Speaker 1: Pushkin previously on Deep Cover. I think I got a
Speaker 1: message from Columbia Security saying they wanted to talk to me,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh shit. I remember the chief
Speaker 1: asking me, like, how far are you going to take this?
Speaker 1: It said chief, until I can interview Esther Reid, I
Speaker 1: can't clear this tip. I went to get a U
Speaker 1: wall truck because I had decided I'm freaking getting out
Speaker 1: of here. So I went upstairs, packed the quickest bag
Speaker 1: I could pack, grab my dogs, called a cab, and left.
Speaker 1: Would you do it to U haul? Left it here?
Speaker 1: That's kind of crazy. I know, all of it's crazy.
Speaker 1: I was scared. When Esther fled New York City. She
Speaker 1: didn't get very far. Basically, she just crossed the Hudson
Speaker 1: River and stopped a few miles away in Secaucus, New Jersey,
Speaker 1: got a hotel room. She was with her two little
Speaker 1: shitsus Pouchin and Odie, and they were just looking at
Speaker 1: her the way dogs do, as if to say, what's
Speaker 1: the plan? Boss? Like, what is going to your brain
Speaker 1: when you're in that hotel room in Jersey? I have
Speaker 1: no idea? I mean, that was absolute panic. I knew
Speaker 1: I needed to get a flight and so I remember
Speaker 1: I needed vet certificates for my dogs to fly. So
Speaker 1: she finds a vet who basically certifies that these dogs
Speaker 1: don't have rabies or whatever, and then she comes up
Speaker 1: with a plan. She decides to fly to Ohio and
Speaker 1: then a few weeks later catches a ride to Chicago
Speaker 1: using a ride share that she found on craigslist. Your
Speaker 1: life is like one series of ridiculous like yes, logistical
Speaker 1: challenges like your you are on the run at this point,
Speaker 1: that is, that's yes. I didn't necessarily view myself. I
Speaker 1: was still hoping that it wouldn't be a big deal
Speaker 1: and they would might be over it. So I didn't
Speaker 1: realize I was on the run. I just kept thinking, like, well,
Speaker 1: come on, I mean you you you left the U
Speaker 1: haul in front of your apartment and I left your
Speaker 1: apartment like you. I mean, at that moment, I was,
Speaker 1: but I was I should did. I knew I was
Speaker 1: on the run, but I still was thinking I can
Speaker 1: avoid truffle, Like if I could just like lay low,
Speaker 1: this could work out. I'm an undying optimist, and so
Speaker 1: I really did think, like maybe they won't be able
Speaker 1: to find me, just that it would become a cold case,
Speaker 1: and like they would stop devoting resources to it and
Speaker 1: it might have become a cold case after all. At
Speaker 1: this point, Esther was just a missing person of interest
Speaker 1: in a possible case of identity theft and finding her
Speaker 1: it was all about resources, like how badly do you
Speaker 1: want to find her? And unless her case became some
Speaker 1: kind of top priority, which it currently wasn't, well, then
Speaker 1: there wouldn't be much of a man hunt or woman
Speaker 1: hunt as it were. As far as Esther was concerned,
Speaker 1: she was relatively safe. Meanwhile, down in Traveler's Rest, South Carolina,
Speaker 1: John Campbell was kind of at a loss. He was
Speaker 1: supposed to be solving the case of Brooke Henson, who'd
Speaker 1: vanished seven years before. It was now two thousand and six,
Speaker 1: and this whole other thing with Esther read up at Columbia.
Speaker 1: It was just a lead that John was chasing down,
Speaker 1: a tip, a kind of side trail that he'd been
Speaker 1: jogging down in the hopes of finding Brooke or at
Speaker 1: least a clue as to what had happened to Brooke.
Speaker 1: But Esther's trail was getting cold. She fled New York
Speaker 1: City in the summer, and by a Christmas time, six
Speaker 1: months later, John still had no idea where Esther was,
Speaker 1: and he was no closer to solving the Brook Henson
Speaker 1: case either. John's boss wanted an update. We had a
Speaker 1: new chief of police, and he came in and he said,
Speaker 1: where are we on this Henson tip thing? I said,
Speaker 1: We're dead in the water. I mean, she didn't show
Speaker 1: up to give a DNA sample like she said she would.
Speaker 1: She hasn't been back to her apartment. Nobody knows, she
Speaker 1: hadn't been to class, Nobody knows where she went. She's
Speaker 1: in the wind, she's gone. John's boss, the chief, had
Speaker 1: shared some information about the case with the local press,
Speaker 1: but apparently they wanted more details. So the chief tells
Speaker 1: John opened the file and let the press have whatever
Speaker 1: they want. And I said, all right, are you sure?
Speaker 1: Are you kidding because we'd never done that, and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're an open book. And I said, okay, heyman, he's
Speaker 1: the chief. The Travelers Rest Police Department shared what they
Speaker 1: knew with the local press, told them that there was
Speaker 1: this impostor who'd stolen Brooks identity and gotten into an
Speaker 1: eye Vy league school, and for the first time revealed
Speaker 1: her name publicly. Esther Reid. We opened the boat and
Speaker 1: we told him everything we had, and man, they took
Speaker 1: that and ran. This decision to open the file turns
Speaker 1: out to be a huge deal. John shares the evidence
Speaker 1: in the case history, but also his espionage theories, even
Speaker 1: if some of those theories were half baked, and I
Speaker 1: should note not everyone in law enforcement was buying into
Speaker 1: John's ideas. Over at the Secret Service, Don Long was skeptical,
Speaker 1: but the Secret Service wasn't talking to the media John was.
Speaker 1: The point is, once John started talking, he said something
Speaker 1: in motion, a media juggernaut. Pretty Soon everyone would know
Speaker 1: about Esther Reid, and finding her would become more than
Speaker 1: just a priority for law enforcement. It would become a
Speaker 1: reality TV show of sorts, a content test to see
Speaker 1: who could find her first. I'm Jake Albert and this
Speaker 1: is Deep Cover Season three, Never Seen Again, Episode four,
Speaker 1: a very sophisticated gale. So the local TV station down
Speaker 1: in Greenville, South Carolina runs its story and right away
Speaker 1: John Campbell's phone rings. On the other end was a
Speaker 1: guy named Tom Colbert from California. Tom was a former
Speaker 1: news guy, used to work for CBS and Paramount, but
Speaker 1: now he had his own business. He worked closely with
Speaker 1: local journalists. They would feed him tips and then Tom
Speaker 1: would pass the best ones along to the big media outlets.
Speaker 1: Tom charged a finder's fee, of course, and he gave
Speaker 1: a cut to the local news guys. He was basically
Speaker 1: a middleman and Tom he was good at his job.
Speaker 1: Some people called him the gem hunter because Tom he
Speaker 1: found the gems. Anyway, Tom gets this tip from a
Speaker 1: TV reporter in Greenville about the Esther read story, and
Speaker 1: right away he calls John Campbell to get his take
Speaker 1: on Esther. He talked about the potential for being a
Speaker 1: Russian spy going to various universities under cover. It had
Speaker 1: so many interest elements, the fact that it could be
Speaker 1: involved with espionage. That wasn't clear to me until John
Speaker 1: really laid it out and said, no, I really think
Speaker 1: this gal has a different name for other reasons. I
Speaker 1: thought it was maybe just for money, trying to get
Speaker 1: into bank accounts now, and he said, no, this is
Speaker 1: a very sophisticated gal. This was John's pet theory that
Speaker 1: Esther was a spy. He stressed the fact that Esther
Speaker 1: had dated several military men, including two West Point cadets
Speaker 1: and a Naval Academy midshipman and that she seemed to
Speaker 1: be a master at creating aliases and then vanishing. Tom
Speaker 1: was intrigued. I mean, there are a lot of people
Speaker 1: stealing names, but something dealing with espionage spies, that was
Speaker 1: a fascinating, fascinating development and opened my eyes. Tom jumped
Speaker 1: on the story. Within a day or so, he sent
Speaker 1: out a press release. It told the story of how
Speaker 1: John Campbell was tracking down a mysterious con artist. It
Speaker 1: quotes John as saying she's incredibly bright, articulate, and a conniving,
Speaker 1: manipulative person, almost to the point of being pathological. The
Speaker 1: press release also says that Esther seduced several military men.
Speaker 1: It adds quote Reid allegedly has been funded through mysterious
Speaker 1: money orders for years from sources in Germany and Italy.
Speaker 1: She has told lovers she is a professional chess player.
Speaker 1: The press release had a long list of contacts, including
Speaker 1: John Campbell, Esther's sister, and also the Fleischmann's, her ex
Speaker 1: boyfriend's parents. Three days later, Esther was on the front
Speaker 1: page of the New York Post. The banner headline was klepto,
Speaker 1: brainiac id thief scams colleges. The article heralded her as
Speaker 1: a brazen brunette beauty. It included comments from both John
Speaker 1: Campbell and Ian's Fred Fleischman suggesting that Esther was a spy.
Speaker 1: The article ended with a quote from John saying, the
Speaker 1: one million dollar question is where she turns up next?
Speaker 1: And is who? It was kind of like the old
Speaker 1: children's game Where in the world is Carmen San Diego,
Speaker 1: only a version that was spy themed and a bit
Speaker 1: sexed up. The article had some facts and a lot
Speaker 1: of conjecture. It made for great reading. That's what really
Speaker 1: set off a firestorm of the phone ringing. John suddenly
Speaker 1: had to balance being a detective, a spokesman, and a
Speaker 1: dad because he had a toddler at the time. I
Speaker 1: have a little office in the police department, and I'd
Speaker 1: be there for hours and hours an hour, So my
Speaker 1: son's like on the floor playing under my desk, playing
Speaker 1: with his hot wheels in the hallway and stuff like
Speaker 1: that while I'm on the phone with the press. For
Speaker 1: a while, it basically became a full time job for
Speaker 1: so anybody they call, I talked to anybody they could
Speaker 1: get me on the phone, and I talked for days straight.
Speaker 1: The phone rang for days NonStop from reporters, and when
Speaker 1: people couldn't get ahold of me, they just published whatever
Speaker 1: somebody else, whatever I told somebody else. There's all kinds
Speaker 1: of things that say, John Campbell said, my idn't even
Speaker 1: talked to that guy in my whole life, not even
Speaker 1: who that is. You know. As the newspaper clippings piled up,
Speaker 1: things got serious. A grand jury formally indicted Esther. This
Speaker 1: happened in September of two thousand and seven, roughly a
Speaker 1: year after Esther fled. New York City prosecutors charged her
Speaker 1: with fraud and identity theft. They said Esther fraudulently obtained
Speaker 1: a copy of Brooks birth certificate, applied for US passport,
Speaker 1: and took out more than one hundred thousand dollars in
Speaker 1: student loans. And with this indictment, Esther officially became a
Speaker 1: federal fugitive. Meanwhile, forty eight hours the CBS News Show
Speaker 1: picked up the story. They decided to do a full
Speaker 1: hour segment on Esther Reid. In fact, they ultimately did
Speaker 1: two segments, and I want to share some excerpts from
Speaker 1: both of them. Capture the Queen to Night's forty eight
Speaker 1: Hours mystery, the producers hired a professional sleuth to track
Speaker 1: Esther down. My name is Stephen Rombaum. I'm a private
Speaker 1: investigator and I am currently hunting for us to read.
Speaker 1: Over the course of his career, Stephen had chased after
Speaker 1: some pretty serious bad guys, including Nazi war criminals. Now
Speaker 1: Stephen told viewers about his latest target. This is a
Speaker 1: woman that completely reinvented herself from being a chubby Montana
Speaker 1: high school dropout to an attractive IVY League co ed
Speaker 1: able to conn her way into Harvard, into Columbia, going
Speaker 1: to military balls at West Point. She is certainly not
Speaker 1: above using her feminine wiles to get whatever she wants.
Speaker 1: So Stephen the private eye, he hits the road looking
Speaker 1: for Esther. It's pretty wild, actually, because at this point
Speaker 1: there's the official law enforcement search for Esther Reid being
Speaker 1: led by the Secret Service and John Campbell, and then
Speaker 1: there's the made for TV version of this search being
Speaker 1: led by Stephen and along with him one of the
Speaker 1: show's hosts, Peter van Zand how do you begin, Well,
Speaker 1: we begin by finding out everything we can about her background,
Speaker 1: her alias's, places, where she's lived. Rombaum heads first to
Speaker 1: Esther's last known address, the Manhattan apartment where she was
Speaker 1: living as Brooke Henson, and then we see Steve Rombaum
Speaker 1: going through Esther's abandoned possessions. Thank goodness, Sir, Landlord saved
Speaker 1: all of this. This is just extraordinary. It's everything a
Speaker 1: private eye could hope for, a treasure trove of documents
Speaker 1: from Esther's life as Brooke. She left behind her credit
Speaker 1: card bills, her bank statements, her phone bills, countless countless leads.
Speaker 1: So Steve is gathering some pretty important clues about where
Speaker 1: Esther might be. Good old fashioned detective work. But there
Speaker 1: are other moments when the story feels pure tabloid and
Speaker 1: it's less about financial crimes and more about Esther's personal life.
Speaker 1: Here's the show's host, Peter van Zant again, and some
Speaker 1: of her targets were the men she was dating. How
Speaker 1: many men do you think esther Rita has gone through.
Speaker 1: I'm aware of about a dozen. They talked about her
Speaker 1: like she was some sort of femme fatal, and that's
Speaker 1: kind of the vibe throughout these two episodes. The producers
Speaker 1: pick up on the whole spy theory and run with it.
Speaker 1: They get a hold of some instant messages between Esther
Speaker 1: and one of her West Point boyfriends. In the exchange,
Speaker 1: the boyfriend says that he's been studying maps and timelines
Speaker 1: in his military science class. Esther wrote back, I want
Speaker 1: to see it when you're finished. Steve the Private Eye
Speaker 1: gives his analysis on this too. This is a classic
Speaker 1: method of espionage, using sex and using intimacy to get
Speaker 1: this sort of information. I mean, this is Mata Hari.
Speaker 1: One oh one, Mata Hari. I want to dive into
Speaker 1: this reference for a sec Mata Hari was an exotic
Speaker 1: dancer who was accused of being a spy during World
Speaker 1: War One. In old photos, she's dressed as a belly
Speaker 1: dancer wearing a jewel encrusted bra. Doesn't look a thing
Speaker 1: like Esther Reid, and yet there's some really interesting parallels.
Speaker 1: Mata Hari was actually a Dutch woman named Margarita Zella.
Speaker 1: She too was running from a troubled past. Parents divorced,
Speaker 1: mom died. She was left with relatives she didn't care for,
Speaker 1: so she invented herself. Told some she was a Javanese
Speaker 1: princess and others that she was an Indian temple dancer.
Speaker 1: During the war, a French intelligence officer became convinced that
Speaker 1: she was a spy. There wasn't a ton of proof,
Speaker 1: but in the end she was executed by a firing squad.
Speaker 1: Since then, she's become a legend, a stock character, like
Speaker 1: the mean stepmother or the evil CEO. And the thing
Speaker 1: about stock characters is we believe in them, We look
Speaker 1: for them, and we call them out even when the
Speaker 1: facts don't add up. Hello, yeah, oh great, Okay, I
Speaker 1: think we're destinesses. We're going oh if if not, I'm
Speaker 1: not reducing. I reached out to Steve Rambaum, the Private Eye.
Speaker 1: I was still wondering about the whole spy thing. Like
Speaker 1: back then, how serious were people in the media and
Speaker 1: in law enforcement about this espionage theory. They were concerned that,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe she's a spy for Iran, Maybe she's
Speaker 1: a spy for this, you know, Russian. Both of those
Speaker 1: things actually came up. I'll confess I left, but not
Speaker 1: everybody laughed. Steve says he never really brought into the
Speaker 1: idea that Esther was a spy or a master criminal
Speaker 1: of any kind. I mean, you know, this was not
Speaker 1: a young female Bernie Madoff who stole millions. You're talking
Speaker 1: about defrauding the scholarship system and getting a fake birth
Speaker 1: certificate and building a false identity. I can introduce you
Speaker 1: to probably ten thousand people who've done who've done the
Speaker 1: same or worse. So I asked him, what was it
Speaker 1: then about the ester Reid case that the media was
Speaker 1: so keen on number one, she was a young female,
Speaker 1: that they were able to make it look like she
Speaker 1: was one step ahead of the combined investigative forces of America,
Speaker 1: which I have to tell you wasn't true because federal
Speaker 1: agents were working on bigger cases and didn't think that
Speaker 1: this was, you know, a major national security event until
Speaker 1: everybody made it look like that. And then there was
Speaker 1: the spy story and the whole perception that she was
Speaker 1: a fem fatal, not to mention the fact that she
Speaker 1: had conned the ivy leagues. Basically, as far as I
Speaker 1: could tell, it all just made for good TV. Steve
Speaker 1: told me that he didn't want to bad mouth the
Speaker 1: media because of all the good he's seen it do.
Speaker 1: I'll be very honest. I'm not going to be hypocritical
Speaker 1: and deny this. I've worked with the media dozens of
Speaker 1: times to get important and urgent matters, you know, into
Speaker 1: the public eye and kind of nudge law enforcement. These
Speaker 1: were cases where kids had gone missing, or where Steve
Speaker 1: is tracking down alleged war criminals, important matters that had
Speaker 1: been overlooked, stories that Steve felt should be at the
Speaker 1: top of the media food chain. I think moving Esther
Speaker 1: Reid to the top of the food chain was, you know,
Speaker 1: a weed bit cynical. Wow. Do you feel like you
Speaker 1: were a part of that at all? Sure? Sure, I
Speaker 1: mean I was working a case. I did not say
Speaker 1: anything during that case to anyone that was in the
Speaker 1: slightest bit exaggeration. We'll be right back. When Steve Rombaumb
Speaker 1: was filming for forty eight hours and criss cross the
Speaker 1: country tracking down Esther Reid, he remained confident in his mission.
Speaker 1: I would be very surprised the Freedom Finder. If I
Speaker 1: didn't genuinely believe that, I wouldn't be daring enough to
Speaker 1: say it on television. But by the time the first
Speaker 1: forty eight hours special aired in December of two thousand
Speaker 1: and seven, Steve hadn't founder and the story, which is
Speaker 1: getting bigger and bigger. Around the same time, the legendary
Speaker 1: TV show America's Most Wanted also ran a story on
Speaker 1: Esther and some other female fugitives too. They called the
Speaker 1: episode Bad Girls. America's Most Wanted was a big deal
Speaker 1: back then, especially if you worked in law enforcement. Like
Speaker 1: if you got your case on that show, it greatly
Speaker 1: increased the chances that you'd catch your fugitive because so
Speaker 1: many people watched the show and then called in with tips.
Speaker 1: When I spoke with Don Long, the Secret Service agent,
Speaker 1: he told me he was actually surprised that Esther made
Speaker 1: it onto the show, which makes sense to me. I mean,
Speaker 1: she was not a domestic terrorist, or a serial killer
Speaker 1: or a bank robber, but be that as it may,
Speaker 1: she was now on everyone's radar. The fact that this
Speaker 1: was highlighted on America's Most Wanted certainly raised or elevated
Speaker 1: the level here within the Secret Service. It also enlightened
Speaker 1: me on some investigative steps I could take to highlight
Speaker 1: the case even more within my own agency. Don talked
Speaker 1: to his superiors at headquarters in DC and made the
Speaker 1: case that Esther should also be on the Secret Services
Speaker 1: Most Wanted list. They agreed and put her on the list.
Speaker 1: The way Don saw it, he had a job to do,
Speaker 1: and this helped him do it. The more people that
Speaker 1: are looking for your suspect, the better chance you have
Speaker 1: of finding them. Esther's face and her story were now everywhere,
Speaker 1: and the FEDS had made it clear capturing her was
Speaker 1: officially a priority. So you're probably wondering at this point
Speaker 1: what was Esther doing while all this was happening, Like,
Speaker 1: how was she processing this media circus? Well, the short
Speaker 1: answer is it took a while for the circus to
Speaker 1: get underway. Esther had actually been on the run for
Speaker 1: a year and a half by the time the first
Speaker 1: forty eight Hours story ran, and during all this time
Speaker 1: leading up to that, Esther cut off all contact with
Speaker 1: her old friends. Did you stay in touch with anyone
Speaker 1: during that time? No? Absolutely, nobody knew where I was
Speaker 1: at nothing. Did you make new friends? You were just
Speaker 1: like solo with my babies? Yes, with two dogs. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's a long time to be solo. Yes, it was
Speaker 1: a very very bad period. Esther stayed at cheap rentals
Speaker 1: and motels, mainly in the Midwest. She says she squeaked
Speaker 1: by for money. She had this little trick where she
Speaker 1: bought clothing at J. C. Penny on sale and then
Speaker 1: found a way to return the merchandise for the full price.
Speaker 1: She says she was just taking advantage of a loophole
Speaker 1: in the system. I think it's safe to say it
Speaker 1: was a scam. During this time, she pretty much became
Speaker 1: a shut in. She says she was laying low hoping
Speaker 1: this would all just blow over. And to be honest,
Speaker 1: this is a part of her story that I didn't
Speaker 1: fully get, Like, wasn't she googling herself? Part of it
Speaker 1: may have been denial, but Astor also told me that
Speaker 1: she worried that by inputting certain search terms about herself
Speaker 1: that she might tip off the authorities and give away
Speaker 1: her location, so she didn't do it. Then one day,
Speaker 1: she was up in Michigan staying at a motel. She
Speaker 1: was in her room with her dogs watching TV when
Speaker 1: a very brief segment on Fox News came on featuring her.
Speaker 1: And I remember seeing my picture and it's saying Esther
Speaker 1: read and I was like, oh shit, like literally, oh shit,
Speaker 1: this isn't going to go away. Esther says his segment
Speaker 1: was short, but it told her enough. Told her that
Speaker 1: the authorities were looking for her, and they had started
Speaker 1: connecting the dots, uncovering at least some of the aliases
Speaker 1: that she'd used. I knew they would probably be able
Speaker 1: to figure out that I wasn't Brookentson, but I didn't
Speaker 1: think they would connect Brookentson to Esther read. Up until then,
Speaker 1: she had believed that her aliases would help keep her safe.
Speaker 1: She held on to all of her paperwork, all of
Speaker 1: her fraudulently obtained ideas. Yeah, I hold on to everything
Speaker 1: you had, your like Jason Bourne wallet with all your IDs. Yes,
Speaker 1: it was hidden in the bottom of my trunk right,
Speaker 1: always kept it. But she realized that none of that
Speaker 1: would keep her safe any longer. In fact, those ideas
Speaker 1: were now a liability. Immediately, I went and cut up
Speaker 1: every piece of idea I had on me, and I
Speaker 1: cut it all up like the little scissors, into tiny
Speaker 1: little pieces and flushed them. Wow, you were really pretty well.
Speaker 1: I thought like they might be coming right this moment,
Speaker 1: you know, like I don't handle panic very well. Clearly,
Speaker 1: there were so many instances where Esther could have come clean,
Speaker 1: turned herself in quietly without much fanfare, and maybe straightened
Speaker 1: everything out. But not now. So you cut all these
Speaker 1: up and flushed them on the toilet. And then what
Speaker 1: I think? Then? I just thought on the bed and panicked.
Speaker 1: Esther didn't know the full extent of it or how
Speaker 1: it had happened. But this thing, this story, it had
Speaker 1: grown building momentum like a tsunami. A local TV report
Speaker 1: ring Greenville, South Carolina, had tipped off Tom Colbert, the
Speaker 1: gem Hunter, who then brought it to the national media.
Speaker 1: Before long, it was a newspaper cover story, then fought
Speaker 1: her for cable news, and finally a full blown hour
Speaker 1: on one of America's best known TV shows. There were
Speaker 1: no longer any easy outs, no explaining this away. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: maybe she was no Bernie made off. And yeah, perhaps
Speaker 1: the espionage theory was just that a theory, but at
Speaker 1: this point didn't matter. The public was now hooked, and
Speaker 1: so were people in positions of power. They were all
Speaker 1: looking for the mystery girl, the Mata Hari and Esther
Speaker 1: she was it. The question now was there any place
Speaker 1: left for her to hide? Next time on deep Cover,
Speaker 1: I mean, we were chasing her around the country, and
Speaker 1: you know, we would look each other out. How are
Speaker 1: we not finding this young girl who you know, stole
Speaker 1: some identities. But good grief, guys, we're the federal government here.
Speaker 1: We ought to be able to do that. Deep Cover
Speaker 1: is produced by Amy Gaines and Jacob Smith. It's edited
Speaker 1: by Karen shakurge mastering by Jake Gorski. Our show art
Speaker 1: was designed by Sean Karney. Original scoring at our theme
Speaker 1: was composed by Luis Gara, fact checking by Arthur Gomperts.
Speaker 1: Special thanks to Mia Lobell, Greta Cone, and Jacob Weissberg.
Speaker 1: I'm Jake Calbern s