WEBVTT - Draft Show: Who Will Draft A QB? 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:07.280 He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys on 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:11.320 your war room for incenter news and draft analysis from 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:14.840 deep within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:20.600 in Fresco, Dallas Cowboys Select Elliot and now your hosts 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:25.160 Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us Well. We 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:28.800 welcome you to the SWBC Mortgage Studios. You've got the 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:33.639 Draft show here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com, also on 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:37.080 our periscope platform as well. We appreciate everybody hanging out 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:41.040 with us. I got my scouting buddies here. Dane Brugler, 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:44.920 David Hellman, King Garrison executive producing this show today. Boys 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:49.559 trading on you this weekend. Huh, guys moving up in 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:52.920 this draft, you know, get to spot certain spots, teams 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:55.840 moving around. Kind of talked about this Thursday. Didn't we 0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:59.160 sit around all week waiting for some stuff to happen, 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:02.960 just you know, it's free agency drafts getting closer and 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:05.679 then all held sites to break loose on the weekend. 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:10.240 You know, Yes, typical when we talked about this on 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:13.480 Thursday in the Draft show about how teams are going 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:15.480 to be aggressive moving up for quarterbacks. You know, we 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:18.840 know that, and we singled out the Colts as a 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:21.759 team that was going to be open for business looking 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:23.959 to move back. Now. I didn't think we'd see a 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:27.959 trade this early, but it shows just how desperate the 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:31.919 Jets are for a quarterback, right, And I don't correct 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:33.920 me if I'm wrong. I don't remember a trade like 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:38.000 this this early, when they're clearly trading on for a quarterback. 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:40.000 I don't buy the sequon Barkley. I don't buy I 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:41.720 don't buy it at all. Sure they're trading on for 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:45.200 a quarterback, there's still two teams picking in front of them. 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:49.160 Oh I know. I mean they must feel comfortable with 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:52.400 three quarterbacks in this draft, at least three quarterbacks, because 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:54.760 there's no way you can know who the Browns are 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:56.480 going to take and what the Giants are gonna do 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:59.040 if the Giants even stay at two. So they must 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:01.480 like three this quarterbacks, which I'm glad you said that. 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:04.320 I would love if that's the case. I would love 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:06.600 the refreshing honesty, because I was joking about this over 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:09.639 the weekend. Like every team in the league, they love 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:11.520 to say like this was our guy, this was our 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:14.400 number one guy. We got our number one. Everybody else 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:19.200 can do what they want. But there's four quarterbacks that 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:21.880 we feel really confident or going early in this draft. Sure, 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:24.560 what are the odds? I mean, as many as two 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:27.000 of them could be picked before the Jets get on 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:30.400 the clock, assuming there's no more movement. And so you're 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:33.079 going to tell me that the guy that could potentially 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:35.280 fall to third is definitely gonna be there, Guy Like, 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:38.560 that's seems risky unless that they are willing to admit 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:41.560 that they feel good about multiple quarterbacks. Yeah, that's what 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:43.640 most teams don't want to admit that. They want to 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:46.400 say we got our guy right. Mike mcagnan is a 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.200 friend of mine. He's a general manager for the Jets. 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:52.760 Mike and I worked together nineteen ninety in NFL Europe. 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:55.959 He was a young general manager actually player personnel guy 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:59.600 for the London Monarchs that won the championship that year. 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:02.480 Right out of school. This kid goes right end up 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:06.400 being a you know, worked in working in nflure. Mike's great. 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:10.480 Mike's a great guy. He's desperate right now, but he's 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:14.959 desperate and this might be somebody else's problem next year. 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:17.920 You know, when you start talking about trading away picks 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:20.959 and multiple picks and all that and trying to move 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:24.919 into draft. Him and a head coach are clearly clearly 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:27.520 on the hot seat there, and you make moves like 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:30.520 this to try and keep your job, and if it 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:34.440 doesn't work, Mike mckegnan will go back and be director 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:37.560 of college scouting or director of pro personnel or director 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:40.880 player personnel somewhere else. But this is a move clearly 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:43.560 that was made out of desperation for to try and 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:47.680 find a quarterback, because again, their jobs are on the line. 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:52.320 That's that's the type of move I personally, I personally 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:55.000 would have not made that move unless I was going 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:59.520 to two. I'm not sitting at three and hoping that 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:03.480 things work out. They must done. They must like three 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:06.080 of these quarterbacks. Yeah, well, if you're gonna make a 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:09.680 move like that, you're going to like one guy. I 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:11.560 don't know how you could sit there and cast a 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:14.040 net out and say, Okay, we like three of these guys. 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:16.679 That's how quarterback desperate they are, though. Yeah, but then 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:19.480 then that's really poor evaluation on his partner. I love 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:21.720 Michael like a brother. Well not if they like three 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:25.640 these quarterbacks though. Yeah, but you don't make that move. 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:28.960 What if the tags are touching and there's clearly one 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:31.800 tag above the other three tags, two tags, but you 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:33.680 know you're not getting the one. The Browns aren't trading 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:37.720 out of one and number two with the Giants. We 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:40.280 don't know what's going on there are the Giants and 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:44.760 the Yeah, are they watched the Buffalo for Buffalo to 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:47.920 trade three number ones? Because but we know Buffalo's two 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:51.159 number ones this year is Getleman waiting for Buffalo to 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:53.640 throw in that sweetener next year's one to go up 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:58.160 to number two. Maybe it's interesting to hold New York 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:00.080 New York. I mentioned it last week, New York New 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:02.880 yorked at Dynamic, they've never made a trade. Yeah, these 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:05.720 two franchises, it might have been at that right there 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:08.000 as a non starter for them. So three might be 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:10.720 as early as the Jets were gonna pick. So they 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:12.320 might not have had an option to go up to 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:15.280 one and two. They go to three, they feel good. Okay, 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:17.680 let's just say from the Jets perspective, we're sitting here, 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:20.479 we think Sam Donald's going number one to Cleveland. Sure, 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:23.520 we don't have time for Josh Allen to wait. Okay, 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:25.760 but we feel good about Baker Mayfield or Josh Rosen 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:28.800 coming in being capable and NFL starting quarterbacks. We're gonna 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:30.520 go up to three. We feel we're gonna get one 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:34.479 of those two quarterbacks. I mean, the logic is there 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:37.880 at least which and honestly, I would find it refreshing 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:39.920 if a team was willing to admit that that's how 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:42.800 they were thinking, because it's all a crapshoot anyway. You know, 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:45.720 don't don't try to convince me that you got your 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:49.200 guy at three when odds are he's probably QB one 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:53.360 aka Sam Darnold. Just admit it. And honestly, I mean, 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:56.640 nobody really has a consensus on how these quarterbacks stack 0:05:56.720 --> 0:05:59.400 up anyway. So you get up to three, you know 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:01.400 there's no way all of them are gone, and you 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:03.080 just hope for the best with the guy you get. 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:05.640 I don't I get what you're saying, Like that's kind 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:09.280 of scary to admit that you're just leaving it to chance. Yeah, 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:11.680 you gotta do what you gotta do, But yeah, you're right. 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:14.400 I understand going up and I understand giving it up. 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:17.440 But I also understand, though, what I'm going to get. 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:21.480 YEA We've been very clear they're going to get a quarterback. 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:25.880 We've been very clear about this that we our little 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:29.440 group is willing to trade up for certain players. Oh sure, 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:32.360 not just the hope that somebody's gonna be there. Our 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:34.359 jobs aren't on the line though. Not only that, but 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:36.800 on this show, we've been you know, every time we 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:40.400 do that, we're like Roquan Smith or Derwin James. It's 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:42.800 like always one, it's never We've never been able to 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:45.840 come to a consensus on the guy. Here's the other thing, too, 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:50.159 is they're not the only team. Look, Arizona Buffalo. They 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:51.880 had to do it before anyone else is going to 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:55.320 trade up. And with Buffalo having those two first round picks, 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:58.760 having the AMMO, they Dije just said, hey, we're gonna 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:00.200 beat them to the punch. We're gonna go up to 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:03.559 number three and we're going to you know, eliminate that doubt. 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:05.120 And if if the Buffalo wants to go up to 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:07.920 number two and trade three number ones, so be it. 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:09.400 But we're gonna go up to the number three so 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:11.040 they can't go to is Denver out of the mix 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:14.760 had taken the quarterback. Now, oh they Petron case Keams 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:16.760 a nice quarterback, but he is not. Yeah, but they 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:20.080 talked about Paxton Lynch as a development and quarterback for 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:22.720 them right now. They've talked about that. You can't as 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:25.680 they're covering their butts, you can't rule them out. I mean, 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:28.440 how could you? What? I don't think Paxton Lynch has 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:30.960 done absolutely nothing to make have they given him a 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:33.120 chance to do anything. He's seen a few starts and 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:36.280 he's tripped over his feet and I mean he's I'm 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:38.880 not saying I'm not completely they they they they missed 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:42.080 that one up. John Elway messed that one up. And 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:44.760 by drafting him or what, oh if you draft him 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:47.680 or what, are not playing him? How about that? Yeah? 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:49.960 How about everybody else at least has an idea what 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:53.640 their quarterbacks can do. That's a terrible, terrible job of it. 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:55.120 And this we don't know what's going on behind the 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:57.640 scenes too though. Oh no, the kid doesn't work hard, 0:07:57.800 --> 0:07:59.960 right exactly. I've said that. I mean I've gone on 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:03.520 people in Yeah, I've gone on Denver. People love me 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:06.360 because I'm like the Denver whisperer. And if he's not 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:09.800 pushing himself off the field, then you know he doesn't 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:11.800 need to see see the field on my team. So 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:15.760 I like they botch the Packs and Lynch situation by 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:18.480 drafting in the first place. If this is how his 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:22.160 legacy in Denver is gonna play out, But no, absolutely 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:24.640 quarterback is still in play. Case Keenum is a nice 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:28.240 short term quarterback, which you're about to say something, Yeah, 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:30.280 I'm about to ask you a big time question. Go ahead. 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:33.520 That further approves the logic and what the Jets did 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:35.960 is like, even at six, you can't just sit back 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:38.040 and assume that you get a guy you feel good about. 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:41.280 That's why Buffalo is traded up to Yeah, and we'll 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:44.040 see if Buffalo can get there at three somewhere, we 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:45.679 just don't know where. We don't know where. At three, 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:48.000 the Jets are guaranteed to have a chance at one 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:51.720 of these prospects that everybody considers. You know, here's my question, 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:54.480 where's betting on? Here's my question? And the gentleman, go ahead. 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:59.320 If you're Woody Johnson, which current NFL GM would you 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:02.760 like draft for you? The owner of the New York Jets. 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:07.800 You gotta make that pick. You guys, tell me, everybody's 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:10.720 telling me that man, they've got three guys, they like, 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:16.520 give me a current NFL GM that you want drafting 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:23.800 for you in that spot at three, then I just 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:25.480 put everybody on the spot a little bit. Yeah. No, 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:28.080 I mean I'm like going through my well, through my 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.840 memory banks, right, Who's gonna pick me the best player 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:34.040 at three? Well? You could talk to Mickey, Yeah, Mickey 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:39.679 would I don't know. I mean there's plenty of general 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:42.000 managers in this league who I would trust with that pick. 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.440 I don't know if one necessarily stands out as being, 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:50.040 you know, a quarterback guru general manager who nails the 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:54.439 quarterback evaluations more so than like another. So you're okay 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:57.559 with Mike mcagnan making that pick. I'm okay with him 0:09:57.600 --> 0:09:59.240 making that pick. Sure. I mean I'm not saying that 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:02.240 I would prefer him out of thirty two general managers pick. 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:05.120 But he knows the Jets better than any other general manager. No. 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:06.840 But if you but if you had to have a 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:09.400 guy that you know this is, this is a guts 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:12.640 pick right here. I really, because you guys are telling me, Hey, 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:16.480 they like multiple guys picked the multi pick the one 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:20.079 guy you like. I really I respect your guy, John 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:26.120 Schneider a lot everybody busts picks and then um, Kevin 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:28.800 Colbert in Pittsburgh is another guy who always seems like 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:30.839 he does a really good job. But that's I mean, 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:35.599 franchises have to make big picks on quarterbacks so infrequently, 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:38.440 at least the successful ones, the ones that aren't constantly 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:41.160 turning over their general managers. It's it's not like there's 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:43.720 a guy out there who's got this amazing track record 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:46.280 of like, well, when he drafts a quarterback, right there 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:49.560 you go. So I mean, take your best shot at 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:51.560 it with a guy who's got a good track record. 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:53.840 I mean, I don't think there's one guy that stands 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:56.760 above anybody else. Mike mccagnen in New York has been 0:10:57.720 --> 0:10:59.280 on the outside looking in on some of these top 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:01.960 quarterbacks last few years. He's helped own a lot of 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:06.800 resources at these quarterbacks. I mean he Bryce Petty in 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:09.560 the fourth round, Christian Hackenberg in the second round. He's 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:13.520 tired of doing what the same? What that's not the same? Yeah, 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:15.320 I mean he's been on the outside looking in, Like 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:17.920 you know, he hasn't gone for it in the first 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.520 round on one of these quarterbacks. You're always jobs on 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:23.800 the line. Now, absolutely so he needs. When you're talking quarterbacks, 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.760 big assets are like top ten picks at like what 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:29.600 the Jets just did, that's big assets. Hackerberg was a 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:32.880 lottery ticket. Spending pick fifty one on Christian Hackenburg is 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:35.080 not a big roll, That's what I mean. Obviously it 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:37.000 was a miss, don't get me wrong, but like, that's 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:39.440 not when it comes to finding your quarterback for the 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:42.440 next decade, that's nothing. I don't think that the Jets 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:44.760 never looked at Christian Hackenberg is saying that's our future 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:46.559 right there. They looked at him as saying like a 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:49.319 und pick, it was a lottery ticket. It's they saw 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:52.800 him as different. It's different for quarterbacks. Everything is different 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:57.680 for quarterbacks. Have this argument every year, unless unless it's 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:00.720 a top ten pick or you're trading and something crazy 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:04.400 to get up there like the Eagles, that's big time 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:06.679 stuff getting up to get wins the way they did 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:08.560 and it worked out. What are the Jets just doing? 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.880 No exactly, but this you're saying they've been throwing stuff 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.280 at it for years. I'm saying that's half If you 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:16.640 look at a two and a four for a quarterback, Yeah, 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:19.920 they're throwing stuff out there. No, again, those are lottery tickets. 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:21.880 That's not the same to me. They never I don't 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:24.199 think they looked at it too become a just because 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:26.520 it's a quarterback. Say it's a lottery ticket too. I 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:28.560 don't think they ever looked at those two quarterbacks instead, 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:30.520 this is our future. I mean, christ Iver hasn't taken 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:32.280 a snap. I mean, I don't think they ever really 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:34.240 viewed the I mean he looked at it as how 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:36.880 many isab is it? How many quarterbacks taken outside the 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:40.440 top thirty five picks have ever blossomed into anything meaningful? 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:45.360 Like maybe half a dozen? Ever, I mean Russell Wilson's 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:48.319 you got your Russell Wilson, you got your your Drew Brees, 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:50.960 you got your dad. Yea, yeah, it's not a long list, 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.520 Tom Brady. It is not a long list. It works 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:55.559 out really well sometimes it's not a long list. And 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.800 so the second round pick not becoming I mean, when 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:01.600 you're talking about it, it's not it's just it's a 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:04.960 it's not a guarantee. You draft a you draft a 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:08.280 linebacker fifty first overall, he'd better be a starter right now. 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:11.520 He better be a good player quarterback. You're just like 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:14.600 oh this works. Yeah, yeah, it's a chance because there's 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:16.120 a reason he's not going in the first. But then 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:18.440 all that argument you guys made with me about trading 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:22.360 fifty up because you wanted to make a pick. Yeah, 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:24.920 what's your point? Well, my point is, though, you guys 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:26.839 are just kind of treating it like a lot. I mean, oh, 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:29.560 just a quarter that's a lot. I feel like we 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:31.680 did this last year, or maybe it was the year before, 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:33.600 which makes me no. I just can't get over the 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:35.840 fact that you guys are just saying that a second 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:39.280 round pick for a quarterback is a lottery. Everything is 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:43.640 different about quarterbacks, everything everything one hundred it just throw 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:45.600 the rest of it out the window. Let me change 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:48.960 the subject here. Can Buffalo make the Giants move out 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:52.000 of two? Yeah? Sure, three first round picks? You think 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:54.400 that's what it's going to take this year's They have 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:56.400 two picks in the first round this year plus the 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:58.959 first nick because and this is different because the Giants 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:00.880 are you're not off the look. I need a GM 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:03.439 by the way, too, you're gonna give me a GM. Uh, 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:08.120 I'll go with I'll go to Dorsey. Dorsey's got guts. 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:09.920 He took a Yeah, he's gonna have to pick a 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:14.480 quarterback Toomes last year, Yeah, and Mahomes or John Dorsey did. 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:20.880 He was at his house from June until December last year, 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:24.360 sitting at home watching tape on spending most of his 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:28.040 time on these quarterbacks. Right. I remember I received a 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:30.000 text from him in August. He said, Dan, give me 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:32.080 your top four quarterbacks. Yeah, I'm gonna start looking at 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:34.560 these guys. I said, in my top four quarterbacks. And 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:37.560 he he has been working on these quarterbacks for a 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:40.920 while now. He has a probably a better understanding of 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:43.520 who these guys are more than any other general manager. 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:46.960 So for the Jets or the MCA, the owner said, hey, 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:49.160 let's get out there and watch these cats play every day. 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:52.280 I'm not mccagnan is one of the hardest working jem Oh. 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:53.920 I love Mike. You go to a pro day, you 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:56.120 go to the shrink, he's gonna be No, he is 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:58.680 gonna be there, Absolutely he is. But he his job 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:01.040 is on the line. Exactly. You made me pick a guy. 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:03.240 I gave you a guy. Okay, I'm with you on Dorsey. 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:06.960 All right. Back to the Giants, Uh, they're going back. 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:09.040 If they trade with Buffalo, They're trading out of the 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:11.680 top ten. That's a big drop to go from two 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:14.120 to outside the top ten. Now again you're picking up 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:16.840 three first round picks, but that's a big drop, and 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:19.520 so it's going to take a little bit more than 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:23.000 you know what other teams have traditionally gone up for. 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:25.920 Throw the trade value chart out the window for quarterbacks, 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:29.160 especially if they do know, especially the quarterback, it does 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:32.520 not matter, that's right. It's it's all that you know, 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:35.000 second round picks or oh, it's all the rules change 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:37.640 when you're talking about quarterbacks, every single one. There are 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:41.080 no rules. That's it. I mean, it's and I'm not 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:44.040 saying that what the Jets did taking Hackenburg, they're taking 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:45.440 a chance, was the right thing to do. I had 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:48.520 a fourth round grade on Hackenburg. I just you know, 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:51.480 I'm not gonna say, oh, because they use the second 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:54.000 round pick on him, that means that, you know, that's 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:56.080 they thought he'd be the future. I think they just 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:58.360 thought it would be you know, they saw some promise 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:01.480 and that hasn't you know, come to fruition for him. Okay, 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:03.800 time to move on. Christian Hackenburg will not be in 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:08.760 the jests next year. Does that bother you I just 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:12.280 let me ask you this. If you're the Giants, you 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:14.800 move three first round picks. I was you know, I 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:16.720 was just thinking when Dane was saying, like, we're watching 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:19.040 the Draft Day show. What I mean, what's that show 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:21.560 with Kevin cost What was that movie Draft Day? I 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:24.360 think it was it called Draft Day? So yeah, I told, like, 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:26.040 guy by the way, I fast costs right, un told 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:28.160 a guy in Seattle, pick that ga Vonte mac no 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:30.800 matter what, right, pick, no matter what. Yeah, if you 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:32.480 want to go ahead and pick that guy, yeah, pick 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:34.840 that guy. Nobody comes to it. I never even saw it. 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:37.240 I heard it was trash, not worth your time, it's 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:40.360 not good. But the draft, come on, it is kids. 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:43.200 The movie Officiano here by the way, Um, what was like? 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:47.120 Oh no, I turned that down. I get I get 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:49.320 what you're getting in return, but it would be hard 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:52.400 for me to go from picking second in the draft 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:55.160 to twelve. Oh you earned that spot, and then twenty two. 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:57.160 I know. That's what I mean. If it was like eight, 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:59.320 I'd feel alive. So while you're picking second, because you're 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:01.240 not any good, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I'm going 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:04.080 to add. But see here's I don't I really don't 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:06.480 think much like the Cowboys the year that they were 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:08.520 up there. I don't think they're as bad as the 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:11.480 record would indicate. And I think that's what makes it 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:13.400 tempting to do a deal like that, because you talk 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:16.240 and you had two first round grades to or near 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:18.960 first round grades to your team, can go a long 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:22.240 way toward putting you back in contention. Does Gentleman get 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:25.800 killed if he doesn't make that trade three first rounds? 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:29.280 Depends on who they get as if they won't Cleveland. 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:31.160 Does I think they need to look at a quarterback 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:35.159 like I know Eli Manning. They think he has another 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:37.800 two to three years. They don't expect me picking a 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:40.400 top five very often. Sure, well, I'm taking a quarterback 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:43.240 while I can now. If they're not taking a quarterback, 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:46.800 then you take that deal and run. And I know 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:49.120 it'd be tempting to stay there and take Barkley, stay 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:51.840 in there, take Chubb, you take three first round picks, 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.480 and you rebuild that roster. At number twelve, you're gonna 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:57.480 get a good player. You're gonna get you. Could you 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:01.879 get a quarterback or twelve? Sure it's possible, bar Jackson, 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:04.800 I don't. I don't know. I mean you have to 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:08.920 you're contending with think about okay, think about the owner 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:10.640 trading in front of you to get a quarterback. Five 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:12.080 could be off the board by the time you pick 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:16.320 Lamar Jackson or Teddy Bridgewater from Louisville. Just in general, 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:18.680 just in general, just coming out of coming out of Louisville, 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:22.359 they're very different, Lamar. You have to with Teddy's knees. 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:24.000 I mean you have no, no, no, just coming out 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:27.600 of just coming out of Louisville. Still, Lamar, I mean, 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:30.240 if they're all perfectly, I mean I had a higher prospect. 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:32.480 And the reason I'm asking this is because the guy 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:34.920 who coached Bridgewater is now you're head coach with the Giants. 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:40.560 I don't even who who is the job? Suremur yeah, 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:43.800 thank you, sorry, I mean Bridgewater is in New York, 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:47.399 the other New York though. Yeah, I'm just saying, coming 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:51.040 out of college, who would you rather have, Lamar Jackson 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:53.160 or Teddy Bridge. I had a higher grade on Teddy 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:55.879 Bridgewater as a prospect than I did do Lamar Jackson 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:59.200 as a prospect. But again, Teddy Bridgewater with his twelve 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:02.600 I'm too intrigued by everything. Lamar Jackson can do for you. 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:04.560 I just and there's a good chance he's not going 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:08.560 to be there at twelve. Yeah, I mean, if you 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:10.639 want a quarterback, you take him at two, or you 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:13.399 don't trade that far down. I will. It's very I 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:14.840 was thinking about this because we had a mail bad 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:18.960 question about it today. It's interesting this conversation. It's interesting 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:20.679 being on the outside of it because we were on 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:23.359 the inside a couple of years ago, and everybody on 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:27.840 this show was not firmly anti draft a quarterback, but 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:32.360 we leaned more toward getting a Zeke Elliott or whoever 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:36.720 else was talked about. Oh for no. But what I'm saying, 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:39.200 you know, from the outsider's perspective, I agree with Dane. 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:41.800 I'm like, the Giants should get a quarterback like Eli 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:44.080 Manning's not getting any younger, blah blah blah blah blah. 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:45.800 You're not gonna be in the top five that often. 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:49.760