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Speaker 1: David Hellman, King Garrison executive producing this show today. Boys

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Speaker 1: trading on you this weekend. Huh, guys moving up in

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Speaker 1: this draft, you know, get to spot certain spots, teams

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Speaker 1: moving around. Kind of talked about this Thursday. Didn't we

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Speaker 1: sit around all week waiting for some stuff to happen,

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Speaker 1: just you know, it's free agency drafts getting closer and

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Speaker 1: You know, Yes, typical when we talked about this on

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Speaker 1: Thursday in the Draft show about how teams are going

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Speaker 1: to be aggressive moving up for quarterbacks. You know, we

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Speaker 1: know that, and we singled out the Colts as a

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Speaker 1: team that was going to be open for business looking

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Speaker 1: to move back. Now. I didn't think we'd see a

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Speaker 1: trade this early, but it shows just how desperate the

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Speaker 1: Jets are for a quarterback, right, And I don't correct

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Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. I don't remember a trade like

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Speaker 1: I don't buy the sequon Barkley. I don't buy I

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Speaker 1: don't buy it at all. Sure they're trading on for

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Speaker 1: three quarterbacks in this draft, at least three quarterbacks, because

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Speaker 1: if the Giants even stay at two. So they must

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Speaker 1: like three this quarterbacks, which I'm glad you said that.

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Speaker 1: I would love if that's the case. I would love

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Speaker 1: the refreshing honesty, because I was joking about this over

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Speaker 1: the weekend. Like every team in the league, they love

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Speaker 1: what are the odds? I mean, as many as two

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Speaker 1: going to tell me that the guy that could potentially

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Speaker 1: most teams don't want to admit that. They want to

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Speaker 1: say we got our guy right. Mike mcagnan is a

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Speaker 1: friend of mine. He's a general manager for the Jets.

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Speaker 1: Mike and I worked together nineteen ninety in NFL Europe.

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Speaker 1: How about everybody else at least has an idea what

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Speaker 1: right exactly. I've said that. I mean I've gone on

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Speaker 1: would I don't know. I mean there's plenty of general

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Speaker 1: with Mike mcagnan making that pick. I'm okay with him

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Speaker 1: making that pick. Sure. I mean I'm not saying that

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Speaker 1: But he knows the Jets better than any other general manager. No.

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Speaker 1: My point is that Patch coach that style of a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: trade back and still get a quarterback. Yeah, it's the

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Speaker 1: point I'm trying to make. Yeah, just because maybe the

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Speaker 1: look at that system, maybe they say, wow, this guy

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Speaker 1: I get it. Lamar Jackson is not the passer of

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Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater. I get it. I think that. I think

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Speaker 1: me personally, if you gave me, you give me one

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Speaker 1: or the other. I'm taking Jackson every single day. I'm

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Speaker 1: just that's me. I'm taking. I'm just saying, if you're

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Speaker 1: Pat Shermer and you felt like that, you know what

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Speaker 1: we could what if they do you think you could

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Speaker 1: get the Oklahoma guy twelve? I doubt it. Not really

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Speaker 1: too many quarterback and needy teams. And he's saying the

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Speaker 1: Jets are gonna take him. I think the Jets are

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Speaker 1: gonna say Mayfield or Rosen. Okay, they don't have to,

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Speaker 1: I don't. They don't have time to wait for Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen mcagnet and Todd Bowles. They got to win pretty

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Speaker 1: quickly here. And even if Josh McCowen or Teddy Bridgewater

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Speaker 1: is a starter for you guys, he's killing my questions

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Speaker 1: here today. What's the question? This quarterback is ready to start? Now?

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Speaker 1: What the rookie give me a guy. Yeah. Rosen and

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Speaker 1: Mayfield I think are the closest of these quarterbacks to

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Speaker 1: starting right away. Doesn't mean then necessarily should, but there

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Speaker 1: are the closest of these top five quarterbacks. Mayfield's uh,

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Speaker 1: four year starter. I mean the guy. He There's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a transition from Oklahoma's offense to what they're gonna

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Speaker 1: ask him to do in the NFL, but I think

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Speaker 1: he can handle it. And then Rosen, he's been running

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Speaker 1: a pro style scheme at UCLA. He's ready to step Ryan.

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Speaker 1: I keep calling him Matt Ryan. Yeah, he's very close

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Speaker 1: to that. So he's I'm not saying think Mike White's

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Speaker 1: ready to start now. To be honest with you, I

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Speaker 1: think Mike White's gonna be a great backup in this league.

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Speaker 1: Mike White's gonna be I think. I think, I like

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Speaker 1: this is the Western Kentucky quarterback by that was a

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Speaker 1: good player. He's a really good player. I'm interested. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying he's ready, but I'd be interested to see

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Speaker 1: what Jackson could do in the same way that Deshaun

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Speaker 1: Watson's athleticism all I mean, Deshaun Watson's not a polished

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Speaker 1: quarterback and by a pro standards by any level. But

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Speaker 1: his athleticism allowed him to do a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 1: And I wonder, I wonder if that guy they yeah,

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Speaker 1: he did. No. Absolutely, that's what I'm saying. Lamar Jackson's

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Speaker 1: not ready to play quarterback in the NFL in the

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Speaker 1: way that you think about it. But he could make something.

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Speaker 1: But he can make things happen, which presents problems while

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Speaker 1: about learning. Absolutely, yeah, And if that's what's I'm okay

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Speaker 1: with quarterbacks starting right away as rookies if they're ready.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we saw last year with Deshaun Kaiser. All

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Speaker 1: I heard was he's ready. He's ready. He wasn't ready

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Speaker 1: when ready, But you know, I just again, Mike White's ready.

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Speaker 1: Do not keep saying, do not try to predict who

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Speaker 1: you're starting quarterbacks gonna be. Hugh Jackson came out and

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Speaker 1: said that Tyrod Taylor's starting quarterback. I mean, that's fine.

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Speaker 1: We everyone knows he's going to be. We don't why

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Speaker 1: you come out and say that. It's dumb. You wait

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Speaker 1: and you let training camp decide that. Yeah. Do not

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Speaker 1: come out and say you're starting three or whatever, one

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Speaker 1: in thirty one whatever. That I didn't get that either,

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Speaker 1: and like, why why why I throw that out there now?

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Speaker 1: I don't know nothing. We're gonna have a new staff

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Speaker 1: there in Cleveland. Get ready. That's the way it is. Sorry, Dane,

485
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Speaker 1: and go save that franchise. You door see Elliott and

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Speaker 1: all those guys have fun room. You get a quarterback,

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Speaker 1: you said at Jackson, Right, you think it's gonna be interesting?

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Speaker 1: I think, well, what like my my QB one? Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't do the ranking stuff. I'm just saying you,

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Speaker 1: who's ready to start? You said at Jackson. I didn't

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Speaker 1: say he's ready to start? I said he has. The

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Speaker 1: question was he has gifts that the other guys don't

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Speaker 1: have that could make him a viable threat in an

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Speaker 1: offense right away. I mean as a runner, getting out

495
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Speaker 1: of bad situations, extending plays. But if you if you're

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Speaker 1: the Giants and you do really like Lamar Jackson, do

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Speaker 1: you feel comfortable trading at twelve and still getting him?

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Speaker 1: I think I would. You're not worried about another team

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Speaker 1: trading up. But Aaron, let me ask you this. It's

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Speaker 1: sitting a fifteen training up to eleven to get him.

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Speaker 1: That's Miami moving right well, any just in gen But

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Speaker 1: That's the great debate is like, why get cute if

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Speaker 1: you feel good about a guy? Let me tell you

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Speaker 1: what if I what about the Giants? What how much

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Speaker 1: do you think about Alan? Do you think Alan would

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Speaker 1: be there at twelve? No? Because the NFL teams are stupid. Okay.

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Speaker 1: If Buffalo is going up to two and quarterbacks are

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Speaker 1: going one, two, three, right, okay, and then we think,

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Speaker 1: good chance Denver could take one as long as the

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Speaker 1: quarterback they like is there at five. That's four quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: right there, there's one quarterback left. Let's just say it's

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Speaker 1: actually two, two three, five, and then okay, let's just say,

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Speaker 1: for hypothetical sake, it's Lamar Jackson. Who's the fifth quarterback?

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Speaker 1: So between pick six and eleven, that's gonna feel like

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Speaker 1: an internity. Yeah, for a team like the Giants say,

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Speaker 1: if that's who they really want, and I don't. There's

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Speaker 1: not a single team in that stretch that really fits

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Speaker 1: the mold of needing a quarterback. So you're talking about

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Speaker 1: I mean trade candidates like if an Air Arizona, what

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Speaker 1: you start? So you got San Francisco in there, you

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Speaker 1: got Oakland, you got Chicago, you got Tampa a whole

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Speaker 1: lot of teams that don't need quarterback, does Arizona. Arizona

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Speaker 1: signed Sam Bradford for a whole lot of money that

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Speaker 1: he doesn't deserve. What they got to do something at quarterback?

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Speaker 1: They can't be done. Yeah, no, they got to make

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Speaker 1: a bold move here. Could go from fifteen to eleven.

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Speaker 1: Sounds doable. Absolutely well, they wouldn't do that, un let's

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Speaker 1: say neither to see their quarterbacks in position to trade

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Speaker 1: for right, I mean, there goes your let's go to

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Speaker 1: Miami to eleven. That that well, I'm just saying when

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Speaker 1: when if the quarterback gets to eleven, that's when you

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Speaker 1: make that trade, not now right? Well, no, sure, oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't think Arizona would do something like that right

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Speaker 1: now until they're on the clock. But right, I think

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Speaker 1: Dane's point is that the Giants probably shouldn't trust that

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Speaker 1: nothing's going to happen on draft night. Yeah, that's if

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Speaker 1: they really want Lamar Jackson. I don't think you go

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Speaker 1: to twelve and you feel great, you're gonna get them there.

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Speaker 1: I think you have to be I'm okay doing that

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Speaker 1: deal because you're picking up three first round picks, but

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Speaker 1: then you better be prepared to move up from twelve

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Speaker 1: to eight something else, because if you last year in

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Speaker 1: the first round, the Saints they were ready to take

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Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes at eleven. Right, they were sitting there thinking, okay, well,

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Speaker 1: sure quarterback of the future, Chiefs leap frog him, huge,

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Speaker 1: huge jump. They get Pat Mahomes at ten, and it

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Speaker 1: worked out okay for the Saints. They got Marshawn Latimore

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Speaker 1: there at eleven. But you cannot sit back and wait

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Speaker 1: for your quarterback to fall to you. You need to

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Speaker 1: be aggressive, go get your guy if he is your guy.

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Speaker 1: I'm so fascinated by this and by this conversation, mainly

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Speaker 1: because of Lamar Jackson, which we're sitting here saying he

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Speaker 1: might not last till twelve. And then you can look

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Speaker 1: at a boatload of information on the Internet that tells

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Speaker 1: you he'll prest mock draft round. Where's in your mock

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Speaker 1: draft fifteen to Arizona. But I don't predict any trades. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: fall as late as like twenty seven. Yeah, and so

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Speaker 1: for three first round picks, I might roll the dice.

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Speaker 1: I would do it. Yeah, But like I said, I

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Speaker 1: think you need to prepare to package two threes to

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Speaker 1: move up three or four spots or something. I got

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Speaker 1: you Oakland Gruden, here you go, get in there, John.

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Speaker 1: gonna be there. You go right there. Those are just

634
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Speaker 1: scouting reports on guys. Dan, just promise me you won't

635
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: lose sleep if you you know, if there isn't a

636
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Speaker 1: tidbit about like why this guy got his name and

637
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: like his nickname, and like what year it happened, like,

638
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: it'll be better than that. It'll be okay. You know

639
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Speaker 1: this is I literally work on this three hundred and

640
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Speaker 1: sixty five days a year. So if i'll like it

641
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: happened last year, where I finished it, sent it out,

642
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Speaker 1: and I'm cleaning up my office and I found a

643
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Speaker 1: post it note about exactly what you're talking about, Like

644
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: this guy's nickname was this, and I was like, oh no,

645
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: damn it, I forgot to add this, like I just

646
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: that kills me because my favorite Seials, Captain Runch, got

647
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: into Scotting Report. Yeah, well, I'll tell you what though,

648
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: that's what you need to get though the Star magazine.

649
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: Dame Bruger's part of the Star magazine coverage as well. Yeah,

650
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: that's our preview. Goodies in there, some goodies for you,

651
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: and then again the Beast. That link will be on

652
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: his Twitter page. It'll be the best way to find

653
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: easy to order band it like I do. You can't

654
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Speaker 1: take it to Kinko's fed Exos people, they'll put it

655
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,719
Speaker 1: together for you. But it's so worth to have everything

656
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Speaker 1: you want to know to get you ready for those

657
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: three days here in the irving as we get ready,

658
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: all right, David Hellman, give me a little twitter on

659
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: the Twitter. Thank you very much. Let's do it. Let's

660
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: cover some current news inside this team, okay, and how

661
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: it pertains the Cowboys draft, you know, as as I

662
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: think it's out there Cowboys are hosting some free agents

663
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: this week. They're getting involved in the cheaper aspect of

664
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Speaker 1: free agency. A couple veteran linemen, a couple of veteran receivers,

665
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Speaker 1: I think making their way through here at our point

666
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: this week. So Daniel wants to know would a veteran

667
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: offensive line signing eliminate offensive lineman as a need at

668
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: eighteen I'm trying it to ninth nineteen um. And we

669
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: got the Patriots guy whose name escapes me right now, Flemming,

670
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: Thank you Fleming, and then Marcus Martin from Bright. Those

671
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: are a couple of guys that I've looked at myself already.

672
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: My question real quick on Fleming, Patriots lost Nates Soldier. Yeah,

673
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: he's got a forty one year old quarterback. Yeah, Fleming,

674
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,479
Speaker 1: is that good? How are the Patriots letting them walk

675
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: out to walk him out the door? Solder? I get

676
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: he got a lot of money, yeah, but how are

677
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: you letting I think they want this guy? Yeah, I

678
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: think they want this guy back. I do if they

679
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: want him back that badly building. But I think it's

680
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: a situation where they're gonna it'll probably be okay, go

681
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: get offers and then come back, they come back to us,

682
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: and the Patriots have a weird way of doing that.

683
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: They get guys to they get shopped offers, and so

684
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: you got to if if it works, it works. If not,

685
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: I mean they'll let guys go. But yeah, I I

686
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Speaker 1: don't think it. I don't think it takes him out

687
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Speaker 1: of that mix. I really really don't don't either. I mean,

688
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Speaker 1: I to me, we've kind of heard that, you know,

689
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: the thirty visits will tell us a lot. You know,

690
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: that'd be I've checked on that. Would that would be.

691
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: We're probably two weeks away from those starting here, and

692
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Speaker 1: I think that'll tell you from what I understand, Hernandez

693
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Speaker 1: is one of the visits that they brought in. So

694
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Speaker 1: with that, you know, maybe it's a situation where they

695
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Speaker 1: signed one of these guys and still visit Hernandez. You know,

696
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: we've seen that from this team in the past, where

697
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: they've signed a running back and then all of a

698
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: sudden they draft Ezekiel Elliott. So I don't think this

699
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: keeps the Cowboys out of We thought Colton Miller too.

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00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: You and I were talking in pre show Coulton Miller

701
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Speaker 1: or hearing rumors that he's one of the thirty visit

702
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: guys for the Cowboy. That's a tackle right there. So

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00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: I think it's about looking at, you know, what's available

704
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Speaker 1: on free agency and what can help us in this draft.

705
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 1: I don't think that stops him at all. Let's fold

706
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: this over on itself, because that's another thing. I mean,

707
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Speaker 1: with these veteran lineman coming in, you know, word going

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00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: around that the Cowboys would at least consider signing a

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Speaker 1: starting right tackle and moving Lyle Collins back to left guard.

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00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 1: So Tom's asking about that, and really, I mean it's

711
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: a question that I have too, because that kind of

712
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: changes how you view this whole puzzle if that's something

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Speaker 1: they're actually talking about, which and on it. Like, for

714
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: my part, I don't even know what to make of it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you could try to make switches

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Speaker 1: like that before you even have a guy on the

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00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 1: roster who can do that job. Also, Fleming, I think

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Speaker 1: has twenty starts over the last five years, which that

719
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Speaker 1: watched him. I watched him in preseason, I watched Martin

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Speaker 1: in preseason. Fleming I watched play the Super Bowl and

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Speaker 1: a playoff game and against the Steelers during the year

722
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Speaker 1: he was at right tackle at right tackle. How'd that go?

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Speaker 1: You know what? Against Philip Dolphyeah, I was good that.

724
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Speaker 1: It's encouraging to see that he had some good snaps

725
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Speaker 1: against him, because that's a team you played twice a

726
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: year if he has to play. But I the guy

727
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Speaker 1: I liked. I liked Martin at guard. I mean Fleming

728
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Speaker 1: to me is I think Fleming is a for three

729
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: hundred and over twenty pounds. I think he's a good athlete,

730
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Speaker 1: but I saw him at I mean positionally feet and

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00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: hands and body balance and stuff kind of a little

732
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: bit everywhere, but he's such a good athlete that he

733
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: can recover when things go back. I mean I saw

734
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Speaker 1: some guys getting the edge on him a little bit.

735
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: So if this team signs hyothetical they signed Martin, do

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Speaker 1: you think guard is still in play at nineteen Well,

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Speaker 1: I think he becomes the Joe Looney player. I think

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Speaker 1: Martin becomes the center guard Joe loo you sign which

739
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: And that's kind of the same thing with Fleming. I mean,

740
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: until until I'm told otherwise anything's possible, And they have

741
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Speaker 1: their personnel meetings and decide to move all back to

742
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: the left guard, which I don't like. That, but until

743
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Speaker 1: I'm told otherwise, I would assume either one of these

744
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: signings would be guys that you're signing to fill the

745
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 1: role of departed free agents. I get Looney and Byron Bell. Yes,

746
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: and honestly, he's trying to upgrade those spots, and even

747
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 1: Jonathan Cooper to a to a point, yeah, Fleming sounds

748
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Speaker 1: like just based on his resume, sounds like a massive

749
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Speaker 1: upgrade over what they had, Oh, no doubt. Yeah, And

750
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Speaker 1: I mean you could play with this, which was no

751
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: question you could even if you took like I would

752
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: be willing to drastically overpay him to be my swing

753
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: tackle if it meant that. I felt, if you if

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Speaker 1: you don't like, if you don't like Chaz Green and

755
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: you don't want to do anything, and you draft yes

756
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: and Tyron Smith and Tyron Smith at the back. I mean,

757
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: now again, I watched Fleming play right tackle onely, he's

758
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 1: made some starts of left tackle. I've only saw him

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00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 1: play but in the game, in the big time games,

760
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, the playoff game against Jacksonville, much better

761
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: against power being Pittsburgh than he was Speed Jacksonville and Philly.

762
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: But so that's what I'm just saying. And to go

763
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: back to Dane's point or Dane's question, if you make

764
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: that signing of Martin or In whatever, just put in

765
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: a veteran guard there. You're thinking of that more as

766
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,760
Speaker 1: your depth swing interior lineman, leaving you open to drafting

767
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 1: your starter sure somewhere in the draft. I don't disagree

768
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: with that. I don't disagree. I just think that you

769
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Speaker 1: got to look at it. This is a chain. Dane's

770
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: not buying it. I mean, skeptical look on Dan's face.

771
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Speaker 1: Give me a starting guard, I mean they're not. You

772
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,919
Speaker 1: can find a cable starting guard for Oh, I don't

773
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: think I think Martin can start. I personally think Martin

774
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Speaker 1: could start. I do so. But you still think there's

775
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Speaker 1: an option of guard at nineteen. I think that if

776
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: you said, if you said, okay, if they're looking at

777
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Speaker 1: him just at the question, was was he they looking

778
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 1: at him just as that swing player. Yeah, I mean

779
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 1: he did. But I just going a little deeper. I

780
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Speaker 1: my notes. I wrote down, I wrote down original ron Leary.

781
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm talking about the big Ron Leary, not

782
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Speaker 1: the slim down ron Leary, the one that remains. I'm

783
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: talking about a big guy that's physical, that's got some

784
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: upper body strength. You know, ron Leary wasn't always great

785
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: getting to the second level and you know all that.

786
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: But this guy he's got he's got some ron Leary

787
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: traits to him. From what I saw, I would just

788
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: love I'm with Dane in this. I mean, and they

789
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: need they need a swing guy too, but I would

790
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: love to just get that need out of the way. Well,

791
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: if they might, they might draft, they might draft again.

792
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: I think Dane's gonna be right. They they probably won't

793
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: take a guard at nineteen. They probably won't if they

794
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: signed Martin they I don't know if they will. Along

795
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: the same line, Like I said, there's a couple of

796
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: veteran receivers come gard. I think Sean wants to know.

797
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: Would signing a veteran receiver kill the dream of taking

798
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: a receiver early? Not not with the Wednes. That's why

799
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Speaker 1: I I think Justin Hunters one of them. Yeah, out

800
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Speaker 1: of here, Justin Hunter's we're talking about maybe a fourth receiver.

801
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 1: We're talking about like vet minimum signings too, like not, Yeah,

802
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: don't there was a time when Justin Hunter I thought

803
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 1: it was gonna be the next aj Green Tennessee kid.

804
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: Right at Tennessee, he looked like, recruited him, coached him,

805
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 1: he looked like the next day J Green, and then

806
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: towards acl Mesta, he hasn't looked the same since, hasn't

807
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: done anything, uh, since he was a second round pick

808
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 1: because the Titans way back when. So yeah, that's you're

809
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: trying to replace Bryce Butler with those picks exactly. Yeah,

810
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah, all right, we'll wrap up the last

811
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Speaker 1: of this like current events, um with a question from

812
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Speaker 1: d Davis, which, Okay, I haven't seen this from any

813
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: credible source. I think it's just fans speculation. You correct

814
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, But he wants to know, would

815
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: you take the colts thirty sixth overall pick for David Irving.

816
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: Seems like there's a lot of speculations out there, bad

817
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: Eber coordinator. Yeah. Yeah, And the Colts now have two

818
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: second round picks, which I think I read if they

819
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: were to do that deal, they would have to surrender

820
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: their air own, Yes, their own, and Chris Ballard was

821
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: in CASEC when Irving was originally on that roster on

822
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: the practice squad, but which okay, hey, I'm there's a

823
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: lot of links that make this makes sense. But have

824
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: you heard it from anything credible other than this makes sense? No? Either,

825
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: have I what kind of messes that up is? I

826
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: think Chris is really focused on the draft. Yeah, I

827
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: don't think he's looking too because they got out some

828
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: money to spend and they've barely spent any dollars. Yeah,

829
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Speaker 1: so they they've looked at somebody's price tags and said, well,

830
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: we'll go wholesale, not retail. We'll go build through the draft.

831
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Speaker 1: We'll get these draft picks, and next year we'll we'll

832
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: see you. I mean, we'll save up some money, maybe

833
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: resign some of our own guys. I mean, I think

834
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: Chris is doing it the right way. He's not just

835
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: throwing money out there and seeing what happened. So I

836
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: would be surprised if we saw anything happen with Irving,

837
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Speaker 1: especially with the Colts. Who knows? Are the Cowboys doing

838
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 1: it the right way? What do you mean with the

839
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: way they're handling free agency? And it's hard to say

840
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 1: that when they're literally the only team that has not

841
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: signed a player from the outside. But no, but you

842
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: praise Balor for what his his because they're not in

843
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: a Colts aren't winning this year. You know, he's not

844
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: trying to put a band aid on some holes and

845
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: trying to mean trying to build something. They're in a

846
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: pretty different phase of their roster building. It seems right

847
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 1: Cowboys are willing to there there they need to shoot

848
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: with with seventy million dollars, shouldn't he be trying to

849
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: rebuild his roster then for the right price tag? Yeah,

850
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: it's it's the same philosophy applied to a different situation. Obviously,

851
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: the Colts have a lot more money. I think. You know,

852
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: the conclusion I've come to is like building through the

853
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 1: draft and doing it that way is overall the right strategy.

854
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: But you're not going to get where you want to

855
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 1: go without bringing in some outside help, I don't think.

856
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, the Colts are in a different spot where,

857
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: like I think it's probably understood that the Colts aren't

858
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: expect to contend for at least a year or two,

859
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: and so that's not something they need to be doing

860
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: right now. Where if the Cowboys were bad, we would

861
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: be if the Cowboys just drafting guys, If the Cowboys

862
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: were bad, they would have tens of million dollars more

863
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: in cap space and probably a lot more draft picks

864
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: or higher draft picks to work with. Like you look

865
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: at the Jets, that's a desperate team. The amount of

866
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: money they gave Tremaine Johnson. I mean, Tremaine Johnson's a

867
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: nice player, but they gave him a lot of money

868
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: because they're desperate and they have some money to spend,

869
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: so they're going to try and win right now. Indianapolis

870
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: doesn't need to do that. They need to build for

871
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: the future. And I mean, I get some of the fans,

872
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: Indie fans, being upset because they haven't spent a lot

873
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 1: of the money, but I mean, I don't know, it's

874
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 1: hard to get too upset when I think they're just

875
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: trying to build for the future, not necessarily, you know,

876
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: plug a few holes when they're not going to win

877
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: next year. Plus they had to factor in Luck is

878
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: kind of holding that franchise hostage right now. And not

879
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 1: Luck specifically, but his injury, his arm injury, it's the shoulder,

880
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: it's you just don't know. But the fact that they've

881
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: unknown there, the fact that the Cults are willing to

882
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: trade out of a top three pick tells you they

883
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: must at least feel optimistic about him. Oh yeah, and

884
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: I think they do, but I don't. You can't go

885
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: all in for this year, yeah, you know, no without

886
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: knowing for sure Luck what's going on with him, and

887
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: then the state of your roster. But yeah, I think

888
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: the cults are gonna be interesting because I don't think

889
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: they want to move back, but they're going to be

890
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: open to and it's gonna be pretty enticing if they

891
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: get some more offers. But I think they'll be perfectly

892
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: fine sticking at six and taking Quentin Nelsen. Yeah, if

893
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: Chubb gets there, they'll be fine taking a guy there. Spencer,

894
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,720
Speaker 1: going back to what we were just talking about, Spencer says,

895
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: just whatever, pick a name, it doesn't matter for this exercise.

896
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: But just assuming the Cowboys address their offensive line in

897
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: a satisfactory manner over the next few weeks, would that

898
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: make you more or less likely to trade up? And

899
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: I think his logic is that if you do that,

900
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: with the exception of wide receiver, I guess the vast

901
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: majority of your needs are on defense. So does that

902
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: make you more likely to use draft capital to go

903
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: get a defender that you really feel good about or

904
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: trade away from it? If there's not a guy that

905
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: fits at nineteen. I guess I recently did a mock

906
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: draft just posted on Twitter today, and the top defensive

907
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: players available at nineteen in this scenario Tavin Bryan Florida

908
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: three technique, Layton vander Esch linebacker. Both those players went

909
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: twenty and twenty one his mock, Marcus Davenport with twenty three,

910
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: Harold Landry, Mike used or On Pain. So those are

911
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: the defensive players that would just available be available in

912
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: this scenario. I don't know if anyone necessarily sticks out

913
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: as yeah, we should stay and get that guy. I

914
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: don't know if who would you wind up picking for Dallas.

915
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley? Yeah, I think I feel better about Calvin

916
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 1: Ridley than any of the guys you just named off.

917
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: You want to go? Where did you pick? Roquan Smith

918
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: thirteen Redskins? We're We're back. No, I'm back on this. No,

919
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just thinking Derwin James. You have him,

920
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: Sampa seven, Tampa Minka went nine to the San Francisco

921
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: Can I ask a quick question about him? Which one?

922
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: Mika Minka? What do you got? Is he really sliding?

923
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: Is he gonna slide? I don't know. No, he's not sliding.

924
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: Dane Burglar told me a couple of weeks ago to

925
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 1: mark it down that he was going forward to the Browns.

926
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: So wow, he's sliding. Dan, No, I don't think he's sliding.

927
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: It's he's a top ten pick. I mean, I don't

928
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: think he's a top five lock. Where's the top ten pick?

929
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: So I don't If he goes nine doesn't mean sliding.

930
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 1: And we get so, well, we thought he was a

931
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: top four pick, didn't we Just because we had n't

932
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: going forward doesn't mean oh, definitely going top four. Yeah,

933
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: I mean we get so like locked in this, like

934
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 1: we had Minka going forward was a staple in mock drafts.

935
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: Oh sure it was. And then all of a sudd

936
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,720
Speaker 1: and when he doesn't go forward, it's like, oh gosh,

937
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: he's falling. No, No, I'm just asking, No, I know,

938
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 1: I get that a lot, how Minka is falling. You're

939
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: being kind of combative today. I feel like it's Monday falling.

940
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: Okay because along the top five. No. But the funny

941
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: thing this happens too, where like we in the media

942
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: go away from a guy and in the league like

943
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: their opinion never changed. So all of a sudden, the

944
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,959
Speaker 1: media catches up to what the teams have already learned.

945
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,760
Speaker 1: But I feel like a lot of times the media

946
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: will spend it even further forward than that, and all

947
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: of a sudden, a guy they're projecting to go at

948
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: twelve goes at five, and everybody's like, oh, that's so surprising,

949
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: when it really it's not at all. No, it's not

950
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: surprising at all. People get so a little over the

951
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: top of some of these. You know, if a player

952
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 1: we had projected going top five falls to eight or nine,

953
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: doesn't mean he's falling. It's just there wasn't a natural

954
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: fit at five, six or seven, you know. I mean,

955
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 1: it's just Quentin Nelson. You know, he could fall to eleven.

956
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: That's a really good point. Like wait, I mean we've

957
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: the very first show we did in January was like,

958
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: that's he's the best prospect in the draft. He's gonna

959
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: be on the cover of your book. It's not absolutely

960
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: he can fall all the way to like twelve, yeah,

961
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: and it's you know what could happen. So since Leonard

962
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: Williams fell to five, yeah, six, about six exactly? All right,

963
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: let's we gotta take we gotta take a quick breakcare

964
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: and thank you everybody on Twitter. We appreciate that take

965
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Speaker 1: Morgan Studios. Brian brought us a very frazzled Dane Brugler. Frazzled,

1009
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 1: I am hey, okay, I'm frazzled. All right, we're good.

1010
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: I'm worried about you man. A little bit story about

1011
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,479
Speaker 1: you've just been throwing grenades at him for the last hour.

1012
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: Oh no, he's tough. It gets tough. He handled that.

1013
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: He could surely hang on the handle. That okay. David

1014
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: Hillman Kent Garrison as well. David, let's called blue. Will

1015
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: tell me more if we could. I did this one

1016
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 1: just for you, Brian. Thank you because I listened to

1017
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: you and I respect your opinion. And you haven't shut

1018
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: up about this guy. So I want you to tell

1019
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: me more about Memphis linebacker Jennard Avery. Jenard Avery, do

1020
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: you want to talk about him a little bit yourself?

1021
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: Like you're a guy, This says, the guy won't shut

1022
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: up about So I love I love this guy. Hold on,

1023
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: I gotta get my notes all pulled up. Leave Dan alone.

1024
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: And by the way, his first name Jennard, Jennard Avious,

1025
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: Genard Avious. Yes, he's a flyer Avius related to my

1026
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,919
Speaker 1: guy Mingo at a lsu or Jennard Avious and Barkivius.

1027
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: This guy's a six foot two hundred and forty eight

1028
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: pound missile. This guy is four or five nine on

1029
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: the speed. By the way, not bad run a little bit, ya.

1030
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: I'm looking for those guys. I'm looking for guys to

1031
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: have got again just over six foot two hundred and

1032
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: forty eight pounds. Like I said, I'm looking like guys

1033
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: that will step up, take on blocks, be physical, play

1034
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: the point of attack. This guy's a violent tackler. I

1035
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: saw that. I mean, at times a little bit too

1036
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: aggress if at times an overrun some plays. But yeah,

1037
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what you know. The guy plays with

1038
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: some balance. I thought he could work through the trash.

1039
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: He works against double teams. He could split those and

1040
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: do all right. He's quick to read plays, he could

1041
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: get outside in a hurry. He never gives up on

1042
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: a play. I just see a relentless player. I mean,

1043
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: I like how he comes back. If he goes up

1044
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: to field the balls there, he comes back, makes the play,

1045
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: retraces his steps close down on the edge. This this guy.

1046
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: There's a lot to like about this guy. And they

1047
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: use him though as a rusher. I mean that's his

1048
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: big thing though. He is a guy that they take

1049
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: off the edge and he can get low and dip

1050
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: and get around the corner and cause some problems in

1051
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 1: the pocket games. I watch Central Xtreme Connecticut, Tulane sim

1052
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: in Central Florida with the games, I took a peek

1053
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: at this kid. I'm just not sure where you're gonna

1054
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: play him. I mean, maybe he's just a MIC linebacker,

1055
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: don't I don't see that at all, because he can't cover,

1056
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: and he can't he's a downhill only player. Well you

1057
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: know what though, That's what I'm saying though, when you

1058
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: you don't and as as mike linebacker, they could take him.

1059
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: I mean they could use him. They're using Jalen Smith

1060
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: as a rusher. Now, Jalen Smith is going to end

1061
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: up being a MIC linebacker rusher. Let me tell you that.

1062
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: If you're gonna use this guy as a strictly a rusher,

1063
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: I'm okay. With that, not strictly as a rusher. I'm

1064
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: talking about a point of attack player that's physical that

1065
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: he play sideline the sideline there. Yeah, if you're gonna

1066
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: use him strictly only going downhill, you might have something there.

1067
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: But what's your draft grade on him? I got him

1068
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: the third round, Okay, so so I'm getting him at

1069
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: eighty one for me is for him. He sounds like

1070
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: he's gonna go. Well, I meant at all eighty one. Overall,

1071
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 1: that's not the steepest price in the world to pay

1072
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: for an early down linebacker, Like if you got to

1073
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: take him off the field in obvious passing situations. I

1074
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 1: mean third, he's pick eighty one, He's not picked nineteen.

1075
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: See the thing about it is though he has not

1076
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: seen any film with him cover. That's why he's making

1077
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: the adjustment thing. Oh sure, no, nor your analysis was

1078
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: he can't cover, but he plays as a rush. He

1079
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: gets I've seen him getting throwing lanes and see him

1080
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: tip balls. I mean what started wanted him to do.

1081
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: That's not he said. But for seven years a year

1082
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: he started a week side linebacker. They use him as

1083
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 1: a rush. They use him as a rusher because he

1084
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: can affect the pocket. You haven't seen him cover? Say that, No,

1085
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: the second half of the year he played as a

1086
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: pass rusher. The first half of the year he plays

1087
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: a week side linebacker. I've seen him cover plenty. He

1088
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: not just not very that's not his forte. He can rush,

1089
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: he can get after the quarterback. He's at his best

1090
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: when he's going downhill. He's very aggressive, sometimes over aggressive.

1091
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: Like you said, Yeah, I just if I'm going to

1092
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: take a player in the top one hundred, I need

1093
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: a guy that I feel more comfortable staying on the

1094
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: field in any down situation. And with him, I don't

1095
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: feel that I see. To me, he's more of a

1096
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 1: nickel player, a sub package guy. I don't know. I

1097
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: just I finding the exact position for him is my

1098
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:56,280
Speaker 1: biggest struggle with this guy. The Cowboys like the Cowboys

1099
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 1: creativity with legendary so I mean, I'm sure they get

1100
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: true hear it out. Yeah, um, let's stick at linebacker

1101
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: right here. I got one for you, Clemson's Dorian O'Daniel.

1102
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: There's a guy. Tell me about that guy. That's another

1103
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: guy where you kind of you picked all the guys.

1104
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: Everybody's going, oh, hey, what does he some people of

1105
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: some people say the film has gotten bad. I never

1106
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,959
Speaker 1: saw a great film on him. No, but he didn't

1107
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: have terrible film either. You know, he's but he's kind

1108
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 1: of a safety. He's an overhang linebacker. Another guy where

1109
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 1: where you're gonna play him you kind of have to

1110
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: specialized position for him because he's he's not a true

1111
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: linebacker and he's not a true safety. He's kind of

1112
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: a hybrid in the middle. And you can use those

1113
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: types of guys, sure, but again you have to have

1114
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: a plan for how you're going to use him. Uh

1115
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: Nickel's safety. I mean, that's why I put him my Yeah, No,

1116
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: I agree with you there. He's because he doesn't have

1117
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: the ideal measurements that you want, right have the ideal speed.

1118
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: He's a little bit of a tweener. And again, you

1119
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: can use those types of guys, but you have to

1120
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: have a specific plan in place for how he's gonna

1121
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: fit your defense. That scares me more than it. Like

1122
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: when you tell me that about a guy, I'm just like, ah, well,

1123
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,439
Speaker 1: they're not gonna I mean he's basically a box safety. Yeah,

1124
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: that's basically what he is. And I said the last line,

1125
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: I think you don't want him carrying receivers down the field. No,

1126
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: that's that you know. Now you talk about somebody they

1127
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,760
Speaker 1: can't cover. Yeah, Oran O'Daniel can't cover, and he covered.

1128
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: I think he covers like a box safety. One of

1129
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: my one of my favorite names in this draft for sure,

1130
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 1: though it's just fun to say, rolls off the tongue. Um.

1131
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: Everybody knows about the NC State defensive line. They got

1132
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: a couple of good guys on there, but one guy

1133
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 1: I don't remember talking about is defensive tackle Justin Jones. Yep.

1134
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: And it's easy to overlook some of those. Yeah, there's

1135
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: like they're, uh, yeah, they don't have talent anywhere else.

1136
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: All four of their defensive linement are gonna get drafted. Um, yeah,

1137
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 1: Justin Jones is probably the if you're gonna talk about

1138
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: the four, Cantavius Street, Bradley Chub, B. J Hill, Justin

1139
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: Jones is probably the least talented of the four. But

1140
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 1: that's not I mean, that's not a knock against him.

1141
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 1: It's just those other guys are three really talented guys

1142
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 1: that are probably drafted in top five rounds. Yeah, Bradley Chubb,

1143
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: top five, BJ Hill to me's a top one hundred

1144
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: pick and I than Cantavious Street, probably in a top

1145
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: five mix, top five round mix. Justin Jones probably more

1146
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: of a later round guy. But in my notes, get

1147
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: off handwork, uh struggles to disengage or win to the

1148
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: point of attack you can too easily neutralize by interior threats.

1149
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: Yea loves to play the bully role. Um. He can

1150
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: provide depth on an NFL roster as a block eater,

1151
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: so I think he can help. But he's more of

1152
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: a rotation guy, not so much. You're gonna step in

1153
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: expect to be a starter early on. I agree. That

1154
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 1: sounds like more what they need. In my opinion, I

1155
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: canna live with that. Yeah, no, you will. What's this,

1156
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: uh the m of this team and drafting your one

1157
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: technique tique? You're yeah, late in the draft, so six

1158
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: seventh round. Yeah, hey you never know. Hey, maybe you

1159
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 1: get a lucky and find a bo Allen. There you go?

1160
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: How about that like the Eagles? Yeah, sure did, I've

1161
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: actually watched this guy, but I still want you to

1162
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: tell me more about Vanderish. No, well, we need to

1163
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: do a whole segment on him. Yeah, that would be Yeah,

1164
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: usc wide receiver Deonte Burnett slot player right day. Yeah,

1165
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: and give him credit. He was really productive this year. Um.

1166
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold said it. As much as we talked about

1167
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: Sam Donald having an off year, He's the only USC

1168
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: quarterback to ever throw for four thousand yards and he

1169
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: did that this year. So not bad. Deonte Burnette was

1170
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: a big part of that. He had almost thirteen hundred

1171
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 1: yards receiving. He's a smallish guy and he plays small.

1172
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: I mean he he'll make some Yeah, he'll make some

1173
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: highlight reel catches, you know him do some impressive things.

1174
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: But for the most part, he's a smallest receiver. Uh,

1175
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: he's got some reliability issues, focus issues. But out of

1176
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: the slot, you know, he's your mid round not he

1177
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: might not go top one hundred, but maybe four round

1178
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: slot option. He's used a lot on screens, is what

1179
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: I saw. He can he can break some tackles for

1180
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 1: a small guy, which is a little bit surprising. But

1181
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 1: I think the thing about him, the most important thing

1182
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 1: is like the slot stuff, he knows how to find space,

1183
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: he knows how to get open that way. But I

1184
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: think that he you know, he doesn't deal with much

1185
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: press coverage too, so I never really saw him having

1186
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: to deal with how to you know, you know, but

1187
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: his size again at five eleven, one seventy, that's going

1188
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: to limit some of the stuff. What he's gonna do. Yeah,

1189
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 1: he's the underneath player only. Yeah, got another show after this.

1190
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,479
Speaker 1: We gotta get to Oh that's true. Well, we gotta

1191
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: we want to piece out. I got one more piece out,

1192
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: all right, we'll save it, save it for the next day.

1193
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: That's fine. Yeah, we've got a show coming up here

1194
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: next with Shannon and Nate and uh, Kurt Daniels and

1195
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: those guys. They're coming up next here. Stay tuned on us,

1196
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: So stay tuned for that. Uh for my buddies, Uh,

1197
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: Dane Burgler, David Hellman, Kent Garrison. Thank you guys so

1198
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: much for joining the Draft show. We'll be back eleven

1199
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: a him next Thursday with more coverage. Make sure you

1200
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: guys keep watching that tape. We'll see you then.