Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Dick It Happened Here, a podcast about things
Speaker 2: falling apart and how to put them back together again.
Speaker 2: And I'm your host, Bia Wong. This is one of
Speaker 2: the most acute places where everything is falling apart and
Speaker 2: one of the most acute attempts to put it back
Speaker 2: together again. We're just going to get right into it
Speaker 2: with me to talk about a potential rent strike that
Speaker 2: there is significant organization going on for right now in
Speaker 2: Minneapolis as a reaction to the federal occupation. Is Tara Rogavier,
Speaker 2: the director of the Tenant Union Federation. Tara, Welcome to
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much. Mia.
Speaker 2: So okay, let's rewind a little bit. Can you talk
Speaker 2: a bit about what the specific conditions of the occupation
Speaker 2: and also just sort of the preoccupation world for tenants
Speaker 2: got us to a point where there is potentially the
Speaker 2: largest rent strike we've seen in a century being organized
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely so.
Speaker 3: First of all, thank you so much for having me
Speaker 3: and I am boarding live from the Twin Cities, where
Speaker 3: we've been in a really intense organizing drive now for
Speaker 3: many weeks, and of course the people of the Twin
Speaker 3: Cities have very ferociously fought back against this federal occupation
Speaker 3: for nearly three months. But I appreciate your question because
Speaker 3: I think actually to take us back a little bit
Speaker 3: is critical to understand the circumstances we find ourselves in now.
Speaker 3: So the first and most basic thing to say is
Speaker 3: the rent is too damn high. Yep, people cannot afford
Speaker 3: the rent in any corner of the country. You know,
Speaker 3: It's been true for many years now that a person
Speaker 3: earning minimum wage cannot afford a two bedroom apartment in
Speaker 3: any American county, whether that's urban, suburban, or rural. And
Speaker 3: as our rents go up, the conditions of our homes
Speaker 3: get worse. So what we have taken as saying these
Speaker 3: days is that we're paying higher rents than we've ever
Speaker 3: paid for the worst conditions we've ever in. And I
Speaker 3: know you know that as a tenant and as a
Speaker 3: former tenant organizer, your goal, but so many of our
Speaker 3: people are living this reality every day. And you know
Speaker 3: I organize. I'm based in Missouri, and I helped to
Speaker 3: found and organize with Casey Tenants, and increasingly we're organizing
Speaker 3: tenants in places like Raytown, Missouri on the outskirts of
Speaker 3: Kansas City, and the stakes are so high, and I
Speaker 3: really want to make sure listeners are aware of this.
Speaker 3: All of us are aware of it, but just to
Speaker 3: put a fine point on it, when you get priced
Speaker 3: out of a place like Chicago, you might end up
Speaker 3: in a place like Kansas City. When you get priced
Speaker 3: out of Kansas City, you might end up in a
Speaker 3: place like Raytown, Missouri. When you get priced out of Raytown, Missouri,
Speaker 3: there is no place else to go, and you're just
Speaker 3: stuck renting from the landlords of last resort, the people
Speaker 3: who are very keen to exactly how desperate the tenant
Speaker 3: condition is today, and then they exploit that by keeping
Speaker 3: us living in filth and hiking the rents at every turn.
Speaker 3: So that's some of the content that brings us into
Speaker 3: this moment, and that will be the context underlying every
Speaker 3: crisis following this one. And I think that's a really
Speaker 3: important thing to note, because the story I'm about to
Speaker 3: tell you about what's going on here is then also
Speaker 3: a story of possibility about what might go on in
Speaker 3: every crisis that we encounter from this point on. So
Speaker 3: we started organizing a tenant union, a twin cities wide
Speaker 3: tenant union at the end of January, and the reason
Speaker 3: for that is that the tenants of the twin cities
Speaker 3: had essentially been organizing unions for the two months preceding
Speaker 3: that as a way of fighting ice.
Speaker 1: Every building has a group chat right now.
Speaker 3: Every building has someone distributing whistles and zines so that
Speaker 3: people get information about how to spot ice, what to do,
Speaker 3: advice is there. People are organizing mutual aid to take
Speaker 3: care of their neighbors. That is essentially the work of
Speaker 3: a tenant union.
Speaker 1: Yep. So all we've done in the.
Speaker 3: Last couple of weeks is ads kind of structure and
Speaker 3: formality to the way that tenants have already gotten organized
Speaker 3: under this federal occupation.
Speaker 2: Could I ask a quick question here about how how
Speaker 2: the sort of citywide federation came together? Yeah, because that's
Speaker 2: something I've seen attempted before. But it is pretty difficult.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great question, and I think this won't
Speaker 3: surprise you that in a moment of crisis, Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: actually easier than in other circumstances, unfortunately, to get people organized.
Speaker 3: So a process that might have otherwise taken months to
Speaker 3: sort of align all the various entities organizing tenants in
Speaker 3: the Twin Cities took a matter of four and a
Speaker 3: half days.
Speaker 2: It's astonishing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the best I've ever seen anything like.
Speaker 3: This move, right, And that's not to say it was easy, right.
Speaker 3: It took a lot. And you know, it took a
Speaker 3: lot from us as the Tenant Union Federation, but more
Speaker 3: to the point, it took a lot from tenants here
Speaker 3: who have been organizing in their own formations for many
Speaker 3: months preceding this crisis. So there's a local organization we're
Speaker 3: working with called Inqualinosunidos. They've been organizing for ten years
Speaker 3: and they've a base of mostly Latino and Somali tenants
Speaker 3: all across the city. Then there's a crew that's been
Speaker 3: organizing in South Minneapolis, the South Minneapolis Tenants Union. Then
Speaker 3: there's tenants to have been organizing in Saint Paul. Then
Speaker 3: there's tenants to have been organizing autonomously in their properties
Speaker 3: and forming tenant associations and marching on the landlord. So
Speaker 3: what we tried to do as quickly as possible was
Speaker 3: kind of assemble all of these forces and really focus
Speaker 3: ourselves on the project of building something that was bigger
Speaker 3: than some of its parts that could create the potential
Speaker 3: for enduring power out of this moment. And the thing
Speaker 3: that we said in those four and a half days
Speaker 3: of sprint as we tried to assemble this force is
Speaker 3: the tenant Union is good for protection today and power tomorrow.
Speaker 3: So this is just an experiment. We actually don't know
Speaker 3: what's going to come of this, but it's an experiment
Speaker 3: that I personally feel extremely invested in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I, like you, have.
Speaker 3: Lived through many moments of uprising and activation in the
Speaker 3: last several years, and unfortunately, more often than not, that
Speaker 3: uprising and that activation eventually evaporates, and the tenant Union
Speaker 3: offers one potential vehicle to hold some of that activation
Speaker 3: into the future and to channel it into real and
Speaker 3: enduring power.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: There's another aspect of this before we get into what's
Speaker 2: happening right now that I was really interested in, which
Speaker 2: is how did the sort of connections and organizational bonds
Speaker 2: with labor unions start happening? Because that's another really cool
Speaker 2: feature of this that's pretty unique.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally unprecedented, and even I, yeah, my mind's can
Speaker 3: have blown right. A sort of contextual piece that's important
Speaker 3: is that the people of Minnesota are built different. There's
Speaker 3: a longstanding alignment partnership relationship among organized labor and between
Speaker 3: labor and community organizations here that sort of doesn't have
Speaker 3: a comparison anywhere else in the country. And I might
Speaker 3: be speaking out of turn, but I've never seen anything
Speaker 3: like this. I've never seen this depth of alignment among
Speaker 3: organized labor, between labor and community, and so that context
Speaker 3: is really important to understand because then I think in
Speaker 3: this moment of crisis, labor is much more open to
Speaker 3: a call from community groups and from tenants than they
Speaker 3: might be in other types of situations. So, you know,
Speaker 3: we really leaned on the local relationship and the depth
Speaker 3: of relationship between groups like Inculinos Nidos and these like
Speaker 3: labor tables that have existed. And you know, further important
Speaker 3: context is like groups like i CiU Local twenty six.
Speaker 3: We're leading the call for this general strike day on
Speaker 3: January twenty third, and there was this incredible table of
Speaker 3: labor leadership that came together to sort of lead that day.
Speaker 2: Can you explain for our listeners, like when you're talking
Speaker 2: about it like a labor table, can you explain what
Speaker 2: that is?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, essentially as far as I understand it.
Speaker 3: There's just a really regular conversation that labor leaders are
Speaker 3: having together and these days, I think more often than not,
Speaker 3: it's not just labor, it's labor. And then they've pulled
Speaker 3: in partners from community groups and tenant unions and some
Speaker 3: of the resistance formations as well, and that also is remarkable, right,
Speaker 3: I'm saying this as though it's just kind of like,
Speaker 3: you know, fact of the matter. It's amazing that labor
Speaker 3: leadership in a context like this is in touch enough
Speaker 3: that they understand who's leading some of the decentralized autonomous
Speaker 3: resistance work and is not only aware of that, but
Speaker 3: them in to these kinds of war rooms that are
Speaker 3: now existing, and they're talking on an almost daily basis
Speaker 3: as far as I understand it, So the ask moved
Speaker 3: pretty quickly. I think we brought a vision and a
Speaker 3: strategy to some of the closest labor partners, and their
Speaker 3: willingness to join in on the strike drive comes from
Speaker 3: an intense clarity about the stakes for their members.
Speaker 1: Any of these unions include membership.
Speaker 3: That cannot make the rent on March first, and so
Speaker 3: they're not taking this lightly right, This is a big
Speaker 3: risk They're sticking their necks out for something that is
Speaker 3: a total moonshot. We don't know whether or not we're
Speaker 3: going to be able to pull it off, but what
Speaker 3: we know is we needed to try for some additional
Speaker 3: leverage that we didn't have a couple days ago.
Speaker 2: I'm astonished by effectively every part of this, because every
Speaker 2: and every fourth thing you say is like, this is
Speaker 2: the coolest thing I've ever seen. But yeah, how fast
Speaker 2: this came together is astonishing. The willingness and speed with
Speaker 2: which labor is mobilizing is sort of is astonishing, And yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know this is this is really cool. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I guess the next thing I wanted to ask
Speaker 2: about outside of sort of the how did this organization
Speaker 2: come together? Is what are the specific demands being made?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's three main demands related to the strike drive.
Speaker 3: One is ICE out, and a part of that that
Speaker 3: I feel like you'll be interested in is ICE is in.
Speaker 3: The federal government is pretending that the reason for the
Speaker 3: invasion is economic. They're like, this is an economic intervention.
Speaker 3: ICE is here to fix the economy by deporting a
Speaker 3: bunch of people who are taking your jobs. Part of
Speaker 3: what we're trying to do is highlight what is the reality,
Speaker 3: which is that ice is bad for the economy. Ice
Speaker 3: has devastated the economy. We're trying to heighten that contradiction
Speaker 3: between what they say they're here to do and what
Speaker 3: is actually occurring. And so we will demonstrate if we
Speaker 3: authorize a strike, what actual economic disruption looks like if
Speaker 3: tenants exercise their economic power.
Speaker 1: So that's one thing, Ice out, Ice fully out.
Speaker 3: There's all this talk about a drawdown now, but there's
Speaker 3: still ICE agents here.
Speaker 1: K napping people on a daily basis.
Speaker 3: The second thing is a statewide eviction moratorium. And this
Speaker 3: has been a demand for the last two and a
Speaker 3: half nearly three months. The governor has not moved on it,
Speaker 3: the state legislature has not moved on it. Eviction court
Speaker 3: is running quote unquote as normal during a time there
Speaker 3: are three thousand federal agents in Minneapolis, Pall. So demand
Speaker 3: number two is end evictions, no evictions under federal occupation
Speaker 3: and frankly not for a long time until something resembling
Speaker 3: real recovery is possible. And then demand number three is
Speaker 3: real rent relief, and they're real is important here because
Speaker 3: it's not enough just to get tens of millions of
Speaker 3: dollars that we would then be expected to apply for
Speaker 3: and turn around and give to the landlord. So when
Speaker 3: we say real rent relief, we mean tens of millions
Speaker 3: of dollars that come with strings attached. If landlords benefit
Speaker 3: from what is effectively a bailout because of how bad
Speaker 3: ICE is for the economy, then they should be accountable
Speaker 3: to a higher standard of tenant protections. So one ICE out,
Speaker 3: two eviction moratorium, three rent relief.
Speaker 2: These are fairly moderate demands, and they remind me a
Speaker 2: lot of a series of both demands and also just
Speaker 2: the way that policy works treating the initial parts of
Speaker 2: the pandemic, where there was there were a lot of
Speaker 2: in a lot of cases there actually were like moratoriums
Speaker 2: that you know, we're never enforced as strictly as the
Speaker 2: letter of what they said, but was a thing that
Speaker 2: was implemented in conditions where suddenly people just literally couldn't
Speaker 2: work because massive external force.
Speaker 1: Totally.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of what we're working with right now
Speaker 3: is groundwork that was laid during the COVID nineteen eviction crisis,
Speaker 3: or the early years of it. Right The bill that
Speaker 3: we introduced in the state legislature this week is literally
Speaker 3: modeled after the Rent and Mortgage Cancelation Act that we
Speaker 3: wrote back in twenty twenty to try to get rents
Speaker 3: and mortgage is canceled when people couldn't go to work
Speaker 3: and couldn't leave the house because.
Speaker 1: Of the pandemic.
Speaker 3: And I think that's actually an important thing again to
Speaker 3: keep in mind because crises like this will continue happening
Speaker 3: under today's conditions. Right We're hurtling towards deep and encompassing authoritarianism,
Speaker 3: there's escalating climate catastrophe. We're going to be in this
Speaker 3: situation much more frequently and at higher degrees of stress.
Speaker 1: Pretty much for the rest of our lives.
Speaker 3: So it's good actually for us to start learning from
Speaker 3: the work that we did five years ago and applying
Speaker 3: it here to like borrow and steal from our past
Speaker 3: selves to build from something rather than start from scratch.
Speaker 1: I wish we didn't live under these types.
Speaker 3: Of you know, cascading crisis, but that's the situation we're in.
Speaker 1: And I've been feeling.
Speaker 3: So often in the last month that the only touch
Speaker 3: point in my life I have to this moment is
Speaker 3: the early months of the pandemic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that gets at the depth and
Speaker 2: seriousness of the crisis in a way that I feel
Speaker 2: like is not understood outside of Minneapolis. I mean, I think,
Speaker 2: you know, like my connections, I'm from Chicago, my connections
Speaker 2: in Chicago, there was a lot of that experience. But
Speaker 2: even in Chicago it was kind of there were places
Speaker 2: that were like that, and then you could go like
Speaker 2: three neighborhoods over and everything was sort of operating normally
Speaker 2: for the most part until the next sort of raids came,
Speaker 2: and that I feel like, I don't know, it seems
Speaker 2: to be listening to you talk about this that's been
Speaker 2: the catalyzing force for all of us, that it is
Speaker 2: just constant crisis everywhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think you're right that people outside of
Speaker 3: the Twin Cities maybe don't understand the depths of the devastation.
Speaker 3: But just to put a fine point on it, conservative
Speaker 3: estimates show over forty seven million dollars and lost wages
Speaker 3: among people who have not been safe to go to
Speaker 3: work in the last three months. Yeah, forty seven million
Speaker 3: dollars and lost wages. I just had a conversation with
Speaker 3: a dad yesterday whose kids go to a school where
Speaker 3: there are eighty families where the parents have not been
Speaker 3: safe to go to work, they haven't been safe to
Speaker 3: take their own children to school, and so the other
Speaker 3: parents in the school have been organizing support around them
Speaker 3: for the last two months, and they just did a
Speaker 3: round of calls through all those families this week.
Speaker 1: None of them can make March rent.
Speaker 3: Right, So, even if we're living under a supposed draw down,
Speaker 3: the crisis is still so alive. And I think that's
Speaker 3: also why you see organized labor lining up alongside us
Speaker 3: in this strip drive. They know, like Local twenty six
Speaker 3: has two hundred members that cannot make the rent on
Speaker 3: March first. So I think that that sort of like
Speaker 3: economic side of this story is not really known, felt,
Speaker 3: or understood outside of the Twin Cities right now, but
Speaker 3: everyone here knows and feels it because they've turned their
Speaker 3: lives inside out for the last three months to organize
Speaker 3: you know, millions of dollars in mutual aid.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing is, we.
Speaker 3: Cannot go fundme our way out of this scale emergency.
Speaker 3: It requires state intervention, and that's what we're calling for.
Speaker 2: I want to come back to that the forty seven
Speaker 2: million number for a second, because I think when we
Speaker 2: hear numbers like that, we're used to hearing them in
Speaker 2: the context of you know, state agencies or multi billion
Speaker 2: dollar companies. And this is not that. This is not
Speaker 2: a situation where these people have billions of dollars and
Speaker 2: you're losing some fraction of that. This is something where
Speaker 2: every single one of those dollars matters, so acutely, it's
Speaker 2: not forty seven million dollars coming from Google. Is forty
Speaker 2: seven million dollars coming from people like you, And that
Speaker 2: is an unfathomable humanitarian crisis.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a huge crisis and one that kind of
Speaker 3: ludicrously the leaders at the state and city level have
Speaker 3: suggested that everyday people should solve. Forty seven million dollars
Speaker 3: for everyday people is enormous. You know, through extraordinary efforts,
Speaker 3: the people of the Twin Cities have or is something
Speaker 3: in the neighborhood of six million dollars in rental assistance
Speaker 3: for their own neighbors, like mutual aid style. Forty seven
Speaker 3: million dollars or fifty million dollars. Seventy five million dollars
Speaker 3: is nothing for the state to figure out. Right at
Speaker 3: the city level, there's you know, something to the tune
Speaker 3: of sixty million dollar pot that's funded through sales taxes
Speaker 3: that goes into the maintenance of the downtown infrastructure. They
Speaker 3: pulled some of that money just this past week to
Speaker 3: support small businesses.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about the people, right What about.
Speaker 3: The people who have had to scrounch together what they
Speaker 3: can to take care of themselves, dip into their savings,
Speaker 3: put together funds to take care of their neighbors. That
Speaker 3: can't continue like that forever. And it's ludicrous that they've
Speaker 3: been asked to do that until now. So you know,
Speaker 3: the strike drive is really about making that point in
Speaker 3: public that the state.
Speaker 1: Needs to intervene.
Speaker 3: We need solutions, We need some level of commitment from
Speaker 3: the state, the governor, of the state legislature, and from
Speaker 3: the cities in order to protect people, to keep them
Speaker 3: in their homes for now, and to make them whole
Speaker 3: in the long run.
Speaker 2: I think the other element of this too, and something
Speaker 2: that I remember dealing with doing tenant organizing, is that
Speaker 2: on a very basic level, this is the most brutal
Speaker 2: possible time that you can be evicted. It is February
Speaker 2: right now, it is going to be early March, which
Speaker 2: is whether that can just kill you. And on top
Speaker 2: of that on sort of political level, where we're very
Speaker 2: used to talking about eviction as like a kind of
Speaker 2: process that we're used to happening. But it's like, no,
Speaker 2: we're sending a bunch of people out into whether that
Speaker 2: will kill them, and then also just into the arms
Speaker 2: of a federal occupation. And it's the only and that,
Speaker 2: of course I could think of business like, yeah, you're
Speaker 2: evicting people into the hands of the Gestapo, which is
Speaker 2: one of the most evil things that can even possibly
Speaker 2: be contemplated. And yet it's just what business as usual
Speaker 2: has been.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's hard to even find the words
Speaker 3: to describe the evil. And as you said, it's not
Speaker 3: dissimilar to the first year of the COVID nineteen pandemic,
Speaker 3: before there was a vaccine, eviction courts and states like
Speaker 3: mine and Missouri were just open. You know, the courts
Speaker 3: were open in my county starting in May of twenty twenty,
Speaker 3: a full year before we had a vaccine, and people
Speaker 3: were being evicted into the streets during a time when
Speaker 3: we were told to stay home in order to protect
Speaker 3: ourselves and our neighbors from a deadly virus.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's a really similar thing.
Speaker 3: You know, the quote unquote business as usual of state
Speaker 3: sanctioned violence, and every eviction is an act of violence.
Speaker 3: The sort of normalcy in the mundanity of that violence
Speaker 3: is practiced every day and in front of our eyes
Speaker 3: right now. And I think that point about mundanity is
Speaker 3: important to draw out right because I think what we've
Speaker 3: seen in the Twin Cities in the last three months
Speaker 3: is really visible in your face state violence, as the
Speaker 3: ice agents have come and pupper sprayed and beat people
Speaker 3: up and of course shot and killed people as well.
Speaker 1: The day to day violence of eviction is actually.
Speaker 3: Harder to mobilize people around because it's so boring, it's
Speaker 3: so bureaucratic, it's so taken for granted that the state
Speaker 3: treats us like this, that the state exists to protect
Speaker 3: property over people and their lives and their needs. And
Speaker 3: that's an interesting thing to think about in this moment too,
Speaker 3: where there may or may not be a drawdown of
Speaker 3: the federal agents, but the long standing economic impacts of
Speaker 3: this invasion are here, and it'll be an interesting test
Speaker 3: of people's solidarity and focus and endurance to continue showing
Speaker 3: up in the months after the agents.
Speaker 2: Go away, assuming they do, which is also.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, assuming they go away, right.
Speaker 3: But you know, I have faith, I have more faith
Speaker 3: than I've ever had in my life that the people
Speaker 3: of the Twin Cities who have so righteously fought this
Speaker 3: invasion are showing up and will continue to show up
Speaker 3: even after a time when the agents are gone, assuming
Speaker 3: that happens. And that's a critical test, that will be
Speaker 3: a turning point because we live in a world where
Speaker 3: this mundane violence actually does happen all the time, even
Speaker 3: outside of crisis.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the ability to turn the sort of rupture in
Speaker 2: these moments of crisis into an actual change to the
Speaker 2: way that everything works, I think to some extent is
Speaker 2: the thing that we failed to do after twenty twenty
Speaker 2: and is the thing that sort of you know that
Speaker 2: the foreclosing of the possibilities of the uprising and of
Speaker 2: the mutual aid from the pandemic is what allowed the
Speaker 2: sort of monsters that rule our world today to sort
Speaker 2: of tear their way through.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, So I.
Speaker 2: Know that you have to go very soon. Is there
Speaker 2: anything else that you want to make sure people know
Speaker 2: and are there ways that people outside of the Twin
Speaker 2: Cities can support y'all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3: We are running phone banks now through March first to
Speaker 3: increase our numbers for the strike drive. So depending on
Speaker 3: when this airs, it would be amazing for folks to
Speaker 3: join those phone banks. They can sign up at Twin
Speaker 3: Cities Tenants dot org. There's a link to sign up
Speaker 3: to join the phone banks. Tenants wherever they are should
Speaker 3: get organized and should get trained by Tenant Union Federation.
Speaker 3: We've got our big Union school training. That's the virtual
Speaker 3: three month training coming up this summer. There will be
Speaker 3: more information to come on our socials and our website
Speaker 3: in the next couple of weeks and months, and they
Speaker 3: should follow along. People should follow along on social media.
Speaker 3: We're learning a lot and we're going to be sharing
Speaker 3: a lot of those lessons in public. And I think
Speaker 3: an important note to end on perhaps is that this
Speaker 3: is not a ViBe's based organizing drive. This is not
Speaker 3: social media only. You know, we're believers that words mean things,
Speaker 3: and when we say we're running a strike drive, we
Speaker 3: mean that shit. So we're running a really intensive organizing
Speaker 3: effort that may or may not work.
Speaker 1: You know, we are trying.
Speaker 3: We're trying something big and unprecedented, and part of that
Speaker 3: attempt and part of our seriousness is also acting with
Speaker 3: extraordinary discipline. So we will not authorize strike if we
Speaker 3: are anything less than ready to be on strike depending
Speaker 3: on the situation with our demands and whether or not
Speaker 3: they're met. People should stay tuned because I think in
Speaker 3: the way that this plays out, we will also be
Speaker 3: modeling some of what we're learning in real time around
Speaker 3: what it takes to exercise both vision and strategy and
Speaker 3: discipline as a collective in this kind of new territory.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is quite frankly one of the coolest
Speaker 2: things I've ever gotten to cover on this show. This
Speaker 2: fucking rocks. Love it, And yeah, I hope it goes
Speaker 2: well for you all, and I hope you fucking win.
Speaker 1: Thanks, I appreciate it. Thanks so much for having Memiya, of.
Speaker 2: Course, thank you for coming on. And yeah to everyone
Speaker 2: else out there, I don't know. I was just some
Speaker 2: random college kid when I started doing this, So you
Speaker 2: too can do tenants organizing and YouTube can do incredible things.
Speaker 2: When the BOMA calls.
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