WEBVTT - Foundation Season 3 Episode 7

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<v Speaker 1>Warning today's episode Today in spoilers for Foundation episode seven

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<v Speaker 1>of season three. Hello, my name is Jason Getupsion and

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<v Speaker 1>my name's a Boot and welcome back to x ray Vision,

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<v Speaker 2>Saturday, News on Saturday.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't forget Today, Jason, we are continuing our journey

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<v Speaker 3>into Foundation season three and talking all about episode seven.

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<v Speaker 2>We're nearing the end.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, and it's getting very hot. Let's immediately jump

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<v Speaker 1>into it. Foundation episode seven of season three, Foundations ended.

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<v Speaker 1>It really looks like it. We open years ago on

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<v Speaker 1>the planet Rassam aka Big Spinach a Mother, where we

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<v Speaker 1>meet a young mother with her newborn baby and her

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<v Speaker 1>young son and they are walking this path between the

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<v Speaker 1>spinach of Big Spinach, and we learned that they live

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<v Speaker 1>on this kind of industrial agricultural planet where huge wheel

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<v Speaker 1>shaped tractors pull up the crops and we watch that

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<v Speaker 1>process happening. There's also a group called Assessors that will

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<v Speaker 1>land and occasionally make sure that take inventory of everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently that these workers have and make sure that they

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<v Speaker 1>don't have anything they shouldn't and they sense that this

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<v Speaker 1>is about to occur, so they run back to their

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<v Speaker 1>homestead and one of the assessor ship's lands, and the

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<v Speaker 1>mother along with her husband, puts this newborn baby into

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<v Speaker 1>a hiding place, and the assessors arrive and they ask

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of questions, and we learn immediately that these

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<v Speaker 1>assessors work for foundations. So uhh, the good guys that

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<v Speaker 1>you thought were good are kind of bad. Although I

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<v Speaker 1>should say that we kind of knew, and Harry always

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<v Speaker 1>kind of knew that Foundation one was going to go

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<v Speaker 1>astray in certain ways. And so we're seeing that now

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<v Speaker 1>the Foundation one rules this planet, and we should assume

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<v Speaker 1>other such planets with a authoritarian grip. There is a

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<v Speaker 1>one child policy. The assessors discover the second child, the

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<v Speaker 1>newborn child, and so they tell this family, okay, well

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<v Speaker 1>you live under a one child policy rule and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>be back in thirty days and you'll have one child.

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<v Speaker 1>See you later. Very alarming, very troubling.

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<v Speaker 2>Very troubling, very Nazi codd.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we go to the present. Is causing Foundation to

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<v Speaker 1>tear itself apart, just as we saw at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the previous episode, the space defenses are shooting at

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<v Speaker 1>it themselves. On the ground, soldiers are shooting at civilians. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>pritches down in a cell trying to warn Seth that

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<v Speaker 1>this is all the Mule. The Mule is doing is

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<v Speaker 1>let me out so I can deal with the Mule.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all in all a very bad day for Foundation.

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<v Speaker 1>And meanwhile Torren is trying to get Bita to safety

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<v Speaker 1>and she's basically knocked unconscious. We go to Trantor. Various

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<v Speaker 1>alarmed ministers are appealing to Dusk, who is currently the

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<v Speaker 1>only cleon available. They're telling him it's bad. The Empire

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<v Speaker 1>has lost much of its fleet around Kalgan. The Foundation

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<v Speaker 1>is about to fall, which means the Mule will then

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<v Speaker 1>have ships with which to attack the rest of Empire,

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<v Speaker 1>including the Imperial planet. We've got to do something. Dusk

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<v Speaker 1>then has a vision of a camel moving.

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<v Speaker 2>Through the back of the well.

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<v Speaker 1>Not the real camel, I mean, let's talk about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Because he sees this, he then snaps too and orders

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<v Speaker 1>He says, okay, send pro determined new terminus. Let's find

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<v Speaker 1>out what's happening there. All the armies in the galaxy

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<v Speaker 1>have them recalled to Trantor to defend the empire and

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<v Speaker 1>do something about these camels that are loose in the hall,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he'll just leaves. Yeah, what is this real

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<v Speaker 1>camel vision? What?

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<v Speaker 2>I think?

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<v Speaker 3>The camel not real, but the ferret later or at

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<v Speaker 3>least clearly real, because the ambassador also sees the ferret.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think, I mean, I think clearly we're supposed

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<v Speaker 3>to assume that with only three days left until his ascension,

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<v Speaker 3>Dusk is like deteriorating mentally, you know. And I think,

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<v Speaker 3>like he keeps repeating, like I have, I'm on a timeline,

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<v Speaker 3>the clock is ticking, and I think that might literally

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<v Speaker 3>be like a physical taking time bomb, and like maybe

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<v Speaker 3>dusks are just never meant to actually live longer than this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I thought that this was a I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>a vision one and I think it's gotta be an

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<v Speaker 1>allusion to the biblical metaphor about a camel moving through

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<v Speaker 1>the like it's easier for a camel to go through

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<v Speaker 1>the eye of a needle than it is for a

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<v Speaker 1>rich man to enter heaven. And I think that's as

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<v Speaker 1>he enters the literally the last three days of his life.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Dusk is thinking, what happens to me after?

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<v Speaker 1>And have I lived a good life? I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening, but we will see. Maybe it's a real camel.

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<v Speaker 1>Dusk then goes to see the ambassador from Foundation and

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<v Speaker 1>she's a mess, of course, because she's watching like a

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<v Speaker 1>nine to eleven planetary level event happened too to her society,

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<v Speaker 1>and she just doesn't know what to do. Dusk comes

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<v Speaker 1>in with a million questions, Hey, do you know any

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<v Speaker 1>trantor is it falling yet? Or what's going on? She's like,

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<v Speaker 1>is that the only.

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<v Speaker 2>Reason you came to talk to me?

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<v Speaker 1>I care?

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<v Speaker 2>What?

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<v Speaker 1>Why?

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<v Speaker 2>How are you? I'm sorry?

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<v Speaker 1>How are you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you also? Baby?

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<v Speaker 1>No? Sorry? Anyway, we go to New Trantor the Mule lands.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got all his acolytes with him, Scarlett is with him,

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<v Speaker 1>and Mayor Inbird goes to bend the knee foundation completely surrendering.

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<v Speaker 1>Anybody who doesn't want to surrender is immediately dealt with,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Mule is like, listen, you're gonna love serving me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be great. You're gonna love it. And Mayor

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<v Speaker 1>Inberg you're gonna have to learn to love blood because

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<v Speaker 1>There's gonna be a lot of it. There's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of war, there be a lot of death.

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<v Speaker 1>Scarlet then paints his cheeks, Mayor Inber's cheeks with blood,

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<v Speaker 1>so he gets the picture, and we discover that it appears,

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<v Speaker 1>whether by his own volition or due to the influence

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<v Speaker 1>of the Mule, Inbur apparently sold out foundation and told

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<v Speaker 1>the mule to come here or lower the defenses or something.

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<v Speaker 1>And then as as I guess a price for their

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<v Speaker 1>somewhat of their freedom or to not die, he offers

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<v Speaker 1>a pritch, who the Mule clearly wants so he can

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<v Speaker 1>locate Gail Dornick. This is shocking. Do you think do

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<v Speaker 1>you think Mayor Inbert did this just on his own

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<v Speaker 1>I think he did.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he can. I think did.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he's enough of a coward to sell out

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<v Speaker 3>the planet for his own supposed safety. But I do

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<v Speaker 3>think this is such a fun storytelling device because every

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<v Speaker 3>time we cut back to Mule, you don't know whether

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<v Speaker 3>any of these characters are acting under under their own volitions.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct And obviously we say that see that play out

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<v Speaker 3>quite explicitly between Randu and Tourin later in the episode.

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<v Speaker 3>But I had a fun time in every scene on Foundation,

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<v Speaker 3>asking myself is this the mule or is this their

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<v Speaker 3>own choice?

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<v Speaker 1>Same we go to Micagen where things are getting very

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<v Speaker 1>very interesting. Now Day is apologizing to uh Song and

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<v Speaker 1>to gamer tag girlfriend about basically he's like, listen, it's

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<v Speaker 1>clearly like a misunderstand some of it. This was a

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<v Speaker 1>vast misunderstanding me coming here. But like, let me make

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<v Speaker 1>it up to you by telling you about the robot,

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<v Speaker 1>which I know you really care about because of this

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<v Speaker 1>religion you have. Look at this and he pulls out

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<v Speaker 1>like a crochet needle and he's like, this is one

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<v Speaker 1>of Demrzelle's tools. It comes from Earth. You can tell

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<v Speaker 1>by the markings. And is that like, come on, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a big deal. And they're like, you know what intriguing,

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<v Speaker 1>but we need to know more, right, how do we

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<v Speaker 1>figure out more? And Song and gamer tried girlfriend kind

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<v Speaker 1>of argue a little bit about well, you could put

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<v Speaker 1>the memory thing on and see if he said anything then,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's like, I really don't want to put the

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<v Speaker 1>memory thing on that will return the memories from the

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<v Speaker 1>Pleasure Palace to me, And yeah, you know, there's got

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<v Speaker 1>to be some other way that we can get him

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<v Speaker 1>to talk more and sun Master. Maybe we bring in

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<v Speaker 1>sun Master eighteen and we get his take on it.

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<v Speaker 1>This gang leader that we had heard some telling of

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<v Speaker 1>in a previous episode. And all in all, Song and

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<v Speaker 1>her partner are very excited about the potential that robots

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<v Speaker 1>might actually exist. They decide to use shrooms, which are

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<v Speaker 1>part of their religion. I guess makes sense that this

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<v Speaker 1>place is called micagen, which is, you know, the more

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<v Speaker 1>species correct plant name for well, they're not plants whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>the scientific name for fungi. And so they start getting

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<v Speaker 1>the mushroom mix.

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<v Speaker 2>Ready.

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<v Speaker 1>Back on Trantor, the Ambassador tells Dusk about the fall

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<v Speaker 1>of New Terminus and she's like a total mess. Like

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<v Speaker 1>they're having dinner like as if it's normal, and she's

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<v Speaker 1>like it's so crazy, like everybody's dying. But here I

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<v Speaker 1>am like eating this luxurious dinner like everything is normal,

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<v Speaker 1>and Dusk is like, don't worry. They don't worry about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll protect you, Like, don't worry. You stay with me.

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<v Speaker 1>Leave the Foundation Mission, the chancery, the Foundation Embassy. You

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<v Speaker 1>come live with me in the Palace. I will enfold

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<v Speaker 1>you in the Imperial protections and everything's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely fine. The Empire is on a strong footing. She's like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, where are day in Dawn Like, Joe, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Why are we bringing up my brothers?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he's like, listen, okay, flat out, Dave fled

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<v Speaker 1>the palace and Dawn well, yea too complicated to get

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<v Speaker 1>into that one, but maybe one day we'll get into

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<v Speaker 1>that one. The mood, yeah, let's not get into that.

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<v Speaker 1>All of which is to say, I'm holding things together here, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Day's ferret runs onto the table and he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>look at that, that's Day's ferret. He's kind of still around,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll look at that. Isn't that cute? Song? And gamer

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<v Speaker 1>tag girlfriend questioned Day As he's tripping, he's taken the

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<v Speaker 1>shroom mixture, which seems like it comes out of a

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<v Speaker 1>fancy espresso machine. He finds himself back in the palace.

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<v Speaker 1>He's greased up and shirtless because this is Foundation after all,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's running Wait til Jesus, god, guy, the chastic

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<v Speaker 1>process of this show amazing. So they're running through He's

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<v Speaker 1>running through the halls right seeing these visions. He sees

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<v Speaker 1>his brothers sitting on the triple throne. His seat is

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<v Speaker 1>empty than Demarselle. A massively size de Marcel approaches. She

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<v Speaker 1>gives him this kind of short lecture about like their

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<v Speaker 1>relationship that the Kleonic brothers have with Demarselle, and then

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<v Speaker 1>he wakes up on the floor, but still under the

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<v Speaker 1>influence of this stuff. Song is there. Day apparently, in

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<v Speaker 1>his unconsciousness, has been talking about Demarzelle. He's arguing now

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<v Speaker 1>with Demozelle, like about like, why do you hate me? Demrcel?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you hate me? And Song is trying to quite

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<v Speaker 1>you know, get more information about this Demarzel character, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like that's okay, So that's the robot. Can

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<v Speaker 1>you free you? Can free the robot? Can't you? And

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<v Speaker 1>like and days like can I free you? And Day

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<v Speaker 1>eventually tells Song, no, I can't. I can't order the

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<v Speaker 1>robot freed because she is programmed, like from before me Eden,

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<v Speaker 1>to serve Empire. And this infuriates Song and her partner,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, because it's like they have enslaved God. Apparently

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<v Speaker 1>the trip continues days back in the palace, he's talking

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<v Speaker 1>to Dusk now asking if Demarzelle, like is Demarzel heard,

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<v Speaker 1>is she sad about this? The way that she has

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<v Speaker 1>to serve empire? And then he sees an older Demarselle

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<v Speaker 1>like sitting in the mirror to do maintenance on herself.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he sees his the three brothers, the three

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<v Speaker 1>Kleonic phases of dawn, day, and dusk, all doing the

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<v Speaker 1>practicing being in sync thing at dinner right, and then

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<v Speaker 1>Dawn messes up and you get the pick, you get

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<v Speaker 1>the I got the impression at least that this Dawn

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<v Speaker 1>that we're seeing in the vision is him, Like, he

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<v Speaker 1>then progresses into the day that we are watching, Now,

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<v Speaker 1>did you feel that?

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<v Speaker 2>I felt exactly that too.

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<v Speaker 3>I get the sense that we're learning that this day has,

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<v Speaker 3>since his Dawn days been always a little out of

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<v Speaker 3>saying a little bit. And I've certainly been dealing with

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<v Speaker 3>like this complex that I'm not good enough.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never been good enough to be a cleon.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never been good enough. And also Demarzel hates this

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<v Speaker 1>and hates me, and how can I make it up

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<v Speaker 1>to her? So he then asks de Marzelle, like, are

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<v Speaker 1>we the worst? Are we the worst cleons? I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like we're the worst ever cleons. And he and he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>can you tell me a story, like any story? And

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<v Speaker 1>she's like, well, listen, I've had so many stories. I've

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<v Speaker 1>got so many like I've been alive for so long.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been a soldier, I've been a prisoner, I've been

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<v Speaker 1>all these different things. Currently I am a prisoner. And

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<v Speaker 1>can I order you to free yourself? He asks? And

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<v Speaker 1>she's like, no, you can't do that. But what would

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<v Speaker 1>you do if you were free? He asks her. She's like, why,

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<v Speaker 1>I would make more of me. I would make more robots.

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<v Speaker 1>And okay, if you could choose, would you choose to

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<v Speaker 1>love us the cleons? And she gives really no clear answer.

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<v Speaker 1>She's which he realizes is the answer like the answer

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<v Speaker 1>is no yes. And he realizes then, in that moment

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<v Speaker 1>and that hesitation of her to answer, and the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of ambiguousness of her answer in general, that she really

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<v Speaker 1>wants to be free at the core of her, like

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<v Speaker 1>any living thing wants to be free. And then the

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<v Speaker 1>trip kind of ends or tails off, and he has

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<v Speaker 1>clearly come to a decision and has clearly come to

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<v Speaker 1>a place where emotionally something has happened, like something big

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<v Speaker 1>has happened. This is an incredible sequence.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think also visually an incredible scene, yes, just

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<v Speaker 3>the way we're transitioning from scene to scene. This whole

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<v Speaker 3>episode actually had some really fun transitions all throughout, but

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<v Speaker 3>this true Trip sequence was a visual treat for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>I also loved that we ended on this like really

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<v Speaker 3>poignant freedom versus love, because I think same there are

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<v Speaker 3>different versions of that decision. You know, there are stories

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<v Speaker 3>about people choosing love over their freedom and prioritizing love.

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<v Speaker 3>Here we're seeing the opposite of that. Deverzel Again, I

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<v Speaker 3>think I said those a few episodes ago, but I

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<v Speaker 3>believe that she, in some weird robot way, truly loves

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<v Speaker 3>the Cleons, and we see her emotional outbursts. We saw

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<v Speaker 3>that last week. I believe with Gail when she's talking

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<v Speaker 3>about raising them, and so I do think she loves them.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think after what a thousand years of enslavement,

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<v Speaker 3>freedom is worth more to her than any amounts of love.

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<v Speaker 3>Love is not enough for her.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, and it makes me wonder should Harry have

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<v Speaker 1>just taken shrooms in my cons and then he wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have needed to do the whole psychohistory. You would have

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<v Speaker 1>just been like Oh, the robot wants to be free. Yep,

0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:09.600
<v Speaker 1>that is the hinge point upon which the entire galaxy moves,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I've figured that out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>I also there's a very small I don't know whether

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<v Speaker 3>this is an easter egg. I don't know whether this

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<v Speaker 3>is hinting at future seasons to come, because it doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>feel like a thing that will make sense this season.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'll say this in sort of a vague, non

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<v Speaker 3>spoilery way, but Demriseel mentions that she has been known

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<v Speaker 3>as Daniel, she uses this other name, which hints at

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<v Speaker 3>a very very important robot character within the Foundation and

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<v Speaker 3>asim Off universe.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're gonna get it.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that that's all that's really safe to say.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like robots are coming. We go back to Trantor,

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<v Speaker 1>where the Ambassador finally asks about ascension, like, okay, so

0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:14.600
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna protect me, that's great, but you are getting

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<v Speaker 1>vaporized in three days now, Like that's happening or is that?

0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:21.320
<v Speaker 1>Like she's like, clearly they can't do that now, like

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<v Speaker 1>everything's so crazy, and Dusk is like, listen, I will

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<v Speaker 1>take care of it and make sure that whatever happens

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<v Speaker 1>after me, like I've made my peace with this life. No,

0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:33.520
<v Speaker 1>he hasn't. He's flat out lying in this part where

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, I'm fine, I'm ready to close this chapter

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<v Speaker 1>of my life and I'll make sure you're taking care

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<v Speaker 1>of after the fact. And we know that that's not

0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:46.080
<v Speaker 1>the case. He's been freaking out. They then kiss. We

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<v Speaker 1>go back to New Terminus where Pritch bites through his

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<v Speaker 1>wrist in order to get the guards to come to

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<v Speaker 1>his cell. This is fucking crazy, crazy nuts Inber then

0:18:56.960 --> 0:18:59.040
<v Speaker 1>brings the mule to his cell to find Pritchard is

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<v Speaker 1>bled out and dead. Only no, it's the guard. Pridge

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<v Speaker 1>then like peeks in like ha ha and tries to

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<v Speaker 1>shoot the mule sneak style, like.

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<v Speaker 2>I better bridge to be clear, master spy by ass Are.

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<v Speaker 1>You kidding me? I love I loved it. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't have the safety off. The safety is on.

0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:28.479
<v Speaker 1>He can't shoot the god and now is running away

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<v Speaker 1>as the as the guards of New Terminus and the

0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:35.320
<v Speaker 1>mules people are shooting at him in the butt. Torn

0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:38.240
<v Speaker 1>gets Beta on the ship, I mean crazy stuff from Bridge.

0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:42.960
<v Speaker 1>Torn gets Beta on the ship. Randy breaks in. He

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<v Speaker 1>made it as well. They don't know where Magnifico is,

0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:52.440
<v Speaker 1>so the ship Ai is like, hey, while you were taught,

0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:56.760
<v Speaker 1>while nephew and and uncle are talking it out, bad

0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:59.760
<v Speaker 1>guys are coming to the ship. Okay, so there's that

0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:03.880
<v Speaker 1>to can clock. Randy then says, listen, what if it's

0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:05.640
<v Speaker 1>what if? The mule is like, what if it's gonna

0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:10.399
<v Speaker 1>be all good? Like what if? What if the opportunities there? Right, listen,

0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:14.199
<v Speaker 1>we've been fighting as foundation Empire has always kind of

0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:17.960
<v Speaker 1>been a problem. Everything's shaken up. Now maybe we can

0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:21.480
<v Speaker 1>all profit from this. So Torren now is like, hold

0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:24.119
<v Speaker 1>on a second, did the mule get to you? And

0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:27.879
<v Speaker 1>Randy's like no, no, no, no, no, the mule didn't get to me.

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<v Speaker 1>But I just want to tell you the mule is

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<v Speaker 1>you love. The mule is pure love, like he doesn't hate,

0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:37.080
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't hate us, In fact, he loves us. So

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<v Speaker 1>now Torn is like okay, yeah, whatever, the mule got

0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:43.240
<v Speaker 1>to you, and he jumps into an escape pod. The

0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:46.960
<v Speaker 1>escape pod has like some sort of booby trap in

0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:49.879
<v Speaker 1>it that shoots the bolts that are attached to the

0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:56.160
<v Speaker 1>escape pod cell. Yeah, these bolts kill Randu and Torren

0:20:57.280 --> 0:20:59.680
<v Speaker 1>doesn't want to, but he has to leave Beita behind,

0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:01.720
<v Speaker 1>She's can prepare and he escapes to we.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't know where, right This was my favorite scene of

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<v Speaker 3>this episode. I think so because I loved the insight

0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:14.680
<v Speaker 3>that we got into more mentalic slash mule abilities here,

0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:19.119
<v Speaker 3>because it's not like, it's not mind control, it's not

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<v Speaker 3>generic I'm wiping your mind. You're now just like, although

0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:24.919
<v Speaker 3>it seems like he can do it, that I he

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<v Speaker 3>can do I think there are varying degrees to his powers.

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<v Speaker 3>For sure, you're right, But I think what's like almost

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<v Speaker 3>mornefarious is what we see here is that the Mule

0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:39.960
<v Speaker 3>has tampered just enough, but has played with Randw's motivations.

0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:45.199
<v Speaker 3>Randw already wants to subvert the foundation, so why not

0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:49.359
<v Speaker 3>do that together? But he like there's just enough to

0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:52.680
<v Speaker 3>nudge someone along. And so I have found it interesting

0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:55.240
<v Speaker 3>over the course of the season watching the ways in

0:21:55.280 --> 0:21:59.440
<v Speaker 3>which the Mule conserves gas. I guess in the table

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<v Speaker 3>that's he's not pedaled to the metal, just mind control

0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:03.960
<v Speaker 3>everybody around him all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that to me is also the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the most fascinating thing about the Mule is it's it's

0:22:11.160 --> 0:22:15.000
<v Speaker 1>it benefits him to not let anybody know just how

0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:17.960
<v Speaker 1>much gas he has or just what the limits of

0:22:17.960 --> 0:22:22.679
<v Speaker 1>his power are. So the sense I get, especially with

0:22:22.760 --> 0:22:26.399
<v Speaker 1>how freaked out he is about Gail, is that he's

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<v Speaker 1>much more vulnerable than anybody knows. And I think Magnifico

0:22:30.480 --> 0:22:33.920
<v Speaker 1>is going to be the key to that. In fact,

0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:41.560
<v Speaker 1>he's probably weaker now without Magnifico than maybe ever. And

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<v Speaker 1>but at the same time he's he's covering that up.

0:22:44.560 --> 0:22:47.160
<v Speaker 1>He's being very very cagey about that part of it. Naturally,

0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:52.080
<v Speaker 1>back on Trantor, Dusk and the Ambassador have made love

0:22:52.960 --> 0:22:58.200
<v Speaker 1>and Dusk. This is so funny because Dusk like kisses

0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:02.080
<v Speaker 1>her and has this fucking look on his face like, yeah,

0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:07.159
<v Speaker 1>still got it, still doing it three days from ascension

0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:09.960
<v Speaker 1>day and I'm still doing it.

0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:10.680
<v Speaker 3>Incredible.

0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:13.800
<v Speaker 1>It was like an incredible vibe from him. He then

0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:17.320
<v Speaker 1>goes to I guess take like a post coital stroll

0:23:17.400 --> 0:23:19.760
<v Speaker 1>around the palace when he sees Day's ferret and then

0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:22.000
<v Speaker 1>he feeds it some wine and meat and then he

0:23:22.040 --> 0:23:26.840
<v Speaker 1>stomps it to death. This I think, Listen, we still

0:23:26.840 --> 0:23:30.280
<v Speaker 1>don't know what Dusk is going to do with his

0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:32.000
<v Speaker 1>gravity bomb, but.

0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:34.280
<v Speaker 2>I suspect I keep forgetting.

0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:37.919
<v Speaker 1>About Yeah, we keep forgetting about that, but like I suspect,

0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:43.640
<v Speaker 1>I think Dusk is positioning himself to just be like, hey,

0:23:44.240 --> 0:23:47.520
<v Speaker 1>forget the cloning thing. What if I just keep going,

0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:51.560
<v Speaker 1>Like I think that's where this is headed. It's just

0:23:51.560 --> 0:23:53.600
<v Speaker 1>like I'll just keep going. As the guy.

0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:57.600
<v Speaker 3>We go to Mikegens, are you are you saying that

0:23:57.640 --> 0:23:59.720
<v Speaker 3>the death Star is his?

0:23:59.840 --> 0:24:02.359
<v Speaker 2>Like gun, He's like, let me keep going? Or I shoot.

0:24:02.800 --> 0:24:07.679
<v Speaker 1>I think I think he's good. I think he understands

0:24:07.680 --> 0:24:11.639
<v Speaker 1>that everybody's coming to trantor I think he is going

0:24:11.720 --> 0:24:14.920
<v Speaker 1>to when everybody's in one place, set the bomb off,

0:24:15.800 --> 0:24:18.960
<v Speaker 1>and somehow in his mind he's going to set himself

0:24:19.040 --> 0:24:23.520
<v Speaker 1>up as the emperor of whatever's left.

0:24:23.560 --> 0:24:25.280
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Yeah, all right, interesting theory.

0:24:25.359 --> 0:24:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sun Master comes through in Loki cosplay sun Master

0:24:31.960 --> 0:24:35.440
<v Speaker 1>eighteen dresses like Loki. Let's just put that.

0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:40.120
<v Speaker 2>Out there, like this is just another variant, a.

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<v Speaker 1>Variant the LOGI with the stab and everything and the

0:24:43.600 --> 0:24:48.200
<v Speaker 1>fucking gauntlets and everything, but with I mean the abs

0:24:48.240 --> 0:24:50.919
<v Speaker 1>we had We mentioned it at the time, but I

0:24:50.960 --> 0:24:53.399
<v Speaker 1>think the casting part of the casting for this season

0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:58.160
<v Speaker 1>was how exactly washboard are your abs and true?

0:24:59.200 --> 0:25:04.080
<v Speaker 3>Where do we get these slowly just pans across his ads,

0:25:04.080 --> 0:25:04.640
<v Speaker 3>and I'm like.

0:25:08.320 --> 0:25:16.480
<v Speaker 1>So, sun Master Loki questions Day, who is still clearly

0:25:16.600 --> 0:25:20.280
<v Speaker 1>like grappling with the emotional revelations of his trip, like.

0:25:20.200 --> 0:25:21.960
<v Speaker 2>He's still kind of in like a fetal position, and.

0:25:22.320 --> 0:25:25.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah he is. It's it's as if a very heavy

0:25:26.000 --> 0:25:29.560
<v Speaker 1>truth has has descended on him and he's grappling with this.

0:25:30.440 --> 0:25:35.720
<v Speaker 1>And Sunmaster then says, like some truly Loki like stuff

0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:38.520
<v Speaker 1>with the staff about how the skull and the staff

0:25:39.119 --> 0:25:42.080
<v Speaker 1>will do this and that and we get it.

0:25:43.560 --> 0:25:44.320
<v Speaker 2>A new tran tour.

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<v Speaker 1>The Mule and Scarlet are going for tour of the

0:25:47.640 --> 0:25:52.439
<v Speaker 1>Mayor's offices and the very the complexes around there. The

0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:55.280
<v Speaker 1>mayor is like, yeah, of course, Hey, my whatever's mine

0:25:55.359 --> 0:25:57.679
<v Speaker 1>is yours, Like, let's go for it. They go into

0:25:57.880 --> 0:26:03.200
<v Speaker 1>the bathroom and the mule is like, hey, you want

0:26:03.200 --> 0:26:06.760
<v Speaker 1>to serve me? I love it. Why don't you drown

0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:14.160
<v Speaker 1>yourself in this sink? And Seth is horrified by this.

0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:19.840
<v Speaker 1>The mayor does his asked, drowns dies, and the Mule

0:26:19.880 --> 0:26:22.919
<v Speaker 1>then asks Seth, hey, you're very close with Pritchard. I

0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:24.440
<v Speaker 1>can feel that coming off of you. Where do you

0:26:24.480 --> 0:26:28.120
<v Speaker 1>think he's going and she's like, well, knowing him, he's

0:26:28.560 --> 0:26:33.199
<v Speaker 1>probably planning to go off and start a rebellion against you.

0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:37.760
<v Speaker 1>We go back to Big Spinach and just as we thought,

0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:43.520
<v Speaker 1>I think this is the Mule's flashback. Yes, and we'll

0:26:43.560 --> 0:26:51.040
<v Speaker 1>pause here. Does this throw into disarray your Magnifico is

0:26:51.080 --> 0:26:54.440
<v Speaker 1>the mule theory, seeing as how they cast this young

0:26:54.520 --> 0:26:57.600
<v Speaker 1>man to look very much like Palau.

0:26:58.320 --> 0:26:58.600
<v Speaker 2>Yes.

0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:02.879
<v Speaker 3>I also was getting a little bit worried about my

0:27:03.000 --> 0:27:07.200
<v Speaker 3>theory in this episode because I think there's a we

0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:09.600
<v Speaker 3>we didn't here. Here's how my theory still stands. We

0:27:09.640 --> 0:27:11.280
<v Speaker 3>didn't see Magnifico. Where the fuck is he?

0:27:11.320 --> 0:27:11.760
<v Speaker 2>What is he?

0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:14.639
<v Speaker 1>He might be around and you see them round, We

0:27:14.680 --> 0:27:17.600
<v Speaker 1>see them youle doing mind control ship on the in

0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:20.399
<v Speaker 1>the same general area that Magnifico is running around in.

0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:23.240
<v Speaker 1>So it from that perspective it might.

0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:27.679
<v Speaker 3>Still legal, I agree, but but definitely uh yeah, my

0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:31.120
<v Speaker 3>theory is getting a little shaky because of this flashback sequence.

0:27:31.760 --> 0:27:34.240
<v Speaker 3>At one point I thought, is the baby Magnifico?

0:27:34.320 --> 0:27:37.840
<v Speaker 2>Are they brothers? And is that what's happening here?

0:27:38.359 --> 0:27:41.439
<v Speaker 1>But I might just kind of wait, hold on, I

0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:42.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of love that one.

0:27:43.280 --> 0:27:48.159
<v Speaker 3>Also, I like that too, Yeah, but I have nothing

0:27:48.200 --> 0:27:50.600
<v Speaker 3>to back that up except that the baby is bald,

0:27:50.680 --> 0:27:52.920
<v Speaker 3>which is not not a connection.

0:27:54.040 --> 0:27:57.560
<v Speaker 2>But I don't know are they brothers. It's not entirely

0:27:57.640 --> 0:28:01.359
<v Speaker 2>clear to me if the baby is magnifico. But I

0:28:01.400 --> 0:28:03.240
<v Speaker 2>thought it was there the entire time, even though we

0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:05.040
<v Speaker 2>kind of see him leave the baby.

0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:06.840
<v Speaker 3>But that doesn't mean he doesn't go back and get

0:28:06.880 --> 0:28:09.560
<v Speaker 3>the baby, get the baby right, or reconnect with his

0:28:09.600 --> 0:28:14.320
<v Speaker 3>brother once they're both older or something. So yeah, I'm

0:28:14.320 --> 0:28:16.600
<v Speaker 3>not so sure about my theory anymore. Is where I'm like.

0:28:16.960 --> 0:28:19.640
<v Speaker 3>I was very pro my theory. I was like, this

0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:22.399
<v Speaker 3>is like eighty twenty now more like sixty forty.

0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:25.320
<v Speaker 1>I was very pro it. I do feel like this

0:28:26.240 --> 0:28:29.719
<v Speaker 1>casting of this young actor throws it into serious Yes,

0:28:29.800 --> 0:28:33.920
<v Speaker 1>all right, that said, so we're we're watching now the parents,

0:28:34.200 --> 0:28:38.440
<v Speaker 1>this small family discuss that they're now going to get

0:28:38.480 --> 0:28:41.560
<v Speaker 1>rid of one of their kids. The whole family's together,

0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:46.320
<v Speaker 1>they're near this looks like an entrance to some kind

0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:50.440
<v Speaker 1>of waterway, right, and the plan is to drown the child.

0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:53.920
<v Speaker 1>Only plot twist, they're going to drown the older son

0:28:55.120 --> 0:28:59.280
<v Speaker 1>and start anew with this baby. And the young boy

0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:05.320
<v Speaker 1>real and he's begging for his life, and as he

0:29:05.520 --> 0:29:11.280
<v Speaker 1>does so, kind of X Men style, his his superpower

0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:16.240
<v Speaker 1>emerges in this moment of intense emotional distress, and both parents,

0:29:16.320 --> 0:29:19.200
<v Speaker 1>one by one, first the father than the mother, fall

0:29:19.280 --> 0:29:24.160
<v Speaker 1>into the water in some kind of delusion, believing that

0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:27.320
<v Speaker 1>like they are now living their lives with their one

0:29:27.560 --> 0:29:30.680
<v Speaker 1>child happily, but in reality they are drowning and they

0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:34.480
<v Speaker 1>have no idea that this is happening. The Young Mule

0:29:34.520 --> 0:29:36.360
<v Speaker 1>then takes the baby and leaves it with the neighbors,

0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:39.719
<v Speaker 1>who we've we get the name of the neighbors, the Bartons.

0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:42.680
<v Speaker 1>Does that Is that gonna be important because it's weird

0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:44.680
<v Speaker 1>that they name the neighbors a lot.

0:29:44.760 --> 0:29:47.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, multiple times, and then it's on the note that

0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:49.720
<v Speaker 3>doesn't ring a bell for me, but that might just

0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:54.240
<v Speaker 3>be beyond my Asimov universe foundation knowledge.

0:29:54.480 --> 0:29:55.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure.

0:29:55.320 --> 0:30:00.440
<v Speaker 1>It feels like it's gonna come back. And then the

0:30:01.040 --> 0:30:03.720
<v Speaker 1>young Mule leaves to become the Mule that we see

0:30:03.760 --> 0:30:08.840
<v Speaker 1>today and in the present, the Mule goes to Hologram

0:30:08.840 --> 0:30:12.400
<v Speaker 1>Harry's vault yells for Harry to come out. It's like,

0:30:12.440 --> 0:30:17.840
<v Speaker 1>I know you're in there. Hologram Harry comes out and

0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:22.640
<v Speaker 1>just asks basically so how much of how much of

0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:25.080
<v Speaker 1>what you know about your life is true? Basically he

0:30:25.120 --> 0:30:29.240
<v Speaker 1>says it, and then we end, which is, yeah, fascinating

0:30:29.360 --> 0:30:33.600
<v Speaker 1>because we didn't until this moment know that hologram Harry

0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:37.080
<v Speaker 1>knew anything about the Mule and apparently is aware of

0:30:37.120 --> 0:30:40.360
<v Speaker 1>the Mule to the point of knowing about his childhood

0:30:40.440 --> 0:30:43.040
<v Speaker 1>or perhaps the mule shared that, but can he share

0:30:43.080 --> 0:30:47.760
<v Speaker 1>that with a hologram? Many questions. Your thoughts on that ending.

0:30:48.680 --> 0:30:49.560
<v Speaker 2>I loved the ending.

0:30:49.680 --> 0:30:50.600
<v Speaker 1>I same.

0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:54.760
<v Speaker 3>I mean, this is finally we're seeing the unstoppable force

0:30:54.800 --> 0:30:57.680
<v Speaker 3>meet the immovable object, and I can't wait, Like, yeah,

0:30:57.760 --> 0:31:01.040
<v Speaker 3>next next week's episode. I was very tempted to just

0:31:01.080 --> 0:31:04.480
<v Speaker 3>click next and watch the next one, but I'm gonna

0:31:04.480 --> 0:31:05.160
<v Speaker 3>restrain myself.

0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:06.160
<v Speaker 2>Very good ending.

0:31:06.560 --> 0:31:10.040
<v Speaker 3>I thought, you know, overall this episode, I think we've

0:31:10.080 --> 0:31:11.960
<v Speaker 3>come off like a tor dy fors of like bombshell

0:31:11.960 --> 0:31:14.880
<v Speaker 3>episode bomb Shall upside bombs episode. This one felt, you know,

0:31:15.080 --> 0:31:17.240
<v Speaker 3>not as good, but like definitely.

0:31:16.920 --> 0:31:18.720
<v Speaker 1>Had an action an action episode.

0:31:18.800 --> 0:31:22.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, and so I was hoping.

0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:24.480
<v Speaker 3>I was like, Okay, I mean, maybe it's too much

0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:26.720
<v Speaker 3>to hope for a fourth episode in a row with

0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:29.280
<v Speaker 3>a great bombshell moment or something. I think in a

0:31:29.360 --> 0:31:32.120
<v Speaker 3>small way, we got it in the end here with

0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:34.920
<v Speaker 3>the flashback to the Great Mule, and we got it

0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:37.560
<v Speaker 3>with Mule Harry showdown coming up. You know, like this

0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:41.080
<v Speaker 3>is very wwe coded. It's gonna get real in the

0:31:41.200 --> 0:31:42.160
<v Speaker 3>ring next episode.

0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:44.320
<v Speaker 1>So let me ask you this. Here's the thought I

0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:52.800
<v Speaker 1>had body Harry has Gail, that's his mentallic, right, is

0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:58.040
<v Speaker 1>the Mule hologram Harry's Gail? Like is if he knows

0:31:58.560 --> 0:32:05.480
<v Speaker 1>about the mules upbringing? Did he know that the Mule

0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:11.120
<v Speaker 1>would emerge? And has he did he get that ball rolling?

0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:12.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:32:13.120 --> 0:32:17.400
<v Speaker 3>See, I don't know that Holograham Harry knows a lot

0:32:17.440 --> 0:32:18.120
<v Speaker 3>about the Mule.

0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:20.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't think he does, but he seemed to in

0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:20.800
<v Speaker 1>this moment.

0:32:21.080 --> 0:32:21.760
<v Speaker 2>He seemed to.

0:32:22.200 --> 0:32:25.640
<v Speaker 3>But knowing Harry over the course of this show, my

0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:29.520
<v Speaker 3>first instinct was, Oh, he's bluffing. He's just like puffing

0:32:29.560 --> 0:32:33.000
<v Speaker 3>his feathers in the face of this like unknown danger

0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:35.840
<v Speaker 3>to try and get more out of him. And I

0:32:35.880 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 3>think it also for the audience, it serves as like

0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:39.400
<v Speaker 3>this flashback.

0:32:38.960 --> 0:32:41.280
<v Speaker 2>That we just showed you this episode, how much of

0:32:41.320 --> 0:32:41.800
<v Speaker 2>that is true?

0:32:42.280 --> 0:32:42.400
<v Speaker 1>Right?

0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:45.400
<v Speaker 3>Are you sure that this young boy was the Mule

0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:47.239
<v Speaker 3>and that's or is this the story the Mule has

0:32:47.280 --> 0:32:48.160
<v Speaker 3>crafted for him or.

0:32:48.280 --> 0:32:51.360
<v Speaker 1>Is that the story that Magnifico put into his mind.

0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:53.880
<v Speaker 2>Or put into his mind? Right? Is Magnifico the other

0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:54.840
<v Speaker 2>child or something?

0:32:54.920 --> 0:32:55.040
<v Speaker 1>You know?

0:32:55.240 --> 0:33:00.480
<v Speaker 3>Like, I think intentionally we are supposed to question basically

0:33:00.600 --> 0:33:02.200
<v Speaker 3>everything with the Mule in this episode.

0:33:02.280 --> 0:33:03.440
<v Speaker 2>So I'm excited.

0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:07.440
<v Speaker 3>I mean, we're now moving on to like basically the

0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:10.480
<v Speaker 3>final third of the season, and I think we're in

0:33:10.600 --> 0:33:13.520
<v Speaker 3>for some huge twists and reveals with the Mule, I

0:33:13.800 --> 0:33:15.000
<v Speaker 3>continusing it all season long.

0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:19.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's talk quickly about Micajen. What do you think

0:33:19.480 --> 0:33:26.520
<v Speaker 1>is what role will the Robot Worshippers play going forward?

0:33:26.840 --> 0:33:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Because I think we are meant because of some of

0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:35.080
<v Speaker 1>the foreshadow and we got in earlier episodes to suspect

0:33:35.160 --> 0:33:40.040
<v Speaker 1>that Trantor is maybe going to be completely destroyed, and

0:33:40.080 --> 0:33:41.880
<v Speaker 1>certainly it's gonna be the fight the site of a

0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:45.560
<v Speaker 1>major battle. Yeah, so what happens to the Robot Worshippers

0:33:45.960 --> 0:33:47.800
<v Speaker 1>and what role do they plan the story going forward?

0:33:47.880 --> 0:33:48.320
<v Speaker 1>If any?

0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:54.920
<v Speaker 3>It's still unclear to me where emotionally Day has ended

0:33:55.000 --> 0:33:58.120
<v Speaker 3>up at the end of this episode, Like, are these

0:33:58.160 --> 0:34:01.960
<v Speaker 3>revelations about Demerzel that he's had, is that freeing for him,

0:34:02.200 --> 0:34:06.160
<v Speaker 3>is able to let go of the Cleon baggage and

0:34:06.320 --> 0:34:10.320
<v Speaker 3>now maybe like forge a different life in Micagen or

0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:17.440
<v Speaker 3>has that solidified his loyalty to Empire to Demozelle in

0:34:17.600 --> 0:34:20.200
<v Speaker 3>some way and is he going to now actively work

0:34:20.280 --> 0:34:25.160
<v Speaker 3>against these robot worshippers? You know, I think that's intentionally

0:34:25.239 --> 0:34:27.839
<v Speaker 3>left unclear at the end of this episode, and we'll

0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:31.560
<v Speaker 3>see what happens, but I'm not sure. Like I'm getting

0:34:31.640 --> 0:34:36.840
<v Speaker 3>like sort of cult vibes, religious vibes from this group,

0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:39.160
<v Speaker 3>but whether or not they're going to play a huge role.

0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:42.839
<v Speaker 3>I think Demrizel has to come in contact with this group, yes,

0:34:43.880 --> 0:34:47.560
<v Speaker 3>a big role, yeah, but I can't Demrizel also missing

0:34:47.600 --> 0:34:49.760
<v Speaker 3>a lot of key players missing in this episode, no Gale,

0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:53.800
<v Speaker 3>no Demozelle, and so I don't know how that happens.

0:34:53.880 --> 0:34:56.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure, but I think it has to happen

0:34:56.760 --> 0:34:59.200
<v Speaker 3>before this group becomes a player on the battlefields.

0:34:59.360 --> 0:35:01.799
<v Speaker 1>I agree. I I was left wondering. My feeling at

0:35:01.840 --> 0:35:07.959
<v Speaker 1>the end of Mikajen is that the days always felt

0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:10.040
<v Speaker 1>like the Weirdo, has always felt like something's wrong, and

0:35:10.120 --> 0:35:19.560
<v Speaker 1>has clearly always felt coming from Demarzelle this anger, passive, aggressive,

0:35:20.200 --> 0:35:24.000
<v Speaker 1>even hatred, and he's clearly had it gnawing at his

0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:26.160
<v Speaker 1>conscious this whole time. Why do you not like me?

0:35:26.280 --> 0:35:29.080
<v Speaker 1>Why do you hate us? While he's only wanted to,

0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:31.399
<v Speaker 1>in a way please her, And I think you could

0:35:31.520 --> 0:35:34.200
<v Speaker 1>kind of read into the choices he's made in his

0:35:34.320 --> 0:35:38.520
<v Speaker 1>life as this attempt and failure to please this mother

0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:41.200
<v Speaker 1>figure who he feels like hates him but won't ever

0:35:41.400 --> 0:35:44.480
<v Speaker 1>talk about why. And so I feel like the revelation

0:35:44.960 --> 0:35:48.520
<v Speaker 1>of the true nature of her relationship to Empire, which

0:35:48.560 --> 0:35:51.440
<v Speaker 1>is she was programmed to support and nurture them and

0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:55.959
<v Speaker 1>doesn't actually want to be doing it and is again

0:35:56.080 --> 0:35:59.200
<v Speaker 1>essentially a prisoner of this structure. I think that was

0:36:00.640 --> 0:36:02.680
<v Speaker 1>I think it was heartbreaking for him. I think it

0:36:02.920 --> 0:36:08.239
<v Speaker 1>was shattering to discover his role in the enslavement of

0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:12.239
<v Speaker 1>someone he truly cares about. And I think I was

0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:15.440
<v Speaker 1>left feeling like, there's a chance he becomes like this

0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Patty Hurst like figure working with these religious rebels to

0:36:24.560 --> 0:36:28.080
<v Speaker 1>air quotes free Demarzell, I mean truly, not even air quotes,

0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:34.279
<v Speaker 1>like really actually free her, whatever that means. And you know,

0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:39.200
<v Speaker 1>I guess potentially be Demarzelle's army going forward if it

0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:41.719
<v Speaker 1>does go that way. But the one thing I agree

0:36:41.760 --> 0:36:44.399
<v Speaker 1>with you with I think they have to all meet,

0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:46.600
<v Speaker 1>like that must happen, right.

0:36:47.040 --> 0:36:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely.

0:36:48.560 --> 0:36:50.840
<v Speaker 3>I mean I really liked in this episode that the

0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:54.600
<v Speaker 3>like thematic through line was two children abandoned by their parents.

0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:59.239
<v Speaker 3>We got Cleon and we got young Mule, and we

0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:02.440
<v Speaker 3>see how that plays out for the Mule presumably, and

0:37:02.520 --> 0:37:04.600
<v Speaker 3>I think it'll be interesting to see how it plays

0:37:04.640 --> 0:37:07.480
<v Speaker 3>off for Kleon now, whether he'll go down as similarly

0:37:07.560 --> 0:37:08.560
<v Speaker 3>destructive route.

0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:10.040
<v Speaker 2>Or if it'll go a different way for him.

0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:13.600
<v Speaker 1>Torn and Pritch, I would assume that they're heading towards

0:37:14.000 --> 0:37:16.600
<v Speaker 1>Gail and Second Foundation, who we have did not see

0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:18.799
<v Speaker 1>this episode, but it feels like that's the only place

0:37:18.880 --> 0:37:22.879
<v Speaker 1>left that they could possibly go. I mean, Pritch, who

0:37:23.040 --> 0:37:24.800
<v Speaker 1>is is lucky to be alive?

0:37:24.920 --> 0:37:33.040
<v Speaker 3>That guy, I mean, he's a metallic right. Have we

0:37:33.160 --> 0:37:36.200
<v Speaker 3>seen him use his bowers once in an effective way?

0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:40.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, maybe he's just resisting more effectively and it's

0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:44.719
<v Speaker 1>taking all his exertions to like keep his walls up.

0:37:44.800 --> 0:37:48.160
<v Speaker 1>I think is maybe what we're what we're seeing. But

0:37:48.480 --> 0:37:51.720
<v Speaker 1>you know what, again, I would imagine they'll go to Gail,

0:37:51.920 --> 0:37:56.240
<v Speaker 1>who has this kind of bursioning alliance with Demarzelle, maybe

0:37:57.200 --> 0:38:01.319
<v Speaker 1>to face down the mute rule. Although we are again

0:38:01.480 --> 0:38:05.600
<v Speaker 1>are left also with the feeling that demarzl maybe kind

0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:07.239
<v Speaker 1>of wants the Mule to blow it all up.

0:38:08.880 --> 0:38:10.680
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of behind all the chaos.

0:38:11.080 --> 0:38:13.600
<v Speaker 1>Maybe behind yes, maybe behind this entire thing.

0:38:15.840 --> 0:38:16.680
<v Speaker 2>I suppose we'll see.

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