WEBVTT - Some Time With... Lydia Cornell! (Part 1)

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Fanaritos, Welcome back to how Rude Tanner Ritos, and

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<v Speaker 1>boy do we have a very special guest on the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast today. Lydia Cornell played the gorgeous Spanish teacher Senorita Mosley,

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<v Speaker 1>who famously locked lips with Danny Tanner in the season

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<v Speaker 1>two episode El Problema Grande de dj But the word

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<v Speaker 1>actress doesn't nearly capture all of the facets.

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<v Speaker 2>Of her extraordinary life.

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<v Speaker 1>She is not just the beauty who is best known

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<v Speaker 1>for her role as the younger sister Sarah on the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty sitcom Too Close for Comfort. She is a

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<v Speaker 1>woman and children's advocate, an international public speaker on recovery

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<v Speaker 1>with twenty nine years of sobriety, a lecturer at the

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<v Speaker 1>LMU School of Film and Television, and a prolific writer

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<v Speaker 1>who has been invited to share her writings with the

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<v Speaker 1>International Museum of Peace. She also hosts a podcast called Godshots,

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<v Speaker 1>which explores mental health through the true stories of life's

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<v Speaker 1>uncanny coincidences. To say we are in awe of Lydia

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<v Speaker 1>before we even sit down to chat with her is

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<v Speaker 1>an understatement. Faner Ritos, please welcome the extraordinarily inspirational Lydia Cornell.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, it's so wonderful to see you.

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<v Speaker 3>I like, I'm so excited that you're on the show,

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<v Speaker 3>and I just can't I can't thank you enough for

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<v Speaker 3>doing this.

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<v Speaker 2>And also like, you're just a badass, may I say?

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<v Speaker 3>Like, And we keep finding out that we grew up

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<v Speaker 3>surrounded and interacting with people who are absolute legends. Oh

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<v Speaker 3>and you are definitely one of them. So you're so

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<v Speaker 3>no truly, we so wanted to have you.

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<v Speaker 2>On the show.

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<v Speaker 3>And I just have to say I was a fan

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<v Speaker 3>of Too Close to for Comfort as a kid, and

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<v Speaker 3>I never somehow realized. I think maybe because I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>really have scenes with you that, like you were the

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<v Speaker 3>teacher and the Yeah, anyway, big fan, love it.

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<v Speaker 2>You're a puge.

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<v Speaker 4>Your care because of his voice is really bizarre.

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<v Speaker 2>Never anyway, no, no, no, no worries.

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<v Speaker 4>Not only that way.

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<v Speaker 3>You should have heard us last week. She was Andrea

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<v Speaker 3>was sick, I had allergies. It sounded like we were

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<v Speaker 3>like the two old muppets, the two like old men

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<v Speaker 3>in the balcony, Like we love you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys are so sweet cool, Thank you, You're so

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<v Speaker 1>sweet for doing this and the more we find out,

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<v Speaker 1>like we just it's like peeling an onion. We just

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<v Speaker 1>keep finding out more and more cool facts about you,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're like, oh, we could get her on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Be so cool.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm very very excited.

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<v Speaker 4>I had no idea even you know.

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<v Speaker 5>I just think about how beautiful the show was, and

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<v Speaker 5>when Bob Saggett died, I was devastated because I've known

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<v Speaker 5>him forever.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Lydia, welcome to the show. We are so excited

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<v Speaker 3>to have you on. Senorita Mosley. Yes, Ola, I can

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<v Speaker 3>understand it, but I can't speak it.

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<v Speaker 2>That I can read it. Great, if you could write

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<v Speaker 2>that down for me, I'll let you know. Abe, you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to take a crack at.

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<v Speaker 1>This that now we know how you got the gig

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<v Speaker 1>and Senorita Mosley, it's fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it.

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<v Speaker 4>Well.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm old friends with Jeff Franklin from years ago from

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<v Speaker 5>the garage. Yeah, and then he said you you speak Spanish, right,

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<v Speaker 5>because I do. I like to show up my Spanish.

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<v Speaker 4>Wherever I go.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like I wish I paid more attention and spoke

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<v Speaker 3>better Spanish. But from originally oh okay, well that that

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<v Speaker 3>makes sense, So yeah, we'd love to like.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's so much to dig into.

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<v Speaker 3>With who you are, your history, you're acting, you're you're

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<v Speaker 3>you're speaking, you're writing like you're just you're it's you're

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<v Speaker 3>really really talented. And I hope people no, it's true,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I women in this business who really do a

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<v Speaker 3>lot and who kind of take the bowl by the

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<v Speaker 3>horns and go and create things for themselves. I have

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<v Speaker 3>huge admiration for me too, because this business is not

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<v Speaker 3>always friendly to women and to women creators, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>particularly not one that women often stay in for their

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<v Speaker 3>entire lives. And so when you meet women who are

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<v Speaker 3>doing it and doing it successfully, I always like to

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<v Speaker 3>just be like, big up to you, because it's you know.

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<v Speaker 4>You make me want to cry.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm serious, I just got tears in my eyes because

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<v Speaker 5>it has been a rough journey. I mean I worry

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<v Speaker 5>about I really have such love for younger women, and

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<v Speaker 5>you know, I became a mom at forty. So I

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<v Speaker 5>look at you guys, and you're young, and you're still

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<v Speaker 5>you're vibrant, and you're exciting, and you're doing it right now. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I want to encourage younger people to please stet to

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<v Speaker 5>their dreams and don't let anything ever stop you if

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<v Speaker 5>you believe in yourself. But you have to start believing

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<v Speaker 5>in yourself. A lot of women don't. That was my

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<v Speaker 5>problem for many years.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we're taught to doubt ourselves a lot. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think something Andrew and I talk about it a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>Something happens, I think, particularly for women around mid age forties,

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<v Speaker 3>all of a sudden you kind of start going, I wait,

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<v Speaker 3>hold on, I'm not doing this for anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Else like this is there's a freaking.

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<v Speaker 3>I am a different I am a different woman, and

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<v Speaker 3>so I love when and I love to see women

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<v Speaker 3>mentoring younger women. You know, we're so often taught that, like,

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<v Speaker 3>women don't look out for other women, and I don't

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<v Speaker 3>find that to be true. Once we all get to

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<v Speaker 3>the age where we kind of untangle that myths.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, oh gosh, I can't say I love collaboration and

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<v Speaker 5>not competition. We're all yanique. We all love unique gifts

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<v Speaker 5>and to really spend each day in gratitude and joy.

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<v Speaker 4>It's hard.

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<v Speaker 5>It's hard to jump togself when you don't have a

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<v Speaker 5>regular job.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's staying in this business without completely sacrificing

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<v Speaker 3>who you are is really hard, and it's it's not

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<v Speaker 3>always easy.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'd love to start.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, at the beginning, I could just I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 3>jump all over there. I used to try and keep

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<v Speaker 3>my ADHD under control.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, let's started.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's start at the beginning, because that's usually a great

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<v Speaker 3>place to start. When did you first start acting or

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<v Speaker 3>getting into wanting to create or or write or perform?

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<v Speaker 5>When I was five, I got lost to Disneyland and

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<v Speaker 5>I got lost the Sleeping Beauty's Capital and they call

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<v Speaker 5>the police. Who knows what happened, honestly, but I was

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<v Speaker 5>obsessed with the Land of Make Belief, probably to escape

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<v Speaker 5>a very And I love my mom.

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<v Speaker 4>She just passed away two years ago, a very critical, bipolar,

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<v Speaker 4>borderline mother and I I know that's a hot term nowadays,

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<v Speaker 4>but it took me.

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<v Speaker 5>So long to unravel this toxic relationship. And I've had

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<v Speaker 5>a complete forgiveness of her. I forgave her completely and

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<v Speaker 5>I love her to pieces now in my heart. But

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<v Speaker 5>I think a lot of actors come to Hollywood to

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<v Speaker 5>seek the adoration of strangers. And you guys started here.

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<v Speaker 5>I came here from far away. You know, it was

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<v Speaker 5>a dream to be Hayley Mills. And I watched The

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<v Speaker 5>Moon Spinners and Pollyanna, and I thought, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 5>it's like she was. So the sense of innocence and

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<v Speaker 5>the sense of wonder was what turned me on about

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<v Speaker 5>the entertainment industry, thinking it was full of innocence and

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<v Speaker 5>wonder back then. But and it still is, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I have to seek that out. And I love movies.

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<v Speaker 5>I just loved Micheli and I was in every play

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<v Speaker 5>in high school. I had a little theater in the

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<v Speaker 5>backyard with all over the sandbox, and I always got

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<v Speaker 5>to play the boy because.

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<v Speaker 4>All the girls the neighborhood wouldn't play the boy, so.

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<v Speaker 2>I was the prince or you know, oh, I love it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>And I used to create very Shakespearean of you, yeah exactly,

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<v Speaker 3>well reversed but it's close.

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<v Speaker 4>And I used to create poster board scenery.

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<v Speaker 5>And my dad was in the He was a violinist,

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<v Speaker 5>was raised in Shanghai, escaped the Russian Revolution, and he

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<v Speaker 5>was his little boy, raised in Shanghai's whole life wow.

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<v Speaker 5>And he was in the Shanghai Philharmonic and then he

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<v Speaker 5>got into an American a really good music school here,

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<v Speaker 5>not Julliard.

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<v Speaker 4>The other went Phillips And.

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<v Speaker 5>That's when the Japanese invaded the Rape of Nan King

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<v Speaker 5>and they shut the city down and he couldn't leave

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<v Speaker 5>for ten more years. So he didn't make it to

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<v Speaker 5>America un till later. But he played first violin in

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<v Speaker 5>the Alpasa Symphony and I went to see him do

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<v Speaker 5>a production of Pinocchio and he let me come to

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<v Speaker 5>the rehearsals, and I was exploring the stage and just

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<v Speaker 5>the theater, the gauze whale with the light inside, and

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<v Speaker 5>he went in and out of the scenery in the

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<v Speaker 5>set design, and I was obsessed with theater. And that's

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<v Speaker 5>what started the bug. And then I did every play

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<v Speaker 5>in high school. I was a nerd and a had

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<v Speaker 5>very bad acne. I had one friend in high school,

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<v Speaker 5>a gay guy, Dny Monroe. We moved from Scarsdale to

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<v Speaker 5>I mean from El Pasa to Scarsale, so I didn't

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<v Speaker 5>fit in.

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<v Speaker 4>So it was like a really great escape.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was where you started. Was theater.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, well, I was in a well.

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<v Speaker 5>I wasn't in I was in a fellow, but I

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<v Speaker 5>didn't play Tesdemona. I played a male torch bearer with

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<v Speaker 5>long sideburns to cover my with my gay friend Monroe,

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<v Speaker 5>but behind the Semona who's.

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<v Speaker 4>The cheerleader with longlood here. So I wanted to be blunt.

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<v Speaker 5>You know. It was this crazy idea that you could

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<v Speaker 5>escape your own reality by becoming an actress, right, you

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<v Speaker 5>know my motives weren't exactly sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean that I don't know that it's yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's I mean that's what a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>people come here looking for some sort of escape it,

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<v Speaker 3>whether you're viewing it or participating it. It is some

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<v Speaker 3>sort of escapism, some sort of pretending to be someone else,

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<v Speaker 3>sort of you know, when you get to have this

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<v Speaker 3>persona in these creations and you know, well, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 4>Mean it wasn't pure. It was like it was for

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<v Speaker 4>the fun. Yeah, I thought it was going to be

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<v Speaker 4>just right, wonderland of fun.

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<v Speaker 5>And I remember my high school drama teacher, mister Hazel

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<v Speaker 5>time I did the scene from Glass Bannagerie, the opening

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<v Speaker 5>where the brother talks about I have tricks in my pocket,

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<v Speaker 5>I have things up my sleeve, and his eyes were

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<v Speaker 5>looking at me like like I became that guy. I'm

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<v Speaker 5>not like doing gender bending roles. I just happened to

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<v Speaker 5>love these roles where the main part was always more interesting,

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<v Speaker 5>you know. So I'm writing roles like that for women,

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<v Speaker 5>But back then I would he loved what I was

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<v Speaker 5>doing and it kind of fed my passion.

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<v Speaker 1>So what was your first professional acting job it was?

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<v Speaker 1>Was it too close for comfort or was it I wanted?

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<v Speaker 5>My parents had moved to Holland my father had lost

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<v Speaker 5>his job and he was given a job in the

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<v Speaker 5>shipping industry by one of his childhood friends and made

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<v Speaker 5>it the Europe and he had a heart attack and

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<v Speaker 5>I went to take care of him with my family,

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<v Speaker 5>and I began writing letters to all the producers on

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<v Speaker 5>Dutch American TV shows that were in Dutch with Dutch subtitles.

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<v Speaker 5>Had written letters begging for jobs, and then I went,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm going to go to Hollywood. I graduated college with

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<v Speaker 5>a business degree in Boulder. By the way, I worked

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<v Speaker 5>at Caribou Ranch with Joni Mitchell and Billie Joel and

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<v Speaker 5>you know, driving rocks throws to the airport and meeting

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<v Speaker 5>all those guys.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a touch so cool.

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<v Speaker 4>It was so cool.

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<v Speaker 5>It was like I wanted to be in the rocks

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<v Speaker 5>in the music business first as a sideway to get in,

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<v Speaker 5>so I go, how did I get into Holland? And finally,

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<v Speaker 5>once I got back from Holland to La I went

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<v Speaker 5>to dinner with an agent one night. I was new

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<v Speaker 5>in town, brand new, and we went to La Scala

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<v Speaker 5>boutique and we walked in in the front booth. He

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<v Speaker 5>introduces me to four people, Natalie Wood, Robert Wagner, Aaron Spelling,

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<v Speaker 5>and Fred Astaire. They were all sitting together at the

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<v Speaker 5>front booth. I was so starstruck, I was shaking. I

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<v Speaker 5>couldn't I was tongue tied. And then we sat across

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<v Speaker 5>from them on another booth and during the dinner, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>not kidding this happened.

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<v Speaker 4>Natalie would went like this to me.

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<v Speaker 5>She summoned me with her index finger, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 5>I just like walked over there by hygnosis or something.

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<v Speaker 5>And she said, mister Spelling would like to meet you.

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<v Speaker 5>So apparently he likes to meet all the young new

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<v Speaker 5>girls right right here. You're an actress. And I said yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>He says, why don't you come into our casting office tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 5>I meet Kathy Henderson and I got my first love book.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh and I got Charlie's Angel too, like two jobs.

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<v Speaker 4>That was it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so cool.

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<v Speaker 5>It was played shuffleboard and I looked right in the camera.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't realize you don't look in the cap.

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<v Speaker 1>Rookie mistake, right, That's what an incredible meeting. That's that's

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<v Speaker 1>like a fever dream that doesn't even seem real.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well you guys, come on, I went to hear

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<v Speaker 3>your That feels like a feels like a dinner at

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<v Speaker 3>Jeff Franklin's house when you walk in and you're like.

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<v Speaker 2>What, how are all these people here? This is a dream?

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<v Speaker 2>What is happening? Yeah, exactly right.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of parties have in his big house, that house.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, yeah, it's great parties, great music parties to.

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<v Speaker 4>Boys and then whitney Y and Bobby Brown.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, music is always always a huge part of it.

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<v Speaker 3>So what was the what was like the turn like

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<v Speaker 3>the role kind of that turning point for your career

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<v Speaker 3>where you realized you were going to be doing more

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<v Speaker 3>than playing shuffleboard in a bikini and looking at the camera,

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<v Speaker 3>but where we were like, oh, I think I might

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<v Speaker 3>actually like this is a thing, I might actually do the.

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<v Speaker 5>Very next Huggerson And it was I met these producers,

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<v Speaker 5>some of these agents, agents, managers at a party and

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<v Speaker 5>they said, hey, you look like the type they're casting

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<v Speaker 5>right now.

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<v Speaker 4>And they had They managed a young boy named Michael J.

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<v Speaker 5>Fox who was playing a He was twenty one playing

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<v Speaker 5>a twelve year old on Palmer's Down USA, and no

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<v Speaker 5>one knew who he was really. But I signed with

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<v Speaker 5>them twenty percent they took, My agent took it, and

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<v Speaker 5>my other manager, business Menser.

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<v Speaker 4>Took five. It was like thirty five percent out the window.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, and they sent me on one audition three. The

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<v Speaker 5>first one was Blue Jeans for ABC. I acted the

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<v Speaker 5>hell out of that role. It was a stage screen test.

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<v Speaker 5>Didn't get it. Cry Apparently, if you sign a pilot

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<v Speaker 5>agreement to audition for a pilot, you sign seven years

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<v Speaker 5>of your life away. You can't do another pilot audition.

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<v Speaker 5>So the luck was I didn't get that one because

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<v Speaker 5>it didn't go. The second one was Lady's manag for CBS.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't get that one.

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<v Speaker 5>The third one was keep It in the Family too

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<v Speaker 5>close for comfort, and I was late.

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<v Speaker 4>I took a bus.

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<v Speaker 5>I was wearing the draggle, my hair was all like

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<v Speaker 5>wet from the rain. It was raining in La and

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<v Speaker 5>I remember coming in late thirty minutes late in the

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<v Speaker 5>cat and the secretary said, sorry, they've seen foreign to girls.

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<v Speaker 4>It's too late.

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<v Speaker 5>And I started to cry, like you know, just not

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<v Speaker 5>cry cry. But Arnie written comes out of the office

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<v Speaker 5>and he goes she.

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<v Speaker 4>Lets the part letter coming in read, and so I

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<v Speaker 4>went in and it was my third big audition.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, sorry my voice, that's incredible.

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<v Speaker 5>And then there's a line in the script. I'm reading

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<v Speaker 5>with Varcy Carsey and Tom Warner.

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<v Speaker 4>They're in the room.

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<v Speaker 5>My god, right, yeah, ABC execs Bob Stolphy and Arnie Sultan,

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<v Speaker 5>who created Gets Smart with mel Brooks. And then there's

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<v Speaker 5>the captain director and I'm reading with Arnie and there's

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<v Speaker 5>a line in the script.

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<v Speaker 4>That says, Sarah gives Dad a raspberry. So after my.

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<v Speaker 5>Line, my line was, in case you haven't noticed, we're

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<v Speaker 5>two very sophisticated young women.

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<v Speaker 4>So there and I pick up an imaginary raspberry and

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<v Speaker 4>I thrust it at him and.

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<v Speaker 5>They burst out laughing. The whole room exploded with laughter,

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<v Speaker 5>and I turned red and they go, what the hell

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<v Speaker 5>are you having me here? And I went, getting you

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<v Speaker 5>a raspberry? Like you said there and he goes, you

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<v Speaker 5>don't know what a raspberry is, and they all did

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<v Speaker 5>a bronx to here.

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<v Speaker 4>You know that big loud right?

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<v Speaker 5>And what time can you Be's a callbacks tomorrow for

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<v Speaker 5>the network?

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<v Speaker 4>They thought, you know, and then he said he said

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<v Speaker 4>what planet are you from? And I think I said Texas.

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<v Speaker 4>I was so.

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<v Speaker 5>But anyway, the next day was a miracle because I

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<v Speaker 5>read what Ted night in front of Tony Famopolis, the

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<v Speaker 5>president of ABC.

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<v Speaker 4>All the execs were there. I wasn't even nervous.

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<v Speaker 5>I was the only one wearing a virginal flowered dress.

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<v Speaker 5>The other four Callback girls were wearing cleavage and boobs

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<v Speaker 5>hanging out and nipples showing and cut off and I'm

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<v Speaker 5>like a virgin.

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<v Speaker 4>And I read with Ted.

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<v Speaker 5>And they were laughing and clapping. At the end, I

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<v Speaker 5>read with Devrevon Volckenberg, who plays my sister. At the

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<v Speaker 5>end of it, she says, what's your name again? I said,

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<v Speaker 5>Lydia Cordemilov, Corni Lov.

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<v Speaker 4>This is weird Russian name. I have to get a

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<v Speaker 4>shorter name. She says, that's weird.

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<v Speaker 5>I worked for a Gregreek Corniloff, but they moved him

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<v Speaker 5>to Holland and I went, that's my father. She works

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<v Speaker 5>in the interval with shipping company in New York City.

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<v Speaker 5>Out of ten million people in New York ever worked

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<v Speaker 5>for my dad.

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<v Speaker 4>We're best friends.

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<v Speaker 1>What are the odds?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 4>I wrote a movie.

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<v Speaker 5>I directed her in a movie we did together. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>we're like sisters.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh oh wow, what a great story. That's one of

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<v Speaker 1>those one of those god shots coincidences.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yes, we're just school just all sort of lined

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<v Speaker 3>up exactly as it was supposed to.

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<v Speaker 2>That's incredible.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a god I love that term, Like I trademarked

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<v Speaker 5>that term already because it's about synchronous city.

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<v Speaker 4>That's uncanny.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a lot of those.

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<v Speaker 1>So what great training ground to be on a sitcom,

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<v Speaker 1>which is kind of like doing a live play, but

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<v Speaker 1>where you get to mess up and redo your lines

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<v Speaker 1>if you mess up. And that's so you did Too

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<v Speaker 1>Close for Comfort for six seasons, seven seasons.

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<v Speaker 5>Six seasons, and then Ted died in this He died

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<v Speaker 5>in the sixth season.

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<v Speaker 4>So I and I.

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<v Speaker 5>Did five seasons full. We were negotiating to go in

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<v Speaker 5>the sixth. Ted then did something kind of weird, he said,

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<v Speaker 5>I want only well, I shouldn't say this on the year.

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<v Speaker 4>I loved Ted, but he got rid of Nasty.

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<v Speaker 5>You want to get rid of Nancy and you just want

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<v Speaker 5>to have Jim Bullock and another family or something.

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<v Speaker 4>I ran to Nancy and I went to lunch recently

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<v Speaker 4>she told me the whole story. So we're good. I

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<v Speaker 4>loved him, I've learned. I learned everything from him, how.

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<v Speaker 5>To do his spit take, which is like, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 5>learned like every comedic.

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<v Speaker 4>And also I got in a lot of trouble with him.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, at one point, really, I was standing.

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<v Speaker 5>I couldn't look him in the eye because he made

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<v Speaker 5>me laugh or made me nervous. So I look about

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<v Speaker 5>him his forehead and he would yell, why is she

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<v Speaker 5>looking at my forehead?

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<v Speaker 4>He would yell at the booth. I'm like, I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>But event Jody and I do that all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, you guys too, Oh yeah, because we would make

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<v Speaker 3>each other laugh. We would have these stupid bits between

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<v Speaker 3>Stephanie and Kimmy that we'd have to do, particularly in

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<v Speaker 3>Fuller House, and we were all and so it would

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<v Speaker 3>be like just we'd be wearing some ridiculous costume or something,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was like, just look at my forehead, like,

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<v Speaker 3>don't look me in the eye, because if if you

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<v Speaker 3>look me in the eye.

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<v Speaker 2>Where it's all bad.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, a forehead, the forehead is a great place

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<v Speaker 3>to look when you're trying.

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<v Speaker 2>To get it's a good trick.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, that's so funny. You did that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's awesome.

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<v Speaker 5>I got in trouble the National National requires in spies

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<v Speaker 5>to the debt, and they were a thing I was printing,

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<v Speaker 5>but I was actually they gave me pearl buttons and

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<v Speaker 5>the warded lady couldn't do them.

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<v Speaker 1>I was.

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<v Speaker 4>I got in a lot of trouble with Tatalot.

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<v Speaker 5>I was so nervous, and my managers kept trying to

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<v Speaker 5>get more money and I went, no, I'll do to

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<v Speaker 5>show for free. But you know, you know how that

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<v Speaker 5>works when you started write, become a.

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<v Speaker 3>Little well yeah, I mean, you know, this business is

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's a dance between the business part and the

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<v Speaker 3>show part. And and you know, unfortunately the business part

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<v Speaker 3>wins out a lot as opposed to the creative performance side.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, you know it's there, it's always it gets

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<v Speaker 2>a little sticky.

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<v Speaker 3>But like six seasons on a show is incredible. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>that's like, you know, most people, I mean, nowadays, shows

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<v Speaker 3>don't hardly get six seasons, you know, but even back then,

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<v Speaker 3>like six seasons was a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>I forget to be grateful about.

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<v Speaker 5>I keep going I haven't really done my real dream yet,

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<v Speaker 5>which is writing directing. You know, It's always been a

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<v Speaker 5>dream to be a writer. And I can't believe I'm

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<v Speaker 5>not more grateful. I should be really grateful.

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<v Speaker 4>We have a lot fun and then every hiatus I

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<v Speaker 4>did a love I had six love books, two hotels, Hunter,

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<v Speaker 4>eighteen Night Writer, Simon and Simon, Hardball, full House.

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<v Speaker 2>All of the all of the top eighties shows you hit,

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<v Speaker 2>you hit them all Amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>Race Car Driving, Dix Hazard, two hour Movie Crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, those.

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<v Speaker 4>Are the eighties.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so sweet to hear that you still keep in

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<v Speaker 1>touch with Deborah. Do you still keep in touch with

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<v Speaker 1>Jim j Bullets or.

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<v Speaker 4>We just spent two days with him in Palm Springs

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<v Speaker 4>just hanging out. How my boyfriend and I go.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that sounds fabulous. Yeah, that sounds super fun.

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<v Speaker 5>I love Jim. And they named Monroe after my high

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<v Speaker 5>school friend.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to ask that.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, what a coincidence? Is not a common name.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that is so cool. Oh wow, oh I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you still in La Yeah, you're out here. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I living kind of hard to do. I mean it is.

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<v Speaker 5>I raised my kids in Beverly Hills. I raised three

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<v Speaker 5>boys and two dogs, including my husband, and they.

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<v Speaker 3>All Was he one of the boys or the dogs

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<v Speaker 3>were absolutely yeah, yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I had a stepson who had grittle bung disease. I

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<v Speaker 5>love him so much. He's twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 4>My son is.

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<v Speaker 5>Thirty, just through thirty. My biological thing. It was such

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<v Speaker 5>a great household. We have a wonderful time. But now

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<v Speaker 5>I met the love of my life. And he's a writer.

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<v Speaker 5>He wrote Seinfeld, got an Immy wg A wards. He

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<v Speaker 5>brought all those eighties shows too.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. That's incredible.

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<v Speaker 3>So you still you're still very much involved in I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>this business and have been for a very long time.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's incredible.

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<v Speaker 5>There's times I want to leave, but I have. I

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<v Speaker 5>have so much writing I'm doing right now, writing kind.

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<v Speaker 4>Of a spiritual therapy comedy.

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<v Speaker 5>I write comedy about my own complete assholish things that happen,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, things that have happened to me.

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<v Speaker 4>I had some hilarious Hollywood horror stories.

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<v Speaker 5>So the new book I'm writing is called Hiding My

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<v Speaker 5>Brain and My bra It should have been done by now.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, yeah, oh my god, I want to read it.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, how do I get my I want

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<v Speaker 1>my hands on an advanced copy please.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Yeah, definitely, it's just about to be turned in.

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<v Speaker 4>But I also there's some tragic parts in it as well, because.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm, you know, thirty years sober and I had a

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<v Speaker 5>really I found my soul.

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<v Speaker 4>It's funny you can find your soul in a shallow.

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<v Speaker 5>Place like LA because it's got this incredible recovery community.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry, the La recovery community is really it's unlike anywhere else, and.

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<v Speaker 2>We're very spoiled.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the recovery community out here. You go other places,

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<v Speaker 3>you're like, oh man, like recovery. You know, it's great anywhere,

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<v Speaker 3>and you'll find your people.

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<v Speaker 2>But La has just such a.

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<v Speaker 3>And so many creative people, and so many people in

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<v Speaker 3>this business I think too, that are also sober and

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<v Speaker 3>that it there's just such a connection amongst a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people in this area.

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<v Speaker 4>Totally agree. I love yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I mean you're really open about your sobriety

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<v Speaker 3>and you're speaking and all of that, which I obviously

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<v Speaker 3>have huge.

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<v Speaker 2>Admiration for.

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<v Speaker 5>What.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, twenty nine years you said twenty nine or

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<v Speaker 3>thirty years.

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<v Speaker 5>I'll me thirty, but I'm twenty nine twenty nine yeah, seven,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean nine to eleven, nineteen ninety four.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's yeah, that's incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>Congratulations, that's really inspirational.

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<v Speaker 5>It's everything. I can't believe it. I was like a

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<v Speaker 5>radioactive drunk. I mean, I really had, and then one

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<v Speaker 5>day everything shifted because I surrendered. It was like, I

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<v Speaker 5>kind of want to prove this power through quantum physics

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<v Speaker 5>because it's I wasn't raised in a fundamentalist religion, but

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<v Speaker 5>I definitely believe in the power of love, your higher self. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>and it's transformative once you just I title a body

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<v Speaker 5>my old brain out started believing that it was possible

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<v Speaker 5>to be happy and to stop worrying, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So it's really it's it's a common theme on

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast. We talk a lot about how you turn

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<v Speaker 1>tragedy into comedy. We're using that as a way to

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<v Speaker 1>cope with degree for the difficult times in your life.

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<v Speaker 1>And is that do you think that's why you're so

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<v Speaker 1>drawn to writing comedy and performing comedy.

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<v Speaker 2>Time time plus tragedy equals comedy.

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 5>I can't believe you said everything about tragedy turning into comedy.

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<v Speaker 4>That's my entire life. Actually, yeah, and every I.

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<v Speaker 5>Have a sponsor, and every time I tell her, let's

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<v Speaker 5>just look at this as an opportunity.

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<v Speaker 4>You're going to have a transformation.

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<v Speaker 5>Don't fight it, accept it right, accepting Sometimes we jump

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<v Speaker 5>to the solution too quickly, but acceptance is accept where

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<v Speaker 5>you are right now.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not going to kill you, right, and then you.

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<v Speaker 5>Can move into the beauty the transformation, which is to

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<v Speaker 5>see the good around you.

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<v Speaker 4>I really believe love is the physical force. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, I was gonna says it's you know, it's one

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<v Speaker 3>of those things until.

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<v Speaker 2>You get to a place where you.

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<v Speaker 3>Can and I have gone through this many times in

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<v Speaker 3>my life until I learned to be able to get

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<v Speaker 3>to a place where I could find joy regardless of

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<v Speaker 3>outer circumstances. Then I found that once I was able

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<v Speaker 3>to tap into that joy, that then all of the

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<v Speaker 3>things that I wanted for myself became that much easier

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<v Speaker 3>because I also recognized that they weren't in the external,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and they weren't in the things I would

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<v Speaker 3>surround myself with.

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<v Speaker 2>It was all like what am I feeling on the inside.

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<v Speaker 3>I can drive a car and have no money and

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<v Speaker 3>live in a one bedroom apartment, but I can all

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<v Speaker 3>but I can be happy because happiness and outer monetary

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<v Speaker 3>stuff are not at all connected. And like learning that

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<v Speaker 3>sort of thing and like the reflection of that, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's why I just I love listening to what you

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<v Speaker 3>talk about and all that because.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so it's so key to like really learning how to.

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<v Speaker 3>Live in the present moment and that it's that being

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<v Speaker 3>happy is not necessarily a condition, right, Like it's not

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean, Like you can be content

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<v Speaker 3>in the midst of yes, incredible darkness, because you know

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<v Speaker 3>that that is also momentary, you know, God that it's

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<v Speaker 3>all sort of transitory. But anyway, I I, Yeah, this

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<v Speaker 3>is one of my favorite things to talk about. So

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like very excited. Yeah, I love that.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>In the darkest moment of my divorce, when I was

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<v Speaker 5>when my little stepson was going to move away to

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<v Speaker 5>Malibu High and I was going to lose my little

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<v Speaker 5>he was fourteen when we divorced, Jack went off to

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<v Speaker 5>see his dad for the summer, and I'm sitting under

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<v Speaker 5>this fig tree.

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<v Speaker 4>I never knew we.

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<v Speaker 5>Had a fig tree because I didn't look up during

0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:10.040
<v Speaker 5>the whole marriage ring.

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<v Speaker 4>And suddenly, by the end of that year, when my

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<v Speaker 4>life had come to fruition, the whole tree was full

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<v Speaker 4>of figs.

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<v Speaker 5>But I had this amazing revelation that life is about

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<v Speaker 5>the very moment you're in. If you can be here now,

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<v Speaker 5>if you have one foot in tomorrow and one fitting yesterday,

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<v Speaker 5>you're pissing on today. And I suddenly a butterfly, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>not kidding, butterfly started circling me because I was in

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<v Speaker 5>this grief, deep grief. It was almost like a pang

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<v Speaker 5>of heartache over the divorce. It wasn't that I it's

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<v Speaker 5>a love story. I have a really funny story about

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<v Speaker 5>my marriage. It's like hilarious. I mean, I couldn't leave

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<v Speaker 5>my marriage sooner. I was getting too much comedy.

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<v Speaker 4>Material out of it.

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<v Speaker 3>But I mean, I get it. I've been divorced three times.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so much, so much material, you just never ending,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's still going yet.

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<v Speaker 5>But then this butterfly appeared and I started and it

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<v Speaker 5>was snapped out of my internal grief by an external

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<v Speaker 5>It was weird, like I always had an internal transformation,

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<v Speaker 5>but this time, and this is during.

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<v Speaker 4>Sobriety, this butterfly was so beautiful.

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<v Speaker 5>I began chasing butterflies and I was taken to I

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<v Speaker 5>had to go to a Delmar event for autistic children

0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:27.679
<v Speaker 5>that weekend, and they put me up at a hotel

0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:30.080
<v Speaker 5>and I went to the San Diego Zoo alone, cried

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<v Speaker 5>about my marriage, and I started playing with the animals,

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<v Speaker 5>like a gorilla stucker hung out at me, and a

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<v Speaker 5>peacock I sawt like a nerd, but a peacock opened

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<v Speaker 5>its feathers and I'm like. All the toddlers and I

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<v Speaker 5>were ooing an eye against the animals. All the parents

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<v Speaker 5>were on their phones, and I'm like, I'm a child again,

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<v Speaker 5>and I was so in love with this day. I

0:28:52.760 --> 0:28:56.440
<v Speaker 5>stayed so present, and when I got home, I saw

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<v Speaker 5>the one thing I wanted to see was a monarch

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<v Speaker 5>butterfly in person. I've never seen one in person, and

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<v Speaker 5>it was waiting for me at my front door on

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<v Speaker 5>a rose and I go and I realized the universe

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<v Speaker 5>is interactive. It wants to play with us. It wants

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<v Speaker 5>to show off for us. It wants to give us

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<v Speaker 5>our dreams, but we're never present. Where was worrying or regretting,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, and that was like a revelation kind of

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<v Speaker 5>a day.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, they've done these incredible studies about having a sense

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<v Speaker 3>of awe. If you can cultivate a sense of awe

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<v Speaker 3>or a sense of wonder, yes, every day over something small,

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<v Speaker 3>whether it's a bird or a piece of art or

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<v Speaker 3>a sunset or something that you just go wow, and

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<v Speaker 3>you tap into that childlike sense of like that's so cool.

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<v Speaker 3>They have done studies that show that that is a

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<v Speaker 3>huge connection and boost to like serotonin levels and dopamine

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<v Speaker 3>and like all of this stuff. That that sense of

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<v Speaker 3>awe and sort of childlike wonder and keeping that sense

0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:09.080
<v Speaker 3>of play and like excitement about what might be next

0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:12.400
<v Speaker 3>in your day that you don't know about. That that

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<v Speaker 3>is the thing that really is one of the huge

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<v Speaker 3>keys to contentment because those little things are are literally

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like you said, it's by your front door,

0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:24.960
<v Speaker 3>it's by it's the moments that you can find a

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<v Speaker 3>sense of awe or beauty in some of the most

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<v Speaker 3>horrific moments. And it's those moments that like, that's that's life, right,

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<v Speaker 3>is that that those two things kind of coming up

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<v Speaker 3>against each other and how important?

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>I can't believe you relate to that. It's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I love when people relate to this because a lot

0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:45.280
<v Speaker 5>of you know, my.

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<v Speaker 4>Boyfriend's very grounded in reality.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like, okay, but it's kind of fun having a

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<v Speaker 5>grounded person and a very ethereal person in the same house.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that well that's my husband and I. Yeah, it's

0:30:56.760 --> 0:31:00.360
<v Speaker 3>you need those two people otherwise everyone's floating off the planet.

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<v Speaker 3>And also, like I tend to it's those like both

0:31:02.640 --> 0:31:04.800
<v Speaker 3>sides of my brain where I'm like, well, yes, but

0:31:04.920 --> 0:31:07.720
<v Speaker 3>also this there's like sensible, but there's also like my

0:31:07.800 --> 0:31:10.520
<v Speaker 3>woo woo side, and I love my woo woo side,

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<v Speaker 3>but I also love my science side. But I think

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<v Speaker 3>the two are much more interconnected than we give them credit.

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<v Speaker 5>But anyway, by the way, wait, Einstein says, no problem

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<v Speaker 5>can be solved at the same level it was created on.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you have to go to a higher level it's

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<v Speaker 5>spiritual or diplomatic. You can't fight fire with fire, can't

0:31:28.680 --> 0:31:31.760
<v Speaker 5>your alcoholism with more alcohol, And you can't really create

0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:32.640
<v Speaker 5>peace with bums.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's like go to a spiritual or diplomatic solution.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it requires a bigger picture thinking and sort of

0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:44.600
<v Speaker 3>getting outside of your sense of self ego, your own ego,

0:31:44.760 --> 0:31:45.640
<v Speaker 3>yes exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh ego is not your am ego.

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<v Speaker 3>Really, as you can probably tell, we could talk to

0:31:53.800 --> 0:31:56.800
<v Speaker 3>Lydio all day. I mean, she is an absolute inspiration

0:31:57.040 --> 0:32:00.080
<v Speaker 3>in everything that she has accomplished in her lifetime. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>we couldn't bear to cut this interview short, so stay

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<v Speaker 3>tuned for Part two of our interview with Lydia Cornell,

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<v Speaker 3>airing this Friday, and in the meantime, if you want

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<v Speaker 3>to find us on Instagram, you can check us out

0:32:09.400 --> 0:32:11.840
<v Speaker 3>at how Rude Podcast. You can also send us emails

0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:14.800
<v Speaker 3>at howardpodcast at gmail dot com. We love to hear

0:32:14.840 --> 0:32:18.360
<v Speaker 3>all your comments, your questions. We just love hearing from

0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:20.360
<v Speaker 3>our fan of ritos. You guys really make this show

0:32:20.760 --> 0:32:25.040
<v Speaker 3>such a joy for us to do. And yeah, until

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<v Speaker 3>next time, Part two Lydia Cornell, You guys, it's going

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<v Speaker 3>to be really exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>But remember, here we go, here we go. The world

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<v Speaker 2>is small, but the house is full.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm always waiting, like on the edge of my seat

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<v Speaker 1>to see if you screw it up.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like I should have in honor of Sendri

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<v Speaker 3>in a Moseley, I should have translated it into Spanish.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, that's okay. Well I tried okay,