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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norrie with

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Speaker 2: Andrew Collins with US writer historian living in the United Kingdom,

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Speaker 2: where he is right now. He is the author of

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Speaker 2: more than a dozen books that challenge the way we

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Speaker 2: perceive the past. Back in two thousand and eight, Andrew

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Speaker 2: and his colleague Nigel Skinnert Simpson discovered a previously unrecorded

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Speaker 2: cave complex beneath the Pyramids of Giza, which has brought

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Speaker 2: him worldwide acclaim. He is back with us on Coast

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Speaker 2: to Coast Andrew, how are you, my friend, George?

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Speaker 3: IHI good to be back. Yeah, Yeah, I'm fine. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's early morning here in the UK. But I've got

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Speaker 3: lots of things to tell you.

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Speaker 2: You've got You've been doing a lot of work. Plus,

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Speaker 2: you're coming to the United States in about a week

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Speaker 2: or so, aren't you.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely Yeah. I'll be appearing at Conscious Life Expo in

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Speaker 3: Los Angeles, talking about everything from the origins of civilization

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Speaker 3: to the the the absolute source of God himself, so much,

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Speaker 3: too much to hear. If you're going to that.

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Speaker 2: I'll be there so I'll see you. Let's make sure

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Speaker 2: we hook up. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, You've been.

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Speaker 2: Looking at something called the kettahan Tepe, which is like

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Speaker 2: Goldbeckley Teppe. It's in Turkey, not too far from gobecley Teppe.

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Speaker 2: Tell me the significance of this area.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, Gobeckley Tepe was discovered in the mid

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Speaker 3: nineteen nineties and it changed everything because it showed us

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Speaker 3: that at the end of the Last Ice Age there

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Speaker 3: were advanced cultures in the world. I mean, obviously many

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Speaker 3: people have speculated about this in books and you know, articles, whatever,

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Speaker 3: but this was the first absolute evidence of that. What

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Speaker 3: Carahan Tepe does and this is, you know, from the

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Speaker 3: same culture the so called tad Tepelar cultures about eleven

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Speaker 3: to eleven and a half thousand years old. What this

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Speaker 3: does is tell us that beckley Tepe was not a

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Speaker 3: one off. You know, we are definitely dealing with a

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Speaker 3: high culture, if not an actual civilization that was there

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Speaker 3: several thousand years before the construction of the Pyramids, Stonehenge

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Speaker 3: or even the foundation of the Sumerian civilization. And that

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Speaker 3: is incredibly exciting.

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Speaker 2: What are these areas used for.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean we're talking about the so called Fertile Crescent.

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Speaker 3: You know, the origins of agriculture, the origins of animal domestication,

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Speaker 3: of metallurgy, the first beer, the first wine, the first

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Speaker 3: proper buildings, the first clay figurines. You know, this is

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Speaker 3: the foundations of our civilization. And we're talking about an

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Speaker 3: area of southeastern Turkey that is essentially the Garden of

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Speaker 3: Eden from the actual Old Testament itself, you know, that's

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Speaker 3: what is remembered about this place, this is where Eden was.

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Speaker 3: And what this also tells us is that the Book

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Speaker 3: of Genesis is actually, in some capacity a real story,

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Speaker 3: a real story of the foundations of humanity.

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Speaker 2: How did these indigenous people build these structures?

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Speaker 3: Andrew Well, I mean I haven't got the absolute answers,

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Speaker 3: but the fact is they did. And I think what

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Speaker 3: my interest is is why were they doing it? You know,

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Speaker 3: how were they able to do this? You know, just

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Speaker 3: which could have involved cataclysms to do with common impacts

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Speaker 3: suddenly you have this high culture appearing. You know why,

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Speaker 3: and I think one of the answers is is it

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Speaker 3: that had been there. And what we also have to

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Speaker 3: that was there to actually create this civilization must have

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Speaker 3: been there before or during the Ice Age itself. In

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Speaker 3: other words, it could be tens of thousands of years old.

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Speaker 2: That is dramatic. What happened to these people.

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Speaker 3: They became us, I think is the honest answer. They

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Speaker 3: eventually founded the Samarian civilization. The memory of the elite

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Speaker 3: behind the creation of places like Quebecy Tape and Krahan

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Speaker 3: are remembered in Samarian tradition as the anon Archive, and

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Speaker 3: in Hebrew tradition as the watchers and the Nephelin, which

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Speaker 2: There's been lots of talk to these days Andrews about

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Speaker 2: of it? What are your things?

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Speaker 3: Well, what we know about these people is that they

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Speaker 3: and they saw this as the head of some kind

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Speaker 3: and a lot of their shamanic ceremonies were seen to

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Speaker 3: have been focused on this area of the sky, which

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Speaker 3: obviously begs the question of were they actually aware that

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Speaker 3: this was the center of our own Milky Way galaxy.

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Speaker 2: Some talk about a black hole being in the area too,

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Speaker 3: some theories in recent years that this could actually be

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Speaker 3: an intelligent being in its own right, for instance, that

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Speaker 3: the great freethink of our age. Rupert Sheldrake proposed that

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Speaker 3: it could be the source of what he referred to

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Speaker 3: as the galactic mind. And if that is the case,

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Speaker 3: then you know, what is this galactic mind and what

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Speaker 3: influence does it have on solar systems like our own?

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Speaker 2: He believes the galactic mind could control creation, doesn't he?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean it is possible that the galactic mind

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Speaker 3: creation of atomic matter from super massive holes that are

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Speaker 3: at the center of almost all galaxies produce the particles,

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Speaker 3: they produce the matter that becomes the different stellar systems

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Speaker 3: of that, you know, we can say that, you know,

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Speaker 3: the center of our own Milky Way galaxy is indeed

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Speaker 2: Andrew, did these people, these ancient people, understand this well?

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Speaker 3: I mean, their rituals would seem to have focused on

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Speaker 3: look at the possibility that they really were connected with

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Speaker 3: this intelligence, this omnipotent intelligence that controls the creation of

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Speaker 3: life and death of course as well. In other words,

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Speaker 3: that they may well have been focusing on a very

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Speaker 2: Well, let's go back then to the tepee places, goebec

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that they were used quite literally for

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Speaker 3: they could connect with this cosmic intelligence. And they saw

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Speaker 3: It can also relate to sexuality of fertility, but I

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Speaker 3: think for them it probably represented everything. And I think

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Speaker 3: that there's a good chance that, because we're talking about

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Speaker 3: that this actual serpent could itself be the origins of

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Speaker 2: Of Eden, which is the devil, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Well, it can be construed as that. But remember, obviously,

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Speaker 2: Andw might these locations the tepis been used as UFO

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Speaker 3: Well, of course it's always possible. I mean, the one

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Speaker 3: you know, to quite literally connect with these manifesting intelligences

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Speaker 2: And you explain who the Gnostics were.

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Speaker 3: The Gnostics are referred to as Christians, but ultimately they weren't.

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Speaker 3: and the teachings of Orpheus were very very deep. You know,

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Speaker 3: this was the true source of God, but that it

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Speaker 2: Were the nastechs monotheists. They believe in.

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Speaker 3: A God, Yes, I mean they were monotheistics in the

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Speaker 3: mean some of them were Hebrew, so you know, their

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Speaker 3: ideas obviously changed and shifted, and there were many different

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Speaker 3: Gnostic churches Gnostic sects, with each of them having their

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Speaker 3: that they saw in terms of the Great Serpent as

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Speaker 3: Quantum entanglement is the idea that you have entire systems

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Speaker 2: Is quantum entanglement taught or is it just basically given?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, we can produce particles, basically can break

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Speaker 3: Einstein referred to as spooky action at a distance, because

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Speaker 3: use of quantum entanglement. And that's very very exciting indeed,

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Speaker 3: because in other words, we're not just dealing with something

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