WEBVTT - Part Three: America's First Fascist Governor

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<v Speaker 1>Also media.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, Sophie, one of these days, I'm gonna do that,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's gonna sound like I'm doing another like a

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<v Speaker 2>tonal shriek. But then I'm just gonna like jump right

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<v Speaker 2>into the opening soundtrack from The Lion King, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be fucking amazed.

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<v Speaker 1>What's so wild is when you did that, I was

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<v Speaker 1>immediately thinking of Lion King, like I think you're almost there.

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<v Speaker 2>Were I was very very close. I was very close.

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't thinking the Lion King. I'll say it. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not going to be grit ced.

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<v Speaker 2>You grew up with the bad Lion King, not the

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<v Speaker 2>good one.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not true. Fuck off.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I assume you were raised on the Donald Glover

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<v Speaker 2>Lion King. What a mistake, What a horrible mistake.

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<v Speaker 3>Why would you ever do another version? Garrison was not

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<v Speaker 3>born last Thursday? What are we doing?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember when the new Disney movies come out.

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<v Speaker 2>I just know they have off putting cgi versions of

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<v Speaker 2>all together for four years.

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<v Speaker 3>It's terrible. Sound right, I think it doesn't sound Wronger, No,

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<v Speaker 3>it's been four years. Sophie's well, yeah, slightly.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to tell you right now, my mental health

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<v Speaker 2>is going to plummet the day you're able to rent

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<v Speaker 2>a car. It's going to be a disase.

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<v Speaker 3>It's coming soon. It's coming soon.

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<v Speaker 1>The the the Donald Glover Lion King predates predates us,

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<v Speaker 1>because that was twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, okay, all right, all right, all right, anyway, welcome

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<v Speaker 3>to behind the Bastards. I guess we have this new

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<v Speaker 3>cold open thing, which I'm still not super familiar with.

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<v Speaker 3>But uh, it's pretty pretty chilly. So it's pretty chilly

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<v Speaker 3>in here.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pronounced chile Garrison, and it's it's correct. The difference

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<v Speaker 2>between you know you you're yeah. Sorry, I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>an additional bit beyond that, but I got you there,

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<v Speaker 2>nailed it.

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<v Speaker 3>I really set you up for that one.

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<v Speaker 2>He really did. What are we talking about today, buddy?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh? Just a normal guy from the nineteen thirties, seemed

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<v Speaker 3>to Eugene Talmage.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell yeah, let's get back into.

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<v Speaker 3>It right where we left off. Jean had as little

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<v Speaker 3>racism convention to try to oust FDR. Right, he has

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<v Speaker 3>his eyes set on the presidency, and he was really.

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<v Speaker 2>The only tactic for ousting FDR was it was racism.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, ever shooting workers, Yeah, because everyone else loved him.

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<v Speaker 3>They're like, well, he's not racist enough. Let's try that.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see if that works.

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<v Speaker 3>The other pressing problem for Gene at this junction is

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<v Speaker 3>that in the previous year, the state failed to secure

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<v Speaker 3>an appropriation spill, so there's no way for the state's

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<v Speaker 3>finances to work going into nineteen thirty six. And this

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<v Speaker 3>is kind of Gene's main problem, especially after his little

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<v Speaker 3>failed racism convention. So at this point we're kind of

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<v Speaker 3>early in nineteen thirty six. The state does have money,

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<v Speaker 3>it just has no legal process to divert or spend

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<v Speaker 3>that money. So in order to use the cash, Gene

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<v Speaker 3>needs to convince the treasurer to sign checks on unappropriated funds,

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<v Speaker 3>which is technically constitutional, but by I would say, creatively

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<v Speaker 3>interpreting the law. Gene claimed that he could write check

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<v Speaker 3>some money appropriated as far back to nineteen thirty three,

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<v Speaker 3>using funds that were not paid in full. He also

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<v Speaker 3>requested that various state departments hold on to their tax

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<v Speaker 3>collections or just give them directly to Gene and fully

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<v Speaker 3>bypass the treasury. So this was his plan to kind

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<v Speaker 3>of hold on to money. Now, Unfortunately for Gene, the

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<v Speaker 3>treasurer had already begun receiving tax payments from the various

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<v Speaker 3>state departments, and by February thirteenth, the state had begun

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<v Speaker 3>to run out of operating funds. Now days later, Gene

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<v Speaker 3>proclaimed the state would have the exact same appropriations bill

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<v Speaker 3>as in nineteen thirty five, arguing that since the legislature

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<v Speaker 3>already approved that budget, it was thus legal indefinitely, which

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<v Speaker 3>is not just not how state budgets work. Now, the

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<v Speaker 3>Treasurer was of the opinion that this whole affair was

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<v Speaker 3>veering on unconstitutionality.

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<v Speaker 2>He was worried, Garrison, I need you to say that

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<v Speaker 2>word again.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, all right, it's it's a long's there's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of syllables in here.

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<v Speaker 2>Unconstitutional, unconstitutionality is unconstitutionality, Okay, okay, okay, unconstitutionality. That's probably

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<v Speaker 2>a word.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's mostly a word. It was, it was he

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<v Speaker 3>was scared of his unconstitutional word. I'm pretty sure this

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<v Speaker 3>is a word, Sophie. You've no.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so tired. I'm so tired.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't it's a word. Unconstitutionality. That's a word.

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<v Speaker 2>Robert and I are.

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<v Speaker 3>Both so fucking tired.

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<v Speaker 1>You can just tell.

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<v Speaker 3>According to according to the Cornell Law Institute.

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<v Speaker 2>So there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Shout out Cornell. My grandma went there. Now.

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<v Speaker 3>The treasurer, a guy named George Hamilton, was also worried

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<v Speaker 3>that Talmage might just try to personally seize all the

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<v Speaker 3>states cash kept in banks around the state, possibly with

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<v Speaker 3>millions falling falling into the direct control of Gene. So

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<v Speaker 3>treasure Hamilton asked FDR to secure state bonds in federal

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<v Speaker 3>vaults so that Gene couldn't legally access them, and FDR

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<v Speaker 3>was apparently happy to make life harder for Eugene Talmage.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to quote from Gene's biography by William Anderson. Quote,

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<v Speaker 3>the Treasurer carefully drilled his staff on what to do

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<v Speaker 3>in the event he was thrown out of office. They

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<v Speaker 3>were to remove all collateral bonds and cash from state vaults,

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<v Speaker 3>set an eight hour timelock on the empty vault, and

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<v Speaker 3>run for the Federal Reserve and the local banks where

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<v Speaker 3>they were to deposit both cash and bonds. Speed was

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<v Speaker 3>essential because of the closeness of the treasurers at the

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<v Speaker 3>Governor's office. Unquote. It's just like they were basically had

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<v Speaker 3>their offices just across the hallway. We don't they have enough.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what we don't have enough of in modern

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<v Speaker 2>politics is capers. You know there is the capers. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a caper.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's some good capers in this episode, so uh speak.

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<v Speaker 3>Speaking speaking of capers, I love bagels. Now, Talmidch wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to test his own power by asking the school superintendent,

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<v Speaker 3>a guy named M. D. Collins, and the asylum warden

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<v Speaker 3>to put in requests for money, pressuring the treasurer to

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<v Speaker 3>write the checks. Now, the treasurer caught worded this ahead

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<v Speaker 3>of time, and, not wanting to be caught denying funds

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<v Speaker 3>to schools and mental patients, he contacted the superintendent ahead

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<v Speaker 3>of time and made secret arrangements to send him into hiding,

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<v Speaker 3>putting him up in putting him up in an Atlanta hotel. So,

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<v Speaker 3>as expected, Jeane went looking for the superintendent and was

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<v Speaker 3>quite pissed when he just couldn't find him anywhere in

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<v Speaker 3>the city.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, what happened to Caper's right? Why don't we do

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<v Speaker 2>this anymore? All we got all we have now is

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<v Speaker 2>like fascism and very disappointing. Governors want to I want

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<v Speaker 2>a caper, Tim Walls, go steal the declaration of independence,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, get out there.

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<v Speaker 3>They didn't have like sell phoes, they didn't have like email.

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<v Speaker 3>You couldn't send official requests digitally. You had to actually

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<v Speaker 3>you had to actually find five physically.

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<v Speaker 2>And then it was very easy to just put someone

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<v Speaker 2>in a basement and gape them there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, just keep someone hiding in a hotel in downtown

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<v Speaker 3>Atlanta and you just like can't find us.

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<v Speaker 2>No, they might as well be on the fucking moon.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So, on February twentieth, as Gene was still looking

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<v Speaker 3>for mister Collins, the Comptroller and the Treasurer publicly announced

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<v Speaker 3>that they would not be signing checks for the governor,

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<v Speaker 3>claiming his proclamation was invalids having a grandfather clause which

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<v Speaker 3>avoided the old unspent appropriations, and declared this now a

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<v Speaker 3>constitutional battle. The press had basically all turned on Jeane

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<v Speaker 3>at this point, tired from his antics, and an Atlanta

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<v Speaker 3>Constitution headline read the Governor's legal attempt at dictatorship Now

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<v Speaker 3>four years later.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to have some respect for a title that

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<v Speaker 2>tells it like it is.

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<v Speaker 3>There's some this some pretty good like nineteen thirties headlines

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<v Speaker 3>that we're going to get to today.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean journalists made a comfortable income and had

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<v Speaker 2>like support staff and stuff back then. So yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, four days later, Jean wrote an executive order firing

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<v Speaker 3>a comptroller Harrison and a treasurer Hamilton, and both of

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<v Speaker 3>whom declared that they would have to be literally thrown

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<v Speaker 3>out of office. I'm going to quote from Anderson again. Quote.

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<v Speaker 3>This tactic was designed to make Gene look militaristic, a bully,

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<v Speaker 3>a dictator who ruled not by law but by force.

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<v Speaker 3>Since Jean's martial law order from September nineteen thirty four

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<v Speaker 3>was still in effect, that's like a year and a

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<v Speaker 3>half later. He just had the state under marshal law

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<v Speaker 3>for like a year and a half. He had the

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<v Speaker 3>National Guard at his disposal. Upon hearing the men would

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<v Speaker 3>not leave, he ordered the adjunct to General Lindley Camp,

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<v Speaker 3>who had been waiting for this, to take a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of plainclothes men and get Harrison out of his office.

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<v Speaker 3>It was early in the morning. Camp was not a

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<v Speaker 3>violent man. He asked Harrison politely but firmly, to leave.

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<v Speaker 3>You're no longer comptroller, and you'll have to leave this office.

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<v Speaker 3>Camp said Harrison, and seated behind his desk looked disappointed

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<v Speaker 3>that no armed force had shown up. He asked, where

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<v Speaker 3>are the soldiers? Camp leaned long over the desk and drawled,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm some soldiers. Harrison got up and incredible. Some soldiers

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<v Speaker 3>is pretty good. There's not all all of.

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<v Speaker 2>The riz in every single elected leader in the country

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<v Speaker 2>right now doesn't add up to that line. I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>we just we just we don't have that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>we don't have that kind of juice anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, Treasurer Hamilton put up.

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<v Speaker 1>Sophy say, it's the quietly getting up and leaving for me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was like, you can't respond to that.

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<v Speaker 3>You just have to get up to leave.

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<v Speaker 2>You've lost You've lost that engagement. It's time to just

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<v Speaker 2>leave the room now.

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<v Speaker 3>Hamilton, the treasurer, put up a bit more of a fight,

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<v Speaker 3>at least according to Jean's assistant Henry Sperlin, who recounted

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<v Speaker 3>the ordeal quote, I went in in fan Hamilton sitting

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<v Speaker 3>at his desk. I told him he would have to

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<v Speaker 3>leave his office at once. He pulled a large pistol

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<v Speaker 3>out and placed it on the desk and said, I

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<v Speaker 3>am my favorite negotiating tactic. It's good, he said, I

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<v Speaker 3>am constitutionally elected to this office, and I have the

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<v Speaker 3>means to protect it.

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<v Speaker 2>You just convinced me to run for office, because man,

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<v Speaker 2>that would be fun. That would feel good, That would

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<v Speaker 2>feel good.

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<v Speaker 3>Continuing from Spurlin quote, I turned around and went back

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<v Speaker 3>across the hall to the Governor's office and told him

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<v Speaker 3>that George had a big pistol on the desk and

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<v Speaker 3>was refusing to leave. Jean blew up.

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<v Speaker 2>Knowing the Times that was like a thirty eight.

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<v Speaker 3>Jean blew up and started yelling for the adjunct to

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<v Speaker 3>General at the top of his lungs, Lindley, Lenley, Lenley.

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<v Speaker 3>About that time, the Adjunct General came walking through the

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<v Speaker 3>door and said, to keep quiet, Governor. I heard you

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<v Speaker 3>all the way across the street.

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<v Speaker 1>So fine.

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<v Speaker 3>So the actric General, along with some some soldiers, went

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<v Speaker 3>into Hamilton's office and literally picked him up out of

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<v Speaker 3>his chair, and while being carried out at his office,

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<v Speaker 3>Hamilton yelled to his assistants who were running around with

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<v Speaker 3>the last of the Treasury's bonds in cash.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Anderson says that that the guardsman just.

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<v Speaker 2>The wrong turn in this country.

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<v Speaker 3>We took, we took a wrong turn in this country.

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<v Speaker 2>So much more exciting. We used to do it, right,

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<v Speaker 2>That's a democracy you can be proud of. Right, then

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<v Speaker 2>you're reading about.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah oh yeah. Now. Anderson says that the guardsman brought

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<v Speaker 3>his assistants were just like running from the capitol in fear,

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<v Speaker 3>when in actuality, they were taking the last of the

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<v Speaker 3>state's money to be deposited in FDR's federal vaults. So

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<v Speaker 3>after Hamilton was read from the Capitol, he contacted the

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<v Speaker 3>bank telling him that he was still in fact the

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<v Speaker 3>legal treasurer and instructed them to not pay out any

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<v Speaker 3>money and told the post office to not deliver any

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<v Speaker 3>mail directed to the Treasurer to Jean's new replacement, a

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<v Speaker 3>guy named Toby Daniel, and the post office complied with this.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess people justked Hamilton. I'm Nico from Maerson here. Quote.

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<v Speaker 3>It had been a long and busy day in the

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<v Speaker 3>state government, a day which ended in total confusion about

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<v Speaker 3>who controlled what. Hamilton was seen just before dark attacking

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<v Speaker 3>his nameplate and title on a door across town as

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<v Speaker 3>Jane prepared to move on the state vaults. Unquote. I

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<v Speaker 3>dislike that Treasurer. Hamilton just set up his own like

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<v Speaker 3>fake office across town be like, you know, I'm obviously

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<v Speaker 3>still the treasurer. I'm gonna make myself my own office.

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<v Speaker 3>So the next day, Jean's new treasurer, Toby Daniel, went

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<v Speaker 3>to the vaults and he found them sealed shut with

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<v Speaker 3>this eight hour time lock. Jane was never known as

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<v Speaker 3>a patient man, so he ordered locksmith's to cut open

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<v Speaker 3>this safe with gas torches. As soldier stood. Guard men

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<v Speaker 3>cut open the vaults to find nothing. They were complete.

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<v Speaker 3>That's completely empty. Oh that's fun. That's that's a good God. Damn,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a good image. Yeah, Eugene talented with a cigar

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<v Speaker 3>and some soldiers looking at people cut open a vaults

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<v Speaker 3>gas torches. Do it find nothing? Yeah? No, It's like

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<v Speaker 3>it's a fantastic caper. So Gene was extremely upset at this,

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<v Speaker 3>and he said, seemed.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the kind of guy who would take that in

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<v Speaker 2>the spirit of good fair play.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no. He sent Toby Daniel to the Fulton

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<v Speaker 3>National Bank to cash out one hundred grand, but the

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<v Speaker 3>bank refused to honor the check. Every sequence of events

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<v Speaker 3>left Gene just getting more and more pissed. He wrote

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<v Speaker 3>an angry letters to bank president, telling him that the

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<v Speaker 3>bank would have to now pay seven percent interest on

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<v Speaker 3>this state's nine hundred thousand dollars, and if they didn't

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<v Speaker 3>want to deliver cash to Toby Daniel, the governor's executive assistant,

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<v Speaker 3>would be authorized to accept the state's money. The bank

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<v Speaker 3>continued to refuse to hand over any cash, saying that

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<v Speaker 3>it was the quote unquote unanimous decision of the council

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<v Speaker 3>of all the clearinghouse banks that they could not feel

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<v Speaker 3>entirely safe until there had been some judicial determination over

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<v Speaker 3>the question of the state's financial situation. To quote Anderson

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<v Speaker 3>here quote Hamilton's strategy had worked. Gene exploded in anger,

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<v Speaker 3>turning his fury erroneously on the legislature and the federal government.

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<v Speaker 3>He said a clique in the House of Representatives had

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<v Speaker 3>hatched a plot a year earlier in Washington, trying to

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<v Speaker 3>force the state to call an extra session to drain

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<v Speaker 3>off money and force Jane to raise taxes. He said

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<v Speaker 3>the mess was deliberately brought on by the new Deal unquote. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>the Georgia Constitution required that the treasurer be bonded before

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<v Speaker 3>assuming office, but no local bonding company wanted to be

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<v Speaker 3>anywhere near this shit show. But Jean's friend John Whitley,

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<v Speaker 3>found an insurance company all the way in Fort's Scott,

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<v Speaker 3>Kansas that would bond Toby Daniel for three hundred thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>Jean asked the highway board chairman, a guy named mister Wilbur,

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<v Speaker 3>to put up sixty five thousand, which he quite reluctantly

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<v Speaker 3>agreed to, and John Whitley covered the rest. Jean's lstreak

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<v Speaker 3>continued when it was learned just days later that seventeen

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<v Speaker 3>million dollars in federal road funds were being held because

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<v Speaker 3>Jeans spent three million dollars of this money on other

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<v Speaker 3>state expenses, which not allowed. Not cool. You can't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I feel like you should be able to

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<v Speaker 2>do whatever you can get away with as the governor, right,

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<v Speaker 2>like that ought to be the rule. It's like cheating

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<v Speaker 2>at poker. Right, as long as they don't catch you

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<v Speaker 2>in the act, you're good.

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<v Speaker 3>The problem is that that they is that they always

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<v Speaker 3>caught him. That was the problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is an issue.

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<v Speaker 3>And George Hamilton at this point was promising to fight

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<v Speaker 3>to the last to see that the law shell rule

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<v Speaker 3>and not a tyrannical despot who has gone mad with

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<v Speaker 3>egotism Now, According to the Atlanta Journal, thirty six out

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<v Speaker 3>of forty four state papers were now against Talmage, with

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<v Speaker 3>the Gainesville Eagle writing he has out heralded Herod in

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<v Speaker 3>a despotic dictatorial action that transcends the throttling of Louisiana

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<v Speaker 3>by Huey Long. Anderson writes. A survey of newspapers from

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<v Speaker 3>across the state reflected the shock and repulsion many had

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<v Speaker 3>felt for this latest example of Talmadge enforcing his will.

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<v Speaker 3>The Cordell Dispatch worried he's gonna be worse than Hitler

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<v Speaker 3>or Mussolini, which which isn't true.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not that this is this is nineteen thirty gotta

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<v Speaker 2>get At this point in twenty twenty four, we could

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<v Speaker 2>confidently say not as bad as either of those kids.

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<v Speaker 3>Cornell Dispatch debugged, Sorry, your prediction was wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>It would have been pretty funny if, like his his

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<v Speaker 2>term had ended with the United States Marines occupying Atlanta,

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<v Speaker 2>like the just bombing it to craters.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so that that would has that would has been

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<v Speaker 3>debunked there. The nineteen thirty six prediction did did not

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<v Speaker 3>come to pass.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a tragic situation.

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<v Speaker 3>The Columbias Inquirer wrote that he is a quote paper

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<v Speaker 3>machet dictator, a sort of amusing political clown who slipped

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<v Speaker 3>into the governor's office during the storm of the depression,

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<v Speaker 3>which is I would say is more accurate. The Brunswick

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<v Speaker 3>News asked how long Georgia would have to be quote

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<v Speaker 3>misruled by this crazy governor who suffers hallucinations of grandeur

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<v Speaker 3>and imaginary greatness. Gene's answer to all of that was

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<v Speaker 3>that this was a political plot to keep him off

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<v Speaker 3>the campaign trail, saying, this invasion of states rights can

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<v Speaker 3>hold me in Georgia, but the New Deal is going

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<v Speaker 3>to be defeated this year. So at this point, Roosevelt's

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<v Speaker 3>and supporters were trying to get the state Democratic Chairman,

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<v Speaker 3>Hugh Howell to call for a presidential primary to further

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<v Speaker 3>embarrass Gene during the financial crisis and add to the

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<v Speaker 3>pressure facing Talmage. But Howell and Talmadge knew what was

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<v Speaker 3>up and didn't take the bait, especially since Roosevelt was

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely dominating Talmage in even like the most like rule polls.

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<v Speaker 3>He was not very popular during this whole financial crisis.

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<v Speaker 3>On the first of March, the third month into this crisis.

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<v Speaker 3>Gene met with all the banks and asked for the

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<v Speaker 3>state's money to be released, which they again denied. Anderson notes,

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<v Speaker 3>quote it was the kind of request he did not

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<v Speaker 3>like to make, particularly since they refused him. He stormed out,

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<v Speaker 3>saying he would scorch the bankers. His plan was to

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<v Speaker 3>write checks to pay for school bills. If the bankers

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<v Speaker 3>refused to honor them, public pressure would be directed away

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<v Speaker 3>from Gene. It didn't work, unquote, so in response to this,

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<v Speaker 3>Gene quote unquote fired the banks, and the bank's attorney

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<v Speaker 3>asked the Fulton Superior Court to rule on which treasurer

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<v Speaker 3>could legally sign checks. Gene filed a lawsuit with the

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<v Speaker 3>Post Office for not delivering the Treasurer's mail to Daniel,

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<v Speaker 3>and Daniel filed a lawsuit in a lower court against

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<v Speaker 3>Hamilton and hopes that would force him to reveal where

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<v Speaker 3>the collateral bonds were being kept, as still nobody could

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<v Speaker 3>find where they were. So at this point, you like

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<v Speaker 3>all of the business leaders for calling for a special

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<v Speaker 3>legislative session to end this crisis. The editor of the

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<v Speaker 3>Constitution of the newspaper privately promised a glowing editorial of

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<v Speaker 3>Gene if he called for a special session to pass

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<v Speaker 3>an appropriations bill, prompting other papers to do the same,

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<v Speaker 3>with a Gene then emerging from this crisis as a hero.

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<v Speaker 3>But the editor warned that if Gene refused to call

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<v Speaker 3>a session, the newspaper would do everything in its power

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<v Speaker 3>to get him impeached the majority of the state Senate signification.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine a newspaper having any juice at all in an

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<v Speaker 2>election at this point the constitution in simple period of time.

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<v Speaker 3>At this point like this, this specific paper held a

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<v Speaker 3>great deal of power in the state.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, no, no, I mean that used to be. There

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<v Speaker 2>were a lot of papers that were powered both like

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<v Speaker 2>regionally and in the cut. Like, it's just we're in

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<v Speaker 2>a completely different media situation now.

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<v Speaker 3>Nowadays the AJAC is still like an influential paper in

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<v Speaker 3>like city and state politics in Georgia, but it's not

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<v Speaker 3>what it was and then I.

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<v Speaker 2>Thirties, No one you would not have I mean, it'd

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<v Speaker 2>be fascinating to see someone try, but like an editor

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<v Speaker 2>go out and say, like, we will write you a

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<v Speaker 2>great editorial if you if you carry out this policy, right.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you don't, we're gonna get too beached.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like that's just a completely different planet in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of print media influence.

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<v Speaker 3>At this point, i'm majority of the Senate sign a

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<v Speaker 3>petition pleading for a special session, but Gene claimed that

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<v Speaker 3>there was no emergency, thus no reason to call for

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<v Speaker 3>a special session, and on March fourteenth, the court ruled

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<v Speaker 3>that neither Hamilton nor Daniel could withdraw money that had

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<v Speaker 3>not been appropriated, but did not yet rule on which

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<v Speaker 3>man was the legal treasurer. When Gene tried to get

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<v Speaker 3>checks written on oil tax money, a judge legally prohibited

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<v Speaker 3>money from being paid out to the new comptroller, and

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<v Speaker 3>on March eighteenth, the oil companies threatened to withhold their

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<v Speaker 3>tax payments until Gene removed their monetary liability to quote

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<v Speaker 3>Anderson quote. The next day, Hamilton asked the courts to

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<v Speaker 3>a judge him as trusure, and the state's labor leaders

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<v Speaker 3>saw an injunction against Daniel. On March twenty third, the

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<v Speaker 3>state revenue commissioner quit. By the end of that week,

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<v Speaker 3>Jeane had bought radio time to defend his actions and

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<v Speaker 3>explain his reasons for fighting FDR. On air, he said

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<v Speaker 3>he was no dictator, but that he had no alternative

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<v Speaker 3>but to run the state's finances in order to feed

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<v Speaker 3>the sick and the insane. Unquote, he's not bad at spin.

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<v Speaker 2>You knownforunate nothing. I think that probably would work today

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<v Speaker 2>on a disappointing number of the people.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, people are very susceptible to dictators, as I'm sure

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<v Speaker 3>everyone who's been looking at politics the past eight years

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<v Speaker 3>is well aware. The financial crisis neared its end starting

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<v Speaker 3>April eleventh, when four out of the six judges overseeing

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<v Speaker 3>the case disqualified themselves by having affiliations with the banks. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>this was Jane's saving grace, as it was his legal

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<v Speaker 3>duty to replace the judges, so he just picked four

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<v Speaker 3>of his friends, and a month later, the judges formally

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<v Speaker 3>ruled in Gene's favor five to one. The banks released

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<v Speaker 3>the money, Hamilton returned the collateral bonds hidden in the

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<v Speaker 3>federal vaults, and the flow of federal highway funds went

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<v Speaker 3>back to the state. Talmadge supporters were a static. His secretary,

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<v Speaker 3>Carlton Mobley later said, quote, the man was unbelievable. We

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<v Speaker 3>used to all worry like hell when he'd get himself

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<v Speaker 3>into these situations. There would seem no possible way he

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<v Speaker 3>could come out on top and then at the darkest

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<v Speaker 3>moment he would land on his feet unquote. So that

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<v Speaker 3>that that is how Gene navigated this little, this little

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<v Speaker 3>financial crisis and some and somehow came out on top.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know what also likes topping?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Garrison, whoa, whoa. I'm gonna know, I'm gonna I'm

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna correct you there, because when Sophie and I

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<v Speaker 2>started this podcast, you know, we had big story session.

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<v Speaker 2>We're working out what we were going to accept from advertisers,

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<v Speaker 2>and I remember it was like hour eight or nine.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, We're both sitting across the big table at

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<v Speaker 2>the office and we both turn at the same time

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<v Speaker 2>and said, only bottoms, you know, And that's been our

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<v Speaker 2>guiding principle in terms of advertisers from the beginning here.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that's that's that's really our only standard. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>take X on mobile, clear bottom. We wouldn't take British petroleum,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a top.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously, we wouldn't take X on mobile.

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<v Speaker 2>We would take X on. We wouldn't send us some money.

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<v Speaker 1>Guys, they tried, that's a switch.

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<v Speaker 2>Chevron's a clear switch. We're not taking them, Chevron asked us.

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<v Speaker 1>Both it was both.

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<v Speaker 3>It was both.

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<v Speaker 1>We've gotten, but we've gotten We've gotten requests from both

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<v Speaker 1>to do like sustainability campaigns for both those guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we do turn down money people. Yeah, not often,

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<v Speaker 2>but we do.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. No, Okay, we are so back, man, George. George

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<v Speaker 3>is doing great right now. We just had a massive

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<v Speaker 3>chemical fire, which makes my throat feel terrible, and I

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<v Speaker 3>still have to I still have to read through three

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<v Speaker 3>thousand words.

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<v Speaker 2>I made this the other day. But you're really a

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<v Speaker 2>Southerner when the town you live in has been blanketed

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<v Speaker 2>and poisoned because a chemical factory has exploded because it

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<v Speaker 2>got bought by a private equity company who then gutted

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<v Speaker 2>the operations staff and completely fucked all of the safety procedures.

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<v Speaker 3>The air is terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>I lived in West and it was the same thing

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<v Speaker 2>where like they had a fire they had not like

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<v Speaker 2>they were reliant upon like a volunteer firefighting team that

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<v Speaker 2>had not been properly trained in chemical fires. They put

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<v Speaker 2>water on said fire, and it exploded and wiped out

0:24:32.480 --> 0:24:33.520
<v Speaker 2>the whole fire department.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Georgia is strong right now. We're really hanging in there. Case.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I was looking at the map of where all

0:24:41.040 --> 0:24:43.880
<v Speaker 2>of the chlorine gas is going to be tomorrow has

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<v Speaker 2>his lofts end down?

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<v Speaker 3>It sucks, It sucks. I woke up today with my

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<v Speaker 3>throat being on fire. Now. Jean was still eyeing up

0:24:56.320 --> 0:24:58.760
<v Speaker 3>an office in Washington as he couldn't run a third

0:24:58.800 --> 0:25:03.120
<v Speaker 3>consecutive term as governor, But as Gene observed just near

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<v Speaker 3>total widespread support for FDR, he got too afraid to

0:25:06.640 --> 0:25:10.640
<v Speaker 3>directly challenge the man and backed down. As a backup plan,

0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:12.960
<v Speaker 3>Jene was considering a run as George's favorite son to

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<v Speaker 3>stoke a brokered convention, but only if Roosevelt did poorly

0:25:16.320 --> 0:25:19.800
<v Speaker 3>in the primary. But Roosevelt ran completely unopposed in the

0:25:19.800 --> 0:25:23.120
<v Speaker 3>primary and basically won the presidency by default, ending Jane's

0:25:23.119 --> 0:25:28.040
<v Speaker 3>presidential ambitions. To quote Anderson here, what seemed like a

0:25:28.119 --> 0:25:31.560
<v Speaker 3>year long camouflaged chase after the presidency came to a

0:25:31.600 --> 0:25:35.960
<v Speaker 3>sputtering end. On Wednesday, June seventeenth, the State Executive Committee

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<v Speaker 3>meant to choose Roosevelt delegates for the national Convention and

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<v Speaker 3>to witness the political death of Gene Talmadge. Not to

0:25:41.680 --> 0:25:45.320
<v Speaker 3>be upstaged, the corpse came striding briskly through the lobby,

0:25:45.560 --> 0:25:49.600
<v Speaker 3>grinning broadly shaken hands and slapping backs as he moved

0:25:49.600 --> 0:25:53.119
<v Speaker 3>through the crowded lobby. One man refused to shake his hand,

0:25:53.400 --> 0:25:56.360
<v Speaker 3>saying sullenly he didn't want to meet any new acquaintances

0:25:56.359 --> 0:25:59.879
<v Speaker 3>that day. The explosive Talmage called the refusal and insult

0:26:00.000 --> 0:26:02.879
<v Speaker 3>and order the man to remove his glasses. Jean's instant

0:26:02.960 --> 0:26:06.560
<v Speaker 3>theory betrayed his real feelings over The meeting, mainly ensued

0:26:06.560 --> 0:26:10.119
<v Speaker 3>between the man and Jean's entourage, scattering people over the lobby.

0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:12.880
<v Speaker 3>Gene was pushed away from the scuffling, and it ended quickly.

0:26:13.080 --> 0:26:18.040
<v Speaker 3>Unquote that's sad. A good old, good old fashioned state

0:26:18.080 --> 0:26:20.320
<v Speaker 3>democratic fist fight. Love to see it.

0:26:20.720 --> 0:26:22.879
<v Speaker 2>We again, we need it. Like if the if the

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<v Speaker 2>VP debate last night had involved a fist fight for

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<v Speaker 2>one thing, I do think Walls would have very clearly

0:26:28.680 --> 0:26:29.080
<v Speaker 2>won that.

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<v Speaker 3>He would have want ye.

0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:32.880
<v Speaker 2>Ja d Vance obviously probably is an endurance edge. He's

0:26:32.960 --> 0:26:35.120
<v Speaker 2>much younger man. But jd Vance, there's no way he's

0:26:35.160 --> 0:26:39.960
<v Speaker 2>ever been hit in the face. He should have been anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>I I I support this.

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<v Speaker 3>We need to, we need to return now. With the

0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:47.640
<v Speaker 3>presidency beyond Jean's grasp, he decided to challenge the popular

0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:52.240
<v Speaker 3>Richard Russell for his seat in the US Senate. Meanwhile,

0:26:52.640 --> 0:26:55.639
<v Speaker 3>the long term Chalmage loyalist Hugh Howell was hoping to

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<v Speaker 3>succeed Gen as governor. Once Gan announced his run for

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<v Speaker 3>the Senate, Howell made statements in the press talking about

0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:03.480
<v Speaker 3>how he could continue Jeane's legacy and was dropping hints

0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:07.080
<v Speaker 3>for Gene to endorseh but Gene eventually broke the news

0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:10.679
<v Speaker 3>that he was instead backing his personal friend Charles RedWine,

0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:13.520
<v Speaker 3>and Howell was quite upset that Gene was unwilling to

0:27:13.560 --> 0:27:17.000
<v Speaker 3>return any political favors and was caught in a weird

0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:19.960
<v Speaker 3>place since Howell still wished to kind of remain in

0:27:20.000 --> 0:27:23.360
<v Speaker 3>the Talmadge orbit, but in doing so it was inhibiting

0:27:23.359 --> 0:27:28.000
<v Speaker 3>his progress as a politician. More on him later now.

0:27:28.440 --> 0:27:30.960
<v Speaker 3>Jane threw another one of his big like kickoff barbecue

0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:33.720
<v Speaker 3>rallies in McRae on July fourth, where he announced red

0:27:33.720 --> 0:27:36.600
<v Speaker 3>Wine for governor and his run for the Senate, unveiling

0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:40.879
<v Speaker 3>his platform to quote unquote protected Georgia, which included outlawing

0:27:40.880 --> 0:27:43.520
<v Speaker 3>a national debt, cutting the federal budget to under a

0:27:43.520 --> 0:27:46.320
<v Speaker 3>billion dollars, removing members of the cabinet who try to

0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:48.320
<v Speaker 3>change our form of government, which I think is like

0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:49.400
<v Speaker 3>an anti communist thing.

0:27:49.520 --> 0:27:51.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it may have something to do too with like

0:27:52.200 --> 0:27:53.639
<v Speaker 2>voting rights.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, yeah, yes, because that becomes a big thing

0:27:56.680 --> 0:28:01.239
<v Speaker 3>later on when the federal government was pushing for no

0:28:01.400 --> 0:28:05.679
<v Speaker 3>more white only primaries, and he also pushed for like,

0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:09.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, other like lasi faire capitalist policies. Now, Jean

0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:12.200
<v Speaker 3>finished this rally by symbolically passing the governor's torch by

0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:18.240
<v Speaker 3>gifting RedWine his own trademark red suspenders to quote andrewsand Quote,

0:28:18.560 --> 0:28:21.639
<v Speaker 3>though suspicious that Talmadge had become a living political party,

0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:24.640
<v Speaker 3>were interested to see if the voter loyalty could now

0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:29.919
<v Speaker 3>be so manipulated. Could Jean project his authority onto others unquote?

0:28:30.600 --> 0:28:33.359
<v Speaker 3>Now this is a question I've certainly had regarding like

0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:36.040
<v Speaker 3>what will happen to the Republicans in twenty twenty eight,

0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:39.280
<v Speaker 3>Like depending on how this next election goes, Like how

0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:41.760
<v Speaker 3>are they going to survive up like a post Trump party?

0:28:42.280 --> 0:28:44.720
<v Speaker 3>Will Trump be able to pass his authority onto someone

0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:47.440
<v Speaker 3>else or will they go in a completely new direction.

0:28:47.520 --> 0:28:51.320
<v Speaker 3>That's certainly been a question on my mind. Now this

0:28:51.320 --> 0:28:54.840
<v Speaker 3>this same day, State senator and KKK member Ed Rivers

0:28:55.160 --> 0:28:58.360
<v Speaker 3>announced his candidacy for governor, running on the most liberal

0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:00.840
<v Speaker 3>platform in the state's history, which he called the Little

0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:05.840
<v Speaker 3>New Deal. So despite being in some ways economically progressive

0:29:05.880 --> 0:29:08.600
<v Speaker 3>for white people, he was like all these guys just

0:29:08.720 --> 0:29:13.320
<v Speaker 3>insanely racist. Gene decided just to do one speech a

0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:16.200
<v Speaker 3>week while Russell mounted an intense statewide campaign to keep

0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:19.200
<v Speaker 3>his Senate seat away from Governor Talmach, branding Gene as

0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:21.959
<v Speaker 3>a trader to the Democratic Party for his previous like

0:29:22.360 --> 0:29:26.960
<v Speaker 3>you know racism convention and all of his appeals against FDR. Now,

0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:30.959
<v Speaker 3>this campaign was essentially Gene against both the state and

0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:34.320
<v Speaker 3>the National Democratic Parties. Jean had no campaign manager, he

0:29:34.360 --> 0:29:37.880
<v Speaker 3>had no headquarters, and was opposing both both the state

0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:40.840
<v Speaker 3>and the National Party. He was set to make a

0:29:40.840 --> 0:29:43.600
<v Speaker 3>campaign stop in Monroe, Georgia, the site of the strikes

0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:46.360
<v Speaker 3>last year that Jean suppressed with concentration camps and the

0:29:46.440 --> 0:29:50.240
<v Speaker 3>National Guard. The union workers were planning to make Gene

0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:52.000
<v Speaker 3>know just how welcome he was with a gold old

0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:55.360
<v Speaker 3>fashioned egg throw in which god we should we should

0:29:55.360 --> 0:29:58.040
<v Speaker 3>bring back now word a head.

0:29:58.280 --> 0:30:00.720
<v Speaker 2>In Australia, they've been doing it, at least they were

0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:01.720
<v Speaker 2>for a while.

0:30:02.560 --> 0:30:06.600
<v Speaker 3>Yes, there's been some in the UK as well, but

0:30:06.920 --> 0:30:10.080
<v Speaker 3>I guess like milkshaking has kind of become the new

0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:10.800
<v Speaker 3>egg throwing.

0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:13.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, I mean it did for a while. I

0:30:13.360 --> 0:30:15.720
<v Speaker 2>feel like that stopped bringing all the boys to the yard,

0:30:16.240 --> 0:30:17.360
<v Speaker 2>yeah a while ago.

0:30:17.840 --> 0:30:18.280
<v Speaker 3>Sad.

0:30:18.720 --> 0:30:19.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's tragedy.

0:30:19.880 --> 0:30:21.880
<v Speaker 3>Now, word of this made its way to made its

0:30:21.920 --> 0:30:24.560
<v Speaker 3>way to Gene and the National Guard arrived early to

0:30:24.560 --> 0:30:27.680
<v Speaker 3>secure the area. The rumor was that one hundred and

0:30:27.760 --> 0:30:30.800
<v Speaker 3>twenty five armed men came down from Atlanta, with locals

0:30:30.800 --> 0:30:35.520
<v Speaker 3>witnessing car loads of strangers arriving carrying pistols. Now, Lindley

0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:38.880
<v Speaker 3>Camp denied that the guardsmen were sent, saying that it

0:30:38.920 --> 0:30:42.840
<v Speaker 3>was actually local boys armed from the area who volunteered

0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:45.760
<v Speaker 3>to keep the peace. But the police chief claimed otherwise

0:30:45.760 --> 0:30:48.000
<v Speaker 3>and saying that they were in fact guardsmen from Atlanta.

0:30:48.040 --> 0:30:51.240
<v Speaker 3>Whatever the case. To the union workers, governor Challemage had

0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:53.600
<v Speaker 3>once again invaded their town with armed goons to do

0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:57.400
<v Speaker 3>his bidding. Like this level of like security for a

0:30:57.440 --> 0:31:00.560
<v Speaker 3>politician was uncommon for the time. It's kind of more

0:31:00.600 --> 0:31:05.040
<v Speaker 3>normalized now, but back then this was like really odd.

0:31:04.680 --> 0:31:07.479
<v Speaker 2>It is interesting the degree to which Americans had to

0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:10.360
<v Speaker 2>be taught that you could shoot your politicians. Like, we

0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:13.800
<v Speaker 2>learned that very rapidly, and then things had to change.

0:31:14.160 --> 0:31:17.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, wasn't if I remember correctly, wasn't Huey

0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:19.680
<v Speaker 3>Long Shot? I think long was shot and they might

0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:19.920
<v Speaker 3>have been.

0:31:20.320 --> 0:31:23.280
<v Speaker 2>He might have had two attempts on him, but yeah,

0:31:23.320 --> 0:31:25.200
<v Speaker 2>I think he was. I think he survived at least one.

0:31:25.240 --> 0:31:26.280
<v Speaker 2>Let's double check that though.

0:31:26.400 --> 0:31:29.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, he was. He was assassinated. Yeah, so like

0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:34.880
<v Speaker 3>and like for Jane. Because of how much this security

0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:37.320
<v Speaker 3>was uncommon for the time, it certainly did damage his

0:31:37.360 --> 0:31:41.440
<v Speaker 3>reputation as like a wanna be military dictator, although kind

0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:44.080
<v Speaker 3>of now we are very used to this type of security.

0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:47.760
<v Speaker 3>During during the Senate race, the recently promoted editor at

0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:51.080
<v Speaker 3>the Constitution, a guy named Ralph McGill who later became

0:31:51.280 --> 0:31:55.360
<v Speaker 3>a prominent anti segregationist journalist. He began writing about Jene's

0:31:55.360 --> 0:31:59.480
<v Speaker 3>relationship with John Whitley, the highway construction guy, and insinuated

0:31:59.520 --> 0:32:02.520
<v Speaker 3>some kind of ethical financial arrangement between the two regarding

0:32:02.600 --> 0:32:06.640
<v Speaker 3>highway construction contracts. Now twice that summer, John Whitley found

0:32:06.720 --> 0:32:10.120
<v Speaker 3>McGill at campaign events and brutally beat him to a

0:32:10.160 --> 0:32:12.480
<v Speaker 3>bloody pulp while threatening to kill the man if he

0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:15.880
<v Speaker 3>didn't stop writing about him, and Gene just kicking McGill

0:32:15.920 --> 0:32:18.040
<v Speaker 3>on the ground, dragging his body around in the dirt

0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:21.360
<v Speaker 3>and smashing his head into hard columns in a hotel lobby.

0:32:21.480 --> 0:32:23.479
<v Speaker 3>It was it was pretty it was pretty grisly stuff

0:32:24.600 --> 0:32:27.720
<v Speaker 3>to quote Whitley quote, I beat the lion bastard until

0:32:27.760 --> 0:32:30.440
<v Speaker 3>I got tired. I'd rest, then beat him some more

0:32:30.520 --> 0:32:33.360
<v Speaker 3>until he was bleeding good. Then I told him McGill,

0:32:33.440 --> 0:32:35.120
<v Speaker 3>next time I see you, I'm gonna have a pistol

0:32:35.120 --> 0:32:37.200
<v Speaker 3>and I'm going to kill the hell out of you quote,

0:32:38.560 --> 0:32:41.640
<v Speaker 3>which you could just it's it's good to know that, Auntie,

0:32:41.760 --> 0:32:45.480
<v Speaker 3>that anti journalist violence does does go back far.

0:32:45.680 --> 0:32:48.840
<v Speaker 2>We really, I mean, you're not really doing your job

0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:51.720
<v Speaker 2>as a journalist if if people aren't saying that kind

0:32:51.760 --> 0:32:53.080
<v Speaker 2>of thing about you occasionally.

0:32:53.680 --> 0:32:58.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Anderson writes that McGill wasn't too badly hurt in

0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:01.880
<v Speaker 3>the kerfuffles, but he was energy to quote unquote returned

0:33:01.920 --> 0:33:06.680
<v Speaker 3>to his typewriter with a vengeance unquote, which yeah, that yeah,

0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:11.040
<v Speaker 3>that makes sense, returned to his typewriter with a vengeance.

0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:16.480
<v Speaker 3>This race, Gene was kind of forced into playing political

0:33:16.520 --> 0:33:18.719
<v Speaker 3>defense for one of the first times in his career,

0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:22.280
<v Speaker 3>Russell would go would go after Jane for using racism

0:33:22.320 --> 0:33:26.040
<v Speaker 3>to distract from his otherwise empty politics, saying, when a

0:33:26.040 --> 0:33:29.040
<v Speaker 3>politician runs out of arguments, knows that in the minds

0:33:29.040 --> 0:33:32.440
<v Speaker 3>of the people, he is convicted of pure custness in

0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:34.920
<v Speaker 3>keeping the old people of Georgia from getting their pensions,

0:33:35.280 --> 0:33:38.160
<v Speaker 3>then he comes hollerin N word, N word, N word.

0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:42.440
<v Speaker 3>Gene responded by saying, quote, you hear false interpretations in

0:33:42.520 --> 0:33:44.800
<v Speaker 3>my service to you. Russell says, I go around yell

0:33:44.840 --> 0:33:48.400
<v Speaker 3>and N word. Well, I don't believe in sending Negroes

0:33:48.520 --> 0:33:51.680
<v Speaker 3>down here to rule over the white people, which he's

0:33:51.760 --> 0:33:54.080
<v Speaker 3>not really refuting what Russell is saying.

0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:54.680
<v Speaker 2>No, no, you are.

0:33:54.760 --> 0:33:58.880
<v Speaker 3>You are not killing those rumors like it's it's again,

0:33:59.040 --> 0:34:02.080
<v Speaker 3>this is everyone racist. At this time, Russell was also

0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:06.640
<v Speaker 3>a raging racist. He was a segregationist right like. He

0:34:06.760 --> 0:34:08.759
<v Speaker 3>just didn't like how Gene was kind of not very

0:34:08.800 --> 0:34:11.880
<v Speaker 3>classy about it. Jane was so like like open and

0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:15.440
<v Speaker 3>like brash. Russell was also a racist guy, but he

0:34:15.800 --> 0:34:18.359
<v Speaker 3>wanted politics to be something other than just blaming black

0:34:18.400 --> 0:34:22.040
<v Speaker 3>people for everything like that. That is where the bar

0:34:22.239 --> 0:34:26.600
<v Speaker 3>was at this point. Now in August, Senior Sonator George

0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:29.160
<v Speaker 3>Walter joined the Russell campaign in an effort to finally

0:34:29.160 --> 0:34:32.680
<v Speaker 3>beat Talmadge and the background politics he represented. By mid August,

0:34:32.760 --> 0:34:35.880
<v Speaker 3>Hugh Howell was refusing to campaign with Jean, and one

0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:38.319
<v Speaker 3>of the first to join team Talmadge, lamar Udeau from

0:34:38.400 --> 0:34:40.840
<v Speaker 3>McRae had become an advisor to Ed Rivers in the

0:34:40.880 --> 0:34:44.200
<v Speaker 3>governor's race. So Jane was bleeding support and losing allies.

0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:46.680
<v Speaker 3>Now that the two candidates agreed to some kind of

0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:50.120
<v Speaker 3>back to back speech showdown. On August twenty sixth thirty

0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:53.320
<v Speaker 3>high school girls escorted Russell onto stage in parody of

0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:59.759
<v Speaker 3>Jean's platoon of armed guards. Anderson writes, quote, Russell thought

0:34:59.800 --> 0:35:02.839
<v Speaker 3>he already saw the tide turning when farmers began taking

0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:06.440
<v Speaker 3>off their red suspenders at his speeches and symbolically laying

0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:11.400
<v Speaker 3>them at his feet. Unquote, Russell addressed Talmage as old

0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:15.400
<v Speaker 3>Republican gene and this is where we start to really

0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:18.440
<v Speaker 3>see like this is the beginning of the Southern Democratic

0:35:18.440 --> 0:35:23.879
<v Speaker 3>Party stopping being Democrats, right like like FDR's forced liberalization,

0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:27.319
<v Speaker 3>and people like Talmage, these kind of old demagogues who

0:35:27.560 --> 0:35:31.359
<v Speaker 3>are like Democratic Party men are becoming more like the

0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:35.520
<v Speaker 3>northern conservative Republicans. So like, I think Eugene Talent, which

0:35:35.560 --> 0:35:37.080
<v Speaker 3>is kind of like the is one of the last

0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:40.399
<v Speaker 3>of these like real like southern Democrats, and a lot

0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:44.840
<v Speaker 3>of his politics very clearly paved the way for the

0:35:44.880 --> 0:35:48.400
<v Speaker 3>Democratic Party to kind of split away and do this

0:35:48.480 --> 0:35:51.719
<v Speaker 3>like kind of fabled like swap right where most of

0:35:51.760 --> 0:35:54.160
<v Speaker 3>these kind of supporters would would later in like ten

0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:57.920
<v Speaker 3>twenty years be voting Republican even though they forever had

0:35:57.960 --> 0:35:59.680
<v Speaker 3>always been had always been Democrats.

0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:03.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yep, I mean this is this is the beginning

0:36:03.760 --> 0:36:06.919
<v Speaker 2>of I don't know if it's the end, but it's

0:36:06.960 --> 0:36:09.759
<v Speaker 2>the beginning of our current hell right, this is where

0:36:09.800 --> 0:36:12.840
<v Speaker 2>it all starts, and it all starts because people were like,

0:36:13.400 --> 0:36:16.279
<v Speaker 2>what if black folks got to enjoy some of the

0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:21.799
<v Speaker 2>benefits of the social safety net that we're constructing in

0:36:21.840 --> 0:36:27.319
<v Speaker 2>this country Old Republican Gene yep. So Russell came with

0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:29.600
<v Speaker 2>a list of questions that he demanded Gene answer when

0:36:29.640 --> 0:36:32.080
<v Speaker 2>it was his turn to take the stage. Base They

0:36:32.080 --> 0:36:34.120
<v Speaker 2>were mostly about like how his programs would actually help

0:36:34.120 --> 0:36:35.920
<v Speaker 2>people and how he would get money to help farmers

0:36:36.239 --> 0:36:39.760
<v Speaker 2>with his ultra conservative economic plans. But upon taking the stage,

0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:43.319
<v Speaker 2>Gene immediately discarded these questions, saying, quote, it would take

0:36:43.320 --> 0:36:47.799
<v Speaker 2>a Philadelphia lawyer all day to answer them quote, which

0:36:47.880 --> 0:36:51.520
<v Speaker 2>I think is an amusing old timing remark. Now, the

0:36:51.600 --> 0:36:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Russell staff took this day as a victory for their candidate,

0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:59.040
<v Speaker 2>and Gene later actually agreed. On the second to last

0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:01.680
<v Speaker 2>day of the race, a massive fistfight broke out at

0:37:01.719 --> 0:37:04.719
<v Speaker 2>his rally in Dalton, Georgia. From the podium, Gene tried

0:37:04.719 --> 0:37:06.960
<v Speaker 2>to stop people from breaking up the fight, saying, don't

0:37:06.960 --> 0:37:09.160
<v Speaker 2>pay any attention to them. The Talmadge boys can whip them,

0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:11.880
<v Speaker 2>let them fight it out. About half their crowd was

0:37:11.920 --> 0:37:14.120
<v Speaker 2>listening to Gene's speech, the other half were in this

0:37:14.239 --> 0:37:17.960
<v Speaker 2>ongoing brawl. The local deputy sheriff was severely beaten by

0:37:18.000 --> 0:37:21.360
<v Speaker 2>five of Jean's National guardsmen and then had all of

0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:24.680
<v Speaker 2>them arrested. We really loved to see cop On caught violence.

0:37:25.440 --> 0:37:27.560
<v Speaker 2>At the end of his speech, the open melee was

0:37:27.640 --> 0:37:32.160
<v Speaker 2>still raging on, and Governor Talmadge quickly left town. Come

0:37:32.200 --> 0:37:36.520
<v Speaker 2>election day, Gene lost in a massive landslide, one of

0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:39.720
<v Speaker 2>the biggest in the state's history. Jean carried only sixteen

0:37:39.719 --> 0:37:42.680
<v Speaker 2>counties to Russell's one hundred and forty three and was

0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:46.040
<v Speaker 2>beat two to one in the popular vote. The governor's

0:37:46.120 --> 0:37:49.240
<v Speaker 2>race had very similar results, with the New Deal candidate

0:37:49.360 --> 0:37:52.680
<v Speaker 2>Ed Rivers beating Talmadge Stooge red Wine by over one

0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:56.839
<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand votes. Longtime Talmage man Tom Linder lost his

0:37:56.960 --> 0:38:01.080
<v Speaker 2>race for Agricultural Commissioner, and George Hamilton the Treasurer, got

0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:04.400
<v Speaker 2>his revenge by just utterly destroying Toby Daniel in the

0:38:04.400 --> 0:38:07.719
<v Speaker 2>election that Daniel even lost his street that he lived

0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:12.280
<v Speaker 2>on in Lagrange, according to William Anderson. To quote Anderson,

0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:15.640
<v Speaker 2>it had come to be said that Gene Talmadge had

0:38:15.640 --> 0:38:19.240
<v Speaker 2>a guaranteed vote of one hundred thousand, and that statement

0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:22.920
<v Speaker 2>rang true to one hundred thousand Georgians. Gene Talmadge was

0:38:22.960 --> 0:38:27.080
<v Speaker 2>almost a deity. His hold was hypnotic and unshakable on

0:38:27.120 --> 0:38:30.719
<v Speaker 2>this core constituency. But while his stand against the New

0:38:30.760 --> 0:38:32.919
<v Speaker 2>Deal did not affect the vote of his own constituency,

0:38:33.280 --> 0:38:35.440
<v Speaker 2>it lost the election because of the fact that it

0:38:35.520 --> 0:38:39.359
<v Speaker 2>had on the swing vote, though the bifactional electorate either

0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:43.080
<v Speaker 2>for or against Gene seemed stronger than ever in undecided

0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:46.279
<v Speaker 2>one hundred thousand or so votes, swung the election. This

0:38:46.400 --> 0:38:49.799
<v Speaker 2>swing group was not polarized for or against Gene, and

0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:52.160
<v Speaker 2>these voters cannot be placed in a particular group that

0:38:52.200 --> 0:38:55.120
<v Speaker 2>had a predictable behavior. Most of them were simply convinced

0:38:55.160 --> 0:38:57.439
<v Speaker 2>that the new deal was helping them more than herding them.

0:38:58.000 --> 0:39:00.560
<v Speaker 2>Another influential factor was the high voter turnout to the

0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:04.160
<v Speaker 2>largest in Georgious history. Jane drew from a hardcore group,

0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:06.960
<v Speaker 2>and the numbers did not sluctuate much above one hundred

0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:10.160
<v Speaker 2>and forty thousand. The wealthy and the very poor had

0:39:10.160 --> 0:39:12.920
<v Speaker 2>once again combined for Gene, but he had lost the

0:39:12.960 --> 0:39:15.400
<v Speaker 2>labor vote, which was growing, and also much of the

0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:19.240
<v Speaker 2>middle class unquote. I find this kind of political breakdown

0:39:19.280 --> 0:39:22.959
<v Speaker 2>to be quite interesting both how even still we find

0:39:23.000 --> 0:39:25.799
<v Speaker 2>conservatives are able to get both the ultra wealthy and

0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:29.800
<v Speaker 2>the ultra poor to vote for them in a counterintuitive way,

0:39:31.040 --> 0:39:34.320
<v Speaker 2>and how Gene had this like very hardcore group of

0:39:34.360 --> 0:39:36.799
<v Speaker 2>supporters that viewed him as like a god and would

0:39:36.880 --> 0:39:41.439
<v Speaker 2>vote for him regardless of like anything. But he did

0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:45.640
<v Speaker 2>lose in the swing vote. Now, as for the governor's race,

0:39:46.560 --> 0:39:49.600
<v Speaker 2>Gene was able to pass off his hardcore supporters to

0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:52.120
<v Speaker 2>red Wine, getting over one hundred and twenty thousand of

0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:55.239
<v Speaker 2>these votes, but he completely failed to attract any of

0:39:55.280 --> 0:39:58.520
<v Speaker 2>the one hundred thousand anti Talented voters and was unable

0:39:58.560 --> 0:40:01.200
<v Speaker 2>to move any of the importan swing voters to red

0:40:01.200 --> 0:40:05.520
<v Speaker 2>Wine on his anti New Deal Talmadge inspired platform. Jean's

0:40:05.520 --> 0:40:08.279
<v Speaker 2>grip on the state Democratic Party was slipping, and he

0:40:08.280 --> 0:40:12.200
<v Speaker 2>had begun to lose to the New Deal. So, for

0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:14.919
<v Speaker 2>the first time in over ten years, in nineteen thirty seven,

0:40:15.080 --> 0:40:17.439
<v Speaker 2>Jean was out of a government job. He now spent

0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:20.320
<v Speaker 2>his time building his cattle herd, doing little speaking engagements,

0:40:20.400 --> 0:40:22.920
<v Speaker 2>and using his newspaper The Statesman to project his message

0:40:22.960 --> 0:40:26.839
<v Speaker 2>across Georgia. As he planned his next move, his eyes

0:40:26.840 --> 0:40:28.840
<v Speaker 2>were still set on the Senate, but this time on

0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:33.520
<v Speaker 2>the even more respected Senior Senator Walter George Anderson writes,

0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:37.360
<v Speaker 2>those who questioned Jane's good judgment in thirty six questioned

0:40:37.360 --> 0:40:42.360
<v Speaker 2>his sanity in nineteen thirty eight. Basically, George was like

0:40:42.520 --> 0:40:50.160
<v Speaker 2>the archetypal respected elder statesman. Going against him was like crazy. Luckily,

0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Jean brought his twenty five year old son, Hermann Talmadge

0:40:53.440 --> 0:40:56.000
<v Speaker 2>to serve as campaign manager, who actually did grow to

0:40:56.040 --> 0:41:00.319
<v Speaker 2>be a pretty good political navigator. His new nineteen thirty

0:41:00.320 --> 0:41:03.319
<v Speaker 2>eight platform differed from his previous bouts against the New Deal.

0:41:03.760 --> 0:41:07.120
<v Speaker 2>Instead of using vague nostalgic rhetoric pointing towards the old ways,

0:41:07.520 --> 0:41:09.880
<v Speaker 2>this time Jeane sought to address the consequences of the

0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:12.560
<v Speaker 2>New Deal as he saw them, attack the new big institutions,

0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:15.840
<v Speaker 2>and uplift the little guy. He called for a migration

0:41:15.960 --> 0:41:18.600
<v Speaker 2>back to farms and promised to stop a government waste

0:41:18.600 --> 0:41:21.520
<v Speaker 2>by using fedral relief money to buy land to give

0:41:21.560 --> 0:41:24.360
<v Speaker 2>to citizens willing to farm it, and to convert the

0:41:24.400 --> 0:41:28.600
<v Speaker 2>civilian conservation camps into vocational education campuses to provide a

0:41:28.600 --> 0:41:33.000
<v Speaker 2>practical job oriented training in contrast to the frivolous liberal universities,

0:41:33.719 --> 0:41:39.600
<v Speaker 2>another conservative mainstay. His campaign speeches this year were described

0:41:39.640 --> 0:41:44.799
<v Speaker 2>as like increasingly protectionist, isolationist, nationalist, and much more populist.

0:41:45.400 --> 0:41:49.120
<v Speaker 2>We're getting closer to the full breakout of World War two,

0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:53.759
<v Speaker 2>and Gene was pretty pretty firmly like an isolationist and

0:41:53.880 --> 0:41:56.160
<v Speaker 2>a nationalist. Yeah, I'm not surprised to hear that.

0:41:57.560 --> 0:42:04.440
<v Speaker 4>I mean, yep, yeah, it is entirely unsurprising. Yeah to town,

0:42:04.440 --> 0:42:07.000
<v Speaker 4>which tried to frame Senator George as a trader to

0:42:07.040 --> 0:42:11.799
<v Speaker 4>small farmers, particularly because of his support of coconut milk.

0:42:12.200 --> 0:42:14.520
<v Speaker 4>That was one of the main ways he attacked George

0:42:14.560 --> 0:42:19.799
<v Speaker 4>as betraying as betraying US dairy farmers. Now Gene wasn't

0:42:19.800 --> 0:42:24.160
<v Speaker 4>the only guy targeting Senator George, though. FDR was increasingly

0:42:24.200 --> 0:42:26.839
<v Speaker 4>beefing with the southern wing of the party, and by

0:42:26.880 --> 0:42:30.000
<v Speaker 4>the late nineteen thirties he sought to unseat some of

0:42:30.040 --> 0:42:32.880
<v Speaker 4>the old Guard from the Senate that were inhibiting progress.

0:42:33.440 --> 0:42:36.160
<v Speaker 4>Senator George was a particularly influential member of this group,

0:42:36.320 --> 0:42:40.400
<v Speaker 4>and so FDR targeted him for removal. Not many Georgia

0:42:40.400 --> 0:42:43.319
<v Speaker 4>Democrats wanted to go up against the popular Senator, but

0:42:43.440 --> 0:42:46.359
<v Speaker 4>the Roosevelt Dems finally settled on a Russell's nineteen thirty

0:42:46.360 --> 0:42:49.479
<v Speaker 4>four campaign manager, a man named Lawrence Camp, to take

0:42:49.560 --> 0:42:54.920
<v Speaker 4>on George. FDR made this really confusing public appearance with

0:42:55.040 --> 0:42:59.640
<v Speaker 4>Senator George in early August, where Roosevelt delivered a quite

0:42:59.719 --> 0:43:03.520
<v Speaker 4>polite attack on his personal friend George, calling him a

0:43:03.560 --> 0:43:07.920
<v Speaker 4>fake liberal and dismissed Talmage as no kind of real concern,

0:43:08.320 --> 0:43:10.120
<v Speaker 4>and then endorsed Lawrence Camp.

0:43:12.000 --> 0:43:14.000
<v Speaker 2>FDR, we don't make him like that anymore.

0:43:14.400 --> 0:43:18.680
<v Speaker 3>No you invite your friend to like a campaign event,

0:43:18.719 --> 0:43:20.200
<v Speaker 3>and then you just suspended the day.

0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:23.279
<v Speaker 2>Attacked shit talk him, just just rat fuck him.

0:43:24.000 --> 0:43:25.760
<v Speaker 3>He's really good.

0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:29.520
<v Speaker 2>FDR was maybe our most effective rat fucker president. He

0:43:29.880 --> 0:43:31.479
<v Speaker 2>really knew how to rat a man.

0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:33.439
<v Speaker 3>He didn't care. He don't care.

0:43:34.360 --> 0:43:37.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, that's the benefit of dying of polio is

0:43:37.960 --> 0:43:39.840
<v Speaker 2>you don't give a round fuck.

0:43:40.239 --> 0:43:45.560
<v Speaker 3>Like Gane tried to reprogize this speech to discredit George

0:43:46.040 --> 0:43:48.840
<v Speaker 3>and brushed aside Camp as like a coattail writer and

0:43:48.880 --> 0:43:52.520
<v Speaker 3>an un serious candidate. Now Roosevelt try to just We're

0:43:52.560 --> 0:43:56.680
<v Speaker 3>worried that his campaign against George might give Talmage the election,

0:43:57.440 --> 0:44:00.759
<v Speaker 3>but that outcome didn't really concern FDR. He thought that

0:44:00.800 --> 0:44:03.640
<v Speaker 3>even if Talmadge got in the Senate, Jen would just

0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:06.280
<v Speaker 3>make a fool out of himself. The problem with George

0:44:06.719 --> 0:44:09.200
<v Speaker 3>was that he was influential. If he went a certain way,

0:44:09.239 --> 0:44:11.840
<v Speaker 3>forty other senators would follow suit. Tal Imridge, on the

0:44:11.880 --> 0:44:14.560
<v Speaker 3>other hand, was unlikely to attract followers in the Senate,

0:44:15.080 --> 0:44:17.399
<v Speaker 3>and Jane was quite happy with what he saw as

0:44:17.480 --> 0:44:20.279
<v Speaker 3>liberal infighting and became even more certain that it would

0:44:20.320 --> 0:44:22.520
<v Speaker 3>lead to his victory in the county unit vote. With

0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:25.879
<v Speaker 3>the liberal vote being split now three ways, as long

0:44:25.880 --> 0:44:28.879
<v Speaker 3>as his hardcore of one hundred thousand supporters went out

0:44:28.880 --> 0:44:30.880
<v Speaker 3>to vote, he saw no way for him to lose.

0:44:31.200 --> 0:44:33.359
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to quote from Anderson here on this kind

0:44:33.360 --> 0:44:37.120
<v Speaker 3>of anecdote about what the southern voter was thinking about

0:44:37.160 --> 0:44:40.160
<v Speaker 3>going into the nineteen thirty eight election. Quote one old

0:44:40.200 --> 0:44:43.239
<v Speaker 3>offensive sitter in Warm Springs told a reporter he was

0:44:43.320 --> 0:44:47.360
<v Speaker 3>voting for Senator Talmadge, Governor Rivers, and President Roosevelt. Quote

0:44:47.560 --> 0:44:50.759
<v Speaker 3>Talmidg is promising forty acres of land, Rivers promises to

0:44:50.800 --> 0:44:53.759
<v Speaker 3>exempt it from taxation, and Roosevelt will rent it from us.

0:44:53.960 --> 0:44:55.400
<v Speaker 3>Why not vote for all of them and sit on

0:44:55.440 --> 0:44:58.719
<v Speaker 3>the porch and collect a steady income unquote. Okay, so

0:44:59.320 --> 0:45:02.840
<v Speaker 3>they voting very It's like they're totally fine voting for

0:45:02.840 --> 0:45:07.160
<v Speaker 3>conservative talentage and progressive FDR. Like that's that's totally fine,

0:45:07.640 --> 0:45:09.800
<v Speaker 3>And the policies can actually work in conjunction just to

0:45:10.239 --> 0:45:15.120
<v Speaker 3>help these like guys eating up all the slant. Do

0:45:15.160 --> 0:45:16.560
<v Speaker 3>you know what I enjoy eating up?

0:45:16.680 --> 0:45:21.520
<v Speaker 2>Robert well Garrison, I've i've i've I've heard some rumors,

0:45:22.040 --> 0:45:22.960
<v Speaker 2>but I don't like that.

0:45:23.400 --> 0:45:32.280
<v Speaker 3>I don't like that absolutely not. Jesus Christ.

0:45:32.520 --> 0:45:35.640
<v Speaker 1>Remember remember that meal we had during the DNC where

0:45:35.800 --> 0:45:38.320
<v Speaker 1>there was a literal metal screw in your food?

0:45:39.239 --> 0:45:40.239
<v Speaker 3>I remember that?

0:45:40.560 --> 0:45:44.160
<v Speaker 2>Yes? Do you remember that riot where afterwards I got

0:45:44.200 --> 0:45:47.000
<v Speaker 2>us like two hundred dollars worth of Popeyes because we

0:45:47.000 --> 0:45:48.200
<v Speaker 2>were all so depressed.

0:45:48.680 --> 0:45:52.080
<v Speaker 3>I think it happened a few times. We had a

0:45:52.120 --> 0:45:54.799
<v Speaker 3>lot of really late night Chinese food and a lot

0:45:54.800 --> 0:46:00.640
<v Speaker 3>of Top Eyes. Oh, the good old days, the good old.

0:46:00.560 --> 0:46:03.600
<v Speaker 1>Turber Gears likes to eat foods with literal meneral screws

0:46:03.640 --> 0:46:05.480
<v Speaker 1>in them, and Popeyes got it.

0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:08.440
<v Speaker 3>And of course these products and services.

0:46:08.560 --> 0:46:11.360
<v Speaker 2>We drinks over that screw. That was great.

0:46:11.680 --> 0:46:13.480
<v Speaker 3>We did get a lot of free drinks over that screw.

0:46:14.080 --> 0:46:19.320
<v Speaker 3>They were really really worrying. Someone was like attacking, attacking

0:46:19.360 --> 0:46:29.200
<v Speaker 3>these DNC journalists. Oh God, okay, we are so back.

0:46:30.200 --> 0:46:34.319
<v Speaker 3>Come election day, early results gave Talmadge a small lead.

0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:40.280
<v Speaker 3>Stop the count, Stop the count, But Jean Jean's initial

0:46:40.320 --> 0:46:46.359
<v Speaker 3>celebration was premature because the next day after after election Day,

0:46:46.680 --> 0:46:50.279
<v Speaker 3>it was clear that Walter George actually beat Jeane by

0:46:50.320 --> 0:46:54.719
<v Speaker 3>forty thousand votes. Urban migration was affecting Jean's ability to

0:46:54.760 --> 0:46:58.000
<v Speaker 3>win elections. Some of the county races were quite close,

0:46:58.280 --> 0:47:00.160
<v Speaker 3>and a difference of just over two hundred vot in

0:47:00.200 --> 0:47:03.359
<v Speaker 3>certain counties would have given Talmage the election under the

0:47:03.400 --> 0:47:06.759
<v Speaker 3>county unit system, but Gene wasn't going to back down

0:47:06.760 --> 0:47:09.880
<v Speaker 3>this time. He refused to concede the election and announced

0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:13.600
<v Speaker 3>he would contest the vote. Stop this deal, Gene filed

0:47:13.600 --> 0:47:16.720
<v Speaker 3>complaints with the Democratic Committee in thirty four counties, claiming

0:47:16.760 --> 0:47:19.800
<v Speaker 3>a recount would qute unquote clearly give me the election

0:47:21.040 --> 0:47:24.640
<v Speaker 3>to quote Anderson. The Talmage office had been literally flooded

0:47:24.640 --> 0:47:28.680
<v Speaker 3>with phone calls and letters complaining of voting irregularities. Many

0:47:28.680 --> 0:47:32.759
<v Speaker 3>were sworn affidavits. People claimed that dead people, children, and

0:47:32.880 --> 0:47:36.839
<v Speaker 3>non residents had voted for George, payoffs, had payoffs had

0:47:36.880 --> 0:47:41.680
<v Speaker 3>been made, counting falsified, and ballots pre marked unquote. Time

0:47:41.800 --> 0:47:42.800
<v Speaker 3>is a flat circle.

0:47:43.200 --> 0:47:48.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, so nothing does change?

0:47:48.440 --> 0:47:52.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, absolutely not. As a backup plan, Gene hatched

0:47:52.680 --> 0:47:56.400
<v Speaker 3>another scheme to overrule the county unit election by making

0:47:56.600 --> 0:47:59.719
<v Speaker 3>enough of a big fuss over the recounts and voting irregularities.

0:48:00.040 --> 0:48:02.759
<v Speaker 3>Jene hopes to pressure the domnatorial candidates, Hugh Howell and

0:48:02.960 --> 0:48:06.680
<v Speaker 3>Ed Rivers into having their delegates name Talmadge Senator at

0:48:06.719 --> 0:48:09.839
<v Speaker 3>the October convention using this little piece of party law.

0:48:10.920 --> 0:48:13.480
<v Speaker 3>This was an odd strategy, considering that Gene was not

0:48:13.480 --> 0:48:16.400
<v Speaker 3>currently in the good graces of either man, but he

0:48:16.560 --> 0:48:19.560
<v Speaker 3>was getting desperate, and when it became clear that crucial

0:48:19.600 --> 0:48:22.880
<v Speaker 3>counties were going to reject his complaints, Jen began sending

0:48:22.960 --> 0:48:25.960
<v Speaker 3>letters to friends in the counties asking for assistance. One

0:48:26.000 --> 0:48:29.160
<v Speaker 3>such letter read, get all the evidence of regularities in

0:48:29.160 --> 0:48:31.279
<v Speaker 3>the election that you can. If you can get any

0:48:31.320 --> 0:48:34.280
<v Speaker 3>evidence of money being used, get this in AFFI David form.

0:48:34.640 --> 0:48:36.680
<v Speaker 3>We will then appeal it to the convention in Macon

0:48:36.960 --> 0:48:42.120
<v Speaker 3>on October fifth. Now, the counties did not like having

0:48:42.239 --> 0:48:47.520
<v Speaker 3>their elections questioned. Gene's accusations of misconduct were near unanimously rejected,

0:48:47.920 --> 0:48:50.480
<v Speaker 3>and counties billed him for the trouble. At he cost,

0:48:51.000 --> 0:48:53.160
<v Speaker 3>which is also a good thing. We don't see as

0:48:53.239 --> 0:48:55.200
<v Speaker 3>much anymore, being like you made us do all this

0:48:55.280 --> 0:48:59.120
<v Speaker 3>extra work here, We'll just send you a bill. His

0:48:59.239 --> 0:49:03.000
<v Speaker 3>appeal to the State Executive Committee was also rejected in

0:49:03.080 --> 0:49:06.520
<v Speaker 3>a sixty one to four vote. Gene responded to the

0:49:06.600 --> 0:49:09.680
<v Speaker 3>ruling by saying, the very resistance of the State Executive

0:49:09.719 --> 0:49:16.920
<v Speaker 3>Committee to recount bears out our contentions that something was wrong. Sure, sure, buddy,

0:49:17.080 --> 0:49:21.840
<v Speaker 3>of course. Yeah. As his grasps for power continued to fail,

0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:26.120
<v Speaker 3>Jean became increasingly angry and desperate. He called on his

0:49:26.160 --> 0:49:29.640
<v Speaker 3>supporters to march on the Macon Convention to demand that

0:49:29.760 --> 0:49:34.920
<v Speaker 3>Jane's accusations be heard. He tried to planet Jasis.

0:49:36.520 --> 0:49:39.839
<v Speaker 2>Man, Really, there is nothing new under the sun. I mean,

0:49:39.880 --> 0:49:42.000
<v Speaker 2>one of the heartbreakers here is I had thought Trump

0:49:42.080 --> 0:49:44.560
<v Speaker 2>was a little more original than he really is. And

0:49:45.520 --> 0:49:47.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, it just hate. It sucks when you find

0:49:47.680 --> 0:49:50.040
<v Speaker 2>out your heroes are aren't Robert Robert.

0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:51.760
<v Speaker 3>You know that just hurts.

0:49:51.760 --> 0:49:53.040
<v Speaker 2>It hurts.

0:49:53.440 --> 0:49:56.880
<v Speaker 3>The night before the convention, some friends of Jean staged

0:49:56.920 --> 0:50:00.160
<v Speaker 3>an intervention in his hotel, begging him to a admit

0:50:00.280 --> 0:50:05.680
<v Speaker 3>that he lost. But wow, how the times a fucking changed.

0:50:06.440 --> 0:50:11.400
<v Speaker 3>But supporters crashed the intervention to convince Jane to keep fighting,

0:50:11.520 --> 0:50:15.359
<v Speaker 3>which he did. He immediately doubled down. He sent Tom

0:50:15.440 --> 0:50:18.239
<v Speaker 3>Linder to tell Hugh Howell that if he released his

0:50:18.320 --> 0:50:20.920
<v Speaker 3>delegates to Gene, Gene would help him win the nineteen

0:50:21.000 --> 0:50:24.279
<v Speaker 3>forty governor's race. Now, Howell was still mad that Jean

0:50:24.360 --> 0:50:26.520
<v Speaker 3>had turned his back on him in the last election,

0:50:27.000 --> 0:50:30.319
<v Speaker 3>and it was now Howell that refused to help Jeane.

0:50:30.400 --> 0:50:33.480
<v Speaker 3>The convention came, Gene and his cronies were going around

0:50:33.600 --> 0:50:36.800
<v Speaker 3>trying to course a roll call decision on Jeene's election denial.

0:50:37.400 --> 0:50:40.000
<v Speaker 3>Governor Ed Rivers actually allowed this to happen, confident that

0:50:40.000 --> 0:50:43.440
<v Speaker 3>the result would serve Gene one final humiliation, and he

0:50:43.640 --> 0:50:46.600
<v Speaker 3>was correct. Jane's call for a reconsideration of the vote

0:50:46.719 --> 0:50:49.719
<v Speaker 3>was firmly shut down. Jane went into a tantrum, telling

0:50:49.719 --> 0:50:52.080
<v Speaker 3>supporters that it was Hugh Howell's fault that they had

0:50:52.080 --> 0:50:55.040
<v Speaker 3>failed at the convention, saying, quote, we had stacks of

0:50:55.040 --> 0:50:57.239
<v Speaker 3>evidence at the making convention, but they refused to even

0:50:57.320 --> 0:50:59.920
<v Speaker 3>look at it. The great trouble there was that Hugh

0:51:00.080 --> 0:51:02.880
<v Speaker 3>Powell sold out the talent which people and appoint and

0:51:02.960 --> 0:51:07.319
<v Speaker 3>appointed George men as delegates unquote again just flat circle shit.

0:51:07.360 --> 0:51:09.320
<v Speaker 3>We had, we had all, we had, all this evidence.

0:51:09.600 --> 0:51:12.399
<v Speaker 3>They refused to look at it. It's been stolen, et cetera,

0:51:12.440 --> 0:51:17.279
<v Speaker 3>et cetera. Basically, what happened here was that Jean's disinterest

0:51:17.440 --> 0:51:21.239
<v Speaker 3>and periodic disrespect of the machinery of party politics, as

0:51:21.280 --> 0:51:24.439
<v Speaker 3>well as like state and county power structures, finally began

0:51:24.480 --> 0:51:27.120
<v Speaker 3>to damage him. Politically, what once helped to get him

0:51:27.120 --> 0:51:30.520
<v Speaker 3>into power was now self sabotaging his ability to hold

0:51:30.640 --> 0:51:35.719
<v Speaker 3>onto power and effectively navigate party politics. So after his

0:51:35.800 --> 0:51:39.640
<v Speaker 3>second Senate defeat in a row, Jean wished to return

0:51:39.680 --> 0:51:43.520
<v Speaker 3>to his comfort zone and retake the governor's office in

0:51:43.680 --> 0:51:46.440
<v Speaker 3>nineteen thirty nine. Gene kept relatively low profile, but he

0:51:46.440 --> 0:51:48.600
<v Speaker 3>would still travel around the state to speak at local

0:51:48.640 --> 0:51:52.160
<v Speaker 3>clubs and organizations, nothing too notable, but ensured that he

0:51:52.239 --> 0:51:54.879
<v Speaker 3>remained a presence to his core base at like rural

0:51:54.880 --> 0:51:58.640
<v Speaker 3>barbecues and church socials. Meanwhile, a loose organization of Jeane's

0:51:58.640 --> 0:52:02.160
<v Speaker 3>political allies spent the year quietly lobbying courthouse gangs and

0:52:02.280 --> 0:52:06.000
<v Speaker 3>promoting Jane as governor across the state. Ed Rivers couldn't

0:52:06.000 --> 0:52:09.920
<v Speaker 3>seek reelection, so Jane's biggest competition was his friend turned rival,

0:52:10.000 --> 0:52:12.480
<v Speaker 3>Hugh Howell, who tried to run for a third time.

0:52:13.160 --> 0:52:15.720
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to quot from Anderson again quote. A number

0:52:15.760 --> 0:52:18.560
<v Speaker 3>of factors made the return of Talmage possible. One was

0:52:18.560 --> 0:52:20.759
<v Speaker 3>the scandalous debts run up by Rivers the state was

0:52:20.760 --> 0:52:24.040
<v Speaker 3>almost bankrupt. Another was the shadow of a world war

0:52:24.360 --> 0:52:28.120
<v Speaker 3>and the anxieties that fear produced a crisis was created.

0:52:28.200 --> 0:52:30.440
<v Speaker 3>There was a need for strength, a desire for the

0:52:30.480 --> 0:52:34.320
<v Speaker 3>simple solution in a complex and confusing world. A future

0:52:34.320 --> 0:52:37.400
<v Speaker 3>that no one wanted made the past a psychological crutch.

0:52:37.840 --> 0:52:41.200
<v Speaker 3>Gene Talmadge, the iron man of action, would once again

0:52:41.440 --> 0:52:43.680
<v Speaker 3>ride on to the political stage to save the day.

0:52:44.000 --> 0:52:46.040
<v Speaker 3>He saw no way he could lose. He had in

0:52:46.080 --> 0:52:49.440
<v Speaker 3>two elections been recognized as a man disjointed from the times.

0:52:50.000 --> 0:52:52.760
<v Speaker 3>That fact that had been his strength in earlier races

0:52:53.120 --> 0:52:57.080
<v Speaker 3>but became his weakness, now again would be his strength.

0:52:57.760 --> 0:53:00.440
<v Speaker 3>Unsettled times had thrown the people out of sea depth.

0:53:00.520 --> 0:53:03.080
<v Speaker 3>With war threatening, they began to look for that well

0:53:03.160 --> 0:53:06.400
<v Speaker 3>worn path. They dug back in their past and found

0:53:06.400 --> 0:53:10.040
<v Speaker 3>the certainty they had been seeking. Old Gene. He was

0:53:10.080 --> 0:53:12.719
<v Speaker 3>their crutch in a way, only this time it was

0:53:12.840 --> 0:53:16.680
<v Speaker 3>war and needless bankruptcy that demanded an aura of toughness.

0:53:17.880 --> 0:53:19.440
<v Speaker 3>Now I find this quote to be one of the

0:53:19.480 --> 0:53:25.040
<v Speaker 3>more like unsettling in how it kind of shows how

0:53:25.080 --> 0:53:29.359
<v Speaker 3>the backwardness can like flip flop, like how things that

0:53:29.400 --> 0:53:32.120
<v Speaker 3>are your strength can become your weakness, and then as

0:53:32.200 --> 0:53:35.000
<v Speaker 3>times get tougher, that can be your strength again. And

0:53:35.040 --> 0:53:37.960
<v Speaker 3>considering the current economic situation, in this country as well

0:53:38.000 --> 0:53:41.600
<v Speaker 3>as raging wars in the Middle East. It does not

0:53:41.719 --> 0:53:43.040
<v Speaker 3>leave me with tons of comfort.

0:53:43.719 --> 0:53:49.320
<v Speaker 2>No, I mean, if you're reading history right, it never should. Yeah,

0:53:49.360 --> 0:53:54.760
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, that is a particularly because you're never safe

0:53:55.000 --> 0:53:58.560
<v Speaker 2>in a democracy, right. The upside is you have a

0:53:58.600 --> 0:54:02.160
<v Speaker 2>degree of agency over the political system, but you are

0:54:02.200 --> 0:54:05.680
<v Speaker 2>always waiting for the worm to turn in such a

0:54:05.719 --> 0:54:07.920
<v Speaker 2>way that the very worst people are empowered and it

0:54:07.960 --> 0:54:12.239
<v Speaker 2>will always happen. Yeah, never, there's no getting away from it, Like,

0:54:12.320 --> 0:54:15.799
<v Speaker 2>there's no Somebody made a post on the subburn at

0:54:15.800 --> 0:54:17.520
<v Speaker 2>the other day where they were like, is it just

0:54:17.840 --> 0:54:20.600
<v Speaker 2>are we just going to every four years be worried

0:54:20.640 --> 0:54:24.720
<v Speaker 2>about becoming a dictatorship? And like, yeah, bro it feels

0:54:24.719 --> 0:54:27.560
<v Speaker 2>so to homie, that's how that's that's how it is.

0:54:29.800 --> 0:54:33.480
<v Speaker 3>Speak speaking of dictator some of Jeene's advisors wanted him

0:54:33.480 --> 0:54:36.480
<v Speaker 3>to give his opening campaign speech from above the crowd

0:54:36.520 --> 0:54:39.759
<v Speaker 3>through his office window in Atlanta, but Jean thought this

0:54:39.760 --> 0:54:41.799
<v Speaker 3>would make him look too much like Mussolini.

0:54:43.560 --> 0:54:45.240
<v Speaker 2>You can, really it says a lot about the period

0:54:45.280 --> 0:54:47.000
<v Speaker 2>of time that that was no longer a good thing

0:54:47.080 --> 0:54:49.560
<v Speaker 2>because there was. Yeah, there were several years where they

0:54:49.560 --> 0:54:51.200
<v Speaker 2>would have been like you should do it. It'll make

0:54:51.239 --> 0:54:52.440
<v Speaker 2>you look like Mussolini.

0:54:52.840 --> 0:54:58.560
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, I mean you're like in nineteen forty now late,

0:54:58.880 --> 0:55:03.440
<v Speaker 3>it's become a little cool date Like Jane likes Mussolidi.

0:55:04.560 --> 0:55:06.279
<v Speaker 3>She just knows that it's not going to play well

0:55:06.360 --> 0:55:07.160
<v Speaker 3>in this moment.

0:55:08.200 --> 0:55:12.160
<v Speaker 2>So intead, instead, that's what I would have said, That's

0:55:12.160 --> 0:55:13.399
<v Speaker 2>how I would have taken him down.

0:55:14.480 --> 0:55:17.960
<v Speaker 3>Instead, Jane dawned his red suspenders and stood on a

0:55:18.040 --> 0:55:20.440
<v Speaker 3>chair outside the Capitol to officially announce his campaign to

0:55:20.840 --> 0:55:24.160
<v Speaker 3>an excited crowd of supporters. To draw up an interest

0:55:24.200 --> 0:55:27.200
<v Speaker 3>in the campaign and demonstrate the return of like personality

0:55:27.360 --> 0:55:31.399
<v Speaker 3>theatrical politics, the Talmage team wrote a song and turn

0:55:31.440 --> 0:55:34.160
<v Speaker 3>it into a record that would play before every Talmage speech.

0:55:34.360 --> 0:55:36.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to read some of the lyrics here that

0:55:36.880 --> 0:55:41.840
<v Speaker 3>that are that are in this book. And Apple Jesus

0:55:41.920 --> 0:55:45.360
<v Speaker 3>Christies are so bad, and Apple for the teacher is

0:55:45.480 --> 0:55:48.440
<v Speaker 3>very fine, indeed, but sad to state, and apple is

0:55:48.480 --> 0:55:51.759
<v Speaker 3>not all the teachers need, the needless of state employees

0:55:51.800 --> 0:55:54.600
<v Speaker 3>and the government so wild had a very marked effect

0:55:54.680 --> 0:55:58.560
<v Speaker 3>on every Georgia child. Unfortunately, these are all of the

0:55:58.640 --> 0:56:01.400
<v Speaker 3>lyrics I can find. But it's just a song about

0:56:01.760 --> 0:56:05.200
<v Speaker 3>how big. How about how big a government is hurting children?

0:56:06.360 --> 0:56:09.160
<v Speaker 3>And this saw everyone became sick of this song because

0:56:09.160 --> 0:56:10.839
<v Speaker 3>this was now the only song I would play before

0:56:10.880 --> 0:56:13.879
<v Speaker 3>all of the talentage speeches, just on a loop. This

0:56:13.960 --> 0:56:17.480
<v Speaker 3>was the first. This was like the first ession of hell.

0:56:17.960 --> 0:56:21.520
<v Speaker 3>Like usually before campaign speeches, they had like live music.

0:56:21.760 --> 0:56:23.440
<v Speaker 3>They they just to have like you know, just some

0:56:23.440 --> 0:56:26.239
<v Speaker 3>some like local band would like play some tunes. This

0:56:26.760 --> 0:56:29.239
<v Speaker 3>now they were hooking up a record to like to

0:56:29.360 --> 0:56:36.319
<v Speaker 3>like loudspeakers and it's blasting out hell bad bad. Now.

0:56:36.560 --> 0:56:39.800
<v Speaker 3>Jean's son, Herman Talmadge, was growing increasingly influential within the

0:56:39.840 --> 0:56:44.600
<v Speaker 3>Talmadge machine and provided his father a newfound political savvy.

0:56:44.800 --> 0:56:47.319
<v Speaker 3>Though Gene was reluctant at first, Hermann struck a deal

0:56:47.360 --> 0:56:50.040
<v Speaker 3>with the Georgia New Deal Democrats for their backing in

0:56:50.120 --> 0:56:54.400
<v Speaker 3>exchange for an ever so slightly more liberal Talmage platform

0:56:54.680 --> 0:56:58.360
<v Speaker 3>focusing on education and the economy. The resulting platform was

0:56:58.400 --> 0:57:00.920
<v Speaker 3>widely deemed the most like, legitimate and practical out of

0:57:00.920 --> 0:57:05.560
<v Speaker 3>Talmadge's whole career. To quote Anderson, a Talwich victory was

0:57:05.600 --> 0:57:07.919
<v Speaker 3>so certain that the race took on a great deal

0:57:08.000 --> 0:57:12.240
<v Speaker 3>of boredom. Fistfights at speeches a common occurrence, began getting

0:57:12.280 --> 0:57:18.320
<v Speaker 3>as much press attention as the speeches themselves unquote. Kind of.

0:57:18.360 --> 0:57:20.680
<v Speaker 3>The most emblematic day of the nineteen forty race was

0:57:20.680 --> 0:57:23.480
<v Speaker 3>on July twenty seventh. All of the candidates held rallies

0:57:23.520 --> 0:57:27.240
<v Speaker 3>in Warm Springs. Gene didn't arrive on time, but his

0:57:27.360 --> 0:57:31.320
<v Speaker 3>customs song blared over the loudspeakers on repeat, drowning out

0:57:31.360 --> 0:57:32.520
<v Speaker 3>the other candidates.

0:57:32.880 --> 0:57:35.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh Man perfect on stage.

0:57:35.640 --> 0:57:39.360
<v Speaker 3>Jane's opponents took turns attacking him, with one targeting Gene

0:57:39.400 --> 0:57:43.320
<v Speaker 3>for quote boasting he had read Hitler's book seven times,

0:57:43.800 --> 0:57:46.080
<v Speaker 3>although he said he was too busy to read any

0:57:46.120 --> 0:57:47.520
<v Speaker 3>other books on cost and.

0:57:47.480 --> 0:57:49.600
<v Speaker 2>Look, I'm one of the very few people who have

0:57:49.680 --> 0:57:53.919
<v Speaker 2>read mind cop because that book is not seven times,

0:57:53.920 --> 0:57:55.240
<v Speaker 2>not a readable book.

0:57:55.760 --> 0:57:59.000
<v Speaker 3>Seven times. This is literally a joke in the Boys.

0:57:59.120 --> 0:58:00.600
<v Speaker 3>This is literally a joke in the Boys.

0:58:00.760 --> 0:58:01.640
<v Speaker 2>That's nuts.

0:58:02.080 --> 0:58:04.760
<v Speaker 3>That's too many times to have read mind comp. No,

0:58:04.880 --> 0:58:08.000
<v Speaker 3>They're like, there's there's a great episode where they asked

0:58:08.000 --> 0:58:10.560
<v Speaker 3>their like Tucker Carlson analog, have you ever read mind

0:58:10.560 --> 0:58:13.000
<v Speaker 3>comp It's like, yeah, like a few times, I guess,

0:58:13.120 --> 0:58:15.200
<v Speaker 3>And they're like, there's a few times.

0:58:15.800 --> 0:58:18.280
<v Speaker 2>I will say my favorite mind comp joke is in

0:58:18.320 --> 0:58:21.840
<v Speaker 2>the movie Churchill The Hollywood Years, in which Christian is

0:58:21.840 --> 0:58:24.920
<v Speaker 2>Winston Churchill, where one of the one of the King

0:58:25.000 --> 0:58:28.520
<v Speaker 2>of England's servants sees a copy of mind comp Bias

0:58:28.600 --> 0:58:31.000
<v Speaker 2>bed and goes me and camp f, what's this a

0:58:31.040 --> 0:58:31.960
<v Speaker 2>gay prison novel?

0:58:32.400 --> 0:58:34.000
<v Speaker 3>That's great? Perfect.

0:58:34.600 --> 0:58:39.080
<v Speaker 1>They did that exact Tucker Carlson thing and in succession

0:58:39.480 --> 0:58:42.320
<v Speaker 1>with with yes as a scene in succession And.

0:58:42.440 --> 0:58:45.360
<v Speaker 3>Maybe this was Succession, not the boys. Maybe I'm confusing it,

0:58:45.440 --> 0:58:48.760
<v Speaker 3>or maybe it's both. Who knows. I could be confusing

0:58:49.200 --> 0:58:51.400
<v Speaker 3>Tucker Carlson analogs because they're always Tucker.

0:58:52.240 --> 0:58:53.480
<v Speaker 1>It's it's always Tucker.

0:58:53.920 --> 0:58:54.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:58:54.560 --> 0:58:59.920
<v Speaker 3>Now No. Gene arrived late from a hemoroid operation and

0:59:00.080 --> 0:59:02.680
<v Speaker 3>literally upstaged one of his opponents who was in the

0:59:02.680 --> 0:59:08.400
<v Speaker 3>middle of a speech, and this disturbance sparked a massive

0:59:08.440 --> 0:59:11.440
<v Speaker 3>brawl beneath the stage that only got worse when Jene

0:59:11.560 --> 0:59:15.680
<v Speaker 3>tried to speak to quote William Anderson quote. The crowd

0:59:15.800 --> 0:59:19.520
<v Speaker 3>was now full of devilment, and while supporters spoke for Gene,

0:59:19.880 --> 0:59:22.120
<v Speaker 3>a car was set afire in the back of the

0:59:22.200 --> 0:59:25.640
<v Speaker 3>crowd and people swirled to watch it burn. It was

0:59:25.880 --> 0:59:30.080
<v Speaker 3>just like the old days. About the only punches Gene's

0:59:30.080 --> 0:59:32.400
<v Speaker 3>opponents were able to land that summer were in regard

0:59:32.560 --> 0:59:37.480
<v Speaker 3>to Talmadge's early admiration for Europe's rising dictators. They all

0:59:37.520 --> 0:59:41.280
<v Speaker 3>honed in on Gene's propensity for militaristic action and pointed

0:59:41.320 --> 0:59:44.240
<v Speaker 3>to where that type of action had gotten Europe. Gene

0:59:44.280 --> 0:59:49.040
<v Speaker 3>ignored them, unquote. The election for the Democratic primary was

0:59:49.040 --> 0:59:53.200
<v Speaker 3>held on nine to eleven, and the results handily gave

0:59:53.400 --> 0:59:56.800
<v Speaker 3>Gene a clear and decisive victory. Just truly, truly the

0:59:56.840 --> 0:59:59.640
<v Speaker 3>worst nine to eleven. Jane got like three hundred and

0:59:59.680 --> 1:00:02.840
<v Speaker 3>twenty county unit votes. He just completely swept the race.

1:00:03.760 --> 1:00:07.080
<v Speaker 3>Gene arrived late to his own celebration party and left

1:00:07.200 --> 1:00:10.200
<v Speaker 3>early to pass out in his hotel room. He was

1:00:10.560 --> 1:00:13.920
<v Speaker 3>getting old, he was having hemorrhoid operations. He wasn't the

1:00:13.960 --> 1:00:17.320
<v Speaker 3>same kind of fiery young man that that started his career.

1:00:17.480 --> 1:00:20.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, by the time you're having Yeah, hemorrhoid operations make

1:00:20.960 --> 1:00:24.880
<v Speaker 2>you fiery, but maybe a different kind of fire. Different fiery, Yeah, different,

1:00:25.120 --> 1:00:26.360
<v Speaker 2>different sort of fire.

1:00:27.240 --> 1:00:30.200
<v Speaker 3>The Georgia Democratic convention next month was referred to as

1:00:30.240 --> 1:00:34.160
<v Speaker 3>a Talmadge orgy and was full of over four thousand

1:00:34.280 --> 1:00:37.680
<v Speaker 3>Talmadge fanatics in red suspenders times of Flat Circle.

1:00:39.120 --> 1:00:39.640
<v Speaker 1>So much.

1:00:39.800 --> 1:00:45.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, man, and four thousand, that's that's not a small

1:00:45.280 --> 1:00:46.040
<v Speaker 3>amount for like.

1:00:46.040 --> 1:00:49.120
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's it for like decent crowd today, for like

1:00:48.840 --> 1:00:50.480
<v Speaker 2>for like a local.

1:00:50.760 --> 1:00:51.920
<v Speaker 3>For like a local political convention.

1:00:52.000 --> 1:00:53.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, absolutely yeah.

1:00:53.680 --> 1:00:57.880
<v Speaker 3>Now, Journalist Ralph McGill wrote, quote, Talmadge has something only

1:00:57.960 --> 1:01:00.760
<v Speaker 3>few men have. He has that quality that makes men

1:01:00.880 --> 1:01:03.760
<v Speaker 3>want to follow him, to fight for him, to defend

1:01:03.840 --> 1:01:08.360
<v Speaker 3>him unquote. Now, Jean sent his son Herman to promise

1:01:08.440 --> 1:01:10.760
<v Speaker 3>FDR that they were going to bury the hatchet quote unquote,

1:01:11.040 --> 1:01:13.680
<v Speaker 3>and that they would be fully cooperative in the war effort,

1:01:14.240 --> 1:01:17.840
<v Speaker 3>but Jean's personal feelings differed. I'm going to end this

1:01:17.880 --> 1:01:21.240
<v Speaker 3>episode with one final quote from Anderson that kind of

1:01:21.320 --> 1:01:25.640
<v Speaker 3>lays out what Gene was like going into World War two. Quote.

1:01:26.560 --> 1:01:30.080
<v Speaker 3>The Nazi devastations in Europe brought out the isolationism in Talmach.

1:01:30.480 --> 1:01:32.360
<v Speaker 3>He saw the conflict as a potential drain on the

1:01:32.400 --> 1:01:36.440
<v Speaker 3>American economy. There was for him, little value in foreign

1:01:36.480 --> 1:01:40.840
<v Speaker 3>aid taking money from the hungry farmer's pocket. Talmach singled

1:01:40.880 --> 1:01:43.640
<v Speaker 3>out FDR as the main force behind America's growing involvement

1:01:43.640 --> 1:01:46.400
<v Speaker 3>in the war and This increased his hatred of the man.

1:01:46.800 --> 1:01:49.080
<v Speaker 3>He felt that if the United States remained strong, the

1:01:49.120 --> 1:01:52.280
<v Speaker 3>country would be left alone. He said in November, quote,

1:01:52.600 --> 1:01:55.720
<v Speaker 3>if you lead a bulldog around with you, nobody is

1:01:55.800 --> 1:01:59.320
<v Speaker 3>likely to jump on you. Unquote. In the same breath,

1:01:59.320 --> 1:02:02.439
<v Speaker 3>he warned, quote America cannot take the stand of being

1:02:02.520 --> 1:02:06.600
<v Speaker 3>permanent guard for Europe. Some thought Jean's isolationism had gotten

1:02:06.600 --> 1:02:09.880
<v Speaker 3>out of hand when he wrote some highly favorable editorials

1:02:09.880 --> 1:02:13.520
<v Speaker 3>about to Japan in The Statesman after that country had

1:02:13.600 --> 1:02:17.960
<v Speaker 3>just killed thousands of Chinese. Japan thought it had an

1:02:18.000 --> 1:02:21.320
<v Speaker 3>ally in gene and invited a member of his newspaper

1:02:21.560 --> 1:02:26.080
<v Speaker 3>to quote, witness the real life and the scenic beauties

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<v Speaker 3>of Japan. They represent them to the American people through

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<v Speaker 3>your newspaper. Unquote.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no more natural ally for the governor of Georgia

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<v Speaker 2>than the Empire of Japan. Let's just say it.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's just fascist Japan. He literally sent over his employees

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<v Speaker 3>to tell no, his employees were invited to Japan by

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<v Speaker 3>the fascist party to like give it a glowing, a

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<v Speaker 3>glowing review in his in his own newspapers Unit seven

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<v Speaker 3>thirty one.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing, Really, Sam's interesting, Why don't we try a local

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<v Speaker 2>version of that.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god. Jene was an innocent duke who was

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<v Speaker 3>so desperate to keep attention from leaving the poor farmer

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<v Speaker 3>that he would even try to syctify war makers. Others

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<v Speaker 3>saw this as indicative of the dark side of Gene.

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<v Speaker 3>When people were calling him a dictator, he said, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>what you call a minor dictator. But did you ever

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<v Speaker 3>see anybody that was much good who didn't have a

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<v Speaker 3>little dictator in him? Unquote He's not wrong that.

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<v Speaker 2>He's actually not wrong about that.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean this is like a little yeah, that is healthy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not just politics. Like everyone I've ever worked with

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<v Speaker 2>who's who's a good like manager, has a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of that something.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel you have to write, I feel attacked.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how movies dior. Yeah, you need a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of dictator. He's not He's not wrong about that, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's the same thing, Like there's a degree to

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<v Speaker 2>which you need that. I mean, yeah, like that's that's how.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm being a complimented.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's both it's accomplissent.

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<v Speaker 3>But I mean no, like this, he like embraced this

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<v Speaker 3>like minor dictator refrain and then to conclude from Anderson

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<v Speaker 3>quote Jane's early admiration for Hitler, the fact that he

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<v Speaker 3>had read Hitler's book seven times, and his tendency to

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<v Speaker 3>surround himself with huge military staffs and nonchalantly call for

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<v Speaker 3>martial law gave it an eerie backing to his words unquote,

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<v Speaker 3>so yeah, that's Gene circa nineteen forty. He's sending his

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<v Speaker 3>employees and I believe actually his own son to Japan

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<v Speaker 3>as special guests of the Japanese government. He's reading Mine

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<v Speaker 3>com a few too many times. I would say little.

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<v Speaker 2>Six too many times. Yeah, I'm fine with up to one.

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<v Speaker 3>And certainly embracing the dictatorial attacks on him by saying,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, come on, you, you got to be a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit of a dictator. So, yeah, that is a

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<v Speaker 3>big That is Gene.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's how I podcast. You know, a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a dictator.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that is that is Gene. At this point, he

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<v Speaker 3>is he's getting old, he's getting a little worn out,

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<v Speaker 3>but he's he's he's still hanging in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, he really is. Boy, this man has some

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<v Speaker 2>staying power. Well, he's an innovator. You got to give

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<v Speaker 2>him that.

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<v Speaker 3>We will, we will finish this. This this four part

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<v Speaker 3>series on gene Uh. In the next episode, where we

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<v Speaker 3>are going to where we are going to discuss just

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<v Speaker 3>as as a little hint, something called the Cocking Affair,

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<v Speaker 3>which is kind of one of the last of of

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<v Speaker 3>Jean's scandals. So get excited for that. We're gonna have

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of a lot of good cocking uh jokes.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk out with our talk out, That's.

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