WEBVTT - 28 Years Later: Roundtable 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:05.000 Warning, Today's episode contains spoilers four twenty eight years later, 0:00:06.040 --> 0:00:09.240 the latest edition in the twenty eight years in the 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:29.120 twenty eight later franchise, Hello, my name is Jason gets 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:32.080 up to you and I'm Rosie Knight and welcome back 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:34.440 to x ray Vision, the podcast where we dive deep 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:36.600 into your favorite shows, movies. 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:37.519 Comics and pop culture. 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:40.560 Company from by our podcast where we're bringing you three 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:43.360 episodes a week plus news. 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:48.240 In today's episode, the Scream Queens Common and Joela joining 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:51.240 us for our roundtable discussion of twenty eight years late. 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:53.000 Joel in Common, how are you doing. 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:57.080 I'm good, glad to be here, fabulous, Yes, very excited 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:59.680 to talk to you about this. And then this is 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:01.440 a war as much for the people who are in 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:02.640 the podcast to get these. 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:04.280 Ready as it is that you guys know. 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:07.840 We will attempt to come to a consensus on the 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:12.160 on the I'm not saying Mount Rushmore because I hate 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:15.040 Mount Mushmore, so on the on the best of horror 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:17.000 movie sequels, what are the best? 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:19.319 On the medal podium? 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:22.360 On the metal podium of horror movie sequels, what are 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:22.959 your top three? 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:25.200 What gets gold, what gets silver? Worth gets bronze? 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:28.400 And what gets to stand next to the podium and 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:29.360 be like I should be up there. 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:30.520 Yeah, exactly right. 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:32.720 What's the fourth one that we just live on the 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:38.120 floor crying? It's almost good enough, guys. Programming note, this 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:41.480 is good news for you. We've heard you. You love YouTube. 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:42.600 YouTube's popular. 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:45.119 Ever heard of it? Guess what? We're posting this video 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:47.680 on YouTube And if. 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:50.640 You want to see a group chat melt down NHD, 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:53.480 you can watch our great sci fi debate on YouTube 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:55.919 right now. 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:58.840 Commen, what did you think of twenty eight years later? 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:01.320 Oh my godnes Well, first of all, thank you for 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:04.880 giving me the floor first, because I do have a 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:08.160 lot to say about this movie. This was I think 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:11.239 the out of all the movies I've seen so far 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:13.600 this year, this has been the movie that has been 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:15.760 the most thought provoking for me in the sense that 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:17.880 I can't stop thinking about it and I really want 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:19.560 people to go see it because I really need to 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:22.960 talk to people about it, and that's always a hallmark 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:25.200 of a great movie for me. I don't know about y'all, 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:30.640 but first of all, I was my whole experience for 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:32.280 the first half of the movie. I was squirming in 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:34.600 my seat. I was peeking through my fingers I was 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:37.600 doing all of that. I was terrified. They really did 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:39.720 a good job once we went to the mainland of 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.000 the island of like really ratcheting up the tension. 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:43.400 But the things I really. 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:46.799 Loved about the movie were just a lot of the 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:50.160 same things I loved about the original movie, with kind 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:53.200 of some of the concepts of the second movie kind 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:56.960 of blended together in my opinion. So the things that 0:02:57.000 --> 0:02:58.760 reminded me of the first movie that I really really 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:01.799 loved were the camera work. I thought the camera work 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:04.440 in this movie was so incredible, like. 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:07.640 We have really unique, like no one else is doing 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:10.000 it that way use of technology. 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:14.519 All of the action scenes were using multiple different angles 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:18.600 as we're kind of looking at like the violence on screen, 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:22.720 and it really added like this kind of just erraticness 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:27.239 to watching those scenes. And also the soundtrack. I really 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:31.760 really loved the soundtrack. Again, I didn't love the soundtracks, yes, 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:34.480 and I didn't, you know, love the soundtrack as much 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:37.400 in the second film, but in this movie, it really 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:39.680 felt like they had done like a return to form here, 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:40.240 you know. 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:42.680 One of the things that I really. 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:46.360 Thought was cool about the soundtrack and sound design was 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:52.600 that when our characters are relaxing and they're not under 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:56.560 any danger, you can still hear in the distance there's 0:03:56.640 --> 0:04:01.280 like these screaming and groaning and like this creepy like 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:04.120 feeling that is like ratcheting up the tension. 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:05.480 Now. 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:08.760 I have to say, like, for me, the reason I 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:11.400 enjoyed the second movie, as we discussed a little bit 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:13.839 more than the first movie, is because of the kind 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:18.159 of twisted family dynamic that the second movie brought in, 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:20.800 and they used the dad in a way that I 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:22.080 thought was really effective. 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:25.640 Series hates dads. 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:35.800 I know, well, yeah, we get a really good dies horrifically, Yes, 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:37.120 it's all about bad dads. 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:40.360 But I think like once it's almost like once the 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:43.880 Brendan Gleasing character dies because of the lies that I'm 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:50.000 being told about that location and military eternal kind of 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:55.760 toxic masculinity. There after that everything is bad dad's toxic masculinity. 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:59.359 It's very interesting, yes, And so I think for me, 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:02.279 the movie is really thrive when there's a bad dad 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:05.400 kind of going on, you know, And so I love 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:07.920 in the second movie, we have the zombie dad constantly 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:11.919 haunting these kids as they are trying to survive, and 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:14.520 in this movie, the dad doesn't ever become a zombie, 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:16.560 but he is actually kind of worse than. 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:21.520 The zombies, you know, the true villain of the movie. 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:28.160 Yeah, absolutely, he's the He is the antagonist for Spike, surely. 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:29.320 Yes. 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:31.720 And I think for me that these movies are at 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:36.440 best when there's like that child parent misdistrust kind of 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:41.120 dynamic going on, and so I really enjoyed that aspect 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:43.159 of it. I will say the things that I kind 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:48.600 of felt like, humh, they're kind of like keeping up 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:51.719 with the genre more than setting the tone for the 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:55.479 genre was at first, I felt like the variants were 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:59.640 probably inspired by like more recent like zombie video game lore. 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:01.000 Yeah, the Last of Us. 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:03.800 It was definitely the slow lows we're giving The Last 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:04.560 of Us for sure. 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:07.000 Yes, with the mashroom and the nature. 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:10.080 Right and even the Alphas reminded me of like just 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:13.960 that whole kind of pack thing. But yeah, I just 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:15.599 there's a lot I can say about this movie, but 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:19.880 I really fucking loved it and I want to see 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:20.200 it again. 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:23.400 So yeah, I would love to see it again as well. Joelle, 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:25.680 your thoughts. 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:27.320 Deeply fucking weird, which is like in the best possible way, 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:29.480 like in the way that's just like in the theater, 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:32.760 I was sitting there and I was elementary. Yeah, no, 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:37.240 Like it's so surreal. There's a ton of They like 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:39.840 to insert a lot of stock footage of. 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:41.120 Britain over the years. 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:44.200 And repeated actions, right, And something I think is so 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:49.120 interesting about this film, Like it's clearly about Brexit and isolation, isolationism, 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:52.520 and you know, a bit about like nationalism, maybe some 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:55.720 racism thrown in there for good measure, but they're also 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:58.920 making like these very interesting statements about time and the 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:02.560 things that are in grain within our cultures that hook us, 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:08.440 and also about how we take sweet lovely boys and 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:12.120 tournament to horrible people, and like how do you combat 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:15.000 against that? If you're a young man right now actively 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:17.080 trying to engage in the world, how do you fight 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:21.160 back against this ingrained culture? And I was so incredibly 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:25.360 moved by these statements, and I loved how strange and 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:28.120 weird it was. You know, Decarmen's point about the cameras, 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:31.360 you know, and rewatching the previous films, Like if you 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:34.880 think about the first film being like very surveillance steady, 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:38.040 you get a lot of like high angles on people 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:39.960 walking these deserted and it really like the. 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:43.280 Early days of having the kind of CCTV that could 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:45.720 track you for miles, like we all yeah now. 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:49.120 And then in the second one, it's so military heavy 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:52.480 that you're getting a lot of like helicopter You're like, yeah, 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:54.640 a lot of scope shots in the second one, so 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:57.239 you feel like you're constantly being targeted and there's always 0:07:57.280 --> 0:07:59.040 a weapon on you, and you're sort of being hunted 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:02.200 in that sense, which winds up being much more terrifying 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:05.520 than the zombies. Uh. In this one, you spend so 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:08.320 much time in nature that was to really sort of 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:09.640 get the feeling of it is like, oh, these are 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:13.640 like other eyes staring back at me, and that it's 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:18.160 such a creepy, like subversive way to approach a series 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:20.640 that has been really locked into technology. There's an absence 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:23.120 of technology in here that makes this such an interesting 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:26.040 addition to the series and sort of strips back into 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:29.960 like almost like the core of like humanity. 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:30.360 You know. 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:32.480 If the first ones are sort of like our responses 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:35.080 to situations, the third one asks is like, is this 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:38.520 this might actually just be we It's really it's like 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:43.000 devastating and beautiful, And then I'll just say, like so clever, 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:49.160 the pitfalls, like the obstacles. You know, every zombie movie 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:50.960 has great obstacles you have to get through, like a 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:53.640 house that's protecting you and then becomes like a trap. 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:56.680 The gas station scene is gonna stick with me forever. 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:59.319 I loved it, just the floating gas in the room, 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:02.440 the way that becomes you know, there are zombies outside, 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:05.040 so they're trapped inside, but the gas is literally poisoning them. 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:07.559 And it's just like this is such a great, fun, 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:11.840 imaginative sequence that deals in like real world consequences of 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:14.480 like longevity, and I just think, like the way they've 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:18.640 built and expanded this world, I felt immediately connected to. 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:21.520 All of it. I loved this movie. I liked it 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:24.199 so high went yeah. 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:26.520 I think that you touch on something that's like really 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:31.000 important about like the notion of like nature and like 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:33.760 how nature connects to humans, because something that is and 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:36.960 this very specifically British thing to notice, but it has 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:39.559 been reported on. One of the things that kind of 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:43.280 blew me away is that when they're walking through the mainland, 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:47.400 you get this visual of them walking down this this 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.520 valley that in the middle of two valleys is a tree, 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:53.080 right and the tree is called the Sycamore Gap tree. 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:55.000 The tree was like one hundred and fifty years old, 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:56.760 and I instantly recognized it and was. 0:09:56.720 --> 0:09:58.439 Like, wait, how is that there? 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:02.280 Because that tree, which was one hundred and fifty years 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:05.240 old in twenty twenty three was just cut down by 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:10.320 rammom vandals, local vandals, and so they actually recreated the 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:13.840 tree digitally as like an homage to the tree. Well, 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:16.960 I also think there's something very interesting there about like 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:21.400 the themes of nature and the way humans impact nature, 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:26.360 and the choices that humans make that just like selfish choices. Act. 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:29.440 Yeah, there's a yeah, sorry, go ahead, no, no, go for it, 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:31.640 go for it, I was gonna say. I think uh. 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:34.480 I really responded to that too as well, Joelle, And 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:40.120 I think for me it was interesting to me how 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:45.240 part of this the experience of this film for me 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:51.840 was this idea that humans are kind of the side 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:57.160 show mm hmm. On in England, on the on the 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:00.559 islands that were formerly known as the UK, it's real 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:06.679 nature is king once again. The infected are part of 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:10.840 this kind of like natural landscape that includes like you know, 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:16.120 newly replenished hordes of deer, Like like we're back in 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:20.240 the prehistoric ages and people are just kind of one 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:26.080 of several species that are roaming here in a kind 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:29.600 of balance with nature. And I found that really interesting. 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:32.600 The other thing I've been thinking a lot, a lot 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:38.079 about is that you mentioned the intercutting of different historical 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:41.040 scenes and movies and stock footage from World War One, 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:46.800 et cetera. This idea of young men throughout the ages. 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:50.000 You know, I think as an American medieval yeah, as 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:55.600 an American, as an American, we don't. It's hard to 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:58.839 engage with an idea of a history that goes back 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:05.000 thousands of years as as history there does, and that 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:11.480 kind of continuum of this visual of medieval soldiers, you know, 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:16.000 shooting arrows at this oncoming like rushing nights and cavalry 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:20.920 and the actual like the historical idea of the longbow, 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:23.960 the development of the longbow in England as this you know, 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:29.760 cutting edge weapon that helped them win you know, many 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:32.920 famous battles, particularly during the One Hundred Years War, and 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:35.760 then to see Spike and then the young men of 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:41.040 this community being taught how to use this weapon that 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:43.439 has been in you know now is back after a 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:47.840 thousand years. All of it was was. It's very deep 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:50.920 and I'm still thinking a lot about it. And what 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.440 makes it even more interesting to me is the way 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:58.720 this film critiques that culture. Yeah, it's at once saying, Okay, 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:03.080 here's how we survived all these years, right, all these 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:06.240 thousands of years, these many centuries. It's this kind of 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:12.040 warlike face that we show people, but we maintain that 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:17.400 warlike face by lying about, yeah, what goes on about 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:20.480 what really happens. It's dad's taking young men out to 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:23.319 kill and then coming back to the community and saying, yeah, 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:24.520 it was awesome. 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:25.000 It was so cool. 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:29.320 And that criticism is so interesting, you know, it makes 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:32.480 me think of this is kind of a digression, but 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:34.120 I'm reading this book called A Bend in the River. 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:42.880 It's about this like a family from India that lives 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:45.680 in Africa and they have a small they have like 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:48.240 a small shop at this bend in the river. And 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:52.760 one of the things that the main narrator notes is that, 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:58.120 you know, because he's feeling like defeated by colonialism and 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:02.960 how powerful and efficient the colonial powers are at like 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:07.360 subjugating everybody, and they put this statue up in the 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:12.240 town of like, you know, the heroes of colonialism, and 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:16.600 he says, you know, the the Europeans, they want golden 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:19.440 slaves like everybody else, but they also want to put 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:22.720 up monuments saying how great they are and how good 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:26.600 they were, and that's kind of like this. It's like, 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:29.160 on the one hand, this is why you're a great culture, 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:32.280 it's like part of this this warlike thing, but also 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:34.960 you want to pretend that you're good at the same time. 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:40.920 And it's that friction that has me fascinated with this movie. 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:44.160 Yeah, no, I think that's a really great point, especially 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:50.040 as there is like a simmering, secret kind of culture 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:54.520 that bubbles underneath what we see of the island. Like 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:57.280 there are these hints that were really big in the 0:14:57.320 --> 0:15:01.080 tray Law of like a cult or the rules that yeah, the. 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:02.640 Follow the masque. 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:05.960 We never really dive into what the mask is. 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:08.600 About, you know, and even like the way that they 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:11.440 have the banner behind them, the kind of tapestry that's 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:15.480 like fail we can, but like go on we must 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:18.920 or something like. And there's definitely feels like there's some 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:27.240 other secretive, strange, kind of folk horror ish addition. 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:29.880 To that culture that we have yet to see. It 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:32.640 feels like it's going to be team explore ones. 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:50.880 I definitely, yeah, I definitely feel like it's going to 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:53.480 be explored more on the second movie because we're literally 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:56.200 going to be following the perspective of Spike, who is 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:59.000 now like removed from the community, and he'll be able 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:01.840 to like actually see how other people are living and 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:04.160 realizing like, oh, maybe where I'm from is actually kind 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:04.720 of fucked up. 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:06.800 Yeah, maybe that's the weird place. 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:09.200 Yeah, you know, And we kind of talked about this 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:11.240 when we were in pre pro. But the trailer for 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:14.640 this movie was like unbelievably popular, became the most watched 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.520 horror trailer in twenty twenty four, had sixty million views, 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:18.200 second biggest. 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:21.800 I think this is Sony. I think this is meant 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:21.960 to be. 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:24.840 Second biggest horror trailer of all time, but behind it 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:28.360 Chapter two with ninety six million views. But as we 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:31.200 were kind of talking about, there is some stuff in 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:34.760 the trailer that we don't see in the finish movie, 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:37.200 which we know is common, but here feels maybe like 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:40.560 a little bit more of an interesting kind of twist. 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:42.480 Like Joel and Jason, I know, you guys were looking 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:45.120 back at that trailer before we started recording, Joelle, could 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:47.200 you talk a little bit about your feelings on kind 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:50.000 of because the trailer does lean into just how weird 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:53.680 this movie is and how surreal, but it also does 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:56.120 showcase stuff that we don't see in the finish movie 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:58.240 in a way that feels like maybe not a studio 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:00.480 choice and maybe more of a filmmaker choice. 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:01.080 Yeah. 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:03.720 Possibly, I would be curious to see who got final 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:06.320 cut on the trailers. Sometimes a director can negotiate with 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:08.320 the studio to have final cut on the trailer and 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:11.359 they get to like decide what it's gonna look like. 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:13.879 But a lot of times that happens is you just 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:17.040 get an ass load of footage and then they're like 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:19.520 make it a trailer, and so you don't really know 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:22.000 like which cuts are going to be in the movie, 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:24.720 and so that's why you get a discrepancy sometimes, Like 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:27.480 looking at the stuff, everything looked like scenes we saw 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:31.040 from what I could tell you, different angles. Yeah, Like 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:34.119 it's appeared to me to be different angles, different takes. 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:34.359 You know. 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:36.040 Maybe at one point we were like we weren't sure 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:39.359 how this character was gonna enter. I didn't see anything 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:41.200 to me that looked like, oh, this might be from 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:45.320 the second installment of this series. Uh, but I do 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:48.800 think that the choice to really lean into the culti 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:51.679 horror vibes was a good one because we love we 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:54.560 love a mystery, you know. I really feel like we're 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:57.480 in a moment as a culture right now, a lot 0:17:57.480 --> 0:17:59.840 of cold docs, a lot of learning about like what 0:17:59.880 --> 0:18:03.440 the TikTok houses are like in real life. And I'm 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:05.080 okay with it because I think if you had tried 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:07.840 to sell it as the political zombie film that it is, 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:10.240 people would have been like, this is weird and. 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:14.719 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, one million percent. 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:15.040 Yes. 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:20.040 Also, another thing that's really different about this movie, and Jason, 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:23.639 after your kind of thoughts about the colonial aspects. 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:24.879 And the kind of looking back at history, I'd love 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:25.760 to know your thoughts on this. 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:29.560 But also like, this movie doesn't really have like a 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:32.600 lot of guns. It doesn't really have a lot of 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:35.440 military It doesn't have a lot of military presence. 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:38.320 The hordes are further away, there is a lot. 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:42.320 Less urgency because if they'd have stayed on the island, 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:45.560 they probably wouldn't have interacted with the zombie. So how 0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:49.119 do you feel like that changes the film? Because it 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:51.000 is a different in that way the status quo is 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:51.639 very different. 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:56.600 Yeah, I think the first two movies are kind of 0:18:56.880 --> 0:19:00.119 infused with this sadness of a world that's gone on. 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:08.000 This movie, it's almost saying, hey, this is a you know, 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:11.159 these people are living with their hanging on to life, 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:17.960 like buy their fingernails. But doesn't it have its advantages too? 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:22.399 Doesn't it have something to offer as well? Isn't nature beautiful? 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:26.160 Like look at how the deer are back, there's no. 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:27.760 In their nature. 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:32.440 Again, it struck me and I'm am I right about this. 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:36.760 There is no human on human vibe. There's no non 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:39.639 infected human on human violence in this film. 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:42.720 Except for when except for when Age slaps his kid. 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:43.800 Right, there's no. 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:47.760 Soldiers killing other soldiers. 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:55.160 There's no un of like, yes are the West. It's 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:58.000 even the monkster and the human and. 0:19:57.960 --> 0:20:00.280 Who is And this is even the movie that's seeks 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:02.919 the the you know, the entrant into this franchise that 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:06.760 seeks to humanize the infected more than any of the 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:10.040 other ones. Oh to the point that the the alpha 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:14.040 Samson is never killed. He's only given name so that 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:15.000 they can get away. 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:19.160 And so I think. 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:24.040 That the lack of guns and the separation and the 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:26.440 time that has passed, and this we get this wonderful 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:29.840 juxtaposition when we get the wonderful comic relief when when 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:34.199 edic shows up. But I think that, you know, I 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:36.439 think that there is an aspect to this film and 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:39.359 this story that you know, in the era of climate 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:43.440 change that's almost saying like, hey, isn't a lack of technic, 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:47.679 Like it's not what anybody would immediately leap for a 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:50.080 world in which we eschew technology and go back to 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:55.040 this kind of more in the land, kind of unibomber uh, 0:20:55.160 --> 0:21:00.280 you know, manifesto type of lifestyle. But does it not 0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:03.560 have something to offer as well? And that was I 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:04.880 think that's really interesting to. 0:21:04.760 --> 0:21:05.879 Pick up on that, Jason. 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:08.320 I really feel like the first two movies are about 0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:11.639 surviving and trying to get back to an equilibrium. This 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:13.680 feels like it's dead and you have to let it go, 0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:17.919 like the momentary thing has hit so hard over and 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:19.320 over again, and knowing that's. 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:21.639 Going to be the. 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:22.960 Main point of the next film. I guess it's called 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:24.640 Oh my god. 0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:29.600 There's Temple, Bone Temple. 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:32.760 I'm really why not Bonehenge? 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:36.880 Why we call it? 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:41.160 Yeah, that's our official Combo T shirt for the next 0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:42.159 one Bone. 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:43.680 I love it. 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:49.320 I think like the idea of there's life after this, 0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:53.080 but only if you accept this one is gone, especially 0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:55.600 if we look at like our kids last like Spike's 0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:58.440 last decision is really like I'm gonna get this baby 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:00.520 to safety and then actually all of you. 0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:06.120 Yeah beautiful, Yeah, yeah. 0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:11.199 It's really clever, and it's also quite surprising because of 0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:14.600 how much we are used to like with whether it's 0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:16.600 like the Road or the Last of Us or these 0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:20.240 ideas of like or walking dead, like oh well, even 0:22:20.280 --> 0:22:22.640 if it's a kid, they're gonna take the baby with 0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:25.080 them and it's gonna be this kind of like lone 0:22:25.119 --> 0:22:27.680 wolf cub situation. And it's said He's like, no, I'm 0:22:27.720 --> 0:22:31.000 like twelve, like you guys, look after the baby, and 0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:34.080 I'm going to see my my weird stuff. 0:22:34.280 --> 0:22:37.000 He's following in the footsteps of his father and just 0:22:37.080 --> 0:22:43.520 kind of yeah, the child child, are you right, because 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:46.760 he is well, he can't take he can't. 0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:48.520 He doesn't know to keep it a baby alive. 0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:52.639 But okay, before we take a quick break, this is 0:22:52.680 --> 0:22:57.480 a very weird film, So just quick predictions. Will the 0:22:57.920 --> 0:23:01.560 general audience embrace this like, well, are you guessing for 0:23:01.680 --> 0:23:03.600 an you think it's gonna be a yes, Jason were 0:23:03.600 --> 0:23:05.600 I think it's gonna be a cinema school. I think 0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:07.600 this is gonna be a B plus. I think it's 0:23:07.600 --> 0:23:08.160 gonna be high. 0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:14.320 I think it's gonna be a cinema score a because 0:23:14.359 --> 0:23:17.679 I think the interesting parts of as we mentioned, the 0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:20.439 kind of like interesting things to think about, are so 0:23:20.720 --> 0:23:28.600 well layered under zombie action that you know there they 0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:32.840 will not hinder anybody going to the cinema to see it. 0:23:33.200 --> 0:23:36.159 And I think it's been a great horror We're in 0:23:36.200 --> 0:23:40.760 a great horror spring and horror summer, and I think 0:23:40.880 --> 0:23:43.960 there's nothing else like it in the movie theater no, 0:23:44.640 --> 0:23:47.919 and that we've reached a point where the fans of 0:23:47.960 --> 0:23:51.639 the series who are adults will go see it, and 0:23:51.720 --> 0:23:54.920 you've got the younger horror generation that will be interested 0:23:54.960 --> 0:24:00.240 as well. And I think it's gonna be I think 0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:00.880 it's going to bang. 0:24:01.240 --> 0:24:02.640 I think it's gonna I'm gonna. 0:24:02.400 --> 0:24:04.600 Give and I think it's been a decent sized hit 0:24:05.000 --> 0:24:05.600 for the summer. 0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:08.359 Okay, I'm gonna be a cynic. I what everything Jason 0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:10.280 said to be true. I will want this reality to 0:24:10.280 --> 0:24:13.280 come to fruition. I have a feeling it's going to 0:24:13.320 --> 0:24:17.000 do great the first week, and then people will be like, 0:24:17.040 --> 0:24:20.040 I don't get it and be confused by it. 0:24:20.160 --> 0:24:24.720 No, I think that yeah because I think yeah. 0:24:24.440 --> 0:24:26.960 Like because because it's strange, it might be hard for 0:24:26.960 --> 0:24:29.840 some people to connect to. But then also there's I 0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:32.439 don't want to say a lack of violence overall. They 0:24:32.480 --> 0:24:35.480 have the zombies there there, there's some cool sequences, but 0:24:35.560 --> 0:24:38.240 it is not the Bang bang, shoot them up, run 0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:41.040 giant hoards, blood everywhere, like. 0:24:41.080 --> 0:24:41.840 Vibes of the past. 0:24:41.880 --> 0:24:42.040 Too. 0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:44.520 It's different, I think in all of the best ways, 0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:48.640 and with keeping the tone and like affection that those 0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:51.520 other films had for the genre. Like it's all still there, 0:24:51.560 --> 0:24:55.000 but it's displayed very differently. And I wonder if, like 0:24:55.119 --> 0:24:57.879 your average Joe doesn't I think the cinema under if 0:24:57.880 --> 0:25:00.000 you're on like a letterbox sort of situation. I think 0:25:00.200 --> 0:25:02.639 that crew is going to be into it, but I 0:25:02.760 --> 0:25:04.560 just what I'm worried the jet Pop's gonna be like, 0:25:04.560 --> 0:25:06.040 I don't get this weird arty film. 0:25:06.800 --> 0:25:09.760 Okay, I mean I think how hot? How low do 0:25:09.800 --> 0:25:12.879 you think? I think it's good enough that the cinema school. 0:25:12.960 --> 0:25:14.439 The lowest is going to get is going to be 0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:15.720 like a c I don't think. 0:25:15.840 --> 0:25:17.159 Yeah, I would be shocked. 0:25:18.880 --> 0:25:21.439 Yeah that would be shocking. Yeah yeah, Okay, Calmin, what 0:25:21.440 --> 0:25:21.920 do you think? 0:25:22.760 --> 0:25:25.440 I think it. I think it'll get a bee. I 0:25:25.440 --> 0:25:27.560 I feel pretty good about it. I've heard, you know, 0:25:27.960 --> 0:25:29.760 people are really confused about the ending. But I do 0:25:29.800 --> 0:25:31.440 want to say, as the average. 0:25:31.119 --> 0:25:32.240 I'm so excited to talk about that. 0:25:32.720 --> 0:25:37.000 Yeah, as the average cinemager, you know person. 0:25:36.960 --> 0:25:39.200 I loved it. I had a lot of fun watching it. 0:25:39.280 --> 0:25:42.800 I didn't fully understand it until I started talking to 0:25:42.840 --> 0:25:45.679 you guys about it, because Jason knows a lot more 0:25:45.720 --> 0:25:48.240 about world history than I do, Rosie knows a lot 0:25:48.280 --> 0:25:51.040 more about UK history than I do, and so I 0:25:51.040 --> 0:25:53.800 think as an American who is kind of like not 0:25:53.920 --> 0:25:57.239 as tuned into those things as as everyone else, some 0:25:57.280 --> 0:25:59.520 of that stuff went over my head. But then after 0:25:59.560 --> 0:26:01.280 I underst stood it, I was like, oh, that makes 0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:04.320 this is like so it's like you know, Galaxy brain. 0:26:04.440 --> 0:26:07.400 I was like, whoa, you know, Like, this is amazing. 0:26:07.920 --> 0:26:11.760 So I think it's gonna be one of those movies 0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:14.440 that might be like kind of like a Bee at first, 0:26:14.480 --> 0:26:16.200 but then over time people are really gonna be like, Wow, 0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:18.600 this is an amazing movie because it is such an 0:26:18.720 --> 0:26:22.840 art house movie for a horror movie, and even if 0:26:22.840 --> 0:26:25.840 you don't understand what's going on, you can appreciate the 0:26:26.440 --> 0:26:29.280 kind of craftsmanship that went into making a movie. You know. 0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:31.480 Well, let's let's talk a bit more about that after 0:26:31.520 --> 0:26:35.040 we go to a quick break from our sponsor's hell 0:26:35.600 --> 0:26:55.560 oil company. 0:26:56.040 --> 0:27:00.480 We're back, We're back. Let's talk about the cast in 0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:07.359 this because incredible cast. First of all, I was a 0:27:07.400 --> 0:27:11.000 little worried initially that I was like, is Jody Comer 0:27:11.080 --> 0:27:13.080 just going to be sick in bed for this entire 0:27:15.400 --> 0:27:18.639 It was worrisome, right, and then that's absolutely not know 0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:23.280 what happens and she becomes very ass, kicks ass and becomes, 0:27:23.359 --> 0:27:27.040 you know, kind of like the major emotional catalyst of 0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:29.879 this film. You know, it's really through her life that 0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:34.560 we understand what this movie is about. What struck you 0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:38.440 about any of the performances in this Let's start with you, Carmen. 0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:43.240 I once again I'm amazed by the child's actors. 0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:43.960 And Alfie. 0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:47.360 I thought, yes, Alfie, is that the boy who plays. 0:27:47.160 --> 0:27:52.320 Spike Williams yea Al Williams plays Spike, and I also 0:27:52.359 --> 0:27:56.560 thought even the opening scene are called open with those 0:27:56.760 --> 0:27:58.760 that room of little blonde kids. 0:27:58.520 --> 0:28:02.119 That looked like with you, they did a great job 0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:04.240 freaking a yeah. 0:28:04.320 --> 0:28:06.680 They looked so authentically scared. 0:28:07.200 --> 0:28:10.199 The girl was like holding back her tears while she 0:28:10.280 --> 0:28:12.560 was like hearing what was going on. And so I 0:28:12.640 --> 0:28:15.280 was stunned by the child. I'm always when when child 0:28:15.280 --> 0:28:19.639 doctors do an amazing job, I'm like, hell, yeah, yeah, 0:28:19.840 --> 0:28:23.720 But that was the highlight for me, Joelle, what about you, Joelle? 0:28:25.160 --> 0:28:27.200 As we know, I have number one Aaron Taylor Johnson. 0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:33.920 Stan this conversation and we were talking a little bit. 0:28:34.000 --> 0:28:37.280 So Danny was at our screening and she had mentioned 0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:39.040 like she was looking at billboards and she was like, 0:28:39.080 --> 0:28:41.840 it's so weird to me that, like on the billboards 0:28:41.960 --> 0:28:46.320 you have Alex Garland and Danny Boyle, but not Jodi Comer. 0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:49.840 Aaron Taylor Johnson now atj has had a string of 0:28:50.000 --> 0:28:53.280 not great movies that he is the lead in, which 0:28:53.360 --> 0:28:58.480 is a problem. But I still think he's a household name. 0:28:58.560 --> 0:29:01.200 I think like your average parent is like I remember 0:29:01.320 --> 0:29:02.160 Erir Taylor Johnson. 0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:04.040 I know that kid. To not put him on the 0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:04.840 poster at all. 0:29:05.200 --> 0:29:08.200 Now, no, no, no, this is not I don't think that 0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:09.560 is a reflection of. 0:29:09.440 --> 0:29:10.720 Either of those actors. 0:29:10.760 --> 0:29:13.440 I think it is a choice to play into the 0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:17.080 art house nature and this huge moment of these two 0:29:17.120 --> 0:29:21.440 big visionary British creators like working together again and to 0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:23.840 put the focus on that rather than who is in 0:29:23.880 --> 0:29:26.320 the movie. I don't think it's a Jodi Coma issue, 0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:28.680 or an Aaron Taylor Johnson or a Ray Finds issue. 0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:31.280 I think it's a I think it's like an artistic 0:29:31.360 --> 0:29:35.400 choice to be like, hey, the artisans behind this movie 0:29:35.480 --> 0:29:38.120 are the people who are gonna like be why you 0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:38.960 see the movie? Now? 0:29:39.040 --> 0:29:40.840 Is that true? I think the class should have got 0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:41.960 shout outs, but I think. 0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:45.160 It's less about their quality and more about like a 0:29:45.280 --> 0:29:50.080 message that they were trying to put across the creators. 0:29:50.400 --> 0:29:54.000 Especially if you think about like time on screen, they're 0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:58.280 pretty like the like the three adult leads, uh share 0:29:58.280 --> 0:29:59.960 about an equal amount of time. So there really is 0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:03.160 no clear like lead other than Alfie, who's. 0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:04.520 You know, an unknown child actor. 0:30:05.880 --> 0:30:07.640 And so it does make sense to me, and it's 0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:10.560 kind of again I keep saying it, I will keep 0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:12.560 seeing it. I really think movies are back in a 0:30:12.600 --> 0:30:15.480 way that feels so tangible and real to me. I'm 0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:16.800 like the kids, like, you don't know what going to 0:30:16.840 --> 0:30:18.880 the movies? You selling my father, don't know what going 0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:22.360 through movies? You sound like it's so freaking cool, Like 0:30:22.600 --> 0:30:24.440 you would be there like two or three times a week. 0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:27.800 You have your like weekend warriors, Like just going to 0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:30.640 the movies used to be the it thing, and so like, 0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:34.080 I love this idea of us continuing to celebrate creators 0:30:34.080 --> 0:30:36.800 all of like an early nineties sort of resurgence of 0:30:36.800 --> 0:30:39.120 indie film. And I think given the state of the 0:30:39.120 --> 0:30:41.600 film industry, like that's where a lot of people have 0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:43.280 been predicting it's going to go, is that we're gonna 0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:48.240 come back to these like smaller, like artist driven film projects. 0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:51.040 So that's exciting. But on the actor front, I just 0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:55.360 listen Aaron Taylor playing a bad dad I thought would 0:30:55.920 --> 0:30:56.600 end it for me. 0:30:56.640 --> 0:30:57.000 It didn't. 0:30:57.000 --> 0:30:57.800 I was still into it. 0:30:57.840 --> 0:30:59.880 I was like, wow, this is crazy, still hot as hell, 0:31:00.360 --> 0:31:02.120 and it does such a good job. Like I was 0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:05.400 really moved by this performance that he gave. 0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:06.040 Is so. 0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:09.520 It's just so like tense and then. 0:31:09.360 --> 0:31:12.080 Out of control and sort of fearing back and forth 0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:16.080 between those elegantly, you know, not ever really going over 0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:18.520 the top. It's really hard to sort of control like 0:31:18.640 --> 0:31:20.480 out of control on screen. It's a difficult thing for 0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:24.080 an actor to do. And then for Jody Darling, Jody 0:31:24.200 --> 0:31:27.600 like best like awesome, like be out of your mind 0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:32.200 and so convincingly, and then coming back and also doing 0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:35.560 these like really like intense like fight scene, which is 0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:37.560 not like a challenging sequence like we're used to, but 0:31:37.640 --> 0:31:38.720 in the way of like. 0:31:40.160 --> 0:31:41.720 You guys, fake fighting. 0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:44.800 Is hard, like trying to convincently throw a person's head 0:31:44.800 --> 0:31:47.840 into a wall. It's really challenging, and she just gives 0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:50.520 it one hundred and always lands. I just I'm as 0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:53.479 sounded by not just the performances, but I think the 0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:57.080 writing of these characters is always so good in this series, 0:31:57.120 --> 0:32:00.520 Like you're always like even cheating Dad the worst in 0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:05.120 twenty eight weeks later, I hate him so much that 0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:09.080 Charter is so intriguing, Like, Wow, this is an actual 0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:11.800 coward who can stand on nothing. He'll lie to to 0:32:12.000 --> 0:32:15.560 do everything, and then makes the dumbest decision to kiss 0:32:15.600 --> 0:32:17.800 his wife. You're just like, what, this man is an idiot, 0:32:18.040 --> 0:32:20.920 But I'm so Intriguedally is as a person that I 0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:22.719 enjoy following his story. 0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:24.000 Mm hmm. 0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:30.080 Let's okay. Before before we start, then we hit a question. 0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:38.120 We had the idea of starting a X ray vision. 0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:40.920 Offshoot called what was the what was the name of 0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:46.840 Hot Hot Extra Vision Hot topic Patreon only behind a 0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:50.560 paywall in which we just gossip about stuff. 0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:55.160 So let me just like in the most put it 0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:57.640 out there. First of all, I agree with you atj 0:32:58.240 --> 0:33:02.280 like why he's not a star is fascinating, Like I'm 0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:09.160 a super handsome guy, incredible actor, like this crazy range. 0:33:10.120 --> 0:33:12.840 But yes, this is a hard role because he's got 0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:15.440 to be on the one hand, he's got to come 0:33:15.440 --> 0:33:19.680 off initially like oh man, I wish my dad was 0:33:19.720 --> 0:33:22.200 like this, and then he's got to show you the 0:33:22.200 --> 0:33:26.000 brittleness of this facade that he's putting up, and then 0:33:26.040 --> 0:33:30.240 it's got a crack. And it's in a lot of 0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:33.600 ways an unforgiving role because you realize halfway through his 0:33:33.680 --> 0:33:43.160 performance that like, you hate this guy, and and we're wondering, like, wow, okay, 0:33:43.800 --> 0:33:46.080 I believe that he's not a star, and I believe 0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:48.040 that's kind of like I agree that there's like a 0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:51.560 household man. Now we understand who he is, but I 0:33:51.560 --> 0:33:55.640 do think objectively he's not a star or things like 0:33:56.720 --> 0:34:00.360 you know, Craven wouldn't have happened, you know, not one 0:34:01.000 --> 0:34:04.040 his fault, but there's other things like that. And it 0:34:04.160 --> 0:34:06.880 struck me that I think part of the missing ingredient 0:34:07.320 --> 0:34:09.759 is and we talked about this before the mics went on, 0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:14.319 you look at an actor who's this talented, who is 0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:19.360 this good looking. It is so notable to me that 0:34:20.560 --> 0:34:25.799 he does not have a role in his resume in 0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:30.760 which he falls in love with the with the coast, 0:34:30.960 --> 0:34:33.560 with the character other character in the story, or they 0:34:33.600 --> 0:34:36.560 fall in love with him. There's no role that he 0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:42.279 has played where being in love is part of it, 0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:43.080 part of that. 0:34:45.440 --> 0:34:46.799 Yeah, No, it seems. 0:34:46.520 --> 0:34:50.600 Like such a hole to me, because that's part of 0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:53.320 what makes you a star, you know, It's like the 0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:56.960 Legends of the Fall with you know, for Brad Pitt, 0:34:57.200 --> 0:34:59.719 it's that kind of thing that like elevates you, even 0:34:59.760 --> 0:35:02.479 if it's it's not like a critically acclaimed movie. It 0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:05.520 widens your appeal. And it's that widening of appeal that 0:35:05.640 --> 0:35:08.600 makes you a star. And I think that's missing for Aaron. 0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:12.279 Yeah, it definitely is an I think my argument would be, 0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:16.200 and I'm also an Aaron Taylor Johnson stan My argument 0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:18.600 would be where his career is at right now, he 0:35:18.760 --> 0:35:22.560 is more of a really great character actor because whenever 0:35:22.640 --> 0:35:25.680 he shows up in something right like he was in 0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:28.520 he showed up in Tenet, a movie that everybody hated, 0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:30.880 but the moment he showed up, You're like, oh, this 0:35:31.040 --> 0:35:34.759 is so interesting and dynamic and like he's basically just 0:35:34.800 --> 0:35:38.840 playing like a military grunt, but you're so interested in 0:35:38.880 --> 0:35:40.640 the way he chooses to play it. 0:35:41.040 --> 0:35:42.359 And then the same with. 0:35:43.040 --> 0:35:49.120 Uh oh, he had an absolute breakout character role. Also 0:35:49.520 --> 0:35:51.920 another very horny role for Aaron because in this he 0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:55.400 does he does continue eat out summer as we are 0:35:55.400 --> 0:35:56.160 now calling. 0:35:58.680 --> 0:35:59.200 Sinners. 0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:02.880 Ah, everyone should eat out the summer, guys. 0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:07.080 In horror movies. We got sinners, we got this movie. 0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:09.399 And in nos Varatu, you know, he loves his wife 0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:11.759 so much that he like fucks so when she's dead. 0:36:11.840 --> 0:36:16.920 I mean, very insane characterracter type performances. And the other 0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:19.600 one that I think about a lot is the really 0:36:19.800 --> 0:36:23.160 honestly like not great movie The Kingsman, which was like 0:36:23.239 --> 0:36:26.960 the third Kingsman movie that's about the King's. 0:36:26.680 --> 0:36:29.320 Prequel, The King's man, and it's. 0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:31.960 About like and they tried to do like a weird 0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:37.760 Avengers style, like yes, it was really bad. In that movie, 0:36:37.840 --> 0:36:41.360 Aaron Taylor Johnson shows up no joke, like twenty minutes 0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:45.279 and it is the most heartbreaking, unbelievable performance. 0:36:45.320 --> 0:36:47.480 It's all about like the horrors of World War One. 0:36:47.920 --> 0:36:50.839 I think that when he shows up and gives his all, 0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:54.120 he just makes a movie shine. But I have yet 0:36:54.160 --> 0:36:56.160 to see a movie that puts him in the lead 0:36:56.280 --> 0:36:59.200 that has taken advantage of that ability. 0:36:59.800 --> 0:37:03.759 And I think the kick Ass, right, yeah, kick Ass. 0:37:03.760 --> 0:37:07.880 He's such a standout like star, there's no there's some 0:37:08.239 --> 0:37:11.600 romantic chemistry, but it's not the sort of like sweeping 0:37:11.920 --> 0:37:14.160 like grand central part of the plot. 0:37:14.280 --> 0:37:18.200 So kind forget yeah their kids exactly and. 0:37:18.239 --> 0:37:21.080 So like it's crazy because after seeing that movie, I thought, oh, 0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:24.960 for sure, like this guy's got next, Like he's got all. 0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:28.200 Of the components. It would behoove him. I think to 0:37:28.320 --> 0:37:30.399 take sort of a sweeping We do have. 0:37:30.320 --> 0:37:32.520 Anakarin in a but that movie's not great and for 0:37:32.560 --> 0:37:35.160 whatever reason, not sparking. 0:37:35.680 --> 0:37:37.440 They do not have a lot of chemistry. 0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:41.440 And also it's a very specific like Joe Wright was 0:37:41.480 --> 0:37:43.879 really in his like you know. 0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:48.319 Yes moment, like. 0:37:48.480 --> 0:37:51.320 It's not necessarily about that Aaron Taylor Johnson in a 0:37:51.400 --> 0:37:54.240 rom com Why haven't I seen it? Or it seems 0:37:54.239 --> 0:37:56.560 like it would make so much sense apart from when 0:37:56.560 --> 0:37:59.840 he was in his whole career began with angus thongs 0:37:59.840 --> 0:38:02.719 of full frontal snogging where he was the lead for 0:38:02.880 --> 0:38:04.239 romantic Lead. 0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:07.520 It was based on an English book Shocked. 0:38:07.400 --> 0:38:10.440 Me, Let Me, Let me just throw something at you, 0:38:11.760 --> 0:38:14.240 Normal People, but it starred Aaron Taylor Johnson. 0:38:14.640 --> 0:38:17.680 Oh, I'm unwell. 0:38:19.719 --> 0:38:27.279 Where the role that that made us think there is 0:38:27.320 --> 0:38:28.319 some juice. 0:38:28.239 --> 0:38:31.239 Okay, because I'm saying if Aaron Taylor Johnson is in 0:38:31.360 --> 0:38:35.000 Normal People and he and then Aaron Taylor Johnson gets 0:38:35.040 --> 0:38:37.360 crossing Gladiator too, we might have been having a different 0:38:37.400 --> 0:38:40.000 discussion about what might. 0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:42.200 Have been what might happen to me? 0:38:42.400 --> 0:38:45.800 I'm like, where is the where's that? Where's the normal people? 0:38:45.920 --> 0:38:48.120 And we are in this kind of era of like 0:38:49.680 --> 0:38:52.640 there's a lot of romance fiction. There's a lot of 0:38:52.760 --> 0:38:54.040 romance like it's. 0:38:56.440 --> 0:38:59.520 In a way, yeah it hasn't before, in a way, 0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:05.120 where's the story for this, like incredibly fucking guy, It's 0:39:05.160 --> 0:39:06.600 a mystery to me what. 0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:15.960 About Johnson and Baby Girl. 0:39:12.280 --> 0:39:17.000 For the role the controversy Spicy Carmon. 0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:18.359 Get out. 0:39:18.520 --> 0:39:19.920 I'm not gonna say anything else. 0:39:20.080 --> 0:39:25.080 I'm not gonna say anything album save for hot topic, 0:39:25.239 --> 0:39:33.640 Babe subscribers. Okay, Aaron Johnson he is. 0:39:34.239 --> 0:39:35.360 He does give his. 0:39:35.320 --> 0:39:38.200 Last big moment as he kind of runs into the 0:39:38.239 --> 0:39:40.759 sea and he screams after his son, and you kind 0:39:40.760 --> 0:39:43.719 of feel this lot control and you think, wow, this 0:39:43.920 --> 0:39:48.200 is such a powerful way to end this really serious movement. 0:39:48.560 --> 0:39:53.279 What could ever happened change that smash Cat meet the 0:39:53.440 --> 0:39:57.800 Jimmy's Baby. How did you guys feel about the final 0:39:58.000 --> 0:39:58.720 five minutes? 0:39:58.800 --> 0:40:01.319 I think I grabbed you and I screening, I was like, 0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:05.200 what is screaming? 0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:08.000 I was like, what's happening? 0:40:08.200 --> 0:40:10.680 What this? 0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:12.280 And you don't know there's a sequel coming? 0:40:12.600 --> 0:40:19.640 Like you'd wait, and also like why is it this? 0:40:19.920 --> 0:40:23.600 Another connection to Sinners here is that Jack O'Connell stars 0:40:23.640 --> 0:40:26.200 in like an insane guest role. Now we do not 0:40:26.320 --> 0:40:28.440 get as much of him as we do with Remiic 0:40:28.480 --> 0:40:33.560 obviously because Remick is the antagonist of Sinners, but it 0:40:33.600 --> 0:40:37.400 is unbelievable and he shows up in his purple tracksuit 0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:40.200 with his tabor on and he's like, oh hi, I'm 0:40:40.280 --> 0:40:43.920 Jimmy the pals and and they kind of jump and 0:40:43.960 --> 0:40:49.760 they have this crazy action sequenced like Kung Fu fight moment. 0:40:50.320 --> 0:40:51.400 For me, I did. 0:40:51.800 --> 0:40:55.000 I I really did like this movie a lot, and 0:40:55.040 --> 0:40:57.800 I was looking at it from a very objective like, Wow, 0:40:57.840 --> 0:41:01.640 this is so well made. I think that ending just 0:41:01.719 --> 0:41:04.719 kind of tied everything together for me of like, you 0:41:04.800 --> 0:41:07.080 know what, you guys are really going for it, and 0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:09.560 that's when we kind of that's when we learn that 0:41:09.719 --> 0:41:13.080 Jimmy is not Jamie the bad dad played by Aaron 0:41:13.120 --> 0:41:13.840 Taylor Johnson. 0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:15.080 We assume throughout the. 0:41:15.000 --> 0:41:17.400 Movie that's who he is is he's the survivor of 0:41:17.400 --> 0:41:19.360 the Telly Tubby massacre, let's call it. 0:41:19.640 --> 0:41:21.600 And uh no, it's actually not. 0:41:21.760 --> 0:41:25.320 It's Jack O'Connell's Jimmy and his team of track suited 0:41:25.560 --> 0:41:29.440 Jimmy who will wear blonde wigs. And my theory because 0:41:29.440 --> 0:41:32.719 of how much they use VHS footage and b ROW 0:41:32.760 --> 0:41:35.319 footage that I pitched on mine and Jason's recap is 0:41:35.719 --> 0:41:38.360 I think that like they basically are going to be 0:41:38.480 --> 0:41:41.480 revealed to have like taught themselves how to fight via 0:41:41.640 --> 0:41:45.920 totally love and please can I go a little further. 0:41:46.080 --> 0:41:51.200 I would love it, I think, because I'm like, when 0:41:51.239 --> 0:41:53.600 did did Guy Richie direct the last five? 0:41:53.800 --> 0:41:57.240 Right? Truly? 0:41:58.320 --> 0:42:02.120 And so I almost wonder if there's not gonna be 0:42:02.160 --> 0:42:06.080 a flashback where we realized like they had Teletubbies and Snatch. 0:42:09.120 --> 0:42:12.239 Love thats too. 0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:15.040 Yeah, there's so much happening because Miami heat thought was like, oh, 0:42:15.040 --> 0:42:18.600 this is very like King George, all like the animated Robinhood. 0:42:19.800 --> 0:42:22.439 Then you get very Robinhood asked of, like hey, we're 0:42:22.480 --> 0:42:25.680 a gang of like not kinds, but like people traveling 0:42:26.520 --> 0:42:30.320 protecting folks, and like it's it's such like a mash 0:42:30.520 --> 0:42:34.359 like a dichotomy mashup of like two distart like and. 0:42:34.440 --> 0:42:39.440 Just visually it looks insane competitive rest of. 0:42:40.200 --> 0:42:43.799 And then there's I mean, the fact that you have 0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:49.000 people doing backflips into like martial in the. 0:42:49.160 --> 0:42:53.400 Craziest like color track suits like the brightest most. 0:42:54.800 --> 0:42:57.800 Side and I love them. 0:42:57.840 --> 0:43:04.080 There's this like introduction to of Jimmy's exaggerated kind of 0:43:04.600 --> 0:43:07.080 posh persona. 0:43:06.560 --> 0:43:11.080 Where I'm su Jimmy like I'm Jow and he asks, 0:43:11.200 --> 0:43:14.640 you know, very politely, well, there's too many now coming, 0:43:14.800 --> 0:43:14.920 is it? 0:43:15.000 --> 0:43:15.160 Well? 0:43:15.239 --> 0:43:15.359 Right? 0:43:15.400 --> 0:43:18.040 If we step in and just like asks like, hey, 0:43:18.040 --> 0:43:20.520 can we get involved in the fight, like it is 0:43:20.960 --> 0:43:29.279 so weird. I do want to row, Yeah, it's your 0:43:29.440 --> 0:43:34.400 gen pop like question. I do wonder how gen pop 0:43:34.480 --> 0:43:38.320 will take this because it is a hard laughter. 0:43:39.320 --> 0:43:39.520 Yeah. 0:43:39.719 --> 0:43:42.800 Really, I think for some people it's gonna like ruin 0:43:42.880 --> 0:43:43.640 the movie. 0:43:44.400 --> 0:43:45.920 That's what I've been hearing. 0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:51.440 But I feel like I feel like one I'm gonna reveal, 0:43:51.760 --> 0:43:54.360 and I just kind of a light trigger warning it 0:43:54.440 --> 0:43:56.839 because this person was just so evil in real life, 0:43:56.840 --> 0:44:01.000 but I'm gonna reveal the dark influence on this that 0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:04.560 I think makes it deeply into the thing. There was 0:44:04.600 --> 0:44:07.240 a guy who was a very famous kids TV presenter 0:44:07.280 --> 0:44:09.799 in England called Jimmy Saville who wore a track suit 0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:17.440 like that, who was one of the most abhorrent humans 0:44:17.480 --> 0:44:20.440 who's ever lived, like a complete monster. Don't google it 0:44:20.480 --> 0:44:22.040 if you don't want to know, google it if you 0:44:22.040 --> 0:44:23.239 do want to know. I'm not going to get into 0:44:23.239 --> 0:44:25.680 it anymore. But the fact that this character is called 0:44:25.760 --> 0:44:28.960 Jimmy grew up in the early two thousands wear's the tracksuit. 0:44:29.320 --> 0:44:31.040 He had a show called jim Will Fix It where 0:44:31.040 --> 0:44:34.160 he went around helping kids. That was kind of guyes 0:44:34.680 --> 0:44:38.120 so I do think that on a British pop culture 0:44:38.239 --> 0:44:41.560 level that is not an accident. So I wonder if 0:44:41.600 --> 0:44:45.480 in England it will give people that kind of unsettling feeling. 0:44:45.760 --> 0:44:47.479 For me, I didn't read that. 0:44:47.680 --> 0:44:49.920 Like when I watched the movie, I was just loving 0:44:49.960 --> 0:44:52.520 how weird it was, but afterwards I was like, Okay, 0:44:52.520 --> 0:44:56.600 there's no way, sir Jimmy Jimmy Savile's knighted. I don't 0:44:56.640 --> 0:44:59.239 think there's any way that this is not some kind 0:44:59.280 --> 0:45:04.200 of again, another weird, dark reflection about TV and movies 0:45:04.280 --> 0:45:06.640 and how they raise us, and also like what's better 0:45:06.680 --> 0:45:13.280 without technology or what don't they know? Yeah, I'm not surprised, 0:45:13.360 --> 0:45:16.560 and I think, if I'm not mistaken, in two thousand 0:45:16.560 --> 0:45:17.160 and two. 0:45:17.520 --> 0:45:20.640 They would not have known the truth of Jimmy Savill. 0:45:20.840 --> 0:45:21.799 That's the either thing. 0:45:21.960 --> 0:45:24.440 So it hadn't I don't think it had broken yet, 0:45:24.840 --> 0:45:27.279 so they could have grown up thinking that this guy 0:45:27.440 --> 0:45:30.640 is like a good person and that like is something 0:45:30.680 --> 0:45:33.640 they remember from being kids. So I think there's like 0:45:33.719 --> 0:45:37.000 a lot of extra layers to it, which I'm hoping 0:45:37.719 --> 0:45:40.840 at least in international markets or in English markets, or 0:45:40.880 --> 0:45:43.200 maybe I don't know, maybe the TikTok kids who love 0:45:43.239 --> 0:45:45.880 true crime, who kind of combo that with horror. Maybe 0:45:45.880 --> 0:45:49.160 there's a world where once it's explored, it hits people 0:45:49.239 --> 0:45:52.759 a little deeper. But it is like, I do not 0:45:52.920 --> 0:45:55.960 blame the people I've seen on IMDb or letterbox two 0:45:55.960 --> 0:45:57.000 are like, what the fuck was. 0:45:57.000 --> 0:45:59.000 The last five minutes? I don't want to see the 0:45:59.040 --> 0:46:00.799 next movie now, But. 0:46:00.880 --> 0:46:04.600 I think that they're I think it's creepy on many 0:46:04.719 --> 0:46:07.960 levels and could hint at many different versions of kind 0:46:08.000 --> 0:46:10.120 of like where the story goes next. 0:46:10.920 --> 0:46:13.520 I thought the way that they oh, oh sorry, I 0:46:13.640 --> 0:46:15.480 was gonna say, I thought it was really cool. The 0:46:15.480 --> 0:46:17.840 way that they hinted at Jimmy. Throughout the movie we 0:46:17.880 --> 0:46:21.600 see Jimmy written on the back of the person that 0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:23.640 has been hung up inside the house. 0:46:24.160 --> 0:46:25.480 We see it says on. 0:46:25.320 --> 0:46:28.320 One of the barns from one of the area Jimmy 0:46:28.360 --> 0:46:31.960 comes from the clouds or something like that. And once, 0:46:32.640 --> 0:46:34.279 even though I had no idea what the fuck was 0:46:34.320 --> 0:46:36.080 going on, I was like, Oh, this is so cool. 0:46:36.080 --> 0:46:37.319 They tied it all. They tied it all. 0:46:37.360 --> 0:46:39.759 That was the thing as well, because also they when 0:46:39.800 --> 0:46:44.359 we when the dad Aaron Taylor John says, Jamie and 0:46:45.080 --> 0:46:48.239 our kids Spike are like going through you saw that 0:46:48.280 --> 0:46:51.440 the house had Jimmy scraped on the side, so like 0:46:51.760 --> 0:46:53.520 you were like, well, that's the reason he knows because 0:46:53.560 --> 0:46:55.719 obviously when he was younger, he would come here and 0:46:56.080 --> 0:46:58.680 you know, but it's not him. And yeah, I'm very 0:46:58.680 --> 0:47:01.359 excited to see how that's typically lands. 0:47:01.080 --> 0:47:06.080 Because I also like for someone who is you know. 0:47:07.040 --> 0:47:09.080 More of a less of a gem pop viewer and 0:47:09.080 --> 0:47:11.440 more of like a weird B movie viewer. I actually 0:47:11.480 --> 0:47:14.600 think that and kind of sells it more and will 0:47:14.600 --> 0:47:16.160 make people like intrigued. 0:47:16.600 --> 0:47:19.280 So yeah, how intrigued are we. 0:47:19.400 --> 0:47:22.279 Going forward to twenty eight years later? Bone Temple, Like, 0:47:22.360 --> 0:47:23.480 how excited are you for that? 0:47:23.600 --> 0:47:23.960 Jason? 0:47:24.840 --> 0:47:27.840 Oh, I'm very excited. I mean, I'm like you, you know, 0:47:28.040 --> 0:47:31.360 I'm one of these letterbox coastal elites. 0:47:31.640 --> 0:47:35.880 Correct, how watched two hundred and sixty seven movies this year? 0:47:35.920 --> 0:47:37.759 Baby, I don't do anything important. 0:47:38.280 --> 0:47:43.960 Who loves, you know, nothing more than a huge swing 0:47:44.239 --> 0:47:46.920 in a movie, even if it doesn't land, you know, 0:47:47.120 --> 0:47:51.160 like listen, I love a big bucket of popcorn movies. 0:47:51.400 --> 0:47:53.680 We obviously love Marvel movies and comic book movies and 0:47:53.760 --> 0:47:56.320 some of the most popular stuff out there. And maybe 0:47:56.320 --> 0:47:58.520 because of that. I love when movies like this do 0:47:58.560 --> 0:48:02.160 something super super weird. So very excited, super excited that 0:48:02.520 --> 0:48:06.279 Killian Murphy's coming back. I wonder who else will come 0:48:06.320 --> 0:48:10.640 back from that original cast. Yes, and I'm really excited 0:48:10.680 --> 0:48:16.000 to see again this kind of Canterbury tales, like wandering 0:48:16.360 --> 0:48:21.760 through what this island is like? Now, I'm very excited 0:48:21.800 --> 0:48:22.000 for it. 0:48:22.000 --> 0:48:22.960 What about you, Joelle? 0:48:23.760 --> 0:48:25.800 I can't wait Nia DaCosta is here, guys. 0:48:26.239 --> 0:48:27.600 I love that. 0:48:28.680 --> 0:48:29.880 I love the Candy Man remake. 0:48:29.920 --> 0:48:31.280 I thought it was effing brilliant. 0:48:31.960 --> 0:48:34.319 I cannot wait to see what she does with this, 0:48:34.440 --> 0:48:38.200 and especially given like where like the Sharp Turn sort 0:48:38.239 --> 0:48:41.360 of allows her to do whatever she wants artistically in 0:48:41.480 --> 0:48:43.359 her approaching the next one. It's sort of really kicked 0:48:43.360 --> 0:48:45.880 open the door to be like, bring your sense of 0:48:45.920 --> 0:48:48.319 self to the page. And so I'm excited to see 0:48:48.320 --> 0:48:49.160 what she does with it. 0:48:49.560 --> 0:48:52.360 And my understanding as well is like the Bone Temple 0:48:52.440 --> 0:48:55.719 is actually already completely filmed. They send them back to back, 0:48:55.840 --> 0:48:58.560 so you know it is gonna definitely interconnect. 0:48:58.040 --> 0:48:58.600 With this space. 0:48:58.840 --> 0:49:01.960 Whereas the third movie, as yet un named, has not 0:49:02.040 --> 0:49:03.920 even been written yet, so I think we're in an 0:49:03.960 --> 0:49:06.279 interesting kind of into the Spider Verse, like. 0:49:06.480 --> 0:49:08.120 When will that third movie come out? 0:49:08.160 --> 0:49:08.480 Colmon? 0:49:08.520 --> 0:49:11.120 How about you? Are you ready for the Bone Temple? 0:49:11.480 --> 0:49:14.680 Or I'm making January? I will be there. 0:49:15.239 --> 0:49:17.759 It's not even that far away, guys, We're gonna be that. 0:49:18.960 --> 0:49:20.959 I love January as a yes. 0:49:21.120 --> 0:49:24.040 When I'm sad because Christmas is over, I want to 0:49:24.160 --> 0:49:27.959 be seeing a good horror movie in the cinema. I like, yes, 0:49:28.040 --> 0:49:30.880 I'm depressed, show me something bleak and upsetting. 0:49:31.360 --> 0:49:34.440 I'm most excited to see where they take like all 0:49:34.440 --> 0:49:36.760 of the cult aspects from the original community. 0:49:36.760 --> 0:49:37.799 What are we going to learn about that? 0:49:37.880 --> 0:49:39.680 What are we going to learn about the Jimmy's and 0:49:40.080 --> 0:49:43.880 what are we going I do want to talk really quickly, 0:49:44.440 --> 0:49:47.759 just for a second, if you'll let about the arg rel. 0:49:49.080 --> 0:49:51.680 Let's quickly bring arg back because. 0:49:51.440 --> 0:49:53.719 I think it's coming back because it ties into what 0:49:53.760 --> 0:49:56.799 I've got to say here. Because one of the interesting things. 0:49:56.840 --> 0:50:00.359 So there was an ergy for this for this, which 0:50:00.400 --> 0:50:02.480 is a website that kind of like companions and gives 0:50:02.480 --> 0:50:04.400 you more information about the movie if you want to 0:50:04.400 --> 0:50:08.240 look into it. It's called rage leaks dot com and 0:50:08.400 --> 0:50:10.960 it's like a WikiLeaks and the password to it is 0:50:11.000 --> 0:50:14.040 momentumory and it shows you all of these kind of 0:50:14.160 --> 0:50:18.080 like external reports that are being done on the island 0:50:18.200 --> 0:50:20.680 from just people that are flying over or observing with 0:50:20.760 --> 0:50:25.719 drones and stuff like that. Apparently the outside world has 0:50:25.920 --> 0:50:31.040 absolutely no idea what's going on on the island of 0:50:31.200 --> 0:50:34.840 the former United Kingdom, which I'm very very interested to 0:50:34.880 --> 0:50:38.160 see how that ties in as well, because the website 0:50:38.239 --> 0:50:41.080 kind of gives you the hint that people are so 0:50:41.200 --> 0:50:43.640 fed up with with the mystery that they have just 0:50:43.719 --> 0:50:47.080 started leaking information to the public. So I'm interested to 0:50:47.120 --> 0:50:49.120 know if we zoom out at all and see like 0:50:49.360 --> 0:50:50.840 a little bit more of what the rest of the 0:50:50.840 --> 0:50:54.120 world is doing. We got a hint of it with Eric, 0:50:54.800 --> 0:50:55.640 But how. 0:50:55.680 --> 0:50:58.719 Was some of the funniest most stuff. 0:50:58.440 --> 0:51:01.680 In the movie kind of notion of how much you 0:51:01.719 --> 0:51:04.840 can be left behind if you're just out of social 0:51:04.960 --> 0:51:07.800 culture for like twenty eight years. They still have mobile phones, 0:51:08.000 --> 0:51:10.440 they still have plastic surgery, they still have all this 0:51:10.600 --> 0:51:14.080 other stuff. Like I think that it's really interesting, and 0:51:14.120 --> 0:51:18.560 I will say, uh, you know an arg guys, it 0:51:18.680 --> 0:51:21.160 was very popular. I'm sure all our listeners will remember 0:51:21.200 --> 0:51:24.359 the famous Dark Night ARG. But I think maybe these 0:51:24.440 --> 0:51:28.600 kind of websites, these kind of alternate reality gaming, kind 0:51:28.640 --> 0:51:31.959 of like how do you install someone into the world 0:51:32.040 --> 0:51:34.319 of the movie is coming back? Because there was also 0:51:34.440 --> 0:51:38.680 a very scary bring Her Back Yes website that me 0:51:38.760 --> 0:51:41.600 and Carmen got to each other late at night and 0:51:41.640 --> 0:51:44.359 we're like, I gotta look at it, like I gotta wait, 0:51:44.400 --> 0:51:47.080 I gotta wait till the morning. So I love the 0:51:47.120 --> 0:51:50.840 idea that that is, uh, that that's gonna come back 0:51:51.560 --> 0:51:54.680 and and kind of feed into that stuff. So yeah, 0:51:54.719 --> 0:51:58.000 I'm excited. Keep doing fun digital marketing guys. It's yeah, 0:51:58.080 --> 0:51:59.320 makes me feel young again. 0:51:59.719 --> 0:52:04.960 Yeah, Okay, we're gonna take a quick break, come back 0:52:05.000 --> 0:52:10.000 with our metal Podium of Horror sequels. 0:52:25.120 --> 0:52:25.640 And we're back. 0:52:25.960 --> 0:52:31.920 Okay, Metal Podium of Horror Sequels. Let's quickly go around 0:52:31.920 --> 0:52:35.680 the horn. What do we think our best horror movie 0:52:35.760 --> 0:52:39.719 sequel is of all time? And then let's see if 0:52:39.719 --> 0:52:41.000 we can kind of slap. 0:52:40.760 --> 0:52:42.560 These maybe we can agree together. 0:52:42.760 --> 0:52:46.040 Yeah, yeah, that's what I think we'll do. Okay, rosielet's 0:52:46.040 --> 0:52:47.360 start with you. What's your best. 0:52:48.000 --> 0:52:50.080 Okay, I'm gonna go for one that I know Jason, 0:52:50.160 --> 0:52:52.560 you are gonna agree with me on at least I'm 0:52:52.600 --> 0:52:55.200 gonna not say a silly one like Shax or something 0:52:55.280 --> 0:52:57.200 like that. Though I do love that movie. I'm gonna 0:52:57.200 --> 0:53:02.279 say and Dead because iconic, I think it's up there. 0:53:02.320 --> 0:53:05.640 I think it's a capitalist kind of satire in a 0:53:05.680 --> 0:53:08.520 way that movies like twenty eight years Later are still 0:53:08.520 --> 0:53:09.400 taking from. 0:53:09.520 --> 0:53:10.839 And yeah, just fantastic movie. 0:53:11.800 --> 0:53:14.879 I agree that that should probably be up there. We'll 0:53:14.960 --> 0:53:17.520 keep track of that. Okay, so we've got that Carmen, 0:53:17.840 --> 0:53:20.439 your greatest horror sequel of all time? 0:53:21.120 --> 0:53:23.400 Well, this one might be controversial because it is technically 0:53:23.400 --> 0:53:25.560 like an action sci fi horror. 0:53:26.000 --> 0:53:30.400 I'm gonna say aliens, Aliens. 0:53:34.080 --> 0:53:36.560 Yeah, I now we're going Now, we're going back into 0:53:36.640 --> 0:53:40.880 our previous round table genrefy this. 0:53:45.560 --> 0:53:49.200 Okay, Well you're gonna pick it, will allow it, Okay, Jason, 0:53:49.239 --> 0:53:49.920 what about you? 0:53:51.360 --> 0:53:54.239 Those are two great ones. And since those are off 0:53:54.239 --> 0:53:55.040 the board. 0:53:55.560 --> 0:53:56.920 I'm too. 0:53:58.520 --> 0:54:04.279 Iconic, I would say as well that that's pretty That 0:54:04.320 --> 0:54:08.719 would be pretty gold leaning in my opinion, because I 0:54:08.719 --> 0:54:11.759 do think it's essentially like the first kind of requel 0:54:11.840 --> 0:54:14.360 to where they kind of remade the movie with a 0:54:14.400 --> 0:54:17.680 bigger budget but then gave it this but sort of 0:54:17.719 --> 0:54:20.560 like allowed it to expand and without that second movie, 0:54:20.560 --> 0:54:22.000 I don't know if we're ever going to get like 0:54:22.040 --> 0:54:24.439 the ash Vessus, the Evil Dead and all those very 0:54:24.520 --> 0:54:25.840 impactful sequel. 0:54:25.920 --> 0:54:29.080 That's a really good Joelle. Are you thinking that? She's like, 0:54:29.160 --> 0:54:30.040 what can I do to? 0:54:30.680 --> 0:54:31.800 I got this okay? 0:54:31.880 --> 0:54:33.719 So at first I was gonna say teach, but then 0:54:33.760 --> 0:54:35.520 I was like, that's two action films with that to 0:54:35.560 --> 0:54:39.319 decide two sci fi about because I really like the 0:54:39.360 --> 0:54:41.520 way that that character introduction. 0:54:46.960 --> 0:54:47.520 Favorite. 0:54:47.760 --> 0:54:50.680 Wow, I got one of my own favorite movies. 0:54:50.840 --> 0:54:52.959 I think I'm gonna land on Final Destination five. 0:54:55.920 --> 0:55:00.000 I love that choice. I love that choice. The review 0:55:00.239 --> 0:55:01.879 of the prequel nature of. 0:55:03.800 --> 0:55:05.560 You're watching it and you're like, oh my, that's so good, 0:55:05.600 --> 0:55:07.439 Like the whole franchise is back, and then the ending 0:55:07.440 --> 0:55:08.600 cols you just like smacking the face. 0:55:08.600 --> 0:55:10.160 You're like, my god, what have they done? 0:55:10.280 --> 0:55:12.560 Like if you're already a fan of this franchise, it's 0:55:12.600 --> 0:55:16.120 just like you feel like you've ascended when you finished watching. 0:55:15.840 --> 0:55:17.400 That Movie's true. 0:55:18.440 --> 0:55:21.120 You know something else I love about that movie is 0:55:21.160 --> 0:55:23.560 I feel like I when I'm talking about it in 0:55:23.560 --> 0:55:26.200 this context, obviously I know what happened, but every time 0:55:26.200 --> 0:55:27.600 I watched the movie, I feel like I get to 0:55:27.600 --> 0:55:30.200 the end, and I'm like, oh, yeah, cool, what happens that? 0:55:30.280 --> 0:55:36.759 I It's like some kind of hypnotism. Okay, Jason as 0:55:36.880 --> 0:55:41.120 a sports expert, what is your where do you see 0:55:41.160 --> 0:55:42.560 these podiums lining up? 0:55:42.600 --> 0:55:44.920 And then we'll see if anyone just screams in horror? 0:55:44.960 --> 0:55:47.240 Okay, So let's let's do it like this. I agree 0:55:47.239 --> 0:55:49.920 with you, Rosie. I think Evil did too, because of 0:55:49.960 --> 0:55:53.880 the indie nature of it, because it kind of created 0:55:53.920 --> 0:55:57.960 a mini movement in horror at the time, and because 0:55:58.000 --> 0:56:00.919 it remains I mean, it took everything that was great 0:56:00.920 --> 0:56:03.560 about the first one and just elevated it. Let's let's 0:56:03.560 --> 0:56:08.239 put and it's let's also acknowledge there are many sequels, 0:56:08.239 --> 0:56:11.759 and there's you know, Horror is a sequel, John Enra, 0:56:12.160 --> 0:56:15.920 there are not many that are better than the original. 0:56:16.000 --> 0:56:19.320 Like that doesn't happen very much. Okay, So I'm gonna 0:56:19.440 --> 0:56:23.520 I think Evil Dead to probably on the gold mm hmm. 0:56:26.280 --> 0:56:30.520 I want to give it to Here's the thing, is 0:56:30.680 --> 0:56:33.080 Aliens enough of horror I'm. 0:56:32.920 --> 0:56:36.680 Putting I'm putting Aliens on the side of Brian. And 0:56:36.760 --> 0:56:37.319 that's why I. 0:56:39.000 --> 0:56:42.720 Kind of agree, because I feel like it's not horror 0:56:42.880 --> 0:56:55.319 enough to get all the way onto the. 0:56:54.360 --> 0:56:54.600 Good. 0:56:57.719 --> 0:57:02.799 So I'm gonna so I am to put I'm gonna 0:57:02.800 --> 0:57:06.040 put on in the Dead Silver, and then I would put. 0:57:07.480 --> 0:57:07.680 F. D. 0:57:07.880 --> 0:57:13.640 Sinco in the Bronze, and then I would aliens sadly 0:57:13.760 --> 0:57:18.920 crying assid tears to the side of the podium. But listen, 0:57:19.000 --> 0:57:21.600 love the movie. Think of it more as a sci 0:57:21.640 --> 0:57:24.439 fi as a military sci fi. But it definitely. 0:57:24.520 --> 0:57:28.400 Explained the science. In the fast fifteen minutes though of 0:57:28.520 --> 0:57:29.720 the alien. 0:57:30.120 --> 0:57:33.439 They explain how she's still alive. But they. 0:57:35.440 --> 0:57:40.120 Okay, do we have any quickly as we wrap up, 0:57:40.160 --> 0:57:43.920 do we have any sequels that we feel like should 0:57:43.920 --> 0:57:45.440 at least be mentioned here? 0:57:47.800 --> 0:57:50.480 You know, I have to say I actually like the 0:57:50.520 --> 0:57:57.000 sequel to thee. 0:57:54.080 --> 0:57:59.120 Okay, yes, agree, I was conjuring the second the Second 0:58:00.320 --> 0:58:04.480 and the Second Country movie where it's an that's really good. 0:58:04.920 --> 0:58:07.000 I would also say, like, I do think there is 0:58:07.040 --> 0:58:10.000 a space for like campy horror sequels. 0:58:10.040 --> 0:58:15.840 I do think Jason X is like at. 0:58:13.680 --> 0:58:14.400 The New BEV. 0:58:17.440 --> 0:58:20.080 We got to do just the sequels episode honestly, because 0:58:20.080 --> 0:58:22.800 even like one of my favorite movies of all time 0:58:22.840 --> 0:58:24.800 that I saw in a double bill that I swear 0:58:24.840 --> 0:58:26.840 to God was like programmed for me at the New 0:58:26.880 --> 0:58:30.240 BEV with Jason x is Hell Raiser. 0:58:30.000 --> 0:58:31.919 Black One, which is the fourth one. 0:58:33.000 --> 0:58:36.840 Adam Scott in it as like a sexy Sato masochistic 0:58:37.280 --> 0:58:39.280 like murderer who gets the the. 0:58:41.720 --> 0:58:44.760 I love any scream scream. 0:58:45.160 --> 0:58:48.800 I think could scream. I also could scream. 0:58:48.880 --> 0:58:52.120 Four is up there, Like Emma Roberts is so good 0:58:52.120 --> 0:58:52.960 in that movie. 0:58:53.320 --> 0:58:55.480 Yeah, I mean, there's so many guys, but I think 0:58:55.560 --> 0:58:58.720 I like, I like the chaos of the one. It's 0:58:58.760 --> 0:59:02.520 like half So let's just keep it like gold Able, 0:59:02.600 --> 0:59:07.440 Dead two Fair, I love Don and Dead, fantastic movie, 0:59:07.920 --> 0:59:08.760 Brun's final. 0:59:08.800 --> 0:59:10.680 That's the Nation five. Yeah, well you're gonna do about it. 0:59:10.880 --> 0:59:11.440 That's all. 0:59:12.920 --> 0:59:16.920 We scream queens. 0:59:16.960 --> 0:59:20.000 Thank you so much, LUs to have you here, Thank 0:59:20.040 --> 0:59:20.680 you for having us. 0:59:20.680 --> 0:59:23.280 Thursday, on Extra Vision, we're diving into the first three 0:59:23.320 --> 0:59:32.160 episodes of Ironheart on Disney Plus Bye x Ray Vision 0:59:32.240 --> 0:59:34.760 is hosted by Jason Concepcion and Rosie Knight and is 0:59:34.800 --> 0:59:36.320 a production of iHeart Podcast. 0:59:36.680 --> 0:59:40.280 Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Cortman. 0:59:40.520 --> 0:59:42.560 Our supervising producer is Abuzafar. 0:59:42.960 --> 0:59:46.880 Our producers are Common Laurent Dean, Jonathan and fay Wag. 0:59:47.040 --> 0:59:49.800 A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme 0:59:49.840 --> 0:59:51.120 songs by Aaron Kauffman. 0:59:51.280 --> 0:59:54.680 Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman, and 0:59:54.760 --> 1:00:05.080 Heidi our discord moderator,