1 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: Unsigned and Independent Season two, episode four with I got 2 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell, Hey, Kevin, who's in this week? 3 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 2: We got Canaan Cox in this week. 4 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: Now I know Canaan because Canaan came up and said hello. 5 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: He was at the time waiting tables as he You 6 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 1: know a lot of artists they have to work jobs 7 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: so they can pursue their career music like most do. 8 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: And so I met up because it was like, hey, 9 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if you have any time, but check 10 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: it out. I saw his name and his Instagram, remembered it, 11 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: went to it and that took him out and opened 12 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: for me for sure. I mean we've kind of had, 13 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: you know, a cool little experience together. Why were you 14 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 1: intrigued by Canaan Cox. 15 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 2: Because he reached back out and I was interested in 16 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 2: hearing more of his story and we got in depth 17 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 2: more if even his love story, which is the first 18 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 2: time I've done this on the podcast, and kind of 19 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: how that molded him into the artist he is today. 20 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: It's a crazy one. His love story's crazy love story. Yeah, 21 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 2: he flew to your don't give too much on a 22 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: one way ticket. That's all I'm gonna say. Dang to 23 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 2: try to get a girl back. 24 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: I don't even know this, okay, and then at true 25 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: or false, I don't know if you guys talked about it. 26 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 2: He used to perform on cruise ships. Do you guys 27 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 2: talk about that? 28 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, Canaan has done a lot of interesting things to 29 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: lead him to this point. Now, So how'd you feel 30 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: about him when you were done? Do you feel like 31 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: he's a guy that could really take off soon? 32 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got a great character to him. He's funny, 33 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 2: he's very energetic. He does it all, from dancing to songwriting. 34 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 2: He does dance everything. Yeah, he does everything. He's just 35 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 2: an entertainer. 36 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 3: And isn't the case with a lot of these artists. 37 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: They have to do everything because they are unsigned and independent, 38 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: so they have to learn all these skills because they 39 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: have a recor label putting a bunch of. 40 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: Money into them. 41 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: Yet yeah, exactly, So here we go, unsigned and independent. 42 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: It's Kevin and Canaan Cox, which, by the way, his 43 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: new EP, end Up in a Song comes out May fifth, 44 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: and he said, hey, think he messaged me once and 45 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: set His streams went up to like twenty four thousand 46 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: a month to now a million after it came on 47 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: the show, which is pretty good for the old Bobby 48 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: Bone show. UF I do say so MYSELFE. And it 49 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: also shows really how good he is. All right, that's 50 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: the deal. Kevin O'Connell, unsigned and independent here on the 51 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: Bobby Cast. 52 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: Canaan. How are we doing today? Man? 53 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 3: Living the dream? I'm glad you said Canaan. Sometimes everyone 54 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 3: says Cannon like Canon Cox, like the most perfect poor 55 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 3: name on the planet, is right. 56 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 2: I didn't think about that until just now. It doesn't 57 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:23,119 Speaker 2: I've said, Yeah. 58 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 3: There's been time. I like, what where did you What 59 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 3: did you think that was? How you said that? 60 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: I am glad you brought that up right away. I 61 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 2: wanted to start with that because when I look at it, 62 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't think you're king. But the pronunciation 63 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 2: is Canaan, but it's spelled c A n A A n. Yeah, 64 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: so where does that name come from? 65 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 3: It's Biblical so like the land of Canaan. I mean 66 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 3: that depends on where you're from and how much Bobo 67 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 3: you've read, I guess in your life or where you 68 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 3: grew up. But yeah, the land of Canaan, it's like 69 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,399 Speaker 3: where Moses took It's the Promised Land or milk. Yeah, 70 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 3: so that makes me sound like a complete egotistical butthole. 71 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 3: But no, I'm the Promised Land. No, but that is it, 72 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:05,239 Speaker 3: you know in the Bible, that's where it's from. 73 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 2: Okay, well that shows how much I guess religion Bible. 74 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 2: I am well versed in. 75 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 3: You are not alone. Let people say Cannon Kanan is 76 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 3: what Starbucks usually says, Canan Cox. I'm like, what the planetary? 77 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 3: I mean, of course, like it's my name, so I 78 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 3: know that it's that, but usually I just say a 79 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 3: different name, or if my wife's with me, I'm just like, look, 80 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 3: you have a name for the order. I'm like Kimberly, 81 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 3: not even not even not even going to try, not 82 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 3: even gonna try. 83 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 2: Have you ever even used a fake name for yourself? 84 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 2: Like mine's as simple as can be. I'm Kevin. Yeah, 85 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 2: you know, have you ever said that I'm Kevin, I'm 86 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 2: Dave Ben Ben I've said Ben. Here you go. 87 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 3: I was like, I'm Ben. 88 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, have you ever told your parents or 89 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: your mom like, well, why do you have to give 90 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 2: me this name as people just mispronounced all the time. 91 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 3: No, I mean I'm just like student to the skid 92 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 3: with it. I love it. I've only met one other 93 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 3: person with that name, so it's unique. But I've never 94 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 3: never had any problems with it or never been like 95 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 3: come on, and luckily now, like Starbucks is probably the 96 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 3: only you know, coffee shops are the only place that 97 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 3: ever like take your name for certain orders or whatever. 98 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 3: And I just order online now so they can't get 99 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 3: it wrong. You just order on the app. And it's 100 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 3: like they still say it wrong, but at least I'll 101 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 3: spelled right. Sometimes I'll even give it to them. I'm 102 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 3: like c a n a a n and It'll come 103 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 3: out k a an e en and I'm like, what 104 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 3: the hell, Kenney caane, it's not my Instagram profile, and literally, 105 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 3: because it happens so much that it's literally it's my 106 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 3: Instagram Bio says, it's pronounced caanaan k a y hyphen 107 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 3: n I N kanaan. 108 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 2: So you're just like, right off the bat, I want 109 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 2: everybody to know right now this is in on this. Yeah, 110 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 2: don't start making grap up here. It's kanaan. 111 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 3: It's Kanaan. 112 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 2: Well, speaking of your mom family, parents, where are you from? 113 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 2: Talk about your upbringing a little bit. 114 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, grew up in uh Hendersonville, North Carolina. It's just 115 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 3: uh south of Asheville because no one ever knows where 116 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 3: Hendersonville is unless you're here, and then you think it's Hendersonville, Tennessee. 117 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 3: And yeah so but everyone pretty much knows where Ashville is. 118 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 3: But yeah, grew up, grew up there, you know, a 119 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 3: good old musical family. Mom still actually plays in a 120 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 3: like a band around town, just kind of the bar 121 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 3: scene over there. And Dad rights. We still write. We 122 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 3: haven't written in a long time there before things started 123 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 3: to kind of I don't know, quote unquote take off. 124 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 3: We've we had a few songs like actually out there 125 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 3: into Spotify and DSP's and stuff that he had actually 126 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 3: co written with me. But yeah, so we just kind 127 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 3: of grew up and music. My grandma played the piano. 128 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 3: I grew up listening to you know, her play and 129 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 3: Mom play and Dad play and those kind of things 130 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 3: and just kind of surrounded myself. 131 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 2: When did you move to Nashville? 132 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 3: I did cruise ships for three years. I performed a 133 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 3: cruise ships, just like playing the guitar on there and 134 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 3: got the you know, traveling and play in the pubs 135 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 3: and stuff like that, and then I moved right at 136 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 3: the end of twenty and sixteen is when I moved 137 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 3: to Nashville. Just yeah, I didn't know anyone, didn't know 138 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 3: anything that was going on. You know, obviously you hear 139 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 3: the cliches of you know, play downtown and right and 140 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 3: there's no If there was a right way to do it, 141 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 3: then we'd all be you know, famous by nowland country music, 142 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 3: yah know, and there there was just isn't and definitely 143 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 3: not not now I will get there. But yeah, So 144 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 3: I went downtown, started playing some shows, just did my thing. 145 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 3: I was literally what I was doing on cruise ships, 146 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 3: just copy and paste towards you know, Nashville. But knew 147 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 3: that that was just not a dead end, but it 148 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 3: wasn't where I wanted to be. I know a lot 149 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 3: of people get down there and they just get stuck 150 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 3: down there. So I went down there for a few 151 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 3: months and then started to do just trying to book 152 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 3: anything outside of here. I mean, you know, go and 153 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 3: look out, oh this place spend you know, random middle 154 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 3: of nowhere, Kentucky has this brewery, Hey brewery, do you 155 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 3: mind pay me one hundred bucks, I'll come up with 156 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 3: my pa and play for three hours. And did that 157 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 3: and did that for a while, and then it turned 158 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 3: out to be something pretty cool later, like we did 159 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 3: like a small radio tour to secondary radio, which is 160 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,559 Speaker 3: kind of the you know, more of the rural parts 161 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 3: of the states and stuff, and there's like five stations 162 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 3: in Wisconsin alone, and so we would I did a 163 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 3: radio campaign there and I was again, You're like, hey, 164 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 3: you adn't come up on a Wednesday, play in the 165 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 3: corner from four to seven on our happy hour at 166 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 3: the you know, off brand Applebee's. Yeah, you know, and 167 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 3: you're like, all right, cool, and you go and you're 168 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 3: playing right by the you know, men's toilet, and you're like, 169 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 3: this is cool, I guess. But now having you know, 170 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 3: you go and then those shows turn into full band shows, 171 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 3: and then full band shows you turn into ticketed shows, 172 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 3: and now like, yeah, we're going in May, we're on 173 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 3: the road playing in Green Bay and Omaha, that's all 174 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 3: ticketed shows. Oma Hole's almost sold out. Green Bay's a 175 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 3: guaranteed show, and you know, yeah, the hundred hundred bucks 176 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 3: show in the corner turned into those people who saw 177 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 3: you there are also there and now they have every 178 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 3: single shirt that you ever put out and know every 179 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 3: single song in the world, and yeah, it's just it 180 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 3: was a cool, cool build. 181 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. Did you ever have a time during that building 182 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 2: where you were thinking to yourself, maybe one night and 183 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 2: you're like, damn, I don't know, I want to do 184 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 2: this anymore? Some long nights. 185 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. So two nineteen, we were like we were just 186 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 3: sitting hard. I mean, we was just we can warrior stuff, 187 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 3: a lot of cover gigs, and things were starting to 188 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 3: progress because we were playing a bunch and again this 189 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 3: was pre COVID, and then COVID happened, and like we 190 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 3: had like chatted up with a few agencies I had 191 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 3: opened for a few folks, you know, some repid old names, 192 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 3: and I was like, okay, like this is going. We 193 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 3: got into some of the publishing houses to write, and 194 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 3: then COVID happened, and I'll see, it just screwed everybody 195 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 3: over well depending on which way you looked at it. 196 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 3: And then after the COVID kind of like cleared off, 197 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 3: we started doing the cover things again, and it was 198 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 3: right around I guess, you know, twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, 199 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 3: the things were back kind of renal quote unquote normal. 200 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 3: I got off the stage a lot and I'm like, 201 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 3: oh yeah, like we rocked, and I was like this sucks, 202 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 3: Like I'm so tired of playing everyone else's songs but mine. Yeah, 203 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 3: And before that, I don't think it was necessarily you know, 204 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 3: it was it was putting food on the table. You know, 205 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 3: it was putting you know, keeping the lights on, putting 206 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 3: a roof over my head. And I got married, Yeah, 207 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one, you know, got a little guy 208 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 3: and to take care of as well, and so those 209 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 3: you know, living at rock Star Weekend Warrior life became 210 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 3: less and less appealing because I was like this, you know, 211 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 3: this sucks. I don't want to miss his bedtime. And 212 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 3: that's actually I went back to serving. It's when I 213 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 3: gave Bobby, you know, Bobby Bonones the kosher at the restaurant. 214 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 3: And after that, I think I worked one more shift 215 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 3: and I picked up one of my friends needed someone 216 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:32,839 Speaker 3: to pick up a shift because there's something happened. I 217 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 3: was like, yeah, I'll do it. And then why didn't 218 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 3: work a single day again? I'm on a tangent. I 219 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 3: was literally in the middle of this. I was like, 220 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 3: where did we what was the question? The question? No, Yes, 221 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 3: there will have been times when I'm like, this sucks. 222 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 3: How do I get out of it? I think that 223 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 3: was last year. Yeah, we got We played a show 224 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 3: and one of the venues didn't pay us, and like 225 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 3: looking at my band, I was like, yeah, guys, I'm 226 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 3: gonna have to just pay out of my pocket and 227 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 3: being sure you guys are taking care of I call 228 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 3: my dad. I was like in tears, like I don't 229 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 3: know what to do anymore, Like I hate playing these songs. 230 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 3: I don't want to do this, but also I don't 231 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:10,839 Speaker 3: know what else I would do if I didn't do this. 232 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 3: And that was like a huge journey moment just for 233 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 3: like either you can go and keep playing those shows 234 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 3: and hate your life, or get off your not get 235 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 3: off your But I've always been like grinding and stuff, 236 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 3: but it's like there, it was a different game plan. Yeah, 237 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 3: I had different initiative. I guess. 238 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I get it. And then you talked about 239 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 2: this story with Bobby. For those of listening maybe they 240 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 2: haven't heard you before. You've been on the show a 241 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 2: couple of times and you've told the story, But can 242 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 2: you tell that again real quick right now, I'll snop 243 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 2: this of it and just kind of what happened that 244 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 2: night and how you came across Bobby and basically why 245 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 2: we're sitting here doing this. 246 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So the serving job I have when I 247 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 3: first moved into town obviously didn't do that anymore. I 248 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 3: stopped doing that in seventeen when I started playing some acoustics. 249 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 3: Shows went back during COVID. Obviously all shows got canceled 250 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty, so I was like, hey, restaurant, Dulfriscoes, 251 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 3: do you guys want to have me back out? And yeah, 252 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 3: long story short, I saw Bobby Bones come in. I 253 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 3: was like, I have to say something, like gotta do something, 254 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 3: So wrote my name down on a coaster and I 255 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 3: just literally said, hey, and you know, love your story, 256 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 3: love the hustle. I'm hustling, Like check me out, enjoy 257 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 3: your dinner. And they just got him and Kaitlyn got 258 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 3: married just you know, not too long or before that, 259 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 3: and so I just like, congratulations, enjoy. Did think anything 260 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 3: of it, and then literally I think it was at 261 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 3: Walmart the next day, like getting groceries or something, and 262 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 3: my phone round was like, Hey, this is a Micah. 263 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 3: We just give Bobby your name. Would you like to 264 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 3: be on the show? We'd like to give you a 265 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 3: call at least on Monday, and I was freaked out, 266 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 3: freaked out called was on the show, and then he 267 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 3: invited me on the show actually two days later to 268 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 3: sing and play, and it was yeah, it's definitely changed 269 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 3: my life. He's been, He's messaged me a few times 270 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 3: on you know, Instagram or I had a bunch of 271 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 3: people come out to shows. We try to book shows 272 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 3: that he was syndicated in with iHeart and some pds 273 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 3: like reached out and it was really cool and I 274 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 3: would take pictures like, hey, like this is because of 275 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 3: you know, send him sending the pictures to him and 276 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 3: he's like, this is, you know, super cool. And then 277 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 3: he had me back out on the show about eight 278 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 3: months later just to kind of check in, and he 279 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 3: had me open for him at the Strawberry Festival awesome, 280 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 3: which was yeah, which is super cool. But that was 281 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 3: that story and here we are now. 282 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 2: And that's the leads to this, What are some other 283 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 2: hobbies you have outside of making music or songwriting anything 284 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 2: else not musically involved. 285 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 3: Literally, I I don't think I have I don't have hobbies. 286 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 3: I hate to be that person, but it's like if 287 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 3: i'm not dad husband or we're working on the career. 288 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 3: I'll go to the movies, like I love cinema, and 289 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 3: that's kind of my two hour window of like I'll 290 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 3: actually turn my phone off and like not look at anything. 291 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 3: I'll just be like just immerse yourself into this world 292 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 3: and just not think about anything, which usually I'll watch 293 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 3: it and I'll get inspired and I'm like, oh, that's 294 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 3: a cool idea for a music video. So I'll have 295 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 3: to tell myself to stop that. But yeah, I don't 296 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 3: mean fitness. I work out. I love that. I used 297 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 3: to be like two hundred and eighty pounds and so 298 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 3: that's that's another story. But yeah, fitness is a huge 299 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 3: part of my life. So that's again the five o'clock 300 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 3: five am club, getting up, working out in the morning, 301 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 3: getting that done. 302 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 2: What is that fitness journey you're talking about. Then I 303 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 2: read upon that you had a major turning point in 304 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 2: your life physically mentally. Yeah, he talked about that story 305 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 2: a little. 306 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, it was in a horrible relationship. That's 307 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 3: the key of all good songs. And yeah, but she 308 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 3: just led me for another dude, literally said she wasn't 309 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 3: attraction anymore. And I was like, well, this is fun, 310 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 3: this is fantastic. Wrote a lot of songs about it, 311 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 3: but it did. Yeah, it hit me hard, and I 312 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 3: was like, this is I just yeah, I didn't like 313 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 3: what I was seeing in the mirror, not just physically 314 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 3: but mentally. I was like, man, I've been in denial 315 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 3: for a year and a half of this relationship. I 316 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 3: don't like the guy I see like it just there 317 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 3: was no security at all. It was just all insecure 318 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 3: and yeah. I called my brother's friend who was a trainer. 319 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 3: I was on a cruise ship at the time. I 320 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 3: was in the middle of the Mediterranean, I remember exactly. 321 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 3: It was like yesterday, and I messaged him. I was like, hey, man, 322 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 3: this is Canaan. I'm a Casey's little brother. I know 323 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 3: you're a trainer. Like, I don't care if you like 324 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 3: tie me to a truck and make me pull it 325 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 3: up a hill. I want to get in shape and 326 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 3: like get my life back together. And left the cruise 327 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 3: ship because that's where my my ex was at the 328 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 3: time and we were on the same ship together. Oh wow, 329 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 3: Yeah it was horrible. Well that's a whole nother thing. 330 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 3: We'll won't get there. But yeah, so I had literally 331 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 3: I was like, I can't be here anymore. The furthest 332 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 3: we could be away from each other is like one 333 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 3: hundred yards at all times. So uh yeah, flew back 334 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 3: and just it's been a thing ever since, like literally 335 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 3: since I think I did one more contract for Carnival 336 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 3: instead of the other ship I was on. But then yeah, 337 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 3: and then moved here, and then I met another trainer. 338 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 3: But yeah, it was around two eighty five at my worst, 339 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 3: I guess, and just went for it and I never 340 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 3: looked back. And it's just a huge, huge part of 341 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 3: like I said, yeah, my life. My it is a hobby. 342 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 3: But I can go like two and go forty eight 343 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 3: hours without doing cardio. I don't have to lift, but 344 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 3: if I can go forty eight hours without at least 345 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 3: doing some kind of cardio or I will turn into 346 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 3: a monster. 347 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 2: Yes, I know exactly what you're saying. Huge part of 348 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 2: my life as well. Yeah, I mean physically mentally everything. 349 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 2: I haven't worked on anything two days now, and I'm like, 350 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 2: I'm going crazy a little bit. Meant yeah, not even 351 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 2: just physically mentally. You were at two eighty five. 352 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, jeez, I was two eighty five and then the 353 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 3: we shot, I did the trainer back home in North Carolina, 354 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 3: and then I got here and then I wanted to 355 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 3: We were shooting a music video and it was like 356 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 3: a boxing theme, and I got with a trainer here 357 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 3: and he just changed my life because it was always like, 358 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 3: you know, always cool, like you know, you're eating granola 359 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 3: and yogurt and like fru, like this is healthy life. 360 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 3: So I dropped all that, like the excess weight up front, 361 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 3: and I was like cool, but I still like wasn't 362 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 3: looking like I wanted to. And then I met my 363 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 3: trainer here and he was like, screw all of that, 364 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 3: like you don't need to be in any of this. 365 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 3: And it's because so obviously, you know, you talk about 366 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 3: it and everyone let'say, oh blah blah blah. You looked 367 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 3: fine the way you were and whatever all that kind 368 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 3: of stuff. I was like, what I wanted to look like, 369 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 3: what I wanted to be I was. He was like, 370 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 3: you need to eat chicken and asparagus. That was it. 371 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 3: That's it. That was it. And so we had one 372 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 3: month for this music video and so yeah, for one month, 373 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 3: I had a couple of egg whites in the morning, 374 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 3: half a grapefruit, and then chicken breast and asparagus, protein 375 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 3: shake and almonds at three chicken and asparagus, chicken and asparagus. 376 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 3: And that's what I ate for an entire month before 377 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 3: the video, and it was everything. But I mean, obviously 378 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 3: that's extreme, and I'm not telling anyone to go out 379 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 3: there and do that. Unless you have a video in 380 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 3: four weeks, then sure go for it. After the video, 381 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 3: I did smash a whole beer, nachos, and a burger. 382 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 3: For those of you who are like, oh my god, 383 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 3: body shaming, but yes. 384 00:16:59,200 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: So. 385 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 3: He just shanged my life with just like I didn't 386 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 3: know what GI was of a I don't know if 387 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 3: anyone else does too, but like a fruit, like oh yeah, 388 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 3: like eating fruits good. I was like, yeah, well, actually, watermelon. 389 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 3: The GI the glucose index of a watermelon. Basically, it's 390 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 3: the speed of which something turns into sugar in your body. 391 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 3: A grapefruit is low. You think of like a speed. 392 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 3: So it's like cool. I could get this wrong, it 393 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 3: could be the opposite, it could be whatever, but great fruit. 394 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 3: Let's just say that. Like it's like a twenty twenty GI, 395 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 3: which means it breaks down in your body very slow, 396 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 3: which gives your body time to use it as energy. 397 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 3: Where you eat a watermelon and it basically is eating 398 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 3: skittles and you've got about fifteen seconds before your body goes, hmm, 399 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 3: that sugar, let us store that away is fat. And 400 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 3: so just learning all about that kind of stuff, it's 401 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 3: a big I guess you could say fitness is a 402 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 3: hobby because I do really love it in that sense 403 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 3: of how excited I just got talking about glucose index. 404 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 3: But yeah, just learning about all of those things and 405 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, an apple a day knocked your away, 406 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 3: but it'll also keep those love handles on. 407 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 2: You know, what are some good ones then they eat? 408 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, greatefruit is the best, which I was 409 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 3: surprised because it's so tasty. Grapefruits like cherries, like oranges 410 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 3: are okay, blueberries are like right in that mid range. 411 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 3: But sometimes like the watermelon's the kiwi's bananas, obviously it's 412 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 3: a little bit different. It's a different carb, it's a 413 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 3: different sugar, but it's still breaking down out your body 414 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 3: at a certain pace. So you can literally if you're 415 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 3: if you're actually interested in any of those whoever is listening, 416 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 3: just literally go like GI level fruits and the same 417 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 3: thing you do it with meats, you can do it 418 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 3: with vegetables. Office of vegetables aren't that bad, but like 419 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 3: the fruits are the big ones as far as like 420 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 3: how fast something breaks down in your body? 421 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 2: So okay, well if you you know you were tuning 422 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 2: into health and yeah, yeah, there we are. 423 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 3: Anyways, I got songs out to those. 424 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 2: Back to the music. Yeah, back to your life. You 425 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 2: know you said you had a bad relationship before and 426 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 2: now you're married, you have a kid. I see on Instagram, 427 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 2: beautiful kid wife. Everything you look at be what is 428 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 2: that relationship? Like how'd you two meet? And what's the 429 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 2: love story behind that? 430 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 3: That is for an entire other episode. If I won't 431 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 3: tell you all the things because it would take forever, 432 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 3: and it's very sweet. It is a Nicholas Sparks book, 433 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 3: if I do say so myself. And Lisa's over there. 434 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 3: She knows a little bit of the story. She knows 435 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 3: what's going down. But we met on cruise ships. She 436 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 3: was a dancer. I was a performer. I had just 437 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 3: gotten out of that crappy relationship that I was just 438 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 3: talking about, So I was in a pretty vulnerable place. 439 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 3: She was actually dating someone else. Yeah, and then whatever. 440 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 3: A couple months went by, and then we started dating 441 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 3: each other and I knew she was it, Like I 442 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 3: knew at whatever, twenty five, twenty six years old. I 443 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 3: was like, this is all my life and it could 444 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 3: have just been like stupid love and young love or whatever. 445 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 3: But I'm here to tell you that it wasn't because 446 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 3: I married her, but we broke up. She's from England, 447 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 3: so I got on a different ship, so we were 448 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 3: about to do long distance. We only dated for like 449 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 3: two and a half maybe three months, and that's how 450 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 3: I kind of knew that she was it. I was like, 451 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 3: we didn't date very long, but it still had the 452 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,239 Speaker 3: hold of me. But being this stupid twenty five year 453 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 3: old boy that I was, I was like, we're doing 454 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 3: long disneys. I don't know if this is going to work. 455 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 3: I broke it off and it was. Yeah, it was 456 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 3: just devastating. And then so, yeah, we separated three years past. 457 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 3: I'd moved here, hadn't. I'd reached out to her a 458 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 3: few times, like tried to like, hey, I've had dreams 459 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 3: about us being together and waking up and just straight 460 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 3: up tears crying because you're not actually in my life 461 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 3: at all. She didn't respond to anything, never said a 462 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 3: word to me. Yeah. And then in twenty nineteen, I 463 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 3: get a phone call and it was her and I 464 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, I've waited for this phone 465 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 3: call from my enentire life. And she got the English 466 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,239 Speaker 3: accent though. You know what I'm saying is that I 467 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 3: know what are you doing over that? I'm like, And 468 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,959 Speaker 3: so we chatted for like an hour and a half 469 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 3: and she told me about the my son. It's not 470 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 3: biologically mine, but he is. He is mine. We're actually 471 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 3: like one more step we have like a to sign 472 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 3: on Wednesday and he is officially adopted. So I thank you. 473 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 3: I'm really excited about that. Yeah, so she called we 474 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,640 Speaker 3: just reconnected. I wrote a song literally as we hung 475 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 3: up the phone. What's called When it comes to you guys, 476 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 3: go listen to it and stream it on Spotify and 477 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 3: Apple Music and iHeartRadio and everything whatever you listen. 478 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 2: To, wherever you get it, wherever you listen to it. 479 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 3: He legally downloaded on limeire alright, dating ourselves, Yeah a 480 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 3: little bit or whatever. It's on my top five of MySpace. No, anyways, 481 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 3: we reconnected. It took us a bit. Obviously we hadn't 482 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 3: chatted for three years. I have you know, just had 483 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 3: my head down, lost the weight doing this thing. I 484 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 3: was just like I'm going to chase the stream and 485 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 3: was doing a pretty good job. Like I said, it 486 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,199 Speaker 3: was twenty nineteen, like agents were kind of talking to us, 487 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 3: we were about to do another UK tour, all of 488 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 3: this fun stuff. So it took us about a year 489 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 3: to finally be like who are we now? What is 490 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 3: this going on? Like there's a kid involved, I don't 491 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 3: know what's going on, Like there's a lot. So it 492 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 3: took us about he and then we finally figured it 493 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 3: out and then I flew over there. I surprised her 494 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 3: the first time. I just showed up on a front doorstep, 495 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 3: which could have gone one of two ways. It went 496 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 3: the good way. 497 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 2: Good. 498 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, happy to hear that. 499 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you got the ring on, so. 500 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, the rings on? She well that was that was 501 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 3: one of the two. So the first time I went over, 502 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 3: I was like, hey, I'm still super like into this, 503 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 3: like if you are, and we you know, chatted and 504 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 3: then like once went by and we were like okay, 505 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 3: I'm still kind of scared, like what is this? I 506 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 3: don't know? And then finally I got my you know, 507 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 3: I stopped being stupid and I was like, I'm in 508 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 3: love with this girl, like I don't care what it's 509 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 3: going to take to be with her. But I thought 510 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 3: I was losing her. She was kind of on the 511 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 3: like hey, I've heard this kind of stuff before kind 512 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 3: of stuff. So I got on another plane literally the 513 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 3: next my drummer we were heading back from a show. 514 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 3: He uh Daniel. I was like, hey, man, let me 515 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 3: get back. We took me to the airport. I gotta 516 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 3: go over there, like I've got to like show her. 517 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 3: I bought a one way ticket. I was with a bag. 518 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 3: I was like, showed him on a front doorstep. I 519 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 3: was like, hey, I'm here to be with you, like 520 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 3: it is your move. You tell me what you want 521 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 3: me to do, but I'm here to tell you that 522 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 3: I'm in love with you and I want to be 523 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 3: with the rest of my life. And she told me 524 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 3: to go home. 525 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, shut us. So yeah, I I was not anticipating. 526 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. So that the first time was great, this time wasn't. 527 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 3: So I was like, can I get a ride back 528 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 3: to the train station please? So got a ride got 529 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 3: uh yeah. On the train ride from Norwich back to London, 530 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 3: I wrote another song, one percent go stream it. I 531 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 3: wrote it on the train and I just knew like 532 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 3: we were going to end up together. I knew, like 533 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 3: I was devastated. My dad called me and he was like, 534 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 3: I had a feeling that that's the way that was 535 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 3: going to go. But I just wanted you to have 536 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 3: your own journey there. And I was like, thanks, Pops, 537 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 3: which I wouldn't have listened to me if you told 538 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 3: me not to go out. Se what over gone? 539 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 2: It's good. 540 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 3: So I wrote that song and then I just I 541 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 3: messaged her and I just said, hey, like I don't 542 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 3: know when or what, but I know that we end 543 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 3: up together. And I was like there's stuff obviously, you know, 544 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 3: biological dad stuff was going, you know, all this stuff, 545 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,719 Speaker 3: and I was just like, I will be here whenever 546 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 3: you or are ready to be with me. Yeah, And 547 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 3: about like a month later, she was like I miss you, 548 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 3: and I was like, let's do this. I went over there, 549 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 3: I visited, I landed in England and COVID they shut 550 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 3: down everything. If I had gone one more day later, 551 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 3: I wouldn't have been able to get into the country, 552 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 3: got over there, got like a two week trip turned 553 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 3: into a two and a half month trip. But we 554 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 3: got engaged then, and so there was no better way 555 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,479 Speaker 3: to spend the engage. I had planned everything. I had 556 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 3: talked to this bookstore, I had a photographer, had all 557 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,239 Speaker 3: of this stuff planned, and then COVID happened and I 558 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 3: was like, do you want to go for a walk 559 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 3: in the woods and like some pretty woods outside and 560 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 3: I was like, my photographer was He was like, where 561 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 3: are you guys. I'm like by this tree with a 562 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 3: I don't know. It was like my old birds nests 563 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 3: in it were somewhere over here, and it was it 564 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 3: was very cute and how it all like the engagement 565 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 3: thing happened. And I told her after I was like, 566 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 3: I had this all planned and all this stuff. She 567 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 3: was like when the photographer jumped out of the bushes, 568 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,679 Speaker 3: I knew was about to happen because it was just 569 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 3: us and all of a sudden, some random guy with 570 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 3: the camera was. 571 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 2: Like, right, it's either a really creepy guy or you hire. 572 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 3: And so I was like, going there this big speech 573 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 3: or whatever, and she was like, yep. As soon as 574 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 3: that guy jumped out of the bushes. I was like, ah, 575 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 3: he's going to propose. So anyways, we got married and 576 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 3: or we got engaged. There's some you know, crazy stuff 577 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,679 Speaker 3: with like you know, obviously green cards and all this 578 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 3: kind of fun stuff. But she's here and he's here 579 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 3: and we're just the happiest little couple in the world. 580 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 2: That's awesome, man. I congratulate. Yeah, Thanky, love story. Thanks, 581 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 2: we got fitting this love music whenever. 582 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 3: You want whatever you guys, make sure you're eating those 583 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 3: grapefruits today. Check out your latest rom com Regal. 584 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 2: You had a couple of singles drop already this year. 585 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 2: Hate Me More yep I dropped in January and then 586 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 2: March was twice and tell me about that song? Is 587 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 2: hate Me More? First? Had that song come about? 588 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,439 Speaker 3: And uh, that one was kind of inspired by something 589 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 3: my wife said kimberly, but she jokingly like we talked, 590 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 3: I actually reconnecting. We hadn't talked for three years, she said. 591 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 3: She's like yeah, She's like I would come up with 592 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 3: things that were complete lies, Like I knew they weren't 593 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 3: actually true about you, but like I had to like 594 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 3: try to push you away, so I would come up 595 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 3: with stuff in my head. Like she said, mixer sound 596 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 3: like a psychotic crazy woman, but she's not. She's perfect. 597 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 3: But yeah, I was. I get that, like you come up, 598 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 3: you kind of exaggerate something to just be like yeah, whatever, 599 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 3: blah blah blah. And that kind of came up with 600 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 3: that vibe of like I tell everyone I hate you, 601 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 3: but I hate me more because I actually am, you know, 602 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 3: I still in love with you. And that's what happened. 603 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 3: I mean, that's where it came from. I knew that's 604 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:35,959 Speaker 3: when we went to the right. I wanted to write that, 605 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 3: and I'd listened to a few like reference tracks of 606 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 3: what I wanted, and I wanted this kind of upbeat, 607 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 3: aggressive like it sounds like a banger, you know, this 608 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 3: crazy rock upbeat song, but the those do the words. 609 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, this is like really vulnerable 610 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 3: and sad. But it was that was kind of on 611 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 3: purpose because it's like I tell everyone I hate you, 612 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 3: but the truth is I am actually really really sad, 613 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 3: and I don't know why I try to tell myself 614 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 3: that I'm not in love with you, because I totally so. 615 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 3: If you hear the song, please come back to me. 616 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 3: But I'm going to sing about it. Yeah, So that 617 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 3: was that one, and then twice. I actually didn't write 618 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,439 Speaker 3: it was an outside cut, but when I heard it, 619 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 3: Kimberly was actually with me. And as you now have 620 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 3: heard the story of us like being able to love you, 621 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 3: the hook on that song is if we loved each 622 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 3: other once, could we love each other twice? And as 623 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 3: soon as I heard it, Kimberly was with me, and 624 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 3: I let her listen to it and she was like, 625 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 3: oh my god, like this I relate, we relate, this 626 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 3: is our story, Like, yeah, we obviously loved each other 627 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 3: and then reconnected and we did in fact love each 628 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 3: other twice. So once that kind of that that brought 629 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 3: itself into the pile of the songs, I was like, 630 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 3: this is the one I want to cut, like for sure, 631 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 3: And I asked my distributors. I was like, I like 632 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 3: a couple other songs. I'm like, Nope, that's the one 633 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 3: you should definitely. We really love that for you. 634 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 2: So do you find it a huge difference in songs 635 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 2: that you write compared to songs that maybe you didn't 636 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 2: write yourself, but you relate to, like the way that 637 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 2: you sing them or the way that you feel them. 638 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 2: Is it two separate emotions or is it similar? If 639 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 2: that makes sense. 640 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 3: I don't know if I've had enough experience with outside 641 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:12,199 Speaker 3: songs enough to say that. I will say that the 642 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,640 Speaker 3: publisher sent me about twenty songs to listen to, and 643 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 3: I skipped anything with like beer in the title or 644 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 3: liquor in the title, or if anyone was randy out 645 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 3: truck or randomly driving by any body of water. Listening 646 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 3: to Tom Petty, I was just like, I'm gonna skip this. 647 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 3: And I listen to them all and I was just like, 648 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,239 Speaker 3: he's like. I was like, I like these two. You 649 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:32,880 Speaker 3: listen to those fast. I was like, yeah, I skipped 650 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 3: eighty eight percent of them because I heard beer or 651 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 3: whiskey or something. I was like, I get it, Like 652 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 3: I like country music, I was like, but I feel 653 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 3: like there's plenty of other things to sing about, so 654 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 3: I don't. I think. Long Way Home is another song 655 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 3: of mine that was an outside cut and I heard 656 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 3: it and that was more vocally. I just loved the 657 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 3: melody of that song. And when I demoed it for 658 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 3: the producer and I was like, if you guys don't 659 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 3: like if someone doesn't cut this and a couple of 660 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 3: months like can I have it? Yeah? And he called 661 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 3: me up and I was like, hey, do if you 662 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 3: want to, it's yours. Uh So, I don't know. I 663 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 3: don't think I've never I haven't had enough experience in 664 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 3: like trying to relate to a Sartin song. But when 665 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 3: I heard Twice, I was like, been there, done that. 666 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 3: Loved the song. It was actually a female vocalist on it, 667 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 3: so I think it was meant for, oh, like a 668 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 3: female's perspective. But I was like, well, I'm just going 669 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 3: to drop it down about six whole steps and I'll 670 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 3: sing it. 671 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 2: Like is that something that you try to stay true 672 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 2: to yourself? Then if it's especially a song that you 673 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 2: know somebody else wrote, you're you're not just gonna cut 674 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 2: a song because somebody tells you, Hey, you should cut 675 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 2: the song, like you have to kind of feel it. 676 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 3: Oh no, yeah, right, I've got a I will. I 677 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 3: mean that's the kind of the great thing of being 678 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 3: unsigned and independent. Yeah, is I do get to call 679 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 3: my shots. I mean I talked about distributors about it, 680 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 3: but it wasn't like, hey, you guys tell me what 681 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 3: to release. I was like, I want to release this 682 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 3: or this, No, no matter what these two songs are 683 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 3: coming out, which one do you think would be better? 684 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 3: You know for the next song. And so that's a 685 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 3: good feeling to have. But yeah, that emotion in that 686 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 3: song if it feels good to definitely be at that 687 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 3: level to be able to choose your songs and yeah, 688 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 3: not have someone be like, ah, this is more radio 689 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 3: friendly And I'm like, what does that even mean? Like 690 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 3: like I'm all right, I'm okay, Like I wanna it's 691 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 3: whatever I'm doing is not to sound like a vain 692 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 3: pos but like whatever I'm doing is working. So I'm 693 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 3: just gonna keep authenticity always wins. I guess I will 694 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 3: follow up that with that is uh, authenticity always wins. 695 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 3: And I found that last year after all the meetings 696 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 3: that I had, I had, you know, a lot all 697 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 3: at once, and I was like, oh my god, this 698 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 3: is like this is it? Like yeah, labels, but whatever, 699 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 3: I think again, any labels listening to this, I do 700 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 3: think they are resourceful when the time is right. But 701 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 3: I feel like what you can do on your own 702 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 3: is incredible, and there is a very big lane that 703 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 3: is open for independent artists to go and do something, 704 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 3: not to copy and paste like what they're seeing other 705 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 3: people do. And I think that hit me hard last 706 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 3: year when we had the meetings, I was having those 707 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 3: people say is this pop? Is this? I mean, I 708 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 3: think it's my biggest regret is ever second guessing. Like 709 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 3: we went back and we're like, well, maybe we should 710 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 3: like maybe we should put like a dough bro in 711 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 3: this year or something, and it's like I loved that. 712 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 3: I mean, I grew up in North Carolina. I played 713 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 3: the fiddle, I played the mandolin, Like I understand they 714 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 3: grew up playing bluegrass music and all this country stuff. 715 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 3: And I was like it wasn't necessarily a big deal 716 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 3: for me, and but I second guessed it a lot, 717 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 3: and I kind of got super depressed because I was like, 718 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 3: I don't really know what to do, and I got 719 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 3: second guessing who I was and what my new music 720 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 3: was sounding like. And I think a perfect stamp of 721 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 3: whatever this this EP that's coming out in May, I 722 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 3: said to hell with all of that with this, because 723 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 3: last year, I mean, I thought was probably the most depressed. 724 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 3: It was the first time I ever was like, what 725 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 3: would I do if I didn't do this? Because I, yeah, 726 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 3: I just like this sucks like I'm not country enough, 727 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 3: I'm too poppy. I'm hearing pop on the country radio 728 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 3: and I'm hearing country on pop radio, and it's like 729 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 3: I'm trying to do something here. And then we released 730 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 3: the album last year and it started to do its thing. 731 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 3: When I was on the Bobby Show, when Bobby had 732 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 3: me on in May, I was at like twenty four 733 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 3: thousand monthly listeners and we are as of today, thirteen 734 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 3: thousand away from one million. 735 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 2: Wow. 736 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, and as an independent artist, that feels pretty sexy, 737 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 3: Like it feels really good and yeah, so we hearing 738 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 3: all of that last year, I was like, I'm never 739 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 3: wanting to second guess what i want to do in 740 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 3: my own music ever. Again, Like doesn't matter who it is. 741 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 3: And like once the right person hears it and they 742 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 3: want to help, they'll come along and they We're not 743 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 3: going to go. I don't know, you might need to 744 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 3: sing about Jack Daniels or something whiskey you can like 745 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 3: to I don't know if we can say that on air. 746 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 3: I don't know what you can say and what you 747 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 3: can't say on air, but and be like, actually, Jack 748 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 3: Daniels sponsors us, so you know, like whoops, you gotta 749 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 3: say the Actually anyways, guys, I got a new song 750 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 3: coming out called jack d But yeah, the point is 751 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 3: is release the music you want to and the people 752 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 3: who listen to it, if it's good, it'll reciprocate. 753 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 2: What else you got in the works. As we close 754 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 2: us out here, coming up this year, you said you 755 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 2: have a EP. You're going back to London the UK 756 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 2: coming Home? Is that correct? 757 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, the UK is Coming Home Tour, which is yeah, 758 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 3: kind of for my my wife and little man. Obviously 759 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 3: they haven't been able to go back to the country 760 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 3: since then, so I was like, what a cute little 761 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 3: way to call the UK tours coming home tour for them. 762 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 3: The EP's May fifth, it's called ninety four Cord and 763 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 3: we've got a few more things lined up after that 764 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 3: as far as just like songs go and content and 765 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 3: stuff like that, but again just playing those playing the 766 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 3: ticketed shows. We're we're working hopefully get out to the 767 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 3: West Coast soon. We're talking to Vegas and awesome, trying 768 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 3: to do a little West Coast thing out in August. 769 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 2: So awesome. Well, best of luck, man, I appreciate you 770 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 2: coming on here with them. They find you on social media. 771 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 3: Canaan Cox, not Kanon, not Cannon c A n aa 772 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 3: n Cox. Yeah, Instagram, TikTok just pretty much anywhere. It's 773 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 3: always it's just there's no like the Cannon Cox or 774 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 3: Canaan Underscore got. 775 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 2: Just not Canan Cox music. 776 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's I have a the you know, a 777 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 3: pretty unusual name. So that's always the good part is like, ah, 778 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 3: I don't have to worry about my handle being taken. 779 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 2: Yeah that is true. That's true. I to deal with 780 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,320 Speaker 2: that and change mind to the kickoff Kevin, Like I 781 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 2: don't really love it, but it is. 782 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll finish this little story. There is because football player. 783 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 3: It's not like in the NFL. But his name is 784 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 3: Canan Cox and I've we've known each other because of 785 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 3: the name, like never met or anything. And I wasn't 786 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:34,919 Speaker 3: big on TikTok when it first came out. I didn't 787 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,839 Speaker 3: get until like twenty twenty, but he had already had it, 788 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 3: and I was like, oh my god, the first thing 789 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,439 Speaker 3: that I'm gonna have to be like the Cannon Cox 790 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 3: or Cannon Cox Official or something. And then I was 791 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 3: talking to my guitar player on the road and he 792 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,439 Speaker 3: was kind of like giving me crap about it. He's like, oh, 793 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,399 Speaker 3: you're not really the can and Cox then if you're 794 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 3: not on there, And we were joking around and we 795 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:54,879 Speaker 3: went and looked, and I don't know if he got 796 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 3: kicked off or if he deleted or something, but we 797 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 3: wouldn't search and he wasn't there, and I was like, 798 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 3: oh my god. I was like, pull over and like 799 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 3: grab the phone, went and said change handle and I 800 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,280 Speaker 3: was like at Canan Cox and it was like approved 801 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,399 Speaker 3: and I was like, yeah, I got it, like it's 802 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 3: officially canon Cox. 803 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 2: Who knows how long that would have lasted or how 804 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 2: long it was even out there. 805 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 3: I had, Yeah, have my guitar player not been giving 806 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 3: me crap for it, I probably wouldn't have been like, 807 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 3: let's see what this guy's doing on TikTok and I 808 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 3: was like, he's not here anymore, Like grab it. 809 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 2: So anyways, we'll go follow him at Canaan Cox c 810 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 2: A N A A N c o X go check 811 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 2: him out, follow him streamings music, look at all up boredom. 812 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 2: I appreciate it, Canaan, this has been a lot of fun, man, 813 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 2: and look forward to, uh what the future holds for you. 814 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 2: Thanks Boss, we'll talk so all right, sounds good.