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Speaker 1: have seen all year long here on the Draft Show.
Speaker 1: Kyle Yeoman's alongside Brian brought us. We've got David Hellman
Speaker 1: coming in just a couple of moments in. Bucky Brooks
Speaker 1: as well, should be here shortly. But Brian will start
Speaker 1: with you since well you're the only one here live
Speaker 1: and ready to go. But first off, what are your
Speaker 1: just general thoughts After having a couple of nights to
Speaker 1: look back on what was the twenty twenty one draft? No,
Speaker 1: it was, it was a very interesting draft. From overall,
Speaker 1: and I think what you do in your evaluating drafts
Speaker 1: is to see how teams address what they needed to accomplish.
Speaker 1: And I think when the team that we cover the
Speaker 1: most is the Dallas Cowboys, and so when you when
Speaker 1: you look at what they were able to do, how
Speaker 1: were they able to fix their defense? And that's what
Speaker 1: I think they went out and did, not only addressing
Speaker 1: in the offseason, going to get a new defensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: but adding some key pieces, you know, Micah Parsons, Kelvin Joseph.
Speaker 1: Those are good starts to what I thought was a
Speaker 1: good draft for the Cowboys. As you go through the
Speaker 1: entire draft, there were players that I was targeting. Did
Speaker 1: I really like that they were able to get So
Speaker 1: that was and good for them. So, Dave, I believe
Speaker 1: you are back on with us now. So Hellman, I asked,
Speaker 1: brought us this question a couple of moments ago. But
Speaker 1: what what was your general thought whenever he came to
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one draft and specifically the Cowboys class. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I said it before we were done on
Speaker 1: Saturday afternoons. I think this is the most boomer bust
Speaker 1: potential draft that I can remember covering, and what I
Speaker 1: mean by that is, you know, Micah Parsons is a
Speaker 1: super talented guy, but I think he's a raw prospect,
Speaker 1: a guy. You know, he opted out of twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: He's a young player. I don't want to say he's
Speaker 1: a guy without a position, but he's a guy that
Speaker 1: you've got to have a plan for how to use.
Speaker 1: You know, are you going to use him to rush
Speaker 1: the passer? How good is he in coverage? If all
Speaker 1: he does is stop the run, which I get it,
Speaker 1: that's important, But if that's all he does, are you
Speaker 1: getting the most out of a number twelve overall pick
Speaker 1: or can you find ways to get him to the
Speaker 1: quarterback and affect the passing game? Kelvin Joseph fantastic player,
Speaker 1: but we covered it during the draft. You know, not
Speaker 1: a bad guy, not a bad person, but somebody that
Speaker 1: that you know, left his first program and had problems
Speaker 1: at the other I think a guy that probably you
Speaker 1: would say maybe has maturity issues. So your first two
Speaker 1: picks right there, like the guys that you're counting on
Speaker 1: the most fantastically talented players, but you know, I think
Speaker 1: you better, you better have a plan for how to
Speaker 1: use them, and you better have a plan for how
Speaker 1: to help them succeed. And then, obviously, as we all remember,
Speaker 1: Friday can't say they were bad picks yet, but surprising picks.
Speaker 1: I just think picks that you know, there were guys
Speaker 1: that we liked more on the board. The consensus is
Speaker 1: that maybe the Cowboys liked those guys a lot more
Speaker 1: than other people did. Again, doesn't mean they'll be bad players,
Speaker 1: but it does create some intrigue one, two, three years
Speaker 1: down the line when you see what those guys become.
Speaker 1: So if the Cowboys hit on all this stuff, then
Speaker 1: they are gonna look really really smart, and if they don't,
Speaker 1: it's gonna look really really bad considering some of the
Speaker 1: other options that I think they had over the course
Speaker 1: of the draft. Brian, when I think Dave made a
Speaker 1: fantastic point. They're talking about kind of the early picks
Speaker 1: that are supposed to be the cornerstones of your draft class,
Speaker 1: those first, those second round picks, even sometimes into the third.
Speaker 1: But I think with three third round picks you have
Speaker 1: a little bit of leeway there. However, I mean with
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons and with Kelvin Joseph, there are some question
Speaker 1: marks there are some concerns leading into who they are
Speaker 1: on the field, because on the field they might be
Speaker 1: top twenty talents. In the film might be top twenty worthy.
Speaker 1: But why is that such a big question mark over
Speaker 1: both of these picks and how do you balance that
Speaker 1: from a scout standpoint and entering the draft and then
Speaker 1: post draft? Yeah, you know, when you especially when you're
Speaker 1: picking you know, high in the first round like they
Speaker 1: were with Parsons, Uh, you know, you just want the
Speaker 1: cleanest prospect. You don't want the guy that has any
Speaker 1: off the field concerns, you don't want medical concerns. You
Speaker 1: just want the cleanest player and the best player. And
Speaker 1: you know that that's the thing that that's the thing
Speaker 1: that might be a little troubling uh to folks out there,
Speaker 1: is that when you start to hear, you know, about
Speaker 1: zoom meetings and lack of medical information and face to
Speaker 1: face meetings and things like that, you kind of wonder
Speaker 1: where where all the where all the t's crossed, and
Speaker 1: where all the eyes dotted? Because you know, when you
Speaker 1: don't have thirty visits, when you don't have the opportunity
Speaker 1: to go have private workouts or sit to have dinner
Speaker 1: with these guys. You know, you can't really get to
Speaker 1: know these kids. And you know, Parsons and Joseph and
Speaker 1: those guys that you know, they had to your questions, Okay,
Speaker 1: why this, why that? Why did this happen? Why were
Speaker 1: you in this situation? And that's what this pandemic has brought.
Speaker 1: It's brought a lot of holes to the drafting process,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's hard for scouts because what happens
Speaker 1: is we're a face to face group. We're a face
Speaker 1: to face sit across from a kid and ask him
Speaker 1: those tough questions and see how his reaction is. And
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if you could always get
Speaker 1: that through the zoom meetings and things like that. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a little bit more of a deviation from what
Speaker 1: we've seen because during the Jason Garrett administration, you know,
Speaker 1: we saw like, oh, the right kind of guide. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that Parsons or Joseph could not be the
Speaker 1: right kind of guy, because Garrett and m they took
Speaker 1: some questionable guys too, but just not to the extent
Speaker 1: of what the Cowboys did in this past draft. Davis,
Speaker 1: this a direct reflection on a couple of things one,
Speaker 1: the change of the coaching staff like Brian just alluded to.
Speaker 1: Two COVID nineteen and maybe the lack of information on
Speaker 1: these players or is it three? Just basically desperation to
Speaker 1: try and fix that defense with the kind of players
Speaker 1: with that edge, with that attitude coming in and being
Speaker 1: sold on those type of guys whenever the draft process
Speaker 1: finally came around. I think that's one of those things
Speaker 1: where it's like the beauty is in the eye of
Speaker 1: the beholder, Like if you're not a fan of what
Speaker 1: they did, then you would probably call it desperation. If
Speaker 1: you are a fan of what they did, and for that,
Speaker 1: you know, for I think most of us, I don't
Speaker 1: want to speak for everybody, but I think a lot
Speaker 1: of us might have taken Rashaun s Later at twelve overall.
Speaker 1: But for everybody that isn't in love with the pick,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people that absolutely love this pick.
Speaker 1: And if you do, if you love what they did,
Speaker 1: then I think you would say determination, determination to fix
Speaker 1: the defense, right, I like, that's what we need to do.
Speaker 1: And I absolutely I believe them when they say that
Speaker 1: Parsons was their highest graded defender. I still think they
Speaker 1: would have taken a cornerback above him, and I think
Speaker 1: that would have been smart, which and it's it's funny
Speaker 1: to think how how it all shakes out, So like
Speaker 1: you don't get your cornerback at ten, you take Parsons
Speaker 1: at twelve, and then you get Kelvin Joseph at forty four.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they had a really high grade on him.
Speaker 1: Was he their highest grade remaining or was he the
Speaker 1: best guy at the position that they needed the most?
Speaker 1: Only they are the ones that know the answer to that,
Speaker 1: and that's I guess that's my point is are you
Speaker 1: desperate or are you just determined, like we've absolutely got
Speaker 1: to get better. And on some level I admire what
Speaker 1: they did because I think I was one of the
Speaker 1: ones saying the whole time leading into the draft, like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, nobody just drafts all defense, like it always
Speaker 1: balances out at some point or another. And I know
Speaker 1: they drafted three offensive players, but the first six were
Speaker 1: all defense. So probably not all those guys are going
Speaker 1: to work out, but even if half of them do,
Speaker 1: you've taken steps toward rebuilding that thing. So in light
Speaker 1: of that, I see their strategy and I can appreciate
Speaker 1: it like they're not gonna let this or they're gonna
Speaker 1: try not to let this defense handicap them again the
Speaker 1: way it did last year. Brian, Is it determination, is
Speaker 1: it desperation? What do you believe on that side of
Speaker 1: the ball. I think they graded the players and picked
Speaker 1: the players how they saw Excuse me, I think they
Speaker 1: picked the players. How they graded the players, you know,
Speaker 1: and digging into what they did grade wise of the draft,
Speaker 1: they're the majority of their draft, especially on the defensive
Speaker 1: side of the ball, had a grade of a fourth
Speaker 1: round grade or better on their board. So as you
Speaker 1: start to get back in go further back in the draft,
Speaker 1: those are the things that you hope for when you
Speaker 1: set up your board that you're taking players. Say you're
Speaker 1: taking players in the third round, that you might have
Speaker 1: a second round grade on, you're taking a player in
Speaker 1: the fourth round you have a third round grade on.
Speaker 1: So I my my, my gut feeling is that they
Speaker 1: were probably surprised that several of their players were on
Speaker 1: their board at that time. The one that's interesting to
Speaker 1: me is the right pick, and you know, that was
Speaker 1: one of those where I'm I'm hearing that they had
Speaker 1: a third round grade on him going into the draft.
Speaker 1: If that's the case, well then they got the player
Speaker 1: where they put him on the board. So you know
Speaker 1: that that's all you can ask. You know, time will
Speaker 1: tell whether they're right or whether guys like myself, the
Speaker 1: Days of the World, David Hellman's Katie, you know, Jeff Kavanaugh,
Speaker 1: guys would study this. You know, we could be really
Speaker 1: wrong about that too. So I feel like, though, is
Speaker 1: it's just kind of digging in a little bit. They
Speaker 1: they were taking players around or so higher than what
Speaker 1: was on their board, and you know that that'll be
Speaker 1: the that'll be the tail of the tape for him
Speaker 1: here in the next three four years, which I really appreciated.
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, just to go off of that, I appreciated
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones's honesty on Saturday Night, he kind of he
Speaker 1: acknowledged that of saying like, yeah, you know, I saw
Speaker 1: you know, people saying we reached on right, but then
Speaker 1: Jabril Cox fell to us in the fourth round, and
Speaker 1: I guess his ideas that it all kind of averages
Speaker 1: out and to some degree as long as as long
Speaker 1: as you're not completely lying about your grades, which they
Speaker 1: were not, Like, you know, I think they had a
Speaker 1: cluster of similar grades, and you sit there and you think, like,
Speaker 1: you know, all of us draft geeks want you to
Speaker 1: be as true to the board as possible. But if
Speaker 1: you draft Micah Parsons twelfth overall, you really, you know,
Speaker 1: take a big swing at the linebacker position, and then
Speaker 1: you're sitting there with a cluster of picks on Day two.
Speaker 1: As long as you like the grades on those guys
Speaker 1: I get. Waiting on Jabril Cox, you know, you're like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: we've got a starting caliber linebacker in the bag already.
Speaker 1: Let's beef up this line. Let's take this cornerback that
Speaker 1: we really feel strongly about, and then Cox falls to them,
Speaker 1: and it all works out to where they get. I
Speaker 1: think Jerry Jones said they got four of the six
Speaker 1: guys that they've really, you know, had their eyes on
Speaker 1: during that run of picks, which I can't argue with that.
Speaker 1: And like I said, as long as they're not fudging
Speaker 1: their grades, which I don't think they were, it just
Speaker 1: so happens. And it's not I don't think they were.
Speaker 1: I know they weren't. Um it just so happens that
Speaker 1: they feel a lot more strongly about some of these
Speaker 1: guys than a lot of other people do. And that's
Speaker 1: what's gonna make it fun is getting to find out
Speaker 1: who was right, well, what they what What you don't
Speaker 1: need to find out is where they jump in tags,
Speaker 1: you know. And yeah, old old crusties like me, you know,
Speaker 1: I believe. And you set your board, you stack your
Speaker 1: board to how you would take those players, and you know,
Speaker 1: maybe there's some things that you have to manipulate along
Speaker 1: the way of your board. But if if in fact
Speaker 1: that Cox was one of their higher eighty guys and
Speaker 1: then they took right over him, you know, I mean, okay,
Speaker 1: that's jumping tags and so you know, but they got
Speaker 1: fortunate that they got Cox, you know when they did.
Speaker 1: So maybe that tells me that they had Cox rated wrong,
Speaker 1: you know so, but don't you know that's sorry, don't
Speaker 1: you don't you think what you do previously in a
Speaker 1: draft has some sort of impact on that, like having
Speaker 1: if you draft Rashaan Slater, maybe you make Cox the
Speaker 1: first pick among those Day two picks, or the second pick.
Speaker 1: Maybe you draft Cox is seventy five, if you draft
Speaker 1: Rashawns later, but having Micah Parsons already as part of
Speaker 1: your draft class probably influences your opinion about when you
Speaker 1: need to take Jabril Cox, don't you think? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think to me, with the thing with Jabril Cox, though,
Speaker 1: I mean, you had to go in if if if
Speaker 1: Parsons is your sixth best player on your board, and
Speaker 1: you get down to it and say, you have a
Speaker 1: second round grade on Cox, you know, and you're in
Speaker 1: there and you end up getting him in the you know,
Speaker 1: the fourth round. Yeah, I think that's one of those
Speaker 1: times where the tags just blinking at you, like, we've
Speaker 1: got to take this. You know, we got a second
Speaker 1: round grade on him, so let's let's go. And so
Speaker 1: I don't to me, I just I just don't the
Speaker 1: problems I have. And I think the Cowboys did right.
Speaker 1: I mean there's several the Gholston pick, I understand that. Oh,
Speaker 1: Dickie Zawah, I get that, you know. Heck, the Bohannan
Speaker 1: pick I think is gonna great. The wide receiver from Stanford.
Speaker 1: I love their picks. The process sometimes drives me a
Speaker 1: little nuts about how they set things up, and you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes they fall into some things that you're like going, wow,
Speaker 1: they got the draft. Gods were smiling on them today
Speaker 1: because of where they had particular players. So I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna call it chaos, but I'm gonna call it you know,
Speaker 1: how do you set things up and then have it
Speaker 1: fall the way it does, and you know, maybe take
Speaker 1: themselves out of some players that they probably could have got.
Speaker 1: But overall, it's the it's the results that matter and
Speaker 1: not the process. Maybe I'm making too much of a
Speaker 1: big deal of the process with this team. Hey, you
Speaker 1: got the price. I agree with you. Though I like
Speaker 1: I think this team, I think this for the for
Speaker 1: the majority of the time I've covered them. I think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys kind of tweak things as they go to
Speaker 1: make it, to make it work the way they wanted to.
Speaker 1: Like Oh, Diggi, Zooa and Gholston are a great example
Speaker 1: again of like maybe there were high or graded players available,
Speaker 1: but they were like all right, but like I would
Speaker 1: love to have some beef on the defensive line, and
Speaker 1: so you tweak it and say, let's just take these
Speaker 1: guys and worry about it later. And that's what made
Speaker 1: I'm actually I'll be publishing a story about this later today.
Speaker 1: I encourage you to read it. But that's what made
Speaker 1: last year so different. Is it really didn't feel like
Speaker 1: they did that at all, Like it really felt like
Speaker 1: they were really just drafting the best possible player. And
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe that's wrong, Like we don't know all
Speaker 1: of their grades for last year either, but that's certainly
Speaker 1: what it felt like. And I think that's just that's
Speaker 1: an outlier. And I think the vast majority of the
Speaker 1: time when the Cowboys are in their war room, I
Speaker 1: think they kind of tweak things based on what they
Speaker 1: feel like needs to happen. It sounded like, and you
Speaker 1: had said this previously on one of the shows that
Speaker 1: we had been on, but it's kind of like false
Speaker 1: hope at least from twenty to twenty twenty one. But
Speaker 1: like you said, if they're not fudging grades, then it's
Speaker 1: the same kind of thing. It's it's exactly going down
Speaker 1: the board drafting these guys where they were. The biggest
Speaker 1: surprise was ninety nine and Nashan right and the Oregon
Speaker 1: State corner that just kind of came out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: And like Brian said, it's rumored that the Cowboys had
Speaker 1: a third round grade on him. When we come back
Speaker 1: here on the Draft show, we're gonna hit some Twitter
Speaker 1: on the twenty questions, including one that has to do
Speaker 1: with Nishan right and what he brings in. What Brian
Speaker 1: thinks about him now that he's probably gotten a chance
Speaker 1: to watch him. We'll talk about that and many more
Speaker 1: of these eleven picks that the Cowboys made when we
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Speaker 1: Once again, special thanks for all those who have stuck
Speaker 1: with us from all the way into Simber, all the
Speaker 1: way up until last week's draft and then the week after.
Speaker 1: So it's time now to answer some of those fan
Speaker 1: questions with some Twitter on the twenty Twitter on the
Speaker 1: Twitter Chris Beam absolutely killing it in the back, and
Speaker 1: he did it all weekend long throughout the draft coverage
Speaker 1: here on Dallas Cowboys dot com. Okay, first one has
Speaker 1: to do with Nashan Wright, and I'm gonna send this
Speaker 1: one directly at broadest now that we've gotten a chance
Speaker 1: to kind of see who he is. Cowboys Cowboys Coffee
Speaker 1: Talk says, is there a possibility that he was drafted
Speaker 1: simply as a situational defender to match up against bigger
Speaker 1: targets one on one in the red zone and then
Speaker 1: also to play a little bit of special team So
Speaker 1: ultimately a third round pick ninety nine overall for a
Speaker 1: situational defender, is that exactly what the case was with Nishan? Right?
Speaker 1: And what do you think about him now that you've
Speaker 1: gotten to see him? Yeah, I you know, I like
Speaker 1: the idea. That's some really deep thinking. But I think
Speaker 1: they drafted him to play legitimate corner. And what I'm
Speaker 1: learning more about Dan Quinn and how they're looking at
Speaker 1: these players is the taller the player for Dan, the
Speaker 1: better the player for Dan, and what he wants to
Speaker 1: do is and I've learned this this is an I
Speaker 1: think a very interesting take that taller guys create smaller
Speaker 1: windows for quarterbacks to throw the ball. If you're a
Speaker 1: quarterback and you go out there and a guy's playing
Speaker 1: off the hip of a receiver and running with quarterbacks
Speaker 1: don't see that throwing area. They don't see that window
Speaker 1: to fit that ball because what they see is defender.
Speaker 1: And so if you get a guy that has the
Speaker 1: ability to stay in position, whether that's you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not it's about full separation, but you stay in trail
Speaker 1: position and then are able to create that barrier between
Speaker 1: the receiver and the quarterback, then that makes a quarterback
Speaker 1: maybe not want to throw the ball that direction because
Speaker 1: he doesn't see that window. And then if he does
Speaker 1: make that throw, then you have the situation where you
Speaker 1: have the length to knock the ball away or to
Speaker 1: defend the pass. I think the reason why they they
Speaker 1: drafted right was for that reason. I think it's, you know,
Speaker 1: he's a he's a good press corner, he really really is.
Speaker 1: And when you watch him get up on defenders, you
Speaker 1: could see that. You could see and for one hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty seven pounds, he's got some surprising upper body
Speaker 1: strength to make that happen. He could stay on guys
Speaker 1: and he could keep the guy at the line of
Speaker 1: scrimmage and frustrate that that receiver from getting into his route. Again,
Speaker 1: you make that that quarterback half to hold that ball
Speaker 1: a split second longer than maybe your rush gets home. So,
Speaker 1: you know, the quarterbacks like the Melofon woos. I liked
Speaker 1: Melofon will a lot. You know, I really liked I
Speaker 1: liked Thomas from Michigan a lot. I have this kid.
Speaker 1: I didn't see him as a third round player. I
Speaker 1: can't put him above those guys. You know, I may
Speaker 1: be wrong about that. I'll be happy to ad men
Speaker 1: I am. But there were three cornerbacks and I'm not
Speaker 1: including Molden in that deal because I think Mouldy would
Speaker 1: have been a totally You're gonna use mold in a
Speaker 1: different way. But those corners that went after him, I
Speaker 1: was more on board with overall. But I can understand
Speaker 1: now why they would go after a right just because
Speaker 1: of the thinking of maybe being a guy that's going
Speaker 1: to create window problems for quarterbacks in this draft day.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just fascinated. And you know I watched I
Speaker 1: think I watched an hour of his tape on Saturday
Speaker 1: morning after he was picked. I definitely, you know, I
Speaker 1: said it on the broadcast. Like I like his movement ability.
Speaker 1: He looks surprisingly fluid for a guy who's that big.
Speaker 1: I like his willingness to get in the mix. He's
Speaker 1: a chippy like willing tackler. His short area like when
Speaker 1: he you know, if he's in open space against a smaller,
Speaker 1: you know, shiftier player, I think he's gonna be in trouble.
Speaker 1: But I do think there's stuff there to like, I'm
Speaker 1: just it's gonna be fascinating. Obviously, we won't know for
Speaker 1: a year or two years or three years just how
Speaker 1: correct they were or wrong, but you know, we'll be
Speaker 1: able to make some sort of judgment as early as
Speaker 1: this training camp because I mean, in my opinion, I know,
Speaker 1: you know, he's not going to start. Nobody should be
Speaker 1: expecting him to start, even if even if he did
Speaker 1: have a true third round grade from everybody, But like
Speaker 1: if you're a top one hundred pick, I expect you
Speaker 1: to contribute, you know, I mean, and the history indicates
Speaker 1: that that is a reasonable expectation. So you know, it
Speaker 1: was only last year Reggie Robinson was a fourth round
Speaker 1: pick and couldn't couldn't get active, let alone on the field.
Speaker 1: So I'm very curious to see just how much this
Speaker 1: guy can contribute early because if if he's really you know,
Speaker 1: if he's as good as they think he is, they
Speaker 1: should be able to find a way to use him
Speaker 1: as a rookie in my opinion. And you know, maybe
Speaker 1: if if he needs some more seasoning, that won't be
Speaker 1: the case, but it'll it'll be interesting to see how
Speaker 1: quickly he can hit the ground running. Kind Of staying
Speaker 1: with that same topic, in that same theme, Dave, I'll
Speaker 1: turn this question to you. A caller, actually, one of
Speaker 1: our listeners called in, and unfortunately we're virtual, we can't
Speaker 1: take phone calls. So we took this question though, and
Speaker 1: Eli said, who are some of the draft picks that
Speaker 1: are going to replace specific players and who are they
Speaker 1: going to replace on this roster or move into those
Speaker 1: spots that have vacated so out of the draft class, Dave,
Speaker 1: who are some of the guys that are going to
Speaker 1: have some competition that are currently on this roster. If
Speaker 1: you've listened to Steven Jones talk at all in the
Speaker 1: last two weeks, he is he is dying to fire
Speaker 1: some people, and that sounds that sounds mean, but like
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are hard up against the cap in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, Like by the time they pay all these
Speaker 1: rookie salaries, they'll be right up on the cap. And
Speaker 1: you know, Steven Jones talked about, you know, maybe being
Speaker 1: able to trade guys at training camp, Like if this
Speaker 1: class is as successful as they wanted to be early,
Speaker 1: I think you could see a lot of intense competition
Speaker 1: for veteran jobs. You know, I pulled up the depth chart, okay,
Speaker 1: I mean, if Micah Parsons is the twelfth overall pick,
Speaker 1: they better be able to find a way to get
Speaker 1: him on the field a lot. So that's either playing
Speaker 1: with more linebackers or finding an excuse to take a
Speaker 1: veteran linebacker off the field, maybe using Mica as like
Speaker 1: a Sam dpr in addition to off ball linebacker stuff.
Speaker 1: I absolutely expect Kelvin Joseph to push for a starting job,
Speaker 1: whether that's you know, I would imagine that's at the
Speaker 1: expense of Anthony Brown. But you know what, I think
Speaker 1: it would be a mistake to just completely write Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown off, Like, never discount the ability of a five
Speaker 1: six year NFL veteran. So that's going to be interesting
Speaker 1: what you know. Obviously the defensive line again, like, is
Speaker 1: Odiggy Zooa good enough to take a starting job away?
Speaker 1: Probably not. Is Quentin Bohana good enough to take a
Speaker 1: starting job away from the likes of like maybe Antoine
Speaker 1: Woods or Brent Urban, Probably not. But I expect all
Speaker 1: of those guys to push to be in the rotation.
Speaker 1: Steven Jones said, he said yesterday on one oh five
Speaker 1: three with Jeff and Brian that it's a stretch, but
Speaker 1: he thinks it's possible that all eleven draft picks make
Speaker 1: the team. I don't think. I don't think I believe that.
Speaker 1: But just through the math, they spent seven picks on
Speaker 1: they spent seven picks in the first through fourth round.
Speaker 1: They have not cut a first through fourth round rookie
Speaker 1: in the almost decade that I've covered the team. So
Speaker 1: that's seven rookies right there that are damn near guaranteed
Speaker 1: to make it. And then you've got another four. So
Speaker 1: even if only like one or two of those four
Speaker 1: make it, you're talking about like eight nine guys making
Speaker 1: the team is draft picks, and they'll absolutely push for
Speaker 1: maybe not starting jobs, but again, like a guy like
Speaker 1: Bradley and I's a great example. We all love Bradley
Speaker 1: and I they got great value on him, but like
Speaker 1: he's a fifth round pick at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: there's nothing keeping him on the team if somebody outplays him.
Speaker 1: So that's the type of stuff you gotta watch. In
Speaker 1: my opinion, Yeah, I think you also, I think Dave
Speaker 1: did a great job of going through the guys. Also
Speaker 1: watch Simmy Juko at at wide receiver. You've got You've
Speaker 1: got expensive guys like Noah Brown. You know that that's
Speaker 1: an expensive guy for you right there, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, if you could get a guy to play
Speaker 1: special teams in the role of Noah, in the role
Speaker 1: of Noah Brown, then you take his salary, you know,
Speaker 1: right off the book. Off the books. I'll be interested
Speaker 1: to see what happens to at the defensive tackle spot
Speaker 1: as well. Will Bohanna be better than Woods? You know again,
Speaker 1: that's where they keep bringing Woods back, and in that situation,
Speaker 1: I you know, he might be something that that turns
Speaker 1: into a swap out there. Dave mentioned o Diggi Zawa.
Speaker 1: I mean Hill is young, Galla War is young at
Speaker 1: that under tackle though, could he replaced one of those guys.
Speaker 1: I mean those that was a set I can round
Speaker 1: pick that was a third round pick. But you know,
Speaker 1: we'll see. Let's see what happens with Josh Ball. Usually
Speaker 1: offensive tackles need to usually offensive tackles need to come
Speaker 1: in and learn how to hold, trip and clip before
Speaker 1: they're really any good. But could he come in and
Speaker 1: could he be better than a Brandon Knight who they
Speaker 1: might shift to guard? You know, could you know, could
Speaker 1: he be you know, there's just all kinds of things
Speaker 1: I think with the you know, with offensive tackle, uh,
Speaker 1: the sicky you know they brought him in. It might be, hey,
Speaker 1: we don't need a veteran guy. This guy would be
Speaker 1: our swing tackle. Cotter Williams gets beat out at at guard,
Speaker 1: maybe you move on from him. So there are a
Speaker 1: lot of things. There's a lot of ways they can
Speaker 1: tweak this roster with the players that they got. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't say this to be glib, like I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to make light of it, because this
Speaker 1: is guy's livelihoods and careers and stuff like that. But
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys would be app absolutely thrilled to
Speaker 1: shed some expensive veteran like Brian brought up Noah Brown,
Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson, Antoine Woods or probably in that boat, Tie Inseckie, Like,
Speaker 1: if any of these guys prove, if you prove to
Speaker 1: the front office that you can do just as good
Speaker 1: of a job for six hundred thousand dollars as opposed
Speaker 1: to the seven figure salary that the veteran in front
Speaker 1: of you is making, that helps. I mean, especially for
Speaker 1: a team that is clearly very worried about the CAP.
Speaker 1: I think that's what you needs to have their eye
Speaker 1: on throughoutout the summer, like mini camp, training camp, all
Speaker 1: that stuff. Worried enough to make all eleven picks, and
Speaker 1: they did just that whenever the draft came around last weekend. Okay,
Speaker 1: so this question comes from Luke Wells. He wants to
Speaker 1: play a game of bust or broken, and we saw
Speaker 1: yesterday Laton vander Esh not necessarily or excuse me, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys declining his fifth year option. He falls into the
Speaker 1: broken category just be based off of injury issues that
Speaker 1: he's had in the past. But he wants you guys
Speaker 1: to place Jalen Smith into one of those two categories.
Speaker 1: Is he just a straight bust or is he still
Speaker 1: technically broken? From some of the injury issues he's had
Speaker 1: in the past, and it could he be one of
Speaker 1: those guys that has has his back against the wall
Speaker 1: with some of these draft picks coming in. Brian, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think to me that I wouldn't be throwing dirt
Speaker 1: on Layton Vanders quite yet myself, because I believe they're
Speaker 1: going to try and get an extension with him. Now,
Speaker 1: whether you agree with it or not, you know, we'll see.
Speaker 1: They obviously feel like that they you know, they don't
Speaker 1: want to pick up the option. Maybe they can make
Speaker 1: it a situation where it's like, hey, we can get
Speaker 1: a couple more years, we can structure it differently. We
Speaker 1: don't want to pay the full nine million dollars for that.
Speaker 1: So I think that they're trying to be proactive there.
Speaker 1: I think the thing with Jalen Smith, though, is dan
Speaker 1: Quinn's probably come in and said, listen, there's certain things
Speaker 1: that I can do with him, and there's things I
Speaker 1: can't do with him. I can't put him in coverage
Speaker 1: and feel really really good about it. I've got this
Speaker 1: new rookie that I know can rush the passer. He's
Speaker 1: got the mobility to change the direction and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So I think that would be one that when we
Speaker 1: get to after twenty twenty two, I don't see that
Speaker 1: happening for him. I don't see Jaylen Smith being on
Speaker 1: this team. So I feel and Vanderesh will be here.
Speaker 1: I have a feeling though, that Jayleen Smith won't be here.
Speaker 1: That would be my That would be bust for me. See,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm maybe I'm just as softie like I mean,
Speaker 1: if you've listened to my work at all, you should
Speaker 1: know exactly how I feel about Jayalen Smith's situation. I
Speaker 1: think his contract is one of the two or three
Speaker 1: biggest problems facing this team right now. There's no doubt
Speaker 1: that he has not played up to it. I have
Speaker 1: a hard time calling him a bust. You know, a
Speaker 1: guy that we weren't even sure was ever going to
Speaker 1: play football again when he was drafted thirty four overall,
Speaker 1: not even a first round pick, and they've gotten They've
Speaker 1: gotten five hundred tackles out of the guy, fifty four starts,
Speaker 1: sixty four games. He was a good player during a
Speaker 1: playoff run in twenty eighteen that was probably not probably
Speaker 1: that was easily the best season of his career. So
Speaker 1: bust bust feels harsh, So I'm gonna go with broken.
Speaker 1: The problem is, I'm not convinced that what's broken can
Speaker 1: be fixed, and that's gonna be That's gonna be on
Speaker 1: dan Quinn again a lot like Micah Parsons you got.
Speaker 1: I think you got to find a way to use
Speaker 1: him that's different and more efficient than what we've seen
Speaker 1: the last two years. And I'm I'm with Brian one
Speaker 1: hundred percent. If dan Quinn can't get significantly more out
Speaker 1: of him this year, I'm not sure how much longer
Speaker 1: he'll be here because it starts, it starts to become
Speaker 1: a lot easier to shed that contract in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: So that's one of the biggest storylines facing this team.
Speaker 1: Having said all of that, I can't call the guy
Speaker 1: a bust. I mean, well, you're right, the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: gotten a lot out of him. Yeah, bust is a
Speaker 1: strong word, but in the context of the game, broken
Speaker 1: means you're going to bring him back. Bust to me
Speaker 1: means you're moving on from him. I'm not saying he's
Speaker 1: a bad player. In the context of the exercise, broken
Speaker 1: means you have hope that he'll be back in whenever
Speaker 1: bust means that they're moving on. You're right, I never
Speaker 1: thought this kid would ever play another down to football
Speaker 1: after what happened to him, to Brent Brown, to doctor Cooper,
Speaker 1: to everybody that worked on getting him back on the field.
Speaker 1: Tip of the cat. But in as far as if
Speaker 1: you look at what's going on right now, he they're
Speaker 1: likely going to move on from him that I'm calling
Speaker 1: the bus factor, not the player I bust is where
Speaker 1: the direction they're going with that? If I had to,
Speaker 1: if I had to bet right now in May of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, who's more likely to be here for
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two season, I would say Laton. So
Speaker 1: I agree with you very well, said on both of
Speaker 1: y'all's parts. Okay, so this is a duo question, a
Speaker 1: double question. So Ernie originally asked, is Kelvin Joseph now
Speaker 1: the best corner automatically on this roster? Where does he
Speaker 1: compare to Trey Von Diggs? And then mister Valajos adds
Speaker 1: onto that and said, could we view Kelvin Joseph as
Speaker 1: a Marcus Peters in the same sense of the off
Speaker 1: the field issues in college? But he sure does have
Speaker 1: the talent on the field. Brian, Yeah, I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: if I'm trying to think about because I had a
Speaker 1: pretty high grade on Diggs coming out of college last year,
Speaker 1: and I know the Cowboys probably felt the same way.
Speaker 1: If it got down to where they got wiped out
Speaker 1: at seventeen with there are no players on the board,
Speaker 1: I think they would have taken Diggs in the first round. Dave,
Speaker 1: you could correct me if I'm wrong there, but I would.
Speaker 1: I still think that Diggs is likely your best corner.
Speaker 1: The guy that has seriously the talent, though, is Joseph.
Speaker 1: He could he could come in and immediately give you
Speaker 1: a huge upgrade over the other guys. But I think
Speaker 1: right now as we talk, Diggs is above him. With
Speaker 1: the opportunity of Joseph, say, either equaling him or surpassing him.
Speaker 1: You hope he surpasses, and you hope that Diggs also
Speaker 1: elevates his game as well. But I'll give it the
Speaker 1: Digs right now. Yeah, unless you're unless you're like a
Speaker 1: top ten pick, I'm not in the business of saying
Speaker 1: you're the best on your team before you even get
Speaker 1: on the field. At rookie camp, I mean, we loved
Speaker 1: the Digs pick and Diggs had a good rookie season,
Speaker 1: and he got picked on a lot because the NFL
Speaker 1: is hard, and playing cornerback is even harder. It's one
Speaker 1: of the two or three hardest positions in the league
Speaker 1: for my money. So no, I don't think he's the best.
Speaker 1: He might be the most naturally talented, but they've got
Speaker 1: to harness that and turn it into production. I said
Speaker 1: this on the broadcast too. I think I think it's important.
Speaker 1: I get I get where you're going with the Marcus
Speaker 1: Peters thing. I do think he's aggressive, He's got ball skills.
Speaker 1: Like Marcus Peters, he kind of seems like a little
Speaker 1: bit of a little bit of a knucklehead. I bet
Speaker 1: a lot of people have seen the clip of him
Speaker 1: of going around of him just decking that Auburn receiver
Speaker 1: during the Auburn game. So there's there's some stuff you
Speaker 1: got to work on there. But like Marcus Peters got
Speaker 1: like banned from Washington, like Chris Peterson had to invite
Speaker 1: him back to Pro Day because the relationship was so sour.
Speaker 1: I like I said, I choked the coach. Yeah, choked
Speaker 1: a coach. I was good. I was gonna say punched.
Speaker 1: I couldn't remember. It's been five or six years. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I said, like Kelvin Joseph, seems like he's a
Speaker 1: little bit of a knucklehead, maybe some maturity problems. I
Speaker 1: haven't heard anything about that, like about him just being
Speaker 1: that guy, you know. Like I said, like I talked
Speaker 1: to people at LSU who had nothing but good things
Speaker 1: to say about him as a person. It seems like,
Speaker 1: you know, he didn't burn any bridges on his way
Speaker 1: out of Baton Rouge. I don't know the situation at
Speaker 1: Kentucky quite as well as I do at LSU for
Speaker 1: obvious reasons. But I don't get the impression that he's
Speaker 1: a bad guy. I just think maybe he's an immature guy.
Speaker 1: So we'll see how the Cowboys deal with that. This guy,
Speaker 1: this guy's played in twenty games in his career. That's
Speaker 1: all he's playing. I mean, he's a super talented guy
Speaker 1: for twenty games. But be careful with going the route
Speaker 1: you're going right now. Yeah, yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: I mean you got to kind of balance those issues.
Speaker 1: And the Cowboys did their homework and balancing both of
Speaker 1: those before they made the selection. So I mean at
Speaker 1: this point, they know more than we do about what
Speaker 1: the kind of player they were drafting is going to
Speaker 1: be coming into training, training camp, and hopefully all these
Speaker 1: guys are ready to go whenever that time comes around.
Speaker 1: Thanks again for all your twitter on the twenty questions.
Speaker 1: Oh for Brian, Yeah, I mean, let me tell you this,
Speaker 1: the fact that the head coach and the defensive coordinator
Speaker 1: both were at the pro day, that's probably the reason
Speaker 1: why that kid got drafted, and maybe even Bohanna later
Speaker 1: on they caught an eye and Bohanna even talking about
Speaker 1: talking with Dan Quinn. So that's you're exactly right. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of smokescreen, or excuse me, a lot of
Speaker 1: smoke to that fire of seeing exactly how much they
Speaker 1: really were targeting Kelvin Joseph and just how much they
Speaker 1: were trying to get to know him prior to the selection,
Speaker 1: because if not, then neither one of those guys would
Speaker 1: have been in Lexington for that pro day. But, like
Speaker 1: I was saying a moment ago, thanks again for everybody
Speaker 1: sending in those Twitter on the twenty questions. When we
Speaker 1: come back, we're gonna take a couple of final looks
Speaker 1: at this draft, maybe even talk about some of these
Speaker 1: undrafted free agents when we return here on the Dallas
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Speaker 1: of questions to hit. Of course, the Cowboys did draft
Speaker 1: or excuse me, not draft they sign thirteen undrafted free
Speaker 1: agents to go along with the eleven draft picks that
Speaker 1: they had. We won't go specifically into those players at
Speaker 1: the moment, will of course, have plenty of content. I'll
Speaker 1: be riding up some profiles and things of the sort
Speaker 1: on the website over the next couple of days. But
Speaker 1: dave anything stick out to you and the fact that
Speaker 1: they've signed one thirteen different players and even just maybe
Speaker 1: what came out of that class overall. To be honest
Speaker 1: with you, I'm shocked that they had room for thirteen
Speaker 1: undrafted free agents after drafting eleven players like and not.
Speaker 1: I don't as far as I know, the league doesn't.
Speaker 1: Even the league hasn't set the roster limit yet, so
Speaker 1: it could be eighty, it could be ninety. So if
Speaker 1: it's at eighty, I would guess they probably got some
Speaker 1: work to do. But the big thing that stood out
Speaker 1: to me was probably the receivers. A you know, we've
Speaker 1: we fall in love with an undrafted receiver every freaking year.
Speaker 1: It was Andy Jones for a while, it was Eric
Speaker 1: Rodgers for a while, Lance Lenore Kyle's guy, Jalen Guiton
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, John Vay Johnson. Like every
Speaker 1: year there's a receiver that we've freak out about, and
Speaker 1: this year it's definitely gonna be h t J. Vasher
Speaker 1: out of Texas Tech. I already see his highlights going
Speaker 1: around Twitter. He's a big body guy. I get it
Speaker 1: he's capable of making some crazy catches. Um. But again,
Speaker 1: going back to the conversation about Noah Brown and Cedric Wilson,
Speaker 1: they drafted Simmy on Saturday and then they signed four
Speaker 1: more so that they're they're guying for somebody to come
Speaker 1: in and kind of churned the bottom of that receiver
Speaker 1: depth chart. They kind of did the same thing. At
Speaker 1: tight end. They obviously didn't draft one, so they brought
Speaker 1: in Nick Ralston out of Ull. They brought in Nick
Speaker 1: Eubanks out of Michigan, who's actually I don't know why
Speaker 1: I watched him because he was a super late round prospect,
Speaker 1: but I actually did, and I kind of like his
Speaker 1: game a little bit. Art Artavius Lynn from across the
Speaker 1: way at TCU. So again, tight end, obviously you got
Speaker 1: Jarwin and Schultz, but behind that, you know, create some competition.
Speaker 1: So that was that was probably the big thing that
Speaker 1: stood out to me. Is just again trying to turn
Speaker 1: those trying to turn that depth chart and maybe get
Speaker 1: rid of some more expensive guys in favor of some
Speaker 1: cheaper ones. Brian, how likely is it for some of
Speaker 1: these guys because of the eleven draft picks, because there's
Speaker 1: thirteen different undrafted free agents to try and make the
Speaker 1: roster and I'll even throw Day three guys into that.
Speaker 1: That was one of the Twitter on the twenty questions
Speaker 1: that we didn't necessarily get to answer from Frankie. But
Speaker 1: who has the best chance out of the Day three
Speaker 1: and undrafted free agent class to try and at least
Speaker 1: make the roster? Make the fifty three man? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think to me when you start, Dave was mentioning all
Speaker 1: the wide receivers and stuff like that. I mean, what's
Speaker 1: going to happen, you know, with Michael Gallop and what's
Speaker 1: going to happen with Noah Brown? And what's going to
Speaker 1: happen with Cedric Wilson and stuff like that. These are
Speaker 1: all things that you kind of have to think about,
Speaker 1: maybe big picture wise, So you always want to believe
Speaker 1: that those wide receivers have the opportunity to do that,
Speaker 1: something that I've really I hurt for the guys like
Speaker 1: Chris Hall who over there. You know, Chris is the
Speaker 1: coordinator of the college scouting stuff over there, and it
Speaker 1: does a super job with all that and the coordination
Speaker 1: of Dallas Day. I was told this was going to
Speaker 1: be a historic Dallas Day if they could have had it,
Speaker 1: you know, with all the players from the area, it
Speaker 1: was going to be one for the ages. And you
Speaker 1: know that's the thing that when they do have that
Speaker 1: Dallas Day and they they seem to find a one
Speaker 1: or two of those guys that you're like, Okay, you
Speaker 1: know this, this makes a lot of sense. We get
Speaker 1: to see him, we get to work him out, we
Speaker 1: get to be a part of that and get to
Speaker 1: have some interaction with him. So I'm interested to see
Speaker 1: how this class is gonna you know, will somebody from
Speaker 1: this class in fact make the final fifty three? History
Speaker 1: will tell you there will be one of them. But
Speaker 1: with with eleven picks, and then you look at like
Speaker 1: their they've got some young players in certain positions too
Speaker 1: that you feel like, well, well, these guys beat out
Speaker 1: a first a second year player, or a guy that
Speaker 1: was on the practice squad that they know. You know
Speaker 1: that that's gonna be the real trick. It might be
Speaker 1: a little bit harder for somebody to make this roster,
Speaker 1: but history tells you there'll be one guy that we
Speaker 1: will will survive training camping and put a veteran guy
Speaker 1: on the street. Davis, you throw this out there too.
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, Kyle, you were you were already gonna ask
Speaker 1: me a question. It's fine, No, go for it. I
Speaker 1: just uh, it's not it's not super sexy. But they
Speaker 1: did sign you know, they signed Brendan Knox, the running
Speaker 1: back out of Marshall. And they signed another running back, yeah,
Speaker 1: Jaquan Hardy out of Tiffin, which I don't even know
Speaker 1: where Tiffin is. Sorry, um, but you know the obviously
Speaker 1: Zeke is Zeke is for sure, and Tony's for sure.
Speaker 1: But the competition for that third running back spot is
Speaker 1: just a couple of other undrafted guys Rico Dowdle and
Speaker 1: saw Alana Lua, which they both were sure. You know,
Speaker 1: they had nice rookie seasons, but you know, you better
Speaker 1: bring it in training camp because these guys are just
Speaker 1: as hungry to make the team as you were last year.
Speaker 1: By the way, Tiffin's out of Ohio, Dave, Just so
Speaker 1: you know there they are the Tiffin Tiffin Dragons. And
Speaker 1: this guy had fifteen hundred yards rushing on the ground
Speaker 1: last year and two hundred and four attempts and fifteen touchdowns.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you wanted to talk about a man
Speaker 1: amost boys, that's what Jaquan Hardy brings to the table.
Speaker 1: And he opted out of the spring season, but he
Speaker 1: was the player of the year, first team All Conference,
Speaker 1: led the conference in rushing. I mean, YadA Yaday had
Speaker 1: all the way through for the Tiffin Dragons. So hey,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna you're gonna get excited about a player,
Speaker 1: that's one that you possibly could. So just based off
Speaker 1: of what you guys have been saying, it seems like
Speaker 1: the wide receiver position is the most vulnerable. And it
Speaker 1: seems like whether it's Semi Phihoko out of Stanford or
Speaker 1: it's one of these undrafted free agent receivers, that's the
Speaker 1: most vulnerable position in terms of some of these Day
Speaker 1: three and undrafted free agent guys to make the roster.
Speaker 1: But Dave, is there another position that sticks out to
Speaker 1: you maybe outside of the maybe let's say on the
Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball for these Day three guys
Speaker 1: and maybe even undrafted free agents. Yeah, well, I mean
Speaker 1: we talk about receiver every year just because it's the
Speaker 1: easiest fun to talk in position, to watch a training camp. Um,
Speaker 1: how about I mean, it's it's gonna be, it's always
Speaker 1: gonna be the bottom of the depth chart. But geez,
Speaker 1: the bottom of the linebacker depth chart looks terrifying right
Speaker 1: now because I mean, you know, Layton and jay Leen
Speaker 1: are here. They just drafted Parsons, they just drafted Cox.
Speaker 1: So that's four right there. You typically only keep like
Speaker 1: six maybe seven. Oh, don't forget Keyan O'Neil's a linebacker.
Speaker 1: So now you're up to five. So now you're talking
Speaker 1: to well, I think of Basham Moore's a defensive end,
Speaker 1: like an edge rusher. I know he's technically a linebacker,
Speaker 1: but like I think of him more as an on
Speaker 1: the ball guy. But like San Francis, Bernard, Luke Gifford
Speaker 1: are still here from last year, and now you got
Speaker 1: the two draft picks that are gonna be competing for
Speaker 1: playing time. And then they signed two I think they
Speaker 1: signed two more linebackers as well. Yeah, Anthony Hines out
Speaker 1: of Texas A and m and Tyler Coyle who's kind
Speaker 1: of a hybrid guy out of Purdue. So again, the
Speaker 1: important part of the depth chart is set. But that
Speaker 1: last spot or two is going to have about four
Speaker 1: or five guys fighting for it. Yeah, I wonder what's
Speaker 1: going to happen at defensive end, you know, is this
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the first time that you've had
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory for a full Ota Mini camp and then
Speaker 1: training camp without something happening to him. So I'm interested
Speaker 1: to see how that. You know, Dorgs Armstrong, where is
Speaker 1: he at in his development right now? You know? But
Speaker 1: are you gonna put him on the street. Is somebody
Speaker 1: gonna develop and they're gonna say, well, hey, you know, Dorance,
Speaker 1: it's nice knowing you, but you know you've been here, Um,
Speaker 1: you know since twenty eighteen. You're a fourth round pick.
Speaker 1: You know, we got this guy that we like a
Speaker 1: little bit better. You know, I think it's safety position.
Speaker 1: Is gonna be interesting to see how that all plays out.
Speaker 1: You know, they're they're talking about moving or South Carolina
Speaker 1: guy David he figured out his name. How to pronounce
Speaker 1: his last name? Israel's last name m Mukwomboo. Oh no,
Speaker 1: there's there's no Yeah, there we go. Komwoo, there you go.
Speaker 1: They're talking about they're talking about playing him at safety,
Speaker 1: so you know what's gonna what's gonna happen there at
Speaker 1: that position. So uh, you know there's all these when
Speaker 1: you when you draft eleven players and the owner general manager,
Speaker 1: son of all that says, hey, all eleven can maybe
Speaker 1: make this thing. You know we we Everybody's like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's no way they're gonna make all these picks. And
Speaker 1: what they do, They made all of them. Yeah, and yeah,
Speaker 1: keep an eye on this. Let's see who in fact
Speaker 1: gets to stick. Maybe all eleven do, and then that's
Speaker 1: going to push some of those guys off this roster
Speaker 1: for sure. One one more that I'll throw in. I
Speaker 1: know we're running out of time, but all like we're not.
Speaker 1: We've got like I wonder, Oh I forgot, I forgot
Speaker 1: because we've got a late start. I wonder does another
Speaker 1: team in the league have as much starting experience at
Speaker 1: offensive tackle as the Cowboys do. And you can you
Speaker 1: can talk trash about Terren Steele and Brandon Knight all
Speaker 1: you want, and maybe Brandon Ndall move to guard, but
Speaker 1: those guys got a full season of experience last year,
Speaker 1: which makes them a hell of a lot more experience
Speaker 1: than your average third and fourth tackle. You signed Tian Sky,
Speaker 1: who has started I think seventeen or eighteen career games,
Speaker 1: and he's been playing pro football through eleven years, so
Speaker 1: he's experienced as hell. Mitch Hyatt's still kicking around, Isaac
Speaker 1: alter Soong is still here from the international program. And
Speaker 1: then obviously you know Josh Ball would have been drafted
Speaker 1: a lot higher if not for some nasty domestic violence allegations.
Speaker 1: So that's a lot of talent and a lot of
Speaker 1: starting experience. And I didn't even mention the two obvious starters,
Speaker 1: Tyrn Smith and Lyle Collins. So that sounds that sounds
Speaker 1: like a very interesting position battle when they finally start
Speaker 1: playing football again. I like that as a potential of
Speaker 1: maybe bringing in those guys. But you do feel good
Speaker 1: about at least the depth of that position better than
Speaker 1: you did a year ago, I think in that regard,
Speaker 1: because you went and got a guy like Josh Ball
Speaker 1: who can come and play. But you do have the
Speaker 1: starting caliber of all those guys on the offensive tackle slot,
Speaker 1: so maybe even Josh Ball isn't necessarily needed whenever it
Speaker 1: comes to that, but I think they did another good
Speaker 1: job of going out and getting some undrafted free agent guys,
Speaker 1: and like I said, there'll be more direct and more
Speaker 1: detailed content on those guys over the next couple of days.
Speaker 1: Is everybody kind of catches up from the end of
Speaker 1: the draft, so be sure to keep a lookout on
Speaker 1: that on Dallas Cowboys dot com. But as we wrap
Speaker 1: things up for not only did today's show, but for
Speaker 1: the season of the Draft Show, Guys, what are you
Speaker 1: going to remember the most about the twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: draft and the draft process? I mean, because we've been
Speaker 1: doing this for two hundred days now it seems like,
Speaker 1: or close to two hundred days of getting on top
Speaker 1: of things and talking about what this draft class was
Speaker 1: going to look like. Now that we know what it
Speaker 1: looks like, Brian, what is going to be your biggest
Speaker 1: memory looking back? You know, guys, the thing that I'll
Speaker 1: always remember about the draft, and not particularly just this draft,
Speaker 1: but just the Draft show itself. Yesterday afternoon, I got
Speaker 1: a tweet from a guy who says, I'm a Detroit
Speaker 1: Lions fan and I watched the Draft Show and I
Speaker 1: knew more about my draft because of what you guys
Speaker 1: did on a daily basis. And you know, the Draft
Speaker 1: show started with this whole thing with Ed k Hill
Speaker 1: and myself and then Dane and then Dave and you know,
Speaker 1: and Kyle. We've had guys along the way. But that's
Speaker 1: what this show has always been about. It's always been
Speaker 1: about We always talk about to investigate and educate and
Speaker 1: the fact that people from other teams, fans from other
Speaker 1: teams say, hey, I learned more about my team because
Speaker 1: of what you guys did. That's that's the best thing
Speaker 1: that I could ever take away from any draft that
Speaker 1: we have. And you know, this one was unusual. It
Speaker 1: wasn't as crazy, i say, as last year, where we
Speaker 1: really didn't know what was going on with the pandemic
Speaker 1: and where we were even going to play football. But
Speaker 1: now we're going to have fans in the stands and
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully we'll have some OTAs and mini camps
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But to me, just the fact
Speaker 1: that that fans from all around the world were educated
Speaker 1: about players on their favorite teams, that means the absolute
Speaker 1: world to me. And for that, I think the fans
Speaker 1: are falling along and having such an interest in what
Speaker 1: we do that that's what makes this job so much fun. Dave. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we talked about it already from
Speaker 1: the from the Cowboys perspective, I think I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: remember it as maybe I guess. I guess risky is
Speaker 1: a fair word. I'll just like I said, boom or bust,
Speaker 1: I'll be interested to see are they going to hit
Speaker 1: some gold here or you know. I think I think
Speaker 1: we we have simultaneously the potential to be like, holy crap,
Speaker 1: what an amazing job they did. And I think there's
Speaker 1: some potential to look back and be like, yeah, that's yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised some of this didn't work out. Um,
Speaker 1: But aside from the Cowboys, I said it on Saturday, UM,
Speaker 1: for me and every I echo everything Brian just said.
Speaker 1: But I just love you know when you talk about
Speaker 1: when you talk about these players for six months and
Speaker 1: then you watch where they all go, you just it.
Speaker 1: You know, you know so much about the league because
Speaker 1: the draft is the lifeblood of the league, and you
Speaker 1: know where all these guys are going. So when Tommy
Speaker 1: Togii balls out for Cleveland, I'm not going to be surprised.
Speaker 1: Or when when Jalen Darden you know, steals the starting
Speaker 1: job in Tampa. A year from now, I'm gonna be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the that's the North Texas guy that we like
Speaker 1: so much and like it happens year after year. And
Speaker 1: the more you do it, you just you have a
Speaker 1: working knowledge of every team in the league because you
Speaker 1: know who they drafted. And I think it makes you
Speaker 1: a better fan, It makes you a smarter fan, and
Speaker 1: it honestly, it makes the NFL so much more enjoyable
Speaker 1: because you have this depth of familiarity with basically every
Speaker 1: player in the league once you've done it long enough.
Speaker 1: And that's what's so rewarding for me. And you know,
Speaker 1: obviously my focus is the Cowboys, but I would like
Speaker 1: to think we help make the entire league more enjoyable
Speaker 1: for other people. That's awesome from both of you. I
Speaker 1: mean Brian specifically talking about the fan from the Lions.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love that because we do have a
Speaker 1: Cowboys spend on things because that's who pays the paychecks.
Speaker 1: But ultimately, that's what we want to do, is we
Speaker 1: want to investigate, educate all those people that are listening,
Speaker 1: all those fans that are out there that want to
Speaker 1: know more and want to know about the league moving forward.
Speaker 1: So it has been a ton of fun and that
Speaker 1: makes me happy hearing that even those who follow the
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions are locked in and we knew that, we
Speaker 1: knew that there are more than just Cowboys fans that
Speaker 1: are in these chats and that are watching these on
Speaker 1: YouTube and watching these and listening on iTunes and all
Speaker 1: sorts of that. But there's also a lot behind the
Speaker 1: scenes that goes on. I mean, for every hour and
Speaker 1: I tweeted this out on Saturday as well, but for
Speaker 1: every hour a film that was watched by the analysts,
Speaker 1: the seven analysts on this show, there was an hour
Speaker 1: also put in cutting highlights, making graphics and putting up
Speaker 1: some of the content and the production value that we've
Speaker 1: seen throughout not only the Draft coverage this past weekend,
Speaker 1: but since December on the Draft Show whenever we started
Speaker 1: talking about doing this show when the Cowboys were at
Speaker 1: three and nine. So it really has been a ton
Speaker 1: of fun. It's a blast to do it with you guys.
Speaker 1: I look forward to doing it again next year, and
Speaker 1: let's say like, let's say let's not start it in December.
Speaker 1: Let's have a better season and then let's talk about
Speaker 1: starting in maybe January or February. I'd been cool starting
Speaker 1: like the second week of February after the Cowboys win
Speaker 1: a ring. That's fine with me. I mean that would
Speaker 1: be fun. I'd even settle for doing it like the
Speaker 1: week of the Senior Bowl. I mean, what like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's try to let's try to not start before Christmas
Speaker 1: next year if that's okay with the Cowboys. Oh, that
Speaker 1: sounds good to me. But Brian, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for being a part of it again this year. We
Speaker 1: missed you last year, but hey, twenty twenty one was
Speaker 1: just a blast having you a part of it, my guy, Well,
Speaker 1: thank you appreciate that. Again, Thanks to everybody. Thanks to
Speaker 1: Chris Beam for all he's done, you know, and keeping
Speaker 1: us on the air dealing with her technical problems. Man,
Speaker 1: we've had a blast. And again thank you for Derek
Speaker 1: Eagleton and the Jones family for having the vision to say, hey,
Speaker 1: this is something that we need to do, this is
Speaker 1: something for our fans. Again, and I always say this,
Speaker 1: I thank you ed Ka Hill for you two having
Speaker 1: that vision as well. It's been a blast to be
Speaker 1: a part of this, no doubt about it. Salute Ed K. Hill,
Speaker 1: Salute all those that were a part of the Draft Show.
Speaker 1: We will have one more show. These two will not
Speaker 1: be on it, but instead it'll be Dame Burglar, Jeff
Speaker 1: Cavanaugh and Kevin KT Turner on Thursday, ten am Central Time.
Speaker 1: But for now, for Chris beam In the back eron Gonzalez,
Speaker 1: for David Hellman, Brian brought us. I'm Kyle Yeoman saying
Speaker 1: so long here on the Draft Show. We'll see you
Speaker 1: Thursday for one more show. This has been a production
Speaker 1: of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.