1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour and I'm 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 1: Joelous and we are here with mister Ben Higgins. 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 2: Ben, welcome to the podcast. 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 3: Goodness, what an honor. 5 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know why I called you, mister, mister 6 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: Ben Higgins. 7 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 3: Respect. You just see you see me in It's immediate respect, 8 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 3: and so you want to make sure that respect is communicated, 9 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 3: and I appreciate. 10 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 2: It, truly, truly. 11 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: Well, I did talk about so we are we recapture 12 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: night one, and one thing I said was when I, like, 13 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: when I was going on the Bachelor, the one bachelor 14 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: like the Bachelor season that I heard of was yours 15 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: and it was I don't know if it was I 16 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: was the right age group, but everyone was talking about it. 17 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 2: And it also could be You're a Midwest guy and 18 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,599 Speaker 2: you were young. You were you the Were you the 19 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 2: youngest bachelor? 20 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 3: Second? Jesse Palmer was actually like two months younger than 21 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 3: me when he was the Bachelor. So I was the 22 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 3: second youngest bachelor. 23 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 4: Are you still the second youngest bachelor? Do you know? 24 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean I don't know how old Joey was. 25 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 3: I mean I was twenty six years old, like when 26 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 3: you were young? Yeah, like that's really young to be 27 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 3: the lead of a show. So I would imagine that 28 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 3: will hold up because I don't think the show is 29 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 3: going backwards to have like a twenty four year old bachelor. 30 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 3: I think they kind of tried that and stopped it. 31 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: Well, looking back on it, now, do you think do 32 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 2: you think you were too young? Because I mean, there's 33 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 2: a lot of things I've done in my life from 34 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 2: like when I was I was a trader, and I 35 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 2: was like I was honestly, I was too I was 36 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: too young. 37 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 3: I don't think I was too young because I really 38 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 3: was excited to get married. And I do think the 39 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 3: reason I would say it was I was too young 40 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 3: to be wise and how to handle kind of the 41 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 3: aftermath of the show that was kind of crazy and confusing. 42 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 3: But as somebody from Indiana, all my friends were married 43 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 3: when I went on to The Bachelor, like I felt 44 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 3: like I was never going to meet somebody because that 45 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 3: was kind of my like world was seeing all my 46 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 3: friends get married, all of my kids, have all my 47 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 3: friends having kids, and so I was really ready to 48 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 3: meet somebody to settle down, to kind of get into 49 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 3: that season of life. And I think that's probably the 50 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 3: best mark for a lead is are you actually ready 51 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 3: for marriage or not? And for me, I really was. 52 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 3: But so I don't think I was too young for that. 53 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,279 Speaker 3: I think I was too young to make good decisions always. 54 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's actually interesting because yeah, we noted that you 55 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 5: were twenty six. 56 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 4: We're like, oh wow, he's definitely one of. 57 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 5: The younger leads, like both Bachelor and Bachelorette probably, but 58 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 5: you did really seem ready. And I think it's honestly 59 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 5: rare to meet like girls or guys, but a lot 60 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 5: of guys that are like ready to settle down at 61 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 5: twenty six. But I guess it it's all relative, right, 62 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 5: Like if you know there's people in like where is 63 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 5: it like Salt Lake City where everyone's getting married at 64 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 5: like twenty one years old, and like that's just like 65 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 5: the norm there. 66 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: Like even even in Chicago, it was if when I 67 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: was growing up, you were if you were twenty seven 68 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:00,040 Speaker 1: and single, you were like. 69 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, like all your friends, like a lot of your 70 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 5: friends married like their high school sweethearts, Like that's like 71 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 5: the norm, whereas like none of my friends are married yet. 72 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 5: Kind of think being from like Toronto, really the greater 73 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 5: Toronto area, so I think like that does have such 74 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 5: an influence on Like readiness for a marriage is like 75 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 5: what is normal too? 76 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 4: How old were your parents when they got married? 77 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 3: Oh so young? My mom was twenty and my dad 78 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 3: was twenty four. 79 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 4: Oh so like I'm old, like I'm twenty. 80 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 3: I will tell you this when I I have a 81 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 3: vivid moment in my mind when I was out here 82 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 3: in Denver. I had moved here from my first job. 83 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 3: I was not dating. I really didn't have any new 84 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 3: friendships out here because I was working all the time. 85 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 3: I remember laying in the bed of the house that 86 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 3: I had just purchased for like nothing, like I just 87 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 3: bought a house because it was cheaper in rent and 88 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 3: I bought this house. I was laying in this bed 89 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 3: and I was like, I'm I'm okay being single forever, 90 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 3: Like I'm going to like I need to get okay 91 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 3: with the idea that I will be single forever because 92 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 3: I just haven't found anybody. And I was twenty like 93 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 3: I was probably twenty five at the time. Like it 94 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 3: was why I have this moment looking up at the 95 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 3: ceiling and being like I'm okay, Like I'm an only child, 96 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 3: so literally, my mom my, poor mother gets a phone 97 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 3: call from me on my way to work the next 98 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 3: day and being like, hey, I know you've tried to 99 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 3: like set me up with the dates, and I know 100 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 3: it's a thing that you talk about, and I know 101 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 3: every time I go come home from church, everybody's like, 102 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 3: are you dating anybody? I was like, I want you 103 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 3: to know that I'm okay being single and I might 104 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 3: be single for the rest of my life. And she 105 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 3: was like no, like grandkids, like you're the only shot 106 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 3: I have at this thing. And so yeah, I had 107 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 3: came to the conclusion that I was going to be 108 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 3: and then the Bachelor came up and or the Bachelorette 109 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 3: came up, and I was like, yeah, why not, let's 110 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 3: get a shot. And I still think I was cool 111 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 3: being single, but then you know that changed. I guess 112 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 3: over time. 113 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 2: How what was the state of social media? Instagram? 114 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 3: You it's so interesting, such a good question that people 115 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 3: don't think about. So when I was on the Bachelorette, 116 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 3: it was like beta phase of Instagram. You can look 117 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 3: up like the timeframe right, like it was a thing, 118 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 3: but it was never the thing that any of us 119 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 3: knew or talked about. It was I remember having this 120 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 3: conversation with the guys sitting in the living room with 121 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 3: a mansion, and they're like, what are we going to 122 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 3: do with this thing? Like only one of us is 123 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 3: going to get chosen? What are the rest of us 124 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 3: do with this whole thing? And I remember some of 125 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 3: the guys like talking about appearances, So you do those 126 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 3: like big club appearances, right, you get paid for that. 127 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 3: And then like somebody brought up The Doctors, so like 128 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 3: the host of the Doctors was on was a bachelor 129 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 3: at one point years ago, so like maybe somebody is 130 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 3: going to go off and do TV and then the 131 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 3: rest of us are like Paradise, Like you go on 132 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 3: Paradise and like maybe extend this thing a bit and 133 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 3: get paid for Paradise. We're all like, I think you 134 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 3: get paid if you go on Paradise as a So 135 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 3: you make some money doing that and then you go 136 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 3: back to work. Yeah, and then I got announced as 137 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 3: a bachelor. And it kind of in between that three 138 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 3: month frame, like Instagram really took off, kind of like 139 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 3: TikTok did, like here recently, like everybody started using it, 140 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 3: everybody started to get involved in it, and then that's 141 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 3: when like it got popular. But my first season or 142 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 3: my season of The Bachelor was really the first one 143 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 3: where Instagram or social media was a part of the show. 144 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 3: It was kind of tested during Caitlin's season, but it 145 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 3: was never like a focus point until I was the Bachelor. 146 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 3: And even then, I think, and you'd have to ask 147 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 3: the team. I think the Bachelor Instagram account came out 148 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 3: during my season, like I think they. I don't eve 149 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 3: think the Bachelor had like any type of like social 150 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 3: media account until I was on the show. That's not 151 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 3: because I was on the show. It's just because it 152 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 3: didn't exist. It wasn't a thing. 153 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was like whoever was the Bachelor at that 154 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 5: time that would have it would have happened. Yeah, them 155 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 5: deciding we're going to pivot start incorporating social media, and 156 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 5: that probably. 157 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 3: The conversation now makes me feel so old we talk 158 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 3: about social media. 159 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, but social media is still so young. H It 160 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 5: really is, just like TikTok wasn't even a thing yet. 161 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 3: No, No, I mean Twitter. So yeah, Twitter was kind 162 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 3: of showing up, Instagram was shown up. Facebook obviously had 163 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 3: its its place as kind of the thing. We were 164 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 3: doing a lot of Facebook videos back then. But you 165 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 3: gotta think I'm thirty five now, Like it's not like 166 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 3: I still couldn't go on the show. Like, you know, 167 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 3: I was doing this when I was so young that 168 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 3: even today and I would you know, I could still 169 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 3: I'm still in the age group. 170 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 5: It just if you were single, you could go back 171 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 5: on my last season of Paradise, I was thirty five. 172 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there you go. 173 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 2: I got engaged at thirty five to you. Yeah. Wow. 174 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: We we do want to break down a little bit 175 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: of your of of that night one. But since we're 176 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: on like the social media top the aftermath of your season, 177 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: how much different was it then? Because I do feel 178 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: like there was like didn't you do like late night shows, 179 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: didn't you like didn't you have the opportunity like going 180 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: like Jimmy. 181 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 4: Kimmel don't do that? 182 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't think Yeah, but I don't think 183 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 2: it's as much anymore. 184 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, So like that had always been a thing. So 185 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 3: like Bob Guiney used to go on Oprah like weekly 186 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 3: as a segment, right, So Bob Guiney was doing like that, 187 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 3: that was the publicition. 188 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 5: She was doing a segment before he was even the bachelor, 189 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 5: Like he was a contestant segments next. 190 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 3: You so loved and so known. So I went on 191 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 3: Kimmel quite a bit. I went on Kimmel a few 192 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 3: times and just kind of like more spoofy, like funny moments. 193 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 3: The social media side of it was something nobody knew 194 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 3: what to do with. So it was a lot of 195 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 3: short clips, videos, pictures. It was I guess beneficial to 196 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 3: the ratings of my season because people were seeing more 197 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 3: of the show than ever. Yeah, but I'd say the 198 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 3: thing that was different with my season than maybe others 199 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 3: when it comes to like the aftermath and the publicity 200 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 3: is how ABC kind of used Lauren and I because 201 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 3: you got to remember too, you might forget this. Right 202 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,599 Speaker 3: after my season got done, we started filming Ben and 203 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 3: Lauren happily ever after and so there's a whole spin 204 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 3: off show on Freeform which was which was free that 205 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 3: was ABC ABC Family, Yes, an ABC show right afterwards, 206 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 3: and so that was the big deal for us. It 207 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 3: was kind of the first time a couple had been 208 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 3: followed post show and they were with us for a 209 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 3: long time, I mean two months. 210 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 2: Oh wow, what was that one? Did? That was that 211 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: one season? 212 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 3: Yeah? 213 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: Because we broke up Buddy Yeah, what was Can you 214 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: talk about what? 215 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 3: Now? 216 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 2: Can you talk about what you got paid for that? 217 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 3: Yeah? I can talk about I mean it was good. 218 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 3: We both got paid as individuals obviously because we weren't married, 219 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 3: so they had to pay as separate talent. And so 220 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 3: that's what I mean. Really, when it came down to it, 221 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 3: you're like, hey, is this a good. 222 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 6: Decision to get filmed right after we just got done 223 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 6: with this other show and we're still trying to figure 224 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 6: each other out as a couple, and we live in 225 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 6: a seven hundred square foot house that that's the same 226 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:22,839 Speaker 6: house I built, And they're gonna, well. 227 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 4: Were you accepted that you're going to be singling? 228 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 3: Yeah? The one I accepted I was gonna be single 229 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 3: in It was a one bedroom, one bathroom house with 230 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 3: you know, a crew of thirty people with us every day, 231 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 3: all day for two straight months. Is this a good decision? 232 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 3: And we're like, yeah, it's a great decision. We're go 233 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 3: get paid and I'm making no money, Like you don't 234 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 3: get paid a lot? 235 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you don't get paid a lot. And then 236 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 2: like you're. 237 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 5: Coming off the show, usually with either like the decision 238 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 5: of like am I going to go straight back into a. 239 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 1: Job, which is gonna be hard to do because you 240 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: now just took off four months. 241 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 2: Yeah whatever you were. 242 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 5: Doing and you have this new relationship, like whether you 243 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 5: have a job waiting for you or not. Like going 244 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 5: back to work at that time is so hard. So 245 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 5: it's like you've just go off TV. What what was 246 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 5: the Instagram situation like at that time, Like were people 247 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 5: coming off the show and influencing or was it not 248 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 5: quite there yet? 249 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 2: I don't think there was paid ads or it was 250 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 2: like it was like new, right. 251 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 3: It was new. It was new. It was it was 252 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 3: new but also very lucrative because brands had this massive 253 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 3: budget and they didn't know what to do with social 254 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 3: media marketing yet. And then there was all these studies 255 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 3: coming out that were there's. 256 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 4: So few like you guys probably had like such a 257 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 4: monopoly on it. 258 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, So like the women from the like the time, 259 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 3: I mean I've I've heard rumors that I would validate. 260 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 3: Is like some of the women from like the season 261 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 3: of The Bachelor I was a part of. We're making 262 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 3: two plus million a year influencing at the time, and. 263 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 5: So they go believe it they would have been the 264 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 5: first cast coming off with like you know, social media 265 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 5: is now just blowing up there getting these followings. There's 266 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 5: like no one else from The Bachelor probably with followings 267 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 5: other than like this chunk of women, and they're like great, 268 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 5: like engagement high. We have way more money than we 269 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 5: know what to do with, Like, let's throw it at 270 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 5: let's throw it at them. 271 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: I heard a rumor about you, Ben oh, I got 272 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: many roomors. I remember many rooms right, No, this I mean, 273 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: I don't know how true this was, but I remember 274 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: guys from my season talking about it that you had 275 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: you were basically you had to turn down like a 276 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: one point three million dollar radio deal after your season 277 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 1: of The Bachelor with something like that. 278 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 2: Is that true? 279 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 3: I did turn it down. I didn't have to. Nobody 280 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 3: had told me. So I did turn that down because 281 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 3: other things are happening at the time that I was like, 282 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 3: I don't know if I want to go into a 283 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 3: full time job where I'm on the radio five days 284 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 3: a week. 285 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 4: Right, Well, we're filming Ben and Lauren at that time. 286 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. I was also filming Ben and Lauren at the time. Yeah, 287 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 3: So I was like trying to manage and balance out, 288 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 3: like what was life going to actually look like for me, 289 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 3: and you know this person that I thought at the 290 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 3: time we were going to get married, So like, how 291 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 3: do I stay true to all of it? And is 292 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 3: you know that money was obviously ridiculous, but like, is 293 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 3: any amount of money worth pretty much knowing it's going 294 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 3: to be the cost of this relationship? And I said no, 295 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 3: And I think I'm glad I did. I mean, you know, 296 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 3: that relationship didn't work out, which was fine, but it did. 297 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 3: I don't know what life would look like if I 298 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 3: was a radio host five days a week in the morning, 299 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 3: it would be different. So yeah, I did say no 300 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 3: to that. And there was other things I said no to, 301 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 3: not necessarily that we're that lucrative and that beneficial, but 302 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 3: you know, you are under contract for a year, and 303 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 3: when you're the bachelor or the lead, you're under contract 304 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 3: for like a year and a half of your life. Yeah, 305 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 3: And that's another side of the influencing, kind of like 306 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 3: Takeoff World, where people you know right away you get 307 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 3: off the show, and yes, you might have some lucrative 308 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 3: deals and some things come through you have to say 309 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 3: no to them oftentimes because you're still you know, you 310 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 3: still have an obligation to the show that you were 311 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 3: a part of that kind of gave you this new platform. 312 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 3: And so it takes a year and so for us 313 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 3: to say yes to Ben and Lauren have been and 314 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 3: Lauren happily ever after question Mark question Mark it was 315 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 3: a pretty much a sure thing yes, because it was 316 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 3: one of the only things we could make money on 317 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 3: post show. Here's the crazy thing. I was still working 318 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 3: a full time job while we were filming, and so 319 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 3: they would come and film at my office. 320 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 4: Oh, when you were filming Ben and Lauren. 321 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I went back to my social or my 322 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 3: software sales job for another two years post Bachelor, just 323 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 3: so I could have health insurance, and because they gave 324 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 3: me a sabbatical to lead the leave the film. So 325 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 3: I went back and film work there, and then at 326 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 3: nights we'd film the show, and then during the day 327 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 3: they would do stuff with Lauren, and then on the 328 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 3: weekends we'd film through the weekend. And it was it 329 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 3: was a grind, but I didn't I don't know what 330 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 3: to do with it. You're again, twenty six years old. 331 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 3: I'm like, what is it? Nobody knows what this Bachelor 332 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 3: thing is going to do ten years from now. I 333 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 3: can't leave my job yet. It's only why I'm getting 334 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 3: health insurance. I don't have enough money to pay for 335 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 3: health insurance on my own. So let's film the show, 336 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 3: let me work my job, Let's see where this spits 337 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 3: us out, and then you know, the rest, you know, 338 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 3: kind of settles. But it was a weird and wild 339 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 3: time and maybe one if you know, as we talk 340 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 3: about that season, I do regret that I didn't enjoy 341 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 3: it more because I was so focused on not knowing what, 342 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 3: you know, the risks were to being on the show, 343 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 3: and to what money would come in, what money would 344 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 3: it come in, that I just worked all the time 345 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 3: and I didn't enjoy a lot of the things that 346 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 3: other people were enjoying. So I was so nervous. 347 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: That makes sense, I feel like I would be exactly 348 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: the same way. I mean, it's also like you don't 349 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: want to. It's like it's like this huge opportunity, but 350 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: you just don't know what what that opportunity is and 351 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: how long and how long it's gonna last, And you 352 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: feel like you need to take advantage of of kind 353 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: of everything, But at the same time, you don't want to. 354 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 2: Do this because that might screw up that and then 355 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 2: it's a fucking headache. 356 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 5: How long after the show into filming, Ben and Lauren, 357 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 5: were you guys like this might not be a happily 358 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 5: ever after situation? 359 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 3: Good question. Well, so they asked us to do a 360 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 3: televised wedding. This was on the show, So Chris Harrison 361 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 3: flew out to Denver. We kind of did this this 362 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 3: moment where he sat down. I said, you guys want 363 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 3: to have your budding televised on national television. Obviously there's 364 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 3: a good paycheck associated with that, so you're like kinda 365 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 3: if we're going to get married. And we had already 366 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 3: been struggling for about a month, so we're in couples counseling. 367 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 3: We were really trying to make it work, but we 368 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 3: were not doing it. I mean, we were button heads, 369 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 3: and so we showed up to win the surprise when 370 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 3: he asked us. Already kind of not talking and we 371 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 3: were kind of more work associates, like we were living 372 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 3: in the same house. We weren't really speaking to each 373 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 3: other off camera because the cameras would leave a nine 374 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 3: o'clock we'd be exhausted. I might be having to go 375 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 3: to work the next day. She would be doing her 376 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 3: thing with her job, and so she was still flying 377 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 3: as a flight attendant a little bit and we'd just 378 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 3: be like, dead tired, we want to talk to each other. 379 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 3: We hadn't talked to each other really truly in weeks, 380 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 3: and so when they asked, we both went, I remember 381 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 3: the car right home. We were like, are we going 382 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 3: to do this? Because if we're gonna get married, we 383 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 3: better do it on national television, Like no question right, yeah, 384 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 3: And we were both like, I don't think we're gonna 385 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,239 Speaker 3: get married. And that's when kind and that was kind 386 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 3: of one of the final episodes, and so they were 387 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 3: kind of done filming maybe a week later. We kind 388 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 3: of tried to make it work a little bit longer, 389 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 3: and then finally it was over. So I would say 390 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 3: if they filmed for two months. About a month and 391 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 3: a half into it, we were kind of calling it rough. Man. 392 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 3: It was a weird It was a weird time. It 393 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 3: was a weird time because here's how it happened. So 394 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 3: as soon as the cameras dropped the next day, I 395 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 3: flew to Chicago for a business meeting. Sitting in a 396 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 3: hotel in Chicago, and I remember talking to her on 397 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 3: the phone and she we were kind of talking. We're like, 398 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 3: this is done, like we know this is done like that, 399 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 3: We're not We're not going to make this work. It's 400 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 3: not healthy on either of us. We should just try 401 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 3: to move on. And I said, here's the deal. I'm 402 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 3: gone for a week for work. When I come back, 403 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 3: you know, it would be really great, is if like 404 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 3: you were gone, because I don't think I can see 405 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 3: you in person, Like it's going to hurt too much, 406 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 3: Like we both cared that much still, And she's like, 407 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 3: I agree. So her mom flew out to Denver kind 408 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 3: of packed up her stuff. I went to New York 409 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 3: City four days later on on a more work trip. 410 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 3: We hadn't talked in those four days, and I look 411 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 3: across the street and there she is on the street 412 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 3: corner in New York City, randomly with Amanda Stanton from 413 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 3: my season. They were doing event in New York. And 414 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 3: you know what I did, bolted, took off there, took 415 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 3: off the opposite direction. You're like, hood up, yeah, gone. 416 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 3: She was literally across the street in New York And 417 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 3: and then I got back to Denver and her stuff 418 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 3: was packed up, and she got so mad at me. 419 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 3: About this at the time. I think she could laugh 420 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 3: about it today, but a lot of this stuff was her. 421 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 3: She had done this deal with like People magazine or 422 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 3: something and got like all the furniture in our house 423 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 3: and it was really beautiful. And I showed up and 424 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 3: all the furniture is gone. And so I showed up 425 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 3: to this little house that's empty with no furniture, and 426 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 3: I still had this lawn chair in the back. So 427 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 3: I took my lawn chair and I sat in my 428 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 3: living room. The TV was left turned on the TV, 429 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 3: grabbed the bottle of bourbon set on the floor next 430 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 3: to me. I was like, this is actually a funny picture. 431 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 3: Let me take a picture of this. So I took 432 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 3: a picture of it, talked about it on Almost Famous, 433 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 3: and because Almost Famous launch the week we broke up, 434 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 3: so I had to talk about their breakup on Almost Famous. 435 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 4: That was your like opening episode. 436 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 3: Opening up, and that was not played. That was literally 437 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 3: just some brilliance from above saying this is a good idea. 438 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 3: And so I took a picture and it's the saddest 439 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 3: picture in the world. And she got mad, which she 440 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 3: should have at the time. That was a dumb thing, 441 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 3: because she's like you've made it look like I took everything. 442 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 3: I'm like, well, it makes sense. You owned everything. It 443 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 3: was yours, it was not mine. 444 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 5: It was your right, but she had every right to 445 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 5: take everything. That was like, you're making me look bad, Like, honestly. 446 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 3: It does make you look terrible. 447 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 5: It makes you look so bad again, but no context 448 00:20:58,400 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 5: it does. 449 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 4: It was context a full makes sense. 450 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 3: And context it makes sense. I was like, I mostly 451 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 3: did it because it's like it's a great picture of 452 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 3: my life. So it's just like one chair and a 453 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 3: bottle of bourbon and a pint of ice cream. 454 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 1: The funny thing is like you were twenty six in 455 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: your house before you're going on The Bachelor, telling yourself 456 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: you're gonna be single forever. Ever, a year later after 457 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: the Bachelor, you're sitting in your house in a chair, 458 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: drinking a bottle bourbon and saying, I'm gonna be single. 459 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 3: I'm right back where I started. I'm not getting any better. 460 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're still but you're still so young, which 461 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: is which is crazy. 462 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 463 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 2: When we cut to night one, we watched all like 464 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 2: the Limo entrances. Who do you? Who would do you remember? 465 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: Being like your top It's called it like your top 466 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: three or top four that night. 467 00:21:55,119 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 3: Uh, Olivia. I think Laurence stood out to me mostly 468 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 3: because she was like one of the only blondes I 469 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 3: think in the whole show. 470 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, she was. Did you like Brenas Did you tell 471 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:07,199 Speaker 4: them that? 472 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:08,959 Speaker 3: No? I don't think I told him that. I think 473 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 3: it was just the way things worked out. Yeah, And 474 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 3: so Lauren Olivia, and I was super curious about jin 475 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 3: Saviano on that she was like very just like like 476 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 3: very curious about me. And I remember her being like 477 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 3: one of the only women that asked me really like 478 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 3: normal questions on night one. I would also throw Kayla 479 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 3: quint into that. Jojo was a sneaky one for me. 480 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 3: Jojo didn't happen for a few weeks, mostly because I 481 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 3: couldn't see her face on night one because she were 482 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 3: like a horsehead or something. But yeah, those were the 483 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 3: ones that really stood out. 484 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, that makes sense. 485 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was interesting watching back because you know, we 486 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 5: searched up just provide ourselves who your final four was, 487 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 5: and we were like, I feel like these girls actually 488 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 5: did it get that much screen time on night one, 489 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 5: which is like not always the case, Like it really 490 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 5: was Olivia had a lot of airtime. 491 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 4: Who I believe that ended up taking a left turn? 492 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 3: Was she like the villain in a way? Those girls 493 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 3: there wasn't really a villain. She kind of like fell 494 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 3: on the sword that season. 495 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 2: She was. 496 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,479 Speaker 3: She was vocal, and she had the first rose, and 497 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 3: so she was very confident. I would say Olivia was 498 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 3: not a villain to anybody, but the one thing that 499 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 3: she did have was over confidence, and she kind of 500 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 3: like spoke to that and that might have been the 501 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 3: downfall and kind of what rubbed women the wrong way, right, 502 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 3: These women never like fight like they're not fighting at all. 503 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 3: And I was proud of that. That was one of 504 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 3: the things that I wanted. So, you know, on night one, 505 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 3: you get to write your own speech. I guess you 506 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 3: really always get to write your own toast. And my 507 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 3: toast was kind of coming off of my experience. Was 508 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 3: I hope everybody leaves here at least happy they did it? 509 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 3: Uh not? Ever, all you know, one of you maybe 510 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 3: is gonna get chosen, and that I hope you're happy 511 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 3: you did it. If you got chosen, I can't promise 512 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 3: that either. Obviously she wasn't, but I was like, I 513 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,719 Speaker 3: just hope you leave here happy you did it. And 514 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 3: one of the ways that you can make sure you 515 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 3: do that is by trying to have the best experience 516 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 3: here in the house with these other women as you 517 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 3: do when we're together. So I was proud that they 518 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 3: weren't fighting. I think the show is like, we have nothing. 519 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 5: We just well, it looks like your toast got cut off. 520 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 5: I don't even know if we saw that part of 521 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 5: your toast or not, but someone like pulled you in 522 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 5: the middle of your toast, or at least that's what 523 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 5: made it look like do you remember this? 524 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 3: They probably did. I don't remember it. 525 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 5: Okay, there was a girl who like dressed up as 526 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 5: the first Impression Rose, who like cut you off and 527 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:00,719 Speaker 5: was like, oh you now, and you were like, O yeah, uh. 528 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 3: There's many of those moments. I don't remember that specifically, 529 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 3: which is wild to think. I don't remember that. I 530 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 3: haven't watched my season and well since it aired, But 531 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 3: there's those moments where you're like, goodness, like those are 532 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 3: always kind of the red flags to me, is you know, 533 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 3: knowing enough of the show. The dental hygienist who cleaned 534 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 3: my teeth on night one, which is the most vulnerable, like. 535 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 5: Crazy thing like leg on her lap with your mouth open. 536 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 5: I was like, this is so vulnerable. 537 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 3: It's so vulnerable. I mean there's those those are always 538 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 3: the red flags on like who is going to be 539 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 3: around longest? Is once you kind of see them play 540 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 3: into the characters that you've seen in the past, like 541 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 3: who pulls you first, who disrupts your conversations the most, 542 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 3: who wants to talk to you four times in one night? 543 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 3: And so I bet when she did that, because I 544 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,719 Speaker 3: think Mandy went home pretty quickly, I was like, probably 545 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 3: not for me. 546 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, Lace was Lace was kind of the star of 547 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,479 Speaker 5: your Night one, aside from you obviously, it was very 548 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 5: much Olivia and Lace were kind of the two big personalities. 549 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, so Lace was a big story on Night one. Lace, 550 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 3: you know, people don't believe me. I was super curious 551 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 3: about Lace. Lace's things seems like beautiful. 552 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,679 Speaker 1: When we watch it, it seems like like we're watching 553 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 1: it as viewers, thinking like, oh, she's spiraling, Like no way, 554 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: ben Le likes her. 555 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 2: But you can kind of tell that you're, yeah, you're 556 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 2: somewhat in She. 557 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 5: Is beautiful too, like she looks amazing night one, and 558 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 5: she's kind of got like a quirky personality where you're 559 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 5: kind of like, what is well it about this girl? 560 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 3: And you appreciate I think on the show, you appreciate complexity, 561 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 3: and she was complex. She had a lot of emotions. 562 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 3: And the one thing I refused to do was send 563 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 3: anybody home because it was an overwhelming environment for them. 564 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 3: It's like, of course it's going to be overwhelming if 565 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 3: you're like super normal here on night one, I have 566 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 3: more questions than answers, and so those that are like 567 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 3: kind of hesitant, and the ones that are having a 568 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 3: hard time dealing with the cameras and conversations and all that, 569 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 3: it's like, this is not a marker for me to 570 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 3: send you home right now. If anything, this is a 571 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 3: marker for me to try to get to know you better, 572 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 3: because of what I would hate to do is send 573 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 3: you home just because you're nervous. And nerves are fine, 574 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 3: I don't you know, I get it. And and then 575 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 3: over time it became very clear that it was overwhelming 576 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 3: to her for other reasons, and so she wasn't in 577 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 3: a healthy place to do the show. And that's when 578 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 3: it was like, you know, you need to get out 579 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,239 Speaker 3: of here, like yeah, this is not going to get 580 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 3: any better. You need to go home. But yeah, she 581 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 3: lives in Denver, and so even afterwards, like my care 582 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 3: and like love for her, like I felt for her, 583 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 3: and what you watch on TV is very accurate, I think, 584 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 3: at least in my experience to what happened there in 585 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,360 Speaker 3: real time, I've never you know, I think Olivia got 586 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 3: the raw in the deal for sure, But I think 587 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 3: we are so quick to like judge these contents Heston's 588 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 3: based on like them being different or them being like 589 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 3: not in their comfort zone. And it's like, you can't 590 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 3: give Lace the villain mantra just because she wasn't in 591 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 3: a healthy place. If anything, we need to be like, yeah, 592 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 3: she is all of us, and so yeah she she 593 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 3: She was very curious to me until it became very 594 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 3: clear that she was unhealthy, and then it was like 595 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 3: you need to go home and get like the support 596 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 3: you're asking. 597 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 5: For, right, Yeah, yeah, Well we saw Lace on two 598 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 5: seasons of Paradise after your season, so and honestly, at 599 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 5: the end of the day, she is a very entertaining 600 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 5: personality in her like it might not have been the 601 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 5: right time for her, but I can understand how she 602 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 5: ended up on the show. 603 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, we got to know more of her, and now 604 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 3: I get it when she's like all over the place, 605 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,959 Speaker 3: She's like, No, that's lace like she is. She's you know, 606 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 3: going psycho, you know, crazy like thinking about everything, and 607 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 3: she's very concerned about things, and she's very attuned to things, 608 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 3: and she plays stories in her head that are not 609 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 3: necessarily true, and you're like, that's just who she is. 610 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 3: You love her for it, but it's not a great 611 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 3: place for the bachelor. That's not a great headspace when 612 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 3: you're also trying to figure out this weird puzzle of 613 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 3: dating on nationale television with thirty other women. 614 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you remember where your headspace was once the 615 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: first episode aired and you had just done it all 616 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: and you were sitting back, did you even watch? 617 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 2: Did you watch? I'm assuming you did. 618 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 3: I did watch. My head space was in a few places. 619 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 3: One being very nervous about Lauren and how she was 620 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 3: going to respond to things. Yeah, right, And that ended 621 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 3: up being fine until it gets a little bit more intimate. Uh, 622 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 3: And like you're a couple of weeks, and she was 623 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 3: good with the first couple of weeks, And I remember 624 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 3: kind of always every week, taking a deep breath, being like, Okay, 625 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 3: we made another week. She's not super mad me yet. 626 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, but you know it's coming. At some point, there's going. 627 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 3: To be a I told true women I love them, 628 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 3: and that was never going to go overwhelm. 629 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 630 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 3: I also remember being very nervous. It is kind of funny, 631 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 3: and I kind of forgot about this until you guys 632 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 3: started talking. So I was nervous about my look. And 633 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 3: here's the reason. 634 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 4: Your physical appearance. 635 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 3: Physical appearance. 636 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 4: I always worried about that too. 637 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 3: I was like, how am I going to look on 638 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 3: national television? And the reason I was so nervous about 639 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 3: it is because the show was not nice to me 640 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 3: and they made me feel terrible going in the night 641 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 3: one because the night before, the day before, you know 642 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 3: you're out there for a week with Press. I was 643 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 3: in Honduras for a wedding the week before that, flew 644 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 3: back to LA started to like kind of press and 645 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 3: the filming of stuff, I had a stomach bug and. 646 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 2: So I have I remember you telling me this. 647 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, the whole time I was on the show, 648 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 3: I lost thirty pounds from start to finish, Like couldn't 649 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 3: get off the toilet, so talk about like having fun 650 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 3: on a date and being like, hey, I'm sorry, I 651 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 3: gotta go. You know I'm not good. You don't feel 652 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 3: very confident in yourself. All the women ended up knowing 653 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 3: that I was sick, and then I needed a haircut 654 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 3: because I was gone for two weeks. So I was like, 655 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 3: I need I really like a haircut. And they're like, Okay, 656 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 3: here's this barber at the hotel that you're staying at. 657 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 3: I said, cool, just go down and he cuts my 658 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 3: sides of my head, Like, really, you. 659 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 2: Had a fathe you. I noticed your fade. I saw 660 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 2: the man chat. I was like, that's an interesting look 661 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 2: for Ben. But you, I mean you pull it look good. 662 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I saw your haircut. I mean your whole 663 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 5: look is obviously different. Now it's been like ten years, 664 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 5: but I always just assume, like whatever. It is, like 665 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,239 Speaker 5: they're managing every single thing, like the fact that they 666 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 5: sent you to a barber with like no one to 667 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 5: go with you to like, for all they know, you. 668 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 4: Could be like buzz it like yours. 669 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 5: Like they're very particular about like the look of their lead. 670 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 4: I can't believe they just had you some random hairdresser. 671 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 3: Some random hairdresser, and he shaved it. So if you 672 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 3: look at the man chat and you're like, okay, that's 673 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 3: a hard fade, and you look at night one, it 674 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 3: looks like I grew so much hair on the sides 675 00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 3: of my head in one evening. What they did was 676 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 3: as they took and they painted this, they painted my 677 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 3: head black on the sides. So they took this like 678 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 3: like powdered spray and sprayed it all around the side 679 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 3: of my head for night one. 680 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 5: So you're already like you're probably not feeling your best. 681 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 5: I a parasite. 682 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're saying, I don't look good now, I can 683 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 3: get off the toilet. I'm sweating, I'm nervous. I'm the bachelor. 684 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 3: And so I was very just like more nervous about 685 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 3: like my physical appearance. But like, is it as bad 686 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 3: as what they told me it was? 687 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 4: And I can't believe they were telling you it was bad, 688 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 4: Like I did lie to like lie to me. 689 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 5: I have to go out there no matter how I 690 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 5: look right now, like at least let me believe I look. 691 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, tell me I'm a stud please, Yeah, Like 692 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 4: you've never looked better. 693 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 5: Oh my god, the spray paint on beside your head. 694 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 5: One more person I feel like we got to cover 695 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 5: quickly is Becca Tilly. She was a late entrance, came 696 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 5: off of crystals this season. She we haven't seen it 697 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 5: in a while. I feel like someone come back. This 698 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 5: is something I feel like that used to happen quite 699 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 5: a bit. Would be like someone would from a past 700 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 5: season would show up and be like, hey, like it 701 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 5: happened on my season, not my season, but like the 702 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 5: season of The Bachelor I was on. It happened like 703 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 5: way like Heather Martin showed up like week nine, I think, 704 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 5: But what was that like? Like you had two women 705 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 5: show up from a past season? 706 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I U. 707 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 4: The first thing you go is are there more coming? 708 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 4: And they're like, we don't know, there's only two of 709 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 4: us for now. 710 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. It was super sweet. I actually took it as 711 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 3: a massive compliment, and so I remember feeling really like 712 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 3: good about the two of them showing up because it 713 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 3: did give me some confidence that I did I did 714 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 3: really meet. I went into a feeling very non confident. 715 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 3: I'm confident in my ability to you know. 716 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: Beat up, but yeah, but don't you I feel like 717 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: you were the like the guy that like was like 718 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: unanimous like for Bachelor. 719 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 3: So I never believed I was going to be the Bachelor. 720 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 3: And I also didn't know I wanted to be the 721 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 3: Bachelor because again I had to get I took a 722 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 3: sabbatical from work. My work had to approve me going 723 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 3: again for three more months and doing this show. And 724 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 3: I was going to say no to it if they 725 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 3: didn't approve it, because I didn't want to risk whatever 726 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 3: it was affecting my ability to put food on my table. 727 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,280 Speaker 3: You asked about Beca, so that gave me confidence. Becka 728 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 3: and I had talked before. I didn't know she was 729 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,839 Speaker 3: coming on the season, but I had her I still 730 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,800 Speaker 3: have it in my phone, so she and we connected somehow. 731 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 3: We were texting and in my phone her name's Virginia. 732 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 3: I don't know why it was Virginia, but she's still 733 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 3: Virginia in my phone. We were texting back and forth 734 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 3: and the idea was, Hey, if I'm not the Bachelor, 735 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 3: let's date, let's go on a date, let's hang out. Yeah, 736 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 3: And then when I was announcing in the Bachelor, we 737 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 3: were still talking and I said, she said, should I 738 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 3: come on the show? And I said, if you want to, 739 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 3: If you think it's a possibility you should come on 740 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 3: the show. I said, I'm not. There's no favoritism here, 741 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 3: but obviously I'm interested in you and I would love 742 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 3: if we would give it a shot, if you would 743 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 3: come on. And then I didn't know, and so she 744 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 3: never told me she was or wasn't. I never knew 745 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 3: anything more about it. I said, it's in your the 746 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 3: balls in your court. If you want to come on 747 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 3: the show, come on the show and we'll try to 748 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 3: make it work. And then she did, and so we did. 749 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 3: We gave it a shot, and then she went home 750 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,839 Speaker 3: in Worse Indiana, and I remember after the cameras went down, 751 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 3: We're sitting on the park bench when I sent her home, 752 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 3: and I remember she just looked at me. The last 753 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 3: thing she said to me was you told me you 754 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 3: weren't going to do it this way. And I was like, 755 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 3: I did. I run a stir money. And I told 756 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,359 Speaker 3: her when we were talking, if she comes on the show, 757 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 3: I was like, I'll make sure that you get you know, 758 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 3: a proper like et sit or you know we're together 759 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 3: in the end, Like you've done this before, I know 760 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 3: it's a big deal to do it again. I'll give 761 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,839 Speaker 3: you that proper exit and then it never worked out 762 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 3: that it could and she was right, you told me 763 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 3: you wouldn't do it this way. And then she just 764 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,320 Speaker 3: stormed off and I was like, no, she's the nicest 765 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 3: girl in the world, Like. 766 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,359 Speaker 5: But like you made a promise that, like you didn't 767 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:24,720 Speaker 5: have all the information when you made that promision. Yeah, 768 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,319 Speaker 5: They're like, You're like, so I have to give her 769 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 5: a proper exit, and they're like, actually, that's not how 770 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:28,839 Speaker 5: this works at all. 771 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 4: Like there's a roasting tomorrow and shall we go hang 772 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 4: home at that? 773 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, to give her a proper exit, and all the 774 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:35,320 Speaker 2: execs are laughing. 775 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 3: Does this kid think he is? 776 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 1: Well? 777 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 2: Ben? 778 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you very much for coming on our 779 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 1: podcast and chatting with us. And we enjoyed rewatching your 780 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: night one and hanging out with you at Nick's wedding 781 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,280 Speaker 1: and hopefully we see you again. 782 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 3: So yeah, we'll be seeing each other soon. It was great, 783 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on. It's funny. I was actually 784 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 3: nervous to come on here, not not for any other 785 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 3: reason other than like, I don't remember so much of it. 786 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 3: It's wild how much you forget, And so I was 787 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 3: gonna I was gonna tell you. Before we started recording, 788 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 3: I was like, don't put me on the spot to 789 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 3: telling to uh for anybody's names because I won't remember them. 790 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,440 Speaker 3: It's it's in the past. But I really appreciate it 791 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 3: and it was a lot of fun. The show's been 792 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 3: so good to me, and you guys are doing a 793 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 3: great job, so keep it up cool. 794 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,400 Speaker 2: Thanks buying to all our listeners. Thank you guys for 795 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,399 Speaker 2: tuning in, and make sure you subscribe to Better Happy Hours. 796 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:37,240 Speaker 5: We have lots more fun, exciting episodes coming out, exclusive interviews, 797 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 5: and more. 798 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,839 Speaker 4: So don't subscribe. Bye bye.