrogen

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<v Speaker 1>and carbon, which is pretty common. In fact, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>reason why a hydrogen based economy is harder than what

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like. Hydrogen is almost always bound to something else,

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<v Speaker 1>and frequently it's carbon. Anyway, it's extremely viscous and it's

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<v Speaker 1>really dense stuff, and it can be found in pitch

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<v Speaker 1>lakes and oil sands out there in nature. So in

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<v Speaker 1>some parts of the United States, it's referred to as asphalt.

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<v Speaker 1>Though the asphalt we used to pave roads is made

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<v Speaker 1>up of other stuff in addition to a binder made

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<v Speaker 1>from bitamin or a bitumin like substance. Meanwhile, the Egyptians

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<v Speaker 1>and the Phoenicians were using gypsum and lime. Gypsum is

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<v Speaker 1>made of calcium sulfate dihydrate, and it's a big ingredient

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<v Speaker 1>and lots of stuff including drywall, chalk, fertilizer, and modern cement.

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<v Speaker 1>Lime the material, not the fruit, so you don't you

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<v Speaker 1>don't put this in a coconut and drink them both up.

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<v Speaker 1>In this case, we're talking about an inorganic mineral made

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<v Speaker 1>of calcium and various oxides. The Greeks also use lime,

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<v Speaker 1>and they treated it in kilns to create burnt lime.

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<v Speaker 1>Like kilns are an important element of creating cement. You

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't just use this material as it was, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>found in nature. You had to treat it to heat

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<v Speaker 1>in order to have the chemical transition into what would

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<v Speaker 1>become concrete or cement. Rather, we'll talk more about processing

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<v Speaker 1>lime in a bit, because that does play a huge

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<v Speaker 1>part in the production of cement. In fact, many early

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<v Speaker 1>civilizations would use kilns similar to or in some cases

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<v Speaker 1>exactly the same as the kilns that they would use

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<v Speaker 1>to fire pottery. The kilns would reach the temperatures needed

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<v Speaker 1>to quote unquote burn the lime, making it suitable to

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<v Speaker 1>use as a binding agent. Most of these early forms

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<v Speaker 1>of protoconcrete would cure in the air. They hardened upon

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<v Speaker 1>exposure to the air, or, as spinn Thalo put it

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<v Speaker 1>in an article in nineteen sixty seven, quote lime that

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<v Speaker 1>needs air to achieve strength end quote. I like that phrasing.

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<v Speaker 1>Then came the Romans. And while the Romans stole a

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<v Speaker 1>ton of stuff from the Greeks, they also innovated quite

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of stuff themselves, and one of those things

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<v Speaker 1>they innovated was concrete. Now, the Greeks had been using

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<v Speaker 1>concrete a little bit, but not anywhere to the extent

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<v Speaker 1>that the Romans did. And the Romans discovered natural cements

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<v Speaker 1>called Pozzolan's. Actually, I should say that Pezzolan's might have

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<v Speaker 1>already been in use pre Roman times, but the Romans

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<v Speaker 1>really went ham on the stuff. Mm hmm, ham and pozzolan.

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<v Speaker 1>So what the heck is pozolan? Well, according to the

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<v Speaker 1>American Concrete Institute, it is quote a solicitous and aluminous

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<v Speaker 1>material that in itself possesses little or no simentitious value,

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<v Speaker 1>but will in finally divided form, and in the present

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<v Speaker 1>some moisture chemically react with calcium hydroxide at ordinary temperatures

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<v Speaker 1>to form compounds having sementitious properties. End quote. That is

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<v Speaker 1>a mouthful, but in plain English it means that it's

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<v Speaker 1>a material that when ground up into a powder and

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<v Speaker 1>mixed with water and material that contains calcium hydroxide, it

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<v Speaker 1>becomes cement. Like that is, it can bind aggregate as

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<v Speaker 1>cement and form concrete. Actually, I should point out in

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<v Speaker 1>fact I Probace should have done this already. Cement and

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<v Speaker 1>concrete are not the same thing. They are not synonymous.

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<v Speaker 1>Cement is to concrete what flour is to a cake. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an ingredient, it's an important part, but it is

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<v Speaker 1>not the same thing anyway. The source for the Romans

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<v Speaker 1>was a puzzolonic ash, which in itself came from volcanic

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<v Speaker 1>ash and pumice. So the Romans would collect this ash

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<v Speaker 1>and they would use it with calcium hydroxide to create

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<v Speaker 1>their cement. When did they start doing this, well, we're

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<v Speaker 1>not really sure. It wouldn't have been any later than

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<v Speaker 1>one fifty before Common era or B C. As there's

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<v Speaker 1>evidence of concrete structures dating from around that time period,

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<v Speaker 1>so it was definitely at least as late as that.

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<v Speaker 1>It was probably earlier, much earlier. But there's just no

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<v Speaker 1>Roman record that says, quote, it's to seventy four b C.

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<v Speaker 1>And we just invented concrete. Also, why are our years

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<v Speaker 1>counting down backward? Anyway? I'm off to the vomitorium end quote.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I made at least two dumb jokes based

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<v Speaker 1>off inaccurate representations of ancient Rome's timekeeping in terminology, but

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't resist. Concrete would play an enormous part in

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<v Speaker 1>the Roman architectural revolution. In fact, it was such a

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<v Speaker 1>crucial component of that movement that we sometimes referred to

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<v Speaker 1>it as the concrete Revolution. This marked a period in

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<v Speaker 1>Roman history of huge architectural projects, including the famous Roman Pantheon,

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<v Speaker 1>on which was has a dome made from concrete that,

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<v Speaker 1>from its shape, supports itself with no need for additional

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<v Speaker 1>columns or other supports apart from the walls, which kind

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<v Speaker 1>of act like columns. The Romans could build enormous structures

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<v Speaker 1>thanks to concrete, which could be poured and then cured. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the quote process of controlling the rate and extent

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<v Speaker 1>of moisture loss from concrete during cement hydration end quote.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the helpful definition from cement, Concrete and Aggregates Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's dive into that a little bit further. Hydration

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<v Speaker 1>is the mixing of water with cement and aggregate that

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<v Speaker 1>gets this whole binding process going. And I realized this

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<v Speaker 1>is skipping over the modern method of producing cement, but

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<v Speaker 1>we will get back to that a bit later. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about Roman concrete, which uses a natural cement

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<v Speaker 1>with fewer controls, and that meant consistency was a little variable. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So you make the concrete by mixing together water, cement,

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<v Speaker 1>and the aggregate, which forms a workable paste. You put

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<v Speaker 1>this where you want it to go, such as in

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<v Speaker 1>a form mold. So imagine that you've got like a

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<v Speaker 1>wooden box that doesn't have a top and the sides

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<v Speaker 1>and bottom are all removable, So you put it together.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you pour the paste into that box so it

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<v Speaker 1>takes on the shape of the box. Then you remove

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<v Speaker 1>the wood once it's all done. But the once you're

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<v Speaker 1>done bit is important. So the Roman concrete, like modern concrete,

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<v Speaker 1>required hydration. That is, the cement needed moisture to harden further.

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<v Speaker 1>Once dried out, concrete is set, and generally speaking, the

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<v Speaker 1>faster it dries out, the weaker it is. Don't get

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<v Speaker 1>me wrong, it's still strong stuff and it can withstand

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<v Speaker 1>incredible compressive forces, that is, forces that push down on it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in an attempt to compress it. But it

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<v Speaker 1>can also be a little brittle, and if the concrete

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<v Speaker 1>remains wet, the reactions within cement will tenue and sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>for years if it remains moist before drying out. It's

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<v Speaker 1>this process of hardening that is called curing. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>the drying out part, it's the hardening part that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the the end process is dried out. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the keeping it wet in order to get the hardness

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<v Speaker 1>and strength you want. That's important. Um and in fact

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<v Speaker 1>concrete part of that mass is made up of water. Chemically,

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on is calcium silicates are undergoing an exothermic reaction.

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<v Speaker 1>As they interact with water, they release hydroxide ions, calcium ions,

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<v Speaker 1>and heat. The bit about releasing heat is what makes

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<v Speaker 1>this an exothermic reaction. Eventually, calcium and hydroxide ions saturate

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<v Speaker 1>the system and they begin to form calcium hydroxide crystals. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>calcium silicate hydrate forms. The crystalline structures provide seed points

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<v Speaker 1>for further ions to kind of glom onto, and the

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<v Speaker 1>process can grow from there. But it does need water

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<v Speaker 1>to continue this reaction, and as those crystals form, the

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<v Speaker 1>concrete gets harder and stronger. Controlling this reaction falls to

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<v Speaker 1>the rate at which water molecules can diffuse through the

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<v Speaker 1>calcium silicate coating. As the reaction progresses, that coding gets

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<v Speaker 1>thicker and it gets more difficult for water to make

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<v Speaker 1>its way through, which in turn means the reaction begins

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<v Speaker 1>to slow down. Hydration will continue as long as water

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<v Speaker 1>can get into the system and as long as there

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<v Speaker 1>remains unhydrated compounds within the paste. This process can go

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<v Speaker 1>on for days or weeks, or months or even years.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be there for you when the rain starts to fall.

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<v Speaker 1>As long as water can permeate an access unhydrated cement,

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<v Speaker 1>the process will continue. Also, while the reactions release heat,

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<v Speaker 1>this process itself goes through an interesting revolution. Early on

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<v Speaker 1>in the hydration process, the reactive mixture will release a

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<v Speaker 1>good amount of heat, the temperature will will go up

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<v Speaker 1>several degrees, but after the first now fifteen minutes to

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<v Speaker 1>half an hour of the reaction, that temperature starts to drop.

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<v Speaker 1>Then a few hours in the amount of heat it

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<v Speaker 1>releases will begin to climb again, and over several hours

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<v Speaker 1>it will peak, and once you get like twenty hours in,

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<v Speaker 1>it will then begin to slowly drop the temperature again,

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<v Speaker 1>very slowly ramping down. And what's happening is that the

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<v Speaker 1>rate of the reactions themselves changes as things initiate and

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<v Speaker 1>then water it continues to react with the cement mixture.

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<v Speaker 1>Then it gradually becomes more difficult for water to make

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<v Speaker 1>its way to unhydrated elements of the cement, so the

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<v Speaker 1>curing process can be done without having to heat anything

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<v Speaker 1>else up, and in fact it itself heats up. As

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<v Speaker 1>we'll learn a bit later, that's kind of the opposite

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<v Speaker 1>of the actual modern process of making cement. So concrete

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<v Speaker 1>formation is exothermic, but the production of cement turns out

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<v Speaker 1>to be endo thermic. I'll explain more later on this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we've got some more to say about the process

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<v Speaker 1>of concrete forming, and we'll talk a lot more about

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<v Speaker 1>cement in just a moment. But first let's take a

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<v Speaker 1>quick break. Now. I mentioned that if concrete dries out quickly,

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<v Speaker 1>it won't be as strong as concrete that was hydrated properly.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's get a bit more detailed with that, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's not as simple as just you know, drenching wet

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<v Speaker 1>cement mix as you wait for it to cure. The

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<v Speaker 1>amount of water you add makes a difference. The ratio

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<v Speaker 1>of water to cement is important. A low water to

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<v Speaker 1>cement ratio means you're gonna end up with concrete that's

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<v Speaker 1>very strong, but it's also very difficult to work. So,

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<v Speaker 1>in other words, the paste will be extremely viscous and

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<v Speaker 1>you might end up with shapes you totally didn't intend

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<v Speaker 1>and now you're stuck with them unless you, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>grab some heavy duty tools. High water to cement ratio

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<v Speaker 1>means you're gonna have a paste that's really workable, but

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<v Speaker 1>the over all strength of the concrete will be low.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not just how long the cement is kept moist,

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<v Speaker 1>but how much water you use to do it. In

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<v Speaker 1>our modern era, there are other things we can add

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<v Speaker 1>to cement and aggregate to improve stuff like workability, and

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<v Speaker 1>plasticity and strength. But let's get back to the Romans,

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<v Speaker 1>because we've got to get back to them, because they're

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<v Speaker 1>always Roman around. It's a dad joke. The Romans learned

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<v Speaker 1>about the hydration process and produced a lot of concrete,

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<v Speaker 1>at least for the time anyway, They relied on the

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<v Speaker 1>natural cement features of volcanic ash. Many of those structures

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<v Speaker 1>exist in whole or in part today, which is really

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<v Speaker 1>just a testament to the strength and durability of concrete.

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<v Speaker 1>But there was a pretty long span of time between

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<v Speaker 1>the fall of the Roman Empire and the widespread use

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<v Speaker 1>of concrete and other civilizations outside of some uses in

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<v Speaker 1>building in churches and cathedrals, And it may be that

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<v Speaker 1>the knowledge of producing concrete was largely kept in religious

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<v Speaker 1>scents as far back as the earliest examples of the stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>which gave the edge to the clerical folks out there

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<v Speaker 1>over everybody else. So the Roman Empire trips on a

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<v Speaker 1>bananappeal and falls and Europe plunges into the Dark Ages

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<v Speaker 1>kind of. I mean, the history of the Dark Ages

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<v Speaker 1>is actually really complicated, but for our purposes, the secrets

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<v Speaker 1>to cement and concrete are largely lost until the fifteenth

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<v Speaker 1>century when the rediscovery of an old manuscript written by

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<v Speaker 1>Marcus vitruvious Polio, usually just called Vitruvius, rekindled interest. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Vitruvius was an architect and engineer way back in the

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<v Speaker 1>first century b c. He wrote a long manuscript about

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<v Speaker 1>the principles of architecture, and it included a section on

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<v Speaker 1>the production of Roman concrete. So as the Renaissance began

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<v Speaker 1>to bloom in Europe, there was a new interest in concrete.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, Giovanni Giocondo used Roman concrete to build a

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<v Speaker 1>part of the bridge called the Pont the Notre Dame

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<v Speaker 1>in Paris in fourteen nine, which, as I understand it

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<v Speaker 1>is widely thought of as the first example of the

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<v Speaker 1>modern use of concrete, and it was also necessary. The

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<v Speaker 1>Pont Notre Dame sometimes gets called the most ancient of

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<v Speaker 1>bridges in Paris, but this is largely a matter of

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<v Speaker 1>point of view, because it hasn't always been the same bridge.

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<v Speaker 1>The Pont Neuf is the oldest bridge that remains in

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<v Speaker 1>its original form in Paris, but there has been a

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<v Speaker 1>bridge at the location of Polt Notre Dame. The longest. However,

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<v Speaker 1>that Pont Notre Dame Bridge has gone through multiple collapses

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<v Speaker 1>and demolitions and otherwise has been destroyed numerous times, only

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<v Speaker 1>to have been rebuilt. So this is a real ship

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<v Speaker 1>of theseus kind of thing we've got going on here anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Giacondo used a recipe of Roman concrete as part of

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<v Speaker 1>the rebuilding process after the bridge suffered a collapse in

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen ninety nine when the way of houses on the

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<v Speaker 1>bridge proved to be too much for the old structure.

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<v Speaker 1>This version of the bridge, the concrete one, stood largely

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<v Speaker 1>unaltered until eighteen fifty three, So that was back in

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<v Speaker 1>four but widespread use really wouldn't kick into high gear

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<v Speaker 1>for a few more centuries. In seventeen seventy four, an

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<v Speaker 1>English engineer by the name John Smeaton learned that by

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<v Speaker 1>using quicklime as an ingredient for making cement, he could

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<v Speaker 1>make better, harder cement, and later in seventeen ninety three

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<v Speaker 1>he discovered something else which brings us to calcination. Calcination

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<v Speaker 1>is the process of heating up a solid to a

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<v Speaker 1>very high temperature, and the purposes to burn off any

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<v Speaker 1>volatile substances within that solid mass so that you're left

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<v Speaker 1>with a more pure lump of whatever it was you

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<v Speaker 1>started off with. Smeaton discovered that calcinating limestone that had

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<v Speaker 1>clay content in it would produce hydraulic lime. As the

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<v Speaker 1>name implies, this produces a lime that hardens underwater. Three

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<v Speaker 1>years later, an Englishman named James Parker patented a hydraulic

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<v Speaker 1>cement produced by calcinating limestone that contained clay. Engineers began

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<v Speaker 1>building lime kilns, essentially ovens dedicated to calcinating limestone. So

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<v Speaker 1>they were trying to recreate the effect that those ancient

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<v Speaker 1>peoples saw around their their fires, their food fires, years

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<v Speaker 1>and years and years centuries earlier. Now let's skip ahead

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<v Speaker 1>to eighteen twenty four. A builder named Joseph Asten found

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<v Speaker 1>that by grinding up chalk and putting it in a

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<v Speaker 1>kiln with clay produced an even stronger type of cement.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the type of cement we call Portland cement.

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<v Speaker 1>It's named after the Isle of Portland in the English Channel.

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<v Speaker 1>It's where a type of limestone called Portland stone comes from,

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<v Speaker 1>and that stone played a huge part in British architecture.

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<v Speaker 1>Fact it still does. More people made contributions towards the

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<v Speaker 1>understanding and production of cement. But the next innovation I

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk about came courtesy of Frederick Ransom. Ransom

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to find a way to consistently make the best cement,

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<v Speaker 1>which required a new type of kiln. So the old

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<v Speaker 1>cement kilns were essentially vertically aligned ovens. So think of

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<v Speaker 1>like a chimney. You would load this stuff up with

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<v Speaker 1>limestone and clay, You would have fuel at the bottom.

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<v Speaker 1>You get the kiln up to a certain temperature, and

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<v Speaker 1>you would kind of mix everything together, and in between

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<v Speaker 1>loads you might even allow the oven to go cool,

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<v Speaker 1>which represented a pretty darn big waste of energy because

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<v Speaker 1>it takes a lot of fuel to get kilns up

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<v Speaker 1>to temperature, and once you get it up there, it

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<v Speaker 1>takes less fuel for you to just keep it there

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<v Speaker 1>than it would if you let it go cold and

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<v Speaker 1>had to start it up again. And by high to pachures,

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking up around four dred degrees celsius and hotter.

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<v Speaker 1>The result of this process is that the limestone and

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<v Speaker 1>the clay partially melt together into nodules that are called clinker.

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<v Speaker 1>The clinker, once cooled, can be crushed into a powder

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<v Speaker 1>mixed with gypsum, and then you've got your cement. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of stuff actually happens in this process, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to explain more in just a moment, so stick

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<v Speaker 1>with me. Ransom figured out that one way you can

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<v Speaker 1>make a better kiln is to go from this vertically aligned,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, smokestack style kiln to a tilted one, one

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<v Speaker 1>that was almost closer to horizontal than vertical, but still

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<v Speaker 1>on an incline. So the raised end, the part that's

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<v Speaker 1>higher up, would be where you would feed limestone and

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<v Speaker 1>clay into the kiln. On the opposite end, the lower end,

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<v Speaker 1>you would have an opening at the base where clinker

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<v Speaker 1>could pass through, and that's also where you would have

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<v Speaker 1>your heat source that would get the raw materials up

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<v Speaker 1>to the right melting point, and the whole thing would rotate,

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<v Speaker 1>shifting material around and causing it to gradually move down

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<v Speaker 1>the length of the kiln. It was a rotating kiln,

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<v Speaker 1>so you would feed in your mix of limestone and

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<v Speaker 1>clay at the top and at that end of the kiln,

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<v Speaker 1>far from the heat source, you would have the relatively

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<v Speaker 1>chilly temperatures of between seventy two degrees celsius. At this temperature,

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<v Speaker 1>any water content in the feed would evaporate off. This

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<v Speaker 1>is also the end where any gas is given off

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<v Speaker 1>by the process would escape. The raw material would then

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<v Speaker 1>sift down further into the kiln as the kiln rotated,

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<v Speaker 1>and it would start to reach hotter segments. So once

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<v Speaker 1>the material reached between four hundred to six hundred degrees celsius,

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<v Speaker 1>the clay would start to decompose into oxides like silicon

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<v Speaker 1>dioxide and aluminum oxide, and the limestone would decompose into

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<v Speaker 1>calcium carbonate, magnesium oxide, and some carbon dioxide. So some

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<v Speaker 1>of that carbon dioxide would then expel out the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the kiln, but we would continue our journey down

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<v Speaker 1>the kiln, and now the raw materials are reaching around

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<v Speaker 1>six hundred and nine hundred celsius somewhere in that range,

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<v Speaker 1>and the calcium carbonate from the limestone would react with

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<v Speaker 1>the silicon dioxide to form a material called the light

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<v Speaker 1>or B E L I T E, also known as

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<v Speaker 1>die calcium silicate. So this again continues to sift down

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<v Speaker 1>the length of this rotating kiln, and of course it

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<v Speaker 1>gets even hotter as it gets closer to the source

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<v Speaker 1>of heat, and around nine hundred two thousand, fifty degrees celsius.

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<v Speaker 1>Any remaining calcium carbonate decomposes into calcium oxide and more

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<v Speaker 1>carbon dioxide, which again exhausts out the end of the kiln.

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<v Speaker 1>Then the material gets towards the point where the hottest

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<v Speaker 1>section is with temperature is getting up to around four

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<v Speaker 1>hundred fifty degrees celsius, and the raw material begins to

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<v Speaker 1>melt and fuse into clinker, which sifts down through and

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<v Speaker 1>opening at the base of the kiln and falls into

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<v Speaker 1>a cooling tank. Modern rotating kilns recapture the heat from

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<v Speaker 1>the clinker and they use that as part of the

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<v Speaker 1>way to power the system. So if you follow that process,

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<v Speaker 1>you realize a few really big things. First, the chemical

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<v Speaker 1>process to create Portland's cement is an endothermic reaction, meaning

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<v Speaker 1>you actually have to add heat to make this reaction happen.

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<v Speaker 1>And we contrast to that to the two concrete curing

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<v Speaker 1>that's an exothermic reaction. It gives off heat. You also

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<v Speaker 1>probably heard there are a couple of steps there that

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<v Speaker 1>involve a release of carbon dot oxide in this chemical process.

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<v Speaker 1>That's one of the big byproducts of cement production carbon dioxide.

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<v Speaker 1>But it doesn't stop there. We also have to consider

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<v Speaker 1>the whole system, not just what gets produced through this

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<v Speaker 1>chemical reaction. So to power the kilns, I mean to

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<v Speaker 1>make the heat, we need fuel and that tends to

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<v Speaker 1>be fossil fuels, and burning fossil fuels also produces carbon

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<v Speaker 1>dioxide emissions. So cement production contributes a significant amount of

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<v Speaker 1>CEO two emissions, both in the chemical process itself of

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<v Speaker 1>cement becoming cement and also the fossil fuels that you

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<v Speaker 1>need to burn in order to create the heat to

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<v Speaker 1>get this reaction going. In fact, global cement production accounts

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<v Speaker 1>for about five percent of all CEO two emissions, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a staggering amount for one specific process. And when

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<v Speaker 1>you factor into the equation other considerations, like the fact

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<v Speaker 1>you still have to transport the cement to wherever it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be used, you start to see how our

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<v Speaker 1>dependence upon cement and concrete becomes challenging. Now, let's get

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<v Speaker 1>some stuff straight. Concrete is incredibly useful and and important.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, without concrete, there'd be no way to build

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<v Speaker 1>stable structures beyond a few stories, which would mean that

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<v Speaker 1>we would have to sprawl out even more than we

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<v Speaker 1>already do. And I should also add that the fact

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<v Speaker 1>we can build really tall structures like skyscrapers isn't just

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<v Speaker 1>due to concrete. You see, concrete does have incredible compressive strength,

0:28:11.720 --> 0:28:15.360
<v Speaker 1>that is, it can hold a ton of weight literally

0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:17.520
<v Speaker 1>can hold a ton of weight, tons and tons of weight,

0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:21.840
<v Speaker 1>but doesn't have great tensile strength. If you build a

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<v Speaker 1>very tall structure and you only use concrete, you're asking

0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:30.040
<v Speaker 1>for trouble because something like really high winds or an

0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:34.280
<v Speaker 1>earthquake could cause monumental damage and even total collapse. But

0:28:34.440 --> 0:28:36.359
<v Speaker 1>fortunately we have a lot of people to thank for

0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:40.440
<v Speaker 1>creating more resilient ways to use concrete. One of those

0:28:40.480 --> 0:28:45.320
<v Speaker 1>people was a nineteenth century gardener in France named Joseph Monnier.

0:28:45.960 --> 0:28:49.440
<v Speaker 1>He wanted to create a more durable flower pot. Then

0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:52.719
<v Speaker 1>he began to experiment with concrete set around an iron

0:28:52.920 --> 0:28:58.120
<v Speaker 1>mesh frame. He created iron reinforced concrete or ferro concrete.

0:28:58.480 --> 0:29:02.000
<v Speaker 1>A lot of other people would build literally upon that idea,

0:29:02.440 --> 0:29:05.440
<v Speaker 1>giving us stuff like the lovely rebar that gives more

0:29:05.480 --> 0:29:10.560
<v Speaker 1>tensile strength to concrete. So concrete is really handy stuff.

0:29:10.600 --> 0:29:14.080
<v Speaker 1>It's one of the big innovations that has supported urbanization

0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:18.000
<v Speaker 1>and industrialization. So it is not easy to say we

0:29:18.000 --> 0:29:21.960
<v Speaker 1>should give up on concrete due to carbon emissions. However,

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time, humans are producing a lot of cement.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty the estimated global production was around four point

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<v Speaker 1>one billion tons of the stuff, and every ton of

0:29:33.640 --> 0:29:37.920
<v Speaker 1>cement creates nine ms of c O two emissions, which

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<v Speaker 1>is around one four pounds of carbon dioxide per ton

0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:47.040
<v Speaker 1>of cement. So that would mean in cement production dumped

0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:51.960
<v Speaker 1>around three point seven trillion ms or eight trillion pounds

0:29:51.960 --> 0:29:55.360
<v Speaker 1>of c O two into the atmosphere. And again that's

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<v Speaker 1>just figuring in the production of cement, not the transportation

0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:02.160
<v Speaker 1>or anything like that. And keep in mind might have

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<v Speaker 1>actually seen more cement production than we did had there

0:30:05.600 --> 0:30:08.960
<v Speaker 1>not been a pandemic. The four point one billion tons

0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:14.360
<v Speaker 1>figure has remained fairly consistent since around but back in

0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:18.320
<v Speaker 1>the industry actually produced an estimated four point two billion tons,

0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:20.680
<v Speaker 1>so we're not likely to see this number go down

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<v Speaker 1>anytime soon. And there are other parts of concrete production

0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:27.880
<v Speaker 1>that contribute to CEO two emissions, it's just that the

0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:33.040
<v Speaker 1>manufacturing of cement represents by far the largest contributor. All Right,

0:30:33.480 --> 0:30:35.840
<v Speaker 1>So we know that making concrete creates a lot of

0:30:35.880 --> 0:30:40.040
<v Speaker 1>carbon dioxide. We also know concrete is really important stuff,

0:30:40.160 --> 0:30:42.400
<v Speaker 1>and that it's not as easy as just walking away

0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:45.640
<v Speaker 1>from the material. When we come back, i'll talk about

0:30:45.760 --> 0:30:49.000
<v Speaker 1>those researchers who pumped c O two into concrete mix

0:30:49.400 --> 0:30:52.920
<v Speaker 1>and what that all actually means. But first let's take

0:30:53.280 --> 0:31:05.600
<v Speaker 1>a quick break. In two Matt made, the then governor

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:08.920
<v Speaker 1>of the U. S State of Wyoming, issued a challenge.

0:31:09.280 --> 0:31:11.920
<v Speaker 1>It was a competition to find ways to convert carbon

0:31:11.960 --> 0:31:16.240
<v Speaker 1>dioxide emissions into sellable products. So, in other words, ways

0:31:16.320 --> 0:31:19.160
<v Speaker 1>to take something that is generally a negative, that is

0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:22.479
<v Speaker 1>the release of carbon dioxide, and to turn it into

0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:25.760
<v Speaker 1>a positive. Now, presumably the goal wasn't just to create

0:31:25.800 --> 0:31:29.000
<v Speaker 1>a product, but to lock c O two into some

0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:33.880
<v Speaker 1>other substance so that it wouldn't be part of the atmosphere. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Me did this for a few different reasons. One big

0:31:36.440 --> 0:31:39.480
<v Speaker 1>one is that Wyoming has a coal industry. But obviously

0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:43.440
<v Speaker 1>coal is a fossil fuel, and burning coal releases c

0:31:43.640 --> 0:31:47.080
<v Speaker 1>O two, So the optics are not great for the

0:31:47.080 --> 0:31:50.080
<v Speaker 1>coal industry, and it's hard to get around this fact

0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:54.360
<v Speaker 1>that this particular industry contributes to climate change, and that

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<v Speaker 1>in turn poses a pretty big threat to our way

0:31:56.600 --> 0:31:59.680
<v Speaker 1>of life, which is perhaps the most understated way I

0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:02.560
<v Speaker 1>could have put that. So finding a way to capture

0:32:02.640 --> 0:32:05.320
<v Speaker 1>c O two and convert it into something else and

0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:09.600
<v Speaker 1>to make it a profitable endeavor would be a great solution.

0:32:10.160 --> 0:32:13.960
<v Speaker 1>One of the reasons carbon capture initiatives aren't exactly proliferating

0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:17.240
<v Speaker 1>all over the place is that they tend to be expensive,

0:32:17.600 --> 0:32:21.400
<v Speaker 1>and often the output isn't something you can monetize. So

0:32:21.440 --> 0:32:24.440
<v Speaker 1>it's not that we don't know how to capture carbon dioxide.

0:32:24.720 --> 0:32:27.239
<v Speaker 1>We've got lots of ways to do it. It's just

0:32:27.320 --> 0:32:29.480
<v Speaker 1>that we don't have a lot of ways to do

0:32:29.560 --> 0:32:33.959
<v Speaker 1>it that in turn generate revenue. They represent a cost.

0:32:34.120 --> 0:32:38.480
<v Speaker 1>So if you're literally pumping CEO two underground so that

0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:43.040
<v Speaker 1>it's essentially captured down beneath the ground, and you know

0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:45.200
<v Speaker 1>you're not making any money off that CEO two it's

0:32:45.240 --> 0:32:48.680
<v Speaker 1>just pumped down there, it's actually gonna cost you money

0:32:48.720 --> 0:32:52.320
<v Speaker 1>to move the CEO two down there. And businesses, by

0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:55.800
<v Speaker 1>and large, from what I understand, exists to make revenue.

0:32:55.880 --> 0:32:59.800
<v Speaker 1>So generally speaking, businesses don't tend to follow pathways that

0:33:00.200 --> 0:33:04.560
<v Speaker 1>two expenses if they can avoid it, and carbon capture

0:33:04.960 --> 0:33:08.840
<v Speaker 1>is expensive. But if you can create a product, Well,

0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:12.400
<v Speaker 1>then you can recapture those costs, and if the product

0:33:12.480 --> 0:33:15.960
<v Speaker 1>is good enough, as in popular enough and desirable enough,

0:33:16.000 --> 0:33:17.920
<v Speaker 1>you can actually make a profit off of it. And

0:33:17.960 --> 0:33:22.640
<v Speaker 1>now with a profitable plan for carbon capture, you can

0:33:22.760 --> 0:33:26.880
<v Speaker 1>kick things into a different gear. Now, what is environmentally

0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:31.800
<v Speaker 1>beneficial is also economically beneficial, at least in the short term.

0:33:31.880 --> 0:33:35.800
<v Speaker 1>And let me do a quick aside here. I want

0:33:35.840 --> 0:33:41.760
<v Speaker 1>to stress wholeheartedly that climate change mitigation is in fact

0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:46.840
<v Speaker 1>economically beneficial. It's just on a much longer timetable than

0:33:46.920 --> 0:33:51.400
<v Speaker 1>most businesses focus on. Businesses tend to look at fiscal

0:33:51.560 --> 0:33:56.040
<v Speaker 1>quarters or maybe a fiscal year, and mitigating climate change

0:33:56.240 --> 0:33:58.960
<v Speaker 1>on that kind of time scale doesn't seem to make

0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:03.120
<v Speaker 1>economic sense because of the expenses involved, and you're not

0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:08.040
<v Speaker 1>likely to see any kind of you know, results immediately.

0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:10.879
<v Speaker 1>But when you pull back and you take a much

0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:14.600
<v Speaker 1>longer term view, you see the climate change stands as

0:34:14.600 --> 0:34:18.360
<v Speaker 1>a threat to entire regions and industries, and you realize

0:34:18.360 --> 0:34:22.440
<v Speaker 1>that climate change mitigation is the best economic strategy in

0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:25.480
<v Speaker 1>the long term. It's just really hard to get stakeholders

0:34:25.520 --> 0:34:27.759
<v Speaker 1>to look that far out, as we tend to be

0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:31.400
<v Speaker 1>pretty short sighted when it comes to stuff like money

0:34:31.520 --> 0:34:33.919
<v Speaker 1>and lots of other things too. All right, let's get

0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:37.840
<v Speaker 1>back to this X Prize competition thing. Out of the

0:34:37.880 --> 0:34:40.920
<v Speaker 1>competition emerged a couple of teams with proposals for a

0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:44.680
<v Speaker 1>green concrete strategy, and both teams had shown that by

0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:49.680
<v Speaker 1>injecting carbon dioxide into the concrete production process, they can

0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:53.040
<v Speaker 1>both reduce the amount of CEO two that was released

0:34:53.560 --> 0:34:57.880
<v Speaker 1>and they can make concrete stronger. One team, called Carbon

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<v Speaker 1>Cure Technologies injected c O two into concrete wastewater, which

0:35:03.280 --> 0:35:06.440
<v Speaker 1>didn't turn it into some sort of carbonated beverage, but

0:35:06.560 --> 0:35:09.799
<v Speaker 1>rather created a mineral that, when added back into the

0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:14.120
<v Speaker 1>concrete mixture, made it stronger. The second team, you see

0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:17.920
<v Speaker 1>l a carbon Built, injected c O two into concrete

0:35:17.960 --> 0:35:21.400
<v Speaker 1>as it goes through the curing process. This approach reduced

0:35:21.400 --> 0:35:24.600
<v Speaker 1>the amount of carbon dioxide emissions from producing that concrete.

0:35:24.640 --> 0:35:29.160
<v Speaker 1>By now, that's just the production of that concrete, not

0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:33.320
<v Speaker 1>the cement that was used to make that concrete. Keeping

0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:36.479
<v Speaker 1>in mind that cement production is the real issue here.

0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:40.280
<v Speaker 1>The reduction in greenhouse gas from concrete production might seem

0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:43.040
<v Speaker 1>like a band aid on top of a very serious cut.

0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:48.000
<v Speaker 1>It's not nearly good enough. It's a reduction that is good,

0:35:48.480 --> 0:35:51.360
<v Speaker 1>but it's not eliminating the vast amounts of c O

0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:56.560
<v Speaker 1>two given off through cement production. The process does require

0:35:56.600 --> 0:35:59.240
<v Speaker 1>CEO two. That means that you could create carbon capture

0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:03.560
<v Speaker 1>systems and pair them with facilities like a cement production facility,

0:36:03.920 --> 0:36:07.040
<v Speaker 1>so the CEO two generated from cement production would go

0:36:07.160 --> 0:36:12.160
<v Speaker 1>toward making better concrete. But honestly, these facilities produce way

0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:15.600
<v Speaker 1>more carbon dioxide than you would need to produce green

0:36:15.719 --> 0:36:18.920
<v Speaker 1>concrete solutions. You would really need to build in capture

0:36:18.920 --> 0:36:23.759
<v Speaker 1>and sequestration facilities into cement production plants. But like I

0:36:23.800 --> 0:36:27.480
<v Speaker 1>said earlier, those solutions are expensive and they represent an

0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:31.360
<v Speaker 1>economic cost to the companies. It's possible for governments to

0:36:31.360 --> 0:36:35.280
<v Speaker 1>create incentives to reward companies for capturing and sequestering carbon,

0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:38.879
<v Speaker 1>but outside of that it's a tough sell, and even

0:36:38.960 --> 0:36:41.279
<v Speaker 1>the political approach is super difficult because there are a

0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:44.360
<v Speaker 1>lot of politicians who aren't exactly swayed by the science

0:36:44.400 --> 0:36:48.600
<v Speaker 1>of climate change. Meanwhile, there are engineers looking to find

0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:51.760
<v Speaker 1>ways to reduce the amount of carbon emissions released during

0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:55.959
<v Speaker 1>cement production, largely by fiddling with the formula. A big

0:36:56.000 --> 0:36:59.120
<v Speaker 1>source of the problem is that the materials in the

0:36:59.160 --> 0:37:01.600
<v Speaker 1>process of make cement have to be heated up to

0:37:01.719 --> 0:37:06.520
<v Speaker 1>around fifty degrees celsius or hotter to form clinker. Finding

0:37:06.520 --> 0:37:10.120
<v Speaker 1>alternatives to those materials that can react at lower temperatures

0:37:10.160 --> 0:37:12.600
<v Speaker 1>would release the amount of fossil fuels that you needed

0:37:12.760 --> 0:37:16.399
<v Speaker 1>for the process. Another solution is to look at byproducts

0:37:16.480 --> 0:37:20.720
<v Speaker 1>generated from other industries like fly ash and use those

0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:24.560
<v Speaker 1>as additives to reduce the amount of cement production that

0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:26.840
<v Speaker 1>you need in order to make concrete. So, in other words,

0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:29.359
<v Speaker 1>if you are using fly ash to make up some

0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:32.319
<v Speaker 1>of the weight of the cement, you don't need as

0:37:32.400 --> 0:37:34.640
<v Speaker 1>much cement to make concrete, and as long as the

0:37:34.719 --> 0:37:39.120
<v Speaker 1>finished product is as good or better than existing concrete,

0:37:39.200 --> 0:37:42.239
<v Speaker 1>your golden Now. I also didn't really cover this, but

0:37:42.320 --> 0:37:46.439
<v Speaker 1>with the hydraulic nature of concrete the need for hydration,

0:37:46.680 --> 0:37:49.759
<v Speaker 1>there's also a big need for water. In fact, the

0:37:49.840 --> 0:37:54.000
<v Speaker 1>concrete industry takes up nearly ten of industrial water use

0:37:54.400 --> 0:37:57.960
<v Speaker 1>and nearly one point seven percent of total global water use.

0:37:58.320 --> 0:38:01.880
<v Speaker 1>So not only is it dumping CEO two in the atmosphere,

0:38:02.120 --> 0:38:04.880
<v Speaker 1>it's using up a significant amount of water and in

0:38:04.920 --> 0:38:07.600
<v Speaker 1>some areas of the world that might not be a

0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:10.160
<v Speaker 1>huge deal. But for other areas that are affected by

0:38:10.160 --> 0:38:14.080
<v Speaker 1>water shortages and droughts and have a need to lay

0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:17.280
<v Speaker 1>a lot of concrete to build up their their infrastructure,

0:38:17.600 --> 0:38:20.960
<v Speaker 1>that's a huge problem. Water resources are precious, I mean,

0:38:21.000 --> 0:38:25.440
<v Speaker 1>wars are fought over them, and an industry as thirsty

0:38:25.560 --> 0:38:29.680
<v Speaker 1>as concrete production adds more pressure. One thing I wanted

0:38:29.719 --> 0:38:33.640
<v Speaker 1>to close on was a cool technology that uses cement

0:38:33.800 --> 0:38:38.200
<v Speaker 1>products similar to concrete as an ink in a three

0:38:38.320 --> 0:38:42.960
<v Speaker 1>D printing application. These companies are using enormous three D

0:38:43.080 --> 0:38:46.200
<v Speaker 1>printers to print buildings, and there are actually a few

0:38:46.200 --> 0:38:49.480
<v Speaker 1>different companies doing this. One of them is called icon

0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:53.640
<v Speaker 1>Icon has a large industrial three D printer called the

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<v Speaker 1>Vulcan two, which uses a cement based building material which

0:38:58.120 --> 0:39:02.080
<v Speaker 1>the company calls lava crete as the ink. So with

0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:05.880
<v Speaker 1>the Vulcan Too, it's possible to print out a single

0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:09.880
<v Speaker 1>story building. The Vulcan too can print walls that stand

0:39:09.920 --> 0:39:12.080
<v Speaker 1>at a maximum of eight and a half feet tall,

0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:15.719
<v Speaker 1>and the printer is thirty three ft wide and can

0:39:15.800 --> 0:39:19.640
<v Speaker 1>print on a foundation that's up to twenty eight feet wide. However,

0:39:19.640 --> 0:39:23.000
<v Speaker 1>the Vulcan can also move down the length of a

0:39:23.320 --> 0:39:27.480
<v Speaker 1>structure as it builds it and there's no real maximum

0:39:27.600 --> 0:39:31.280
<v Speaker 1>length that you would have, like you could in theory

0:39:31.400 --> 0:39:33.279
<v Speaker 1>build it as long as you wanted it to be.

0:39:33.719 --> 0:39:36.720
<v Speaker 1>It would always be at max. Twenty eight feet wide,

0:39:36.800 --> 0:39:39.280
<v Speaker 1>but it could be as long as you needed, assuming

0:39:39.320 --> 0:39:41.880
<v Speaker 1>you had the materials and the land, like the level

0:39:42.040 --> 0:39:46.000
<v Speaker 1>space to build upon. The printer pushes out the mixture

0:39:46.040 --> 0:39:48.960
<v Speaker 1>at a rate of around five to seven inches of

0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:54.520
<v Speaker 1>wall length per second, which yeah, that's really fast. So

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<v Speaker 1>by laying down lines of this lava creet each line

0:39:58.120 --> 0:40:02.439
<v Speaker 1>is about an inch tall, then you can lay out

0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:05.920
<v Speaker 1>the outline of your wall structure, and then you start

0:40:05.920 --> 0:40:09.560
<v Speaker 1>putting on the second layer. Each layer binds with one

0:40:09.719 --> 0:40:13.520
<v Speaker 1>underneath it, and so then the volcantuo can print a building,

0:40:13.600 --> 0:40:15.840
<v Speaker 1>or at least the walls, you know, the internal and

0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:18.839
<v Speaker 1>external walls of a building. You would still have to

0:40:18.920 --> 0:40:22.840
<v Speaker 1>provide the finishing touches, you know, stuff like doors and

0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:25.160
<v Speaker 1>and a roof and ceiling and that kind of thing.

0:40:25.560 --> 0:40:28.640
<v Speaker 1>But this mixture has the special binding agents in it

0:40:28.760 --> 0:40:32.200
<v Speaker 1>so that they do hold together. And using that approach,

0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:34.240
<v Speaker 1>it's possible to build a house out of a concrete

0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:37.840
<v Speaker 1>like material within a day or two, depending on the

0:40:37.840 --> 0:40:41.360
<v Speaker 1>size of the building. The rapid approach to building durable

0:40:41.440 --> 0:40:44.560
<v Speaker 1>homes could be a huge game changer and help communities

0:40:44.560 --> 0:40:48.840
<v Speaker 1>address problems like homelessness or creating housing in the wake

0:40:48.960 --> 0:40:52.880
<v Speaker 1>of a natural disaster. It's the plasticity of the liquid

0:40:52.960 --> 0:40:55.040
<v Speaker 1>form of the material that makes it really possible to

0:40:55.040 --> 0:40:58.120
<v Speaker 1>go through a three D printer device, and the curing

0:40:58.160 --> 0:41:02.319
<v Speaker 1>process makes it a practical structural material. And I have

0:41:02.400 --> 0:41:06.000
<v Speaker 1>to emit these are really interesting technologies that could serve

0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:08.919
<v Speaker 1>as a huge benefit if put to the right use.

0:41:09.640 --> 0:41:12.920
<v Speaker 1>That's a big if. However, it requires people to spearhead

0:41:12.960 --> 0:41:16.640
<v Speaker 1>projects that aim for these goals, and of course that

0:41:16.680 --> 0:41:19.960
<v Speaker 1>does not change the fact that cement production is still

0:41:20.000 --> 0:41:24.360
<v Speaker 1>an environmentally costly process. We shouldn't forget that while cement

0:41:24.400 --> 0:41:28.040
<v Speaker 1>production is a big contributor to greenhouse gas emissions, it

0:41:28.160 --> 0:41:32.840
<v Speaker 1>is also not the largest contributor. Transportation tends to be

0:41:33.000 --> 0:41:36.839
<v Speaker 1>the biggest one, followed by electricity production. And so while

0:41:36.880 --> 0:41:40.000
<v Speaker 1>it's important that we address issues with carbon emissions from

0:41:40.160 --> 0:41:45.440
<v Speaker 1>cement and concrete production, we can't focus solely on that issue.

0:41:45.680 --> 0:41:48.400
<v Speaker 1>If we quote unquote solved it, we would still have

0:41:48.480 --> 0:41:50.239
<v Speaker 1>a lot of work to do. So if we just

0:41:50.440 --> 0:41:53.040
<v Speaker 1>look at one thing, that ends up creating a false

0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:56.080
<v Speaker 1>sense of achievement whenever we make any sort of progress,

0:41:56.560 --> 0:41:59.080
<v Speaker 1>and meanwhile, we continue to dump tons of CEO two

0:41:59.080 --> 0:42:02.600
<v Speaker 1>into the atmosphere. The quest to create green concrete and

0:42:02.680 --> 0:42:05.560
<v Speaker 1>cement has to be part of our approach to climate

0:42:05.640 --> 0:42:10.040
<v Speaker 1>change mitigation, but it can't be the only part of it. Well,

0:42:10.080 --> 0:42:12.520
<v Speaker 1>that wraps up this episode of text Stuff and our

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<v Speaker 1>look at concrete. There's obviously a lot more we could say.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't really go into the various additives that have

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<v Speaker 1>been developed over the years to change the the the

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<v Speaker 1>qualities of concrete, but that would require a much deeper

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<v Speaker 1>dive into chemistry. And y'all know, when I started getting

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<v Speaker 1>lots of letters and numbers together, my eyes begin to

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<v Speaker 1>glaze over. So we're gonna leave it here for now.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you have suggestions for future topics of tech stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>reach out to me. The best way is over on Twitter.

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<v Speaker 1>The handle for the show is text Stuff HSW and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll talk to you again really suit. Text Stuff is

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<v Speaker 1>an I Heart Radio production. For more podcasts from my

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<v Speaker 1>Heart Radio, this at the i Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

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<v Speaker 1>or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. H