1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. We make way for Ian Rappaport, NFL Network Insider. 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,399 Speaker 1: You can follow him on Twitter at rap sheet and 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: you can see Ian on NFL Networks NFL Game Day 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 1: morning Saturday and Sunday at nine am Eastern. Ian, thanks 6 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 1: for joining us. Where are you philosophically on the Eagles situation? 7 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: I wasn't that offended. I mean I was watching like 8 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: everyone else, just kind of. I mean, there was so 9 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: much coaching stuff going on. Gays got fired during the game. 10 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: But I was watching and all my friends, a lot 11 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 1: of giants, fands, friends from home from high school. We're 12 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: all pissed, and everybody who was freaking out. And I 13 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 1: couldn't find the anger and annoyance. I mean, the Steelers 14 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: left all their starters home, the Bills played a bunch 15 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: of backups. They just I mean, the fact that Nate 16 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: Sudfeld was bad isn't the I mean, it's the Eagle's 17 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: fault because he was on the roster, but it's not 18 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: totally their fault. I mean, I don't I couldn't find 19 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: the anger. I don't know, I just I couldn't find it. Yeah, 20 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: I understand that the Giants want to see, you know, 21 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: a fully equipped Eagles team, and they want to go 22 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: out there and win and put your best, you know, 23 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: effort forward. But Ian, we're going to run into even 24 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: more of these games when they add Week seventeen, more 25 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: meaningless games where more teams will be resting starters. So 26 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: the NFL can't, you know, South Palestonio yesterday said, you know, 27 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: the NFL should investigate the Eagles. I don't know how 28 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: you investigate that, right, It's I mean, yeah, hey, did 29 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: you try to win? I mean right, I mean so 30 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: Doug Peterson says, yeah, we tried to win, and it's like, well, yeah, 31 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: but you also tried to evaluate for next year. Whatever 32 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: you were trying to find out on Nate Sudfel, you 33 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: probably found out. I would also say this, I loved 34 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: what Joe Judge said too. Like his the Eagles did 35 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: what was best for their team. They evaluated players, they 36 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: got a better draft pick, which I don't think they 37 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: were trying to do. But I'm just saying they played 38 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: a lot of not good players and that's what happened. 39 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: They did was best for them, and I think Joe 40 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: Judge's message is something that's going to resonate with Giants fans, 41 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: and I know it has already resonated with Giants players. 42 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: They both did what's best for them, and I am 43 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: really okay with that. Yeah, I hope Joe Judge doesn't 44 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: go twelve and four and rest his starters next year. 45 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: You know, just just want to let Joe know if 46 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: you plan on being around this game a long time, 47 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: chances are it's going to come back and bite you there. 48 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: But the openings that we have right now, the best opening, 49 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: in your opinion, is where if everyone says the Jaguars right, 50 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: because you got the number one pick, and you got 51 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: all the money, and you got actually multiple draft picks, 52 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: and you got a patient owner who's lived through several 53 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: years of Doug Moron, I would say that Jagguars is 54 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: a very very good opening. I kind of feel like 55 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: the Chargers is the best though, because like the Jiggars 56 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,839 Speaker 1: are going to draft a quarterback, presumably Trevor Lawrence. Poo 57 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: we'll see, especially if it's Urban Meyer, we'll see. I 58 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: think Trevor Larrence is a great prospect, and I think 59 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:03,679 Speaker 1: a lot of people think he's the best prospect we've 60 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,679 Speaker 1: seen in quite a while. We've not seen him on 61 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: an NFL field. I have seen Justin Herbert on an 62 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: NFL field. He is very very good. He is, I 63 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: mean really good. If I'm a head coach, I wouldn't 64 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: mind taking over that because, first of all, you got 65 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 1: a defense, you got some players that is a really 66 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: good personnel group. Tom Telesco does a great job at GM, 67 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: and they got talent. You're really just coming in with 68 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: a chance to go to the playoffs for first year. 69 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: I love the Charger's job. Yeah, I do too. I'm 70 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: with you on that because I have my quarterback. I 71 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: do have some star players. You know, they haven't been healthy, 72 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: but I do have star players. I don't think there's 73 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: an inordinate amount of pressure on you with the Chargers 74 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: because you're in Los Angeles, so you can go eight 75 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: and eight and people will go, all right, all right, 76 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: we're starting to rebuild here. You're the second team in 77 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: that building, and it just feels like you could go 78 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: in there and to ease into that job. You go 79 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: into Jacksonville, you get Trevor Lawrence. Now all of a sudden, 80 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: all lives are on you, like all right, and if 81 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: it's Urban Meyer now, you know, people are going to 82 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: expect greatness out of Urban Meyer and Trevor Lawrence. Yeah, 83 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: and I think the Urban Meyer rumors, which let's be real, 84 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: I stoked a little bit with my reports on Saturday 85 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 1: and Sunday, are true. He's They're interested, he's interested. I 86 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: would consider him the front and runner. They got to 87 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: go through the process, but right now, I would say 88 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: there is a legitimate chance of that happening. That is 89 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: going to be you know, when media is allowed to 90 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: do human things again, like travel, everyone's going to be 91 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: at their training camp. A're gonna go live from their camp. 92 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: It's gonna be Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields. It's gonna 93 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: be sorry, let me turn my phone off. It's gonna 94 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: be Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields or Justin Fields, and 95 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: everyone's going to be there. And look, Joe Burrow was 96 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: a great quarterback. Okay, he was a very promising rookie. 97 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: I thought he did a great job. They won very 98 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 1: few games. It's hard to have a rookie quarterback coming 99 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: and win a lot of games. Jags might be much 100 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: approved next year and goes six and ten. That is 101 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: a hard situation. Charge is easier. And I know that 102 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: the report is out there that urban Meyer would be 103 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: getting maybe twelve million dollars a year. Is that I 104 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: don't believe that's true. Okay, I mean he's gonna he's 105 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: gonna be richer than I am. Um, I A twelve 106 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: millions not accurate. You know, he deserves a lot. He's 107 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: gonna get a lot, but that number is not relevant 108 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: from what I understand. And then the Jets situation, what 109 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: do you do at number two and you have Sam Darnold? 110 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: How how how good is that Jet Jets opening? Let's 111 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: say it's pretty good. Um, you know, there are some 112 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: questions though. The roster needs a lot of help. They 113 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: are not talented at all. And I think for Darnold, 114 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: you know, he played well enough at the end of 115 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: the year that my gut is if they want to 116 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: trade him, they probably should do m You'll be able 117 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: to get a second rounder plus or a late first 118 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: rounder for Sam Donald. That's fine, that's a very good investment. 119 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: Early first round started for three years, then you get 120 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 1: a late one coming back. Then you have more first 121 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: round picks, and they have plenty. It's just historically they 122 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: have not been good. They need to fix the building. Still, 123 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: they need to kind of come together a little bit, 124 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: I would say. And then there's the what happens when 125 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: Woody Johnson comes back, And honestly, I don't have the 126 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: answer to that. That's that's a Questions and Rapp Report. 127 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: NFL Network insider Eric Bienemy gonna have his choice of 128 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: these jobs. I hope he gets a job. I think 129 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: he's deserving. He's going to get, you know, several interviews. 130 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: I know he's already got some. I think he actually 131 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 1: interviewed yesterday Lions maybe. I think he actually interviewed twice yesterday. 132 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: He's a really good candidate. It is time. I hope 133 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: he gets a job. But the problem is, you know 134 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: these are there's six jobs. Let's assume for this of 135 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: this argument that Urban Meyer ends up in Jacksonville. Then 136 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: that's five jobs. It just takes one owner to make 137 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: the independent decision that this is your guy. The odds 138 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: are still not with him, just because there's so many 139 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: good candidates. So I'm not convinced he gets one. I 140 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: just know he's deserving, and honestly, I kind of hope 141 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: he does. It's just there's a lot of other really 142 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: good candidates too, and that's a problem. He's older than 143 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin. Yeah, I mean it's you know, my buddy 144 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: Tom Pelicero does a list of sort of up and 145 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: coming coaches and he says, all right, if you're forty, 146 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: you know, if you're older than forty, you're nine the 147 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: list because you know, like I'm older than forty, I'm 148 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: not up and coming. I'm just old. You're old too, 149 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: by the way, no offense. But Eric Bademy hasn't been 150 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: on the list in forever, but people think he's still 151 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: up and coming, like he's he's been there. But yeah, 152 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: it is time. And I start to look at these 153 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: quarterbacking situations here, and you know, you start with the Jets. 154 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: What happens we have this influx of first round picks, 155 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: potential first round draft picks. But then I've got guys 156 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: like Matthew Stafford and Matt Ryan, Jimmy Garoppolo, Mitchell True Biscuit. 157 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: Like there, this is these waves of quarterbacks. You know, 158 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: it keeps happening. We always say, boy, we haven't seen 159 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: this in a long time. Here's another wave that's coming. 160 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: And we thought the wave last year was big and lasting, 161 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: and it probably will be. But what do you expect 162 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: to happen with some of the veteran quarterbacks. Yeah, last 163 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: year it was weird anomaly, I thought, because you had 164 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: Brady and Rivers and legit quarterbacks changing teams. We're going 165 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:36,839 Speaker 1: to see more of that this year. So here's my 166 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: early earlier read on the situation. I have a hard 167 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: time imagining that Stafford or Matt Ryan gets traded because 168 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 1: think about it, the trades happen in March. That's when 169 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: you get the value, that's when you clear the salaries, 170 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: figured out what you can use in free agency. Trades 171 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: happen in March. The Lions and the Falcons are not 172 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: going to know who their quarterbacks are in March. They 173 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,199 Speaker 1: probably know in April when during the draft, but not 174 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: going to know in March. So I don't think either 175 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: of those guys gets traded now because you're not going 176 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: to trade him without knowing who The answer is. Is 177 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: it possible Garoppolo gets traded. I think it's possible. They 178 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: came out and said yesterday that they expect him to 179 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: be back. I would say, we'll see. I would expect 180 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: to me back unless they get a better offer or 181 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: a better answer. Like all of us. And then you 182 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: know Carson Wentz. I think there's a real chance he 183 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: gets traded as well. Indy would be a really good 184 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: option for him. But I mean, we're going to see 185 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: a lot of movement and a lot of needs. I mean, 186 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: what are the Saints going to do at quarterback next year? 187 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: That's a big question too. I mean, there's it's going 188 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: to be very interesting offseason. Wait, you don't think they're 189 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: sold that. Sean Payton's not sold on who's Drew's replacement. 190 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: I mean I would just say, and I don't want 191 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: to get an angry call from Sean Payton. Um my 192 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: guests based on my eyeballs, And what I know is 193 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: that they will probably be looking for a quarterback next 194 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: year to compliments who they also love. They love him, 195 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: I know they love him, but I'm not sure he's 196 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: the quarterback in the future there. He's not a starting quarterback. 197 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 1: I mean, I just know when I talked to defensive coordinators, 198 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: head coaches, general managers watching Taysom Hill, they were intrigued, 199 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: but they were definitely not sold. Oh I'm intrigued, But 200 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: I think Jameis Winston is more of an NFL quarterback 201 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: and hopefully he got this, you know, hands on tutorial 202 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: from Sean Payton and Drew Brees, and maybe that'll help 203 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 1: his judgment when he gets on the field. Let me 204 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: leave you with this, have the Dolphins seen enough of 205 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: Tuah were there They're convinced they got the right guy? 206 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: I think so. I have not heard otherwise. And but 207 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna say this, like, if you have an 208 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: opportunity to get better at quarterback as a team, you 209 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: should take it. It's your responsibility to take it right. 210 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: So I cannot say I almost looking at the quarterback 211 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: situations across the league, there's only like ten'd say they 212 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: are done, right, Like, they're done, They're not taking a quarterback. 213 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: I would say for the Dolphins, I think they are done. 214 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: But I'm sure they're going to evaluate all the quarterbacks 215 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: in the draft. I mean, Twa is a rookie. Most 216 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: rookie quarterbacks don't play, and if they do play, they're 217 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 1: not good. They make mistakes that they're interceptions that look bad, 218 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: they don't get the offense. The problem with two is 219 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: we saw him play, So I think they are sold. 220 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: But I would not necessarily bet my life savings up 221 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: good to visity with you is always. Thanks for joining 222 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: us and know it's a busy time for you. Thank you. 223 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: Ian All right, back to my phone and take care. 224 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: Man at San Rappaport NFL Network Insider. You can see 225 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: him on NFL Network's NFL Game Day Morning that'll be 226 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: Saturday and Sunday at nine am Eastern. Thanks for listening 227 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. 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Chris will be hosting and showtime 236 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: is at seven Eastern on The Mother's Ship and then 237 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: Chris heads to Miami to call the National Title Game 238 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: Monday at eight Eastern on ESPN. Chris joining us from 239 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: the lovely confines of Bristol, Connecticut. People have heard about Bristol, 240 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: Connecticut over the years, over the decades. Chris, for those 241 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: who have never been able to go to Bristol, Connecticut. 242 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: Could you give us a snapshot of Bristol, Connecticut right 243 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 1: now on a Tuesday morning, Dan, I know much more 244 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: about the campus of the actual town at Bristol, because, 245 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: as you know what sits right on the edge of Southington, 246 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: right on the DMZ between those two towns, and so 247 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: I can tell you all about the campus, which I 248 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: haven't been doing a couple of years. By the way, 249 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: my initial visit here, so every time you come as 250 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: a new building, it's very quiet, very deserted, very spooky, 251 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: but it's gleaming and beautiful. And I tell you they 252 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: did a hell of a job. I was a little 253 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: bit skeptical you take the Heisman out of that intimate 254 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:11,239 Speaker 1: setting in New York, and obviously it's a virtual ceremony. 255 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: Past winners will be on screens as well the finalists. 256 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: But they did a hell of a job dressing up 257 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: the studio, which I think has the Fantasy League show 258 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 1: normally in it. They blocked that off and they got 259 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: a beautiful looking room for this kind of one time 260 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: only home of the Heisman. Can you give us a 261 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 1: look out the window? Do you really want to look 262 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: at the view here? Yeah, I think just now this 263 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: is is this the Radisson Hotel or has it been renamed? 264 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: It is now the Double Tree. I asked for and 265 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: they gave me a room with a very special view. Okay, 266 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: now that's the elevator testing shot. This is this is 267 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: where this is the Otis elevator building here where they 268 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: it's tall building in the middle of these hills where 269 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 1: they'd run the elevator up and now to test them. 270 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: We have a construction. I don't know what's going on, 271 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: but they're building something over here and you can see 272 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 1: the parking lots rather empty. So that that is your 273 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: snap shot than the six one O you asked for. 274 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: Do you remember your first day on campus? Yeah? Absolutely, 275 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: I looked about eleven. I was in to do a 276 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: high school sports show called Scholastic Sports America. I had 277 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: been a fan of the network since it signed on 278 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: in seventy nine, So this is eighty six when I 279 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: arrived and they're like, who is this kid, you know 280 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: walking around at a T shirt? And you know, I 281 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: was like, there was Burman Nurse Lead, there's Tom Needs 282 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: and these were the early guys that you know, I 283 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: stayed up and watched Sports Center, and I thought when 284 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: they had called me to work here, they were going 285 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: to put me on Sports There. Said no, we've got 286 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: something a special plan for you. You're gonna hit the 287 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: road and coach and you know, work forty weeks during 288 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: the school calendar doing high school features. But I love 289 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: that too, And I think the one I remember is 290 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: when you featured him at Smith Yeah, for some reason, 291 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: first football player we profile at Pensacola, Escambia. Yeah, and 292 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: he became kind of like a life acquaintance. It was 293 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: very cool, all right. So the game plan tonight, now, 294 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: when you get the envelope, it's the same as usual. 295 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: I don't want to know ahead of time. Nobody on 296 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: the show knows who wins. You just don't want to 297 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: have that. But the commercial break before the announcement is made, 298 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: I do get the results then, because sometimes there's been 299 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: a lot of suspense and you just don't want to 300 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: be caught completely off guard because in case the guy 301 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: gives a short speech, I have to step in there 302 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: for the interview. So you want to let your eyes 303 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: kind of look at the page and see what's going 304 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: on with the voting. So in that break before the announcement. 305 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: I'm not on camera in that segment until after their 306 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: name is read. Then I find out. The biggest question 307 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: you have tonight, aside from who's gonna win, is what well? 308 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: I have my stress ball here, I haven't needed it yet, 309 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: But my biggest concern is we all do the Everything 310 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: is on a screen like you and I are right now, 311 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: but you just want everything to be buttoned up technically. 312 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: You know all of these guys, you know for a 313 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: minute here, And my biggest concern until I read something 314 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: this morning, was that Nick Saban's practice was going to 315 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: run into our show because plan A. Nobody knows this, 316 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: but Plan A for Alabama was to have DeVante Smith, 317 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: Mac Jones and the rest of the Tide practicing for 318 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: the championship be him right up until about six Central, 319 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: seven Eastern when this show starts. And I'm thinking, are 320 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: these guys gonna like, are they gonna have time to 321 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: two off after practice? Are they going to come in 322 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: sweat so they you know, DeVante's miss a sharp dress, dude. 323 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: He wears these tailored suits, the bow ties. That's how 324 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: he goes to the games. And I thought, can you 325 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: let the guy and put a suit on, and Matt 326 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: can you let him at least dress up? Because it's 327 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: weird to be practicing for the ultimate game and have 328 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: this potential life moment from one of them be like 329 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: minutes away. But I was told this when they moved 330 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: practice earlier. I don't know what it took to make 331 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: that happen. But now this guys can show that. I 332 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: know they're going to be there on time. So that's 333 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: that was my biggest worry. Is Saban going to join you? Yes, 334 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: the only part of the show as will Dan Mullen 335 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: and uh and Dabbles Sweeney, the coaches and the families. 336 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 1: You know, the two players whose seasons are over, Trevor 337 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 1: Lawrence and Kyle Trask. It's a very different deal. They 338 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: can have their family there, the coaches, it's going to 339 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: be at their team locations. But it's a different vibe 340 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: than two guys who are still in the court of 341 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: sort of the Alabama bubble of getting ready for the 342 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: game next Monday. And you've been doing this such a 343 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: long time. We love to hand out that Heisman in September. 344 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: We love at the like the beginning of October, and 345 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: you know, I came in I forget how many weeks ago, 346 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 1: and I said, Davante Smith is the best player on 347 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: any football field that he plays on. I don't know 348 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: if he's going to win the Heisman, but he to 349 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: me is the difference maker for that team. But you know, 350 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: I it's when you start to handicap this. What do 351 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: voters see and what they what should they be looking for? 352 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 1: So let me ask you that what should you look 353 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: for in the Heisman candidate? Well, it's simple. It says 354 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: most outstanding player in the ballot, right, but that's open 355 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: to interpretation. For me, I always look at what would 356 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: the team be like if that guy weren't there? What 357 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: would he what would it mean if he was out? 358 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: You know? And I think we saw with Lawrence what 359 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: it meant for Clemson, for example. I don't know where 360 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: Florida would be without Kyle Trash, but it wouldn't have 361 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: been in a New Year's six Bowl game battling bamafre 362 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: SEC championship down to the final couple of possessions, that's 363 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: for sure. And then the Alabama guys you have to judge, 364 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 1: you know, there's the offense is so good. I mean, 365 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: we're having this conversation, Are they as good as LSU 366 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: last year, which I think is the best college offense 367 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: I've ever seen. I mean you Smith, Jones and Harris 368 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: and then offensive line that Jones stays pretty clean in 369 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 1: the pocket a lot. But you know, you said something 370 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: about DeVante Smith, and I think it's interesting, Dan and 371 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 1: this year that's been so different where the rules are 372 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: just basically tossed out. I think there is more momentum 373 00:18:56,359 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: for voters to look beyond the usual quarterback stats and say, 374 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: the first of all, Demante has amazing stats as a receiver. 375 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: I mean phenomenal stats. Every good team they faced, no 376 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: matter what they threw at him, he was off the charts. 377 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: And the better the dB he's across from, the more 378 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: he embraced the challenge of figuring out a way to 379 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: beat that guy. And so I think there's You've seen 380 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: lots of people endorse him, lots of guys have said, 381 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: you know, Demante Smith is the best player. Maybe this 382 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: is a year to do that. I don't know if 383 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: that's the way the voting is going to go, but 384 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: I think people would consider him a slight favorite at 385 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 1: this point because there has been that late season momentum. 386 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,479 Speaker 1: You talked about, what is it eight hundred voters more 387 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: than nine voters? Yeah, no, are they voted now? People 388 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,719 Speaker 1: think they didn't vote after these ball games. Okay, they 389 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: voted after the conference championship games. That didn't change. So 390 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 1: you can't factor in what you saw New Year's Day 391 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: and the other bowl games. Yeah, because if you did, 392 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 1: then Demonte Smith's your Heisman Trophy winner. Right well, it 393 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: certainly would have hurt the case for Laura. Some trask 394 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: I'll say that, Well, the Bama guys just kept rolling. 395 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: I mean, Smith had three more touchdowns. It gets a 396 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: Notre dame. That doesn't count in the voting or how 397 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: we statistically evaluate. But those guys, I don't think that 398 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: Heisman should ever be given out after the playoff anyway. 399 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: You can't make it an award that's that's tilted that 400 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 1: much toward the guys who had, you know, the final award. 401 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: That to me is you'll never have a guy winner 402 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: off a non playoffs team if you did that. He's 403 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: Chris Fowler. He'll be hosting Tonight for the twenty seventh 404 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: straight year. Chris hosting the one hour telecast on ESPN 405 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 1: the Heisman trophy ceremony, it starts at eight eastern. Well, 406 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: whenever Nick Saban wants to start at seven seven eastern Okay, 407 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: I got eight eastern here, dah, We'll tune in this 408 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 1: seven seven okay. That may change that seven eastern National 409 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: Title game eight eastern, yes, okay, or whenever Saban wants 410 00:20:55,480 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: to show up for tonight's tonight's ceremony. As we moved forward, 411 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: hopefully we get back to whatever normally is calling a game. 412 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: You know, Herbie called you know last week from home. 413 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: Does the pandemic as we move forward out of it, 414 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: does it change broadcasting in you know games you know 415 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: on site? I hope not. I mean I enjoyed being 416 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: on site for a lot of years, and there's an 417 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: experience that special A lot of the stuff that is 418 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: fun about the job. I'm the last one to wine, 419 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: believe me. But the contact with the coaches and players 420 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: in person hasn't been there. You don't get to watch practices. 421 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: Everything is a screen. Everything is reading in the booth. 422 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: You know, everything is a screen. You can't have a 423 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,479 Speaker 1: spot or near you. You can't have a stats guy 424 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: near you. That's all the COVID protocols. Everything is a source, right. 425 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: You just look at all these screens, like your air 426 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: traffic control. You miss a lot of the human contact. 427 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: Our crew can't meet, you know, in a room. Everything 428 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: is a zoom meeting and I miss I miss that 429 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: contact a lot. I mean, I don't like the idea 430 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: of having a call play by play off a TV screen. 431 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: We're gonna be doing that the Australian Open because of 432 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 1: all the complications of going to Melbourne at this point, 433 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna be doing tennis off at TV. I know 434 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,360 Speaker 1: a lot of guys have done great work. A lot 435 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: of my colleagues have not been able to go on 436 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: the road and call games. So these they call these 437 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: games are ready games. I don't know why they're called remy, 438 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 1: but that means where they everybody's kind of virtually there's 439 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: there's teams have done football games this college football season. 440 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 1: They guys have not met each other play that playing 441 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: analysts have never met get their calling games from their 442 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: respective homes. I Kirk, and there's our twenty fifth season together. 443 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: So it helps when he's in Nashville line in the 444 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: booth to have that kind of chemistry that have built 445 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: up over a quarter century. I was wondering in the 446 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: hit on Justin Fields, like what kind of information can 447 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: you get? But have been different if if everybody was 448 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 1: in person and they you know that, because I don't 449 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: know if there was ever a medical update on Justin 450 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: Field with that hit. Oh, I mean, what's what he 451 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: might have sustained? When we were told that they got 452 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: the x ray room ready at halftime, so you're thinking, oh, 453 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 1: they're going to go look at his ribs, but it 454 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: wasn't for him. He didn't get x rayed, and he 455 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: admitted at the game he took a couple of injections 456 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 1: or at least an injection, which you need to get 457 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: through the pain. Because you saw how he was grimacing 458 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: there when he got hit me and I thought, I thought, 459 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: oh my god, that's broken ribs or maybe they'd a 460 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,959 Speaker 1: check for a kidney injury, and you know, they're not 461 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: saying what the injury is. I mean, Justin didn't attend 462 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: the interview sessions that we had set up and that 463 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 1: the CFP had set up yesterday. Maria Taylor was supposed 464 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: to talk to him. He didn't make that appointment, so 465 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 1: obviously that sort of raises concerns. I mean, Ryan Day 466 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 1: says he expects him to play. I would certainly hope so. 467 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: But you know, there's going to be a certain amount 468 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: of cloaking dagger before the championship game, and they're not 469 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: getting down there till maybe the day before, so you're 470 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: not going to have eyes on many practices, if any, 471 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: to check that out. But God, he's got play. He 472 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: just has to play. Is Herbie gonna be on site 473 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: with you? Yes, that's the plan, Hey Dan, this is 474 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: our to our brother. I know, yes, but he will 475 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: have cleared protocol. He's gonna be on site. I don't 476 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: want to do a championship game. Oh if I'm on site, man, 477 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: I got I probably got I don't know what, like 478 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: two three more tests. I gotta pass forth for I get. 479 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: I had fifty four this year. If you're counting fifty 480 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: four COVID tests, are you fifty four? And oh I 481 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: am undefeated? Undefeated. I'm not doing all humility. I'm not 482 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: I'm not doing the victory dance. I'm spiking the ball. 483 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: But I don't. I don't want to, you know, flag 484 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: you for you know taunting. It's the announcer Jinx. You 485 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: just you just gave it to him while I have 486 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: you the Steve Sarksian situation here. How does that affect 487 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: Alabama in the National Title game? But what do you 488 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: think of the hire for Texas well? I think Sarklehandle's 489 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: business calling plays and he better he has to you. 490 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: You couldn't take him out of the equation. I was 491 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: talking to Smith and Jones as part of my prep 492 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 1: and you know they were they were relieved that he 493 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: was going to say on and call the plays. You 494 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 1: cannot disrupt that engine at this moment. I mean, guys 495 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,959 Speaker 1: have done it before, but he's the play caller. He's 496 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: a huge part of that and you know him him 497 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: matching wits with Ohio States defense is a big part 498 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: of the game. Texas is a really hard job. You 499 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: got to be a politician. I've talked to Mac Brown, 500 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: who was, you know, the most successful coach there post 501 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: Darryl Royal, And you have to navigate your way through 502 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: some very murky, choppy waters. Everybody in Texas who's the 503 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: trustee down there, gives a bunch of money. They all 504 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: want to be Jerry Jones Junior, and they want to 505 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: have a say in the program. There's a lot of 506 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: stuff to deal with but beyond coaching football, and I 507 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: hope Sark can manage all that stuff, because man, he can. 508 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: He can call plays and he's a good recruiter. And 509 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 1: I'm happy to see him. You know, he's had he's 510 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: had two sort of redemptions back to Tuscaloosa with Saban, 511 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,719 Speaker 1: and I think he's I feel, uh, I like him 512 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: a lot, and I feel for what he's had to 513 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: go through off the field, and I hope that part 514 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 1: of his life has conquered forever and I hope he 515 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: has great success in Austin. He's uh Chris Fowler tonight 516 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: at seven eastern the Heisman Trophy ceremony and then aid 517 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: Eastern on Monday night the national title. Who did you 518 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: vote for? By the way, I could, oh, okay, okay, Mike, 519 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: I'm twenty seven or no, I'm not remealing my vote? 520 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: Can you imagine? And this for once they're not in 521 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: the same room, but I'm you know, you can't. You 522 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:36,959 Speaker 1: can't say who you voted for and then go out 523 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: there and host the show. Come on, but good try, Okay. 524 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: I mean I think I'm oh, give a vote, Yeah 525 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: I voted, okay, but I'm not allowed to know oh yeah, 526 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: that's right. No one's supposed to tell. Actually right, you're 527 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: sworn to secreency. If they could, they could come and 528 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: take your ballot away. Right. Well they did ask, you know, 529 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 1: because I do, you know, tell people on the show, 530 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: because I said, you know, hey, I watch a lot 531 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: of football. I take this. It's a great honor to vote. 532 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: And you know that I almost got into a fight. 533 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 1: This a Heisman fight with Craig Segar years ago in 534 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: Miami outside the Clevelander Hotel. Okay, so we both have 535 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: beers in our hands, and I said to Segar how 536 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 1: disappointed I was in the Heisman voting because a freshman 537 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: should be able to win. Adrian Peterson, to me, I 538 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 1: thought deserved the Heisman trophy. Okay, so three minutes later, 539 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:39,959 Speaker 1: we're nose to nose. We're gonna fight over Adrian Peterson 540 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: should he win the Heisman Trophy. Paulie had to jump 541 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: in true story, Segar and I were going to throw 542 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: down Adrian Peterson. I'm just I'm just picturing you and 543 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,719 Speaker 1: Segar probably had a plaid sport code on with beers 544 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: at the corner of Tenth and Ocean, ready to throw down. 545 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 1: Y yeah, and I think it's what color was was 546 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: that salmon? He had a fusia colored jacket on. He's 547 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: a big guy. Could you imagine police showing up? What's 548 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: what's the argument about Adrian Peterson? Oh, as you were, 549 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: go ahead, you guys can throw down. I've seen plenty 550 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 1: of beer fuel fights at that exact location for many years. 551 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: My friends used to own that play, so that that 552 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: was a that was a hangout. But that's a great memory. 553 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: You get digital picture, you give him me. Thank you 554 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: for that. Yet, have fun tonight as always, Chris, we 555 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,120 Speaker 1: appreciate your time and good luck on Monday night as well. 556 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: Thank you, sir, appreciate its Chris Fowler. Be sure to 557 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: catch the live edition of The Dan Patrick Show week 558 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: days at nine am Eastern six am Pacific on Fox 559 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,479 Speaker 1: Sports Radio and the iHeart Radio WAPP. We make way 560 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: for Daniel Jeremiah, one of our favorite NFL network analyst. 561 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: He is the color analyst on radio for the Chargers 562 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: and a former NFL scout. You can follow him at 563 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah on Twitter at Moved the Sticks, host of 564 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: Move the Sticks podcast along with Bucky Brooks, who joins 565 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: us on the program. Daniel thanks for joining us. I 566 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: wanted to have you on to talk about the Chargers 567 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: opening here. I think it's the best opening, but I 568 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: want to know what you think, even though maybe you'd 569 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: be territorial here, but how good is the opening head 570 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: coaching vacancy? Well, I agree with you, Dan, I think 571 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: it's number one on the list, and I think when 572 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: you just look at it, and you can make a 573 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: strong case for Jacksonville because you have the first overall pick, 574 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: the extra picks, the salary cap money, I get all that, 575 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: and we can say, and I believe it that you 576 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: feel really good about Trevor Lawrence being a really big 577 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: time player. But there's still that's not a one hundred 578 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: percent slam dunk as none of these picks are justin Herbert. 579 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: I've seen it. I've seen him throw for four thousand 580 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: yards thirty one touchdowns on an NFL field against NFL 581 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: competition with an offensive line that's not great. So I 582 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: know I've got a young stud at the most important 583 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: in position. That's where you first start, which would get 584 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: you excited about the job. And then when you look 585 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: at the other pieces in place with you know, with 586 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: Keenan Allen Um, you look on the on the defensive 587 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: side of the ball, with Joey Bosa at the first level, 588 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: Kenneth Murray at the second level, and Derwin James coming 589 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: back at the third level, and you've got a lot 590 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: of good players in place there. So to me, I 591 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: think it is clearly the best job out there. If 592 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: I said you could have Justin Herbert or Trevor Lawrence, 593 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: well right now, I would take Justin Herbert because I 594 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: know it, I've seen it. There's no guess work there 595 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: about how he's going to play. He's played at an 596 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: elite level at the n on the NFL stage, So um, well, 597 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: I'll have a higher grade on Trevor Lawrence coming through 598 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: the draft process. I mean, now, I can't. I can't 599 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: pretend I didn't see what I saw. Have you seen 600 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: enough a Tuah? Look, I no, I think two of 601 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: that that Jerry is still out. I think we can 602 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 1: do two things. I think we can stamp Justin Herbert 603 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: a hit without having to make a decision on TUA. 604 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: I think we can allow that to breathe a little 605 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: bit before we decide whether or not that's the you know, 606 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: that's the right pick for them going forward. I do 607 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: agree though, that with a third pick in the draft, 608 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 1: the Dolphins need to do their homework on these other 609 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: quarterbacks and if there's one that they feel like is 610 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: a much better player than two, then yeah, they'd have 611 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: to consider that. But I don't agree with the philosophy 612 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 1: of wow, we didn't see enough from too us, so 613 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: just throw him away and we have to take a quarterback. 614 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: We had David Polka yesterday from ESPN, and he said 615 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: that he thought that Justin Herbert was that Oregon ran 616 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: the wrong offense for his talents, and maybe the same 617 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: with Clemson with Trevor Lawrence that are it's not middle 618 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: of the field, it's all on the sides your thoughts. Yeah, 619 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: it was interesting because you start to question things, right, 620 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: you look at your evaluations, and then this year is 621 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: so weird. Dan, I'm I'm having to go back and 622 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: watch more of last year's tape on these opt out guys, right, 623 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: because they didn't play this year. So I find myself 624 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: watching more of Justin Herbert. So here I am calling 625 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: their games on Sundays, and then on Tuesday, I'm doing 626 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: draft prep and I'm seeing Justin her It looks like 627 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: two different guys. I mean it didn't look like the 628 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: same player, and it was a lot of bubble screens. Look, 629 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: they ran the ball. It's Mario Chrystal. Ball has the 630 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: philosophies an offensive line guy, they want to be physical, 631 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: and they won the dang Rose Bowl. So I mean, 632 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: he did his job, but you did not feature Justin 633 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: Herbert in that offense the way he could have been 634 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: featured with what he can do down the field. I 635 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: mean it was that Kansas City game from the first game. 636 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: I remember thinking like, holy crud, I didn't see this, 637 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: Like this is a whole other level. Yeah, and I 638 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: you know, I know that we shouldn't do this, but 639 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: we do this. And that is Joe Burrow and Justin 640 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: Herbert are hits and two we're not quite sure about. 641 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,479 Speaker 1: And I said, you know, we have to give him 642 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: a little bit of time because he's playing it a tentatively. 643 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: And you know, here's the thing, and you know this 644 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: better than most people because you were an NFL scout. 645 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: I don't know how to assess the greatness of a 646 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: quarterback based on like Mac Jones, He's he's gonna have 647 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: four receivers, you know, alam in the last two years 648 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: ago in the first round, and that's the best receiver 649 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: on their roster is a guy who's probably is not 650 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: going to play. Davante Smith probably wins the Heisman and 651 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: Waddle was considered the best receiver there. So how do 652 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: you assess the talents here? Well, this is not something 653 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: that's new. I mean, when you go back, I remember, 654 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: you know, somebody sent me a text, somebody in the 655 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: NFL sent me a text after two had struggled a 656 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: little bit and said, hey, are you at all worried? 657 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: This is Matt Leiner, you know, somebody who was surrounded 658 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: by so much talent and then you had a tough 659 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: time separating between what's him and what's his supporting cast. 660 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: And I thought, look, it's a fair question, you know. 661 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: I think, look, I think Twa has a little more 662 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: twitch in his body than Matt did. And there's you know, 663 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: but there is some of that difficulty in the evaluation 664 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: of being able to separate what's around him. But I 665 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: go back to, you know, look who Deshaun Watson was 666 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: thrown too during his career at Clemson. I mean, there 667 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: were studs all over the place, but you had to 668 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: be able to separate and say Okay, even with all 669 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 1: that around him, he does some special things. But that's 670 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: the thing that's so hard about this job, Dan, and 671 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: you flip it around on the opposite side and say, well, 672 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: Josh Allen completed a fifty six percent of his passes 673 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: at Wyoming. Well look who he's throwing to. Look who's 674 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 1: who he's got. So that's what it's. I know a 675 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 1: lot of people like to sit back and think this 676 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: thing's pretty easy just to say this guy can play, 677 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: this guy can't play. There's a lot you got to 678 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 1: sort through. But if we redrafted that draft with Josh Allen, 679 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: he'd be the first one. Yeah. But what was it? 680 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: Because I was told and you know when I got 681 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: this information on it Sunday, and I came in on 682 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: Monday and I said, guys, I'm not I didn't even 683 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: tell the Dannts. I said the Browns, I know who 684 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: they're taking number one, and they're going, oh, this guy this, 685 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,879 Speaker 1: and no one said Baker Mayfield. And then I said, yeah, 686 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: but I don't know if it's a smoke screen because 687 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: I thought they liked Josh Allen. And then I realized 688 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: that Josh Allen may have been this smoke screen here 689 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 1: and that they were taking Baker Mayfield. So what was 690 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: the apprehension of about Josh Allen Well, I think there's 691 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 1: what Look, Baker had a higher floor than Josh, So 692 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: you knew what Baker as much football as he'd played, 693 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: and where he was in the process, you know he 694 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:05,879 Speaker 1: was going to step in. Now he might be banging 695 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: his head on the ceiling year one, but you're not 696 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: gonna miss on him. You know you're gonna get a 697 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 1: good player. Whereas with Josh, it was like, man, this 698 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: could hit huge. I mean, you could have John Elway 699 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: on your hands here, but there's also it's going to 700 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: take some time and there's some risk involved. And I 701 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,919 Speaker 1: think with that number one overall pick, they were sitting 702 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: there saying, we've screwed this up for so long in Cleveland. 703 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: We've got to get more of the sure thing, which 704 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: they felt like Baker was. So it was just a 705 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 1: floor ceiling argument. Look at Josh. I was there for 706 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: Josh's first start, it was against the Chargers, and to 707 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: see the ground that Josh has covered from when he 708 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: first started that game to where he is now. There's 709 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: a reason why Brian Day balls you know, on every 710 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: coaching list here to get interviews because they've done a 711 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: phenomenal job of taking that raw talent and developing it 712 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: into really kind of the envy of the league right 713 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: now when you look at his age and what he's 714 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: able to accomplish. Talking to Daniel Jeremiah, the NFL Network analyst, 715 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: if you're the Giants, all right, I should say the Jets, 716 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,399 Speaker 1: what do you do? Yeah? The Jets GM? Yeah, Yeah, 717 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: I mean, look, here's my I'm a big Sam Darnold fan. 718 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: I love Sam. I had a huge grade on Sam 719 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: coming to the draft process, and I still think that 720 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,280 Speaker 1: he's got a chance to be a really good player. 721 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 1: But to me, it feels like a natural reset button. Here. 722 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: You're gonna bring in a new head coach, you get 723 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: an opportunity to bring in a new quarterback, you start 724 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: that rookie contract over and off you go. You kind 725 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: of the clock starts right now. Right If you're Joe Douglas, 726 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 1: this is your hire. You bring in your coach, you 727 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,399 Speaker 1: didn't pick Sam, you bring in your quarterback, and now 728 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 1: you're judged on this going forward. That to me makes 729 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: the most sense. Now. The thing that's fascinating is if 730 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 1: you would ask me a week ago, I would say, well, man, 731 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: this points to Zach Wilson when you look at how 732 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 1: he played this year, and he's so exciting. Man, the 733 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 1: throws he can make, there's a lot there. And then 734 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 1: Justin Fields goes out and plays the best game of 735 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: his life. And now you're left saying, Okay, let's let's 736 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: take our time here, let's not rush this. Let's see 737 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 1: what happens here against Alabama, because if he goes out 738 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: there and torches Alabama, Dan, I'm having a little bit 739 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 1: of flashbacks to Deshaun Watson where if you remember that year, 740 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: his last year at Clemson, there were turnovers, you know, 741 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 1: a decent amount of turnovers down in the red zone. 742 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 1: He did not have a real clean year. But his 743 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 1: closing argument was what he did against Nick Saban and 744 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: Alabama was a darned goood closing argument. And Justin Field's 745 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 1: going to get the same opportunity. And it's strange though, 746 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: when we were aghast, we were up in arms when 747 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: you know, we realized the Bears were passing on to 748 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 1: Shaun Watson. I don't remember anybody going can you believe 749 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: they passed on Patrick Mahomes. It was Watson, not Mahome. Yeah, 750 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 1: and I think that's you know, Ryan Pace gets a 751 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 1: lot of grief for the Trubisky pick, and everybody for 752 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: the most part points to the Mahomes side of it 753 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 1: because he's been an MVP. But to me, the argument 754 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: was was Deshaun, because Deshaun had the track record at 755 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 1: that you know, had played a high level throughout his 756 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,320 Speaker 1: whole career. Mahomes was fun to watch, but he was 757 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 1: I wrote it in my I went back in my notes, 758 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 1: I said, this is all screens and scrambles. It is 759 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 1: fly by the seat of your pants, and it is 760 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,439 Speaker 1: up and down, and this is going to take some time. 761 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: I mean, Pat went to the perfect place for Andy 762 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 1: Reid and Alex Smith to have a year to just 763 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 1: kind of pour into him and kind of polish him up, 764 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,799 Speaker 1: and then the rest is history. But I don't think 765 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 1: that was I think that's revisionist history. If you look 766 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 1: back on that and say, man, how did you not 767 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 1: take Patrick Mahomes. But the fact that Sean Payton was 768 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,720 Speaker 1: going to take Patrick Mahomes, Yeah, you had Sean Payton, 769 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: you had Arizona that like Mahomes. But I think that 770 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 1: most teams, if you were to kind of pull them 771 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: through that process to Shaun Watson would have been the 772 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: number one quarterback for the majority of teams, and I 773 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 1: don't know that Mitchell Trubisky would have been number one 774 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 1: for many at all. So that what do you do 775 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,880 Speaker 1: with Trubisky? Now? You made the playoffs and it feels 776 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,839 Speaker 1: like the Bears are in no man's land with their 777 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 1: quarterbacking situation. So here's the kind of the challenge there is. 778 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: Everybody wants to get rid of people, but they didn't 779 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 1: want to tell you who they're going to replace him with. 780 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 1: So who's your better option? You're in no man's land 781 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,279 Speaker 1: in the draft to get somebody that's going to come in, 782 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: in my opinion, to be better than Mitch right away. 783 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 1: You've got a weird situation because you didn't pick up 784 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,840 Speaker 1: the fifth year option, and you've also got Allen Robinson 785 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: who's up. So like if I if I'm looking at 786 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 1: it from Mitchell Trubisky standpoint, you know, I don't know 787 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 1: what I'd have to look up the what the franchise 788 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:16,400 Speaker 1: tag number would be. But the Bears, if they franchise Trubisky, 789 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 1: they're basically saying goodbye to Allen Robinson because he's going 790 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: to go and get a bunch of money with these 791 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 1: teams that need weapons. So if I'm if I'm Trubisky, 792 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 1: I'm saying, hey, here's the number. I'll come in with 793 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: a guarantee just below that number, and I'll sign a contract, 794 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna have incentives that can lift me up 795 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: beyond that number, and that would free you up to 796 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,360 Speaker 1: franchise Allen Robinson. But they're in a little bit of 797 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,280 Speaker 1: a mess there with that one. You work with the Eagles, 798 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,759 Speaker 1: the Browns, and the Ravens. You were a scount for them. 799 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 1: But let me ask you what the Eagles were doing 800 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 1: with Nate Sudfeld and when they were doing it with 801 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 1: Nate Sudfeld. Just explain that to me from a football perspective, 802 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:58,720 Speaker 1: a fun office coaching perspective, because you know, us fans 803 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 1: have given our opinion. Yeah, I mean I think that 804 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 1: there's you know, there is something to it, and it's 805 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:06,960 Speaker 1: been done in the past where at the at the 806 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 1: end of the year, maybe the last game or two, 807 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,839 Speaker 1: you want to get a look at some young players. Um, 808 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: and that's fine if you if you come out in 809 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,759 Speaker 1: that game and say, look, we're gonna start this last game. 810 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,799 Speaker 1: Nate Sudfeld has been here for four years. We want 811 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,239 Speaker 1: to see what he can do. We're gonna start Nate 812 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 1: Sudfeld in this game so we can look at him. 813 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,359 Speaker 1: To me, it wasn't the issue of Nate Sudfeld playing 814 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 1: in that game. It was when he played. To me. 815 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 1: It would be like, you're on a concert tour and 816 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 1: you say, we want to give this kid a shot. Yeah, 817 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,879 Speaker 1: well he comes out before the three other acts, before 818 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 1: the main act. You don't. You don't lead up and 819 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,279 Speaker 1: then drop this new guy in at the at the 820 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 1: at the prime portion of the show. And that's kind 821 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,839 Speaker 1: of what happened with And I don't have a problem 822 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 1: with him playing in that game. I just think it 823 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 1: was executed extremely poor. Yeah I do too. I mean 824 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 1: it's that the analogy would be you come out for 825 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: an encore and Nate Peterman is the guy you come 826 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 1: out with the encore. You know you want to hear 827 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:58,520 Speaker 1: Stairway to Heaven and you got Nate Peterman or Nate Sudfeld, 828 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,920 Speaker 1: I should say Ethan Peterman. Same same guy and the 829 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:07,240 Speaker 1: same guy. Oh. They great to talk to you. As always, 830 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,400 Speaker 1: We appreciate your time. Real quick, Dan. Last time I 831 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,560 Speaker 1: was here, you said, nothing behind me football related, and 832 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:14,920 Speaker 1: I said, what am I going to do? Put an 833 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,759 Speaker 1: app State helmet behind me. It's gonna all, said give 834 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 1: me credibility, And you said, well, maybe it would, so 835 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 1: I doubled up. I went. I went, one app State 836 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 1: helmet over one shoulder and another app State helmet over 837 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,759 Speaker 1: the other, just for you. I still don't know what 838 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 1: the wheel it looks like a movie projector yeah, it 839 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,920 Speaker 1: looks like Mickey Mouse ears when it's over my head. 840 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know they got set designers 841 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 1: for this thing, Dan, I don't know. I don't know. 842 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,080 Speaker 1: It's like a boutique. I like, it's just a weird 843 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: Are those flowers real? The flowers are fake? And I 844 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,120 Speaker 1: don't even know how to change a flat tire, so 845 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 1: to me, like having gears behind me is a little 846 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,400 Speaker 1: it's not very authentic. You know. It's like the wheels 847 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 1: are turning. I think, is that what they're trying to do? 848 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,360 Speaker 1: Is that's what happening here? When I ask you questions, 849 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,759 Speaker 1: I can see the wheels turning, even though when I 850 00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,840 Speaker 1: look at it, I think of a movie and film 851 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 1: and I think of a flop, and I just think 852 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,720 Speaker 1: of all the guys I've got wrong going into the draft, 853 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,279 Speaker 1: and I just I'm reminded of it every time I 854 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,440 Speaker 1: look over my shoulder. You've got mouseketeer ears as what 855 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:15,280 Speaker 1: you do. Thank you, Daniel, Daniel Jeremiah, NFL network analysts, 856 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,080 Speaker 1: the Chargers radio color analysts. You can follow him on 857 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 1: Move the Sticks at Move the Sticks and that's the 858 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,960 Speaker 1: podcast as well. 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