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Speaker 2: Oh, Sophie, one of these days, I'm gonna do that,

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Speaker 2: and it's gonna sound like I'm doing another like a

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Speaker 2: into the opening soundtrack from The Lion King, and you're

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Speaker 1: What's so wild is when you did that, I was

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Speaker 1: immediately thinking of Lion King, like I think you're almost there.

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Speaker 2: Were I was very very close. I was very close.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't thinking the Lion King. I'll say it. I'm

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Speaker 3: not going to be grit ced.

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Speaker 2: You grew up with the bad Lion King, not the

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Speaker 2: good one.

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Speaker 3: That's not true. Fuck off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I assume you were raised on the Donald Glover

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Speaker 2: Lion King. What a mistake, What a horrible mistake.

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Speaker 3: Why would you ever do another version? Garrison was not

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Speaker 3: born last Thursday? What are we doing?

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Speaker 2: I don't remember when the new Disney movies come out.

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Speaker 2: I just know they have off putting cgi versions of

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Speaker 2: all together for four years.

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Speaker 3: It's terrible. Sound right, I think it doesn't sound Wronger, No,

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Speaker 3: it's been four years. Sophie's well, yeah, slightly.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you right now, my mental health

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Speaker 3: It's coming soon. It's coming soon.

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Speaker 1: The the the Donald Glover Lion King predates predates us,

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Speaker 1: because that was twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, all right, all right, all right, anyway, welcome

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Speaker 3: to behind the Bastards. I guess we have this new

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Speaker 3: But uh, it's pretty pretty chilly. So it's pretty chilly

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Speaker 3: in here.

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Speaker 2: It's pronounced chile Garrison, and it's it's correct. The difference

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Speaker 2: between you know you you're yeah. Sorry, I don't have

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Speaker 3: I really set you up for that one.

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Speaker 2: He really did. What are we talking about today, buddy?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Just a normal guy from the nineteen thirties, seemed

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Speaker 3: to Eugene Talmage.

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Speaker 2: Hell yeah, let's get back into.

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Speaker 3: It right where we left off. Jean had as little

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Speaker 3: racism convention to try to oust FDR. Right, he has

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Speaker 3: his eyes set on the presidency, and he was really.

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Speaker 2: The only tactic for ousting FDR was it was racism.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, ever shooting workers, Yeah, because everyone else loved him.

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Speaker 3: They're like, well, he's not racist enough. Let's try that.

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Speaker 2: Let's see if that works.

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Speaker 3: The other pressing problem for Gene at this junction is

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Speaker 3: that in the previous year, the state failed to secure

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Speaker 3: an appropriation spill, so there's no way for the state's

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Speaker 3: finances to work going into nineteen thirty six. And this

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Speaker 3: is kind of Gene's main problem, especially after his little

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Speaker 3: failed racism convention. So at this point we're kind of

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Speaker 3: early in nineteen thirty six. The state does have money,

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Speaker 3: it just has no legal process to divert or spend

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Speaker 3: which is technically constitutional, but by I would say, creatively

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Speaker 3: interpreting the law. Gene claimed that he could write check

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Speaker 3: some money appropriated as far back to nineteen thirty three,

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Speaker 3: using funds that were not paid in full. He also

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Speaker 3: bypass the treasury. So this was his plan to kind

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Speaker 3: of hold on to money. Now, Unfortunately for Gene, the

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Speaker 3: to run out of operating funds. Now days later, Gene

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Speaker 3: already approved that budget, it was thus legal indefinitely, which

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Speaker 3: is not just not how state budgets work. Now, the

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Speaker 2: He was worried, Garrison, I need you to say that

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, it's it's a long's there's a lot

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Speaker 2: Unconstitutional, unconstitutionality is unconstitutionality, Okay, okay, okay, unconstitutionality. That's probably

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's mostly a word. It was, it was he

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Speaker 3: was scared of his unconstitutional word. I'm pretty sure this

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Speaker 1: I'm so tired. I'm so tired.

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Speaker 3: I can't it's a word. Unconstitutionality. That's a word.

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Speaker 2: Robert and I are.

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Speaker 3: Both so fucking tired.

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Speaker 1: You can just tell.

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Speaker 3: According to according to the Cornell Law Institute.

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Speaker 2: So there you go.

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Speaker 1: Shout out Cornell. My grandma went there. Now.

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Speaker 3: The treasurer, a guy named George Hamilton, was also worried

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Speaker 3: treasure Hamilton asked FDR to secure state bonds in federal

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Speaker 3: was apparently happy to make life harder for Eugene Talmage.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to quote from Gene's biography by William Anderson. Quote,

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Speaker 3: the Treasurer carefully drilled his staff on what to do

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Speaker 3: were to remove all collateral bonds and cash from state vaults,

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Speaker 3: they were to deposit both cash and bonds. Speed was

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Speaker 3: Governor's office. Unquote. It's just like they were basically had

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Speaker 2: You know what we don't have enough of in modern

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Speaker 2: politics is capers. You know there is the capers. That's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some good capers in this episode, so uh speak.

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Speaker 3: Speaking speaking of capers, I love bagels. Now, Talmidch wanted

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Speaker 3: to test his own power by asking the school superintendent,

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Speaker 3: to put in requests for money, pressuring the treasurer to

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Speaker 3: of time, and, not wanting to be caught denying funds

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Speaker 3: of time and made secret arrangements to send him into hiding,

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Speaker 3: as expected, Jeane went looking for the superintendent and was

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Speaker 2: Again, what happened to Caper's right? Why don't we do

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Speaker 2: like fascism and very disappointing. Governors want to I want

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Speaker 2: a caper, Tim Walls, go steal the declaration of independence,

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Speaker 3: They didn't have like sell phoes, they didn't have like email.

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Speaker 3: You couldn't send official requests digitally. You had to actually

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Speaker 2: And then it was very easy to just put someone

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just keep someone hiding in a hotel in downtown

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Speaker 2: No, they might as well be on the fucking moon.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So, on February twentieth, as Gene was still looking

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Speaker 3: for mister Collins, the Comptroller and the Treasurer publicly announced

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Speaker 3: claiming his proclamation was invalids having a grandfather clause which

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Speaker 3: constitutional battle. The press had basically all turned on Jeane

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Speaker 3: at this point, tired from his antics, and an Atlanta

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Speaker 2: You got to have some respect for a title that

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Speaker 3: There's some this some pretty good like nineteen thirties headlines

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean journalists made a comfortable income and had

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Speaker 3: Now, four days later, Jean wrote an executive order firing

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Speaker 3: This tactic was designed to make Gene look militaristic, a bully,

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Speaker 3: Since Jean's martial law order from September nineteen thirty four

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Speaker 3: It was early in the morning. Camp was not a

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Speaker 3: You're no longer comptroller, and you'll have to leave this office.

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Speaker 3: Camp said Harrison, and seated behind his desk looked disappointed

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Speaker 3: I'm some soldiers. Harrison got up and incredible. Some soldiers

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Speaker 2: The riz in every single elected leader in the country

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Speaker 2: right now doesn't add up to that line. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 3: Oh, Treasurer Hamilton put up.

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Speaker 1: Sophy say, it's the quietly getting up and leaving for me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was like, you can't respond to that.

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Speaker 2: You've lost You've lost that engagement. It's time to just

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Speaker 3: Hamilton, the treasurer, put up a bit more of a fight,

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Speaker 3: at least according to Jean's assistant Henry Sperlin, who recounted

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Speaker 3: the ordeal quote, I went in in fan Hamilton sitting

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Speaker 2: You just convinced me to run for office, because man,

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Speaker 2: that would be fun. That would feel good, That would

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Speaker 3: Continuing from Spurlin quote, I turned around and went back

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Speaker 3: was refusing to leave. Jean blew up.

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Speaker 2: Knowing the Times that was like a thirty eight.

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Speaker 3: Jean blew up and started yelling for the adjunct to

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Speaker 3: About that time, the Adjunct General came walking through the

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Speaker 1: So fine.

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Speaker 3: So the actric General, along with some some soldiers, went

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Speaker 3: Hamilton yelled to his assistants who were running around with

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Speaker 3: the last of the Treasury's bonds in cash.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Anderson says that that the guardsman just.

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Speaker 2: The wrong turn in this country.

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Speaker 3: Cornell Dispatch debugged, Sorry, your prediction was wrong.

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Speaker 3: The Columbias Inquirer wrote that he is a quote paper

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Speaker 2: Imagine a newspaper having any juice at all in an

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Speaker 3: At this point like this, this specific paper held a

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Speaker 3: Nowadays the AJAC is still like an influential paper in

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Speaker 3: At this point, i'm majority of the Senate sign a

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Speaker 2: You knownforunate nothing. I think that probably would work today

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Speaker 3: Yeah, people are very susceptible to dictators, as I'm sure

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Speaker 2: that's a top.

436
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: Obviously, we wouldn't take X on mobile.

437
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 2: We would take X on. We wouldn't send us some money.

438
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: Guys, they tried, that's a switch.

439
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 2: Chevron's a clear switch. We're not taking them, Chevron asked us.

440
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 1: Both it was both.

441
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:32,120
Speaker 3: It was both.

442
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 1: We've gotten, but we've gotten We've gotten requests from both

443
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: to do like sustainability campaigns for both those guys.

444
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 2: Yes, we do turn down money people. Yeah, not often,

445
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 2: but we do.

446
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, Okay, we are so back, man, George. George

447
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 3: is doing great right now. We just had a massive

448
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 3: chemical fire, which makes my throat feel terrible, and I

449
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 3: still have to I still have to read through three

450
00:23:58,359 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 3: thousand words.

451
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 2: I made this the other day. But you're really a

452
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 2: Southerner when the town you live in has been blanketed

453
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 2: and poisoned because a chemical factory has exploded because it

454
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 2: got bought by a private equity company who then gutted

455
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 2: the operations staff and completely fucked all of the safety procedures.

456
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 3: The air is terrible.

457
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 2: I lived in West and it was the same thing

458
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 2: where like they had a fire they had not like

459
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 2: they were reliant upon like a volunteer firefighting team that

460
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 2: had not been properly trained in chemical fires. They put

461
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 2: water on said fire, and it exploded and wiped out

462
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 2: the whole fire department.

463
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, Georgia is strong right now. We're really hanging in there. Case.

464
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:40,959
Speaker 2: No, I was looking at the map of where all

465
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,880
Speaker 2: of the chlorine gas is going to be tomorrow has

466
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 2: his lofts end down?

467
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 3: It sucks, It sucks. I woke up today with my

468
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 3: throat being on fire. Now. Jean was still eyeing up

469
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 3: an office in Washington as he couldn't run a third

470
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 3: consecutive term as governor, But as Gene observed just near

471
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 3: total widespread support for FDR, he got too afraid to

472
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 3: directly challenge the man and backed down. As a backup plan,

473
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 3: Jene was considering a run as George's favorite son to

474
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 3: stoke a brokered convention, but only if Roosevelt did poorly

475
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 3: in the primary. But Roosevelt ran completely unopposed in the

476
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 3: primary and basically won the presidency by default, ending Jane's

477
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 3: presidential ambitions. To quote Anderson here, what seemed like a

478
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 3: year long camouflaged chase after the presidency came to a

479
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 3: sputtering end. On Wednesday, June seventeenth, the State Executive Committee

480
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 3: meant to choose Roosevelt delegates for the national Convention and

481
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 3: to witness the political death of Gene Talmadge. Not to

482
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 3: be upstaged, the corpse came striding briskly through the lobby,

483
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 3: grinning broadly shaken hands and slapping backs as he moved

484
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 3: through the crowded lobby. One man refused to shake his hand,

485
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,360
Speaker 3: saying sullenly he didn't want to meet any new acquaintances

486
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 3: that day. The explosive Talmage called the refusal and insult

487
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 3: and order the man to remove his glasses. Jean's instant

488
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 3: theory betrayed his real feelings over The meeting, mainly ensued

489
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 3: between the man and Jean's entourage, scattering people over the lobby.

490
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 3: Gene was pushed away from the scuffling, and it ended quickly.

491
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 3: Unquote that's sad. A good old, good old fashioned state

492
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 3: democratic fist fight. Love to see it.

493
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 2: We again, we need it. Like if the if the

494
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 2: VP debate last night had involved a fist fight for

495
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 2: one thing, I do think Walls would have very clearly

496
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 2: won that.

497
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 3: He would have want ye.

498
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 2: Ja d Vance obviously probably is an endurance edge. He's

499
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 2: much younger man. But jd Vance, there's no way he's

500
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 2: ever been hit in the face. He should have been anyway.

501
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 2: I I I support this.

502
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 3: We need to, we need to return now. With the

503
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 3: presidency beyond Jean's grasp, he decided to challenge the popular

504
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 3: Richard Russell for his seat in the US Senate. Meanwhile,

505
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 3: the long term Chalmage loyalist Hugh Howell was hoping to

506
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 3: succeed Gen as governor. Once Gan announced his run for

507
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 3: the Senate, Howell made statements in the press talking about

508
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 3: how he could continue Jeane's legacy and was dropping hints

509
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 3: for Gene to endorseh but Gene eventually broke the news

510
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 3: that he was instead backing his personal friend Charles RedWine,

511
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 3: and Howell was quite upset that Gene was unwilling to

512
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 3: return any political favors and was caught in a weird

513
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 3: place since Howell still wished to kind of remain in

514
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 3: the Talmadge orbit, but in doing so it was inhibiting

515
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 3: his progress as a politician. More on him later now.

516
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 3: Jane threw another one of his big like kickoff barbecue

517
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 3: rallies in McRae on July fourth, where he announced red

518
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 3: Wine for governor and his run for the Senate, unveiling

519
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 3: his platform to quote unquote protected Georgia, which included outlawing

520
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 3: a national debt, cutting the federal budget to under a

521
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 3: billion dollars, removing members of the cabinet who try to

522
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 3: change our form of government, which I think is like

523
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 3: an anti communist thing.

524
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it may have something to do too with like

525
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 2: voting rights.

526
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yeah, yes, because that becomes a big thing

527
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:01,239
Speaker 3: later on when the federal government was pushing for no

528
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 3: more white only primaries, and he also pushed for like,

529
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 3: you know, other like lasi faire capitalist policies. Now, Jean

530
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 3: finished this rally by symbolically passing the governor's torch by

531
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 3: gifting RedWine his own trademark red suspenders to quote andrewsand Quote,

532
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 3: though suspicious that Talmadge had become a living political party,

533
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 3: were interested to see if the voter loyalty could now

534
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 3: be so manipulated. Could Jean project his authority onto others unquote?

535
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 3: Now this is a question I've certainly had regarding like

536
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 3: what will happen to the Republicans in twenty twenty eight,

537
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 3: Like depending on how this next election goes, Like how

538
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 3: are they going to survive up like a post Trump party?

539
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 3: Will Trump be able to pass his authority onto someone

540
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 3: else or will they go in a completely new direction.

541
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 3: That's certainly been a question on my mind. Now this

542
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 3: this same day, State senator and KKK member Ed Rivers

543
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 3: announced his candidacy for governor, running on the most liberal

544
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 3: platform in the state's history, which he called the Little

545
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 3: New Deal. So despite being in some ways economically progressive

546
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 3: for white people, he was like all these guys just

547
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 3: insanely racist. Gene decided just to do one speech a

548
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 3: week while Russell mounted an intense statewide campaign to keep

549
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 3: his Senate seat away from Governor Talmach, branding Gene as

550
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,959
Speaker 3: a trader to the Democratic Party for his previous like

551
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 3: you know racism convention and all of his appeals against FDR. Now,

552
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,959
Speaker 3: this campaign was essentially Gene against both the state and

553
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 3: the National Democratic Parties. Jean had no campaign manager, he

554
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 3: had no headquarters, and was opposing both both the state

555
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 3: and the National Party. He was set to make a

556
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 3: campaign stop in Monroe, Georgia, the site of the strikes

557
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 3: last year that Jean suppressed with concentration camps and the

558
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 3: National Guard. The union workers were planning to make Gene

559
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 3: know just how welcome he was with a gold old

560
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 3: fashioned egg throw in which god we should we should

561
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 3: bring back now word a head.

562
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 2: In Australia, they've been doing it, at least they were

563
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 2: for a while.

564
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 3: Yes, there's been some in the UK as well, but

565
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 3: I guess like milkshaking has kind of become the new

566
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 3: egg throwing.

567
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean it did for a while. I

568
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 2: feel like that stopped bringing all the boys to the yard,

569
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 2: yeah a while ago.

570
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 3: Sad.

571
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's tragedy.

572
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 3: Now, word of this made its way to made its

573
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 3: way to Gene and the National Guard arrived early to

574
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 3: secure the area. The rumor was that one hundred and

575
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 3: twenty five armed men came down from Atlanta, with locals

576
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 3: witnessing car loads of strangers arriving carrying pistols. Now, Lindley

577
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 3: Camp denied that the guardsmen were sent, saying that it

578
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 3: was actually local boys armed from the area who volunteered

579
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 3: to keep the peace. But the police chief claimed otherwise

580
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 3: and saying that they were in fact guardsmen from Atlanta.

581
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 3: Whatever the case. To the union workers, governor Challemage had

582
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 3: once again invaded their town with armed goons to do

583
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 3: his bidding. Like this level of like security for a

584
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 3: politician was uncommon for the time. It's kind of more

585
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 3: normalized now, but back then this was like really odd.

586
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,479
Speaker 2: It is interesting the degree to which Americans had to

587
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 2: be taught that you could shoot your politicians. Like, we

588
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: learned that very rapidly, and then things had to change.

589
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, wasn't if I remember correctly, wasn't Huey

590
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 3: Long Shot? I think long was shot and they might

591
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 3: have been.

592
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: He might have had two attempts on him, but yeah,

593
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 2: I think he was. I think he survived at least one.

594
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 2: Let's double check that though.

595
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, he was. He was assassinated. Yeah, so like

596
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 3: and like for Jane. Because of how much this security

597
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 3: was uncommon for the time, it certainly did damage his

598
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 3: reputation as like a wanna be military dictator, although kind

599
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 3: of now we are very used to this type of security.

600
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 3: During during the Senate race, the recently promoted editor at

601
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 3: the Constitution, a guy named Ralph McGill who later became

602
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 3: a prominent anti segregationist journalist. He began writing about Jene's

603
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 3: relationship with John Whitley, the highway construction guy, and insinuated

604
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 3: some kind of ethical financial arrangement between the two regarding

605
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 3: highway construction contracts. Now twice that summer, John Whitley found

606
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 3: McGill at campaign events and brutally beat him to a

607
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 3: bloody pulp while threatening to kill the man if he

608
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 3: didn't stop writing about him, and Gene just kicking McGill

609
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: on the ground, dragging his body around in the dirt

610
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 3: and smashing his head into hard columns in a hotel lobby.

611
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,479
Speaker 3: It was it was pretty it was pretty grisly stuff

612
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 3: to quote Whitley quote, I beat the lion bastard until

613
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 3: I got tired. I'd rest, then beat him some more

614
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 3: until he was bleeding good. Then I told him McGill,

615
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 3: next time I see you, I'm gonna have a pistol

616
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 3: and I'm going to kill the hell out of you quote,

617
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 3: which you could just it's it's good to know that, Auntie,

618
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 3: that anti journalist violence does does go back far.

619
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Speaker 2: We really, I mean, you're not really doing your job

620
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 2: as a journalist if if people aren't saying that kind

621
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 2: of thing about you occasionally.

622
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. Anderson writes that McGill wasn't too badly hurt in

623
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 3: the kerfuffles, but he was energy to quote unquote returned

624
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 3: to his typewriter with a vengeance unquote, which yeah, that yeah,

625
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 3: that makes sense, returned to his typewriter with a vengeance.

626
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 3: This race, Gene was kind of forced into playing political

627
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,719
Speaker 3: defense for one of the first times in his career,

628
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 3: Russell would go would go after Jane for using racism

629
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 3: to distract from his otherwise empty politics, saying, when a

630
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 3: politician runs out of arguments, knows that in the minds

631
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 3: of the people, he is convicted of pure custness in

632
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 3: keeping the old people of Georgia from getting their pensions,

633
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 3: then he comes hollerin N word, N word, N word.

634
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 3: Gene responded by saying, quote, you hear false interpretations in

635
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 3: my service to you. Russell says, I go around yell

636
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 3: and N word. Well, I don't believe in sending Negroes

637
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 3: down here to rule over the white people, which he's

638
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 3: not really refuting what Russell is saying.

639
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 2: No, no, you are.

640
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 3: You are not killing those rumors like it's it's again,

641
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 3: this is everyone racist. At this time, Russell was also

642
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 3: a raging racist. He was a segregationist right like. He

643
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 3: just didn't like how Gene was kind of not very

644
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 3: classy about it. Jane was so like like open and

645
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 3: like brash. Russell was also a racist guy, but he

646
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 3: wanted politics to be something other than just blaming black

647
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 3: people for everything like that. That is where the bar

648
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 3: was at this point. Now in August, Senior Sonator George

649
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 3: Walter joined the Russell campaign in an effort to finally

650
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 3: beat Talmadge and the background politics he represented. By mid August,

651
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 3: Hugh Howell was refusing to campaign with Jean, and one

652
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 3: of the first to join team Talmadge, lamar Udeau from

653
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 3: McRae had become an advisor to Ed Rivers in the

654
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 3: governor's race. So Jane was bleeding support and losing allies.

655
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 3: Now that the two candidates agreed to some kind of

656
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 3: back to back speech showdown. On August twenty sixth thirty

657
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 3: high school girls escorted Russell onto stage in parody of

658
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 3: Jean's platoon of armed guards. Anderson writes, quote, Russell thought

659
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 3: he already saw the tide turning when farmers began taking

660
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 3: off their red suspenders at his speeches and symbolically laying

661
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 3: them at his feet. Unquote, Russell addressed Talmage as old

662
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 3: Republican gene and this is where we start to really

663
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 3: see like this is the beginning of the Southern Democratic

664
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 3: Party stopping being Democrats, right like like FDR's forced liberalization,

665
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 3: and people like Talmage, these kind of old demagogues who

666
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 3: are like Democratic Party men are becoming more like the

667
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 3: northern conservative Republicans. So like, I think Eugene Talent, which

668
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 3: is kind of like the is one of the last

669
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 3: of these like real like southern Democrats, and a lot

670
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 3: of his politics very clearly paved the way for the

671
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 3: Democratic Party to kind of split away and do this

672
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 3: like kind of fabled like swap right where most of

673
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 3: these kind of supporters would would later in like ten

674
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 3: twenty years be voting Republican even though they forever had

675
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 3: always been had always been Democrats.

676
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, I mean this is this is the beginning

677
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 2: of I don't know if it's the end, but it's

678
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 2: the beginning of our current hell right, this is where

679
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 2: it all starts, and it all starts because people were like,

680
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: what if black folks got to enjoy some of the

681
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 2: benefits of the social safety net that we're constructing in

682
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 2: this country Old Republican Gene yep. So Russell came with

683
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 2: a list of questions that he demanded Gene answer when

684
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: it was his turn to take the stage. Base They

685
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: were mostly about like how his programs would actually help

686
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 2: people and how he would get money to help farmers

687
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 2: with his ultra conservative economic plans. But upon taking the stage,

688
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 2: Gene immediately discarded these questions, saying, quote, it would take

689
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 2: a Philadelphia lawyer all day to answer them quote, which

690
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 2: I think is an amusing old timing remark. Now, the

691
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 2: Russell staff took this day as a victory for their candidate,

692
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 2: and Gene later actually agreed. On the second to last

693
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 2: day of the race, a massive fistfight broke out at

694
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 2: his rally in Dalton, Georgia. From the podium, Gene tried

695
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 2: to stop people from breaking up the fight, saying, don't

696
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 2: pay any attention to them. The Talmadge boys can whip them,

697
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 2: let them fight it out. About half their crowd was

698
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 2: listening to Gene's speech, the other half were in this

699
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 2: ongoing brawl. The local deputy sheriff was severely beaten by

700
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 2: five of Jean's National guardsmen and then had all of

701
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 2: them arrested. We really loved to see cop On caught violence.

702
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 2: At the end of his speech, the open melee was

703
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 2: still raging on, and Governor Talmadge quickly left town. Come

704
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: election day, Gene lost in a massive landslide, one of

705
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 2: the biggest in the state's history. Jean carried only sixteen

706
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 2: counties to Russell's one hundred and forty three and was

707
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 2: beat two to one in the popular vote. The governor's

708
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 2: race had very similar results, with the New Deal candidate

709
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: Ed Rivers beating Talmadge Stooge red Wine by over one

710
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 2: hundred thousand votes. Longtime Talmage man Tom Linder lost his

711
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: race for Agricultural Commissioner, and George Hamilton the Treasurer, got

712
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 2: his revenge by just utterly destroying Toby Daniel in the

713
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 2: election that Daniel even lost his street that he lived

714
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 2: on in Lagrange, according to William Anderson. To quote Anderson,

715
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 2: it had come to be said that Gene Talmadge had

716
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 2: a guaranteed vote of one hundred thousand, and that statement

717
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 2: rang true to one hundred thousand Georgians. Gene Talmadge was

718
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 2: almost a deity. His hold was hypnotic and unshakable on

719
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 2: this core constituency. But while his stand against the New

720
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,919
Speaker 2: Deal did not affect the vote of his own constituency,

721
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 2: it lost the election because of the fact that it

722
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 2: had on the swing vote, though the bifactional electorate either

723
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 2: for or against Gene seemed stronger than ever in undecided

724
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand or so votes, swung the election. This

725
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 2: swing group was not polarized for or against Gene, and

726
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 2: these voters cannot be placed in a particular group that

727
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 2: had a predictable behavior. Most of them were simply convinced

728
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,439
Speaker 2: that the new deal was helping them more than herding them.

729
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 2: Another influential factor was the high voter turnout to the

730
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 2: largest in Georgious history. Jane drew from a hardcore group,

731
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 2: and the numbers did not sluctuate much above one hundred

732
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 2: and forty thousand. The wealthy and the very poor had

733
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 2: once again combined for Gene, but he had lost the

734
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 2: labor vote, which was growing, and also much of the

735
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 2: middle class unquote. I find this kind of political breakdown

736
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,959
Speaker 2: to be quite interesting both how even still we find

737
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 2: conservatives are able to get both the ultra wealthy and

738
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 2: the ultra poor to vote for them in a counterintuitive way,

739
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 2: and how Gene had this like very hardcore group of

740
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 2: supporters that viewed him as like a god and would

741
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:41,439
Speaker 2: vote for him regardless of like anything. But he did

742
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: lose in the swing vote. Now, as for the governor's race,

743
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: Gene was able to pass off his hardcore supporters to

744
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 2: red Wine, getting over one hundred and twenty thousand of

745
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 2: these votes, but he completely failed to attract any of

746
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 2: the one hundred thousand anti Talented voters and was unable

747
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 2: to move any of the importan swing voters to red

748
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 2: Wine on his anti New Deal Talmadge inspired platform. Jean's

749
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 2: grip on the state Democratic Party was slipping, and he

750
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 2: had begun to lose to the New Deal. So, for

751
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 2: the first time in over ten years, in nineteen thirty seven,

752
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,439
Speaker 2: Jean was out of a government job. He now spent

753
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 2: his time building his cattle herd, doing little speaking engagements,

754
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 2: and using his newspaper The Statesman to project his message

755
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 2: across Georgia. As he planned his next move, his eyes

756
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 2: were still set on the Senate, but this time on

757
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 2: the even more respected Senior Senator Walter George Anderson writes,

758
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 2: those who questioned Jane's good judgment in thirty six questioned

759
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 2: his sanity in nineteen thirty eight. Basically, George was like

760
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 2: the archetypal respected elder statesman. Going against him was like crazy. Luckily,

761
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 2: Jean brought his twenty five year old son, Hermann Talmadge

762
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 2: to serve as campaign manager, who actually did grow to

763
00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 2: be a pretty good political navigator. His new nineteen thirty

764
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 2: eight platform differed from his previous bouts against the New Deal.

765
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: Instead of using vague nostalgic rhetoric pointing towards the old ways,

766
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 2: this time Jeane sought to address the consequences of the

767
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 2: New Deal as he saw them, attack the new big institutions,

768
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 2: and uplift the little guy. He called for a migration

769
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 2: back to farms and promised to stop a government waste

770
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: by using fedral relief money to buy land to give

771
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 2: to citizens willing to farm it, and to convert the

772
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 2: civilian conservation camps into vocational education campuses to provide a

773
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: practical job oriented training in contrast to the frivolous liberal universities,

774
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 2: another conservative mainstay. His campaign speeches this year were described

775
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 2: as like increasingly protectionist, isolationist, nationalist, and much more populist.

776
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 2: We're getting closer to the full breakout of World War two,

777
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 2: and Gene was pretty pretty firmly like an isolationist and

778
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: a nationalist. Yeah, I'm not surprised to hear that.

779
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 4: I mean, yep, yeah, it is entirely unsurprising. Yeah to town,

780
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 4: which tried to frame Senator George as a trader to

781
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 4: small farmers, particularly because of his support of coconut milk.

782
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 4: That was one of the main ways he attacked George

783
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 4: as betraying as betraying US dairy farmers. Now Gene wasn't

784
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 4: the only guy targeting Senator George, though. FDR was increasingly

785
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 4: beefing with the southern wing of the party, and by

786
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 4: the late nineteen thirties he sought to unseat some of

787
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 4: the old Guard from the Senate that were inhibiting progress.

788
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 4: Senator George was a particularly influential member of this group,

789
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 4: and so FDR targeted him for removal. Not many Georgia

790
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 4: Democrats wanted to go up against the popular Senator, but

791
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 4: the Roosevelt Dems finally settled on a Russell's nineteen thirty

792
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,479
Speaker 4: four campaign manager, a man named Lawrence Camp, to take

793
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 4: on George. FDR made this really confusing public appearance with

794
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 4: Senator George in early August, where Roosevelt delivered a quite

795
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 4: polite attack on his personal friend George, calling him a

796
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 4: fake liberal and dismissed Talmage as no kind of real concern,

797
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 4: and then endorsed Lawrence Camp.

798
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 2: FDR, we don't make him like that anymore.

799
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 3: No you invite your friend to like a campaign event,

800
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 3: and then you just suspended the day.

801
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 2: Attacked shit talk him, just just rat fuck him.

802
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 3: He's really good.

803
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: FDR was maybe our most effective rat fucker president. He

804
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,479
Speaker 2: really knew how to rat a man.

805
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,439
Speaker 3: He didn't care. He don't care.

806
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 2: You know, that's the benefit of dying of polio is

807
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 2: you don't give a round fuck.

808
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 3: Like Gane tried to reprogize this speech to discredit George

809
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 3: and brushed aside Camp as like a coattail writer and

810
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 3: an un serious candidate. Now Roosevelt try to just We're

811
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 3: worried that his campaign against George might give Talmage the election,

812
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 3: but that outcome didn't really concern FDR. He thought that

813
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 3: even if Talmadge got in the Senate, Jen would just

814
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,280
Speaker 3: make a fool out of himself. The problem with George

815
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 3: was that he was influential. If he went a certain way,

816
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 3: forty other senators would follow suit. Tal Imridge, on the

817
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 3: other hand, was unlikely to attract followers in the Senate,

818
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 3: and Jane was quite happy with what he saw as

819
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 3: liberal infighting and became even more certain that it would

820
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 3: lead to his victory in the county unit vote. With

821
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 3: the liberal vote being split now three ways, as long

822
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 3: as his hardcore of one hundred thousand supporters went out

823
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 3: to vote, he saw no way for him to lose.

824
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 3: I'm going to quote from Anderson here on this kind

825
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 3: of anecdote about what the southern voter was thinking about

826
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 3: going into the nineteen thirty eight election. Quote one old

827
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 3: offensive sitter in Warm Springs told a reporter he was

828
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 3: voting for Senator Talmadge, Governor Rivers, and President Roosevelt. Quote

829
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 3: Talmidg is promising forty acres of land, Rivers promises to

830
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 3: exempt it from taxation, and Roosevelt will rent it from us.

831
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 3: Why not vote for all of them and sit on

832
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 3: the porch and collect a steady income unquote. Okay, so

833
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 3: they voting very It's like they're totally fine voting for

834
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 3: conservative talentage and progressive FDR. Like that's that's totally fine,

835
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 3: And the policies can actually work in conjunction just to

836
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 3: help these like guys eating up all the slant. Do

837
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 3: you know what I enjoy eating up?

838
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: Robert well Garrison, I've i've i've I've heard some rumors,

839
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: but I don't like that.

840
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 3: I don't like that absolutely not. Jesus Christ.

841
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: Remember remember that meal we had during the DNC where

842
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 1: there was a literal metal screw in your food?

843
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 3: I remember that?

844
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 2: Yes? Do you remember that riot where afterwards I got

845
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 2: us like two hundred dollars worth of Popeyes because we

846
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 2: were all so depressed.

847
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 3: I think it happened a few times. We had a

848
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 3: lot of really late night Chinese food and a lot

849
00:45:54,800 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 3: of Top Eyes. Oh, the good old days, the good old.

850
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: Turber Gears likes to eat foods with literal meneral screws

851
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: in them, and Popeyes got it.

852
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 3: And of course these products and services.

853
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 2: We drinks over that screw. That was great.

854
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 3: We did get a lot of free drinks over that screw.

855
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 3: They were really really worrying. Someone was like attacking, attacking

856
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 3: these DNC journalists. Oh God, okay, we are so back.

857
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 3: Come election day, early results gave Talmadge a small lead.

858
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 3: Stop the count, Stop the count, But Jean Jean's initial

859
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 3: celebration was premature because the next day after after election Day,

860
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 3: it was clear that Walter George actually beat Jeane by

861
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 3: forty thousand votes. Urban migration was affecting Jean's ability to

862
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 3: win elections. Some of the county races were quite close,

863
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 3: and a difference of just over two hundred vot in

864
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 3: certain counties would have given Talmage the election under the

865
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 3: county unit system, but Gene wasn't going to back down

866
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 3: this time. He refused to concede the election and announced

867
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 3: he would contest the vote. Stop this deal, Gene filed

868
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,720
Speaker 3: complaints with the Democratic Committee in thirty four counties, claiming

869
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 3: a recount would qute unquote clearly give me the election

870
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 3: to quote Anderson. The Talmage office had been literally flooded

871
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 3: with phone calls and letters complaining of voting irregularities. Many

872
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 3: were sworn affidavits. People claimed that dead people, children, and

873
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 3: non residents had voted for George, payoffs, had payoffs had

874
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 3: been made, counting falsified, and ballots pre marked unquote. Time

875
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 3: is a flat circle.

876
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so nothing does change?

877
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, absolutely not. As a backup plan, Gene hatched

878
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 3: another scheme to overrule the county unit election by making

879
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 3: enough of a big fuss over the recounts and voting irregularities.

880
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 3: Jene hopes to pressure the domnatorial candidates, Hugh Howell and

881
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 3: Ed Rivers into having their delegates name Talmadge Senator at

882
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 3: the October convention using this little piece of party law.

883
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 3: This was an odd strategy, considering that Gene was not

884
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 3: currently in the good graces of either man, but he

885
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 3: was getting desperate, and when it became clear that crucial

886
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 3: counties were going to reject his complaints, Jen began sending

887
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 3: letters to friends in the counties asking for assistance. One

888
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 3: such letter read, get all the evidence of regularities in

889
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 3: the election that you can. If you can get any

890
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 3: evidence of money being used, get this in AFFI David form.

891
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 3: We will then appeal it to the convention in Macon

892
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 3: on October fifth. Now, the counties did not like having

893
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 3: their elections questioned. Gene's accusations of misconduct were near unanimously rejected,

894
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 3: and counties billed him for the trouble. At he cost,

895
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 3: which is also a good thing. We don't see as

896
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 3: much anymore, being like you made us do all this

897
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 3: extra work here, We'll just send you a bill. His

898
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 3: appeal to the State Executive Committee was also rejected in

899
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 3: a sixty one to four vote. Gene responded to the

900
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 3: ruling by saying, the very resistance of the State Executive

901
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 3: Committee to recount bears out our contentions that something was wrong. Sure, sure, buddy,

902
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 3: of course. Yeah. As his grasps for power continued to fail,

903
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 3: Jean became increasingly angry and desperate. He called on his

904
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 3: supporters to march on the Macon Convention to demand that

905
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 3: Jane's accusations be heard. He tried to planet Jasis.

906
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 2: Man, Really, there is nothing new under the sun. I mean,

907
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 2: one of the heartbreakers here is I had thought Trump

908
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 2: was a little more original than he really is. And

909
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 2: you know, it just hate. It sucks when you find

910
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 2: out your heroes are aren't Robert Robert.

911
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 3: You know that just hurts.

912
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 2: It hurts.

913
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 3: The night before the convention, some friends of Jean staged

914
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 3: an intervention in his hotel, begging him to a admit

915
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 3: that he lost. But wow, how the times a fucking changed.

916
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 3: But supporters crashed the intervention to convince Jane to keep fighting,

917
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 3: which he did. He immediately doubled down. He sent Tom

918
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 3: Linder to tell Hugh Howell that if he released his

919
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 3: delegates to Gene, Gene would help him win the nineteen

920
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 3: forty governor's race. Now, Howell was still mad that Jean

921
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 3: had turned his back on him in the last election,

922
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 3: and it was now Howell that refused to help Jeane.

923
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 3: The convention came, Gene and his cronies were going around

924
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 3: trying to course a roll call decision on Jeene's election denial.

925
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 3: Governor Ed Rivers actually allowed this to happen, confident that

926
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 3: the result would serve Gene one final humiliation, and he

927
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 3: was correct. Jane's call for a reconsideration of the vote

928
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 3: was firmly shut down. Jane went into a tantrum, telling

929
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 3: supporters that it was Hugh Howell's fault that they had

930
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 3: failed at the convention, saying, quote, we had stacks of

931
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 3: evidence at the making convention, but they refused to even

932
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 3: look at it. The great trouble there was that Hugh

933
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 3: Powell sold out the talent which people and appoint and

934
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 3: appointed George men as delegates unquote again just flat circle shit.

935
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 3: We had, we had all, we had, all this evidence.

936
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 3: They refused to look at it. It's been stolen, et cetera,

937
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 3: et cetera. Basically, what happened here was that Jean's disinterest

938
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 3: and periodic disrespect of the machinery of party politics, as

939
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,439
Speaker 3: well as like state and county power structures, finally began

940
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 3: to damage him. Politically, what once helped to get him

941
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 3: into power was now self sabotaging his ability to hold

942
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 3: onto power and effectively navigate party politics. So after his

943
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 3: second Senate defeat in a row, Jean wished to return

944
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 3: to his comfort zone and retake the governor's office in

945
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 3: nineteen thirty nine. Gene kept relatively low profile, but he

946
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 3: would still travel around the state to speak at local

947
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 3: clubs and organizations, nothing too notable, but ensured that he

948
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 3: remained a presence to his core base at like rural

949
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 3: barbecues and church socials. Meanwhile, a loose organization of Jeane's

950
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 3: political allies spent the year quietly lobbying courthouse gangs and

951
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 3: promoting Jane as governor across the state. Ed Rivers couldn't

952
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 3: seek reelection, so Jane's biggest competition was his friend turned rival,

953
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 3: Hugh Howell, who tried to run for a third time.

954
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,720
Speaker 3: I'm going to quot from Anderson again quote. A number

955
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 3: of factors made the return of Talmage possible. One was

956
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 3: the scandalous debts run up by Rivers the state was

957
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 3: almost bankrupt. Another was the shadow of a world war

958
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 3: and the anxieties that fear produced a crisis was created.

959
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 3: There was a need for strength, a desire for the

960
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 3: simple solution in a complex and confusing world. A future

961
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 3: that no one wanted made the past a psychological crutch.

962
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 3: Gene Talmadge, the iron man of action, would once again

963
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 3: ride on to the political stage to save the day.

964
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 3: He saw no way he could lose. He had in

965
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 3: two elections been recognized as a man disjointed from the times.

966
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,760
Speaker 3: That fact that had been his strength in earlier races

967
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 3: but became his weakness, now again would be his strength.

968
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 3: Unsettled times had thrown the people out of sea depth.

969
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 3: With war threatening, they began to look for that well

970
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 3: worn path. They dug back in their past and found

971
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 3: the certainty they had been seeking. Old Gene. He was

972
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 3: their crutch in a way, only this time it was

973
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 3: war and needless bankruptcy that demanded an aura of toughness.

974
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 3: Now I find this quote to be one of the

975
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 3: more like unsettling in how it kind of shows how

976
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 3: the backwardness can like flip flop, like how things that

977
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 3: are your strength can become your weakness, and then as

978
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 3: times get tougher, that can be your strength again. And

979
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 3: considering the current economic situation, in this country as well

980
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 3: as raging wars in the Middle East. It does not

981
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 3: leave me with tons of comfort.

982
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 2: No, I mean, if you're reading history right, it never should. Yeah,

983
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:54,760
Speaker 2: but yeah, that is a particularly because you're never safe

984
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 2: in a democracy, right. The upside is you have a

985
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 2: degree of agency over the political system, but you are

986
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 2: always waiting for the worm to turn in such a

987
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 2: way that the very worst people are empowered and it

988
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 2: will always happen. Yeah, never, there's no getting away from it, Like,

989
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 2: there's no Somebody made a post on the subburn at

990
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 2: the other day where they were like, is it just

991
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 2: are we just going to every four years be worried

992
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,720
Speaker 2: about becoming a dictatorship? And like, yeah, bro it feels

993
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 2: so to homie, that's how that's that's how it is.

994
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 3: Speak speaking of dictator some of Jeene's advisors wanted him

995
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 3: to give his opening campaign speech from above the crowd

996
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 3: through his office window in Atlanta, but Jean thought this

997
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 3: would make him look too much like Mussolini.

998
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,240
Speaker 2: You can, really it says a lot about the period

999
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 2: of time that that was no longer a good thing

1000
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 2: because there was. Yeah, there were several years where they

1001
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 2: would have been like you should do it. It'll make

1002
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 2: you look like Mussolini.

1003
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I mean you're like in nineteen forty now late,

1004
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 3: it's become a little cool date Like Jane likes Mussolidi.

1005
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 3: She just knows that it's not going to play well

1006
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 3: in this moment.

1007
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 2: So intead, instead, that's what I would have said, That's

1008
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 2: how I would have taken him down.

1009
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 3: Instead, Jane dawned his red suspenders and stood on a

1010
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 3: chair outside the Capitol to officially announce his campaign to

1011
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 3: an excited crowd of supporters. To draw up an interest

1012
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 3: in the campaign and demonstrate the return of like personality

1013
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:31,399
Speaker 3: theatrical politics, the Talmage team wrote a song and turn

1014
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 3: it into a record that would play before every Talmage speech.

1015
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 3: I'm going to read some of the lyrics here that

1016
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 3: that are that are in this book. And Apple Jesus

1017
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 3: Christies are so bad, and Apple for the teacher is

1018
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 3: very fine, indeed, but sad to state, and apple is

1019
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 3: not all the teachers need, the needless of state employees

1020
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 3: and the government so wild had a very marked effect

1021
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 3: on every Georgia child. Unfortunately, these are all of the

1022
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 3: lyrics I can find. But it's just a song about

1023
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 3: how big. How about how big a government is hurting children?

1024
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 3: And this saw everyone became sick of this song because

1025
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 3: this was now the only song I would play before

1026
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 3: all of the talentage speeches, just on a loop. This

1027
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 3: was the first. This was like the first ession of hell.

1028
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 3: Like usually before campaign speeches, they had like live music.

1029
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 3: They they just to have like you know, just some

1030
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 3: some like local band would like play some tunes. This

1031
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 3: now they were hooking up a record to like to

1032
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 3: like loudspeakers and it's blasting out hell bad bad. Now.

1033
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 3: Jean's son, Herman Talmadge, was growing increasingly influential within the

1034
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 3: Talmadge machine and provided his father a newfound political savvy.

1035
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 3: Though Gene was reluctant at first, Hermann struck a deal

1036
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 3: with the Georgia New Deal Democrats for their backing in

1037
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 3: exchange for an ever so slightly more liberal Talmage platform

1038
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 3: focusing on education and the economy. The resulting platform was

1039
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 3: widely deemed the most like, legitimate and practical out of

1040
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 3: Talmadge's whole career. To quote Anderson, a Talwich victory was

1041
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:07,919
Speaker 3: so certain that the race took on a great deal

1042
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:12,240
Speaker 3: of boredom. Fistfights at speeches a common occurrence, began getting

1043
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 3: as much press attention as the speeches themselves unquote. Kind of.

1044
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 3: The most emblematic day of the nineteen forty race was

1045
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 3: on July twenty seventh. All of the candidates held rallies

1046
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 3: in Warm Springs. Gene didn't arrive on time, but his

1047
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 3: customs song blared over the loudspeakers on repeat, drowning out

1048
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 3: the other candidates.

1049
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 2: Oh Man perfect on stage.

1050
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 3: Jane's opponents took turns attacking him, with one targeting Gene

1051
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 3: for quote boasting he had read Hitler's book seven times,

1052
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 3: although he said he was too busy to read any

1053
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 3: other books on cost and.

1054
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 2: Look, I'm one of the very few people who have

1055
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:53,919
Speaker 2: read mind cop because that book is not seven times,

1056
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 2: not a readable book.

1057
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 3: Seven times. This is literally a joke in the Boys.

1058
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 3: This is literally a joke in the Boys.

1059
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 2: That's nuts.

1060
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 3: That's too many times to have read mind comp. No,

1061
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 3: They're like, there's there's a great episode where they asked

1062
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 3: their like Tucker Carlson analog, have you ever read mind

1063
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 3: comp It's like, yeah, like a few times, I guess,

1064
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 3: And they're like, there's a few times.

1065
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 2: I will say my favorite mind comp joke is in

1066
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 2: the movie Churchill The Hollywood Years, in which Christian is

1067
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 2: Winston Churchill, where one of the one of the King

1068
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 2: of England's servants sees a copy of mind comp Bias

1069
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 2: bed and goes me and camp f, what's this a

1070
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 2: gay prison novel?

1071
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 3: That's great? Perfect.

1072
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: They did that exact Tucker Carlson thing and in succession

1073
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: with with yes as a scene in succession And.

1074
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 3: Maybe this was Succession, not the boys. Maybe I'm confusing it,

1075
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 3: or maybe it's both. Who knows. I could be confusing

1076
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 3: Tucker Carlson analogs because they're always Tucker.

1077
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: It's it's always Tucker.

1078
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1079
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 3: Now No. Gene arrived late from a hemoroid operation and

1080
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 3: literally upstaged one of his opponents who was in the

1081
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 3: middle of a speech, and this disturbance sparked a massive

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00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 3: brawl beneath the stage that only got worse when Jene

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00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 3: tried to speak to quote William Anderson quote. The crowd

1084
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 3: was now full of devilment, and while supporters spoke for Gene,

1085
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 3: a car was set afire in the back of the

1086
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 3: crowd and people swirled to watch it burn. It was

1087
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 3: just like the old days. About the only punches Gene's

1088
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 3: opponents were able to land that summer were in regard

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00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 3: to Talmadge's early admiration for Europe's rising dictators. They all

1090
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 3: honed in on Gene's propensity for militaristic action and pointed

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00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 3: to where that type of action had gotten Europe. Gene

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00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 3: ignored them, unquote. The election for the Democratic primary was

1093
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 3: held on nine to eleven, and the results handily gave

1094
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 3: Gene a clear and decisive victory. Just truly, truly the

1095
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 3: worst nine to eleven. Jane got like three hundred and

1096
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 3: twenty county unit votes. He just completely swept the race.

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01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 3: Gene arrived late to his own celebration party and left

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01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 3: early to pass out in his hotel room. He was

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01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 3: getting old, he was having hemorrhoid operations. He wasn't the

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01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 3: same kind of fiery young man that that started his career.

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01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, by the time you're having Yeah, hemorrhoid operations make

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01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 2: you fiery, but maybe a different kind of fire. Different fiery, Yeah, different,

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01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 2: different sort of fire.

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01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 3: The Georgia Democratic convention next month was referred to as

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01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 3: a Talmadge orgy and was full of over four thousand

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01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 3: Talmadge fanatics in red suspenders times of Flat Circle.

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01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 1: So much.

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01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, and four thousand, that's that's not a small

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01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 3: amount for like.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's it for like decent crowd today, for like

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01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 2: for like a local.

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01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 3: For like a local political convention.

1113
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely yeah.

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01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 3: Now, Journalist Ralph McGill wrote, quote, Talmadge has something only

1115
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 3: few men have. He has that quality that makes men

1116
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 3: want to follow him, to fight for him, to defend

1117
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 3: him unquote. Now, Jean sent his son Herman to promise

1118
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 3: FDR that they were going to bury the hatchet quote unquote,

1119
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 3: and that they would be fully cooperative in the war effort,

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01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 3: but Jean's personal feelings differed. I'm going to end this

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01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 3: episode with one final quote from Anderson that kind of

1122
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 3: lays out what Gene was like going into World War two. Quote.

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01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 3: The Nazi devastations in Europe brought out the isolationism in Talmach.

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01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 3: He saw the conflict as a potential drain on the

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01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 3: American economy. There was for him, little value in foreign

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01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 3: aid taking money from the hungry farmer's pocket. Talmach singled

1127
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 3: out FDR as the main force behind America's growing involvement

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01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 3: in the war and This increased his hatred of the man.

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01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 3: He felt that if the United States remained strong, the

1130
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 3: country would be left alone. He said in November, quote,

1131
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 3: if you lead a bulldog around with you, nobody is

1132
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 3: likely to jump on you. Unquote. In the same breath,

1133
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,439
Speaker 3: he warned, quote America cannot take the stand of being

1134
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 3: permanent guard for Europe. Some thought Jean's isolationism had gotten

1135
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 3: out of hand when he wrote some highly favorable editorials

1136
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 3: about to Japan in The Statesman after that country had

1137
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 3: just killed thousands of Chinese. Japan thought it had an

1138
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 3: ally in gene and invited a member of his newspaper

1139
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 3: to quote, witness the real life and the scenic beauties

1140
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:29,439
Speaker 3: of Japan. They represent them to the American people through

1141
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 3: your newspaper. Unquote.

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Speaker 2: There's no more natural ally for the governor of Georgia

1143
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 2: than the Empire of Japan. Let's just say it.

1144
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 3: Let's just fascist Japan. He literally sent over his employees

1145
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 3: to tell no, his employees were invited to Japan by

1146
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 3: the fascist party to like give it a glowing, a

1147
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 3: glowing review in his in his own newspapers Unit seven

1148
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 3: thirty one.

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01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 2: Thing, Really, Sam's interesting, Why don't we try a local

1150
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 2: version of that.

1151
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Jene was an innocent duke who was

1152
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 3: so desperate to keep attention from leaving the poor farmer

1153
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 3: that he would even try to syctify war makers. Others

1154
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 3: saw this as indicative of the dark side of Gene.

1155
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 3: When people were calling him a dictator, he said, I'm

1156
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 3: what you call a minor dictator. But did you ever

1157
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 3: see anybody that was much good who didn't have a

1158
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 3: little dictator in him? Unquote He's not wrong that.

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01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 2: He's actually not wrong about that.

1160
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 3: I mean this is like a little yeah, that is healthy.

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01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 2: It's not just politics. Like everyone I've ever worked with

1162
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 2: who's who's a good like manager, has a little bit

1163
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 2: of that something.

1164
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 1: I feel you have to write, I feel attacked.

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01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 2: That's how movies dior. Yeah, you need a little bit

1166
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 2: of dictator. He's not He's not wrong about that, right,

1167
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 2: Like it's the same thing, Like there's a degree to

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01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 2: which you need that. I mean, yeah, like that's that's how.

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01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 1: I'm being a complimented.

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01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 2: And that's both it's accomplissent.

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01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 3: But I mean no, like this, he like embraced this

1172
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 3: like minor dictator refrain and then to conclude from Anderson

1173
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 3: quote Jane's early admiration for Hitler, the fact that he

1174
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 3: had read Hitler's book seven times, and his tendency to

1175
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 3: surround himself with huge military staffs and nonchalantly call for

1176
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 3: martial law gave it an eerie backing to his words unquote,

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01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 3: so yeah, that's Gene circa nineteen forty. He's sending his

1178
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 3: employees and I believe actually his own son to Japan

1179
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 3: as special guests of the Japanese government. He's reading Mine

1180
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 3: com a few too many times. I would say little.

1181
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 2: Six too many times. Yeah, I'm fine with up to one.

1182
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 3: And certainly embracing the dictatorial attacks on him by saying,

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01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, you, you got to be a

1184
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 3: little bit of a dictator. So, yeah, that is a

1185
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 3: big That is Gene.

1186
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 2: That's that's how I podcast. You know, a little bit

1187
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 2: of a dictator.

1188
01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is that is Gene. At this point, he

1189
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 3: is he's getting old, he's getting a little worn out,

1190
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 3: but he's he's he's still hanging in there.

1191
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, he really is. Boy, this man has some

1192
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 2: staying power. Well, he's an innovator. You got to give

1193
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 2: him that.

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01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 3: We will, we will finish this. This this four part

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01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 3: series on gene Uh. In the next episode, where we

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01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 3: are going to where we are going to discuss just

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01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 3: as as a little hint, something called the Cocking Affair,

1198
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 3: which is kind of one of the last of of

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01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 3: Jean's scandals. So get excited for that. We're gonna have

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01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of good cocking uh jokes.

1201
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 3: I guess yeah.

1202
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Speaker 2: Talk out with our talk out, That's.

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01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:48,960
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01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:52,760
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