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Speaker 1: trading on you this weekend. Huh, guys moving up in
Speaker 1: this draft, you know, get to spot certain spots, teams
Speaker 1: moving around. Kind of talked about this Thursday. Didn't we
Speaker 1: sit around all week waiting for some stuff to happen,
Speaker 1: just you know, it's free agency drafts getting closer and
Speaker 1: then all held sites to break loose on the weekend.
Speaker 1: You know, Yes, typical when we talked about this on
Speaker 1: Thursday in the Draft show about how teams are going
Speaker 1: to be aggressive moving up for quarterbacks. You know, we
Speaker 1: know that, and we singled out the Colts as a
Speaker 1: team that was going to be open for business looking
Speaker 1: to move back. Now. I didn't think we'd see a
Speaker 1: trade this early, but it shows just how desperate the
Speaker 1: Jets are for a quarterback, right, And I don't correct
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. I don't remember a trade like
Speaker 1: this this early, when they're clearly trading on for a quarterback.
Speaker 1: I don't buy the sequon Barkley. I don't buy I
Speaker 1: don't buy it at all. Sure they're trading on for
Speaker 1: a quarterback, there's still two teams picking in front of them.
Speaker 1: Oh I know. I mean they must feel comfortable with
Speaker 1: three quarterbacks in this draft, at least three quarterbacks, because
Speaker 1: there's no way you can know who the Browns are
Speaker 1: going to take and what the Giants are gonna do
Speaker 1: if the Giants even stay at two. So they must
Speaker 1: like three this quarterbacks, which I'm glad you said that.
Speaker 1: I would love if that's the case. I would love
Speaker 1: the refreshing honesty, because I was joking about this over
Speaker 1: the weekend. Like every team in the league, they love
Speaker 1: to say like this was our guy, this was our
Speaker 1: number one guy. We got our number one. Everybody else
Speaker 1: can do what they want. But there's four quarterbacks that
Speaker 1: we feel really confident or going early in this draft. Sure,
Speaker 1: what are the odds? I mean, as many as two
Speaker 1: of them could be picked before the Jets get on
Speaker 1: the clock, assuming there's no more movement. And so you're
Speaker 1: going to tell me that the guy that could potentially
Speaker 1: fall to third is definitely gonna be there, Guy Like,
Speaker 1: that's seems risky unless that they are willing to admit
Speaker 1: that they feel good about multiple quarterbacks. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: most teams don't want to admit that. They want to
Speaker 1: say we got our guy right. Mike mcagnan is a
Speaker 1: friend of mine. He's a general manager for the Jets.
Speaker 1: Mike and I worked together nineteen ninety in NFL Europe.
Speaker 1: He was a young general manager actually player personnel guy
Speaker 1: for the London Monarchs that won the championship that year.
Speaker 1: Right out of school. This kid goes right end up
Speaker 1: being a you know, worked in working in nflure. Mike's great.
Speaker 1: Mike's a great guy. He's desperate right now, but he's
Speaker 1: desperate and this might be somebody else's problem next year.
Speaker 1: You know, when you start talking about trading away picks
Speaker 1: and multiple picks and all that and trying to move
Speaker 1: into draft. Him and a head coach are clearly clearly
Speaker 1: on the hot seat there, and you make moves like
Speaker 1: this to try and keep your job, and if it
Speaker 1: doesn't work, Mike mckegnan will go back and be director
Speaker 1: of college scouting or director of pro personnel or director
Speaker 1: player personnel somewhere else. But this is a move clearly
Speaker 1: that was made out of desperation for to try and
Speaker 1: find a quarterback, because again, their jobs are on the line.
Speaker 1: That's that's the type of move I personally, I personally
Speaker 1: would have not made that move unless I was going
Speaker 1: to two. I'm not sitting at three and hoping that
Speaker 1: things work out. They must done. They must like three
Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks. Yeah, well, if you're gonna make a
Speaker 1: move like that, you're going to like one guy. I
Speaker 1: don't know how you could sit there and cast a
Speaker 1: net out and say, Okay, we like three of these guys.
Speaker 1: That's how quarterback desperate they are, though. Yeah, but then
Speaker 1: then that's really poor evaluation on his partner. I love
Speaker 1: Michael like a brother. Well not if they like three
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks though. Yeah, but you don't make that move.
Speaker 1: What if the tags are touching and there's clearly one
Speaker 1: tag above the other three tags, two tags, but you
Speaker 1: know you're not getting the one. The Browns aren't trading
Speaker 1: out of one and number two with the Giants. We
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on there are the Giants and
Speaker 1: the Yeah, are they watched the Buffalo for Buffalo to
Speaker 1: trade three number ones? Because but we know Buffalo's two
Speaker 1: number ones this year is Getleman waiting for Buffalo to
Speaker 1: throw in that sweetener next year's one to go up
Speaker 1: to number two. Maybe it's interesting to hold New York
Speaker 1: New York. I mentioned it last week, New York New
Speaker 1: yorked at Dynamic, they've never made a trade. Yeah, these
Speaker 1: two franchises, it might have been at that right there
Speaker 1: as a non starter for them. So three might be
Speaker 1: as early as the Jets were gonna pick. So they
Speaker 1: might not have had an option to go up to
Speaker 1: one and two. They go to three, they feel good. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's just say from the Jets perspective, we're sitting here,
Speaker 1: we think Sam Donald's going number one to Cleveland. Sure,
Speaker 1: we don't have time for Josh Allen to wait. Okay,
Speaker 1: but we feel good about Baker Mayfield or Josh Rosen
Speaker 1: coming in being capable and NFL starting quarterbacks. We're gonna
Speaker 1: go up to three. We feel we're gonna get one
Speaker 1: of those two quarterbacks. I mean, the logic is there
Speaker 1: at least which and honestly, I would find it refreshing
Speaker 1: if a team was willing to admit that that's how
Speaker 1: they were thinking, because it's all a crapshoot anyway. You know,
Speaker 1: don't don't try to convince me that you got your
Speaker 1: guy at three when odds are he's probably QB one
Speaker 1: aka Sam Darnold. Just admit it. And honestly, I mean,
Speaker 1: nobody really has a consensus on how these quarterbacks stack
Speaker 1: up anyway. So you get up to three, you know
Speaker 1: there's no way all of them are gone, and you
Speaker 1: just hope for the best with the guy you get.
Speaker 1: I don't I get what you're saying, Like that's kind
Speaker 1: of scary to admit that you're just leaving it to chance. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta do what you gotta do, But yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: I understand going up and I understand giving it up.
Speaker 1: But I also understand, though, what I'm going to get.
Speaker 1: YEA We've been very clear they're going to get a quarterback.
Speaker 1: We've been very clear about this that we our little
Speaker 1: group is willing to trade up for certain players. Oh sure,
Speaker 1: not just the hope that somebody's gonna be there. Our
Speaker 1: jobs aren't on the line though. Not only that, but
Speaker 1: on this show, we've been you know, every time we
Speaker 1: do that, we're like Roquan Smith or Derwin James. It's
Speaker 1: like always one, it's never We've never been able to
Speaker 1: come to a consensus on the guy. Here's the other thing, too,
Speaker 1: is they're not the only team. Look, Arizona Buffalo. They
Speaker 1: had to do it before anyone else is going to
Speaker 1: trade up. And with Buffalo having those two first round picks,
Speaker 1: having the AMMO, they Dije just said, hey, we're gonna
Speaker 1: beat them to the punch. We're gonna go up to
Speaker 1: number three and we're going to you know, eliminate that doubt.
Speaker 1: And if if the Buffalo wants to go up to
Speaker 1: number two and trade three number ones, so be it.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna go up to the number three so
Speaker 1: they can't go to is Denver out of the mix
Speaker 1: had taken the quarterback. Now, oh they Petron case Keams
Speaker 1: a nice quarterback, but he is not. Yeah, but they
Speaker 1: talked about Paxton Lynch as a development and quarterback for
Speaker 1: them right now. They've talked about that. You can't as
Speaker 1: they're covering their butts, you can't rule them out. I mean,
Speaker 1: how could you? What? I don't think Paxton Lynch has
Speaker 1: done absolutely nothing to make have they given him a
Speaker 1: chance to do anything. He's seen a few starts and
Speaker 1: he's tripped over his feet and I mean he's I'm
Speaker 1: not saying I'm not completely they they they they missed
Speaker 1: that one up. John Elway messed that one up. And
Speaker 1: by drafting him or what, oh if you draft him
Speaker 1: or what, are not playing him? How about that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: How about everybody else at least has an idea what
Speaker 1: their quarterbacks can do. That's a terrible, terrible job of it.
Speaker 1: And this we don't know what's going on behind the
Speaker 1: scenes too though. Oh no, the kid doesn't work hard,
Speaker 1: right exactly. I've said that. I mean I've gone on
Speaker 1: people in Yeah, I've gone on Denver. People love me
Speaker 1: because I'm like the Denver whisperer. And if he's not
Speaker 1: pushing himself off the field, then you know he doesn't
Speaker 1: need to see see the field on my team. So
Speaker 1: I like they botch the Packs and Lynch situation by
Speaker 1: drafting in the first place. If this is how his
Speaker 1: legacy in Denver is gonna play out, But no, absolutely
Speaker 1: quarterback is still in play. Case Keenum is a nice
Speaker 1: short term quarterback, which you're about to say something, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm about to ask you a big time question. Go ahead.
Speaker 1: That further approves the logic and what the Jets did
Speaker 1: is like, even at six, you can't just sit back
Speaker 1: and assume that you get a guy you feel good about.
Speaker 1: That's why Buffalo is traded up to Yeah, and we'll
Speaker 1: see if Buffalo can get there at three somewhere, we
Speaker 1: just don't know where. We don't know where. At three,
Speaker 1: the Jets are guaranteed to have a chance at one
Speaker 1: of these prospects that everybody considers. You know, here's my question,
Speaker 1: where's betting on? Here's my question? And the gentleman, go ahead.
Speaker 1: If you're Woody Johnson, which current NFL GM would you
Speaker 1: like draft for you? The owner of the New York Jets.
Speaker 1: You gotta make that pick. You guys, tell me, everybody's
Speaker 1: telling me that man, they've got three guys, they like,
Speaker 1: give me a current NFL GM that you want drafting
Speaker 1: for you in that spot at three, then I just
Speaker 1: put everybody on the spot a little bit. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm like going through my well, through my
Speaker 1: memory banks, right, Who's gonna pick me the best player
Speaker 1: at three? Well? You could talk to Mickey, Yeah, Mickey
Speaker 1: would I don't know. I mean there's plenty of general
Speaker 1: managers in this league who I would trust with that pick.
Speaker 1: I don't know if one necessarily stands out as being,
Speaker 1: you know, a quarterback guru general manager who nails the
Speaker 1: quarterback evaluations more so than like another. So you're okay
Speaker 1: with Mike mcagnan making that pick. I'm okay with him
Speaker 1: making that pick. Sure. I mean I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: I would prefer him out of thirty two general managers pick.
Speaker 1: But he knows the Jets better than any other general manager. No.
Speaker 1: But if you but if you had to have a
Speaker 1: guy that you know this is, this is a guts
Speaker 1: pick right here. I really, because you guys are telling me, Hey,
Speaker 1: they like multiple guys picked the multi pick the one
Speaker 1: guy you like. I really I respect your guy, John
Speaker 1: Schneider a lot everybody busts picks and then um, Kevin
Speaker 1: Colbert in Pittsburgh is another guy who always seems like
Speaker 1: he does a really good job. But that's I mean,
Speaker 1: franchises have to make big picks on quarterbacks so infrequently,
Speaker 1: at least the successful ones, the ones that aren't constantly
Speaker 1: turning over their general managers. It's it's not like there's
Speaker 1: a guy out there who's got this amazing track record
Speaker 1: of like, well, when he drafts a quarterback, right there
Speaker 1: you go. So I mean, take your best shot at
Speaker 1: it with a guy who's got a good track record.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think there's one guy that stands
Speaker 1: above anybody else. Mike mccagnen in New York has been
Speaker 1: on the outside looking in on some of these top
Speaker 1: quarterbacks last few years. He's helped own a lot of
Speaker 1: resources at these quarterbacks. I mean he Bryce Petty in
Speaker 1: the fourth round, Christian Hackenberg in the second round. He's
Speaker 1: tired of doing what the same? What that's not the same? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he's been on the outside looking in, Like
Speaker 1: you know, he hasn't gone for it in the first
Speaker 1: round on one of these quarterbacks. You're always jobs on
Speaker 1: the line. Now, absolutely so he needs. When you're talking quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: big assets are like top ten picks at like what
Speaker 1: the Jets just did, that's big assets. Hackerberg was a
Speaker 1: lottery ticket. Spending pick fifty one on Christian Hackenburg is
Speaker 1: not a big roll, That's what I mean. Obviously it
Speaker 1: was a miss, don't get me wrong, but like, that's
Speaker 1: not when it comes to finding your quarterback for the
Speaker 1: next decade, that's nothing. I don't think that the Jets
Speaker 1: never looked at Christian Hackenberg is saying that's our future
Speaker 1: right there. They looked at him as saying like a
Speaker 1: und pick, it was a lottery ticket. It's they saw
Speaker 1: him as different. It's different for quarterbacks. Everything is different
Speaker 1: for quarterbacks. Have this argument every year, unless unless it's
Speaker 1: a top ten pick or you're trading and something crazy
Speaker 1: to get up there like the Eagles, that's big time
Speaker 1: stuff getting up to get wins the way they did
Speaker 1: and it worked out. What are the Jets just doing?
Speaker 1: No exactly, but this you're saying they've been throwing stuff
Speaker 1: at it for years. I'm saying that's half If you
Speaker 1: look at a two and a four for a quarterback, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're throwing stuff out there. No, again, those are lottery tickets.
Speaker 1: That's not the same to me. They never I don't
Speaker 1: think they looked at it too become a just because
Speaker 1: it's a quarterback. Say it's a lottery ticket too. I
Speaker 1: don't think they ever looked at those two quarterbacks instead,
Speaker 1: this is our future. I mean, christ Iver hasn't taken
Speaker 1: a snap. I mean, I don't think they ever really
Speaker 1: viewed the I mean he looked at it as how
Speaker 1: many isab is it? How many quarterbacks taken outside the
Speaker 1: top thirty five picks have ever blossomed into anything meaningful?
Speaker 1: Like maybe half a dozen? Ever, I mean Russell Wilson's
Speaker 1: you got your Russell Wilson, you got your your Drew Brees,
Speaker 1: you got your dad. Yea, yeah, it's not a long list,
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. It is not a long list. It works
Speaker 1: out really well sometimes it's not a long list. And
Speaker 1: so the second round pick not becoming I mean, when
Speaker 1: you're talking about it, it's not it's just it's a
Speaker 1: it's not a guarantee. You draft a you draft a
Speaker 1: linebacker fifty first overall, he'd better be a starter right now.
Speaker 1: He better be a good player quarterback. You're just like
Speaker 1: oh this works. Yeah, yeah, it's a chance because there's
Speaker 1: a reason he's not going in the first. But then
Speaker 1: all that argument you guys made with me about trading
Speaker 1: fifty up because you wanted to make a pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's your point? Well, my point is, though, you guys
Speaker 1: are just kind of treating it like a lot. I mean, oh,
Speaker 1: just a quarter that's a lot. I feel like we
Speaker 1: did this last year, or maybe it was the year before,
Speaker 1: which makes me no. I just can't get over the
Speaker 1: fact that you guys are just saying that a second
Speaker 1: round pick for a quarterback is a lottery. Everything is
Speaker 1: different about quarterbacks, everything everything one hundred it just throw
Speaker 1: the rest of it out the window. Let me change
Speaker 1: the subject here. Can Buffalo make the Giants move out
Speaker 1: of two? Yeah? Sure, three first round picks? You think
Speaker 1: that's what it's going to take this year's They have
Speaker 1: two picks in the first round this year plus the
Speaker 1: first nick because and this is different because the Giants
Speaker 1: are you're not off the look. I need a GM
Speaker 1: by the way, too, you're gonna give me a GM. Uh,
Speaker 1: I'll go with I'll go to Dorsey. Dorsey's got guts.
Speaker 1: He took a Yeah, he's gonna have to pick a
Speaker 1: quarterback Toomes last year, Yeah, and Mahomes or John Dorsey did.
Speaker 1: He was at his house from June until December last year,
Speaker 1: sitting at home watching tape on spending most of his
Speaker 1: time on these quarterbacks. Right. I remember I received a
Speaker 1: text from him in August. He said, Dan, give me
Speaker 1: your top four quarterbacks. Yeah, I'm gonna start looking at
Speaker 1: these guys. I said, in my top four quarterbacks. And
Speaker 1: he he has been working on these quarterbacks for a
Speaker 1: while now. He has a probably a better understanding of
Speaker 1: who these guys are more than any other general manager.
Speaker 1: So for the Jets or the MCA, the owner said, hey,
Speaker 1: let's get out there and watch these cats play every day.
Speaker 1: I'm not mccagnan is one of the hardest working jem Oh.
Speaker 1: I love Mike. You go to a pro day, you
Speaker 1: go to the shrink, he's gonna be No, he is
Speaker 1: gonna be there, Absolutely he is. But he his job
Speaker 1: is on the line. Exactly. You made me pick a guy.
Speaker 1: I gave you a guy. Okay, I'm with you on Dorsey.
Speaker 1: All right. Back to the Giants, Uh, they're going back.
Speaker 1: If they trade with Buffalo, They're trading out of the
Speaker 1: top ten. That's a big drop to go from two
Speaker 1: to outside the top ten. Now again you're picking up
Speaker 1: three first round picks, but that's a big drop, and
Speaker 1: so it's going to take a little bit more than
Speaker 1: you know what other teams have traditionally gone up for.
Speaker 1: Throw the trade value chart out the window for quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: especially if they do know, especially the quarterback, it does
Speaker 1: not matter, that's right. It's it's all that you know,
Speaker 1: second round picks or oh, it's all the rules change
Speaker 1: when you're talking about quarterbacks, every single one. There are
Speaker 1: no rules. That's it. I mean, it's and I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that what the Jets did taking Hackenburg, they're taking
Speaker 1: a chance, was the right thing to do. I had
Speaker 1: a fourth round grade on Hackenburg. I just you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say, oh, because they use the second
Speaker 1: round pick on him, that means that, you know, that's
Speaker 1: they thought he'd be the future. I think they just
Speaker 1: thought it would be you know, they saw some promise
Speaker 1: and that hasn't you know, come to fruition for him. Okay,
Speaker 1: time to move on. Christian Hackenburg will not be in
Speaker 1: the jests next year. Does that bother you I just
Speaker 1: let me ask you this. If you're the Giants, you
Speaker 1: move three first round picks. I was you know, I
Speaker 1: was just thinking when Dane was saying, like, we're watching
Speaker 1: the Draft Day show. What I mean, what's that show
Speaker 1: with Kevin cost What was that movie Draft Day? I
Speaker 1: think it was it called Draft Day? So yeah, I told, like,
Speaker 1: guy by the way, I fast costs right, un told
Speaker 1: a guy in Seattle, pick that ga Vonte mac no
Speaker 1: matter what, right, pick, no matter what. Yeah, if you
Speaker 1: want to go ahead and pick that guy, yeah, pick
Speaker 1: that guy. Nobody comes to it. I never even saw it.
Speaker 1: I heard it was trash, not worth your time, it's
Speaker 1: not good. But the draft, come on, it is kids.
Speaker 1: The movie Officiano here by the way, Um, what was like?
Speaker 1: Oh no, I turned that down. I get I get
Speaker 1: what you're getting in return, but it would be hard
Speaker 1: for me to go from picking second in the draft
Speaker 1: to twelve. Oh you earned that spot, and then twenty two.
Speaker 1: I know. That's what I mean. If it was like eight,
Speaker 1: I'd feel alive. So while you're picking second, because you're
Speaker 1: not any good, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I'm going
Speaker 1: to add. But see here's I don't I really don't
Speaker 1: think much like the Cowboys the year that they were
Speaker 1: up there. I don't think they're as bad as the
Speaker 1: record would indicate. And I think that's what makes it
Speaker 1: tempting to do a deal like that, because you talk
Speaker 1: and you had two first round grades to or near
Speaker 1: first round grades to your team, can go a long
Speaker 1: way toward putting you back in contention. Does Gentleman get
Speaker 1: killed if he doesn't make that trade three first rounds?
Speaker 1: Depends on who they get as if they won't Cleveland.
Speaker 1: Does I think they need to look at a quarterback
Speaker 1: like I know Eli Manning. They think he has another
Speaker 1: two to three years. They don't expect me picking a
Speaker 1: top five very often. Sure, well, I'm taking a quarterback
Speaker 1: while I can now. If they're not taking a quarterback,
Speaker 1: then you take that deal and run. And I know
Speaker 1: it'd be tempting to stay there and take Barkley, stay
Speaker 1: in there, take Chubb, you take three first round picks,
Speaker 1: and you rebuild that roster. At number twelve, you're gonna
Speaker 1: get a good player. You're gonna get you. Could you
Speaker 1: get a quarterback or twelve? Sure it's possible, bar Jackson,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. I mean you have to
Speaker 1: you're contending with think about okay, think about the owner
Speaker 1: trading in front of you to get a quarterback. Five
Speaker 1: could be off the board by the time you pick
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson or Teddy Bridgewater from Louisville. Just in general,
Speaker 1: just in general, just coming out of coming out of Louisville,
Speaker 1: they're very different, Lamar. You have to with Teddy's knees.
Speaker 1: I mean you have no, no, no, just coming out
Speaker 1: of just coming out of Louisville. Still, Lamar, I mean,
Speaker 1: if they're all perfectly, I mean I had a higher prospect.
Speaker 1: And the reason I'm asking this is because the guy
Speaker 1: who coached Bridgewater is now you're head coach with the Giants.
Speaker 1: I don't even who who is the job? Suremur yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you, sorry, I mean Bridgewater is in New York,
Speaker 1: the other New York though. Yeah, I'm just saying, coming
Speaker 1: out of college, who would you rather have, Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: or Teddy Bridge. I had a higher grade on Teddy
Speaker 1: Bridgewater as a prospect than I did do Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: as a prospect. But again, Teddy Bridgewater with his twelve
Speaker 1: I'm too intrigued by everything. Lamar Jackson can do for you.
Speaker 1: I just and there's a good chance he's not going
Speaker 1: to be there at twelve. Yeah, I mean, if you
Speaker 1: want a quarterback, you take him at two, or you
Speaker 1: don't trade that far down. I will. It's very I
Speaker 1: was thinking about this because we had a mail bad
Speaker 1: question about it today. It's interesting this conversation. It's interesting
Speaker 1: being on the outside of it because we were on
Speaker 1: the inside a couple of years ago, and everybody on
Speaker 1: this show was not firmly anti draft a quarterback, but
Speaker 1: we leaned more toward getting a Zeke Elliott or whoever
Speaker 1: else was talked about. Oh for no. But what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you know, from the outsider's perspective, I agree with Dane.
Speaker 1: I'm like, the Giants should get a quarterback like Eli
Speaker 1: Manning's not getting any younger, blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna be in the top five that often.
Speaker 1: But two years ago I was like, Romo's still got
Speaker 1: some time left and you can help him out a lot.
Speaker 1: So like, I'm fascinated to see how that conversation gets
Speaker 1: resolved on their end, because we know exactly how the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: My point is that Patch coach that style of a quarterback.
Speaker 1: They he they thought enough. I don't think Bridgewater to
Speaker 1: get back in the draft, am I right? I don't
Speaker 1: think there are anything similar though. Yeah, I mean I'm
Speaker 1: just saying that's quarterback. I mean, not compared to Lamar Jackson. Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: but you liked but you liked Jackson. Are you assuming
Speaker 1: you liked Bridgewater to hire prospect grade on Bridgewater because
Speaker 1: he's a better pastor coming out of Louisville than Lamar.
Speaker 1: I mean, Lamar offers so much more as an athlete,
Speaker 1: a much more electrifying player with a ball in his hands.
Speaker 1: But Teddy was a more polished pastor coming out of Louisville.
Speaker 1: So I have had a gray on Teddy. Obviously with
Speaker 1: his knees, you don't know what you're getting. And now
Speaker 1: with New York they have McCowan Bridgewater, plus they're gonna
Speaker 1: draft a quarterback high. It's gonna be an interesting quarterback
Speaker 1: room for the Jets. Are you trying to make them?
Speaker 1: You're trying to make the point that the Giants could
Speaker 1: trade back and still get a quarterback. Yeah, it's the
Speaker 1: point I'm trying to make. Yeah, just because maybe the
Speaker 1: guy who's Maybe they go to Louisville again, maybe they
Speaker 1: look at that system, maybe they say, wow, this guy
Speaker 1: gets coached this way. This is why you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I get it. Lamar Jackson is not the passer of
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater. I get it. I think that. I think
Speaker 1: me personally, if you gave me, you give me one
Speaker 1: or the other. I'm taking Jackson every single day. I'm
Speaker 1: just that's me. I'm taking. I'm just saying, if you're
Speaker 1: Pat Shermer and you felt like that, you know what
Speaker 1: we could what if they do you think you could
Speaker 1: get the Oklahoma guy twelve? I doubt it. Not really
Speaker 1: too many quarterback and needy teams. And he's saying the
Speaker 1: Jets are gonna take him. I think the Jets are
Speaker 1: gonna say Mayfield or Rosen. Okay, they don't have to,
Speaker 1: I don't. They don't have time to wait for Josh
Speaker 1: Allen mcagnet and Todd Bowles. They got to win pretty
Speaker 1: quickly here. And even if Josh McCowen or Teddy Bridgewater
Speaker 1: is a starter for you guys, he's killing my questions
Speaker 1: here today. What's the question? This quarterback is ready to start? Now?
Speaker 1: What the rookie give me a guy. Yeah. Rosen and
Speaker 1: Mayfield I think are the closest of these quarterbacks to
Speaker 1: starting right away. Doesn't mean then necessarily should, but there
Speaker 1: are the closest of these top five quarterbacks. Mayfield's uh,
Speaker 1: four year starter. I mean the guy. He There's gonna
Speaker 1: be a transition from Oklahoma's offense to what they're gonna
Speaker 1: ask him to do in the NFL, but I think
Speaker 1: he can handle it. And then Rosen, he's been running
Speaker 1: a pro style scheme at UCLA. He's ready to step Ryan.
Speaker 1: I keep calling him Matt Ryan. Yeah, he's very close
Speaker 1: to that. So he's I'm not saying think Mike White's
Speaker 1: ready to start now. To be honest with you, I
Speaker 1: think Mike White's gonna be a great backup in this league.
Speaker 1: Mike White's gonna be I think. I think, I like
Speaker 1: this is the Western Kentucky quarterback by that was a
Speaker 1: good player. He's a really good player. I'm interested. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying he's ready, but I'd be interested to see
Speaker 1: what Jackson could do in the same way that Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson's athleticism all I mean, Deshaun Watson's not a polished
Speaker 1: quarterback and by a pro standards by any level. But
Speaker 1: his athleticism allowed him to do a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: And I wonder, I wonder if that guy they yeah,
Speaker 1: he did. No. Absolutely, that's what I'm saying. Lamar Jackson's
Speaker 1: not ready to play quarterback in the NFL in the
Speaker 1: way that you think about it. But he could make something.
Speaker 1: But he can make things happen, which presents problems while
Speaker 1: about learning. Absolutely, yeah, And if that's what's I'm okay
Speaker 1: with quarterbacks starting right away as rookies if they're ready.
Speaker 1: I mean, we saw last year with Deshaun Kaiser. All
Speaker 1: I heard was he's ready. He's ready. He wasn't ready
Speaker 1: when ready, But you know, I just again, Mike White's ready.
Speaker 1: Do not keep saying, do not try to predict who
Speaker 1: you're starting quarterbacks gonna be. Hugh Jackson came out and
Speaker 1: said that Tyrod Taylor's starting quarterback. I mean, that's fine.
Speaker 1: We everyone knows he's going to be. We don't why
Speaker 1: you come out and say that. It's dumb. You wait
Speaker 1: and you let training camp decide that. Yeah. Do not
Speaker 1: come out and say you're starting three or whatever, one
Speaker 1: in thirty one whatever. That I didn't get that either,
Speaker 1: and like, why why why I throw that out there now?
Speaker 1: I don't know nothing. We're gonna have a new staff
Speaker 1: there in Cleveland. Get ready. That's the way it is. Sorry, Dane,
Speaker 1: and go save that franchise. You door see Elliott and
Speaker 1: all those guys have fun room. You get a quarterback,
Speaker 1: you said at Jackson, Right, you think it's gonna be interesting?
Speaker 1: I think, well, what like my my QB one? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't do the ranking stuff. I'm just saying you,
Speaker 1: who's ready to start? You said at Jackson. I didn't
Speaker 1: say he's ready to start? I said he has. The
Speaker 1: question was he has gifts that the other guys don't
Speaker 1: have that could make him a viable threat in an
Speaker 1: offense right away. I mean as a runner, getting out
Speaker 1: of bad situations, extending plays. But if you if you're
Speaker 1: the Giants and you do really like Lamar Jackson, do
Speaker 1: you feel comfortable trading at twelve and still getting him?
Speaker 1: I think I would. You're not worried about another team
Speaker 1: trading up. But Aaron, let me ask you this. It's
Speaker 1: sitting a fifteen training up to eleven to get him.
Speaker 1: That's Miami moving right well, any just in gen But
Speaker 1: That's the great debate is like, why get cute if
Speaker 1: you feel good about a guy? Let me tell you
Speaker 1: what if I what about the Giants? What how much
Speaker 1: do you think about Alan? Do you think Alan would
Speaker 1: be there at twelve? No? Because the NFL teams are stupid. Okay.
Speaker 1: If Buffalo is going up to two and quarterbacks are
Speaker 1: going one, two, three, right, okay, and then we think,
Speaker 1: good chance Denver could take one as long as the
Speaker 1: quarterback they like is there at five. That's four quarterbacks
Speaker 1: right there, there's one quarterback left. Let's just say it's
Speaker 1: actually two, two three, five, and then okay, let's just say,
Speaker 1: for hypothetical sake, it's Lamar Jackson. Who's the fifth quarterback?
Speaker 1: So between pick six and eleven, that's gonna feel like
Speaker 1: an internity. Yeah, for a team like the Giants say,
Speaker 1: if that's who they really want, and I don't. There's
Speaker 1: not a single team in that stretch that really fits
Speaker 1: the mold of needing a quarterback. So you're talking about
Speaker 1: I mean trade candidates like if an Air Arizona, what
Speaker 1: you start? So you got San Francisco in there, you
Speaker 1: got Oakland, you got Chicago, you got Tampa a whole
Speaker 1: lot of teams that don't need quarterback, does Arizona. Arizona
Speaker 1: signed Sam Bradford for a whole lot of money that
Speaker 1: he doesn't deserve. What they got to do something at quarterback?
Speaker 1: They can't be done. Yeah, no, they got to make
Speaker 1: a bold move here. Could go from fifteen to eleven.
Speaker 1: Sounds doable. Absolutely well, they wouldn't do that, un let's
Speaker 1: say neither to see their quarterbacks in position to trade
Speaker 1: for right, I mean, there goes your let's go to
Speaker 1: Miami to eleven. That that well, I'm just saying when
Speaker 1: when if the quarterback gets to eleven, that's when you
Speaker 1: make that trade, not now right? Well, no, sure, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't think Arizona would do something like that right
Speaker 1: now until they're on the clock. But right, I think
Speaker 1: Dane's point is that the Giants probably shouldn't trust that
Speaker 1: nothing's going to happen on draft night. Yeah, that's if
Speaker 1: they really want Lamar Jackson. I don't think you go
Speaker 1: to twelve and you feel great, you're gonna get them there.
Speaker 1: I think you have to be I'm okay doing that
Speaker 1: deal because you're picking up three first round picks, but
Speaker 1: then you better be prepared to move up from twelve
Speaker 1: to eight something else, because if you last year in
Speaker 1: the first round, the Saints they were ready to take
Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes at eleven. Right, they were sitting there thinking, okay, well,
Speaker 1: sure quarterback of the future, Chiefs leap frog him, huge,
Speaker 1: huge jump. They get Pat Mahomes at ten, and it
Speaker 1: worked out okay for the Saints. They got Marshawn Latimore
Speaker 1: there at eleven. But you cannot sit back and wait
Speaker 1: for your quarterback to fall to you. You need to
Speaker 1: be aggressive, go get your guy if he is your guy.
Speaker 1: I'm so fascinated by this and by this conversation, mainly
Speaker 1: because of Lamar Jackson, which we're sitting here saying he
Speaker 1: might not last till twelve. And then you can look
Speaker 1: at a boatload of information on the Internet that tells
Speaker 1: you he'll prest mock draft round. Where's in your mock
Speaker 1: draft fifteen to Arizona. But I don't predict any trades. Yeah,
Speaker 1: fall as late as like twenty seven. Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: for three first round picks, I might roll the dice.
Speaker 1: I would do it. Yeah, But like I said, I
Speaker 1: think you need to prepare to package two threes to
Speaker 1: move up three or four spots or something. I got
Speaker 1: you Oakland Gruden, here you go, get in there, John.
Speaker 1: Thank you boys for that. I appreciate you in lighting
Speaker 1: me and just decided to say nuts to the schedule today. Wow,
Speaker 1: what do you mean twenty eight? Just the conversation's too good.
Speaker 1: Not that I have a problem with it now when
Speaker 1: people get fired up, I'm all for it. When we
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Speaker 1: cover some current news inside this team, okay, and how
Speaker 1: it pertains the Cowboys draft, you know, as as I
Speaker 1: think it's out there Cowboys are hosting some free agents
Speaker 1: this week. They're getting involved in the cheaper aspect of
Speaker 1: free agency. A couple veteran linemen, a couple of veteran receivers,
Speaker 1: I think making their way through here at our point
Speaker 1: this week. So Daniel wants to know would a veteran
Speaker 1: offensive line signing eliminate offensive lineman as a need at
Speaker 1: eighteen I'm trying it to ninth nineteen um. And we
Speaker 1: got the Patriots guy whose name escapes me right now, Flemming,
Speaker 1: Thank you Fleming, and then Marcus Martin from Bright. Those
Speaker 1: are a couple of guys that I've looked at myself already.
Speaker 1: My question real quick on Fleming, Patriots lost Nates Soldier. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got a forty one year old quarterback. Yeah, Fleming,
Speaker 1: is that good? How are the Patriots letting them walk
Speaker 1: out to walk him out the door? Solder? I get
Speaker 1: he got a lot of money, yeah, but how are
Speaker 1: you letting I think they want this guy? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think they want this guy back. I do if they
Speaker 1: want him back that badly building. But I think it's
Speaker 1: a situation where they're gonna it'll probably be okay, go
Speaker 1: get offers and then come back, they come back to us,
Speaker 1: and the Patriots have a weird way of doing that.
Speaker 1: They get guys to they get shopped offers, and so
Speaker 1: you got to if if it works, it works. If not,
Speaker 1: I mean they'll let guys go. But yeah, I I
Speaker 1: don't think it. I don't think it takes him out
Speaker 1: of that mix. I really really don't don't either. I mean,
Speaker 1: I to me, we've kind of heard that, you know,
Speaker 1: the thirty visits will tell us a lot. You know,
Speaker 1: that'd be I've checked on that. Would that would be.
Speaker 1: We're probably two weeks away from those starting here, and
Speaker 1: I think that'll tell you from what I understand, Hernandez
Speaker 1: is one of the visits that they brought in. So
Speaker 1: with that, you know, maybe it's a situation where they
Speaker 1: signed one of these guys and still visit Hernandez. You know,
Speaker 1: we've seen that from this team in the past, where
Speaker 1: they've signed a running back and then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden they draft Ezekiel Elliott. So I don't think this
Speaker 1: keeps the Cowboys out of We thought Colton Miller too.
Speaker 1: You and I were talking in pre show Coulton Miller
Speaker 1: or hearing rumors that he's one of the thirty visit
Speaker 1: guys for the Cowboy. That's a tackle right there. So
Speaker 1: I think it's about looking at, you know, what's available
Speaker 1: on free agency and what can help us in this draft.
Speaker 1: I don't think that stops him at all. Let's fold
Speaker 1: this over on itself, because that's another thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: with these veteran lineman coming in, you know, word going
Speaker 1: around that the Cowboys would at least consider signing a
Speaker 1: starting right tackle and moving Lyle Collins back to left guard.
Speaker 1: So Tom's asking about that, and really, I mean it's
Speaker 1: a question that I have too, because that kind of
Speaker 1: changes how you view this whole puzzle if that's something
Speaker 1: they're actually talking about, which and on it. Like, for
Speaker 1: my part, I don't even know what to make of it.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you could try to make switches
Speaker 1: like that before you even have a guy on the
Speaker 1: roster who can do that job. Also, Fleming, I think
Speaker 1: has twenty starts over the last five years, which that
Speaker 1: watched him. I watched him in preseason, I watched Martin
Speaker 1: in preseason. Fleming I watched play the Super Bowl and
Speaker 1: a playoff game and against the Steelers during the year
Speaker 1: he was at right tackle at right tackle. How'd that go?
Speaker 1: You know what? Against Philip Dolphyeah, I was good that.
Speaker 1: It's encouraging to see that he had some good snaps
Speaker 1: against him, because that's a team you played twice a
Speaker 1: year if he has to play. But I the guy
Speaker 1: I liked. I liked Martin at guard. I mean Fleming
Speaker 1: to me is I think Fleming is a for three
Speaker 1: hundred and over twenty pounds. I think he's a good athlete,
Speaker 1: but I saw him at I mean positionally feet and
Speaker 1: hands and body balance and stuff kind of a little
Speaker 1: bit everywhere, but he's such a good athlete that he
Speaker 1: can recover when things go back. I mean I saw
Speaker 1: some guys getting the edge on him a little bit.
Speaker 1: So if this team signs hyothetical they signed Martin, do
Speaker 1: you think guard is still in play at nineteen Well,
Speaker 1: I think he becomes the Joe Looney player. I think
Speaker 1: Martin becomes the center guard Joe loo you sign which
Speaker 1: And that's kind of the same thing with Fleming. I mean,
Speaker 1: until until I'm told otherwise anything's possible, And they have
Speaker 1: their personnel meetings and decide to move all back to
Speaker 1: the left guard, which I don't like. That, but until
Speaker 1: I'm told otherwise, I would assume either one of these
Speaker 1: signings would be guys that you're signing to fill the
Speaker 1: role of departed free agents. I get Looney and Byron Bell. Yes,
Speaker 1: and honestly, he's trying to upgrade those spots, and even
Speaker 1: Jonathan Cooper to a to a point, yeah, Fleming sounds
Speaker 1: like just based on his resume, sounds like a massive
Speaker 1: upgrade over what they had, Oh, no doubt. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I mean you could play with this, which was no
Speaker 1: question you could even if you took like I would
Speaker 1: be willing to drastically overpay him to be my swing
Speaker 1: tackle if it meant that. I felt, if you if
Speaker 1: you don't like, if you don't like Chaz Green and
Speaker 1: you don't want to do anything, and you draft yes
Speaker 1: and Tyron Smith and Tyron Smith at the back. I mean,
Speaker 1: now again, I watched Fleming play right tackle onely, he's
Speaker 1: made some starts of left tackle. I've only saw him
Speaker 1: play but in the game, in the big time games,
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, the playoff game against Jacksonville, much better
Speaker 1: against power being Pittsburgh than he was Speed Jacksonville and Philly.
Speaker 1: But so that's what I'm just saying. And to go
Speaker 1: back to Dane's point or Dane's question, if you make
Speaker 1: that signing of Martin or In whatever, just put in
Speaker 1: a veteran guard there. You're thinking of that more as
Speaker 1: your depth swing interior lineman, leaving you open to drafting
Speaker 1: your starter sure somewhere in the draft. I don't disagree
Speaker 1: with that. I don't disagree. I just think that you
Speaker 1: got to look at it. This is a chain. Dane's
Speaker 1: not buying it. I mean, skeptical look on Dan's face.
Speaker 1: Give me a starting guard, I mean they're not. You
Speaker 1: can find a cable starting guard for Oh, I don't
Speaker 1: think I think Martin can start. I personally think Martin
Speaker 1: could start. I do so. But you still think there's
Speaker 1: an option of guard at nineteen. I think that if
Speaker 1: you said, if you said, okay, if they're looking at
Speaker 1: him just at the question, was was he they looking
Speaker 1: at him just as that swing player. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: he did. But I just going a little deeper. I
Speaker 1: my notes. I wrote down, I wrote down original ron Leary.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm talking about the big Ron Leary, not
Speaker 1: the slim down ron Leary, the one that remains. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about a big guy that's physical, that's got some
Speaker 1: upper body strength. You know, ron Leary wasn't always great
Speaker 1: getting to the second level and you know all that.
Speaker 1: But this guy he's got he's got some ron Leary
Speaker 1: traits to him. From what I saw, I would just
Speaker 1: love I'm with Dane in this. I mean, and they
Speaker 1: need they need a swing guy too, but I would
Speaker 1: love to just get that need out of the way. Well,
Speaker 1: if they might, they might draft, they might draft again.
Speaker 1: I think Dane's gonna be right. They they probably won't
Speaker 1: take a guard at nineteen. They probably won't if they
Speaker 1: signed Martin they I don't know if they will. Along
Speaker 1: the same line, Like I said, there's a couple of
Speaker 1: veteran receivers come gard. I think Sean wants to know.
Speaker 1: Would signing a veteran receiver kill the dream of taking
Speaker 1: a receiver early? Not not with the Wednes. That's why
Speaker 1: I I think Justin Hunters one of them. Yeah, out
Speaker 1: of here, Justin Hunter's we're talking about maybe a fourth receiver.
Speaker 1: We're talking about like vet minimum signings too, like not, Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't there was a time when Justin Hunter I thought
Speaker 1: it was gonna be the next aj Green Tennessee kid.
Speaker 1: Right at Tennessee, he looked like, recruited him, coached him,
Speaker 1: he looked like the next day J Green, and then
Speaker 1: towards acl Mesta, he hasn't looked the same since, hasn't
Speaker 1: done anything, uh, since he was a second round pick
Speaker 1: because the Titans way back when. So yeah, that's you're
Speaker 1: trying to replace Bryce Butler with those picks exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah, all right, we'll wrap up the last
Speaker 1: of this like current events, um with a question from
Speaker 1: d Davis, which, Okay, I haven't seen this from any
Speaker 1: credible source. I think it's just fans speculation. You correct
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, But he wants to know, would
Speaker 1: you take the colts thirty sixth overall pick for David Irving.
Speaker 1: Seems like there's a lot of speculations out there, bad
Speaker 1: Eber coordinator. Yeah. Yeah, And the Colts now have two
Speaker 1: second round picks, which I think I read if they
Speaker 1: were to do that deal, they would have to surrender
Speaker 1: their air own, Yes, their own, and Chris Ballard was
Speaker 1: in CASEC when Irving was originally on that roster on
Speaker 1: the practice squad, but which okay, hey, I'm there's a
Speaker 1: lot of links that make this makes sense. But have
Speaker 1: you heard it from anything credible other than this makes sense? No? Either,
Speaker 1: have I what kind of messes that up is? I
Speaker 1: think Chris is really focused on the draft. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think he's looking too because they got out some
Speaker 1: money to spend and they've barely spent any dollars. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they they've looked at somebody's price tags and said, well,
Speaker 1: we'll go wholesale, not retail. We'll go build through the draft.
Speaker 1: We'll get these draft picks, and next year we'll we'll
Speaker 1: see you. I mean, we'll save up some money, maybe
Speaker 1: resign some of our own guys. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: Chris is doing it the right way. He's not just
Speaker 1: throwing money out there and seeing what happened. So I
Speaker 1: would be surprised if we saw anything happen with Irving,
Speaker 1: especially with the Colts. Who knows? Are the Cowboys doing
Speaker 1: it the right way? What do you mean with the
Speaker 1: way they're handling free agency? And it's hard to say
Speaker 1: that when they're literally the only team that has not
Speaker 1: signed a player from the outside. But no, but you
Speaker 1: praise Balor for what his his because they're not in
Speaker 1: a Colts aren't winning this year. You know, he's not
Speaker 1: trying to put a band aid on some holes and
Speaker 1: trying to mean trying to build something. They're in a
Speaker 1: pretty different phase of their roster building. It seems right
Speaker 1: Cowboys are willing to there there they need to shoot
Speaker 1: with with seventy million dollars, shouldn't he be trying to
Speaker 1: rebuild his roster then for the right price tag? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's the same philosophy applied to a different situation. Obviously,
Speaker 1: the Colts have a lot more money. I think. You know,
Speaker 1: the conclusion I've come to is like building through the
Speaker 1: draft and doing it that way is overall the right strategy.
Speaker 1: But you're not going to get where you want to
Speaker 1: go without bringing in some outside help, I don't think.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the Colts are in a different spot where,
Speaker 1: like I think it's probably understood that the Colts aren't
Speaker 1: expect to contend for at least a year or two,
Speaker 1: and so that's not something they need to be doing
Speaker 1: right now. Where if the Cowboys were bad, we would
Speaker 1: be if the Cowboys just drafting guys, If the Cowboys
Speaker 1: were bad, they would have tens of million dollars more
Speaker 1: in cap space and probably a lot more draft picks
Speaker 1: or higher draft picks to work with. Like you look
Speaker 1: at the Jets, that's a desperate team. The amount of
Speaker 1: money they gave Tremaine Johnson. I mean, Tremaine Johnson's a
Speaker 1: nice player, but they gave him a lot of money
Speaker 1: because they're desperate and they have some money to spend,
Speaker 1: so they're going to try and win right now. Indianapolis
Speaker 1: doesn't need to do that. They need to build for
Speaker 1: the future. And I mean, I get some of the fans,
Speaker 1: Indie fans, being upset because they haven't spent a lot
Speaker 1: of the money, but I mean, I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: hard to get too upset when I think they're just
Speaker 1: trying to build for the future, not necessarily, you know,
Speaker 1: plug a few holes when they're not going to win
Speaker 1: next year. Plus they had to factor in Luck is
Speaker 1: kind of holding that franchise hostage right now. And not
Speaker 1: Luck specifically, but his injury, his arm injury, it's the shoulder,
Speaker 1: it's you just don't know. But the fact that they've
Speaker 1: unknown there, the fact that the Cults are willing to
Speaker 1: trade out of a top three pick tells you they
Speaker 1: must at least feel optimistic about him. Oh yeah, and
Speaker 1: I think they do, but I don't. You can't go
Speaker 1: all in for this year, yeah, you know, no without
Speaker 1: knowing for sure Luck what's going on with him, and
Speaker 1: then the state of your roster. But yeah, I think
Speaker 1: the cults are gonna be interesting because I don't think
Speaker 1: they want to move back, but they're going to be
Speaker 1: open to and it's gonna be pretty enticing if they
Speaker 1: get some more offers. But I think they'll be perfectly
Speaker 1: fine sticking at six and taking Quentin Nelsen. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: Chubb gets there, they'll be fine taking a guy there. Spencer,
Speaker 1: going back to what we were just talking about, Spencer says,
Speaker 1: just whatever, pick a name, it doesn't matter for this exercise.
Speaker 1: But just assuming the Cowboys address their offensive line in
Speaker 1: a satisfactory manner over the next few weeks, would that
Speaker 1: make you more or less likely to trade up? And
Speaker 1: I think his logic is that if you do that,
Speaker 1: with the exception of wide receiver, I guess the vast
Speaker 1: majority of your needs are on defense. So does that
Speaker 1: make you more likely to use draft capital to go
Speaker 1: get a defender that you really feel good about or
Speaker 1: trade away from it? If there's not a guy that
Speaker 1: fits at nineteen. I guess I recently did a mock
Speaker 1: draft just posted on Twitter today, and the top defensive
Speaker 1: players available at nineteen in this scenario Tavin Bryan Florida
Speaker 1: three technique, Layton vander Esch linebacker. Both those players went
Speaker 1: twenty and twenty one his mock, Marcus Davenport with twenty three,
Speaker 1: Harold Landry, Mike used or On Pain. So those are
Speaker 1: the defensive players that would just available be available in
Speaker 1: this scenario. I don't know if anyone necessarily sticks out
Speaker 1: as yeah, we should stay and get that guy. I
Speaker 1: don't know if who would you wind up picking for Dallas.
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley? Yeah, I think I feel better about Calvin
Speaker 1: Ridley than any of the guys you just named off.
Speaker 1: You want to go? Where did you pick? Roquan Smith
Speaker 1: thirteen Redskins? We're We're back. No, I'm back on this. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just thinking Derwin James. You have him,
Speaker 1: Sampa seven, Tampa Minka went nine to the San Francisco
Speaker 1: Can I ask a quick question about him? Which one?
Speaker 1: Mika Minka? What do you got? Is he really sliding?
Speaker 1: Is he gonna slide? I don't know. No, he's not sliding.
Speaker 1: Dane Burglar told me a couple of weeks ago to
Speaker 1: mark it down that he was going forward to the Browns.
Speaker 1: So wow, he's sliding. Dan, No, I don't think he's sliding.
Speaker 1: It's he's a top ten pick. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: think he's a top five lock. Where's the top ten pick?
Speaker 1: So I don't If he goes nine doesn't mean sliding.
Speaker 1: And we get so, well, we thought he was a
Speaker 1: top four pick, didn't we Just because we had n't
Speaker 1: going forward doesn't mean oh, definitely going top four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we get so like locked in this, like
Speaker 1: we had Minka going forward was a staple in mock drafts.
Speaker 1: Oh sure it was. And then all of a sudd
Speaker 1: and when he doesn't go forward, it's like, oh gosh,
Speaker 1: he's falling. No, No, I'm just asking, No, I know,
Speaker 1: I get that a lot, how Minka is falling. You're
Speaker 1: being kind of combative today. I feel like it's Monday falling.
Speaker 1: Okay because along the top five. No. But the funny
Speaker 1: thing this happens too, where like we in the media
Speaker 1: go away from a guy and in the league like
Speaker 1: their opinion never changed. So all of a sudden, the
Speaker 1: media catches up to what the teams have already learned.
Speaker 1: But I feel like a lot of times the media
Speaker 1: will spend it even further forward than that, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, a guy they're projecting to go at
Speaker 1: twelve goes at five, and everybody's like, oh, that's so surprising,
Speaker 1: when it really it's not at all. No, it's not
Speaker 1: surprising at all. People get so a little over the
Speaker 1: top of some of these. You know, if a player
Speaker 1: we had projected going top five falls to eight or nine,
Speaker 1: doesn't mean he's falling. It's just there wasn't a natural
Speaker 1: fit at five, six or seven, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just Quentin Nelson. You know, he could fall to eleven.
Speaker 1: That's a really good point. Like wait, I mean we've
Speaker 1: the very first show we did in January was like,
Speaker 1: that's he's the best prospect in the draft. He's gonna
Speaker 1: be on the cover of your book. It's not absolutely
Speaker 1: he can fall all the way to like twelve, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's you know what could happen. So since Leonard
Speaker 1: Williams fell to five, yeah, six, about six exactly? All right,
Speaker 1: let's we gotta take we gotta take a quick breakcare
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Speaker 1: Morgan Studios. Brian brought us a very frazzled Dane Brugler. Frazzled,
Speaker 1: I am hey, okay, I'm frazzled. All right, we're good.
Speaker 1: I'm worried about you man. A little bit story about
Speaker 1: you've just been throwing grenades at him for the last hour.
Speaker 1: Oh no, he's tough. It gets tough. He handled that.
Speaker 1: He could surely hang on the handle. That okay. David
Speaker 1: Hillman Kent Garrison as well. David, let's called blue. Will
Speaker 1: tell me more if we could. I did this one
Speaker 1: just for you, Brian. Thank you because I listened to
Speaker 1: you and I respect your opinion. And you haven't shut
Speaker 1: up about this guy. So I want you to tell
Speaker 1: me more about Memphis linebacker Jennard Avery. Jenard Avery, do
Speaker 1: you want to talk about him a little bit yourself?
Speaker 1: Like you're a guy, This says, the guy won't shut
Speaker 1: up about So I love I love this guy. Hold on,
Speaker 1: I gotta get my notes all pulled up. Leave Dan alone.
Speaker 1: And by the way, his first name Jennard, Jennard Avious,
Speaker 1: Genard Avious. Yes, he's a flyer Avius related to my
Speaker 1: guy Mingo at a lsu or Jennard Avious and Barkivius.
Speaker 1: This guy's a six foot two hundred and forty eight
Speaker 1: pound missile. This guy is four or five nine on
Speaker 1: the speed. By the way, not bad run a little bit, ya.
Speaker 1: I'm looking for those guys. I'm looking for guys to
Speaker 1: have got again just over six foot two hundred and
Speaker 1: forty eight pounds. Like I said, I'm looking like guys
Speaker 1: that will step up, take on blocks, be physical, play
Speaker 1: the point of attack. This guy's a violent tackler. I
Speaker 1: saw that. I mean, at times a little bit too
Speaker 1: aggress if at times an overrun some plays. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what you know. The guy plays with
Speaker 1: some balance. I thought he could work through the trash.
Speaker 1: He works against double teams. He could split those and
Speaker 1: do all right. He's quick to read plays, he could
Speaker 1: get outside in a hurry. He never gives up on
Speaker 1: a play. I just see a relentless player. I mean,
Speaker 1: I like how he comes back. If he goes up
Speaker 1: to field the balls there, he comes back, makes the play,
Speaker 1: retraces his steps close down on the edge. This this guy.
Speaker 1: There's a lot to like about this guy. And they
Speaker 1: use him though as a rusher. I mean that's his
Speaker 1: big thing though. He is a guy that they take
Speaker 1: off the edge and he can get low and dip
Speaker 1: and get around the corner and cause some problems in
Speaker 1: the pocket games. I watch Central Xtreme Connecticut, Tulane sim
Speaker 1: in Central Florida with the games, I took a peek
Speaker 1: at this kid. I'm just not sure where you're gonna
Speaker 1: play him. I mean, maybe he's just a MIC linebacker,
Speaker 1: don't I don't see that at all, because he can't cover,
Speaker 1: and he can't he's a downhill only player. Well you
Speaker 1: know what though, That's what I'm saying though, when you
Speaker 1: you don't and as as mike linebacker, they could take him.
Speaker 1: I mean they could use him. They're using Jalen Smith
Speaker 1: as a rusher. Now, Jalen Smith is going to end
Speaker 1: up being a MIC linebacker rusher. Let me tell you that.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna use this guy as a strictly a rusher,
Speaker 1: I'm okay. With that, not strictly as a rusher. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about a point of attack player that's physical that
Speaker 1: he play sideline the sideline there. Yeah, if you're gonna
Speaker 1: use him strictly only going downhill, you might have something there.
Speaker 1: But what's your draft grade on him? I got him
Speaker 1: the third round, Okay, so so I'm getting him at
Speaker 1: eighty one for me is for him. He sounds like
Speaker 1: he's gonna go. Well, I meant at all eighty one. Overall,
Speaker 1: that's not the steepest price in the world to pay
Speaker 1: for an early down linebacker, Like if you got to
Speaker 1: take him off the field in obvious passing situations. I
Speaker 1: mean third, he's pick eighty one, He's not picked nineteen.
Speaker 1: See the thing about it is though he has not
Speaker 1: seen any film with him cover. That's why he's making
Speaker 1: the adjustment thing. Oh sure, no, nor your analysis was
Speaker 1: he can't cover, but he plays as a rush. He
Speaker 1: gets I've seen him getting throwing lanes and see him
Speaker 1: tip balls. I mean what started wanted him to do.
Speaker 1: That's not he said. But for seven years a year
Speaker 1: he started a week side linebacker. They use him as
Speaker 1: a rush. They use him as a rusher because he
Speaker 1: can affect the pocket. You haven't seen him cover? Say that, No,
Speaker 1: the second half of the year he played as a
Speaker 1: pass rusher. The first half of the year he plays
Speaker 1: a week side linebacker. I've seen him cover plenty. He
Speaker 1: not just not very that's not his forte. He can rush,
Speaker 1: he can get after the quarterback. He's at his best
Speaker 1: when he's going downhill. He's very aggressive, sometimes over aggressive.
Speaker 1: Like you said, Yeah, I just if I'm going to
Speaker 1: take a player in the top one hundred, I need
Speaker 1: a guy that I feel more comfortable staying on the
Speaker 1: field in any down situation. And with him, I don't
Speaker 1: feel that I see. To me, he's more of a
Speaker 1: nickel player, a sub package guy. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just I finding the exact position for him is my
Speaker 1: biggest struggle with this guy. The Cowboys like the Cowboys
Speaker 1: creativity with legendary so I mean, I'm sure they get
Speaker 1: true hear it out. Yeah, um, let's stick at linebacker
Speaker 1: right here. I got one for you, Clemson's Dorian O'Daniel.
Speaker 1: There's a guy. Tell me about that guy. That's another
Speaker 1: guy where you kind of you picked all the guys.
Speaker 1: Everybody's going, oh, hey, what does he some people of
Speaker 1: some people say the film has gotten bad. I never
Speaker 1: saw a great film on him. No, but he didn't
Speaker 1: have terrible film either. You know, he's but he's kind
Speaker 1: of a safety. He's an overhang linebacker. Another guy where
Speaker 1: where you're gonna play him you kind of have to
Speaker 1: specialized position for him because he's he's not a true
Speaker 1: linebacker and he's not a true safety. He's kind of
Speaker 1: a hybrid in the middle. And you can use those
Speaker 1: types of guys, sure, but again you have to have
Speaker 1: a plan for how you're going to use him. Uh
Speaker 1: Nickel's safety. I mean, that's why I put him my Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I agree with you there. He's because he doesn't have
Speaker 1: the ideal measurements that you want, right have the ideal speed.
Speaker 1: He's a little bit of a tweener. And again, you
Speaker 1: can use those types of guys, but you have to
Speaker 1: have a specific plan in place for how he's gonna
Speaker 1: fit your defense. That scares me more than it. Like
Speaker 1: when you tell me that about a guy, I'm just like, ah, well,
Speaker 1: they're not gonna I mean he's basically a box safety. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's basically what he is. And I said the last line,
Speaker 1: I think you don't want him carrying receivers down the field. No,
Speaker 1: that's that you know. Now you talk about somebody they
Speaker 1: can't cover. Yeah, Oran O'Daniel can't cover, and he covered.
Speaker 1: I think he covers like a box safety. One of
Speaker 1: my one of my favorite names in this draft for sure,
Speaker 1: though it's just fun to say, rolls off the tongue. Um.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows about the NC State defensive line. They got
Speaker 1: a couple of good guys on there, but one guy
Speaker 1: I don't remember talking about is defensive tackle Justin Jones. Yep.
Speaker 1: And it's easy to overlook some of those. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: like they're, uh, yeah, they don't have talent anywhere else.
Speaker 1: All four of their defensive linement are gonna get drafted. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: Justin Jones is probably the if you're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: the four, Cantavius Street, Bradley Chub, B. J Hill, Justin
Speaker 1: Jones is probably the least talented of the four. But
Speaker 1: that's not I mean, that's not a knock against him.
Speaker 1: It's just those other guys are three really talented guys
Speaker 1: that are probably drafted in top five rounds. Yeah, Bradley Chubb,
Speaker 1: top five, BJ Hill to me's a top one hundred
Speaker 1: pick and I than Cantavious Street, probably in a top
Speaker 1: five mix, top five round mix. Justin Jones probably more
Speaker 1: of a later round guy. But in my notes, get
Speaker 1: off handwork, uh struggles to disengage or win to the
Speaker 1: point of attack you can too easily neutralize by interior threats.
Speaker 1: Yea loves to play the bully role. Um. He can
Speaker 1: provide depth on an NFL roster as a block eater,
Speaker 1: so I think he can help. But he's more of
Speaker 1: a rotation guy, not so much. You're gonna step in
Speaker 1: expect to be a starter early on. I agree. That
Speaker 1: sounds like more what they need. In my opinion, I
Speaker 1: canna live with that. Yeah, no, you will. What's this,
Speaker 1: uh the m of this team and drafting your one
Speaker 1: technique tique? You're yeah, late in the draft, so six
Speaker 1: seventh round. Yeah, hey you never know. Hey, maybe you
Speaker 1: get a lucky and find a bo Allen. There you go?
Speaker 1: How about that like the Eagles? Yeah, sure did, I've
Speaker 1: actually watched this guy, but I still want you to
Speaker 1: tell me more about Vanderish. No, well, we need to
Speaker 1: do a whole segment on him. Yeah, that would be Yeah,
Speaker 1: usc wide receiver Deonte Burnett slot player right day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and give him credit. He was really productive this year. Um.
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold said it. As much as we talked about
Speaker 1: Sam Donald having an off year, He's the only USC
Speaker 1: quarterback to ever throw for four thousand yards and he
Speaker 1: did that this year. So not bad. Deonte Burnette was
Speaker 1: a big part of that. He had almost thirteen hundred
Speaker 1: yards receiving. He's a smallish guy and he plays small.
Speaker 1: I mean he he'll make some Yeah, he'll make some
Speaker 1: highlight reel catches, you know him do some impressive things.
Speaker 1: But for the most part, he's a smallest receiver. Uh,
Speaker 1: he's got some reliability issues, focus issues. But out of
Speaker 1: the slot, you know, he's your mid round not he
Speaker 1: might not go top one hundred, but maybe four round
Speaker 1: slot option. He's used a lot on screens, is what
Speaker 1: I saw. He can he can break some tackles for
Speaker 1: a small guy, which is a little bit surprising. But
Speaker 1: I think the thing about him, the most important thing
Speaker 1: is like the slot stuff, he knows how to find space,
Speaker 1: he knows how to get open that way. But I
Speaker 1: think that he you know, he doesn't deal with much
Speaker 1: press coverage too, so I never really saw him having
Speaker 1: to deal with how to you know, you know, but
Speaker 1: his size again at five eleven, one seventy, that's going
Speaker 1: to limit some of the stuff. What he's gonna do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the underneath player only. Yeah, got another show after this.
Speaker 1: We gotta get to Oh that's true. Well, we gotta
Speaker 1: we want to piece out. I got one more piece out,
Speaker 1: all right, we'll save it, save it for the next day.
Speaker 1: That's fine. Yeah, we've got a show coming up here
Speaker 1: next with Shannon and Nate and uh, Kurt Daniels and
Speaker 1: those guys. They're coming up next here. Stay tuned on us,
Speaker 1: So stay tuned for that. Uh for my buddies, Uh,
Speaker 1: Dane Burgler, David Hellman, Kent Garrison. Thank you guys so
Speaker 1: much for joining the Draft show. We'll be back eleven
Speaker 1: a him next Thursday with more coverage. Make sure you
Speaker 1: guys keep watching that tape. We'll see you then.