1 00:00:15,210 --> 00:00:15,730 Speaker 1: Pushkin. 2 00:00:21,530 --> 00:00:25,370 Speaker 2: Hello, Hi, Hi, I'm just out for a walk. 3 00:00:25,930 --> 00:00:27,010 Speaker 1: What do I owe the pleasure? 4 00:00:27,290 --> 00:00:30,890 Speaker 3: I have a story and I thought that you in 5 00:00:30,930 --> 00:00:34,210 Speaker 3: particular might be interested in it. Because it takes place 6 00:00:34,250 --> 00:00:34,889 Speaker 3: in Canada. 7 00:00:35,250 --> 00:00:38,449 Speaker 4: It does create a special in my years, per cup. 8 00:00:38,210 --> 00:00:41,569 Speaker 3: A little like Pavlov's bell. I hear Canada. 9 00:00:41,690 --> 00:00:43,650 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like my math starts to salivate. 10 00:00:43,810 --> 00:00:46,530 Speaker 3: In fact, it's not just about Canada, but it's about 11 00:00:46,690 --> 00:00:49,089 Speaker 3: going to school in Canada, which you did. 12 00:00:49,409 --> 00:00:51,530 Speaker 2: Yeah, I did. I was schooled in Canada. I went 13 00:00:51,569 --> 00:00:56,570 Speaker 2: through French immersion all the way from kindergarten up until 14 00:00:56,690 --> 00:00:57,730 Speaker 2: eleventh grade. 15 00:00:57,970 --> 00:00:59,850 Speaker 3: Could you introduce the show in French? 16 00:01:00,130 --> 00:01:02,330 Speaker 2: Oh? Boy, that's that's a lot to ask. What's what's 17 00:01:02,330 --> 00:01:13,050 Speaker 2: the name of the episode? The sat say, look suet 18 00:01:13,450 --> 00:01:14,570 Speaker 2: in bon Acute. 19 00:01:14,970 --> 00:01:18,410 Speaker 3: That's beautiful. And there are the sounds of sirens to 20 00:01:18,530 --> 00:01:19,130 Speaker 3: ring us in. 21 00:01:20,050 --> 00:01:23,050 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're the sirens of good narrative storyteller. 22 00:01:24,330 --> 00:01:35,050 Speaker 3: Watch out, everybody. I'm Khalila Holt and this is heavyweight. 23 00:01:35,850 --> 00:01:38,569 Speaker 3: Today is heavyweight short lock. 24 00:01:45,650 --> 00:02:01,010 Speaker 1: Right after the break, Hi, is this Lachlan? Hello? 25 00:02:01,810 --> 00:02:02,090 Speaker 3: Hello? 26 00:02:02,210 --> 00:02:04,010 Speaker 4: Can you hear me Ollo? 27 00:02:05,090 --> 00:02:09,290 Speaker 3: Despite his lack of confirmation, this is indeed Lachlan or 28 00:02:09,329 --> 00:02:12,049 Speaker 3: Locke for short. Hi, It's Khalila calling. 29 00:02:12,090 --> 00:02:12,450 Speaker 2: How are you? 30 00:02:15,450 --> 00:02:16,730 Speaker 5: Oh Hi, how are you? 31 00:02:17,970 --> 00:02:20,690 Speaker 3: Locke is twenty years old. When I ask him what 32 00:02:20,730 --> 00:02:25,490 Speaker 3: he does, he says he plants trees, but also he's traveling. 33 00:02:26,330 --> 00:02:31,050 Speaker 3: But also he's kind of a student. He's a disorienting 34 00:02:31,130 --> 00:02:34,530 Speaker 3: person to talk to. Like, despite the fact that we 35 00:02:34,610 --> 00:02:40,530 Speaker 3: exchanged multiple emails setting up this call, I forget yeah. 36 00:02:41,330 --> 00:02:44,850 Speaker 3: And in fact, it's Locke's questionable memory that we're here 37 00:02:44,930 --> 00:02:47,970 Speaker 3: to talk about today, because he's come to me with 38 00:02:48,010 --> 00:02:52,450 Speaker 3: an improbable story, something he recalls vividly but that no 39 00:02:52,490 --> 00:02:57,450 Speaker 3: one else believes actually happened. In revisiting this memory, Lock 40 00:02:57,570 --> 00:03:02,050 Speaker 3: hopes to expose an injustice, to unseat a tyrant, to 41 00:03:02,130 --> 00:03:05,770 Speaker 3: confront a nemesis he's obsessed over since he was just 42 00:03:05,850 --> 00:03:06,650 Speaker 3: five years old. 43 00:03:07,690 --> 00:03:08,610 Speaker 5: But that's a call. 44 00:03:10,130 --> 00:03:14,330 Speaker 3: Madame Nicole, Locke's kindergarten French immersion teacher. 45 00:03:20,170 --> 00:03:23,330 Speaker 5: She wore like mean looking glasses and she kind of 46 00:03:23,410 --> 00:03:24,490 Speaker 5: scowled all the time. 47 00:03:25,090 --> 00:03:28,090 Speaker 3: Locke describes her as an exact double of Edna Mode 48 00:03:28,130 --> 00:03:29,130 Speaker 3: from The Incredibles. 49 00:03:29,450 --> 00:03:33,810 Speaker 5: That's exactly what she looks like, really tiny, short, black 50 00:03:33,850 --> 00:03:37,570 Speaker 5: hair cut off, really sharply, like a ninety degree angle, 51 00:03:38,130 --> 00:03:40,410 Speaker 5: and she like would just kind of walk around and 52 00:03:40,530 --> 00:03:43,090 Speaker 5: like do mean shit all the time. 53 00:03:43,810 --> 00:03:46,570 Speaker 3: But what set her apart from your garden variety evil 54 00:03:46,610 --> 00:03:52,730 Speaker 3: French teacher was one particular habit. According to Locke, Madamnikole 55 00:03:52,930 --> 00:03:58,170 Speaker 3: was a thief. A cheese thief. Madamnicole stole cheese from 56 00:03:58,250 --> 00:03:59,610 Speaker 3: her five year old students. 57 00:04:00,090 --> 00:04:03,130 Speaker 5: Sometimes I would just walk into class and it was 58 00:04:03,170 --> 00:04:05,890 Speaker 5: like before she starts the lesson, it was just like, oh, 59 00:04:05,890 --> 00:04:08,530 Speaker 5: do you have cheese today? And I'd say, yeah, so 60 00:04:08,690 --> 00:04:18,130 Speaker 5: she it You're kind of never see. Like sometimes if 61 00:04:18,130 --> 00:04:20,850 Speaker 5: I was in trouble, then she would like it would 62 00:04:20,849 --> 00:04:23,250 Speaker 5: be a punishment. She takes my cheese as punishment, but 63 00:04:23,250 --> 00:04:25,849 Speaker 5: it's hardly a punishment because she was gonna do it anyway. 64 00:04:26,330 --> 00:04:29,289 Speaker 5: She didn't even refrigerate it. She would put it in 65 00:04:29,369 --> 00:04:32,770 Speaker 5: this cabinet, like in a little wooden cabinet and had 66 00:04:32,770 --> 00:04:34,729 Speaker 5: a padlock on it, like as if I was going 67 00:04:34,810 --> 00:04:36,089 Speaker 5: to try to steal my cheese back. 68 00:04:36,250 --> 00:04:40,330 Speaker 3: Do you believe that? I can't really believe it. It 69 00:04:40,409 --> 00:04:43,569 Speaker 3: seems made up like something a cartoon villain would do. 70 00:04:44,890 --> 00:04:49,609 Speaker 5: I know how it sounds belief. It's pretty ridiculous, but 71 00:04:49,849 --> 00:04:52,129 Speaker 5: that's the problem, because I've told so many people and 72 00:04:52,169 --> 00:04:56,409 Speaker 5: they just laugh it off. I'm running a crew floor fire. 73 00:04:56,250 --> 00:04:59,570 Speaker 3: If I did this season fighting forest fires being another 74 00:04:59,609 --> 00:05:02,170 Speaker 3: of locks many pursuits, so like, I'm I have to. 75 00:05:02,089 --> 00:05:04,770 Speaker 5: Build some sort of credibility with my crew members. And 76 00:05:04,810 --> 00:05:07,650 Speaker 5: the first time I met a bunch of my crew members, 77 00:05:07,729 --> 00:05:12,729 Speaker 5: I told them this cheese story. They all started laughing 78 00:05:12,770 --> 00:05:15,450 Speaker 5: and say like, oh, come on, a bullshit. So now 79 00:05:15,489 --> 00:05:17,609 Speaker 5: all these people are about to work for me, the 80 00:05:17,650 --> 00:05:19,290 Speaker 5: only thing they know about me is that I have 81 00:05:19,450 --> 00:05:22,610 Speaker 5: this like totally false cheese story. 82 00:05:24,250 --> 00:05:27,729 Speaker 3: So for Locke, the frustration isn't simply that this happened, 83 00:05:28,169 --> 00:05:31,370 Speaker 3: but that no one believes that it happened. Locke has 84 00:05:31,450 --> 00:05:36,489 Speaker 3: lost not only his cheese but his credibility because the 85 00:05:36,570 --> 00:05:40,489 Speaker 3: joy of sharing an unbelievable story lies and ultimately convincing 86 00:05:40,529 --> 00:05:44,010 Speaker 3: your audience that it's true. When you're done, you want 87 00:05:44,089 --> 00:05:48,929 Speaker 3: them to think, Wow, how completely wild. Not this man 88 00:05:49,049 --> 00:05:49,929 Speaker 3: is a total liar. 89 00:05:50,450 --> 00:05:51,809 Speaker 5: I would just like to be able to tell the 90 00:05:51,849 --> 00:05:55,369 Speaker 5: story that people believe it some sort of validations that 91 00:05:55,450 --> 00:05:55,770 Speaker 5: are not. 92 00:05:56,250 --> 00:06:02,130 Speaker 3: Completely insane, right, And so Locke wants me to obtain 93 00:06:02,169 --> 00:06:05,609 Speaker 3: a confession from the thief herself to prove that this 94 00:06:05,690 --> 00:06:08,849 Speaker 3: really went on. And what's more, he wants me to 95 00:06:08,849 --> 00:06:11,809 Speaker 3: find out why it went on, because. 96 00:06:11,570 --> 00:06:13,890 Speaker 5: I don't think there's anyone in the world that is 97 00:06:13,929 --> 00:06:17,330 Speaker 5: that big of a fan of cheese that's killing You're 98 00:06:17,409 --> 00:06:19,529 Speaker 5: risking your career, Paul. I don't know if it's worth 99 00:06:19,570 --> 00:06:23,089 Speaker 5: firing over, but you know she's risky getting in trouble 100 00:06:23,130 --> 00:06:25,689 Speaker 5: for this. Like, I just don't get it. I just 101 00:06:25,729 --> 00:06:29,129 Speaker 5: don't understand at all what was going on there. 102 00:06:34,890 --> 00:06:37,489 Speaker 3: Before I get to what was going on there, I 103 00:06:37,529 --> 00:06:40,330 Speaker 3: want some reassurance that anything was going on at all, 104 00:06:41,049 --> 00:06:44,010 Speaker 3: because if Locke can't even remember scheduling a phone call 105 00:06:44,130 --> 00:06:47,890 Speaker 3: last week, what are the chances he accurately recalls something 106 00:06:47,929 --> 00:06:50,330 Speaker 3: from when he was five. I don't want to go 107 00:06:50,409 --> 00:06:54,489 Speaker 3: around falsely accusing this elderly French Canadian woman of larceny. 108 00:06:55,369 --> 00:06:57,289 Speaker 3: So I asked Locke if he's still in touch with 109 00:06:57,330 --> 00:06:59,689 Speaker 3: anyone else from that class who might be able to 110 00:06:59,729 --> 00:07:01,089 Speaker 3: corroborate his memories. 111 00:07:01,570 --> 00:07:03,650 Speaker 5: Yeah. I have a few friends. One of them, though, 112 00:07:03,770 --> 00:07:07,289 Speaker 5: is like is a notorious war But then another friend, 113 00:07:07,529 --> 00:07:09,409 Speaker 5: he's a pretty reliable guy. 114 00:07:10,330 --> 00:07:14,730 Speaker 3: I start with lockslyer friend who rustles the phone around 115 00:07:14,770 --> 00:07:18,530 Speaker 3: as liars are wont to do and then hangs up 116 00:07:18,570 --> 00:07:22,809 Speaker 3: on me. But Locke's other friend, Colin, reliable as build 117 00:07:23,250 --> 00:07:24,570 Speaker 3: schedules of time to talk. 118 00:07:25,410 --> 00:07:29,410 Speaker 6: I've known Lock since the class that was actually talking 119 00:07:29,450 --> 00:07:32,210 Speaker 6: about uh huh, And I always thought he was so 120 00:07:32,489 --> 00:07:35,810 Speaker 6: weird because he would eat the whole apple, including the core. 121 00:07:36,610 --> 00:07:38,770 Speaker 6: This is this kid in kindergarten that way, And that's 122 00:07:38,810 --> 00:07:40,569 Speaker 6: just like kind of his like personality is kind of 123 00:07:40,610 --> 00:07:43,930 Speaker 6: like hardcore like opera. He's finished an apple, there was 124 00:07:44,010 --> 00:07:44,770 Speaker 6: just nothing left. 125 00:07:45,530 --> 00:07:48,569 Speaker 3: In other words, Locke's a guy who never gives up 126 00:07:49,330 --> 00:07:53,809 Speaker 3: on some things like apples are bringing cheese thieves to justice. 127 00:07:54,170 --> 00:07:56,809 Speaker 6: He kind of commits to like weird things, like he 128 00:07:56,850 --> 00:07:59,730 Speaker 6: has a hard time committing to university, but he's like 129 00:08:00,010 --> 00:08:03,130 Speaker 6: so committed to getting getting to the bottom of the 130 00:08:03,170 --> 00:08:07,130 Speaker 6: story with them the code. But on that front, I 131 00:08:07,170 --> 00:08:10,930 Speaker 6: know Locke has these stories about her stealings. I can't 132 00:08:11,650 --> 00:08:12,610 Speaker 6: confirm more than that. 133 00:08:12,810 --> 00:08:21,610 Speaker 3: That Colin has no memory of any cheese stealing. What's more, 134 00:08:22,130 --> 00:08:25,449 Speaker 3: his sister was also in madom Nichol's class, and she 135 00:08:25,610 --> 00:08:26,690 Speaker 3: doesn't remember it either. 136 00:08:27,330 --> 00:08:29,570 Speaker 6: Like, honestly, I want to say it didn't happen. But 137 00:08:29,650 --> 00:08:32,410 Speaker 6: you can also tell that he's like frustrated by the 138 00:08:32,490 --> 00:08:35,530 Speaker 6: fact that I don't remember knowing Locke. 139 00:08:35,610 --> 00:08:38,970 Speaker 3: Colin says, it's all too likely the story is something 140 00:08:39,050 --> 00:08:51,450 Speaker 3: he invented and then convinced himself was true. I'm not 141 00:08:51,530 --> 00:08:54,850 Speaker 3: altogether surprised by this turn of events, but I am 142 00:08:54,890 --> 00:08:58,570 Speaker 3: disappointed that the Kindergarten cheese burglar seems to be no 143 00:08:58,690 --> 00:09:01,570 Speaker 3: more than a myth, and like a terrier on the 144 00:09:01,610 --> 00:09:04,850 Speaker 3: scent of some buried bree, I can't help but dig 145 00:09:04,890 --> 00:09:08,450 Speaker 3: a little more. As it turns out, there are two 146 00:09:08,530 --> 00:09:12,730 Speaker 3: other people who were students of Madam Nicole. Locke's older brothers, 147 00:09:13,370 --> 00:09:17,610 Speaker 3: so I set up some time with his middle brother, Finn. Hello, Hi, 148 00:09:17,730 --> 00:09:21,730 Speaker 3: finn is Khalila. 149 00:09:22,010 --> 00:09:24,570 Speaker 5: Oh sorry, completely. 150 00:09:24,290 --> 00:09:29,010 Speaker 3: Scott, a family trade, I guess. Finn backs up Collin's 151 00:09:29,090 --> 00:09:32,929 Speaker 3: characterization of his brother as an untrustworthy, fabulous. 152 00:09:33,090 --> 00:09:36,090 Speaker 4: Locks like a fantasy liar like Locke, believes the things 153 00:09:36,090 --> 00:09:38,050 Speaker 4: he's lying about a lot of the time. If I 154 00:09:38,050 --> 00:09:40,130 Speaker 4: were you getting a call from Lock and Lock only, 155 00:09:40,610 --> 00:09:42,010 Speaker 4: I would I would hang up and. 156 00:09:41,930 --> 00:09:46,530 Speaker 3: Move on speaking with Finn. It seems increasingly foolish for 157 00:09:46,570 --> 00:09:49,370 Speaker 3: me to put any stock in Locke's barrel of lies 158 00:09:50,330 --> 00:09:54,850 Speaker 3: still like a terrier with a metalworking apprenticeship. I forge 159 00:09:54,890 --> 00:09:59,730 Speaker 3: ahead when I say, Madame Nicole, what are your associations? 160 00:10:00,130 --> 00:10:05,690 Speaker 4: So immediately cheese. We all take out our stacks, and 161 00:10:05,770 --> 00:10:08,410 Speaker 4: she would like, ooh, famage and come in and like 162 00:10:08,570 --> 00:10:10,810 Speaker 4: grab one from somebody and then put it in her 163 00:10:10,810 --> 00:10:12,490 Speaker 4: little tupperware and go back to her desk. 164 00:10:13,570 --> 00:10:18,850 Speaker 3: So finn like Locke remembers the thievery, which means Madam 165 00:10:18,970 --> 00:10:22,610 Speaker 3: Nicole had been stealing cheese for years before Locke even 166 00:10:22,690 --> 00:10:23,730 Speaker 3: came on the scene. 167 00:10:24,610 --> 00:10:26,570 Speaker 4: So weird, but it's true. 168 00:10:26,810 --> 00:10:28,370 Speaker 5: That's the weirdest part of it all. 169 00:10:29,090 --> 00:10:31,730 Speaker 3: I also speak with Locke's oldest brother Owen. 170 00:10:32,210 --> 00:10:33,810 Speaker 5: I love cheese, my mom do that. 171 00:10:33,850 --> 00:10:35,290 Speaker 4: I'm like a cheese fanatic. 172 00:10:35,810 --> 00:10:39,050 Speaker 3: Owen backs up lock story too. He tells me in 173 00:10:39,170 --> 00:10:42,570 Speaker 3: kindergarten he used to save his precious cheese for last, 174 00:10:42,930 --> 00:10:45,610 Speaker 3: making its cruel theft all the more painful. 175 00:10:46,090 --> 00:10:48,850 Speaker 5: The clearest memory is probably the first time it happened, 176 00:10:49,290 --> 00:10:50,530 Speaker 5: and it was a baby bell. 177 00:10:50,730 --> 00:10:55,090 Speaker 4: You know, this bread beacon in my lunch box, and 178 00:10:55,130 --> 00:10:57,770 Speaker 4: so just out it goes, and. 179 00:10:57,690 --> 00:11:02,650 Speaker 3: She said next see for our anglophone listeners. Mercy is 180 00:11:02,690 --> 00:11:11,850 Speaker 3: the French word for thank you, And with that, I'm 181 00:11:11,890 --> 00:11:16,330 Speaker 3: ready to get a confession from the vulur herself or voluse, 182 00:11:16,450 --> 00:11:19,850 Speaker 3: I guess would be the feminine. I haven't taken French 183 00:11:19,850 --> 00:11:24,850 Speaker 3: in a long time. I'm ready to approche Madamnicole, if 184 00:11:24,850 --> 00:11:28,570 Speaker 3: only I can find her. When you're looking for something 185 00:11:28,610 --> 00:11:32,090 Speaker 3: you've lost, people always tell you to retrace your steps. 186 00:11:32,650 --> 00:11:35,490 Speaker 3: So I retrace lock steps back to his old school. 187 00:11:35,850 --> 00:11:37,770 Speaker 6: You need to speak to someone in the main office. 188 00:11:37,970 --> 00:11:41,490 Speaker 3: Please press zero to find out if Madominicole might still 189 00:11:41,490 --> 00:11:42,210 Speaker 3: be teaching there. 190 00:11:42,530 --> 00:11:44,130 Speaker 1: No, she's not here, she's retired. 191 00:11:44,330 --> 00:11:47,210 Speaker 3: Okay, would you happen to have any contact info for her? 192 00:11:48,130 --> 00:11:50,290 Speaker 1: If you send me something, I could send it to her. 193 00:11:51,410 --> 00:11:55,570 Speaker 3: And so I find myself composing a delicate email, something 194 00:11:55,690 --> 00:12:00,290 Speaker 3: vague and accusationless enough not to scare off Madomnikole. There's 195 00:12:00,290 --> 00:12:03,250 Speaker 3: an old student of yours. I say, he still thinks 196 00:12:03,290 --> 00:12:06,090 Speaker 3: about you all the time. He wants to confirm a memory. 197 00:12:07,170 --> 00:12:10,850 Speaker 3: But maybe I'm not delicate enough, because weeks go by 198 00:12:11,170 --> 00:12:15,730 Speaker 3: and I never hear back. The thief is on the lamb. 199 00:12:19,570 --> 00:12:23,610 Speaker 3: If Madamnicole likes cheese half as much as Locke remembers, 200 00:12:24,010 --> 00:12:27,570 Speaker 3: surely she must be getting her fixed somewhere, so with 201 00:12:27,650 --> 00:12:30,530 Speaker 3: no other leads on how to find her, I try 202 00:12:30,530 --> 00:12:36,970 Speaker 3: the only thing I can think of. I look up 203 00:12:37,010 --> 00:12:39,850 Speaker 3: every cheese shop within a ten mile radius of Locke's 204 00:12:39,850 --> 00:12:43,210 Speaker 3: old school and start calling. She's described to me as 205 00:12:43,330 --> 00:12:45,490 Speaker 3: at an a mode from The Incredibles if you've seen 206 00:12:45,570 --> 00:12:51,130 Speaker 3: that movie. I'm sorry you're asking about a specific customer, small, 207 00:12:51,210 --> 00:12:52,410 Speaker 3: big glasses. 208 00:12:52,690 --> 00:13:01,490 Speaker 6: Unfortunately, no, thank you for calling, and have a grateful day. 209 00:13:02,370 --> 00:13:05,890 Speaker 3: I do learn, though, that Madamnicole isn't the only burglar 210 00:13:05,970 --> 00:13:09,730 Speaker 3: out there. She's actually part of a grand tradition of theft. 211 00:13:10,130 --> 00:13:13,730 Speaker 4: There's some issues with part of me, like Parmageno agiano, 212 00:13:13,850 --> 00:13:15,890 Speaker 4: like wheels of parm because you look at it like 213 00:13:15,930 --> 00:13:17,210 Speaker 4: a thousand bucks a wheel, right. 214 00:13:17,370 --> 00:13:19,050 Speaker 5: A lot of theft in in the past. You know 215 00:13:19,210 --> 00:13:20,170 Speaker 5: you hear the stories. 216 00:13:20,890 --> 00:13:24,210 Speaker 3: I have not heard the stories, but by now I'm 217 00:13:24,250 --> 00:13:27,290 Speaker 3: all in. So when I get off the phone, I 218 00:13:27,370 --> 00:13:31,130 Speaker 3: go looking for them. According to a report from the 219 00:13:31,210 --> 00:13:38,250 Speaker 3: Consortio del Fromaggio Parmigiano Reggiano, three million dollars worth of 220 00:13:38,250 --> 00:13:42,810 Speaker 3: parmesan cheese is stolen every year in Italy alone. Time 221 00:13:42,890 --> 00:13:46,090 Speaker 3: magazine says cheese in general is actually the most stolen 222 00:13:46,130 --> 00:13:49,530 Speaker 3: food in the world, and after my first fourteen YouTube 223 00:13:49,610 --> 00:13:53,450 Speaker 3: videos on the subject, I let auto play like Jesus 224 00:13:53,970 --> 00:13:54,690 Speaker 3: take the wheel. 225 00:13:55,050 --> 00:13:58,530 Speaker 6: Right now, police are looking for twenty thousand pounds of 226 00:13:58,650 --> 00:13:59,530 Speaker 6: stolen cheese. 227 00:14:00,010 --> 00:14:03,530 Speaker 5: Stage's fifteen is in trouble with police. 228 00:14:03,690 --> 00:14:07,130 Speaker 3: There are still some holes in this case, but detectives 229 00:14:07,130 --> 00:14:11,170 Speaker 3: say they have stringed all the evidence together. Holes in 230 00:14:11,250 --> 00:14:16,250 Speaker 3: this case say cheese. It seems like it's physically impossible 231 00:14:16,370 --> 00:14:19,490 Speaker 3: for anyone reporting on cheese theft to do so without 232 00:14:19,570 --> 00:14:23,170 Speaker 3: making some terrible pun and as someone reporting on this 233 00:14:23,290 --> 00:14:27,530 Speaker 3: topic myself, I feel an obligation to my fellow journalists 234 00:14:27,570 --> 00:14:31,130 Speaker 3: to join the cheese pun fray. But jokes like that 235 00:14:31,250 --> 00:14:35,050 Speaker 3: are just really not my thing. I'd find it physically 236 00:14:35,170 --> 00:14:40,530 Speaker 3: uncomfortable too. For example, characterize Madmnicole as a monster, or 237 00:14:40,570 --> 00:14:43,610 Speaker 3: to say that I hope to close the caso. It 238 00:14:43,650 --> 00:14:45,810 Speaker 3: makes me want to throw up to think of asking 239 00:14:45,850 --> 00:14:48,890 Speaker 3: something like did you have an accomplice or did you 240 00:14:48,970 --> 00:14:53,010 Speaker 3: work prob alone? You wouldn't catch me dead. Referring to 241 00:14:53,050 --> 00:14:56,130 Speaker 3: all that cheese sitting in a locked cabinet as a 242 00:14:56,170 --> 00:15:05,770 Speaker 3: FETA comply, I'm finally saved from the depths of my 243 00:15:05,850 --> 00:15:10,090 Speaker 3: despair and cheese video induced badness by two critical pieces 244 00:15:10,090 --> 00:15:14,650 Speaker 3: of information. The first comes from Locke's family. They find 245 00:15:14,650 --> 00:15:18,050 Speaker 3: an old report card from that time and on it 246 00:15:18,090 --> 00:15:22,450 Speaker 3: is Madamnicole's full name. The second comes from my network 247 00:15:22,450 --> 00:15:26,410 Speaker 3: of spies on the street, courtesy of Locke's honest friend Colin. 248 00:15:26,850 --> 00:15:28,370 Speaker 6: I was talking to my mom and she said she 249 00:15:28,450 --> 00:15:31,170 Speaker 6: might have spotted her in like our neighborhood. 250 00:15:31,770 --> 00:15:34,730 Speaker 3: She was walking near this big apartment building. Colin says, 251 00:15:35,410 --> 00:15:39,370 Speaker 3: maybe she lives there. And when I look up Madaminicole's name, 252 00:15:39,570 --> 00:15:42,970 Speaker 3: together with the address he gave me, I find a 253 00:15:42,970 --> 00:15:43,650 Speaker 3: phone number. 254 00:15:53,530 --> 00:15:54,330 Speaker 5: I don't. 255 00:16:11,530 --> 00:16:15,850 Speaker 4: Hello, hey, lock, Hey is cle It. 256 00:16:15,810 --> 00:16:19,370 Speaker 3: Is oh, the oh of a man who forgot he'd 257 00:16:19,410 --> 00:16:22,850 Speaker 3: scheduled something. It's been a while since Locke and I 258 00:16:22,970 --> 00:16:25,970 Speaker 3: last spoke. First he was working in Panama for a 259 00:16:26,010 --> 00:16:27,890 Speaker 3: month and a half, and then he was deep in 260 00:16:27,890 --> 00:16:31,370 Speaker 3: the Canadian wilderness. So I've been eagerly waiting to tell 261 00:16:31,450 --> 00:16:42,010 Speaker 3: him how I finally got a hold of Madomnicole. When 262 00:16:42,050 --> 00:16:44,970 Speaker 3: I caught her at home. Madomnicole told me she didn't 263 00:16:44,970 --> 00:16:48,490 Speaker 3: want to be interviewed for a podcast. She's a private person, 264 00:16:48,610 --> 00:16:51,210 Speaker 3: she said, and On top of that, she's not a 265 00:16:51,250 --> 00:16:56,250 Speaker 3: technological person. She quote hates all the machines. She doesn't 266 00:16:56,250 --> 00:16:59,290 Speaker 3: have a computer or a cell phone. I imagine even 267 00:16:59,290 --> 00:17:01,650 Speaker 3: hearing the word podcast gave her the feeling of a 268 00:17:01,690 --> 00:17:05,610 Speaker 3: demon entering her home. She told me that she would, however, 269 00:17:05,970 --> 00:17:08,689 Speaker 3: be happy to talk to Locke and for him to 270 00:17:08,730 --> 00:17:12,170 Speaker 3: relate the conversation back to me. So I am wondering 271 00:17:12,410 --> 00:17:15,649 Speaker 3: if you would call her and then tell me what 272 00:17:15,850 --> 00:17:17,249 Speaker 3: happens after the fact. 273 00:17:18,810 --> 00:17:24,210 Speaker 5: Oh man, okay, hmm. 274 00:17:25,250 --> 00:17:28,409 Speaker 3: This is not the reaction I was expecting. I thought 275 00:17:28,449 --> 00:17:30,609 Speaker 3: Locke would be over the moon to hear this news, 276 00:17:31,169 --> 00:17:33,810 Speaker 3: but he sounds, if anything, under the moon. 277 00:17:34,330 --> 00:17:37,889 Speaker 5: So kind of the reason that I approached you guys 278 00:17:38,250 --> 00:17:42,530 Speaker 5: was because it was cool, how like you'd act as 279 00:17:42,530 --> 00:17:45,249 Speaker 5: the interlock eater and sort of just like manage the 280 00:17:45,290 --> 00:17:48,969 Speaker 5: situation so one person doesn't have to actually sure. 281 00:17:50,010 --> 00:17:51,490 Speaker 3: Yeah, so. 282 00:17:55,290 --> 00:17:57,889 Speaker 5: Jeezus, Yeah that's hmm. 283 00:17:59,010 --> 00:18:01,970 Speaker 3: It's like Locke's reduced to a scared five year old 284 00:18:02,050 --> 00:18:04,969 Speaker 3: kid again, afraid of getting in trouble with the teacher. 285 00:18:05,810 --> 00:18:09,369 Speaker 3: So I offer a security blanket, an idea Madamina Cole 286 00:18:09,409 --> 00:18:13,009 Speaker 3: has agreed to as well. We could have Mona, who's 287 00:18:13,409 --> 00:18:16,449 Speaker 3: one of the other producers listen in on the call. Oh, 288 00:18:16,530 --> 00:18:18,330 Speaker 3: if you need help figuring out what to say? 289 00:18:19,290 --> 00:18:23,050 Speaker 5: Hmm, okay, that could work. 290 00:18:23,889 --> 00:18:27,530 Speaker 3: Selfishly, I also want Mona there as an insurance policy, 291 00:18:28,050 --> 00:18:30,330 Speaker 3: someone who can rat on lock if he slips into 292 00:18:30,369 --> 00:18:34,570 Speaker 3: one of his fantasy lies. Locke and I agree to 293 00:18:34,570 --> 00:18:37,850 Speaker 3: figure out the details in the coming days. But the 294 00:18:37,889 --> 00:18:40,850 Speaker 3: coming days go by, and then the days that come 295 00:18:40,889 --> 00:18:44,649 Speaker 3: after that, and Locke doesn't respond to any of my messages. 296 00:18:45,409 --> 00:18:47,929 Speaker 3: When he finally does get in touch, it's with an 297 00:18:47,970 --> 00:18:51,369 Speaker 3: email that says, a dog eat my phone. I think 298 00:18:52,369 --> 00:18:55,289 Speaker 3: I'm starting to see why Locke has had conflict with 299 00:18:55,409 --> 00:19:03,809 Speaker 3: his teachers. But after several more weeks of excuse making, 300 00:19:04,250 --> 00:19:06,850 Speaker 3: Locke admits that he'll be free one afternoon for a 301 00:19:06,889 --> 00:19:11,169 Speaker 3: phone call. So Mona and I like, Hey, this is 302 00:19:11,250 --> 00:19:12,129 Speaker 3: Mona from Heavyweight. 303 00:19:12,129 --> 00:19:12,970 Speaker 1: I'm here with Khalila. 304 00:19:13,290 --> 00:19:16,969 Speaker 3: Hello. Oh this time we catch him waiting in line 305 00:19:16,970 --> 00:19:20,530 Speaker 3: for his order at the Tim Horton's for our Anglophone listeners. 306 00:19:20,810 --> 00:19:23,570 Speaker 3: That's Canada's off brand version of dunkin Donuts. 307 00:19:23,929 --> 00:19:27,129 Speaker 5: Yeah. Sorry, I totally fixed up the day off that 308 00:19:27,209 --> 00:19:30,570 Speaker 5: I had. But yeah, what what are we doing with 309 00:19:30,810 --> 00:19:31,330 Speaker 5: this plan? 310 00:19:31,409 --> 00:19:31,570 Speaker 6: Here? 311 00:19:32,330 --> 00:19:36,729 Speaker 3: The plan, we remind him is to call madamnicolea. 312 00:19:36,850 --> 00:19:41,890 Speaker 5: We'll give her a call. Yeah, oh jeez, okay, okay. 313 00:19:42,209 --> 00:19:44,850 Speaker 3: I hang up and cross my fingers. Well, Lock and 314 00:19:44,889 --> 00:19:49,649 Speaker 3: Mona phone, they'll report back afterwards. For a long half hour, 315 00:19:49,889 --> 00:19:52,570 Speaker 3: I sit on the floor wondering what could be going on, 316 00:19:53,609 --> 00:19:57,250 Speaker 3: And after speaking with Madamnicole, Lock and Mona call me back. 317 00:19:57,570 --> 00:19:59,410 Speaker 3: I'm dying to know what happened. 318 00:20:00,290 --> 00:20:01,810 Speaker 5: It was amazing. Okay. 319 00:20:02,889 --> 00:20:07,050 Speaker 3: Locke tells me how Madamnicole responded to his accusation right away, 320 00:20:07,730 --> 00:20:14,850 Speaker 3: and she told him incredibly, Yes, she absolutely stole children's cheese. 321 00:20:15,730 --> 00:20:17,329 Speaker 5: Okay, I'm rattled right now. 322 00:20:24,250 --> 00:20:28,330 Speaker 3: According to Madomnicole, the thievery was a teaching tool. 323 00:20:29,090 --> 00:20:31,969 Speaker 5: She was really like drilling in the fact that she 324 00:20:32,010 --> 00:20:36,009 Speaker 5: wanted us to know the word fromage. And she claims 325 00:20:36,010 --> 00:20:38,450 Speaker 5: that everybody knows the word fromage now, so it obviously 326 00:20:38,530 --> 00:20:39,889 Speaker 5: works well. 327 00:20:39,889 --> 00:20:43,169 Speaker 3: I can appreciate Madaminicole's willingness to try out of the 328 00:20:43,209 --> 00:20:47,369 Speaker 3: box teaching methods. Fromage does not to me seem like 329 00:20:47,490 --> 00:20:50,249 Speaker 3: that hard of a word to learn. There had to 330 00:20:50,290 --> 00:20:54,289 Speaker 3: be something else behind it, and it turns out there was. 331 00:20:54,970 --> 00:20:59,369 Speaker 5: She said that she knew the kids were getting mad 332 00:20:59,409 --> 00:21:01,490 Speaker 5: when when she would do it when she was still 333 00:21:01,530 --> 00:21:04,129 Speaker 5: at Sees, and she just thought the looks on their 334 00:21:04,169 --> 00:21:06,569 Speaker 5: faces were so funny. 335 00:21:07,970 --> 00:21:11,570 Speaker 3: They looked stunned old Locke, like they'd just been slapped. 336 00:21:12,369 --> 00:21:16,770 Speaker 3: It was, in her words, fantastic, like. 337 00:21:16,889 --> 00:21:19,929 Speaker 5: In that way, you could kind of perceive it as well, 338 00:21:20,730 --> 00:21:23,810 Speaker 5: she's a little crazy. It would kick out of it, 339 00:21:23,929 --> 00:21:26,570 Speaker 5: devastating these kids, but at the end of the day, 340 00:21:26,609 --> 00:21:27,649 Speaker 5: it was just hilarious. 341 00:21:27,770 --> 00:21:30,129 Speaker 3: So it was just like a running joke with herself. 342 00:21:31,649 --> 00:21:32,609 Speaker 5: Yeah, pretty much. 343 00:21:33,290 --> 00:21:38,169 Speaker 3: Yeah, a joke that made an impression. All these years later. 344 00:21:38,689 --> 00:21:41,929 Speaker 3: Locke likely wouldn't even remember madominicole were it not for 345 00:21:42,010 --> 00:21:46,490 Speaker 3: these cheese shenanigans. So maybe her teaching tool worked after all. 346 00:21:47,290 --> 00:21:49,970 Speaker 3: Maybe she understood that you tend to remember the negative 347 00:21:50,050 --> 00:21:53,490 Speaker 3: over the positive. Maybe she needed to keep things lively 348 00:21:53,530 --> 00:21:56,129 Speaker 3: for herself to be able to pass that energy onto 349 00:21:56,169 --> 00:21:59,889 Speaker 3: the kids. Or maybe she just saw an easy way 350 00:21:59,929 --> 00:22:03,170 Speaker 3: to get her hands on some free cheese. Like she was. 351 00:22:03,369 --> 00:22:05,609 Speaker 5: Adamant about how much she liked cheese. That's for sure. 352 00:22:06,250 --> 00:22:09,889 Speaker 5: We weren't wrong on that front. Yeah, And she says 353 00:22:09,929 --> 00:22:13,489 Speaker 5: that the parents theasy knew about it, and they also 354 00:22:13,490 --> 00:22:15,290 Speaker 5: thought it was funny. So at Christmas and at the 355 00:22:15,369 --> 00:22:17,049 Speaker 5: end of the year she would get gifts of like 356 00:22:17,649 --> 00:22:22,249 Speaker 5: wheels and wheels and cheese. Clearly everybody else thought it 357 00:22:22,250 --> 00:22:30,050 Speaker 5: was funny except for the kids. 358 00:22:30,970 --> 00:22:33,050 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think those are those are the highlights. 359 00:22:33,409 --> 00:22:37,050 Speaker 3: How does it feel to have this confirmed directly from 360 00:22:37,090 --> 00:22:37,570 Speaker 3: her mouth? 361 00:22:39,770 --> 00:22:45,489 Speaker 5: It's cool? Like this cool that. Don't know, it feels 362 00:22:45,490 --> 00:22:47,530 Speaker 5: weird to say that it's over, but like the story 363 00:22:47,609 --> 00:22:49,330 Speaker 5: is complete now, like I actually. 364 00:22:49,010 --> 00:22:50,249 Speaker 4: Know what happened. 365 00:22:51,330 --> 00:22:55,050 Speaker 3: Lucke did fantasize some of the specific details. Madam Nicole 366 00:22:55,129 --> 00:22:57,729 Speaker 3: said there was no locked cabinet, she'd eat the cheese 367 00:22:57,810 --> 00:23:00,649 Speaker 3: right away, and she never thieved as a punitive measure. 368 00:23:01,330 --> 00:23:05,050 Speaker 3: But he was right about the basic truth. Indeed, he 369 00:23:05,129 --> 00:23:09,369 Speaker 3: had a kindergarten teacher who routinely stole her student's cheese. 370 00:23:10,090 --> 00:23:13,050 Speaker 3: And next time he tells this story, if anyone thinks 371 00:23:13,409 --> 00:23:16,169 Speaker 3: this man is a total liar, he can point to 372 00:23:16,209 --> 00:23:18,409 Speaker 3: this episode disproof of the whole thing. 373 00:23:20,010 --> 00:23:23,050 Speaker 5: Her voice is yeah, exactly how I imagine, but the 374 00:23:23,169 --> 00:23:24,850 Speaker 5: tone is not. She's so friendly. 375 00:23:25,209 --> 00:23:26,249 Speaker 3: Did she remember you? 376 00:23:26,730 --> 00:23:27,969 Speaker 5: Yeah, she did, and. 377 00:23:27,850 --> 00:23:28,530 Speaker 6: My brothers too. 378 00:23:28,570 --> 00:23:31,249 Speaker 5: I was telling her where they had ended up. She 379 00:23:31,449 --> 00:23:35,209 Speaker 5: like seems to take a like, real genuine pleasure and 380 00:23:35,290 --> 00:23:38,889 Speaker 5: joy out of knowing that some of her students are 381 00:23:38,889 --> 00:23:42,289 Speaker 5: having success. And it really it turns out she's just 382 00:23:42,889 --> 00:23:46,410 Speaker 5: like a genuinely great person. I couldn't have been more 383 00:23:46,490 --> 00:23:47,209 Speaker 5: wrong about her. 384 00:23:47,290 --> 00:23:51,570 Speaker 3: Yeah, your opinion really did a one to eighty? 385 00:23:51,929 --> 00:23:54,850 Speaker 5: Really did? I want to I want to redact all 386 00:23:54,889 --> 00:23:58,129 Speaker 5: the all the terrible things I might have said in 387 00:23:58,209 --> 00:23:59,889 Speaker 5: the past. Too too great. 388 00:24:00,689 --> 00:24:04,090 Speaker 3: The cartoon villain of Locke's memories has melted into a 389 00:24:04,129 --> 00:24:07,930 Speaker 3: real person. Speaking with her all these years later, he's 390 00:24:07,970 --> 00:24:10,050 Speaker 3: able to see his old tea not the way a 391 00:24:10,090 --> 00:24:13,410 Speaker 3: five year old would, but as another adult, Like. 392 00:24:13,649 --> 00:24:16,529 Speaker 5: Now that I'm more mature, I see that this is 393 00:24:16,530 --> 00:24:19,050 Speaker 5: all actually really funny. And if I were a kindergarten indeed, 394 00:24:19,169 --> 00:24:21,250 Speaker 5: it's probably they're doing similar things. 395 00:24:21,810 --> 00:24:25,290 Speaker 3: And in fact, Locke may be doing similar things pretty soon, 396 00:24:26,010 --> 00:24:29,210 Speaker 3: because he tells me he's getting tired of his vagabond lifestyle, 397 00:24:29,530 --> 00:24:32,530 Speaker 3: that he's ready to put down some roots. He's thinking 398 00:24:32,570 --> 00:24:36,050 Speaker 3: about becoming a teacher, and if he does, he wants 399 00:24:36,090 --> 00:24:38,649 Speaker 3: to be the fun kind, the kind that keeps his 400 00:24:38,730 --> 00:24:43,129 Speaker 3: students guessing, the teacher they'll remember for years down the road. 401 00:25:11,570 --> 00:25:16,490 Speaker 2: Now that the furnitures returning. 402 00:25:15,570 --> 00:25:17,609 Speaker 5: To its goodwill home. 403 00:25:20,850 --> 00:25:26,889 Speaker 2: Now that the last month's rent is skiming with the damage. 404 00:25:26,050 --> 00:25:29,570 Speaker 3: To take this moment to deserve. 405 00:25:31,770 --> 00:25:34,050 Speaker 5: If we meant it, if we chalk. 406 00:25:36,290 --> 00:25:38,170 Speaker 1: Felt around for five. 407 00:25:40,649 --> 00:25:49,489 Speaker 3: From things that Accidentally. This Heavyweight short was produced by 408 00:25:49,490 --> 00:25:53,609 Speaker 3: Phoebe Flanagan, Mohemy mcgauker, and me Khalila Holt, along with 409 00:25:53,689 --> 00:25:58,649 Speaker 3: Jonathan Goldstein. Our supervising producer is Stevie Lane. Special thanks 410 00:25:58,689 --> 00:26:02,009 Speaker 3: to Pierce Singing Wendy Zuckerman, and extra special thanks to 411 00:26:02,090 --> 00:26:06,609 Speaker 3: Locke's mom Dawn. Editorial guidance from Emily Condon. Bobby Lord 412 00:26:06,649 --> 00:26:10,450 Speaker 3: mixed the episode with original music by Christine john K Samson, 413 00:26:10,649 --> 00:26:14,929 Speaker 3: Blue Dot Sessions, Sean Jacoby and Bobby Lord. Additional music 414 00:26:14,929 --> 00:26:18,049 Speaker 3: credits can be found on our website gimlipmedia dot com 415 00:26:18,090 --> 00:26:21,010 Speaker 3: slash Heavyweight. Our theme song is by The weaker Lands, 416 00:26:21,090 --> 00:26:24,609 Speaker 3: courtesy of Epitaph Records. 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