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Speaker 2: America on the fervor that continues with Bill Belichick. We're

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Speaker 2: into day three, the Hall of Fame issuing a statement

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Speaker 2: and we'll come up with the play of the day,

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Speaker 2: poll question, stat of the day, all of that forthcoming. Well,

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Speaker 2: let me start with the Belichick situation. Nothing is changed,

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Speaker 2: going to change except for the Hall of Fame issued

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Speaker 2: a press release a statement on media reports related to

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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame's Class of twenty twenty six. This is

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Speaker 2: what it says on their official stationery. Pro Football Hall

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Speaker 2: of Fame understands and respects the passionate reaction of many fans,

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Speaker 2: media members, and enshrinement of the Hall itself in light

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Speaker 2: of published reports regarding the voting results for the class

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Speaker 2: at twenty twenty six. This is a reminder from the Hall,

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Speaker 2: because the Hall goes on to say each year, the

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Speaker 2: Hall reviews the selection process and the composition of the

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Speaker 2: fifty person selection committee. If it's determined that any member

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Speaker 2: or members violated the selection process bylaws, they understand action

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Speaker 2: will be taken that includes the possibility of such selectors

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Speaker 2: they would not remain a member of the committee moving forward.

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Speaker 2: The selection of a new class is the most important

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Speaker 2: duty the Hall of Fame oversees each year, and the

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Speaker 2: integrity of that process cannot be in question. So why

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Speaker 2: did the Hall of Fame put this out? Is that

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Speaker 2: just for public you know, the public consumption of okay,

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Speaker 2: all right, there's integrity to this process. Reminding the voters

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Speaker 2: there's integrity to this process. Let's not give information who

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Speaker 2: leaked the Bill Belichick information like hold that get out

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Speaker 2: because to me, it seems simple. If Bill Belichick was

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Speaker 2: told last Friday, he's not going to be in the

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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame, Bill probably told a couple of his friends,

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Speaker 2: who probably then told a couple of their friends, and

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Speaker 2: that eventually that news gets out. That would be the

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Speaker 2: logic that I would apply to this that Bill, you know,

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Speaker 2: reportedly was quoted as saying he was disappointed. Now Seth

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Speaker 2: Wickersham has written books about the Patriots, probably has a

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Speaker 2: connection contact with Bill. Now, once again, this is just

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Speaker 2: applying logic to this. Don van Natta very good NFL reporter,

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Speaker 2: and you know it doesn't take long to find somebody

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Speaker 2: spoken to Bill Belichick. Now you do have some writers

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Speaker 2: columnists who are coming out and saying, hey, I didn't

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Speaker 2: vote for Bill Belichick. Now if I'm the Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to hear this. Now nothing's been made

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Speaker 2: official yet, they're supposed to be waiting. So now you're

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Speaker 2: telling me. I for years I would tell you who

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Speaker 2: I voted for for the Heisman, the Hall of Fame

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Speaker 2: or the Heisman. Folks said, hey, let's wait until the

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Speaker 2: voting is over. And so I complied with that because

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Speaker 2: they didn't want me to say, you know, who I

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Speaker 2: did or didn't vote for. They didn't want to spoil,

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Speaker 2: you know, the ceremony. And this isn't the same as

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Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame, but it is in one regard,

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Speaker 2: and that is you have a vote you're told not to,

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Speaker 2: you know, reveal your votes, wait until the process, you know,

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Speaker 2: goes to fruition. So I complied with that. But now

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Speaker 2: you have a columnist and Kansas City a USA Today

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Speaker 2: columnist who were talking about if they did or didn't

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Speaker 2: vote for Bill Belichick. Now, while I applaud you for

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Speaker 2: telling me if you didn't vote for Bill, and that's

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Speaker 2: why I'm okay with that, I mean, it's your vote.

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Speaker 2: I'm okay. I might not like your logic, but it's

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Speaker 2: your vote and I respect whatever you say. However, you

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Speaker 2: came to that conclusion you're not voting for Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 2: And as I told you, somebody who votes talked to me.

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Speaker 2: That was Tuesday night into Wednesday morning. We talked twice,

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Speaker 2: and there were people who just assume Bill Belichick was

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Speaker 2: there's a lot to factor in here. But the Hall

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Speaker 2: don't reveal their votes until these people are informed. Look

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Speaker 2: the and I mentioned this because the voter said to me, Look,

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Speaker 2: it's flawed with what we did. You narrow it down

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Speaker 2: to five candidates. Now you ask the selection committee. Now

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Speaker 2: we narrow it down to three, Well, you got to

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Speaker 2: get eighty percent. Well if you get to five, why

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Speaker 2: don't we let five in? Or if you get to five,

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Speaker 2: how about the top three vote getters get in? And

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Speaker 2: it has nothing to do with eighty percent, like have

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Speaker 2: something to show for this process, and I don't know

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Speaker 2: if they're going to. All we know is Bill Belichick

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Speaker 2: is not getting in. Tom Brady was on a Seattle

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Speaker 2: snub with his former coach.

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Speaker 3: I don't understand it. I mean, I was with them

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Speaker 3: every day. If he's not a first bout of Hall

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Speaker 3: of Famer, there's really no coach that should ever be

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Speaker 3: a first bout Hall of Famer, which is completely ridiculous

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Speaker 3: because people deserve it and he's incredible. There's no coach

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Speaker 3: If I'm taking one coach to go out there to

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Speaker 3: win a Super Bowl, give me one season, I'm taking

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Speaker 3: Bill Belichick. So that's enough set. There's nothing outside of that.

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Speaker 3: You know, again, when he comes down the votes and

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Speaker 3: popularity and all that, like, you know, then welcome to

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Speaker 3: the world of voting and you may as well go,

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Speaker 3: you know, try out for the Oscars or whatever, and

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Speaker 3: you know, get a big panel to tell you if

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Speaker 2: That's Tom Brady on Seattle Sports seven ten. And this logic,

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Speaker 2: I don't like this logic. Well, Bill's going to get in.

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Speaker 2: I want to get these other people in. If you're

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Speaker 2: else Greenwood they're getting in, and Roger Craig's getting in, great,

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Speaker 2: then we accomplish something here. Now it's at the expense

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Speaker 2: of Bill Belichick. But you can't kind of brush off Belichick,

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Speaker 2: where then you have a candidate like Eli Manning and

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Speaker 2: Eli reportedly is not going to be in the Hall

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Speaker 2: beat Bill Belichick and Tom Brady. So you beat the

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Speaker 2: best quarterback the best coach, but the best coach is

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Speaker 2: not getting in on the first ballot. It's just tricky.

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Speaker 2: But there's so much attached to this because if I said,

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Speaker 2: who got into the Hall of Fame last year, we

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Speaker 2: move on, right, I don't know if we go, oh,

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Speaker 2: of course such and such and such and we move on,

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Speaker 2: and we'll move on after this to the next class.

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Speaker 2: The guys who will get in if it's Drew Brees,

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Speaker 2: Larry Fitzgerald, who else is getting in? But this is

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Speaker 2: tricky because Belichick doesn't get in. And if he got in,

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Speaker 2: now those other coaches who are waiting to go into

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Speaker 2: year at least. And you know that's where I hate

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Speaker 2: seeing that this is supposed to be a celebratory moment

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Speaker 2: for the NFL, and it's a misstep. But the voters voted.

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Speaker 2: I don't like the process of it. You have every

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Speaker 2: right if you don't want to vote Bill Belichick. You

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Speaker 2: think he's a cheater, and he's gonna I'm gonna get

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Speaker 2: you know, my pound of flesh here. Okay, if you

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Speaker 2: tell me that there should be transparency with this, just

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Speaker 2: tell me you did or you didn't. I don't like

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Speaker 2: the witch hunt, but there are people who and I

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Speaker 2: want to apologize to Bill Pollian because he wasn't sure

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Speaker 2: if he voted for Bill Belichick, which sounded a little

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Speaker 2: suspicious coming from a former Colt's front office member and

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Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer. I don't know how you forget

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Speaker 2: who you voted for. There's only five candidates there. It

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Speaker 2: was a while ago, to be fair. Yeah, well, and

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Speaker 2: if he voted for Bill, then I apologize because I

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Speaker 2: thought he would be one of the eleven in there.

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Speaker 2: Because these grudges they don't die. But it's day three.

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Speaker 2: I thought Belichick's had pretty good week, all things considered.

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Speaker 2: He's kind of unified everybody, and all of a sudden

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Speaker 2: he becomes a sympathetic figure. I told you that.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: One of the voters told me there was a sense,

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Speaker 2: is Bill going to come back and coach again? Can

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Speaker 2: we vote somebody in who's coming back to coach again?

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Speaker 2: I mean you, you just can't view it that way. Man,

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Speaker 2: he might come back, he not coming back to the NFL. Okay,

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Speaker 2: And then I don't know if it was by coincidence

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Speaker 2: Bill's not going to be able to get back into

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Speaker 2: the NFL. He's too toxic. Someone just comes out now

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Speaker 2: that he's too toxic. This should have nothing to do

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Speaker 2: with North Carolina. This should have nothing to do with

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Speaker 2: his girlfriend. There should have nothing to do with his

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Speaker 2: record at North Carolina. This is about Belichick and what

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Speaker 2: he did. I want to know. Somebody says, you know,

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Speaker 2: I just didn't like him. He was mean to me.

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Speaker 2: If that's your reason, then tell me tell us now,

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Speaker 2: nobody's going to say that, man, he hurt my feelings. Man,

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Speaker 2: if that's the case, I got my feelings hurt a

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Speaker 2: few times. Buy some by Bob Knight and Don Shula

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Speaker 2: and Bill Parcells and Pat Riley. They're still Hall of

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Speaker 2: famers to me, Yes, Marvin.

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Speaker 5: Bill Belichich should get in the Hall of Fame. He's

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Speaker 5: the coach. He's one and one as the Browns head

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Speaker 5: you way in period.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, five hundred record. Huh okay, thank you Marvin. Yes, Tom.

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Speaker 6: It's hard to quantify, but what is the exact level

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Speaker 6: have to put out a statement or writers to have

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Speaker 6: to explain their point yes or no? Like, what is

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Speaker 6: the I'd left to know behind closed doors? What was

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Speaker 6: the moment who or what happened where we got to

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Speaker 6: put out a statement or I got to let people

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Speaker 6: know and write a column that I did or didn't

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Speaker 6: pick belichant it just happened.

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Speaker 2: That's why they had put out a statement at the conversations.

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Speaker 6: But you know why, why did the Hall of Fame?

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Speaker 6: What made them decide we got to put out a press.

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Speaker 2: Release because Bill Belichick didn't get in on the first ballot.

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Speaker 2: And now there are you know, people behind the scenes

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Speaker 2: talking about this. This got revealed, this got leaked. Now

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, people are writing columns. Now, all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden, you know who did and didn't vote

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Speaker 2: for Belichick. So this doesn't happen with the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: When's the last time you went, man, there's a leak

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Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame, But you have one now,

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Speaker 2: and the Pro Football Hall of Fame wants to stop

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Speaker 2: this because, hey, the integrity of the Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 2: and really, you got to look at the families involved

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Speaker 2: in that. There's so many people. It's not just one person,

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Speaker 2: it's a family, it's teammates, front office. I mean, so

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Speaker 2: many people can be attached to one candidate. And that's

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Speaker 2: where you have to be fair to everybody here.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Paulie, when I saw the press release by the

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Speaker 7: saying we're onto something here and this is step one

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Speaker 2: I have a text into somebody I trust with the

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Speaker 2: No, we got to change it to do that way.

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Speaker 8: That's just to figure out who they're honoring in the

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Speaker 2: But you can't do that. This year we're focusing on holding.

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Speaker 8: Next year we're going to focus on past interference.

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Speaker 2: And they still prosper and they do.

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Speaker 8: Is that this like odd chaos sort of part of

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Speaker 2: What would we be talking about this week? Probably the

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Speaker 2: I think for the NFL. But you're talking about the process,

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Speaker 2: you're bringing back candidates. Nobody's talking about el C Greenwood

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Speaker 2: Once again, if you say I didn't vote for him

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Speaker 2: they cheated. If that's how you feel and you're transparent,

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Speaker 2: is this going away before we go to San Francisco? No,

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Speaker 8: Yes, well, that's one of the things that I think

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Speaker 2: The rematch is cool, but nobody that was.

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Speaker 8: There in that first game is still here in this one,

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Speaker 2: the storylines. Sam Darnold's going to join us on the

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Speaker 7: Paul Sanchez two AFC title games, Yeah close.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. Man, Carson Palmer, Nope, never got there. No,

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Speaker 2: We'll get phone calls. Settle on our pole question of

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Speaker 2: Oh you uh. Parkley a little bit later on, and

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Speaker 2: Before we get to Belichick, I had a problem with

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Speaker 10: when Sean Payton says something that ruffles feathers, whether it's

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Speaker 2: Go to neutral corners. The Hall of Fame feels the

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Speaker 10: Why, well, I don't know, Dan, And it's funny. I

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Speaker 10: And then when I saw the statement, like what is

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Speaker 10: It's a vanity license plate. I mean, it really is.

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Speaker 10: Nobody's getting a job because they're a Pro Football Hall

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Speaker 10: I can tell is they're not pleased with what Armando

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Speaker 10: So I thought the whole thing was a mistake by

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Speaker 2: Okay, but how do they change this? As one of

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Speaker 10: Dan, here's the easiest fix. They just need to go

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Speaker 2: He said, wait, min hold on, Mike, go back to it.

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Speaker 2: Just a thumb's upper thumbs down. There was no vote

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Speaker 10: It used to be. Well, no, I mean you voted secretly,

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Speaker 10: Pick three out of five and then we'll see who

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because if you get to the point where the

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Speaker 2: And as the voter said, you know, you got five

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Speaker 2: candidates that are worthy, and now we got to pick

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Speaker 2: three out of the five and they have to get

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Speaker 2: eighty percent. It's just a flawed system. Why not put

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Speaker 2: all five in if you got one from that category,

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Speaker 2: one from that category and three former players.

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Speaker 10: Here's my theory, Dan, I think that the Hall of

436
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Speaker 10: Fame was sensitive to criticism from people like Deon Sanders

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Speaker 10: that too many people are getting in. But raising the

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Speaker 10: bar when you've already had a bar here, it's not

439
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Speaker 10: fair to the next class of candidates to say, oh,

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Speaker 10: oh uh, we're raising the bar higher, even though we've

441
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Speaker 10: put all these other people in under a different standard,

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Speaker 10: we're now raising the bar higher. The only solution to

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Speaker 10: Dion's concern, and we've been advocating this for three years now,

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Speaker 10: create an upper room of the Hall of Fame the

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Speaker 10: best of the best. We have a running list that

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Speaker 10: we post every year at the time the Hall of

447
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Speaker 10: Fame and Trimeate ceremony happens, updated whether or not there's

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Speaker 10: any new ones. This year that are the no brainer

449
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Speaker 10: might drop these guys are in And the sad part

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Speaker 10: about this is Belichick would be on that list. He's

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Speaker 10: a no brainer, might drop best to the best, and

452
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Speaker 10: he couldn't get through the door the first time around.

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Speaker 10: That's what I think makes this so frustrating to most people.

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Speaker 2: But if you were going to pinpoint the biggest reason

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Speaker 2: why Belichick is not going into the Hall of Fame

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Speaker 2: this year, it's what.

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Speaker 10: Well, people don't like him. I think that's it. People

458
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Speaker 10: don't like him. He's a jerk. Is that a surprise?

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Speaker 10: But I think we need to be able to compartmentalize.

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Speaker 10: He's one of the greatest coaches of all time and

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Speaker 10: the fact that he is a jerk objectively speaking or

462
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Speaker 10: subjectively speaking, my opinion he's a jerk. Others have that opinion.

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Speaker 10: That's part of what made him great. He'd rip into

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Speaker 10: Tom Brady in front of the meeting room and scare

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Speaker 10: the hell out of everybody, and they'd all, we better,

466
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Speaker 10: we better do our jobs, or we're not going to

467
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Speaker 10: have jobs. So he's clearly one of the greatest coaches

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Speaker 10: of all time. And I think it's easy to find

469
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Speaker 10: reasons if you don't like someone. If you're looking for

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Speaker 10: a reason, Oh it's spygate. Oh he needs to sit

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Speaker 10: out of here because of spygate, or you know whatever

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Speaker 10: else they want to. Oh, look at his Look at

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Speaker 10: his record without Tom Brady, look at his record with

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Speaker 10: Tom Brady. Tom Brady made Bill Belichick. Like, you can

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Speaker 10: come up with any reason, and people just subjectively don't

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Speaker 10: like certain people. And I think that when you have

477
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Speaker 10: a unreasonably secret process where no one's allowed, it's like

478
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Speaker 10: a paper conclave. Let mean, come on, why why isn't

479
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Speaker 10: it transparent? When you take away transparency, people can hide

480
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Speaker 10: behind all sorts of things and then they just and

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Speaker 10: you don't even have to vote.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 10: That's one of the other problems with this process. All

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Speaker 10: I didn't vote against Bill Belichick. I just didn't vote

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Speaker 10: for him. I never said no to Bill Belichick. So

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Speaker 10: I think I think, and I'll defer to Armando because

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Speaker 10: he presented him and he told you yesterday. Spygates seemed

488
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Speaker 10: to be the reason. But I think that I think

489
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Speaker 10: it was just at least eleven of the fifty didn't

490
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Speaker 10: like him, and so they sunk their teeth into anything

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Speaker 10: they could to justify it.

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Speaker 2: Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk Live co host, what does

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Speaker 2: this mean for Tom Brady when he comes becomes eligible.

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Speaker 10: I don't think it means anything. Tom Brady should be

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Speaker 10: a mic drop, no brainer, first ballot, Upper Room Hall

496
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Speaker 10: of Famer, and he's in a different category. See he'll

497
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Speaker 10: be in the modern era player category that ultimately gets

498
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 10: down to fifteen when they start the meeting, and then

499
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Speaker 10: they cut it to ten, and then they cut it

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Speaker 10: to seven. And I think you vote for five of

501
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Speaker 10: the seven, just the same ideas the other thing we

502
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Speaker 10: talked about, and you have to get eighty percent on

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Speaker 10: the five of the seven. And I don't know is

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Speaker 10: somebody going to say, well, you know, Brady's definitely going

505
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 10: to get an OVO to somebody else instead, So they

506
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Speaker 10: need to get back to upper down. And if it's

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Speaker 10: a straight up or down vote Brad, I mean, who

508
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Speaker 10: would vote no to Tom Brady? To flight Gate was

509
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Speaker 10: a small blip on the radar screen, and I think

510
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 10: it was overblown. I think the evidence should have been

511
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Speaker 10: deemed to be inconclusive. And I think the whole idea

512
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Speaker 10: of treating this objective weird. It's always been in the

513
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Speaker 10: rule book. Range of air pressure Who the hell cares

514
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,479
Speaker 10: we wanted to be able to throw the football. Who

515
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 10: cares how much it's in the damn football? So I

516
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 10: think that shouldn't matter. And I also think that Brady

517
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Speaker 10: will benefit from this controversy. Be even more careful when

518
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Speaker 10: Brady's up to not step in this pile of crap. Again.

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Speaker 2: I brought this up. I brought it up a couple

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Speaker 2: of times. Now I know Brady lied to the commissioner.

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Speaker 2: That's why he got in trouble. Aaron Rodgers told me

522
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Speaker 2: that he over inflated footballs. Nobody brought up labeled him

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Speaker 2: a cheater.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, Dan, this numbers just pulled out of thin air.

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Speaker 10: It's the numbers. It's the recommended inflation from Wilson twelve

526
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Speaker 10: point five to thirteen. I remember when this first happened.

527
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Speaker 10: My wife was saying, well, what's going on with these footballs.

528
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Speaker 10: It's like, well, Patriots are in trouble because they supposedly

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Speaker 10: took air to the footballs. Well why they do that? Well,

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Speaker 10: because it makes it easier to hold the football. Well

531
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Speaker 10: what does that do? What makes it easier to throw

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Speaker 10: the football? Well, isn't that what they want? Like, don't

533
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Speaker 10: we want the whole thing is just bizarre, and it was,

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Speaker 10: and it's been reported over and over again. This was

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Speaker 10: we didn't hit them hard enough for Spygate, and there

536
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Speaker 10: was a ball of owner and others in the league

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Speaker 10: that wanted another pound to flesh out of the New

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Speaker 10: England Patriots. And the weird part about it is that

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Speaker 10: one didn't stick to Belichick at all. He managed to

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Speaker 10: push that whole thing over to Brady. So the only

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Speaker 10: thing they really have on Belichick is spygate from nineteen

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Speaker 10: years ago. And if you just if you throw away

543
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Speaker 10: two thousand and seven and prior everything since then, is

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Speaker 10: still more than enough for him to walk into the

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Speaker 10: Hall of Fame on the first try.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know if Robert Kraft is getting in.

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Speaker 2: I'm still amazed that he's not in when you look

548
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Speaker 2: at his resume. Why has he been held outside the

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Speaker 2: pearly gates.

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Speaker 10: Well, if Jerry Jones is in, Robert Craft is in.

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Speaker 10: It's that simple. Now, Robert Kraft is trying to get

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Speaker 10: in under this new flawed process, and I won't be

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Speaker 10: surprised if he didn't get in. I know there are

554
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Speaker 10: some out there thinking that Robert Kraft has this grand

555
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Speaker 10: conspiracy where he's going to keep Belichick out and he's

556
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Speaker 10: going to get himself in. I thinks it'll be hard

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Speaker 10: for any of those five to get in, just be

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Speaker 10: one at the end of the day of the five

559
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Speaker 10: like last year that get to eighty percent. But the

560
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 10: problem with the Hall of Fame is there are too

561
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Speaker 10: many worthy candidates and the process entails. It's not apples

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Speaker 10: to apples. I mean, it's apples to oranges, to car

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Speaker 10: batteries to you know. I mean, it's it's impossible to

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Speaker 10: compare all the different positions, all the different contributions, and

565
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Speaker 10: it's all funneled into this log jam that's almost impossible

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Speaker 10: to bust out of. So it's a very imperfect process,

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Speaker 10: as highlighted by everything we've seen and heard the past

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Speaker 10: two days.

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Speaker 2: Eli Manning reportedly will have to wait another year.

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Speaker 10: Your thoughts, well, I've doesn't surprise me because of the

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Speaker 10: current process and because beyond those two years when they

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Speaker 10: went to the Super Bowl and won it, and look

573
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Speaker 10: he he had two of the biggest moments in Super

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Speaker 10: Bowl history, two of the greatest throats. The throat to

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Speaker 10: Mario Manningham in Super Bowl forty six is not nearly

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Speaker 10: as remembered as it should be. That saved the game

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Speaker 10: for the Giants that day. And obviously we know about

578
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Speaker 10: the Tyreethrow but you know, when you look at the

579
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Speaker 10: balance of his career, you look at his numbers, all

580
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Speaker 10: the stuff that people get rightfully caught up in when

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Speaker 10: it's time to compare careers. Was he truly one of

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Speaker 10: the best of his era that deserved I mean, there's

583
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Speaker 10: a lot of great quarterbacks from his era, so it

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Speaker 10: doesn't surprise me. It's taken him a couple of tries.

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Speaker 10: Will he get in one of these days? I think so.

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Speaker 10: I think he should be there. Jim Plunkett's the only

587
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Speaker 10: starting quarterback with two Super Bowl wins who hasn't made it.

588
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 10: Phil Simms has two Super Bowl wins but obviously didn't

589
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Speaker 10: play in Super Bowl twenty five. Roethlisberger's got too, he'll

590
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 10: presumably get in. But yeah, I think Eli should be in.

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Speaker 10: But it doesn't surprise me. It's going to take a

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Speaker 10: little while for him to get there.

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Speaker 2: Philip Rivers get bumped back another year because he came

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Speaker 2: out of retirement.

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Speaker 10: No No, Dan. The moment that he landed on the

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Speaker 10: active roster for the Indianapolis Colts his five year clock reset.

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00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 10: He's got to wait five years. They consider it.

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Speaker 2: He could have five more kids by then.

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Speaker 10: Oh maybe head coach of an NFL team by then too.

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00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 10: I guess that could help his candidacy, But you know,

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Speaker 10: I don't look. I think Philip Rivers was a great

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Speaker 10: quarterback and it was a great story this year.

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Speaker 2: But Mike, if Mike Tomlin is, he can be eligible

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Speaker 2: next year for the Hall of Fame. Correct, right, Well,

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Speaker 2: so coaches one year.

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Speaker 10: Coaches now have to be out one year. And the

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Speaker 10: problem is there's already a logjam of coaches. Mike Homgrin

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Speaker 10: should be in, Mike Shanahan should be in. Now, Mike

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Speaker 10: Tomlin's going to be in the mix. And there's a

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Speaker 10: separate committee that serves up one candidate one So who's

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Speaker 10: going to be next year? Is it gonna be Tomlin?

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Speaker 10: Is he gonna be Belichick? Are they going to decide? Well,

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Speaker 10: you know what, if they're not going to put Belichick in,

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Speaker 10: maybe we don't put him up there. I think given

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Speaker 10: the blowback and the reaction, I think Belichick sails in

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Speaker 10: next year. I think it's a no brainer. The only

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Speaker 10: question Dan Ponder this. Michael Hawley made this point yesterday.

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Speaker 10: Will he show up at the ceremony when he gets in,

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Speaker 10: or will he do what terall Owens did and do

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Speaker 10: his own thing on that day that he joins the

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Speaker 10: rest of the immortals in Canton.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he sends his girlfriend. I would She might have

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Speaker 2: she might give a better speech than him.

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Speaker 10: Well, should Everinely be the one who presents him now,

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Speaker 10: I'd put my money on that if and when he

626
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Speaker 10: gets in and when he gets in, But I could

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Speaker 10: see him being mad enough about this that he wouldn't

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Speaker 10: show up. I still think he has a sufficient appreciation

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Speaker 10: of NFL and football history that he would not refuse

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Speaker 10: to show up. But I think he'd at least think

631
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Speaker 10: about it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Mike has always we appreciated. We'll see in

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Speaker 2: San Francisco. Thanks Dan, good talking anybody, Mike Florio, Pro

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Speaker 2: Football Talk Live co host and contributor to Football Night

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Speaker 2: in America. Yeah, I didn't think of that. That does

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Speaker 2: Belichick say, Hey, I'm not showing up. I'll hold my

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Speaker 2: own celebratory day, give a speech to the people that

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Speaker 2: really matter most to me. I'd still I'd send my girlfriend.

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Speaker 2: She'll bring a flamethrower. That'd be awesome, all right, take

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Speaker 2: Final hour in this Thursday Dan and the Dan Nets

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Speaker 2: Dan Patrick Show, Charles Barkley stops by momentarily. Don't miss

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Speaker 2: the debut of Sunday Night Basketball. It'll be on NBC

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Speaker 2: in Peacock. It'll be the Lakers and the Knicks, followed

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Speaker 2: by Thunder and Nuggets. Only on NBC in Peacock, which

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Speaker 2: Your phone calls eight seven to seven three. DP show

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Speaker 2: email address Dpadanpatrick dot com, Twitter handle at dpshow the

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Speaker 2: Seahawks and Patriots. The line is still four and a

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Speaker 2: half for Seattle over under still forty five and a half.

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Speaker 2: Charles Barkley always joins us prior to the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 2: and I always tell him, Charles, just give me your money,

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Speaker 2: because I know you're gonna lose it. But if you

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Speaker 2: give it to me, then I'll hold on to it

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Speaker 2: and then I'll give it back to you because he

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Speaker 2: usually doesn't pick the right team. So Charles will join

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Speaker 2: us coming upon pole question for the final hour of

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Speaker 2: the program.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, we're sticking with the three that we got up

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Speaker 8: there right now, right now. The biggest storyline heading into

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Speaker 8: the big game is Sam Darnold's redemption. The last place

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Speaker 8: of that is a rematch of Seahawks Patriots. More of

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Speaker 8: an underdog. Patriots are running away with that one, and

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Speaker 8: people would rather have Drew Brees's career than Eli Manning.

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Speaker 2: I think you still get.

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Speaker 8: You get sustained excellence, healthy salary, and you also get

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Speaker 8: a ring that's pretty.

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Speaker 2: Good one in New Mexico. Hey one, what's on your mind?

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Speaker 11: Hey, good morning, guys.

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Speaker 4: How are you all good?

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Speaker 2: What's on your mind?

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Speaker 4: Hey?

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Speaker 11: So, Dan, you made a comment a little bit ago

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Speaker 11: about make up your mind. Either Belichick elevates Eli or

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Speaker 11: Eli brings you down, but maybe it's both. There's fifty

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Speaker 11: individual voters in the Hall of Fame, and maybe some

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Speaker 11: of them thought Eli brought Bill down, and maybe some

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Speaker 11: of them thought, you know, it was the other way around,

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Speaker 11: and it elevated Eli. And that's why they voted the

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Speaker 11: way they did.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know who loses the credit there that they

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Speaker 2: richly deserve as the defensive front for the Giants won

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Speaker 2: that Super Bowl. They were incredible. They beat the hell

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Speaker 2: out of Brady. Eli came up with a couple of

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Speaker 2: great throws. Cannot deny that. But Eli will go into

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Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. But we're using the he beat

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Speaker 2: Brady and Belichick to go into the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, it's tricky when it comes to

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Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. Idiot, everybody has a vote. I'm

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Speaker 2: fine with your vote. Tell me how you came to

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Speaker 2: this conclusion. I don't think that's asking too much. This

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Speaker 2: is a guy who's in the Hall of Fame. Charles

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Speaker 2: Sparkley joining us on the program. How were you told

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Speaker 2: you were going into the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 12: I got a call. They told me they were going

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Speaker 12: to vote, and I got a call. It's a very

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Speaker 12: important call. It's emotional. You call the people close to

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Speaker 12: you and give them a heads up. And it's obviously

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Speaker 12: specially when you're like a first ballot Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 12: That was the disgrace. What happened to Bill Belichick first

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Speaker 12: and foremost. And let me tell you something else that.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 12: The writer who wrote why he didn't vote for Belichick

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Speaker 12: that made it even worse in my opinion, because he said, well,

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Speaker 12: I'm gonna vote for these older guys to get them

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Speaker 12: and this might be their last chance. Well, I believe this.

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Speaker 12: If you haven't made the Hall of Fame in X

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Speaker 12: amount of time, you just in the Hall of pretty good.

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Speaker 12: If you don't, like I say, it's either yes.

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Speaker 4: Or no. I think Dean said.

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Speaker 12: It a few years ago, and I agree with like,

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Speaker 12: if you have to really think about guys and guys

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Speaker 12: who've been on these committees for double digit years and

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Speaker 12: they finally get in, I'm like, I don't mean no

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Speaker 12: disrespect to you guys.

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Speaker 4: You were really, really good. You just wasn't a Hall

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Speaker 4: of Famer.

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Speaker 12: I mean, it's a very simple process in my opinion,

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Speaker 12: but Bill should be automatically because now do you put

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Speaker 12: Tom Coffin in, you put Mike Tomlin in, you put

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Speaker 12: Harbaugh in. They only won one Super Bowl. A guy

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Speaker 12: who's won six have been to nine if he's not

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Speaker 12: a first ball in the Hall of Famer. That's what

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Speaker 12: the problem arises. Now, you can't let any of those

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Speaker 12: guys in and like Mike Tomlin is a Hall of Famer,

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Speaker 12: but you can't put him on the first ballot. Now,

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Speaker 12: same thing with my good friend Sean Payton, who I

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Speaker 12: love and respect, Like, well, you didn't put a guy

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Speaker 12: who won six who've been to nine.

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Speaker 4: That's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tricky. I don't know. You mentioned Deon Sanders.

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Speaker 2: Would you be in favor of some designation or place

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Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame for first ballot Hall of Famers?

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Speaker 2: Dion talked about maybe do you give a different jacket,

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Speaker 2: maybe a different shade of gold with first ballot Hall

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Speaker 2: of Famers, or do you give a designation of maybe first,

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Speaker 2: you know, second floor, penthouse, whatever it might be.

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Speaker 12: I have no problem with that. Listen, I'm a Hall

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Speaker 12: of Famer, Dan. I'm not at the table with Michael

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Speaker 12: Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, lebron Kobe, those guys at a

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Speaker 12: different table than me. That's just the way it is.

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Speaker 12: I don't take it personally. I know that I had

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Speaker 12: a hell of a career, but I just don't.

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Speaker 2: But you're a first ballot Hall of Famer, weren't you.

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Speaker 12: I am, But I'm not at the same table as

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Speaker 12: those guys. Those guys won multiple championships.

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Speaker 2: That's what separates Well, how many tables are you away

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Speaker 2: from them?

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't look at it like that. We're just

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Speaker 4: not at the same table.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you underrate yourself.

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Speaker 4: No, no, dude, I'm very good where I was.

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Speaker 12: But I'm saying guys who win multiple multiple, like guys

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Speaker 12: who win one championship, they're at a different table than

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Speaker 12: guys who won multiple. That's no slight. Like there's a

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Speaker 12: bunch of coaches who won a championship. They're not at

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Speaker 12: the tailor at the club. They're not the same table

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Speaker 12: with Belichick, Chuck Nole, Lombardi, guys like that. And that's

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Speaker 12: not a slight their first ballot Hall of famers. But

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Speaker 12: we're not all created equal.

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Speaker 2: Okay, But it's Scottie Pippen at the big table that

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Speaker 2: you're not at. No, but he won multimon championships.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but he wasn't.

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Speaker 12: He wasn't driving the bus like Michael and Bird and

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Speaker 12: Magic and those guys were.

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Speaker 2: So James James Worthy is not at the big table.

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Speaker 4: He's not.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, So you have to be the alpha dog,

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Speaker 2: you have to be the number one guy.

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Speaker 4: Okay, but it's just my opinion. Yeah, it's just my opinion.

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Speaker 12: Like guys who are on multiple championship team who were

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Speaker 12: role players. I don't hold out against him, but they're

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Speaker 12: not Hall of Famous number one to start with. But

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Speaker 12: guys who were the man you're in, you're out, who

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Speaker 12: carried the heavy carr it the water.

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Speaker 4: Those guys at a different table.

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Speaker 2: I saw or read where you called out NBC with

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Speaker 2: this uh Michael Jordan. The interview that they did.

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Speaker 4: I didn't call them out, you know reads that way.

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Speaker 2: It reads that way that give the time.

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Speaker 4: It's like people were calling me about me.

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Speaker 2: It's a bad look for NBC. It's just a it's

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Speaker 2: a bad look.

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Speaker 12: It's a bad look to do one interview then splice

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Speaker 12: it up throughout the season.

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Speaker 4: I agree, you know, it's a bad look.

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Speaker 12: Like they couldn't fly down there once a month to

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Speaker 12: sit down with Michael for an hour.

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Speaker 2: I suggested Reggie Miller sit down with Michael Jordan and

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Speaker 2: do a couple of uh interviews with Michael along the.

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Speaker 4: Season once a month. Dan, I.

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Speaker 2: Would have gone down there once a month.

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Speaker 12: I mean to do an interview in August and splice

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Speaker 12: it up it's just the same interview in January and February.

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Speaker 12: That's a bad look because I thought it was great

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Speaker 12: that we had Michael Jordan back in the NBA. But

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Speaker 12: now you look and I'm like, oh, he's wearing the

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Speaker 12: same outfit from August. But they couldn't listen. It's great

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Speaker 12: to have Michael back in the NBA, butut fly somebody

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Speaker 12: down there once a month. Because the other thing is

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Speaker 12: there's so much has happened in the NBA, Like what

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Speaker 12: he talked about in August has nothing to do with January.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because he could be talking about Giannis right now.

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Speaker 2: He could be talking about does Lebron go back to

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Speaker 2: Cleveland and his career there?

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Speaker 4: Right on? Like once a month, fly down to Florida.

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Speaker 4: Give him.

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Speaker 12: Hey, you guys got forty five minutes to an hour,

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Speaker 12: ask him something relevant. Also, ask him stuff that's relevant

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Speaker 12: as sports. You know, there's a lot of stuff going

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Speaker 12: on as sport. Well, would you love to hear about

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Speaker 12: Michael's opinion on Bill Belichick?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Come on, yes, Yeah, But I ask you this

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Speaker 2: every year, do you want to just give me your

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Speaker 2: money that you would be betting on the Super Bowl?

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Speaker 2: Since you always lose your Super Bowl bet, then I'll

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Speaker 2: hold it for you and then give it back to

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Speaker 2: you at the end of the game.

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Speaker 12: Then, as a matter of fact, I think I'm on

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Speaker 12: a five year winning are I am, I've been, and

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Speaker 12: I'm Ryan like, right, we ride Secretariat. I've had Seattle

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Speaker 12: the last two weeks. I'm riding them until the damn

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Speaker 12: wills come off. Okay, I think I think going back

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Speaker 12: to that last game when they won, I think edcept

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Speaker 12: when they won the last regular season game. I'm all

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Speaker 12: in on San Francisco and I think there's something happened

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Speaker 12: to Sam Donald going back, remember when they had the

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Speaker 12: Rams and that that crazy game like a couple months ago.

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Speaker 12: I think something clicked in him. He's not the same

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Speaker 12: quarterback that gave him a joke the energy. But I'm

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Speaker 12: riding that damn horse. I'm riding Secretariat all the way.

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Speaker 12: And listen, you know how I feel about Seattle, the

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Speaker 12: most underrated sports city in the universe.

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Speaker 4: But I'm all in on the Hawks.

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Speaker 2: Okay, why didn't you lead the charge you get a

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Speaker 2: NBA team back in Seattle.

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Speaker 12: Well, I know they want that drastically, but I think

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Speaker 12: the problem they got man who called me.

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Speaker 4: Now let him up. How the maids are here? Sorry?

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Speaker 2: Your your maids plural?

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Speaker 4: Are there a couple? My boy Steve and his wife.

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Speaker 4: They're amazing couple.

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Speaker 2: How much money are you going to bet on the

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl?

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Speaker 12: Probably about two fifty?

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Speaker 4: About two fifty?

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Speaker 2: What's the most you've bet?

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Speaker 4: Half a million?

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Speaker 2: You lost that one.

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Speaker 12: I didn't win. I didn't win. My boy Belichick against

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Speaker 12: the Rams. He wanted me big money. Oh okay, all yeah,

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Speaker 12: they want me big money in I'm all in on Belichick, man,

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Speaker 12: he's my guy.

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Speaker 4: I hate this. I hate this the way this stuff

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Speaker 4: is heard.

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Speaker 12: It out to be honest with you, because this shit, like,

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Speaker 12: you know, you know what, it's unanimous. Everybody's pissed, you know,

863
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 12: somebody's screwed up. I haven't heard one person with any

864
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 12: common since say like this is just a travesty, and

865
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 12: it's unfortunate because.

866
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 4: The bad thing.

867
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 12: About it is what those other guys rightfully sold are

868
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 12: gonna be having.

869
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 4: Who's gonna go in the Hall of Fame.

870
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 12: That thing is that that elephant in the back of

871
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 12: the room, like Belchick should have been here, and it's

872
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 12: gonna take away from their shin and I hate that.

873
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 2: Charles Barkley Hall of Famer inside the NBA on ESPN,

874
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 2: the uh you guys talked about this last night. With

875
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:50,479
Speaker 2: Lebron playing in Cleveland, can you see a scenario where

876
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 2: next year he's in Cleveland and his career.

877
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 12: I think there's this only scenario. I think obviously the

878
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 12: Lakers are done with him out there this year. They're

879
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 12: gonna move into the Luca of Austin Reeves' situation, which

880
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 12: rightfully so, I think his only logical play is going

881
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 12: to be going back to Cleveland. Listen, I'm not opposed

882
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 12: to him getting traded to Cleveland and next week doing

883
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 12: the trade deadline because the East is up for grabs.

884
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 12: The East is one to percent up for grabs, And

885
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 12: you can't tell me if Lebron went back to Cleveland

886
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 12: right now, they wouldn't be the favorite of the East.

887
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what am I giving up to the Lakers? See,

888
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 2: I'd rather sign him and not have to compensate the

889
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 2: Lakers in the off season.

890
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 12: Well that's fair, but could you give up something to

891
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 12: help the Lakers? They got an a bondus of big

892
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 12: men in Cleveland between Jared Allen and Mobiley. Could you

893
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 12: give up one of those guys. I think your team

894
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 12: would still be just as good.

895
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 2: I think if the Lakers got Evan Mobley for Lebron,

896
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 2: they would be fun.

897
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,280
Speaker 12: Well, because this kid's gonna be a really good player

898
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 12: for the next ten years. If they just lose Lebron,

899
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 12: they don't get anything for him, it could be a

900
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 12: win win for both teams.

901
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 4: Because you know, you give.

902
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 12: Me Evan Mobley, Luca uh and Austin Reeves going forward,

903
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 12: my team is better.

904
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:22,919
Speaker 4: Yeah.

905
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 12: And but also, man, I got zero idea. I mean,

906
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 12: I know the Pistons are the favorite. I know the

907
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 12: Pistons are the favorite, But you tell me this, if

908
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 12: Lebron went back to Cleveland with Donovan, Mitchell Garland, Jared Allen,

909
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 12: would they be the favorites in the East?

910
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 2: Be close?

911
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 4: It'd be close.

912
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be close.

913
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 12: Sometimes you got to roll the dice. You gotta roll

914
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 12: the dice because because the Lakers are not any good

915
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,479
Speaker 12: and the Cavs they probably would have favorite going into

916
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 12: the season, but right now you see they're not.

917
00:48:58,680 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 4: They're struggling.

918
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 2: Let me get your thoughts on Yannis and now that

919
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 2: he wants out. Reportedly once out, Golden State seems like,

920
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 2: if I'm going to take another swing of trying to

921
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 2: do something with Steph Curry in the next two years,

922
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 2: why don't you got I think four first round draft picks.

923
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 2: You could trade Kaminga and you could throw in somebody else.

924
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 2: Maybe can you trade Jimmy Butler's contract? Like, can you

925
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,720
Speaker 2: make this work that Golden State would get y honest?

926
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 2: Or do you see him going elsewhere?

927
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 12: Great question, I'm not sure to be honest with you.

928
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 12: But if I'm I take a big swing at Yannis.

929
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 12: He's a terrific player, he's a terrific person. I take

930
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 12: a swing. I take a swing at him. I really do.

931
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 12: If I'm if I'm any team, because he's gonna make

932
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 12: you relevant because right now, Oklahoma City in Denver to

933
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 12: me are of two favorite teams. No, I don't think

934
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 12: anybody's in their class. Man, the East is so crazy.

935
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 12: Then the Jason Tatum and Elephant in the rooms. He's

936
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 12: gonna come back. That might make the Celtics a favorite.

937
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Milwaukee doesn't want to trade him in the East.

938
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 12: No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying, first of all,

939
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 12: they got to make the trade. What's best for their team.

940
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 4: You can't.

941
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 12: You gotta do what's the best for your team going forward.

942
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 12: You can't worry about if he stays in the East. Yeah, say,

943
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 12: you got to make the best because you got to

944
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 12: You know basketball is gonna be played this year, next

945
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 12: year in the UF. You got to do It's like,

946
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 12: let's say, hypothetically the Celtics offered Jalen Brown for Jannis. Hell, yeah,

947
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 12: you do that, even if Y'renis is at the same conference.

948
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 4: Jalen Brown is a hell of a player, Okay, but

949
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 4: you can't.

950
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 12: You can't worry about You got to do like if

951
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 12: we get Jalen Brown for the next ten years or

952
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:02,919
Speaker 12: I'm in Milwaukee, I'm like, okay, but you can't worry

953
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 12: about where he goes.

954
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 4: You got to make the best deal for your franchise.

955
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 2: How did you tell the Sixers you wanted out?

956
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 12: I never got a chance, man, was really funny. I

957
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 12: was on trial because I had punched that guy in Milwaukee.

958
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 12: So I had spent a week on trial in Milwaukee.

959
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 12: I was acquitted, acquitted, But what was crazy? We spent

960
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 12: the week because it was a very It should have

961
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 12: never went to trial, to be honest with you, So

962
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 12: the guys me and my attorney had wrote a letter

963
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 12: to the Sixers that we worked on all week because

964
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 12: I didn't want to alienate the fans in Philly. So

965
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 12: I got home. I got home Friday night from Milwaukee.

966
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 12: I got acquitted in the afternoon, flew back to Philly,

967
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 12: and I had made up my mind we were gonna

968
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 12: send a letter Monday morning. What's really funny, I forgot

969
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 12: that I had ordered to set a paying golf club.

970
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 4: It was on my front yard when I got back

971
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 4: to Philly that Friday night.

972
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 12: And then Sunday morning, I get a call from the

973
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 12: Sixers and I got traded to Phoenix. And but we

974
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 12: were gonna h send that letter Monday morning. So yes,

975
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 12: because I didn't want to ailiate the fans, because the

976
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 12: fans of Philly had always treated me great. But I

977
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 12: had had enough. I had went through three years again,

978
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 12: traded every week.

979
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 2: But did the trial have something to that expedite them

980
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 2: winning you out of town?

981
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 4: No? No, because I was acquitted.

982
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,399
Speaker 2: Dan, oh, I know, I know that, but I don't

983
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 2: know if you know the Sixers, but.

984
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 12: Just an idiotic organization back I mean, do we had

985
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 12: the number one pick in the draft? I think my

986
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 12: career would be totally different if the Sixers who had

987
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 12: the number one pick in the draft had a taken

988
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 12: Brad Dougherty, who I loved as a player and had

989
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,760
Speaker 12: a hell of a career. If I'd have had Brad

990
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 12: Dougherty for ten years, I think my career in Philly

991
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 12: would be totally different. But they traded it the number

992
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,280
Speaker 12: one pick to Cleveland for Roy Hampson, who's.

993
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 4: A good dude.

994
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 2: Is a good dude, but he's.

995
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 4: He's not Brad Doughty. It was really crazy, to be

996
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 4: honest with you.

997
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 12: They traded Moses in that same trade that nobody ever

998
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 12: talked about. They traded Moses to the Bullets for Jeff Rulin,

999
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 12: who I never got to play with. So after having

1000
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 12: the number one pick.

1001
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 4: I lose Moses, who ended up playing like another three

1002
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 4: or four years.

1003
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 12: So I lost Moses, who was like my dad, who's

1004
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 12: the most important person in my basketball career. So I

1005
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 12: had the number one I went to bed with the

1006
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 12: number one pick. I woke up with Roy Hampson, who

1007
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 12: good dude, and then they traded Moses for Jeff Ruler,

1008
00:53:58,840 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 12: guy never even played.

1009
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 4: That's how stupid the sitters were back then.

1010
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. Good luck on Super Bowl Sunday.

1011
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 2: It's always you, like Seattle, right, I'm gonna like with you, like,

1012
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 2: how's that too many people? I don't like to go

1013
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 2: when everybody said, oh, it's a no brainer, but you're

1014
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 2: the one putting up two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

1015
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 2: I'm just putting up something even more priceless my reputation.

1016
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you what.

1017
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 12: Sean McVay had me nervous because he had two chances

1018
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 12: to kick a field goal that would have covered the

1019
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 12: port spread. I'm so glad he went for that touchdown twice.

1020
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 12: But I ain't gonna lie Dan. I was sweating, brother, like,

1021
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 12: go for it. I'm screaming at the TV. Go for it,

1022
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 12: go for it, go for it, because if he kicks

1023
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 12: a field goal, they don't cover. And I'm like, wow,

1024
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 12: So that's gambling though, brother.

1025
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 2: Oh, I know, and that's why they call it gambling.

1026
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 4: Thank you, Chuck, all right, brother, thanks for having you guys.

1027
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 4: Be safe, Thank you.

1028
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 2: Brother. Charles Barkley, Hall of Famer Inside the NBA