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Speaker 1: Warning today's episode Today in spoilers for Foundation episode seven

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Speaker 1: of season three. Hello, my name is Jason Getupsion and

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Speaker 1: my name's a Boot and welcome back to x ray Vision,

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Speaker 1: the podcast where we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies,

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Speaker 1: comics of pop culture. Company from my Heart podcast where

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Speaker 1: we're bring you episodes every Tuesday and Thursday and Friday,

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Speaker 1: Most News on.

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Speaker 2: Saturday, News on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: You don't forget Today, Jason, we are continuing our journey

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Speaker 3: into Foundation season three and talking all about episode seven.

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Speaker 2: We're nearing the end.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, and it's getting very hot. Let's immediately jump

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Speaker 1: into it. Foundation episode seven of season three, Foundations ended.

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Speaker 1: It really looks like it. We open years ago on

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Speaker 1: the planet Rassam aka Big Spinach a Mother, where we

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Speaker 1: meet a young mother with her newborn baby and her

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Speaker 1: spinach of Big Spinach, and we learned that they live

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Speaker 1: on this kind of industrial agricultural planet where huge wheel

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Speaker 1: shaped tractors pull up the crops and we watch that

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Speaker 1: process happening. There's also a group called Assessors that will

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Speaker 1: Apparently that these workers have and make sure that they

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Speaker 1: don't have anything they shouldn't and they sense that this

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Speaker 1: is about to occur, so they run back to their

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Speaker 1: homestead and one of the assessor ship's lands, and the

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Speaker 1: mother along with her husband, puts this newborn baby into

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Speaker 1: a hiding place, and the assessors arrive and they ask

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Speaker 1: a bunch of questions, and we learn immediately that these

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Speaker 1: assessors work for foundations. So uhh, the good guys that

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Speaker 1: you thought were good are kind of bad. Although I

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Speaker 1: should say that we kind of knew, and Harry always

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Speaker 1: kind of knew that Foundation one was going to go

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Speaker 1: astray in certain ways. And so we're seeing that now

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Speaker 1: the Foundation one rules this planet, and we should assume

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Speaker 1: other such planets with a authoritarian grip. There is a

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Speaker 1: one child policy. The assessors discover the second child, the

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Speaker 1: newborn child, and so they tell this family, okay, well

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Speaker 1: you live under a one child policy rule and we'll

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Speaker 1: be back in thirty days and you'll have one child.

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Speaker 1: See you later. Very alarming, very troubling.

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Speaker 2: Very troubling, very Nazi codd.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we go to the present. Is causing Foundation to

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Speaker 1: tear itself apart, just as we saw at the end

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Speaker 1: of the previous episode, the space defenses are shooting at

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Speaker 1: it themselves. On the ground, soldiers are shooting at civilians. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: pritches down in a cell trying to warn Seth that

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Speaker 1: this is all the Mule. The Mule is doing is

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Speaker 1: let me out so I can deal with the Mule.

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Speaker 1: It's all in all a very bad day for Foundation.

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Speaker 1: And meanwhile Torren is trying to get Bita to safety

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Speaker 1: and she's basically knocked unconscious. We go to Trantor. Various

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Speaker 1: alarmed ministers are appealing to Dusk, who is currently the

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Speaker 1: only cleon available. They're telling him it's bad. The Empire

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Speaker 1: has lost much of its fleet around Kalgan. The Foundation

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Speaker 1: is about to fall, which means the Mule will then

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Speaker 1: then has a vision of a camel moving.

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Speaker 2: Through the back of the well.

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Speaker 1: Not the real camel, I mean, let's talk about that.

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Speaker 1: Because he sees this, he then snaps too and orders

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Speaker 1: He says, okay, send pro determined new terminus. Let's find

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Speaker 1: out what's happening there. All the armies in the galaxy

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Speaker 1: and then he'll just leaves. Yeah, what is this real

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Speaker 3: The camel not real, but the ferret later or at

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Speaker 3: And I think, I mean, I think clearly we're supposed

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Speaker 3: Dusk is like deteriorating mentally, you know. And I think,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought that this was a I think it's

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Speaker 1: he enters the literally the last three days of his life.

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Speaker 1: I think Dusk is thinking, what happens to me after?

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Speaker 1: and she just doesn't know what to do. Dusk comes

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Speaker 1: in with a million questions, Hey, do you know any

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Speaker 1: trantor is it falling yet? Or what's going on? She's like,

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Speaker 2: Reason you came to talk to me?

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Speaker 1: I care?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 1: Why?

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Speaker 2: How are you? I'm sorry?

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Speaker 1: How are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Are you also? Baby?

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Speaker 1: No? Sorry? Anyway, we go to New Trantor the Mule lands.

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Speaker 1: He's got all his acolytes with him, Scarlett is with him,

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Speaker 1: and Mayor Inbird goes to bend the knee foundation completely surrendering.

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Speaker 1: and the Mule is like, listen, you're gonna love serving me.

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Speaker 1: Scarlet then paints his cheeks, Mayor Inber's cheeks with blood,

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Speaker 1: so he gets the picture, and we discover that it appears,

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Speaker 1: whether by his own volition or due to the influence

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Speaker 1: And then as as I guess a price for their

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Speaker 1: locate Gail Dornick. This is shocking. Do you think do

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Speaker 1: you think Mayor Inbert did this just on his own

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Speaker 1: I think he did.

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Speaker 2: I think he can. I think did.

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Speaker 3: I think he's enough of a coward to sell out

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Speaker 3: the planet for his own supposed safety. But I do

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Speaker 3: think this is such a fun storytelling device because every

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Speaker 3: Correct And obviously we say that see that play out

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Speaker 3: But I had a fun time in every scene on Foundation,

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Speaker 3: asking myself is this the mule or is this their

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Speaker 1: Same we go to Micagen where things are getting very

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Speaker 1: very interesting. Now Day is apologizing to uh Song and

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Speaker 1: clearly like a misunderstand some of it. This was a

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Speaker 1: a big deal. And they're like, you know what intriguing,

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Speaker 1: but we need to know more, right, how do we

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Speaker 1: Pleasure Palace to me, And yeah, you know, there's got

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Speaker 1: This gang leader that we had heard some telling of

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Speaker 1: Back on Trantor, the Ambassador tells Dusk about the fall

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Speaker 1: and Dusk is like, don't worry. They don't worry about it.

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Speaker 1: I'll protect you, Like, don't worry. You stay with me.

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Speaker 1: Leave the Foundation Mission, the chancery, the Foundation Embassy. You

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Speaker 1: absolutely fine. The Empire is on a strong footing. She's like,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, where are day in Dawn Like, Joe, I'm

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Speaker 1: All of which is to say, I'm holding things together here, okay.

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Speaker 1: And then Day's ferret runs onto the table and he's like,

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Speaker 1: I'll look at that. Isn't that cute? Song? And gamer

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Speaker 1: and he's running Wait til Jesus, god, guy, the chastic

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Speaker 1: process of this show amazing. So they're running through He's

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Speaker 1: running through the halls right seeing these visions. He sees

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Speaker 1: with Demozelle, like about like, why do you hate me? Demrcel?

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Speaker 1: and it's like that's okay, So that's the robot. Can

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Speaker 1: you free you? Can free the robot? Can't you? And

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Speaker 1: like and days like can I free you? And Day

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Speaker 1: eventually tells Song, no, I can't. I can't order the

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Speaker 1: of course, because it's like they have enslaved God. Apparently

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sun Master comes through in Loki cosplay sun Master

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Speaker 1: I think this is the Mule's flashback. Yes, and we'll

431
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: pause here. Does this throw into disarray your Magnifico is

432
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 1: the mule theory, seeing as how they cast this young

433
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: man to look very much like Palau.

434
00:26:58,320 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 2: Yes.

435
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 3: I also was getting a little bit worried about my

436
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 3: theory in this episode because I think there's a we

437
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 3: we didn't here. Here's how my theory still stands. We

438
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 3: didn't see Magnifico. Where the fuck is he?

439
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 2: What is he?

440
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: He might be around and you see them round, We

441
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: see them youle doing mind control ship on the in

442
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: the same general area that Magnifico is running around in.

443
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: So it from that perspective it might.

444
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 3: Still legal, I agree, but but definitely uh yeah, my

445
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 3: theory is getting a little shaky because of this flashback sequence.

446
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 3: At one point I thought, is the baby Magnifico?

447
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: Are they brothers? And is that what's happening here?

448
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 1: But I might just kind of wait, hold on, I

449
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: kind of love that one.

450
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 3: Also, I like that too, Yeah, but I have nothing

451
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 3: to back that up except that the baby is bald,

452
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 3: which is not not a connection.

453
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 2: But I don't know are they brothers. It's not entirely

454
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 2: clear to me if the baby is magnifico. But I

455
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 2: thought it was there the entire time, even though we

456
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 2: kind of see him leave the baby.

457
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean he doesn't go back and get

458
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 3: the baby, get the baby right, or reconnect with his

459
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 3: brother once they're both older or something. So yeah, I'm

460
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 3: not so sure about my theory anymore. Is where I'm like.

461
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 3: I was very pro my theory. I was like, this

462
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 3: is like eighty twenty now more like sixty forty.

463
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: I was very pro it. I do feel like this

464
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,719
Speaker 1: casting of this young actor throws it into serious Yes,

465
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: all right, that said, so we're we're watching now the parents,

466
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: this small family discuss that they're now going to get

467
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: rid of one of their kids. The whole family's together,

468
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: they're near this looks like an entrance to some kind

469
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: of waterway, right, and the plan is to drown the child.

470
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: Only plot twist, they're going to drown the older son

471
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: and start anew with this baby. And the young boy

472
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: real and he's begging for his life, and as he

473
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: does so, kind of X Men style, his his superpower

474
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: emerges in this moment of intense emotional distress, and both parents,

475
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: one by one, first the father than the mother, fall

476
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: into the water in some kind of delusion, believing that

477
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: like they are now living their lives with their one

478
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: child happily, but in reality they are drowning and they

479
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: have no idea that this is happening. The Young Mule

480
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: then takes the baby and leaves it with the neighbors,

481
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,719
Speaker 1: who we've we get the name of the neighbors, the Bartons.

482
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: Does that Is that gonna be important because it's weird

483
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: that they name the neighbors a lot.

484
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, multiple times, and then it's on the note that

485
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 3: doesn't ring a bell for me, but that might just

486
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 3: be beyond my Asimov universe foundation knowledge.

487
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 2: I'm not sure.

488
00:29:55,320 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: It feels like it's gonna come back. And then the

489
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: young Mule leaves to become the Mule that we see

490
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: today and in the present, the Mule goes to Hologram

491
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: Harry's vault yells for Harry to come out. It's like,

492
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: I know you're in there. Hologram Harry comes out and

493
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: just asks basically so how much of how much of

494
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: what you know about your life is true? Basically he

495
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: says it, and then we end, which is, yeah, fascinating

496
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: because we didn't until this moment know that hologram Harry

497
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: knew anything about the Mule and apparently is aware of

498
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: the Mule to the point of knowing about his childhood

499
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: or perhaps the mule shared that, but can he share

500
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: that with a hologram? Many questions. Your thoughts on that ending.

501
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 2: I loved the ending.

502
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: I same.

503
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 3: I mean, this is finally we're seeing the unstoppable force

504
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 3: meet the immovable object, and I can't wait, Like, yeah,

505
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 3: next next week's episode. I was very tempted to just

506
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 3: click next and watch the next one, but I'm gonna

507
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 3: restrain myself.

508
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: Very good ending.

509
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 3: I thought, you know, overall this episode, I think we've

510
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 3: come off like a tor dy fors of like bombshell

511
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 3: episode bomb Shall upside bombs episode. This one felt, you know,

512
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 3: not as good, but like definitely.

513
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: Had an action an action episode.

514
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and so I was hoping.

515
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, I mean, maybe it's too much

516
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 3: to hope for a fourth episode in a row with

517
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 3: a great bombshell moment or something. I think in a

518
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 3: small way, we got it in the end here with

519
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 3: the flashback to the Great Mule, and we got it

520
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 3: with Mule Harry showdown coming up. You know, like this

521
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 3: is very wwe coded. It's gonna get real in the

522
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 3: ring next episode.

523
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this. Here's the thought I

524
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: had body Harry has Gail, that's his mentallic, right, is

525
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: the Mule hologram Harry's Gail? Like is if he knows

526
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: about the mules upbringing? Did he know that the Mule

527
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: would emerge? And has he did he get that ball rolling?

528
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 2: I don't know.

529
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 3: See, I don't know that Holograham Harry knows a lot

530
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 3: about the Mule.

531
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: I don't think he does, but he seemed to in

532
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: this moment.

533
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 2: He seemed to.

534
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 3: But knowing Harry over the course of this show, my

535
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 3: first instinct was, Oh, he's bluffing. He's just like puffing

536
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 3: his feathers in the face of this like unknown danger

537
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 3: to try and get more out of him. And I

538
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 3: think it also for the audience, it serves as like

539
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 3: this flashback.

540
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 2: That we just showed you this episode, how much of

541
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 2: that is true?

542
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: Right?

543
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 3: Are you sure that this young boy was the Mule

544
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,239
Speaker 3: and that's or is this the story the Mule has

545
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 3: crafted for him or.

546
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: Is that the story that Magnifico put into his mind.

547
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 2: Or put into his mind? Right? Is Magnifico the other

548
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: child or something?

549
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: You know?

550
00:32:55,240 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 3: Like, I think intentionally we are supposed to question basically

551
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 3: everything with the Mule in this episode.

552
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 2: So I'm excited.

553
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 3: I mean, we're now moving on to like basically the

554
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 3: final third of the season, and I think we're in

555
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 3: for some huge twists and reveals with the Mule, I

556
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 3: continusing it all season long.

557
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk quickly about Micajen. What do you think

558
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: is what role will the Robot Worshippers play going forward?

559
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: Because I think we are meant because of some of

560
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: the foreshadow and we got in earlier episodes to suspect

561
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: that Trantor is maybe going to be completely destroyed, and

562
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: certainly it's gonna be the fight the site of a

563
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: major battle. Yeah, so what happens to the Robot Worshippers

564
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: and what role do they plan the story going forward?

565
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: If any?

566
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 3: It's still unclear to me where emotionally Day has ended

567
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 3: up at the end of this episode, Like, are these

568
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 3: revelations about Demerzel that he's had, is that freeing for him,

569
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 3: is able to let go of the Cleon baggage and

570
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 3: now maybe like forge a different life in Micagen or

571
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 3: has that solidified his loyalty to Empire to Demozelle in

572
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 3: some way and is he going to now actively work

573
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 3: against these robot worshippers? You know, I think that's intentionally

574
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 3: left unclear at the end of this episode, and we'll

575
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 3: see what happens, but I'm not sure. Like I'm getting

576
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 3: like sort of cult vibes, religious vibes from this group,

577
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 3: but whether or not they're going to play a huge role.

578
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 3: I think Demrizel has to come in contact with this group, yes,

579
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 3: a big role, yeah, but I can't Demrizel also missing

580
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 3: a lot of key players missing in this episode, no Gale,

581
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 3: no Demozelle, and so I don't know how that happens.

582
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 3: I'm not sure, but I think it has to happen

583
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 3: before this group becomes a player on the battlefields.

584
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: I agree. I I was left wondering. My feeling at

585
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:07,959
Speaker 1: the end of Mikajen is that the days always felt

586
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: like the Weirdo, has always felt like something's wrong, and

587
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: has clearly always felt coming from Demarzelle this anger, passive, aggressive,

588
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: even hatred, and he's clearly had it gnawing at his

589
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: conscious this whole time. Why do you not like me?

590
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: Why do you hate us? While he's only wanted to,

591
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 1: in a way please her, And I think you could

592
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: kind of read into the choices he's made in his

593
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: life as this attempt and failure to please this mother

594
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: figure who he feels like hates him but won't ever

595
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: talk about why. And so I feel like the revelation

596
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: of the true nature of her relationship to Empire, which

597
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: is she was programmed to support and nurture them and

598
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,959
Speaker 1: doesn't actually want to be doing it and is again

599
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: essentially a prisoner of this structure. I think that was

600
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: I think it was heartbreaking for him. I think it

601
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: was shattering to discover his role in the enslavement of

602
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: someone he truly cares about. And I think I was

603
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: left feeling like, there's a chance he becomes like this

604
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: Patty Hurst like figure working with these religious rebels to

605
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: air quotes free Demarzell, I mean truly, not even air quotes,

606
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: like really actually free her, whatever that means. And you know,

607
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: I guess potentially be Demarzelle's army going forward if it

608
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: does go that way. But the one thing I agree

609
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 1: with you with I think they have to all meet,

610
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: like that must happen, right.

611
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.

612
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 3: I mean I really liked in this episode that the

613
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 3: like thematic through line was two children abandoned by their parents.

614
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 3: We got Cleon and we got young Mule, and we

615
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 3: see how that plays out for the Mule presumably, and

616
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 3: I think it'll be interesting to see how it plays

617
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 3: off for Kleon now, whether he'll go down as similarly

618
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 3: destructive route.

619
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 2: Or if it'll go a different way for him.

620
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: Torn and Pritch, I would assume that they're heading towards

621
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: Gail and Second Foundation, who we have did not see

622
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: this episode, but it feels like that's the only place

623
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 1: left that they could possibly go. I mean, Pritch, who

624
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: is is lucky to be alive?

625
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 3: That guy, I mean, he's a metallic right. Have we

626
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 3: seen him use his bowers once in an effective way?

627
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe he's just resisting more effectively and it's

628
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: taking all his exertions to like keep his walls up.

629
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: I think is maybe what we're what we're seeing. But

630
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 1: you know what, again, I would imagine they'll go to Gail,

631
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 1: who has this kind of bursioning alliance with Demarzelle, maybe

632
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: to face down the mute rule. Although we are again

633
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: are left also with the feeling that demarzl maybe kind

634
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: of wants the Mule to blow it all up.

635
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 2: It's kind of behind all the chaos.

636
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: Maybe behind yes, maybe behind this entire thing.

637
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 2: I suppose we'll see.

638
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,680
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