WEBVTT - Heavyweight Short: Loch 0:00:15.210 --> 0:00:15.730 Pushkin. 0:00:21.530 --> 0:00:25.370 Hello, Hi, Hi, I'm just out for a walk. 0:00:25.930 --> 0:00:27.010 What do I owe the pleasure? 0:00:27.290 --> 0:00:30.890 I have a story and I thought that you in 0:00:30.930 --> 0:00:34.210 particular might be interested in it. Because it takes place 0:00:34.250 --> 0:00:34.889 in Canada. 0:00:35.250 --> 0:00:38.449 It does create a special in my years, per cup. 0:00:38.210 --> 0:00:41.569 A little like Pavlov's bell. I hear Canada. 0:00:41.690 --> 0:00:43.650 Yeah, it's like my math starts to salivate. 0:00:43.810 --> 0:00:46.530 In fact, it's not just about Canada, but it's about 0:00:46.690 --> 0:00:49.089 going to school in Canada, which you did. 0:00:49.409 --> 0:00:51.530 Yeah, I did. I was schooled in Canada. I went 0:00:51.569 --> 0:00:56.570 through French immersion all the way from kindergarten up until 0:00:56.690 --> 0:00:57.730 eleventh grade. 0:00:57.970 --> 0:00:59.850 Could you introduce the show in French? 0:01:00.130 --> 0:01:02.330 Oh? Boy, that's that's a lot to ask. What's what's 0:01:02.330 --> 0:01:13.050 the name of the episode? The sat say, look suet 0:01:13.450 --> 0:01:14.570 in bon Acute. 0:01:14.970 --> 0:01:18.410 That's beautiful. And there are the sounds of sirens to 0:01:18.530 --> 0:01:19.130 ring us in. 0:01:20.050 --> 0:01:23.050 Yeah, they're the sirens of good narrative storyteller. 0:01:24.330 --> 0:01:35.050 Watch out, everybody. I'm Khalila Holt and this is heavyweight. 0:01:35.850 --> 0:01:38.569 Today is heavyweight short lock. 0:01:45.650 --> 0:02:01.010 Right after the break, Hi, is this Lachlan? Hello? 0:02:01.810 --> 0:02:02.090 Hello? 0:02:02.210 --> 0:02:04.010 Can you hear me Ollo? 0:02:05.090 --> 0:02:09.290 Despite his lack of confirmation, this is indeed Lachlan or 0:02:09.329 --> 0:02:12.049 Locke for short. Hi, It's Khalila calling. 0:02:12.090 --> 0:02:12.450 How are you? 0:02:15.450 --> 0:02:16.730 Oh Hi, how are you? 0:02:17.970 --> 0:02:20.690 Locke is twenty years old. When I ask him what 0:02:20.730 --> 0:02:25.490 he does, he says he plants trees, but also he's traveling. 0:02:26.330 --> 0:02:31.050 But also he's kind of a student. He's a disorienting 0:02:31.130 --> 0:02:34.530 person to talk to. Like, despite the fact that we 0:02:34.610 --> 0:02:40.530 exchanged multiple emails setting up this call, I forget yeah. 0:02:41.330 --> 0:02:44.850 And in fact, it's Locke's questionable memory that we're here 0:02:44.930 --> 0:02:47.970 to talk about today, because he's come to me with 0:02:48.010 --> 0:02:52.450 an improbable story, something he recalls vividly but that no 0:02:52.490 --> 0:02:57.450 one else believes actually happened. In revisiting this memory, Lock 0:02:57.570 --> 0:03:02.050 hopes to expose an injustice, to unseat a tyrant, to 0:03:02.130 --> 0:03:05.770 confront a nemesis he's obsessed over since he was just 0:03:05.850 --> 0:03:06.650 five years old. 0:03:07.690 --> 0:03:08.610 But that's a call. 0:03:10.130 --> 0:03:14.330 Madame Nicole, Locke's kindergarten French immersion teacher. 0:03:20.170 --> 0:03:23.330 She wore like mean looking glasses and she kind of 0:03:23.410 --> 0:03:24.490 scowled all the time. 0:03:25.090 --> 0:03:28.090 Locke describes her as an exact double of Edna Mode 0:03:28.130 --> 0:03:29.130 from The Incredibles. 0:03:29.450 --> 0:03:33.810 That's exactly what she looks like, really tiny, short, black 0:03:33.850 --> 0:03:37.570 hair cut off, really sharply, like a ninety degree angle, 0:03:38.130 --> 0:03:40.410 and she like would just kind of walk around and 0:03:40.530 --> 0:03:43.090 like do mean shit all the time. 0:03:43.810 --> 0:03:46.570 But what set her apart from your garden variety evil 0:03:46.610 --> 0:03:52.730 French teacher was one particular habit. According to Locke, Madamnikole 0:03:52.930 --> 0:03:58.170 was a thief. A cheese thief. Madamnicole stole cheese from 0:03:58.250 --> 0:03:59.610 her five year old students. 0:04:00.090 --> 0:04:03.130 Sometimes I would just walk into class and it was 0:04:03.170 --> 0:04:05.890 like before she starts the lesson, it was just like, oh, 0:04:05.890 --> 0:04:08.530 do you have cheese today? And I'd say, yeah, so 0:04:08.690 --> 0:04:18.130 she it You're kind of never see. Like sometimes if 0:04:18.130 --> 0:04:20.850 I was in trouble, then she would like it would 0:04:20.849 --> 0:04:23.250 be a punishment. She takes my cheese as punishment, but 0:04:23.250 --> 0:04:25.849 it's hardly a punishment because she was gonna do it anyway. 0:04:26.330 --> 0:04:29.289 She didn't even refrigerate it. She would put it in 0:04:29.369 --> 0:04:32.770 this cabinet, like in a little wooden cabinet and had 0:04:32.770 --> 0:04:34.729 a padlock on it, like as if I was going 0:04:34.810 --> 0:04:36.089 to try to steal my cheese back. 0:04:36.250 --> 0:04:40.330 Do you believe that? I can't really believe it. It 0:04:40.409 --> 0:04:43.569 seems made up like something a cartoon villain would do. 0:04:44.890 --> 0:04:49.609 I know how it sounds belief. It's pretty ridiculous, but 0:04:49.849 --> 0:04:52.129 that's the problem, because I've told so many people and 0:04:52.169 --> 0:04:56.409 they just laugh it off. I'm running a crew floor fire. 0:04:56.250 --> 0:04:59.570 If I did this season fighting forest fires being another 0:04:59.609 --> 0:05:02.170 of locks many pursuits, so like, I'm I have to. 0:05:02.089 --> 0:05:04.770 Build some sort of credibility with my crew members. And 0:05:04.810 --> 0:05:07.650 the first time I met a bunch of my crew members, 0:05:07.729 --> 0:05:12.729 I told them this cheese story. They all started laughing 0:05:12.770 --> 0:05:15.450 and say like, oh, come on, a bullshit. So now 0:05:15.489 --> 0:05:17.609 all these people are about to work for me, the 0:05:17.650 --> 0:05:19.290 only thing they know about me is that I have 0:05:19.450 --> 0:05:22.610 this like totally false cheese story. 0:05:24.250 --> 0:05:27.729 So for Locke, the frustration isn't simply that this happened, 0:05:28.169 --> 0:05:31.370 but that no one believes that it happened. Locke has 0:05:31.450 --> 0:05:36.489 lost not only his cheese but his credibility because the 0:05:36.570 --> 0:05:40.489 joy of sharing an unbelievable story lies and ultimately convincing 0:05:40.529 --> 0:05:44.010 your audience that it's true. When you're done, you want 0:05:44.089 --> 0:05:48.929 them to think, Wow, how completely wild. Not this man 0:05:49.049 --> 0:05:49.929 is a total liar. 0:05:50.450 --> 0:05:51.809 I would just like to be able to tell the 0:05:51.849 --> 0:05:55.369 story that people believe it some sort of validations that 0:05:55.450 --> 0:05:55.770 are not. 0:05:56.250 --> 0:06:02.130 Completely insane, right, And so Locke wants me to obtain 0:06:02.169 --> 0:06:05.609 a confession from the thief herself to prove that this 0:06:05.690 --> 0:06:08.849 really went on. And what's more, he wants me to 0:06:08.849 --> 0:06:11.809 find out why it went on, because. 0:06:11.570 --> 0:06:13.890 I don't think there's anyone in the world that is 0:06:13.929 --> 0:06:17.330 that big of a fan of cheese that's killing You're 0:06:17.409 --> 0:06:19.529 risking your career, Paul. I don't know if it's worth 0:06:19.570 --> 0:06:23.089 firing over, but you know she's risky getting in trouble 0:06:23.130 --> 0:06:25.689 for this. Like, I just don't get it. I just 0:06:25.729 --> 0:06:29.129 don't understand at all what was going on there. 0:06:34.890 --> 0:06:37.489 Before I get to what was going on there, I 0:06:37.529 --> 0:06:40.330 want some reassurance that anything was going on at all, 0:06:41.049 --> 0:06:44.010 because if Locke can't even remember scheduling a phone call 0:06:44.130 --> 0:06:47.890 last week, what are the chances he accurately recalls something 0:06:47.929 --> 0:06:50.330 from when he was five. I don't want to go 0:06:50.409 --> 0:06:54.489 around falsely accusing this elderly French Canadian woman of larceny. 0:06:55.369 --> 0:06:57.289 So I asked Locke if he's still in touch with 0:06:57.330 --> 0:06:59.689 anyone else from that class who might be able to 0:06:59.729 --> 0:07:01.089 corroborate his memories. 0:07:01.570 --> 0:07:03.650 Yeah. I have a few friends. One of them, though, 0:07:03.770 --> 0:07:07.289 is like is a notorious war But then another friend, 0:07:07.529 --> 0:07:09.409 he's a pretty reliable guy. 0:07:10.330 --> 0:07:14.730 I start with lockslyer friend who rustles the phone around 0:07:14.770 --> 0:07:18.530 as liars are wont to do and then hangs up 0:07:18.570 --> 0:07:22.809 on me. But Locke's other friend, Colin, reliable as build 0:07:23.250 --> 0:07:24.570 schedules of time to talk. 0:07:25.410 --> 0:07:29.410 I've known Lock since the class that was actually talking 0:07:29.450 --> 0:07:32.210 about uh huh, And I always thought he was so 0:07:32.489 --> 0:07:35.810 weird because he would eat the whole apple, including the core. 0:07:36.610 --> 0:07:38.770 This is this kid in kindergarten that way, And that's 0:07:38.810 --> 0:07:40.569 just like kind of his like personality is kind of 0:07:40.610 --> 0:07:43.930 like hardcore like opera. He's finished an apple, there was 0:07:44.010 --> 0:07:44.770 just nothing left. 0:07:45.530 --> 0:07:48.569 In other words, Locke's a guy who never gives up 0:07:49.330 --> 0:07:53.809 on some things like apples are bringing cheese thieves to justice. 0:07:54.170 --> 0:07:56.809 He kind of commits to like weird things, like he 0:07:56.850 --> 0:07:59.730 has a hard time committing to university, but he's like 0:08:00.010 --> 0:08:03.130 so committed to getting getting to the bottom of the 0:08:03.170 --> 0:08:07.130 story with them the code. But on that front, I 0:08:07.170 --> 0:08:10.930 know Locke has these stories about her stealings. I can't 0:08:11.650 --> 0:08:12.610 confirm more than that. 0:08:12.810 --> 0:08:21.610 That Colin has no memory of any cheese stealing. What's more, 0:08:22.130 --> 0:08:25.449 his sister was also in madom Nichol's class, and she 0:08:25.610 --> 0:08:26.690 doesn't remember it either. 0:08:27.330 --> 0:08:29.570 Like, honestly, I want to say it didn't happen. But 0:08:29.650 --> 0:08:32.410 you can also tell that he's like frustrated by the 0:08:32.490 --> 0:08:35.530 fact that I don't remember knowing Locke. 0:08:35.610 --> 0:08:38.970 Colin says, it's all too likely the story is something 0:08:39.050 --> 0:08:51.450 he invented and then convinced himself was true. I'm not 0:08:51.530 --> 0:08:54.850 altogether surprised by this turn of events, but I am 0:08:54.890 --> 0:08:58.570 disappointed that the Kindergarten cheese burglar seems to be no 0:08:58.690 --> 0:09:01.570 more than a myth, and like a terrier on the 0:09:01.610 --> 0:09:04.850 scent of some buried bree, I can't help but dig 0:09:04.890 --> 0:09:08.450 a little more. As it turns out, there are two 0:09:08.530 --> 0:09:12.730 other people who were students of Madam Nicole. Locke's older brothers, 0:09:13.370 --> 0:09:17.610 so I set up some time with his middle brother, Finn. Hello, Hi, 0:09:17.730 --> 0:09:21.730 finn is Khalila. 0:09:22.010 --> 0:09:24.570 Oh sorry, completely. 0:09:24.290 --> 0:09:29.010 Scott, a family trade, I guess. Finn backs up Collin's 0:09:29.090 --> 0:09:32.929 characterization of his brother as an untrustworthy, fabulous. 0:09:33.090 --> 0:09:36.090 Locks like a fantasy liar like Locke, believes the things 0:09:36.090 --> 0:09:38.050 he's lying about a lot of the time. If I 0:09:38.050 --> 0:09:40.130 were you getting a call from Lock and Lock only, 0:09:40.610 --> 0:09:42.010 I would I would hang up and. 0:09:41.930 --> 0:09:46.530 Move on speaking with Finn. It seems increasingly foolish for 0:09:46.570 --> 0:09:49.370 me to put any stock in Locke's barrel of lies 0:09:50.330 --> 0:09:54.850 still like a terrier with a metalworking apprenticeship. I forge 0:09:54.890 --> 0:09:59.730 ahead when I say, Madame Nicole, what are your associations? 0:10:00.130 --> 0:10:05.690 So immediately cheese. We all take out our stacks, and 0:10:05.770 --> 0:10:08.410 she would like, ooh, famage and come in and like 0:10:08.570 --> 0:10:10.810 grab one from somebody and then put it in her 0:10:10.810 --> 0:10:12.490 little tupperware and go back to her desk. 0:10:13.570 --> 0:10:18.850 So finn like Locke remembers the thievery, which means Madam 0:10:18.970 --> 0:10:22.610 Nicole had been stealing cheese for years before Locke even 0:10:22.690 --> 0:10:23.730 came on the scene. 0:10:24.610 --> 0:10:26.570 So weird, but it's true. 0:10:26.810 --> 0:10:28.370 That's the weirdest part of it all. 0:10:29.090 --> 0:10:31.730 I also speak with Locke's oldest brother Owen. 0:10:32.210 --> 0:10:33.810 I love cheese, my mom do that. 0:10:33.850 --> 0:10:35.290 I'm like a cheese fanatic. 0:10:35.810 --> 0:10:39.050 Owen backs up lock story too. He tells me in 0:10:39.170 --> 0:10:42.570 kindergarten he used to save his precious cheese for last, 0:10:42.930 --> 0:10:45.610 making its cruel theft all the more painful. 0:10:46.090 --> 0:10:48.850 The clearest memory is probably the first time it happened, 0:10:49.290 --> 0:10:50.530 and it was a baby bell. 0:10:50.730 --> 0:10:55.090 You know, this bread beacon in my lunch box, and 0:10:55.130 --> 0:10:57.770 so just out it goes, and. 0:10:57.690 --> 0:11:02.650 She said next see for our anglophone listeners. Mercy is 0:11:02.690 --> 0:11:11.850 the French word for thank you, And with that, I'm 0:11:11.890 --> 0:11:16.330 ready to get a confession from the vulur herself or voluse, 0:11:16.450 --> 0:11:19.850 I guess would be the feminine. I haven't taken French 0:11:19.850 --> 0:11:24.850 in a long time. I'm ready to approche Madamnicole, if 0:11:24.850 --> 0:11:28.570 only I can find her. When you're looking for something 0:11:28.610 --> 0:11:32.090 you've lost, people always tell you to retrace your steps. 0:11:32.650 --> 0:11:35.490 So I retrace lock steps back to his old school. 0:11:35.850 --> 0:11:37.770 You need to speak to someone in the main office. 0:11:37.970 --> 0:11:41.490 Please press zero to find out if Madominicole might still 0:11:41.490 --> 0:11:42.210 be teaching there. 0:11:42.530 --> 0:11:44.130 No, she's not here, she's retired. 0:11:44.330 --> 0:11:47.210 Okay, would you happen to have any contact info for her? 0:11:48.130 --> 0:11:50.290 If you send me something, I could send it to her. 0:11:51.410 --> 0:11:55.570 And so I find myself composing a delicate email, something 0:11:55.690 --> 0:12:00.290 vague and accusationless enough not to scare off Madomnikole. There's 0:12:00.290 --> 0:12:03.250 an old student of yours. I say, he still thinks 0:12:03.290 --> 0:12:06.090 about you all the time. He wants to confirm a memory. 0:12:07.170 --> 0:12:10.850 But maybe I'm not delicate enough, because weeks go by 0:12:11.170 --> 0:12:15.730 and I never hear back. The thief is on the lamb. 0:12:19.570 --> 0:12:23.610 If Madamnicole likes cheese half as much as Locke remembers, 0:12:24.010 --> 0:12:27.570 surely she must be getting her fixed somewhere, so with 0:12:27.650 --> 0:12:30.530 no other leads on how to find her, I try 0:12:30.530 --> 0:12:36.970 the only thing I can think of. I look up 0:12:37.010 --> 0:12:39.850 every cheese shop within a ten mile radius of Locke's 0:12:39.850 --> 0:12:43.210 old school and start calling. She's described to me as 0:12:43.330 --> 0:12:45.490 at an a mode from The Incredibles if you've seen 0:12:45.570 --> 0:12:51.130 that movie. I'm sorry you're asking about a specific customer, small, 0:12:51.210 --> 0:12:52.410 big glasses. 0:12:52.690 --> 0:13:01.490 Unfortunately, no, thank you for calling, and have a grateful day. 0:13:02.370 --> 0:13:05.890 I do learn, though, that Madamnicole isn't the only burglar 0:13:05.970 --> 0:13:09.730 out there. She's actually part of a grand tradition of theft. 0:13:10.130 --> 0:13:13.730 There's some issues with part of me, like Parmageno agiano, 0:13:13.850 --> 0:13:15.890 like wheels of parm because you look at it like 0:13:15.930 --> 0:13:17.210 a thousand bucks a wheel, right. 0:13:17.370 --> 0:13:19.050 A lot of theft in in the past. You know 0:13:19.210 --> 0:13:20.170 you hear the stories. 0:13:20.890 --> 0:13:24.210 I have not heard the stories, but by now I'm 0:13:24.250 --> 0:13:27.290 all in. So when I get off the phone, I 0:13:27.370 --> 0:13:31.130 go looking for them. According to a report from the 0:13:31.210 --> 0:13:38.250 Consortio del Fromaggio Parmigiano Reggiano, three million dollars worth of 0:13:38.250 --> 0:13:42.810 parmesan cheese is stolen every year in Italy alone. Time 0:13:42.890 --> 0:13:46.090 magazine says cheese in general is actually the most stolen 0:13:46.130 --> 0:13:49.530 food in the world, and after my first fourteen YouTube 0:13:49.610 --> 0:13:53.450 videos on the subject, I let auto play like Jesus 0:13:53.970 --> 0:13:54.690 take the wheel. 0:13:55.050 --> 0:13:58.530 Right now, police are looking for twenty thousand pounds of 0:13:58.650 --> 0:13:59.530 stolen cheese. 0:14:00.010 --> 0:14:03.530 Stage's fifteen is in trouble with police. 0:14:03.690 --> 0:14:07.130 There are still some holes in this case, but detectives 0:14:07.130 --> 0:14:11.170 say they have stringed all the evidence together. Holes in 0:14:11.250 --> 0:14:16.250 this case say cheese. It seems like it's physically impossible 0:14:16.370 --> 0:14:19.490 for anyone reporting on cheese theft to do so without 0:14:19.570 --> 0:14:23.170 making some terrible pun and as someone reporting on this 0:14:23.290 --> 0:14:27.530 topic myself, I feel an obligation to my fellow journalists 0:14:27.570 --> 0:14:31.130 to join the cheese pun fray. But jokes like that 0:14:31.250 --> 0:14:35.050 are just really not my thing. I'd find it physically 0:14:35.170 --> 0:14:40.530 uncomfortable too. For example, characterize Madmnicole as a monster, or 0:14:40.570 --> 0:14:43.610 to say that I hope to close the caso. It 0:14:43.650 --> 0:14:45.810 makes me want to throw up to think of asking 0:14:45.850 --> 0:14:48.890 something like did you have an accomplice or did you 0:14:48.970 --> 0:14:53.010 work prob alone? You wouldn't catch me dead. Referring to 0:14:53.050 --> 0:14:56.130 all that cheese sitting in a locked cabinet as a 0:14:56.170 --> 0:15:05.770 FETA comply, I'm finally saved from the depths of my 0:15:05.850 --> 0:15:10.090 despair and cheese video induced badness by two critical pieces 0:15:10.090 --> 0:15:14.650 of information. The first comes from Locke's family. They find 0:15:14.650 --> 0:15:18.050 an old report card from that time and on it 0:15:18.090 --> 0:15:22.450 is Madamnicole's full name. The second comes from my network 0:15:22.450 --> 0:15:26.410 of spies on the street, courtesy of Locke's honest friend Colin. 0:15:26.850 --> 0:15:28.370 I was talking to my mom and she said she 0:15:28.450 --> 0:15:31.170 might have spotted her in like our neighborhood. 0:15:31.770 --> 0:15:34.730 She was walking near this big apartment building. Colin says, 0:15:35.410 --> 0:15:39.370 maybe she lives there. And when I look up Madaminicole's name, 0:15:39.570 --> 0:15:42.970 together with the address he gave me, I find a 0:15:42.970 --> 0:15:43.650 phone number. 0:15:53.530 --> 0:15:54.330 I don't. 0:16:11.530 --> 0:16:15.850 Hello, hey, lock, Hey is cle It. 0:16:15.810 --> 0:16:19.370 Is oh, the oh of a man who forgot he'd 0:16:19.410 --> 0:16:22.850 scheduled something. It's been a while since Locke and I 0:16:22.970 --> 0:16:25.970 last spoke. First he was working in Panama for a 0:16:26.010 --> 0:16:27.890 month and a half, and then he was deep in 0:16:27.890 --> 0:16:31.370 the Canadian wilderness. So I've been eagerly waiting to tell 0:16:31.450 --> 0:16:42.010 him how I finally got a hold of Madomnicole. When 0:16:42.050 --> 0:16:44.970 I caught her at home. Madomnicole told me she didn't 0:16:44.970 --> 0:16:48.490 want to be interviewed for a podcast. She's a private person, 0:16:48.610 --> 0:16:51.210 she said, and On top of that, she's not a 0:16:51.250 --> 0:16:56.250 technological person. She quote hates all the machines. She doesn't 0:16:56.250 --> 0:16:59.290 have a computer or a cell phone. I imagine even 0:16:59.290 --> 0:17:01.650 hearing the word podcast gave her the feeling of a 0:17:01.690 --> 0:17:05.610 demon entering her home. She told me that she would, however, 0:17:05.970 --> 0:17:08.689 be happy to talk to Locke and for him to 0:17:08.730 --> 0:17:12.170 relate the conversation back to me. So I am wondering 0:17:12.410 --> 0:17:15.649 if you would call her and then tell me what 0:17:15.850 --> 0:17:17.249 happens after the fact. 0:17:18.810 --> 0:17:24.210 Oh man, okay, hmm. 0:17:25.250 --> 0:17:28.409 This is not the reaction I was expecting. I thought 0:17:28.449 --> 0:17:30.609 Locke would be over the moon to hear this news, 0:17:31.169 --> 0:17:33.810 but he sounds, if anything, under the moon. 0:17:34.330 --> 0:17:37.889 So kind of the reason that I approached you guys 0:17:38.250 --> 0:17:42.530 was because it was cool, how like you'd act as 0:17:42.530 --> 0:17:45.249 the interlock eater and sort of just like manage the 0:17:45.290 --> 0:17:48.969 situation so one person doesn't have to actually sure. 0:17:50.010 --> 0:17:51.490 Yeah, so. 0:17:55.290 --> 0:17:57.889 Jeezus, Yeah that's hmm. 0:17:59.010 --> 0:18:01.970 It's like Locke's reduced to a scared five year old 0:18:02.050 --> 0:18:04.969 kid again, afraid of getting in trouble with the teacher. 0:18:05.810 --> 0:18:09.369 So I offer a security blanket, an idea Madamina Cole 0:18:09.409 --> 0:18:13.009 has agreed to as well. We could have Mona, who's 0:18:13.409 --> 0:18:16.449 one of the other producers listen in on the call. Oh, 0:18:16.530 --> 0:18:18.330 if you need help figuring out what to say? 0:18:19.290 --> 0:18:23.050 Hmm, okay, that could work. 0:18:23.889 --> 0:18:27.530 Selfishly, I also want Mona there as an insurance policy, 0:18:28.050 --> 0:18:30.330 someone who can rat on lock if he slips into 0:18:30.369 --> 0:18:34.570 one of his fantasy lies. Locke and I agree to 0:18:34.570 --> 0:18:37.850 figure out the details in the coming days. But the 0:18:37.889 --> 0:18:40.850 coming days go by, and then the days that come 0:18:40.889 --> 0:18:44.649 after that, and Locke doesn't respond to any of my messages. 0:18:45.409 --> 0:18:47.929 When he finally does get in touch, it's with an 0:18:47.970 --> 0:18:51.369 email that says, a dog eat my phone. I think 0:18:52.369 --> 0:18:55.289 I'm starting to see why Locke has had conflict with 0:18:55.409 --> 0:19:03.809 his teachers. But after several more weeks of excuse making, 0:19:04.250 --> 0:19:06.850 Locke admits that he'll be free one afternoon for a 0:19:06.889 --> 0:19:11.169 phone call. So Mona and I like, Hey, this is 0:19:11.250 --> 0:19:12.129 Mona from Heavyweight. 0:19:12.129 --> 0:19:12.970 I'm here with Khalila. 0:19:13.290 --> 0:19:16.969 Hello. Oh this time we catch him waiting in line 0:19:16.970 --> 0:19:20.530 for his order at the Tim Horton's for our Anglophone listeners. 0:19:20.810 --> 0:19:23.570 That's Canada's off brand version of dunkin Donuts. 0:19:23.929 --> 0:19:27.129 Yeah. Sorry, I totally fixed up the day off that 0:19:27.209 --> 0:19:30.570 I had. But yeah, what what are we doing with 0:19:30.810 --> 0:19:31.330 this plan? 0:19:31.409 --> 0:19:31.570 Here? 0:19:32.330 --> 0:19:36.729 The plan, we remind him is to call madamnicolea. 0:19:36.850 --> 0:19:41.890 We'll give her a call. Yeah, oh jeez, okay, okay. 0:19:42.209 --> 0:19:44.850 I hang up and cross my fingers. Well, Lock and 0:19:44.889 --> 0:19:49.649 Mona phone, they'll report back afterwards. For a long half hour, 0:19:49.889 --> 0:19:52.570 I sit on the floor wondering what could be going on, 0:19:53.609 --> 0:19:57.250 And after speaking with Madamnicole, Lock and Mona call me back. 0:19:57.570 --> 0:19:59.410 I'm dying to know what happened. 0:20:00.290 --> 0:20:01.810 It was amazing. Okay. 0:20:02.889 --> 0:20:07.050 Locke tells me how Madamnicole responded to his accusation right away, 0:20:07.730 --> 0:20:14.850 and she told him incredibly, Yes, she absolutely stole children's cheese. 0:20:15.730 --> 0:20:17.329 Okay, I'm rattled right now. 0:20:24.250 --> 0:20:28.330 According to Madomnicole, the thievery was a teaching tool. 0:20:29.090 --> 0:20:31.969 She was really like drilling in the fact that she 0:20:32.010 --> 0:20:36.009 wanted us to know the word fromage. And she claims 0:20:36.010 --> 0:20:38.450 that everybody knows the word fromage now, so it obviously 0:20:38.530 --> 0:20:39.889 works well. 0:20:39.889 --> 0:20:43.169 I can appreciate Madaminicole's willingness to try out of the 0:20:43.209 --> 0:20:47.369 box teaching methods. Fromage does not to me seem like 0:20:47.490 --> 0:20:50.249 that hard of a word to learn. There had to 0:20:50.290 --> 0:20:54.289 be something else behind it, and it turns out there was. 0:20:54.970 --> 0:20:59.369 She said that she knew the kids were getting mad 0:20:59.409 --> 0:21:01.490 when when she would do it when she was still 0:21:01.530 --> 0:21:04.129 at Sees, and she just thought the looks on their 0:21:04.169 --> 0:21:06.569 faces were so funny. 0:21:07.970 --> 0:21:11.570 They looked stunned old Locke, like they'd just been slapped. 0:21:12.369 --> 0:21:16.770 It was, in her words, fantastic, like. 0:21:16.889 --> 0:21:19.929 In that way, you could kind of perceive it as well, 0:21:20.730 --> 0:21:23.810 she's a little crazy. It would kick out of it, 0:21:23.929 --> 0:21:26.570 devastating these kids, but at the end of the day, 0:21:26.609 --> 0:21:27.649 it was just hilarious. 0:21:27.770 --> 0:21:30.129 So it was just like a running joke with herself. 0:21:31.649 --> 0:21:32.609 Yeah, pretty much. 0:21:33.290 --> 0:21:38.169 Yeah, a joke that made an impression. All these years later. 0:21:38.689 --> 0:21:41.929 Locke likely wouldn't even remember madominicole were it not for 0:21:42.010 --> 0:21:46.490 these cheese shenanigans. So maybe her teaching tool worked after all. 0:21:47.290 --> 0:21:49.970 Maybe she understood that you tend to remember the negative 0:21:50.050 --> 0:21:53.490 over the positive. Maybe she needed to keep things lively 0:21:53.530 --> 0:21:56.129 for herself to be able to pass that energy onto 0:21:56.169 --> 0:21:59.889 the kids. Or maybe she just saw an easy way 0:21:59.929 --> 0:22:03.170 to get her hands on some free cheese. Like she was. 0:22:03.369 --> 0:22:05.609 Adamant about how much she liked cheese. That's for sure. 0:22:06.250 --> 0:22:09.889 We weren't wrong on that front. Yeah, And she says 0:22:09.929 --> 0:22:13.489 that the parents theasy knew about it, and they also 0:22:13.490 --> 0:22:15.290 thought it was funny. So at Christmas and at the 0:22:15.369 --> 0:22:17.049 end of the year she would get gifts of like 0:22:17.649 --> 0:22:22.249 wheels and wheels and cheese. Clearly everybody else thought it 0:22:22.250 --> 0:22:30.050 was funny except for the kids. 0:22:30.970 --> 0:22:33.050 Yeah, I think those are those are the highlights. 0:22:33.409 --> 0:22:37.050 How does it feel to have this confirmed directly from 0:22:37.090 --> 0:22:37.570 her mouth? 0:22:39.770 --> 0:22:45.489 It's cool? Like this cool that. Don't know, it feels 0:22:45.490 --> 0:22:47.530 weird to say that it's over, but like the story 0:22:47.609 --> 0:22:49.330 is complete now, like I actually. 0:22:49.010 --> 0:22:50.249 Know what happened. 0:22:51.330 --> 0:22:55.050 Lucke did fantasize some of the specific details. Madam Nicole 0:22:55.129 --> 0:22:57.729 said there was no locked cabinet, she'd eat the cheese 0:22:57.810 --> 0:23:00.649 right away, and she never thieved as a punitive measure. 0:23:01.330 --> 0:23:05.050 But he was right about the basic truth. Indeed, he 0:23:05.129 --> 0:23:09.369 had a kindergarten teacher who routinely stole her student's cheese. 0:23:10.090 --> 0:23:13.050 And next time he tells this story, if anyone thinks 0:23:13.409 --> 0:23:16.169 this man is a total liar, he can point to 0:23:16.209 --> 0:23:18.409 this episode disproof of the whole thing. 0:23:20.010 --> 0:23:23.050 Her voice is yeah, exactly how I imagine, but the 0:23:23.169 --> 0:23:24.850 tone is not. She's so friendly. 0:23:25.209 --> 0:23:26.249 Did she remember you? 0:23:26.730 --> 0:23:27.969 Yeah, she did, and. 0:23:27.850 --> 0:23:28.530 My brothers too. 0:23:28.570 --> 0:23:31.249 I was telling her where they had ended up. She 0:23:31.449 --> 0:23:35.209 like seems to take a like, real genuine pleasure and 0:23:35.290 --> 0:23:38.889 joy out of knowing that some of her students are 0:23:38.889 --> 0:23:42.289 having success. And it really it turns out she's just 0:23:42.889 --> 0:23:46.410 like a genuinely great person. I couldn't have been more 0:23:46.490 --> 0:23:47.209 wrong about her. 0:23:47.290 --> 0:23:51.570 Yeah, your opinion really did a one to eighty? 0:23:51.929 --> 0:23:54.850 Really did? I want to I want to redact all 0:23:54.889 --> 0:23:58.129 the all the terrible things I might have said in 0:23:58.209 --> 0:23:59.889 the past. Too too great. 0:24:00.689 --> 0:24:04.090 The cartoon villain of Locke's memories has melted into a 0:24:04.129 --> 0:24:07.930 real person. Speaking with her all these years later, he's 0:24:07.970 --> 0:24:10.050 able to see his old tea not the way a 0:24:10.090 --> 0:24:13.410 five year old would, but as another adult, Like. 0:24:13.649 --> 0:24:16.529 Now that I'm more mature, I see that this is 0:24:16.530 --> 0:24:19.050 all actually really funny. And if I were a kindergarten indeed, 0:24:19.169 --> 0:24:21.250 it's probably they're doing similar things. 0:24:21.810 --> 0:24:25.290 And in fact, Locke may be doing similar things pretty soon, 0:24:26.010 --> 0:24:29.210 because he tells me he's getting tired of his vagabond lifestyle, 0:24:29.530 --> 0:24:32.530 that he's ready to put down some roots. He's thinking 0:24:32.570 --> 0:24:36.050 about becoming a teacher, and if he does, he wants 0:24:36.090 --> 0:24:38.649 to be the fun kind, the kind that keeps his 0:24:38.730 --> 0:24:43.129 students guessing, the teacher they'll remember for years down the road. 0:25:11.570 --> 0:25:16.490