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Speaker 1: So there's something. So there is some connection, but she

424
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: was I'm born there, it's not from there, um. And

425
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: I think that this just raises the question of, like

426
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: the falsehood that is Latini, that the right that we

427
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: continue to challenge and question um that we well, not us,

428
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: but well, I mean as a whole right, as a culture,

429
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: as a society, that we continue to put these Spaniards

430
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: in positions of as gatekeepers, are not even gatekeepers as

431
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: representations of Latini. That you know, raises the question of,

432
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: like we continue to do this and at the same

433
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: time deny black Latinos after Latinos exist, right, And so

434
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: it's just this like constant tension of like white supremacy

435
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: in Latini. That yeah, there's so much to it because

436
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: like people are very happy to embrace a white woman

437
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: as Latina, like very open arms. I was listening to

438
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: like I wanted to listen to um like an Olivia

439
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: Newton John like Spotify like moment like, I was like,

440
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: give me all of the ballads. And then I think

441
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: I'm so pretty from West Side Story comes on, and

442
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: of course Natalie Wood plays a Puerto Rican girl Maria,

443
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: and I hadn't seen West Side Story in such a

444
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: long time. But then I Feel Pretty comes on and

445
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: Natalie Wood is singing in the most horrific Spanish pretend

446
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: accent I have ever heard in my life, and it

447
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: was jarring because I forgot or I guess I hadn't

448
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: noticed before, but it was like, no, this has been

449
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: going on for some time now. That whole cast did

450
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: brown face, with the exception of Moreno you know, yeah,

451
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: it is very cringe e. And I want to go

452
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: back to what you said, mala um Latinos right, the

453
00:30:55,320 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: Latin community really embracing uh these alleged why people that

454
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: are performing Latina or actual white Latinos right. And I

455
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: want to give um Anya Taylor Joy as an example.

456
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: She was shout out the Queen's gampit lovely actress. Loved

457
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: her performance. But what I noticed is that as as

458
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: soon as um It came out that I don't know

459
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: if she was born in at Hndena, if she has

460
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: Argentine ancestry. I'm not not sure what her ancestry or

461
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: DNA is obviously, but I saw the quickly Latinos were

462
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: claiming her, you know. And what's the common thread, Yeah,

463
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: the whiteness, the whiteness. And another white one is Roussalia,

464
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: who a lot of people have been talking about her esthetics,

465
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: but also of course her foray and and her her

466
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: being very much embraced in the music industry and in

467
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: you know, Latin let's you know, Latin American Latin X

468
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: arts and entertainment that has been interesting to behold. At

469
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: the same time, I like her Flamenco stuff, you know

470
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, I like her Flamenco stuff. But

471
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: she is capitalizing on, like, you know, these factors and

472
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: dynamics that we just talked about, especially with regards to because,

473
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: as has been pointed out by folks like, can we

474
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: name the black women who are being put on the

475
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: way Rossalia is being put on? No, we can't at

476
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: this point. And this is where the problem is because

477
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: if they're in a black genre, if there were a

478
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: ton of black women and black artists who were being

479
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: celebrated and put on and get you know, getting deals

480
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: and records and tours and publicity. Rosalia popped onto the scene.

481
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: That would be a different story. But there's an imbalance.

482
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: It wouldn't matter that there's one, right, because there's these

483
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: other black artists that pioneered the genre. I wouldn't matter

484
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: if there was one, right, But no, it's it's the

485
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: j bond Beans, the Bad Funny, it's all of them.

486
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: They're all white, right, And I think like it also

487
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: goes to show that even the I mean the white

488
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: Latinos are the weakest link because they've all collabed with her,

489
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: and I can't name, like any black women that they've

490
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: collabed with. Don't quote me. I may be wrong, but

491
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: I can assume, like, I mean, Bad Bunny had Rosalia

492
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: on SNL with him, which is a huge platform, right,

493
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: And so it just who are we giving the air

494
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: time to write? Who are we giving the all of that?

495
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: I'm losing my momentum. But you get me, truly, and

496
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: and you know, like is right there, Absolutely, there's a

497
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: ton is right there. There's many, There's many, you know,

498
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: Ma Lucca is right there. Ba is right there. Yes,

499
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: there are a lot, There are a lot. Yeah, truly,

500
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: um Rico nasty is Prican. You know all this to say,

501
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: you know, these people are in, are engaging in, or

502
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 1: have engaged in some type of fake tina or black

503
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: fishing combo behavior in one way or another. Right, We've

504
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: talked about American Dirt and Jeanine Cummins, but we think

505
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 1: that she's another example because part of the conversation about

506
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: her authoring a story like American Dirt set in Mexico,

507
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: this immigrant narrative was what's the connection to the story

508
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 1: and and all that, right, like on a macro level.

509
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: And so what came out was Janine having this sort

510
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: of mixed public history of identifying as a white woman

511
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: but then also being like, no, I'm Latin X because

512
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: my grandma was Puerto Rican, right. And we're also received

513
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: a six figure deal for American Dirt, a lot of money,

514
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: lots of money. We have a whole episode on that

515
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: will link that in the show notes. You can go

516
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: back and listen to that. But I mean, the point

517
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: is it's happening at all the levels industry wide. It

518
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: does not matter what industry you're a part of whether

519
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: that be academia, uh in the book industry, publishing industry,

520
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: music and television is happening at all the levels, and

521
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: I think that it will continue. We will continue to

522
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: see more stories of fake Tina's, especially because it's like

523
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: a weird phenomenon where Latinos latin X folks are having

524
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: a moment. But then you also see like studies that

525
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: say Netflix has it's severely under representing Latinos in comparison

526
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: to other people of color, right, And it's a very

527
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: layered conversation. Of course, because Latina that is not a race.

528
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: We know that. Um. So it's just this weird um

529
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: place to be in where Latinos are quote popular Caribbean

530
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: culture is like having a very big moment where non

531
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: Caribbean Latinos folks like from Colombia like Jay Baldwin and

532
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: Maluma Um will use Caribbean Herga will use Caribbean accents,

533
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: and so it's a it's a very um it's a

534
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: weird place to be in. And I want to reference

535
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: Gota because she has done extensive, extensive Twitter threats, She's

536
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: talked about it on her own podcast, so I want

537
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 1: to link her work and reference everyone or direct everyone

538
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 1: over there because she has been really pioneering and creating

539
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: the knowledge share about that. So head on over because

540
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: she can talk about that at great length. And one

541
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: example of somebody who's been doing this and getting a

542
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: lot of attention of both the negative and positive honestly

543
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: not Popluso, who is an Argentinean artist. Um, you've probably

544
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: seen her colors videos circulating hip on the hipp It

545
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: is so cringe e and it's weird that she gets

546
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: so much like she does get a lot of praise.

547
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: She gets a lot of praise, and she Grabbly nominated,

548
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: She's Grabby nominated, Latin Grammy nominated. She's literally doing brown face.

549
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: I would say she's also black fishing. Um, she's in

550
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: Argentina and Espana. She has a Spanish accent, puts on

551
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: a Caribbean accent, which is why it sounds so phony

552
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: and awkward. Someone on her team told her that she

553
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: can dance when she cannot, and it's just that is

554
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: like one of the biggest someone on her team, one

555
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: of the biggest sins is that someone was like, yes,

556
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: you're a great dancer, because she does a lot of it,

557
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: and she does her own choreography is what I like,

558
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: it seems like, and she does, and every time she

559
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: comes up on my timeline, I'm like both horrified and amazed,

560
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 1: like that this person has that big of a platform.

561
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: It's one of those things right where we see it

562
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 1: over and over and over again. It's very formulaic. Somebody

563
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:32,919
Speaker 1: does something weird, cringe, e, unlikable, bad, just downright bad,

564
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: and people won't millions of people will hate them into fame.

565
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: I mean, what's her face? Bad? Baby? That catch me outside?

566
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: How about right? You know, hated into in the same

567
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: and start them in millions. And I don't doubt that

568
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: there's a similar phenomenon here because I think her videos

569
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: over the past six months have been circulated so much

570
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: out and people not liking them. But the Internet and

571
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: the algorithm, the numbers and the analytics don't care what

572
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: people are saying, just that they're saying something and that

573
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 1: it's been scared. So when we drag and we give

574
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: like all this public hate, we're usually boosting. Honestly, after

575
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: that hip hip hop a song I forget, But that's

576
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: like the biggest take, that's like the biggest big you know,

577
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: which is the worst because it's so horrible. It had

578
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 1: like three or four million views, and I'm like, Mala,

579
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 1: our community is responsible for this because we were hating

580
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: it so much that we gave it three to four

581
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: million views. Yeah, it's very true. It's very true because

582
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 1: it's like, of course, on the one hand, we want

583
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: to go see so that we can then talk about it,

584
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,240
Speaker 1: because we do what we do, and we talk about things,

585
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: and we're podcasters and it's literally our job to discuss

586
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: things in the world, so we're going to investigate for

587
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: you all. But it also is like, that's the other

588
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: side of the coin, is do the stuff we actually like?

589
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: Are we watching that and sharing that and launching that

590
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: into into stardom or is it only the stuff we hate?

591
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: It's true watching they hate. Following is real, um, And

592
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: because I don't follow her, but when that she comes

593
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: up in my timeline, like she just did a SATA

594
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,280
Speaker 1: stack cover and oh my god, it was so cringe

595
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: e and I like watch part of it, you know,

596
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: because it's one of those things where it's like you

597
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 1: can't look away, but you don't want to watch it,

598
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: but you're still watching it. It's so true. It's so

599
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 1: true because it's like, Okay, what is she up to now?

600
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: Like what did she do? Now? Oh? My god? There

601
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: are more still still so uh Tina Basquez, who is

602
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: a prolific journalist in uh Prism and The Daily Co's,

603
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: wrote about a lawyer the National Lawyer's Guild first Latina

604
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 1: president allegedly turns out is actually a white woman who

605
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 1: has pretended to be Latina like her entire professional career

606
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: again um working in like Hispanic serving institutions, getting you know,

607
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: awards and holding titles that are supposed to be for

608
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: Latina as her name is Natasha Alicia or a Bannon

609
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: and uh I highly recommend checking out the article. This

610
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: is also another interesting one because again it begs the

611
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: question like how does the tarade go on for so long?

612
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: How does nobody no or say anything? But then I

613
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 1: also think, like in the moment, like what would one say?

614
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: Like what you know? It's just kind of been thinking

615
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: about like the question we've been asking, like how do

616
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: people keep this up? Like if we were to see

617
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 1: somebody in real like what would we do? What? What

618
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: would be? I don't even know? Well, speaking of what

619
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: would we do? We have received multiple d ms in

620
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: the past one of the past couple of weeks, right

621
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: from alleged Latinas in the wellness space, right women alleged

622
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: Latinas performing Latini da um in the tropiest ways for

623
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: lack of a better word, literally tropes of Latini da

624
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: um claiming that they were raised with the Latino culture

625
00:42:53,960 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: literally a quote. And that makes me say which one, right,

626
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: which Latino culture? Because all I see is a caricature

627
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: of what you think. So there will be people that

628
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: remain unnamed because we will not do a public call out, right,

629
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: but just know that if you are taking press resources

630
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: and are not a Latina and you're taking it away

631
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: from actual Latina's, like, that is very wrong, very fucked up,

632
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: not ethical. And I want to challenge this notion that

633
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: like it's not hot to be white or to be

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Speaker 1: whatever it is that you are, because, um, we can

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Speaker 1: look around everywhere the influencers space, arts and entertainment, media, scholarship, academia,

636
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: social justice, whatever the industry is, and I promise you

637
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: that white people are doing just fine. Like there is

638
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: no evidence to suggest that taking on a Latin X

639
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: or black persona is going to increase like your chances

640
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Speaker 1: of anything or improve your quality of life. What it

641
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: will do is, because you're a white person taking on

642
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: the identity, it will ensure that you probably have a

643
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: leg up in those spaces on actual people of color,

644
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: and it does guarantee that you are going to be

645
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: benefiting from something that you should not be benefiting from.

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Speaker 1: So it's like very weird because it's like they're taking

647
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: on an identity related to oppression in their mind and

648
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:51,439
Speaker 1: going into the more limited pool of resources to then

649
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: take advantage and benefit when in the large pool with

650
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: everyone involved, they would I don't know what they do

651
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: just line or are they mediocre to a point that

652
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Speaker 1: they feel they need to be in this you know

653
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: what I mean? They need to be in a smaller

654
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Speaker 1: pond almost so they were they subtract themselves from the

655
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: whiteness so that they can benefit over here in a

656
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: more like curated space. Does that make sense? It doesn't

657
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 1: make sense. It makes me question, like do white women

658
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: just want to be more oppressed, Like they want to

659
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: be more oppressed in the sense that they want to

660
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: take on this like other ethnicity or race in some case, right,

661
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Speaker 1: And that makes me think of this beauty influencer um

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Speaker 1: named Amanda and sing. I was following her for a

663
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: quick minute until she posted some pro Trump things like

664
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: literally on Christmas Day, and I was like, oh my god,

665
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: how am I following this girl? Unfollowed later to find

666
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: out like she had been doing some brown fishing, black

667
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: fishing as well. She was part Puerto Rican and she

668
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 1: had a conversation with another beauty influencer, a black woman,

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Speaker 1: Jackie Aina, and she told her allegedly right in this

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00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: Twitter thread that Jackie Ia shared that Amanda told Jackie

671
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 1: that she wasn't getting as she wasn't getting booked as

672
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: much in the beauty influencer makeup space because white women

673
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: weren't popular, right, And so I think that what you're

674
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: saying is right, that they are mediocre, And so they

675
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: take on this other label of identity of ethnicity, of

676
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: race um to somehow like stand out or they see

677
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 1: that maybe some ethnicity or identity is like quote thriving

678
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 1: right now, but don't actually have the lived experience as

679
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: said identity, right. That is, so I think you're right.

680
00:46:55,400 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: It's some wild stuff. It's some deep psych a logical

681
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:08,240
Speaker 1: weird ship. And again like okay, for example, we can

682
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: honor and claim our indigenous heritage, what have you. I'm

683
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: not going to apply or attempt to like be the

684
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 1: be you know, a whole public office for you know,

685
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: the Department of Indigenous Affairs what have you. Right, Like,

686
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 1: I'm not going to seek positions of power or influence

687
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: or moneys or resources that are designated for Native Americans

688
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: because I am not living that experience and I'm not

689
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: a Native American person, right, So and again, these women

690
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: are like not even doing that. They're taking on something

691
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: that is like completely and totally separate and apart from them,

692
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: that has nothing to do with them. And uh, if

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Speaker 1: folks have other fake Tina's that they have known of

694
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,919
Speaker 1: that they haven't heard of, we welcome you to tell

695
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: us about them. We're not going to like drag them,

696
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: but we want to know. We want to Yeah, yeah,

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00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: because I've definitely like kind of looked in horror at

698
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: some of the d m s that we've gotten, like, Wow,

699
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: these people someone that I had never seen before. But

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00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: when I went on their page, I was like, oh,

701
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: some of my mutuals are their mutuals, like you know,

702
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: and so then it just I don't know, it creates

703
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: this very weird bubble of like who is performative, who's authentic?

704
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: Who are leaders? I don't know. It just raises a

705
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: lot of questions. Just know, if you scroll back into

706
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: our timeline, you will see that we've been Latinas since

707
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: we were born. Okay, been Latinas. Okay, I've this is

708
00:48:55,360 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: not an act. I'm actually hashtag hashtag we live is

709
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 1: you have the emotional traumas improving. Um No, it's so true.

710
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:13,720
Speaker 1: It's so true. We should discuss that. There is also

711
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 1: okay because there's layers upon layers. How about non black

712
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: Latinas who are black fishing. That's within the conversation. We're

713
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 1: talking about fake tinas, we're talking about black fishing. They're

714
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: also um a group of Latinas who are like non

715
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: black Latinas who have also been called out for black fishing.

716
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 1: And I feel like this is mostly in the sort

717
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:43,760
Speaker 1: of like beauty space where maybe they're not makeup artists

718
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: per se, but they're like batties who are like posting

719
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: like selfies and like picks, you know, and there's this

720
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: like hyper sexualization. I think of black esthetics. And then

721
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: you have non black Latinas and you see the photos.

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00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: You know, there are so many at this point, I

723
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: can't Jenny six nine. So you can see over time

724
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: how like their features, their contour, the lip injections, the hair,

725
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: you know, the sewins, the bronzing, the black fishing, right,

726
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: you can see gradually over time how like they have

727
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 1: changed their look to look more and more and more

728
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: like a light skinned black girl when they did not

729
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: look like that before. And you bring up Jenny six

730
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: nine because Jenny six nine has also gotten in trouble

731
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: for wearing braids, and that has been another thing that

732
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: non black Latinas have been doing, is wearing braids in

733
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 1: their hair. That's the whole thing. Yeah, we can talk

734
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: about that because it's not cool. And then what ends

735
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: up happening is like folks will honestly have an adverse

736
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: reaction and for good reason. And what's amazing to me

737
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: is we once had a guest who shared, this person

738
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: is not black Latina. They shared once that they had

739
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: braids put in their hair and that they were out

740
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 1: and that a black woman like didn't like her braids

741
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: and had like a bad reaction to her braids. Right

742
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: like in person, she literally is literally what happened. She

743
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 1: literally pulled her from her box blades and threw her

744
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: onto the floor. And my thing is, I don't know

745
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: why non black women keep getting the braids put in

746
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 1: when I think it's been established by now that it's

747
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 1: like not a cool thing to do. So when we

748
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: heard when she told us a story, I think part

749
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: of us was like, why did you why did you

750
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: get the braid to begin with? Bro, Like, let's do better,

751
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: so you know, and we we kind of had a

752
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: conversation with her and and I think that it was

753
00:51:55,480 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: like a learning opportunity for everybody, but um, yeah, let's

754
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: not do that, you guys, Like, if you're thinking about it,

755
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: I would say, just don't Yeah, I agree, don't do it.

756
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: It's not good, like to do your basic research. Like

757
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: there's so many convos on the internet, Like it's kind

758
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: of an inexcusable at this point, Like you should know

759
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: better at at this point because I mean especially like

760
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: there are Alfhi Latinos in our community, in our space

761
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: and our homes and in our countries, and you know,

762
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,879
Speaker 1: like they're having these conversations. They've been having these conversations

763
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,800
Speaker 1: for many, many years now, So there's literally no reason

764
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: to not know better and to not search out that

765
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: information for yourself. Yeah, and you know, I think that

766
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:46,240
Speaker 1: there's a lot of different ways to be inspired by

767
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 1: the art of a culture, um and the creativity of

768
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: a culture. I think that different communities come up with

769
00:52:56,120 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: their own like types of expression. And so because we

770
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 1: live in multu multicultural societies, we we have all these

771
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: different influences. But there's a big difference between um, you know,

772
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 1: drawing inspiration and including bits and pieces in your work

773
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 1: or in your style and dawning like a costume. You know,

774
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: you can you can appreciate and even draw from in

775
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: different ways without like literally putting on black face brown face,

776
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 1: like it doesn't minstrelsy is it's very extreme. But like

777
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: what folks point out, what black folks point out, is

778
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: like these are examples of modern day minstrel cy. If you,

779
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: I think, if you truly respect the art and the craft,

780
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:50,720
Speaker 1: then I think that you don't want to disrespect like

781
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 1: the creators and the originators. You know, like if it's

782
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: if it's a true appreciation, then we have respect for

783
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 1: the people that made it. All that to say, um, yeah,

784
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: the fake Tina situation is messy. There will probably be more. Oh,

785
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: let us know what you guys, think of this conversation.

786
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: We want to hear from you comment d m U

787
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: s let us know. I mean, maybe there are people

788
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: that we miss, Maybe there are some fake tinas that

789
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 1: we didn't cover. I'm sure there are more. In fact,

790
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: I know there are more because we've seen others. But

791
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: this is just a little launch pad for us. I

792
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,439
Speaker 1: hope you liked this episode. We want to get back

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Speaker 1: into these more thematic look and so UM is very

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Speaker 1: much dedicated to that. So thank you for listening. Yes,

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna play a sneak peek for you of

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Speaker 1: I went to high school with the Laura. She's a

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820
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Speaker 1: handy for any job, Like it has come in handy

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Speaker 1: like I always had it in my back pocket, and

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Speaker 1: myself with my friends, I'm like, I don't know. It

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Speaker 1: you were ready. Like those opportunities don't come along every day,

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