1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:02,000 Speaker 1: The volume. 2 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 2: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up 3 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 2: Straight Fire, fam, It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight Fire for Wednesday, 4 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 2: September thirteenth. It's official, ladies and gentlemen, if you have 5 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 2: been under a rock for the last twenty four hours, 6 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 2: the New York Jets have lost Aaron Rodgers for the season, 7 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 2: torn Achilles. It's over, officially official. Robert Sala announced it 8 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 2: to the media on Tuesday, and it's a little depressing. 9 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: Not gonna lie NNGL as my seventh grader elects to say, 10 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 2: not gonna lie. And now we go on with Zach Wilson. 11 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 2: So I thought we'd bring on a former Jets player 12 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 2: to discuss because I know we have so many Jets 13 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 2: fans listening to the podcast. Kerry Rhodes was on that 14 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: team with Sanchez the first year Rex Ryan the defensive guru, 15 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: if you will, for a couple of years with the Jets, 16 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 2: and you know he talks a little bit about you know, 17 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: in the preseason Cary Rhodes. By the way, he was 18 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 2: engaged to this actress from Hall Pass. I totally forgot 19 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 2: about that. 20 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 3: You have to go look up. 21 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 2: She's like the blonde who own Wilson's interested in. I 22 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 2: think they got married, but they're no longer together. Not 23 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 2: that that's relevant here, but essentially, Carrie Rhodes picked Aaron 24 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 2: Rodgers to win the MVP and the Jets to go 25 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 2: to the super Bowl in the preseason. Obviously, Rogers can't 26 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 2: win the MVP. You had four plays for the season. 27 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 2: That being said, he's sticking with the Jets. He think 28 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:43,479 Speaker 2: they can make a run. And I kind of sort 29 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 2: of do too. And I know I'm a Homer and 30 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 2: you're laughing and you're like Jay mac Oh, you're gonna 31 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: get such yourself up. No, No, I'm a realist. I 32 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 2: don't think Zach Wilson can get the job done. But 33 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 2: I also can envision a world where the defense keeps 34 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 2: generating turnovers. Last year they could not. This year, They've 35 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 2: already done it to Josh Allen, and see what they 36 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 2: can do to Dak keeps him in games and luck 37 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 2: breaks their way. Last year four and six in one 38 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 2: score games. I mean, they're not gonna go eleven or 39 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 2: no like the Vikings. But what if they go seven 40 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 2: and four in one score games and then they just 41 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: got to find three other wins and there's some weak 42 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 2: games on the schedule in October November. So this first 43 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: six games we gotta get through. We'll talk all about 44 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 2: with Kerry Rhoades. Just a quick thought on the Jets, 45 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 2: and yes, I know Zach Wilson. Nobody has faith in him. 46 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 2: So many texts from friends who are like, there's zero 47 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 2: chance THATAQ Wilson's gonna make it. He can't survive the 48 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 2: Jets got you gotta find somebody. The only names that 49 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 2: reporters have floated right now, Chad Henny's the big one 50 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 2: because he knows Nathaniel Hackett system. He played behind Patrick Mahomes. 51 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 3: He's a pro. 52 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 2: I just to me, you know, can he make plays 53 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 2: if you're down three and Chad Henny's got to go 54 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 2: to length? 55 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 3: Do you think he can pull that off? 56 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 2: Like it's one thing when you have Kelsey and some 57 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 2: other weapons that he had when he had to. I 58 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 2: think it was the Jet game last year, of the 59 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 2: playoff game where Mahomes got heard it was an ankle, Like, 60 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 2: I don't I don't know that I that Henny fully 61 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 2: inspires me. Now, Zach Wilson sure as hell doesn't. That 62 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 2: being said, you're telling me we can't go to the 63 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 2: XFL and try to unearth the next Kurt Warner who's 64 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 2: gonna fit like a glove into the system. Obviously you're 65 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 2: not gonna find an MVP in a future Super Bowl winner, 66 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: but just an unearthed gem like this is what the 67 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: scouting department's for, you know, this is what the front office. 68 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 2: You know, You've got a deep roster of dudes whose 69 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 2: job it is to scout. My job, it is my 70 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: job is to come up with takes, and that's what 71 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 2: I do. I'm an take machine, NFL, NBA, college football. 72 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 2: That's what I'm here to do. And there's guys who 73 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 2: out there are scouts. Find me a good quarterback that 74 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 2: nobody knows about, or who's got some potential or who 75 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 2: fits the system. There's gotta be someone there, just has to. 76 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 2: I refuse to believe there's nobody that the Jets could 77 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 2: bring in to push Zack Wilson or provide a back up. 78 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 2: I don't want to hear this, tim boy, you know, 79 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 2: come on, at any rate, let's get. 80 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 3: To today's guest. 81 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 2: Carrie Rhoades, former NFL safety. 82 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 4: You know a guy Jason likes to think he knows 83 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 4: everything when it comes to sports. 84 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 2: I know what sports dance wants, but for everything he doesn't. 85 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 2: He knows a guy who does. Let's just say I 86 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 2: know a guy who knows the guy who knows another guy. 87 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:26,799 Speaker 3: All right, let's welcome into straight fire. 88 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 2: A guy you know who was on the podcast I 89 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 2: think last year or two years ago. He's a former 90 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 2: New York Jet obviously, that's why we love him. 91 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 3: He's also Arizona Cardinals. Carrie Rhoades. Carrie, how are you, man, Jason. 92 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 4: I'm doing well, man, I've been better, but you know, 93 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 4: doing all right today? 94 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 3: Yes? 95 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 2: So this is the day after Aaron Rodgers suffered an 96 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 2: achilles tear on the fourth play of the season. I 97 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 2: know I was very unwell much of last night. Despite 98 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 2: the win, it was great, but it's just like it's 99 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 2: a melancholy feeling. I don't know where are you on 100 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 2: the whole Aaron Rodgers has done. Zach Wilson's the guy 101 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 2: the Jets have a shot. Now, you picked the Jets 102 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 2: to go to the super Bowl in the preseason. Do 103 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 2: you still stand by that? 104 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: Yeah? 105 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 4: So that question is a hard one today, right, I Mean, 106 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 4: the mood is melancholy. It's one of those things where 107 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 4: the excitement was so palpable, it was so real that 108 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 4: you know, they kind of get a gut punch early 109 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 4: and right away. To that nature is tough, but I 110 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 4: think you have to take a step back and realize 111 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 4: how good that team is around around Aaron, And obviously 112 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 4: Aaron's did so much to elevate their confidence the status 113 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 4: around the team. But they got players, so I'm not 114 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 4: off the train completely. It sucks the excitement is going 115 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 4: to be tapable, but I think that's a good thing. 116 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 4: I think that's a good thing for where the Jets 117 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 4: are right now. They have a chance to actually get 118 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 4: right back to work and they have a tough opponent 119 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 4: coming in this week that you have to get refocused 120 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 4: right away. So the talent around, the talent in that room, 121 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 4: the head coach, I believe in. So I don't think 122 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 4: there's seasons on yet super Bowl. I mean, obviously that's 123 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 4: a stretch at the moment until we see where Zach is. 124 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 4: But I'm not off the hype train completely yet. 125 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 3: All Right, So there's a lot of layers here. We'll 126 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 3: try to cover all of them. 127 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 2: Carrie, I do want to start with Rogers. I played 128 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 2: pick up hoops out here in LA I've been around 129 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 2: guys who have popped their achilles, you know, Rogers age 130 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 2: or older, and uniformly they're all I'm done with basketball 131 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: pick up basketball. 132 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 3: I don't. 133 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 2: I tried to find any quarterbacks Rogers age who popped 134 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 2: in achilles and came back. I couldn't find any. I 135 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 2: know Marino had one in his thirties, Vinny Testaverdi, and 136 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 2: they played. But again, Rogers thirty nine turning forty this year. 137 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 2: I'm curious, do you think Rogers tries to come back? 138 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 2: And do you know any any football players who pop 139 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 2: their achilles and what the rehab was like. 140 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 4: I don't know any of that popped their achilles and 141 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 4: actually went through the rehab. I think it's obviously it's 142 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 4: an arduous task. I mean, I think you can look 143 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 4: at basketball more. Obviously that happens a lot. Kevin Durant, 144 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 4: and he came back and was steal Kevin Durant. 145 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:04,799 Speaker 1: Right takes time. 146 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 4: And even with Kevin Durant being the explosive bad thing 147 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 4: that he is and doing all the cuts, I mean, 148 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,119 Speaker 4: he's still Kevin Durant. He can still score thirty points 149 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 4: in his sleep, right, football has gotten hard. I mean, 150 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 4: obviously being associated with the Jets. I know about Vinny, 151 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 4: and I know Vinnie well, and you know, it's it's 152 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 4: a position where it can be done. I think it's 153 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 4: gonna boil down to if mentally Aaron's ready to go 154 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 4: through that just to get back to do something that 155 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 4: he's already done at the high level and competed at. 156 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: In won championship. So right, it's gonna be about the desire. 157 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: Can he do it? Yes? 158 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 4: I mean I'm not in this in his in his 159 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,679 Speaker 4: in his body, or scannedor's mind to know what he's thinking. 160 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: But he can't. It can't happen. 161 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 2: I mean, it's a guy who said he almost retired 162 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 2: before the Darkness Retreat. Then he comes out, he's like, 163 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 2: I'm ready to go, and then he gets traded to 164 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 2: the Jets. I don't know, it's kind of easy for 165 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 2: him to just say, you know what, I'm gonna power 166 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 2: down and ease into retirement. 167 00:07:59,040 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 168 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: I mean, this is a guy who every off season 169 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 2: has probably had a similar routine to get ready for 170 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 2: the season, and now all that's off kilter. I mean, 171 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 2: I don't remember the last time he missed significant time 172 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 2: with an injury, but this is essentially a ten month 173 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 2: twelve month injury. 174 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's gonna be hard to be excited about something 175 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 4: and then it gets ripped from you. Obviously there's a 176 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 4: griefing process that's going to be, you know alone, when 177 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 4: did approach to kind of this thing happen? It's not 178 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 4: going to be fast. There's no chance to skip any steps, right, 179 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 4: so you have to be really really integrated in the journey. 180 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 1: And I don't and I don't know if you know. 181 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 4: This is not even a day after, right, So we're 182 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 4: speculating on something that's obviously a big, big deal, but 183 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 4: it's gonna need time. And for me, I mean, I 184 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 4: guess for me, and I think for a lot of 185 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 4: fans obviously, it's so excited to see him step in 186 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 4: and wear that green and white and have a chance 187 00:08:57,920 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 4: to win. 188 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: I don't think justin knowing him, we're saying draft class. 189 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: I know him. 190 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 4: He's actually a friend of mine, and you know, I 191 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 4: know him a little bit, so to go out that 192 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 4: way probably wouldn't be and Aaron Rodgers thing to do. 193 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: So we'll see, we'll see. 194 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 2: Let's get to Zach Wilson, who was a you know, 195 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 2: very high pick of the Jets. 196 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 3: Struggled, gave it a shot. 197 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 2: Second year, really struggled, got benched, got inactive. Then they 198 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 2: bring in Rogers. Clearly they didn't have faith in him, right, 199 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 2: and now he's the guy Robert Sala said today, that's 200 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 2: our guy. We're gonna look for backup quarterback help, but 201 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 2: we're gonna sin Chris william with Zach Wilson. 202 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 3: I don't know. 203 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of like the Nathaniel Hackett situation. 204 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 2: He spent the entire offseason game planning for Aaron Rodgers. 205 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 2: In this offense, Zach Wilson ain't Aaron Rodgers. He can't 206 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 2: do any of those things. I just wonder how much 207 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 2: can they change on the fly. Is it very easy 208 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 2: to implement such a massive change at quarterback or is 209 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 2: this just mission impossible? And hey, Zach, we're gonna have 210 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 2: to condense the playbook. It's gonna be run passes because 211 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 2: clearly he still struggles reading defenses. 212 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be Ah, what's the strength of 213 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: your team? Right? The strength of their team now isn't 214 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: the quarterback. 215 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 4: Even coming into the season, obviously their defense was in 216 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 4: the was in the forefront. 217 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: They were going to be good. We knew that. 218 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 4: But you know, we have a quarterback like Aaron come 219 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 4: in and now it's not we have to play to 220 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 4: our only strength. You have two strengths, right, so I 221 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 4: think you take one of those strengths out of the equation, 222 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 4: you lean on your strength. 223 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: And I think, you know, if Zach, you know, he. 224 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 4: Was growing into a position yesterday where it would have 225 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 4: been easy for them not to get that win and 226 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 4: for him not to play well and him to fold 227 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 4: after an interception and just kind of retreat to you know, 228 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 4: the Zacht that we know. 229 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: But I think he stepped up. I think he played well. 230 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 4: I think he played well with the circumstances, and you know, 231 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 4: I think he has learned a lot from Aaron and 232 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 4: you know, being able to step back, start to gain 233 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 4: trust the game with himself, but not just himself, for 234 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 4: his teammates in the organization as well. I mean, the 235 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 4: things I've heard is obviously you're not going to bad 236 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 4: mouth them now because they've got to go win with 237 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 4: the guy. But I think I think he's earned some 238 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 4: trust and I think he's you know, garnered some respect 239 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 4: a little bit here and now we got to see, 240 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 4: we got to see what happens in the games, obviously, 241 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 4: and that can change. But I think going into week two, 242 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 4: you got to lean on the guy that lost your 243 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 4: trust and now. 244 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: Has a chance to regain it. In you know, yesterday 245 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 1: it was a good step. 246 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, you think he played well against the Bills. 247 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 3: I don't know, man, Yeah, yeah. 248 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 2: So they get the fortuitous Garrett Wilson touchdown catch, which 249 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 2: is a bad throw by Wilson. Garrett makes an unbelievable play, 250 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 2: and then I think it was like the next player, 251 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 2: the second and next two or three plays later, Josh 252 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 2: Allen just costs the ball up right to the Jets, 253 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 2: runs into his own teammate, and the Jets are in business, 254 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 2: and then they win with a special teams touchdown. I 255 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 2: feel like Buffalo blew that game a thirteen to three lead. 256 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 3: In the second half. 257 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 2: I don't know that Zach Wilson won that game. The 258 00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 2: idea that Zack Wilson could have gone the link of 259 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 2: the field or hell even fifty yards in overtime to 260 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 2: get them in position for a game winning field goal, 261 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 2: I had no faith. I don't know how you could 262 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 2: after watching the guy in spots for two years. You 263 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 2: think Zach Wills can handle the Cowboys could compete with 264 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 2: the Patriots. 265 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 3: Matter the Patriots are in two weeks. 266 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 2: And that was the game last year where he was 267 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 2: awful and then refused to admit he was awful afterward, 268 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 2: and Salah was like, you're inactive, dude. 269 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 3: We're moving on. 270 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 2: We're gonna ride with Chris Streveler or whoever it was. 271 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: That's right, Chris, the Chris Strebler game, he's we're gonna have. 272 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: We're gonna have a chance to see right away. 273 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 4: Right It's not one of those things where you have 274 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 4: to sit back and wait and see if you can 275 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 4: get it done. These weeks come fast, and so there's 276 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 4: not gonna be any choice for him to either sink 277 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 4: or swim. 278 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: You get the opportunity. You got the keys right away. 279 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 4: And you know, we've had all these positive I guess 280 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 4: conversations surrounding you know, Aaron, you know, tutoring him, getting 281 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 4: him ready to play, teaching them certain things to see 282 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 4: in certain situations. So you actually have a guy who's 283 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 4: been through those things to have those conversations with. And 284 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 4: just even from the press conference last night or hearing 285 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 4: Zach wilson't speak. He speaks differently, he cares himself a 286 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 4: little differently. It's not that arrogant. It's not that arrogant. 287 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 4: It's not that it's my team situation. He's one of 288 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 4: the guys, right and so you just have to get 289 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 4: to work. We won't know until we see next week. Obviously, 290 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 4: Dallas is a huge task. But but you know, and 291 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 4: we laugh about it because it is funny. It's to 292 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 4: be thrown into that situation right away. It's crazy. But 293 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 4: the Jets defense is Justice Sean, and so there's gonna 294 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 4: be a chance for him to show. Well, that doesn't 295 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 4: mean they're gonna win the game, but he has a 296 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 4: chance to build confidence against a team that made the 297 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 4: Giants look terrible. Because I don't, I know, we laugh 298 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 4: about Daniel Jones and that contract that he got the Giants. 299 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 4: I didn't think he deserved that. I don't think he's 300 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 4: that much of a better player than Zach Wilson. 301 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 2: Wait wait, hold up, Yeah, you say you don't think 302 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 2: Daniel Jones is that much better than Zach Wilson. 303 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: I do not. I think I think Daniel Jones. 304 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 4: What we saw last year from Daniel Jones is what 305 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 4: you're saying right now, right, Daniel Jones was put in 306 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 4: a situation where you had a stud running back. 307 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: The Jets have that, they have two of them. 308 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 4: They had a really good play making defense last year 309 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 4: and play caller on on in the Giants as well 310 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 4: with with Ryan, I mean with from the Baltimore guy, 311 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 4: the defensive cord thank you Martindale. And so we have 312 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 4: the same thing on defense here, you had a quarterback 313 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 4: if you tailored the game plan around. I mean Daniel 314 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 4: Jones made timely throws. He was more of a running quarterback. 315 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 4: He wasn't somebody that's gonna beat you with his arm. 316 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 4: And so you have the same similar situation here where 317 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 4: now we can see what Zach can do in this situation. 318 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 4: And then we moved there. But I don't think it's 319 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 4: that far off to think that this team still can 320 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 4: compete and play well. 321 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 2: Interesting now, you were on the Jets team, multiple Jets teams, 322 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 2: and one of the Mark Sanchez, my guy, he's out 323 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 2: here in LA he comes on the herd sometimes. Essentially 324 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 2: he was a game manager. 325 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 3: Now he was a. 326 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 2: Better college quarterback obviously at USC putting up big numbers, 327 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 2: but Rex Ryan had him game managing, hey, man, hand 328 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 2: the ball off to these great running backs, I think Ladaniy, Tomlinson, 329 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 2: Sean Green, Thomas Jones maybe, and don't screw it up, 330 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 2: don't throw interceptions. And they were able to do that 331 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 2: and get to the AFC title game twice. Yes, I know, 332 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 2: you know this is a different NFL twelve thirteen years later. 333 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 2: But can you hide your quarterbacks so to speak, or 334 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 2: his deficiencies and still make a run deep in the playoffs? 335 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 4: Yes, you still can. You can still hide deficiencies. But 336 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 4: at the end of the day, the quarterback is gonna 337 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 4: have to win a couple of games for you. And 338 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 4: that's what happens. 339 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: Right. 340 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 4: We got to the AFC Championship Game twice, one time 341 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 4: with me there, and that was Mark Sanchez's job. 342 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: Don't don't move the game. We're gonna be in the game. 343 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 4: We're gonna have a chance to compete in most of 344 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 4: these in all these games with our defense and our 345 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 4: special teams. And so Zach Wilson's putting in a similar situation. 346 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 4: But he's gonna have to progress and he's gonna have 347 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 4: to be able to win some games when things get 348 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 4: rocket because the defense is going to have some games 349 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 4: where things aren't working for them either, and so can 350 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 4: he overcome some of those instances. But it's gonna be 351 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 4: It's gonna be interesting, man, I really I love the 352 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 4: underdog stories. I love stories where guys have a chance 353 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 4: to you know, they've been knocked down and got a 354 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 4: chance to get back up. 355 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: And this is his moment right away. 356 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 4: I mean a little bit sooner than we thought, but 357 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 4: it's here, it's their reality, and now it's time to go. 358 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 2: That's a great point. I want to drill down on 359 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 2: Zach Wilson. I know this is probably gonna be too 360 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 2: nerdy for some people, but yeah, yeah, I was talking 361 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 2: to Sanchez about it and he's like, listen, we're in 362 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 2: year three and it doesn't look like Zach Wilson can 363 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 2: read his own defense. In against the Buffalo Bill's man defense, 364 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 2: he made a couple throws. 365 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 3: You know, Garrett Wilson could win one on one. 366 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 2: Zach's got a hose. He could make things happen. But 367 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 2: against the zone, he's not processing quick enough. He's making mistakes. Yeah, 368 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 2: and I start to look at dan Quinn in Dallas. 369 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 3: What does dan Quinn do? Will a lot of cover one. 370 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 2: A lot of man, a lot of cover three zone, 371 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 2: and it's like, okay, well, Zach's gonna be facing a 372 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 2: potentially elite defense with a lot of zone. How do 373 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 2: the Jets approach this game? Carry from an offensive standpoint? 374 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 2: Is this simply you can't just say let's run the ball. 375 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 2: You can't just say run, run, run. 376 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 3: That's not gonna work. Dallas too good. 377 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, but is there an offense you can work with 378 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 2: Wilson maybe some short, quick first down throws to make 379 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 2: it manageable second downs? What can you do because you 380 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 2: don't want to make the mistakes. 381 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it right there. 382 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 4: I mean a lot of times when you go into 383 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 4: these games where you're playing against good defenses, you want 384 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 4: to put them. You want to put them in a 385 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 4: buying where you're able to get positive yards, positive games 386 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 4: on first down to make the rest of the game easy. 387 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 4: You know, I think the touchdown Opacity threw was a run, right. 388 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 4: So as an RPO option, you get to have a 389 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 4: chance to put these guys and put these dbs in 390 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 4: one on one situations where Jets have playmakers. So if 391 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 4: he's able to get these second and mediums and third 392 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 4: and short and have a chance to prolong these drives, 393 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 4: and they will have a chance. 394 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: And so if they get behind early, it's going to 395 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: be ugly. 396 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:08,719 Speaker 4: But if they can keep the game tight in the beginning, 397 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 4: maybe get a you know, one crazy score to kind 398 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 4: of get the lead and get the cow get the 399 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 4: Cowboys in a different game, then that's a different store 400 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:18,719 Speaker 4: for us. 401 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, dek Prescott playing from with the lead. I mean 402 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 2: he was okay against the Giants. Remember he led the 403 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 2: league in picks last year and he still missed what 404 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 2: five games? So I'm not this like Jets are in 405 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 2: deep trouble. The line looks like it's nine and a half, 406 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 2: but it's all about Wilson, and I think it's a 407 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 2: bit of an overreaction. So you're with the Jets front 408 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 2: office carry and we're kicking around names. Okay, guys, we 409 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 2: got to get a backup quarterback for Zach. A veteran, 410 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 2: somebody who's proven they can be in some battles, Somebody 411 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 2: who we could trust if Zach is vomiting all over himself. 412 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 2: Is there any veteran out there A that you would 413 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 2: sign or B that you would consider trading for? 414 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: Oh, trading, I don't see that happening. 415 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 4: I think it will take too much time for the 416 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 4: guy to get in a graded into the system. 417 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: You could, you can be you can you can have 418 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: a guy. 419 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 4: That has seen the game and cann't give him pointers, 420 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 4: but it's it wouldn't I don't think it'll help immensely. 421 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 4: I think a guy name out there I've heard and 422 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 4: I've seen I would kick the tires maybe on a Henny. 423 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 4: Henny came in in Kansas, you know, Kansas City when 424 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 4: Mahomes went down, and he knows Hackett system. I mean, 425 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 4: so all these things kind of play into the you know, 426 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 4: playing to the Jets favor if that's somebody they wanted 427 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 4: to check out, and look. 428 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: At any of the other names. 429 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 4: Matt Ryan, I wouldn't really trust him in that system. 430 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 1: He can't move. He can't move, and so it wouldn't be. 431 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 4: It wouldn't be. It wouldn't be a fun option. It's 432 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 4: a name, you know, and it would be some interest there, 433 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 4: I'm sure. But yeah, I think a guy, my perfect 434 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 4: guy to come in and back him up a little 435 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 4: bit and actually knows the offense would be like. 436 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 2: A Chad Henne Tony from Hackett system. Let me quickly 437 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 2: go macro in the league. So the Bengals lose, they 438 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 2: look terrible. The Chiefs lose, but they didn't have Kelsey 439 00:19:58,320 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 2: and Jones. It looks like both of them are back. 440 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 2: Who there was another team, Well, the Eagles kind of 441 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 2: scuffled a little bit there against the Patriots offensively at least, 442 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 2: but some of the better teams chargers. So people like 443 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 2: a lot defense just got shredded. I don't know any 444 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 2: major surprises week one or you just like, hey, it 445 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 2: is a seventeen game season. 446 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 3: Let's take our time. 447 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 2: Week one doesn't mean Jack squat which side of the 448 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 2: fence do you want? 449 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 4: Well, the one thing that stuck out to me, but 450 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 4: I'd already called their demise anyway, was was the Bills. 451 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 4: Huh Yeah, I don't really I'm not high on the Bills. 452 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 4: I think I mean, I think they can make the playoffs, 453 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 4: and that's you know, that's a possibility, but I don't 454 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 4: I think they take a step back and with you know, 455 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 4: come into the season with the healthy Aaron Rodgers. I 456 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 4: had them third in the division, and so I mean 457 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 4: to kind of acknowledge it and see it or see 458 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 4: the product on the field. After the offseason it kind 459 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 4: of my speculation felt correct. 460 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: There's something awful with them. 461 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 4: And it's also once you get to a point of 462 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 4: contending for a long time and you don't like get 463 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 4: over that hump. There are egos that come into play, right, 464 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 4: and so you know, people want to get paid, people 465 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 4: think they deserve more times, people think they deserve the 466 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 4: ball more. All these things are are real problems that 467 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 4: arise when you start to win and you don't get 468 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 4: over that hump because you kind of went, you know, 469 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,199 Speaker 4: you kind of roll that wave, and you know, some 470 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 4: things kind of go under the radar. You don't worry 471 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 4: about your money as much. You don't worry about certain 472 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 4: things when you're winning a lot of times. 473 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 1: But when you know, when. 474 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 4: Things start to hit the fan a little bit there, 475 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 4: then it's like, all right, I gotta get in mind, 476 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 4: or I need to do something more to help, or 477 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 4: I need to do this. And you can see Josh 478 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 4: Allen yesterday right like trying to do way too much. 479 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 4: I mean, they were the better team at that point 480 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 4: when Aaron Rodgers was out right in theory, and then 481 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 4: you see him still pressing and do these things that 482 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 4: just doesn't that isn't really called for it, and so 483 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 4: it's it's I think they would be the one. But yeah, 484 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 4: it's only a week one. I mean, things are gonna 485 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 4: play itself out. But yeah, the Bills kind of fit 486 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 4: the bill, so to speak when I when I saw 487 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 4: them tether that. 488 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 3: Uh, I know it is just one week. 489 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 2: But now we've got last season and then and then 490 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 2: the great performance against Buffalo. I think they've sacked Josh 491 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 2: Allen thirteen times in the three games. Which defense you got, 492 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 2: the one you were on with Reeves and Rex Ryan 493 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 2: running the show or the current one with Sauce Gardner, who, 494 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 2: by the way, did not have a great opening night. 495 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 2: Dix beat him I think three or four times. No 496 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 2: massive plays, but you know, gave up some catches and 497 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 2: Quentin Williams and what appears to be a really nasty, 498 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 2: fast defense. 499 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 4: That's a great question. I'm gonna take mine right just 500 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 4: right now, right now, right now. I've seen these the 501 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 4: deaths gonna they're gonna have to be the Monsters of 502 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 4: the Midway and all these all these things, and they 503 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 4: got the potential. 504 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: I mean, Quentin Williams is a beast. 505 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 4: He just disrupted so much yesterday and you know, they 506 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 4: got play makers on all levels. I mean to see Jordan, 507 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 4: you know Whitehead do what he did yesterday was impressive. 508 00:22:54,880 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 4: And you know they got players. Our team had more names, 509 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 4: so to speak. At the you know that had I 510 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 4: guess built up some acumen throughout their career on that 511 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 4: one instance of that of a team to have, you know, success, 512 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 4: and we knew we were and they do too. I 513 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 4: can tell that they're super confident. They believe in themselves, 514 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 4: but they got to prove it a little bit more 515 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 4: one more. If they do it again this year, then 516 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 4: I may pass the torch. But right now it's definitely 517 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 4: leaning with us. 518 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember were you on the first year 519 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 2: with Sanchez or the second because the second season I'll 520 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 2: never forget the playoff wins back to back beating Peyton 521 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 2: and Brady. I think the year before you guys lost 522 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 2: to the Colts. Yes, it kind of got smashed in 523 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 2: the area. It was the AFC title game. 524 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, yeah, yeah, we. 525 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 4: That game we got smashed, but going into halftime we 526 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 4: were up three, So you think about it, it wasn't 527 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 4: It wasn't as bad as we think. It kind of 528 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 4: you know, snowball in the second half. Peyton was Peyton. 529 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 4: He played brilliant in the second half. But no, we 530 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 4: were up at the half, and we were really confident 531 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 4: about that, I mean about winning that game. They went 532 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 4: to the championship, and so I mean, I think that 533 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 4: year we beat Carson Palmer, we beat Philip Rivers, and 534 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 4: so we had we beat some pretty good quarterbacks as well, 535 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 4: and I mean we really thought that game was ours. 536 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 2: Hey wait, if memory serves, did you guys play the 537 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 2: Bengals in the final game of the season and then 538 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 2: right back again the next. 539 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: Week we did. They couldn't beat us. 540 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 4: They could have beat us in that game and we 541 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 4: wouldn't ben made the playoffs, and so they decided to 542 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 4: play their guys only a little bit, I think, maybe 543 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 4: up into halftime because they probably thought they wanted us 544 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 4: at that point, right, And so yeah, we beat them 545 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 4: pretty handily in that game and came back in the playoffs. 546 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 4: It was a pretty close game, but I mean, we 547 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 4: knew we'd beat them. They they weren't going to be 548 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 4: ready for that moment after the confidence they gave us. 549 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 4: So yeah, it was a little bit of they thought 550 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 4: they had us, but no, it wasn't. 551 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: They wouldn't have. 552 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 2: Got us that game, and I think I'm not one 553 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 2: hundred percent sure. The Chargers game was the one where 554 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 2: Antonio Crowmarti was on the Chargers, and I don't know 555 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 2: if you remember, there was a couple of plays where 556 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 2: he just didn't want to make tackles. Do you do 557 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 2: you remember this? I remember, I've seen the highlights a 558 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 2: billion times. 559 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, I mean I wouldn't a 560 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 4: lot of people wouldn't have wanted to make that talk 561 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:17,199 Speaker 4: on Sean Green and the whole and fast too, but 562 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 4: you know, like just powerful. But yeah, no, I remember 563 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 4: the game. Camartie was definitely not trying to stick his 564 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 4: head in and that was the one he broke, the 565 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 4: long one on Sean. 566 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was that was all game plan too. 567 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, go right at him. I mean he does. 568 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 2: He's what they like to call a pile inspector to 569 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 2: show up at the very end and it's like, oh yeah, hey, 570 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 2: hey I'm here, I'm here, I made it when it's 571 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't mean to come off the top 572 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 2: rope on crow Crow because I've sat on the set 573 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 2: with him. He's a nice guy. I just joke, all right, Carrie, Rhoades, 574 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 2: former NFL safety carry thanks a lot for taking the time. 575 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 2: And uh, you know, Jets, Cowboys, Jets, Patriots, Jets, Chiefs 576 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 2: like this this is a this is a gauntlet for 577 00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 2: Zach Wilson, Like you're just throwing right in the mix. 578 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 2: I think if they can get to three and three, 579 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 2: I think they will make the playoffs. Now, I don't 580 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 2: know if they get to three and three. There's also 581 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 2: the Eagles in like Week six, and it's just a 582 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 2: tough schedule. 583 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, they got a chance. I mean, the Patriots is 584 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 4: gonna be tough. It's always it's always tough. Cowboys, I'm 585 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 4: not thinking. I'm not completely sold that they're going to 586 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 4: lose that game yet. And so, uh, I could say 587 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 4: them being three and three because I yeah, I think 588 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 4: that's fair, but I wouldn't be surprised if they're four 589 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 4: and two. 590 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: But so watch watch out on that. 591 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,439 Speaker 2: Wow, if they go four to that would be. 592 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: All right. 593 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 2: Kerry, thanks an no problem 594 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: But I have a good one.