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Speaker 2: Commen, what did you think of twenty eight years later?
Speaker 5: Oh my godnes Well, first of all, thank you for
Speaker 5: giving me the floor first, because I do have a
Speaker 5: lot to say about this movie. This was I think
Speaker 5: the out of all the movies I've seen so far
Speaker 5: this year, this has been the movie that has been
Speaker 5: the most thought provoking for me in the sense that
Speaker 5: I can't stop thinking about it and I really want
Speaker 5: people to go see it because I really need to
Speaker 5: talk to people about it, and that's always a hallmark
Speaker 5: of a great movie for me. I don't know about y'all,
Speaker 5: but first of all, I was my whole experience for
Speaker 5: the first half of the movie. I was squirming in
Speaker 5: my seat. I was peeking through my fingers I was
Speaker 5: doing all of that. I was terrified. They really did
Speaker 5: a good job once we went to the mainland of
Speaker 5: the island of like really ratcheting up the tension.
Speaker 6: But the things I really.
Speaker 5: Loved about the movie were just a lot of the
Speaker 5: same things I loved about the original movie, with kind
Speaker 5: of some of the concepts of the second movie kind
Speaker 5: of blended together in my opinion. So the things that
Speaker 5: reminded me of the first movie that I really really
Speaker 5: loved were the camera work. I thought the camera work
Speaker 5: in this movie was so incredible, like.
Speaker 3: We have really unique, like no one else is doing
Speaker 3: it that way use of technology.
Speaker 5: All of the action scenes were using multiple different angles
Speaker 5: as we're kind of looking at like the violence on screen,
Speaker 5: and it really added like this kind of just erraticness
Speaker 5: to watching those scenes. And also the soundtrack. I really
Speaker 5: really loved the soundtrack. Again, I didn't love the soundtracks, yes,
Speaker 5: and I didn't, you know, love the soundtrack as much
Speaker 5: in the second film, but in this movie, it really
Speaker 5: felt like they had done like a return to form here,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 6: One of the things that I really.
Speaker 5: Thought was cool about the soundtrack and sound design was
Speaker 5: that when our characters are relaxing and they're not under
Speaker 5: any danger, you can still hear in the distance there's
Speaker 5: like these screaming and groaning and like this creepy like
Speaker 5: feeling that is like ratcheting up the tension.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 5: I have to say, like, for me, the reason I
Speaker 5: enjoyed the second movie, as we discussed a little bit
Speaker 5: more than the first movie, is because of the kind
Speaker 5: of twisted family dynamic that the second movie brought in,
Speaker 5: and they used the dad in a way that I
Speaker 5: thought was really effective.
Speaker 2: Series hates dads.
Speaker 7: I know, well, yeah, we get a really good dies horrifically, Yes,
Speaker 7: it's all about bad dads.
Speaker 3: But I think like once it's almost like once the
Speaker 3: Brendan Gleasing character dies because of the lies that I'm
Speaker 3: being told about that location and military eternal kind of
Speaker 3: toxic masculinity. There after that everything is bad dad's toxic masculinity.
Speaker 5: It's very interesting, yes, And so I think for me,
Speaker 5: the movie is really thrive when there's a bad dad
Speaker 5: kind of going on, you know, And so I love
Speaker 5: in the second movie, we have the zombie dad constantly
Speaker 5: haunting these kids as they are trying to survive, and
Speaker 5: in this movie, the dad doesn't ever become a zombie,
Speaker 5: but he is actually kind of worse than.
Speaker 2: The zombies, you know, the true villain of the movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, he's the He is the antagonist for Spike, surely.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 5: And I think for me that these movies are at
Speaker 5: best when there's like that child parent misdistrust kind of
Speaker 5: dynamic going on, and so I really enjoyed that aspect
Speaker 5: of it. I will say the things that I kind
Speaker 5: of felt like, humh, they're kind of like keeping up
Speaker 5: with the genre more than setting the tone for the
Speaker 5: genre was at first, I felt like the variants were
Speaker 5: probably inspired by like more recent like zombie video game lore.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the Last of Us.
Speaker 3: It was definitely the slow lows we're giving The Last
Speaker 3: of Us for sure.
Speaker 2: Yes, with the mashroom and the nature.
Speaker 5: Right and even the Alphas reminded me of like just
Speaker 5: that whole kind of pack thing. But yeah, I just
Speaker 5: there's a lot I can say about this movie, but
Speaker 5: I really fucking loved it and I want to see
Speaker 5: it again.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I would love to see it again as well. Joelle,
Speaker 1: your thoughts.
Speaker 8: Deeply fucking weird, which is like in the best possible way,
Speaker 8: like in the way that's just like in the theater,
Speaker 8: I was sitting there and I was elementary. Yeah, no,
Speaker 8: Like it's so surreal. There's a ton of They like
Speaker 8: to insert a lot of stock footage of.
Speaker 9: Britain over the years.
Speaker 8: And repeated actions, right, And something I think is so
Speaker 8: interesting about this film, Like it's clearly about Brexit and isolation, isolationism,
Speaker 8: and you know, a bit about like nationalism, maybe some
Speaker 8: racism thrown in there for good measure, but they're also
Speaker 8: making like these very interesting statements about time and the
Speaker 8: things that are in grain within our cultures that hook us,
Speaker 8: and also about how we take sweet lovely boys and
Speaker 8: tournament to horrible people, and like how do you combat
Speaker 8: against that? If you're a young man right now actively
Speaker 8: trying to engage in the world, how do you fight
Speaker 8: back against this ingrained culture? And I was so incredibly
Speaker 8: moved by these statements, and I loved how strange and
Speaker 8: weird it was. You know, Decarmen's point about the cameras,
Speaker 8: you know, and rewatching the previous films, Like if you
Speaker 8: think about the first film being like very surveillance steady,
Speaker 8: you get a lot of like high angles on people
Speaker 8: walking these deserted and it really like the.
Speaker 3: Early days of having the kind of CCTV that could
Speaker 3: track you for miles, like we all yeah now.
Speaker 8: And then in the second one, it's so military heavy
Speaker 8: that you're getting a lot of like helicopter You're like, yeah,
Speaker 8: a lot of scope shots in the second one, so
Speaker 8: you feel like you're constantly being targeted and there's always
Speaker 8: a weapon on you, and you're sort of being hunted
Speaker 8: in that sense, which winds up being much more terrifying
Speaker 8: than the zombies. Uh. In this one, you spend so
Speaker 8: much time in nature that was to really sort of
Speaker 8: get the feeling of it is like, oh, these are
Speaker 8: like other eyes staring back at me, and that it's
Speaker 8: such a creepy, like subversive way to approach a series
Speaker 8: that has been really locked into technology. There's an absence
Speaker 8: of technology in here that makes this such an interesting
Speaker 8: addition to the series and sort of strips back into
Speaker 8: like almost like the core of like humanity.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 8: If the first ones are sort of like our responses
Speaker 8: to situations, the third one asks is like, is this
Speaker 8: this might actually just be we It's really it's like
Speaker 8: devastating and beautiful, And then I'll just say, like so clever,
Speaker 8: the pitfalls, like the obstacles. You know, every zombie movie
Speaker 8: has great obstacles you have to get through, like a
Speaker 8: house that's protecting you and then becomes like a trap.
Speaker 8: The gas station scene is gonna stick with me forever.
Speaker 8: I loved it, just the floating gas in the room,
Speaker 8: the way that becomes you know, there are zombies outside,
Speaker 8: so they're trapped inside, but the gas is literally poisoning them.
Speaker 8: And it's just like this is such a great, fun,
Speaker 8: imaginative sequence that deals in like real world consequences of
Speaker 8: like longevity, and I just think, like the way they've
Speaker 8: built and expanded this world, I felt immediately connected to.
Speaker 9: All of it. I loved this movie. I liked it
Speaker 9: so high went yeah.
Speaker 3: I think that you touch on something that's like really
Speaker 3: important about like the notion of like nature and like
Speaker 3: how nature connects to humans, because something that is and
Speaker 3: this very specifically British thing to notice, but it has
Speaker 3: been reported on. One of the things that kind of
Speaker 3: blew me away is that when they're walking through the mainland,
Speaker 3: you get this visual of them walking down this this
Speaker 3: valley that in the middle of two valleys is a tree,
Speaker 3: right and the tree is called the Sycamore Gap tree.
Speaker 3: The tree was like one hundred and fifty years old,
Speaker 3: and I instantly recognized it and was.
Speaker 2: Like, wait, how is that there?
Speaker 3: Because that tree, which was one hundred and fifty years
Speaker 3: old in twenty twenty three was just cut down by
Speaker 3: rammom vandals, local vandals, and so they actually recreated the
Speaker 3: tree digitally as like an homage to the tree. Well,
Speaker 3: I also think there's something very interesting there about like
Speaker 3: the themes of nature and the way humans impact nature,
Speaker 3: and the choices that humans make that just like selfish choices. Act.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a yeah, sorry, go ahead, no, no, go for it,
Speaker 1: go for it, I was gonna say. I think uh.
Speaker 1: I really responded to that too as well, Joelle, And
Speaker 1: I think for me it was interesting to me how
Speaker 1: part of this the experience of this film for me
Speaker 1: was this idea that humans are kind of the side
Speaker 1: show mm hmm. On in England, on the on the
Speaker 1: islands that were formerly known as the UK, it's real
Speaker 1: nature is king once again. The infected are part of
Speaker 1: this kind of like natural landscape that includes like you know,
Speaker 1: newly replenished hordes of deer, Like like we're back in
Speaker 1: the prehistoric ages and people are just kind of one
Speaker 1: of several species that are roaming here in a kind
Speaker 1: of balance with nature. And I found that really interesting.
Speaker 1: The other thing I've been thinking a lot, a lot
Speaker 1: about is that you mentioned the intercutting of different historical
Speaker 1: scenes and movies and stock footage from World War One,
Speaker 1: et cetera. This idea of young men throughout the ages.
Speaker 1: You know, I think as an American medieval yeah, as
Speaker 1: an American, as an American, we don't. It's hard to
Speaker 1: engage with an idea of a history that goes back
Speaker 1: thousands of years as as history there does, and that
Speaker 1: kind of continuum of this visual of medieval soldiers, you know,
Speaker 1: shooting arrows at this oncoming like rushing nights and cavalry
Speaker 1: and the actual like the historical idea of the longbow,
Speaker 1: the development of the longbow in England as this you know,
Speaker 1: cutting edge weapon that helped them win you know, many
Speaker 1: famous battles, particularly during the One Hundred Years War, and
Speaker 1: then to see Spike and then the young men of
Speaker 1: this community being taught how to use this weapon that
Speaker 1: has been in you know now is back after a
Speaker 1: thousand years. All of it was was. It's very deep
Speaker 1: and I'm still thinking a lot about it. And what
Speaker 1: makes it even more interesting to me is the way
Speaker 1: this film critiques that culture. Yeah, it's at once saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: here's how we survived all these years, right, all these
Speaker 1: thousands of years, these many centuries. It's this kind of
Speaker 1: warlike face that we show people, but we maintain that
Speaker 1: warlike face by lying about, yeah, what goes on about
Speaker 1: what really happens. It's dad's taking young men out to
Speaker 1: kill and then coming back to the community and saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was awesome.
Speaker 2: It was so cool.
Speaker 1: And that criticism is so interesting, you know, it makes
Speaker 1: me think of this is kind of a digression, but
Speaker 1: I'm reading this book called A Bend in the River.
Speaker 1: It's about this like a family from India that lives
Speaker 1: in Africa and they have a small they have like
Speaker 1: a small shop at this bend in the river. And
Speaker 1: one of the things that the main narrator notes is that,
Speaker 1: you know, because he's feeling like defeated by colonialism and
Speaker 1: how powerful and efficient the colonial powers are at like
Speaker 1: subjugating everybody, and they put this statue up in the
Speaker 1: town of like, you know, the heroes of colonialism, and
Speaker 1: he says, you know, the the Europeans, they want golden
Speaker 1: slaves like everybody else, but they also want to put
Speaker 1: up monuments saying how great they are and how good
Speaker 1: they were, and that's kind of like this. It's like,
Speaker 1: on the one hand, this is why you're a great culture,
Speaker 1: it's like part of this this warlike thing, but also
Speaker 1: you want to pretend that you're good at the same time.
Speaker 1: And it's that friction that has me fascinated with this movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think that's a really great point, especially
Speaker 3: as there is like a simmering, secret kind of culture
Speaker 3: that bubbles underneath what we see of the island. Like
Speaker 3: there are these hints that were really big in the
Speaker 3: tray Law of like a cult or the rules that yeah, the.
Speaker 2: Follow the masque.
Speaker 1: We never really dive into what the mask is.
Speaker 3: About, you know, and even like the way that they
Speaker 3: have the banner behind them, the kind of tapestry that's
Speaker 3: like fail we can, but like go on we must
Speaker 3: or something like. And there's definitely feels like there's some
Speaker 3: other secretive, strange, kind of folk horror ish addition.
Speaker 2: To that culture that we have yet to see. It
Speaker 2: feels like it's going to be team explore ones.
Speaker 5: I definitely, yeah, I definitely feel like it's going to
Speaker 5: be explored more on the second movie because we're literally
Speaker 5: going to be following the perspective of Spike, who is
Speaker 5: now like removed from the community, and he'll be able
Speaker 5: to like actually see how other people are living and
Speaker 5: realizing like, oh, maybe where I'm from is actually kind
Speaker 5: of fucked up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that's the weird place.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, And we kind of talked about this
Speaker 3: when we were in pre pro. But the trailer for
Speaker 3: this movie was like unbelievably popular, became the most watched
Speaker 3: horror trailer in twenty twenty four, had sixty million views,
Speaker 3: second biggest.
Speaker 2: I think this is Sony. I think this is meant
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 3: Second biggest horror trailer of all time, but behind it
Speaker 3: Chapter two with ninety six million views. But as we
Speaker 3: were kind of talking about, there is some stuff in
Speaker 3: the trailer that we don't see in the finish movie,
Speaker 3: which we know is common, but here feels maybe like
Speaker 3: a little bit more of an interesting kind of twist.
Speaker 3: Like Joel and Jason, I know, you guys were looking
Speaker 3: back at that trailer before we started recording, Joelle, could
Speaker 3: you talk a little bit about your feelings on kind
Speaker 3: of because the trailer does lean into just how weird
Speaker 3: this movie is and how surreal, but it also does
Speaker 3: showcase stuff that we don't see in the finish movie
Speaker 3: in a way that feels like maybe not a studio
Speaker 3: choice and maybe more of a filmmaker choice.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Possibly, I would be curious to see who got final
Speaker 8: cut on the trailers. Sometimes a director can negotiate with
Speaker 8: the studio to have final cut on the trailer and
Speaker 8: they get to like decide what it's gonna look like.
Speaker 8: But a lot of times that happens is you just
Speaker 8: get an ass load of footage and then they're like
Speaker 8: make it a trailer, and so you don't really know
Speaker 8: like which cuts are going to be in the movie,
Speaker 8: and so that's why you get a discrepancy sometimes, Like
Speaker 8: looking at the stuff, everything looked like scenes we saw
Speaker 8: from what I could tell you, different angles. Yeah, Like
Speaker 8: it's appeared to me to be different angles, different takes.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 8: Maybe at one point we were like we weren't sure
Speaker 8: how this character was gonna enter. I didn't see anything
Speaker 8: to me that looked like, oh, this might be from
Speaker 8: the second installment of this series. Uh, but I do
Speaker 8: think that the choice to really lean into the culti
Speaker 8: horror vibes was a good one because we love we
Speaker 8: love a mystery, you know. I really feel like we're
Speaker 8: in a moment as a culture right now, a lot
Speaker 8: of cold docs, a lot of learning about like what
Speaker 8: the TikTok houses are like in real life. And I'm
Speaker 8: okay with it because I think if you had tried
Speaker 8: to sell it as the political zombie film that it is,
Speaker 8: people would have been like, this is weird and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, one million percent.
Speaker 9: Yes.
Speaker 3: Also, another thing that's really different about this movie, and Jason,
Speaker 3: after your kind of thoughts about the colonial aspects.
Speaker 2: And the kind of looking back at history, I'd love
Speaker 2: to know your thoughts on this.
Speaker 3: But also like, this movie doesn't really have like a
Speaker 3: lot of guns. It doesn't really have a lot of
Speaker 3: military It doesn't have a lot of military presence.
Speaker 2: The hordes are further away, there is a lot.
Speaker 3: Less urgency because if they'd have stayed on the island,
Speaker 3: they probably wouldn't have interacted with the zombie. So how
Speaker 3: do you feel like that changes the film? Because it
Speaker 3: is a different in that way the status quo is
Speaker 3: very different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the first two movies are kind of
Speaker 1: infused with this sadness of a world that's gone on.
Speaker 1: This movie, it's almost saying, hey, this is a you know,
Speaker 1: these people are living with their hanging on to life,
Speaker 1: like buy their fingernails. But doesn't it have its advantages too?
Speaker 1: Doesn't it have something to offer as well? Isn't nature beautiful?
Speaker 1: Like look at how the deer are back, there's no.
Speaker 2: In their nature.
Speaker 1: Again, it struck me and I'm am I right about this.
Speaker 1: There is no human on human vibe. There's no non
Speaker 1: infected human on human violence in this film.
Speaker 6: Except for when except for when Age slaps his kid.
Speaker 2: Right, there's no.
Speaker 1: Soldiers killing other soldiers.
Speaker 2: There's no un of like, yes are the West. It's
Speaker 2: even the monkster and the human and.
Speaker 1: Who is And this is even the movie that's seeks
Speaker 1: the the you know, the entrant into this franchise that
Speaker 1: seeks to humanize the infected more than any of the
Speaker 1: other ones. Oh to the point that the the alpha
Speaker 1: Samson is never killed. He's only given name so that
Speaker 1: they can get away.
Speaker 2: And so I think.
Speaker 1: That the lack of guns and the separation and the
Speaker 1: time that has passed, and this we get this wonderful
Speaker 1: juxtaposition when we get the wonderful comic relief when when
Speaker 1: edic shows up. But I think that, you know, I
Speaker 1: think that there is an aspect to this film and
Speaker 1: this story that you know, in the era of climate
Speaker 1: change that's almost saying like, hey, isn't a lack of technic,
Speaker 1: Like it's not what anybody would immediately leap for a
Speaker 1: world in which we eschew technology and go back to
Speaker 1: this kind of more in the land, kind of unibomber uh,
Speaker 1: you know, manifesto type of lifestyle. But does it not
Speaker 1: have something to offer as well? And that was I
Speaker 1: think that's really interesting to.
Speaker 9: Pick up on that, Jason.
Speaker 8: I really feel like the first two movies are about
Speaker 8: surviving and trying to get back to an equilibrium. This
Speaker 8: feels like it's dead and you have to let it go,
Speaker 8: like the momentary thing has hit so hard over and
Speaker 8: over again, and knowing that's.
Speaker 1: Going to be the.
Speaker 8: Main point of the next film. I guess it's called
Speaker 8: Oh my god.
Speaker 6: There's Temple, Bone Temple.
Speaker 1: I'm really why not Bonehenge?
Speaker 2: Why we call it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's our official Combo T shirt for the next
Speaker 3: one Bone.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 8: I think like the idea of there's life after this,
Speaker 8: but only if you accept this one is gone, especially
Speaker 8: if we look at like our kids last like Spike's
Speaker 8: last decision is really like I'm gonna get this baby
Speaker 8: to safety and then actually all of you.
Speaker 9: Yeah beautiful, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: It's really clever, and it's also quite surprising because of
Speaker 3: how much we are used to like with whether it's
Speaker 3: like the Road or the Last of Us or these
Speaker 3: ideas of like or walking dead, like oh well, even
Speaker 3: if it's a kid, they're gonna take the baby with
Speaker 3: them and it's gonna be this kind of like lone
Speaker 3: wolf cub situation. And it's said He's like, no, I'm
Speaker 3: like twelve, like you guys, look after the baby, and
Speaker 3: I'm going to see my my weird stuff.
Speaker 1: He's following in the footsteps of his father and just
Speaker 1: kind of yeah, the child child, are you right, because
Speaker 1: he is well, he can't take he can't.
Speaker 2: He doesn't know to keep it a baby alive.
Speaker 3: But okay, before we take a quick break, this is
Speaker 3: a very weird film, So just quick predictions. Will the
Speaker 3: general audience embrace this like, well, are you guessing for
Speaker 3: an you think it's gonna be a yes, Jason were
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be a cinema school. I think
Speaker 3: this is gonna be a B plus. I think it's
Speaker 3: gonna be high.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a cinema score a because
Speaker 1: I think the interesting parts of as we mentioned, the
Speaker 1: kind of like interesting things to think about, are so
Speaker 1: well layered under zombie action that you know there they
Speaker 1: will not hinder anybody going to the cinema to see it.
Speaker 1: And I think it's been a great horror We're in
Speaker 1: a great horror spring and horror summer, and I think
Speaker 1: there's nothing else like it in the movie theater no,
Speaker 1: and that we've reached a point where the fans of
Speaker 1: the series who are adults will go see it, and
Speaker 1: you've got the younger horror generation that will be interested
Speaker 1: as well. And I think it's gonna be I think
Speaker 1: it's going to bang.
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Give and I think it's been a decent sized hit
Speaker 1: for the summer.
Speaker 8: Okay, I'm gonna be a cynic. I what everything Jason
Speaker 8: said to be true. I will want this reality to
Speaker 8: come to fruition. I have a feeling it's going to
Speaker 8: do great the first week, and then people will be like,
Speaker 8: I don't get it and be confused by it.
Speaker 9: No, I think that yeah because I think yeah.
Speaker 8: Like because because it's strange, it might be hard for
Speaker 8: some people to connect to. But then also there's I
Speaker 8: don't want to say a lack of violence overall. They
Speaker 8: have the zombies there there, there's some cool sequences, but
Speaker 8: it is not the Bang bang, shoot them up, run
Speaker 8: giant hoards, blood everywhere, like.
Speaker 9: Vibes of the past.
Speaker 4: Too.
Speaker 8: It's different, I think in all of the best ways,
Speaker 8: and with keeping the tone and like affection that those
Speaker 8: other films had for the genre. Like it's all still there,
Speaker 8: but it's displayed very differently. And I wonder if, like
Speaker 8: your average Joe doesn't I think the cinema under if
Speaker 8: you're on like a letterbox sort of situation. I think
Speaker 8: that crew is going to be into it, but I
Speaker 8: just what I'm worried the jet Pop's gonna be like,
Speaker 8: I don't get this weird arty film.
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean I think how hot? How low do
Speaker 3: you think? I think it's good enough that the cinema school.
Speaker 3: The lowest is going to get is going to be
Speaker 3: like a c I don't think.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I would be shocked.
Speaker 2: Yeah that would be shocking. Yeah yeah, Okay, Calmin, what
Speaker 2: do you think?
Speaker 5: I think it. I think it'll get a bee. I
Speaker 5: I feel pretty good about it. I've heard, you know,
Speaker 5: people are really confused about the ending. But I do
Speaker 5: want to say, as the average.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited to talk about that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, as the average cinemager, you know person.
Speaker 6: I loved it. I had a lot of fun watching it.
Speaker 5: I didn't fully understand it until I started talking to
Speaker 5: you guys about it, because Jason knows a lot more
Speaker 5: about world history than I do, Rosie knows a lot
Speaker 5: more about UK history than I do, and so I
Speaker 5: think as an American who is kind of like not
Speaker 5: as tuned into those things as as everyone else, some
Speaker 5: of that stuff went over my head. But then after
Speaker 5: I underst stood it, I was like, oh, that makes
Speaker 5: this is like so it's like you know, Galaxy brain.
Speaker 6: I was like, whoa, you know, Like, this is amazing.
Speaker 5: So I think it's gonna be one of those movies
Speaker 5: that might be like kind of like a Bee at first,
Speaker 5: but then over time people are really gonna be like, Wow,
Speaker 5: this is an amazing movie because it is such an
Speaker 5: art house movie for a horror movie, and even if
Speaker 5: you don't understand what's going on, you can appreciate the
Speaker 5: kind of craftsmanship that went into making a movie. You know.
Speaker 3: Well, let's let's talk a bit more about that after
Speaker 3: we go to a quick break from our sponsor's hell
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Speaker 1: We're back, We're back. Let's talk about the cast in
Speaker 1: this because incredible cast. First of all, I was a
Speaker 1: little worried initially that I was like, is Jody Comer
Speaker 1: just going to be sick in bed for this entire
Speaker 1: It was worrisome, right, and then that's absolutely not know
Speaker 1: what happens and she becomes very ass, kicks ass and becomes,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of like the major emotional catalyst of
Speaker 1: this film. You know, it's really through her life that
Speaker 1: we understand what this movie is about. What struck you
Speaker 1: about any of the performances in this Let's start with you, Carmen.
Speaker 6: I once again I'm amazed by the child's actors.
Speaker 9: And Alfie.
Speaker 6: I thought, yes, Alfie, is that the boy who plays.
Speaker 5: Spike Williams yea Al Williams plays Spike, and I also
Speaker 5: thought even the opening scene are called open with those
Speaker 5: that room of little blonde kids.
Speaker 6: That looked like with you, they did a great job
Speaker 6: freaking a yeah.
Speaker 1: They looked so authentically scared.
Speaker 5: The girl was like holding back her tears while she
Speaker 5: was like hearing what was going on. And so I
Speaker 5: was stunned by the child. I'm always when when child
Speaker 5: doctors do an amazing job, I'm like, hell, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: But that was the highlight for me, Joelle, what about you, Joelle?
Speaker 9: As we know, I have number one Aaron Taylor Johnson.
Speaker 9: Stan this conversation and we were talking a little bit.
Speaker 8: So Danny was at our screening and she had mentioned
Speaker 8: like she was looking at billboards and she was like,
Speaker 8: it's so weird to me that, like on the billboards
Speaker 8: you have Alex Garland and Danny Boyle, but not Jodi Comer.
Speaker 8: Aaron Taylor Johnson now atj has had a string of
Speaker 8: not great movies that he is the lead in, which
Speaker 8: is a problem. But I still think he's a household name.
Speaker 8: I think like your average parent is like I remember
Speaker 8: Erir Taylor Johnson.
Speaker 9: I know that kid. To not put him on the
Speaker 9: poster at all.
Speaker 3: Now, no, no, no, this is not I don't think that
Speaker 3: is a reflection of.
Speaker 2: Either of those actors.
Speaker 3: I think it is a choice to play into the
Speaker 3: art house nature and this huge moment of these two
Speaker 3: big visionary British creators like working together again and to
Speaker 3: put the focus on that rather than who is in
Speaker 3: the movie. I don't think it's a Jodi Coma issue,
Speaker 3: or an Aaron Taylor Johnson or a Ray Finds issue.
Speaker 3: I think it's a I think it's like an artistic
Speaker 3: choice to be like, hey, the artisans behind this movie
Speaker 3: are the people who are gonna like be why you
Speaker 3: see the movie? Now?
Speaker 2: Is that true? I think the class should have got
Speaker 2: shout outs, but I think.
Speaker 3: It's less about their quality and more about like a
Speaker 3: message that they were trying to put across the creators.
Speaker 8: Especially if you think about like time on screen, they're
Speaker 8: pretty like the like the three adult leads, uh share
Speaker 8: about an equal amount of time. So there really is
Speaker 8: no clear like lead other than Alfie, who's.
Speaker 9: You know, an unknown child actor.
Speaker 8: And so it does make sense to me, and it's
Speaker 8: kind of again I keep saying it, I will keep
Speaker 8: seeing it. I really think movies are back in a
Speaker 8: way that feels so tangible and real to me. I'm
Speaker 8: like the kids, like, you don't know what going to
Speaker 8: the movies? You selling my father, don't know what going
Speaker 8: through movies? You sound like it's so freaking cool, Like
Speaker 8: you would be there like two or three times a week.
Speaker 8: You have your like weekend warriors, Like just going to
Speaker 8: the movies used to be the it thing, and so like,
Speaker 8: I love this idea of us continuing to celebrate creators
Speaker 8: all of like an early nineties sort of resurgence of
Speaker 8: indie film. And I think given the state of the
Speaker 8: film industry, like that's where a lot of people have
Speaker 8: been predicting it's going to go, is that we're gonna
Speaker 8: come back to these like smaller, like artist driven film projects.
Speaker 8: So that's exciting. But on the actor front, I just
Speaker 8: listen Aaron Taylor playing a bad dad I thought would
Speaker 8: end it for me.
Speaker 9: It didn't.
Speaker 6: I was still into it.
Speaker 8: I was like, wow, this is crazy, still hot as hell,
Speaker 8: and it does such a good job. Like I was
Speaker 8: really moved by this performance that he gave.
Speaker 1: Is so.
Speaker 9: It's just so like tense and then.
Speaker 8: Out of control and sort of fearing back and forth
Speaker 8: between those elegantly, you know, not ever really going over
Speaker 8: the top. It's really hard to sort of control like
Speaker 8: out of control on screen. It's a difficult thing for
Speaker 8: an actor to do. And then for Jody Darling, Jody
Speaker 8: like best like awesome, like be out of your mind
Speaker 8: and so convincingly, and then coming back and also doing
Speaker 8: these like really like intense like fight scene, which is
Speaker 8: not like a challenging sequence like we're used to, but
Speaker 8: in the way of like.
Speaker 9: You guys, fake fighting.
Speaker 8: Is hard, like trying to convincently throw a person's head
Speaker 8: into a wall. It's really challenging, and she just gives
Speaker 8: it one hundred and always lands. I just I'm as
Speaker 8: sounded by not just the performances, but I think the
Speaker 8: writing of these characters is always so good in this series,
Speaker 8: Like you're always like even cheating Dad the worst in
Speaker 8: twenty eight weeks later, I hate him so much that
Speaker 8: Charter is so intriguing, Like, Wow, this is an actual
Speaker 8: coward who can stand on nothing. He'll lie to to
Speaker 8: do everything, and then makes the dumbest decision to kiss
Speaker 8: his wife. You're just like, what, this man is an idiot,
Speaker 8: But I'm so Intriguedally is as a person that I
Speaker 8: enjoy following his story.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Let's okay. Before before we start, then we hit a question.
Speaker 1: We had the idea of starting a X ray vision.
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Speaker 10: paywall in which we just gossip about stuff.
Speaker 1: So let me just like in the most put it
Speaker 1: out there. First of all, I agree with you atj
Speaker 1: like why he's not a star is fascinating, Like I'm
Speaker 1: a super handsome guy, incredible actor, like this crazy range.
Speaker 1: But yes, this is a hard role because he's got
Speaker 1: to be on the one hand, he's got to come
Speaker 1: off initially like oh man, I wish my dad was
Speaker 1: like this, and then he's got to show you the
Speaker 1: brittleness of this facade that he's putting up, and then
Speaker 1: it's got a crack. And it's in a lot of
Speaker 1: ways an unforgiving role because you realize halfway through his
Speaker 1: performance that like, you hate this guy, and and we're wondering, like, wow, okay,
Speaker 1: I believe that he's not a star, and I believe
Speaker 1: that's kind of like I agree that there's like a
Speaker 1: household man. Now we understand who he is, but I
Speaker 1: do think objectively he's not a star or things like
Speaker 1: you know, Craven wouldn't have happened, you know, not one
Speaker 1: his fault, but there's other things like that. And it
Speaker 1: struck me that I think part of the missing ingredient
Speaker 1: is and we talked about this before the mics went on,
Speaker 1: you look at an actor who's this talented, who is
Speaker 1: this good looking. It is so notable to me that
Speaker 1: he does not have a role in his resume in
Speaker 1: which he falls in love with the with the coast,
Speaker 1: with the character other character in the story, or they
Speaker 1: fall in love with him. There's no role that he
Speaker 1: has played where being in love is part of it,
Speaker 1: part of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it seems.
Speaker 1: Like such a hole to me, because that's part of
Speaker 1: what makes you a star, you know, It's like the
Speaker 1: Legends of the Fall with you know, for Brad Pitt,
Speaker 1: it's that kind of thing that like elevates you, even
Speaker 1: if it's it's not like a critically acclaimed movie. It
Speaker 1: widens your appeal. And it's that widening of appeal that
Speaker 1: makes you a star. And I think that's missing for Aaron.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it definitely is an I think my argument would be,
Speaker 3: and I'm also an Aaron Taylor Johnson stan My argument
Speaker 3: would be where his career is at right now, he
Speaker 3: is more of a really great character actor because whenever
Speaker 3: he shows up in something right like he was in
Speaker 3: he showed up in Tenet, a movie that everybody hated,
Speaker 3: but the moment he showed up, You're like, oh, this
Speaker 3: is so interesting and dynamic and like he's basically just
Speaker 3: playing like a military grunt, but you're so interested in
Speaker 3: the way he chooses to play it.
Speaker 2: And then the same with.
Speaker 3: Uh oh, he had an absolute breakout character role. Also
Speaker 3: another very horny role for Aaron because in this he
Speaker 3: does he does continue eat out summer as we are
Speaker 3: now calling.
Speaker 2: Sinners.
Speaker 3: Ah, everyone should eat out the summer, guys.
Speaker 2: In horror movies. We got sinners, we got this movie.
Speaker 3: And in nos Varatu, you know, he loves his wife
Speaker 3: so much that he like fucks so when she's dead.
Speaker 3: I mean, very insane characterracter type performances. And the other
Speaker 3: one that I think about a lot is the really
Speaker 3: honestly like not great movie The Kingsman, which was like
Speaker 3: the third Kingsman movie that's about the King's.
Speaker 2: Prequel, The King's man, and it's.
Speaker 3: About like and they tried to do like a weird
Speaker 3: Avengers style, like yes, it was really bad. In that movie,
Speaker 3: Aaron Taylor Johnson shows up no joke, like twenty minutes
Speaker 3: and it is the most heartbreaking, unbelievable performance.
Speaker 2: It's all about like the horrors of World War One.
Speaker 3: I think that when he shows up and gives his all,
Speaker 3: he just makes a movie shine. But I have yet
Speaker 3: to see a movie that puts him in the lead
Speaker 3: that has taken advantage of that ability.
Speaker 9: And I think the kick Ass, right, yeah, kick Ass.
Speaker 8: He's such a standout like star, there's no there's some
Speaker 8: romantic chemistry, but it's not the sort of like sweeping
Speaker 8: like grand central part of the plot.
Speaker 9: So kind forget yeah their kids exactly and.
Speaker 8: So like it's crazy because after seeing that movie, I thought, oh,
Speaker 8: for sure, like this guy's got next, Like he's got all.
Speaker 9: Of the components. It would behoove him. I think to
Speaker 9: take sort of a sweeping We do have.
Speaker 8: Anakarin in a but that movie's not great and for
Speaker 8: whatever reason, not sparking.
Speaker 2: They do not have a lot of chemistry.
Speaker 3: And also it's a very specific like Joe Wright was
Speaker 3: really in his like you know.
Speaker 2: Yes moment, like.
Speaker 3: It's not necessarily about that Aaron Taylor Johnson in a
Speaker 3: rom com Why haven't I seen it? Or it seems
Speaker 3: like it would make so much sense apart from when
Speaker 3: he was in his whole career began with angus thongs
Speaker 3: of full frontal snogging where he was the lead for
Speaker 3: romantic Lead.
Speaker 2: It was based on an English book Shocked.
Speaker 1: Me, Let Me, Let me just throw something at you,
Speaker 1: Normal People, but it starred Aaron Taylor Johnson.
Speaker 9: Oh, I'm unwell.
Speaker 1: Where the role that that made us think there is
Speaker 1: some juice.
Speaker 3: Okay, because I'm saying if Aaron Taylor Johnson is in
Speaker 3: Normal People and he and then Aaron Taylor Johnson gets
Speaker 3: crossing Gladiator too, we might have been having a different
Speaker 3: discussion about what might.
Speaker 2: Have been what might happen to me?
Speaker 1: I'm like, where is the where's that? Where's the normal people?
Speaker 1: And we are in this kind of era of like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of romance fiction. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: romance like it's.
Speaker 11: In a way, yeah it hasn't before, in a way,
Speaker 11: where's the story for this, like incredibly fucking guy, It's
Speaker 11: a mystery to me what.
Speaker 5: About Johnson and Baby Girl.
Speaker 9: For the role the controversy Spicy Carmon.
Speaker 2: Get out.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say anything else.
Speaker 12: I'm not gonna say anything album save for hot topic,
Speaker 12: Babe subscribers. Okay, Aaron Johnson he is.
Speaker 2: He does give his.
Speaker 3: Last big moment as he kind of runs into the
Speaker 3: sea and he screams after his son, and you kind
Speaker 3: of feel this lot control and you think, wow, this
Speaker 3: is such a powerful way to end this really serious movement.
Speaker 3: What could ever happened change that smash Cat meet the
Speaker 3: Jimmy's Baby. How did you guys feel about the final
Speaker 3: five minutes?
Speaker 8: I think I grabbed you and I screening, I was like,
Speaker 8: what is screaming?
Speaker 6: I was like, what's happening?
Speaker 2: What this?
Speaker 9: And you don't know there's a sequel coming?
Speaker 2: Like you'd wait, and also like why is it this?
Speaker 3: Another connection to Sinners here is that Jack O'Connell stars
Speaker 3: in like an insane guest role. Now we do not
Speaker 3: get as much of him as we do with Remiic
Speaker 3: obviously because Remick is the antagonist of Sinners, but it
Speaker 3: is unbelievable and he shows up in his purple tracksuit
Speaker 3: with his tabor on and he's like, oh hi, I'm
Speaker 3: Jimmy the pals and and they kind of jump and
Speaker 3: they have this crazy action sequenced like Kung Fu fight moment.
Speaker 2: For me, I did.
Speaker 3: I I really did like this movie a lot, and
Speaker 3: I was looking at it from a very objective like, Wow,
Speaker 3: this is so well made. I think that ending just
Speaker 3: kind of tied everything together for me of like, you
Speaker 3: know what, you guys are really going for it, and
Speaker 3: that's when we kind of that's when we learn that
Speaker 3: Jimmy is not Jamie the bad dad played by Aaron
Speaker 3: Taylor Johnson.
Speaker 2: We assume throughout the.
Speaker 3: Movie that's who he is is he's the survivor of
Speaker 3: the Telly Tubby massacre, let's call it.
Speaker 2: And uh no, it's actually not.
Speaker 3: It's Jack O'Connell's Jimmy and his team of track suited
Speaker 3: Jimmy who will wear blonde wigs. And my theory because
Speaker 3: of how much they use VHS footage and b ROW
Speaker 3: footage that I pitched on mine and Jason's recap is
Speaker 3: I think that like they basically are going to be
Speaker 3: revealed to have like taught themselves how to fight via
Speaker 3: totally love and please can I go a little further.
Speaker 1: I would love it, I think, because I'm like, when
Speaker 1: did did Guy Richie direct the last five?
Speaker 2: Right? Truly?
Speaker 1: And so I almost wonder if there's not gonna be
Speaker 1: a flashback where we realized like they had Teletubbies and Snatch.
Speaker 2: Love thats too.
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's so much happening because Miami heat thought was like, oh,
Speaker 8: this is very like King George, all like the animated Robinhood.
Speaker 8: Then you get very Robinhood asked of, like hey, we're
Speaker 8: a gang of like not kinds, but like people traveling
Speaker 8: protecting folks, and like it's it's such like a mash
Speaker 8: like a dichotomy mashup of like two distart like and.
Speaker 3: Just visually it looks insane competitive rest of.
Speaker 1: And then there's I mean, the fact that you have
Speaker 1: people doing backflips into like martial in the.
Speaker 3: Craziest like color track suits like the brightest most.
Speaker 2: Side and I love them.
Speaker 1: There's this like introduction to of Jimmy's exaggerated kind of
Speaker 1: posh persona.
Speaker 3: Where I'm su Jimmy like I'm Jow and he asks,
Speaker 3: you know, very politely, well, there's too many now coming,
Speaker 3: is it?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: If we step in and just like asks like, hey,
Speaker 1: can we get involved in the fight, like it is
Speaker 1: so weird. I do want to row, Yeah, it's your
Speaker 1: gen pop like question. I do wonder how gen pop
Speaker 1: will take this because it is a hard laughter.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Really, I think for some people it's gonna like ruin
Speaker 3: the movie.
Speaker 6: That's what I've been hearing.
Speaker 3: But I feel like I feel like one I'm gonna reveal,
Speaker 3: and I just kind of a light trigger warning it
Speaker 3: because this person was just so evil in real life,
Speaker 3: but I'm gonna reveal the dark influence on this that
Speaker 3: I think makes it deeply into the thing. There was
Speaker 3: a guy who was a very famous kids TV presenter
Speaker 3: in England called Jimmy Saville who wore a track suit
Speaker 3: like that, who was one of the most abhorrent humans
Speaker 3: who's ever lived, like a complete monster. Don't google it
Speaker 3: if you don't want to know, google it if you
Speaker 3: do want to know. I'm not going to get into
Speaker 3: it anymore. But the fact that this character is called
Speaker 3: Jimmy grew up in the early two thousands wear's the tracksuit.
Speaker 3: He had a show called jim Will Fix It where
Speaker 3: he went around helping kids. That was kind of guyes
Speaker 3: so I do think that on a British pop culture
Speaker 3: level that is not an accident. So I wonder if
Speaker 3: in England it will give people that kind of unsettling feeling.
Speaker 2: For me, I didn't read that.
Speaker 3: Like when I watched the movie, I was just loving
Speaker 3: how weird it was, but afterwards I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: there's no way, sir Jimmy Jimmy Savile's knighted. I don't
Speaker 3: think there's any way that this is not some kind
Speaker 3: of again, another weird, dark reflection about TV and movies
Speaker 3: and how they raise us, and also like what's better
Speaker 3: without technology or what don't they know? Yeah, I'm not surprised,
Speaker 3: and I think, if I'm not mistaken, in two thousand
Speaker 3: and two.
Speaker 2: They would not have known the truth of Jimmy Savill.
Speaker 2: That's the either thing.
Speaker 3: So it hadn't I don't think it had broken yet,
Speaker 3: so they could have grown up thinking that this guy
Speaker 3: is like a good person and that like is something
Speaker 3: they remember from being kids. So I think there's like
Speaker 3: a lot of extra layers to it, which I'm hoping
Speaker 3: at least in international markets or in English markets, or
Speaker 3: maybe I don't know, maybe the TikTok kids who love
Speaker 3: true crime, who kind of combo that with horror. Maybe
Speaker 3: there's a world where once it's explored, it hits people
Speaker 3: a little deeper. But it is like, I do not
Speaker 3: blame the people I've seen on IMDb or letterbox two
Speaker 3: are like, what the fuck was.
Speaker 2: The last five minutes? I don't want to see the
Speaker 2: next movie now, But.
Speaker 3: I think that they're I think it's creepy on many
Speaker 3: levels and could hint at many different versions of kind
Speaker 3: of like where the story goes next.
Speaker 5: I thought the way that they oh, oh sorry, I
Speaker 5: was gonna say, I thought it was really cool. The
Speaker 5: way that they hinted at Jimmy. Throughout the movie we
Speaker 5: see Jimmy written on the back of the person that
Speaker 5: has been hung up inside the house.
Speaker 6: We see it says on.
Speaker 5: One of the barns from one of the area Jimmy
Speaker 5: comes from the clouds or something like that. And once,
Speaker 5: even though I had no idea what the fuck was
Speaker 5: going on, I was like, Oh, this is so cool.
Speaker 6: They tied it all. They tied it all.
Speaker 3: That was the thing as well, because also they when
Speaker 3: we when the dad Aaron Taylor John says, Jamie and
Speaker 3: our kids Spike are like going through you saw that
Speaker 3: the house had Jimmy scraped on the side, so like
Speaker 3: you were like, well, that's the reason he knows because
Speaker 3: obviously when he was younger, he would come here and
Speaker 3: you know, but it's not him. And yeah, I'm very
Speaker 3: excited to see how that's typically lands.
Speaker 2: Because I also like for someone who is you know.
Speaker 3: More of a less of a gem pop viewer and
Speaker 3: more of like a weird B movie viewer. I actually
Speaker 3: think that and kind of sells it more and will
Speaker 3: make people like intrigued.
Speaker 2: So yeah, how intrigued are we.
Speaker 3: Going forward to twenty eight years later? Bone Temple, Like,
Speaker 3: how excited are you for that?
Speaker 2: Jason?
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm very excited. I mean, I'm like you, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm one of these letterbox coastal elites.
Speaker 3: Correct, how watched two hundred and sixty seven movies this year?
Speaker 2: Baby, I don't do anything important.
Speaker 1: Who loves, you know, nothing more than a huge swing
Speaker 1: in a movie, even if it doesn't land, you know,
Speaker 1: like listen, I love a big bucket of popcorn movies.
Speaker 1: We obviously love Marvel movies and comic book movies and
Speaker 1: some of the most popular stuff out there. And maybe
Speaker 1: because of that. I love when movies like this do
Speaker 1: something super super weird. So very excited, super excited that
Speaker 1: Killian Murphy's coming back. I wonder who else will come
Speaker 1: back from that original cast. Yes, and I'm really excited
Speaker 1: to see again this kind of Canterbury tales, like wandering
Speaker 1: through what this island is like? Now, I'm very excited
Speaker 1: for it.
Speaker 2: What about you, Joelle?
Speaker 9: I can't wait Nia DaCosta is here, guys.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: I love the Candy Man remake.
Speaker 9: I thought it was effing brilliant.
Speaker 8: I cannot wait to see what she does with this,
Speaker 8: and especially given like where like the Sharp Turn sort
Speaker 8: of allows her to do whatever she wants artistically in
Speaker 8: her approaching the next one. It's sort of really kicked
Speaker 8: open the door to be like, bring your sense of
Speaker 8: self to the page. And so I'm excited to see
Speaker 8: what she does with it.
Speaker 3: And my understanding as well is like the Bone Temple
Speaker 3: is actually already completely filmed. They send them back to back,
Speaker 3: so you know it is gonna definitely interconnect.
Speaker 2: With this space.
Speaker 3: Whereas the third movie, as yet un named, has not
Speaker 3: even been written yet, so I think we're in an
Speaker 3: interesting kind of into the Spider Verse, like.
Speaker 2: When will that third movie come out?
Speaker 9: Colmon?
Speaker 2: How about you? Are you ready for the Bone Temple?
Speaker 6: Or I'm making January? I will be there.
Speaker 3: It's not even that far away, guys, We're gonna be that.
Speaker 2: I love January as a yes.
Speaker 3: When I'm sad because Christmas is over, I want to
Speaker 3: be seeing a good horror movie in the cinema. I like, yes,
Speaker 3: I'm depressed, show me something bleak and upsetting.
Speaker 5: I'm most excited to see where they take like all
Speaker 5: of the cult aspects from the original community.
Speaker 6: What are we going to learn about that?
Speaker 5: What are we going to learn about the Jimmy's and
Speaker 5: what are we going I do want to talk really quickly,
Speaker 5: just for a second, if you'll let about the arg rel.
Speaker 2: Let's quickly bring arg back because.
Speaker 5: I think it's coming back because it ties into what
Speaker 5: I've got to say here. Because one of the interesting things.
Speaker 5: So there was an ergy for this for this, which
Speaker 5: is a website that kind of like companions and gives
Speaker 5: you more information about the movie if you want to
Speaker 5: look into it. It's called rage leaks dot com and
Speaker 5: it's like a WikiLeaks and the password to it is
Speaker 5: momentumory and it shows you all of these kind of
Speaker 5: like external reports that are being done on the island
Speaker 5: from just people that are flying over or observing with
Speaker 5: drones and stuff like that. Apparently the outside world has
Speaker 5: absolutely no idea what's going on on the island of
Speaker 5: the former United Kingdom, which I'm very very interested to
Speaker 5: see how that ties in as well, because the website
Speaker 5: kind of gives you the hint that people are so
Speaker 5: fed up with with the mystery that they have just
Speaker 5: started leaking information to the public. So I'm interested to
Speaker 5: know if we zoom out at all and see like
Speaker 5: a little bit more of what the rest of the
Speaker 5: world is doing. We got a hint of it with Eric,
Speaker 5: But how.
Speaker 2: Was some of the funniest most stuff.
Speaker 3: In the movie kind of notion of how much you
Speaker 3: can be left behind if you're just out of social
Speaker 3: culture for like twenty eight years. They still have mobile phones,
Speaker 3: they still have plastic surgery, they still have all this
Speaker 3: other stuff. Like I think that it's really interesting, and
Speaker 3: I will say, uh, you know an arg guys, it
Speaker 3: was very popular. I'm sure all our listeners will remember
Speaker 3: the famous Dark Night ARG. But I think maybe these
Speaker 3: kind of websites, these kind of alternate reality gaming, kind
Speaker 3: of like how do you install someone into the world
Speaker 3: of the movie is coming back? Because there was also
Speaker 3: a very scary bring Her Back Yes website that me
Speaker 3: and Carmen got to each other late at night and
Speaker 3: we're like, I gotta look at it, like I gotta wait,
Speaker 3: I gotta wait till the morning. So I love the
Speaker 3: idea that that is, uh, that that's gonna come back
Speaker 3: and and kind of feed into that stuff. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm excited. Keep doing fun digital marketing guys. It's yeah,
Speaker 3: makes me feel young again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, we're gonna take a quick break, come back
Speaker 1: with our metal Podium of Horror sequels.
Speaker 2: And we're back.
Speaker 1: Okay, Metal Podium of Horror Sequels. Let's quickly go around
Speaker 1: the horn. What do we think our best horror movie
Speaker 1: sequel is of all time? And then let's see if
Speaker 1: we can kind of slap.
Speaker 2: These maybe we can agree together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's what I think we'll do. Okay, rosielet's
Speaker 1: start with you. What's your best.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna go for one that I know Jason,
Speaker 3: you are gonna agree with me on at least I'm
Speaker 3: gonna not say a silly one like Shax or something
Speaker 3: like that. Though I do love that movie. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: say and Dead because iconic, I think it's up there.
Speaker 3: I think it's a capitalist kind of satire in a
Speaker 3: way that movies like twenty eight years Later are still
Speaker 3: taking from.
Speaker 2: And yeah, just fantastic movie.
Speaker 1: I agree that that should probably be up there. We'll
Speaker 1: keep track of that. Okay, so we've got that Carmen,
Speaker 1: your greatest horror sequel of all time?
Speaker 5: Well, this one might be controversial because it is technically
Speaker 5: like an action sci fi horror.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna say aliens, Aliens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I now we're going Now, we're going back into
Speaker 1: our previous round table genrefy this.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well you're gonna pick it, will allow it, Okay, Jason,
Speaker 3: what about you?
Speaker 1: Those are two great ones. And since those are off
Speaker 1: the board.
Speaker 10: I'm too.
Speaker 3: Iconic, I would say as well that that's pretty That
Speaker 3: would be pretty gold leaning in my opinion, because I
Speaker 3: do think it's essentially like the first kind of requel
Speaker 3: to where they kind of remade the movie with a
Speaker 3: bigger budget but then gave it this but sort of
Speaker 3: like allowed it to expand and without that second movie,
Speaker 3: I don't know if we're ever going to get like
Speaker 3: the ash Vessus, the Evil Dead and all those very
Speaker 3: impactful sequel.
Speaker 2: That's a really good Joelle. Are you thinking that? She's like,
Speaker 2: what can I do to?
Speaker 9: I got this okay?
Speaker 8: So at first I was gonna say teach, but then
Speaker 8: I was like, that's two action films with that to
Speaker 8: decide two sci fi about because I really like the
Speaker 8: way that that character introduction.
Speaker 9: Favorite.
Speaker 2: Wow, I got one of my own favorite movies.
Speaker 9: I think I'm gonna land on Final Destination five.
Speaker 2: I love that choice. I love that choice. The review
Speaker 2: of the prequel nature of.
Speaker 8: You're watching it and you're like, oh my, that's so good,
Speaker 8: Like the whole franchise is back, and then the ending
Speaker 8: cols you just like smacking the face.
Speaker 9: You're like, my god, what have they done?
Speaker 8: Like if you're already a fan of this franchise, it's
Speaker 8: just like you feel like you've ascended when you finished watching.
Speaker 1: That Movie's true.
Speaker 3: You know something else I love about that movie is
Speaker 3: I feel like I when I'm talking about it in
Speaker 3: this context, obviously I know what happened, but every time
Speaker 3: I watched the movie, I feel like I get to
Speaker 3: the end, and I'm like, oh, yeah, cool, what happens that?
Speaker 3: I It's like some kind of hypnotism. Okay, Jason as
Speaker 3: a sports expert, what is your where do you see
Speaker 3: these podiums lining up?
Speaker 2: And then we'll see if anyone just screams in horror?
Speaker 1: Okay, So let's let's do it like this. I agree
Speaker 1: with you, Rosie. I think Evil did too, because of
Speaker 1: the indie nature of it, because it kind of created
Speaker 1: a mini movement in horror at the time, and because
Speaker 1: it remains I mean, it took everything that was great
Speaker 1: about the first one and just elevated it. Let's let's
Speaker 1: put and it's let's also acknowledge there are many sequels,
Speaker 1: and there's you know, Horror is a sequel, John Enra,
Speaker 1: there are not many that are better than the original.
Speaker 1: Like that doesn't happen very much. Okay, So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I think Evil Dead to probably on the gold mm hmm.
Speaker 1: I want to give it to Here's the thing, is
Speaker 1: Aliens enough of horror I'm.
Speaker 2: Putting I'm putting Aliens on the side of Brian. And
Speaker 2: that's why I.
Speaker 1: Kind of agree, because I feel like it's not horror
Speaker 1: enough to get all the way onto the.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna so I am to put I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put on in the Dead Silver, and then I would put.
Speaker 8: F. D.
Speaker 1: Sinco in the Bronze, and then I would aliens sadly
Speaker 1: crying assid tears to the side of the podium. But listen,
Speaker 1: love the movie. Think of it more as a sci
Speaker 1: fi as a military sci fi. But it definitely.
Speaker 2: Explained the science. In the fast fifteen minutes though of
Speaker 2: the alien.
Speaker 6: They explain how she's still alive. But they.
Speaker 1: Okay, do we have any quickly as we wrap up,
Speaker 1: do we have any sequels that we feel like should
Speaker 1: at least be mentioned here?
Speaker 5: You know, I have to say I actually like the
Speaker 5: sequel to thee.
Speaker 3: Okay, yes, agree, I was conjuring the second the Second
Speaker 3: and the Second Country movie where it's an that's really good.
Speaker 2: I would also say, like, I do think there is
Speaker 2: a space for like campy horror sequels.
Speaker 3: I do think Jason X is like at.
Speaker 2: The New BEV.
Speaker 3: We got to do just the sequels episode honestly, because
Speaker 3: even like one of my favorite movies of all time
Speaker 3: that I saw in a double bill that I swear
Speaker 3: to God was like programmed for me at the New
Speaker 3: BEV with Jason x is Hell Raiser.
Speaker 2: Black One, which is the fourth one.
Speaker 3: Adam Scott in it as like a sexy Sato masochistic
Speaker 3: like murderer who gets the the.
Speaker 2: I love any scream scream.
Speaker 1: I think could scream. I also could scream.
Speaker 2: Four is up there, Like Emma Roberts is so good
Speaker 2: in that movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, there's so many guys, but I think
Speaker 3: I like, I like the chaos of the one. It's
Speaker 3: like half So let's just keep it like gold Able,
Speaker 3: Dead two Fair, I love Don and Dead, fantastic movie,
Speaker 3: Brun's final.
Speaker 2: That's the Nation five. Yeah, well you're gonna do about it.
Speaker 2: That's all.
Speaker 1: We scream queens.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, LUs to have you here, Thank
Speaker 2: you for having us.
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