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Speaker 1: In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different

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Speaker 1: look at things. Dr Doherty and John Harris have their

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Speaker 1: lab coats and goggles on and the Bunsen burners burning.

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Speaker 1: Here's Drew.

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Speaker 2: All right, It's Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: The Texans are hitting the practice field today later in

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Speaker 3: the morning at the Houston Methodist Training Center, and this

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Speaker 3: is in the Lab.

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Speaker 2: Going to be a shorter one this week since.

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Speaker 3: There was no player interviews last week. They were taking

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Speaker 3: it easy. I was taking it easy too, and there

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Speaker 3: was no other stuff going on. So this is just

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Speaker 3: me and John and we did the typical stuff. We

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Speaker 3: looked back in a weird way at some stuff that

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Speaker 3: hasn't gone the way of the Texans.

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Speaker 2: And they still are three and three.

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Speaker 3: It's what if I told you, And we're going to

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Speaker 3: do that after every win and every loss, because there

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Speaker 3: are so many sides to this coin that you will

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Speaker 3: see down the line. And then we also have an

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Speaker 3: under the Radar Texan to watch. I want to hear

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Speaker 3: who your under the radar Texan is to watch, not

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Speaker 3: just for this game against Carolina, but for the final

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Speaker 3: eleven contests of twenty twenty three. So hit John and

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Speaker 3: I up on Twitter. At Doherty Drew at Jay Harris

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Speaker 3: Football on Twitter. Tweet at us, tell us what you

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Speaker 3: think of the podcast, chime in. We love to hear

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Speaker 3: from you and in general, Please do me a favor,

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Speaker 3: gentle listener.

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Speaker 2: Couldn't do this without you.

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Speaker 3: Can you go and rate, review and subscribe to this

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Speaker 3: podcast and then hit us up again on Twitter. Let

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Speaker 3: us know what you like, what you want to hear

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Speaker 3: from in the future, and we'll get going from there

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Speaker 3: till then. Enjoy John and I here on in the lab.

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Speaker 3: That's right me, Drew, John, good.

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Speaker 2: To see you. Here's what we're gonna do on the

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Speaker 2: podcast today.

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Speaker 3: We are gonna play the game Whitey.

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Speaker 2: WHOA what are you talking about?

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Speaker 4: Drew?

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Speaker 1: What is that?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 3: Whitey stands it's wi y, which stands for what if

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Speaker 3: I told you?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, we're gonna play Whitey.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I saw it.

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Speaker 3: We're witty, but it's like there's two eyes. You need

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Speaker 3: two eyes two t's instead of two eyes for witty.

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Speaker 3: But nonetheless, what if I told you? And then we're

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Speaker 3: also gonna have an under the radar Texan to watch

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Speaker 3: against the Panthers. And then we're gonna spin the wheel

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Speaker 3: and we might have something fun. We might not, but

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Speaker 3: we're definitely playing whitey and under the radar, and so

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Speaker 3: let's start there, John, what if I told you before

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Speaker 3: this season started the following things. What if I told

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Speaker 3: you the Texans would lose their first two games, both

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Speaker 3: by double digits and by a combined score of fifty

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Speaker 3: six to twenty nine. What if I also told you

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Speaker 3: that when they play the Jaguars, they're gonna give up

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Speaker 3: four hundred and four yards of total offense. What if

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Speaker 3: I told you that Damian Pierce through six games is

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Speaker 3: going to average two point nine yards per carry in

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Speaker 3: the offense as a whole, it was only an average three.

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Speaker 2: Point two yard to carry.

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Speaker 3: And John, to cap things off, what if I told

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Speaker 3: you that in six games, this new fangled defense would

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Speaker 3: have just nine sacks? How confident would you be about

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Speaker 4: H What? Jeez? Yeah? I mean I think you know

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Speaker 4: the sack one. I I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I don't lose a lot of sleepover not getting sacks

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Speaker 4: I just don't.

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Speaker 5: I'd like to know the pressure rate, and I think

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Speaker 5: a pressure rate has been pretty good. The lack of

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Speaker 5: would have I would have thought, oh boy, this is

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 5: I also would have noticed that all those things you

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Speaker 5: I would wonder at that point, Okay, what has CJ

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Speaker 5: we all know that CJ is definitely progressing and progressing

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Speaker 5: in a positive manner. And by the way, Drew, I

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Speaker 4: He was phenomenally good. I mean, he was really really good.

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Speaker 3: I was just like, Wow, this guy unsurprising, unsurprising exactly.

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Speaker 5: I think the only thing that was surprising was how

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Speaker 5: I mean, they were just so glad to see him.

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Speaker 5: I think that's that says something. But I think if

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Speaker 5: you would give me those particular what if I had

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Speaker 5: we doing on third downs? What are we doing in

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Speaker 5: stressed the turnover margin because that's something I know that

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Speaker 1: I just.

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Speaker 2: Putting the glasses up on my nose.

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Speaker 5: Gesture, I like I always do Coach Perez back in

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Speaker 5: the market, Sallie at high school.

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Speaker 1: Listen, listen.

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Speaker 5: The that I would have asked, I would have asked, Okay,

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Speaker 5: what's the turnover margins? Plus six after this weekend? It's

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Speaker 5: plus six and that's what's second in the league.

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Speaker 3: Tied for second with about three or four other teams,

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Speaker 3: the Jaguars and Steelers among them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Cowboys.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, here's the thing that stands out, Drew. I went

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Speaker 5: for Texans matchup for Tuesday evening. I went, I did

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Speaker 5: the ultimate eleven plays on offense in the first six games,

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Speaker 5: the UL three eleven plays on the defensive first six games.

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Speaker 5: And what struck me was how many different defensive players

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Speaker 5: not really gonna make a highlight out of five offensive

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Speaker 4: Throw that he made. A throw that he made, not

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Speaker 4: a run that he made. Yeah, But what it.

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Speaker 5: Has struck me is you can go through each player

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Speaker 5: Oh man, he really showed himself in that game against

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Speaker 5: eleven with that graylnd Arnold, same thing fumble against Atlanta.

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Speaker 4: You just name a guy you.

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Speaker 5: Know, Jimmy Ward, My god, how many I mean, what

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Speaker 5: does he meant to this team? Jalen Peatrie all over

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Speaker 5: the place after being hurt in Week one, coming back

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Speaker 5: in Week four against the Steelers, mixing up with George Pickens,

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Speaker 4: You just can rip through and go that guy's made

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Speaker 5: Did we think Blake Cashman was going to have this

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Speaker 5: it's just been phenomenal in some way, shape or form

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Speaker 5: big plays, and I think big players have shown up. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: it's not the sacks, but Will Anderson Junior John Grenard

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Speaker 4: The sacks will come. The sacks will come.

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Speaker 5: The better pressure they provide, I'm sorry, the better they

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Speaker 4: That will lead to more sacks.

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Speaker 5: So you went on first and second down, you earn

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Speaker 5: the right to rush on third down. And that's what

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Speaker 5: this team has got to continue to do going forward.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, one of the things I listed

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Speaker 3: some positives that have counterbalanced that.

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Speaker 2: And we talked about CJ. We've talked about him a lot.

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Speaker 3: Another thing we've seen quite a bit of is While

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Speaker 3: explosion in the passing game. Goodness gracious. Touchdown wise, so

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Speaker 3: far this season, you've got scoring strikes of what eighty

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Speaker 3: five yards from the Beck you know, kickoff return that's

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Speaker 3: got the touchdown to Dell at Jacksonville. That was a bomb,

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Speaker 3: That was a dagger. That one went for what sixty

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Speaker 2: A twenty three yarder from Dell.

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Speaker 3: But you've had a lot more and you look at

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Speaker 3: the yards per reception Nico Collins, look at what he's

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's going for ninety one a game.

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Speaker 2: Which is pretty remarkable.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just having a big, big season and he's

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Speaker 3: going for eighteen point nine yards of catch. Tank is

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Speaker 3: you're getting production out of those guys, and it's been

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Speaker 3: just a boon. I mean, you think about Will Fuller,

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Speaker 3: you've got two guys who are I don't know how

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Speaker 3: that's a problem for opposing defenses. That's a big, big problem.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, take Dell's shot in the arm.

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Speaker 5: Basically that he has given this offense is I don't

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Speaker 5: think you can make too much of it because and

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Speaker 4: You know when he went out in Atlanta game.

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Speaker 5: Now, obviously they made adjustments in the Saints game because

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Speaker 5: they had some time to prepare, but I think Tank

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Speaker 5: going out of that. There are two or two things

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Speaker 5: that happened I thought in that Atlanta game. Number one

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Speaker 5: the second half pass defense. I think Demico even talked

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Speaker 5: think he would have liked to have been more aggressive.

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Speaker 5: They sat back too much and gave Rider too much

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Speaker 5: time to throw. That was one thing, But I think

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Speaker 5: the other one was Tank. Dell was out and so

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Speaker 5: Tank backs everybody up I mean, it's just natural and

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Speaker 5: Oh boy, Tank's gonna roll that dude. I'm gonna go

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Speaker 5: to him as my second reader, third read. He gets

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Speaker 3: You bet time now for under the Radar Texan to watch,

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Speaker 4: Well, that's a good one.

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Speaker 4: He's had spots where you go, hey, d Horton. Okay.

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Speaker 3: Well, if that happens, I mean this is already a

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Speaker 3: of the way. I mean, this is just a Grand Slam.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh yep, yep.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely And who doesn't like a Grand Slam?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well so I too, d fresh and free type

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Speaker 3: Well, I was up in your old neck of the Woods,

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Speaker 2: I went to Maine.

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Speaker 3: Now I say, your neck of the Woods still kind

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Speaker 2: You went to college and Rhode Island.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was fun, man, I had a good time.

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Speaker 3: If you ever go to Maine in the fall, I

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Speaker 4: So yeah, you say, the foliage is gorgeous. Man so nice,

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Speaker 3: You naively asked me on Monday at lunch, said hey,

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Speaker 2: Every other meal we had a soup of some sort.

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Speaker 3: It was really good.

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Speaker 4: I think I had fish and chips four times.

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Speaker 4: Do what you do, what you have to do.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, you gotta have the local flavor for for sure.

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Speaker 4: And when you're up there, the chatout of the lobsteroles.

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Speaker 2: You're set.

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Speaker 3: Huh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I'm set. I mean every day of

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Speaker 5: I remember when I was in college, it was two

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Speaker 4: I was like, that's pretty good, dude, I gotta learn

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Speaker 2: But it's not now.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it was good.

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Speaker 5: Now I'm hungry, true, dang it, sorry, dang it.

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Speaker 3: All right, what's always fun talking with you, my man,

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Speaker 3: And we will do this again next week in the

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 3: All the chowder I could consume this last week. It

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