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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM.

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Speaker 2: On iHeartRadio Coast to Coast AM our guest Jay Wider,

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Speaker 2: he believes that the moon landing's happened at some point,

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Speaker 2: but the video you see completely done by Stanley Kubrick

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Speaker 2: back in the nineteen sixties and maybe even subsequent missions,

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Speaker 2: is he got a a bigger budget and some better

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Speaker 2: special effects. And then we started talking about the shining

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Speaker 2: in how that was a confession of sorts from Stanley Kubrick.

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Speaker 2: And one of the things that struck me when I

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Speaker 2: was watching the documentary is when they first go to

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Speaker 2: the hotel and Jack Nicholson is getting his assignment to

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Speaker 2: watch the hotel, the guy at the other end of

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Speaker 2: the desk kind of looks like, Kennedy, you want to

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Speaker 2: speak to that a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, so when a lot of people don't realize that.

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Speaker 3: When Spartacus, Stanley Kubrick's film was released in nineteen sixty two,

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Speaker 3: a lot of people were criticizing it from the right

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Speaker 3: wing for being a left wing film, and so it

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Speaker 3: was kind of when it started out, Spartacus was kind

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Speaker 3: of wavering and its support and then Kennedy went to

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Speaker 3: see Spartacus, and then he came out and said, no,

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Speaker 3: Spartacus is a great film and made Spartacus one of

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Speaker 3: Cubic's biggest hits. And so Kubrick kind of owed Kennedy

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Speaker 3: a lot. But I think that Kennedy also was discussing,

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Speaker 3: you know, how to do things with Kubrick. We know

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Speaker 3: that Kubrick was recruited by the Department of Information early

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Speaker 3: in the nineteen sixties to do some kind of unknown work.

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Speaker 3: The thing is is that in nineteen sixty three nineteen

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Speaker 3: sixty four, it was kind of well known in the

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Speaker 3: film making community that Kubrick was the next dude. His

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Speaker 3: film Pathsive Glory, Lolita, Spartacus, Doctor Strange Love. They were,

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Speaker 3: you know, in the film community. They were like, Wow,

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Speaker 3: this is the guy. And the US government noticed it

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Speaker 3: and brought him in. And there's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 3: He's always had really deep relations with the military industrial complex.

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Speaker 3: Arthur C. Clark was his co writer of two thousand and one,

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Speaker 3: and he was way deep into the whole military industrial complex,

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Speaker 3: and Kubrick was just the perfect guy to recruit to

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Speaker 3: do this kind of covert work. His work in Doctor

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Speaker 3: Strangelove with the B fifty two flying over Siberia, which

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Speaker 3: was done with a model wasn't real at all. The

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Speaker 3: Air Force saw that and went, oh my god, this

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Speaker 3: guy is like he can make anything.

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Speaker 2: Happen and wants to screen. Like, when I watch it

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Speaker 2: on your documentary, it looks a little uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: it looks it needs some work now. But I bet

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Speaker 2: when you saw it on a big screen back in

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Speaker 2: the day, it probably looked very impressive.

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Speaker 3: Oh it did, And yes, of course it doesn't look

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Speaker 3: anywhere near what they can do nowadays. But this is

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Speaker 3: way before digital or any kind of computer effects reformed.

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Speaker 3: He was doing this all with in camera effects, and

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Speaker 3: as a filmmaker, I can tell you what he was

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Speaker 3: achieving was incredible at his day and age, and no

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Speaker 3: one else was anywhere near the effects that he was

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Speaker 3: achieving in both Doctor Strangelove and two thousand and one

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Speaker 3: Space Odyssey. So what I'm pretending is that two thousand

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Speaker 3: and one of Space Odyssey was the template for him

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Speaker 3: to learn how to do it, and then later he

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Speaker 3: did it in like nineteen sixty nine and seventy just

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Speaker 3: really because they didn't want the Soviet Union to understand

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Speaker 3: what kind of technology we had. It wasn't like a

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Speaker 3: gigantic cover up to hide things in a way that

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Speaker 3: a lot of the conspiracy theories think serious thing. It's

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Speaker 3: really just the idea that you don't really want your

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Speaker 3: art of war kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: So when why confess it in the Shining? Then if

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Speaker 2: he basically pulled it off, the you know, the secret

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Speaker 2: filmmaking masterpiece that he did, why confess to it? Or

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Speaker 2: why give those easter eggs in the Shining? And let's

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Speaker 2: cover some of those here before we got to break

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Speaker 2: because we when we come back, we got to get

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Speaker 2: into the whole JFK thing because I don't want to

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Speaker 2: miss that either your new documentary. It just seemed like

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Speaker 2: this is a good time on the anniversary to start

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Speaker 2: with the moon. So let's talk about the room number

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Speaker 2: that you shouldn't go in in what the significance of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So in the movie, you know, Danny, the boy

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Speaker 3: Shining at the Overlook Hotel, to not go into room

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Speaker 3: to thirty seven, and he is about an hour into

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Speaker 3: rocket that's taking on. Oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: In the beginning of the movie too, you're talking about

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Speaker 2: how everybody's kind dressed in red, white and blue, which

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Speaker 2: you don't even really notice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the very first time that you meet Danny and

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Speaker 3: Wendy in The Shining, they're both dressed in red, white

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Speaker 3: and blue, and Wendy is reading Catcher in the Rye,

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Speaker 3: which was written by deep intelligence officer J. D. Salinger,

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Speaker 3: who actually debreathed the Nazis at the end of World

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Speaker 3: War Two. So you know, you're like wondering, what is

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Speaker 3: Stanley trying to tell you here? And I think he's

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Speaker 3: trying to tell you that the that the Shy, that

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Speaker 3: the Overlook Hotel is actually America, and that it is

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Speaker 3: part of this scheme to create the moon landing and uh,

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Speaker 3: and Stanley is telling you it over and over. So

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Speaker 3: every time he deviate from the book, he's telling you

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Speaker 3: his confession. So in the book, the room is two seventeen,

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Speaker 3: but in the movie it's Room two thirty seven. And

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Speaker 3: it was well known at the time. You can look

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Speaker 3: it up that the scientific analysis of the distance of

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Speaker 2: I mean, you pick up on a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 2: What about the part of the movie that I think

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Speaker 2: when your documentary you spelled this out pretty well. The

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Speaker 2: all work in no play makes Jack a dull boy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So Jack is writing a book. That's the whole

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Speaker 3: reason he came to the overlook to spend the winter there.

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Speaker 3: He wants to write the great American novel. And he

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Speaker 3: tells Wendy, don't interrupt me when I'm writing my book.

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Speaker 3: But Wendy's wrote curious. So when he goes into his

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Speaker 3: all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.

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Speaker 3: to one or Apollo eleven. Work makes Jack a dull boy,

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Speaker 3: and Jack is clearly portraying in the movie Stanley Kubrick.

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Speaker 3: He even looks like Stanley Kubrick. He justice Stanley was

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Speaker 3: a nice, clean cut guy when he started making two

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Speaker 3: had a beard that was uncamped, his clothes were dirty.

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Speaker 3: He looks exhausted, and that's exactly what happens to Jack

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Speaker 3: Nicholson throughout the movie of The Shining. He starts out

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Speaker 3: this is him portraying Stanley Kuban.

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Speaker 2: Do you know, did Stephen King like that version of

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Speaker 3: Stephen King absolutely hated The Shining and was actually paid

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Speaker 3: a million dollars by Warner Brothers to stop criticizing the

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Speaker 3: movie in the movie. Okay, So in the book The Shining, Jack,

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Speaker 3: the lead character, has a red Volkswagen. Yes, in the movie, Jack,

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Speaker 3: played by Jack Nicholson has a yellow Volkswagen. But when

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Speaker 3: Howard and the cook in the movie is try to

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Speaker 3: get to the overlook, he passes a very terrible car

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Speaker 3: consists of a giant am I crushing a red Volkswagen.

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Speaker 3: It's clearly Stanley Kubrick telling Stephen King that I crushed

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Speaker 3: your vehicle and I've repossessed. Wow, just stopped, Stephen King.

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Speaker 2: What do you think that? What's the most significant scene?

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Speaker 2: If people want to be like, oh, there it is?

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Speaker 2: Do you think it's the I was thinking might be

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Speaker 2: the Twins, but you might have a different take on this,

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Speaker 2: the Gemini Twins. What is your what does your take

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Speaker 2: on that? And what do you think the most important

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Speaker 3: I think the most important scene is when Wendy comes in,

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Speaker 3: Shelley Duvall comes in, and she reads the book and

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Speaker 3: realizes that Jack's not writing a book, He's just writing

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Speaker 3: the same sentence over and over all work and no

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Speaker 3: play mixed shack a dull boy. And then she tells

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Speaker 3: Jack that she wants to leave the overlook, that you

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Speaker 3: know they're in danger, and Jack looks at her and

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Speaker 3: you have any idea what a contract means? Do you

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Speaker 3: that's Stanley talking to.

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Speaker 2: His wife because he couldn't really tell anybody what he did, right,

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Speaker 2: But do you think he did confess anybody?

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Speaker 3: I do. I believe that he confessed to someone who

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Speaker 3: was actually probably killed because they knew that Stanley had confessed.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I'm not alone in this. By the way,

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Speaker 3: there's a movie called Wag the Dog, which was made,

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Speaker 3: you know, many years after The Moonlighting, in which Dustin

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Speaker 3: And so I believe that Hollywood is perfectly aware of

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Speaker 2: And yeah, it's not like he stopped making movies at

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Speaker 2: I don't know much about when Eyes Wide Shut came out,

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Speaker 2: it was just the freakiest thing I've ever seen. But

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Speaker 2: then you get another fifteen ten years later and he's

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Speaker 2: basically sharing the story of Epstein Island. Am I wrong

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Speaker 2: or are groups.

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Speaker 3: Like oh you are? You're right? In fact, this is

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Speaker 3: not only the fifty fifth anniversary of the moon landing,

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Speaker 3: but it's the twenty fifth anniversary of Isyeswai Shut, which

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Speaker 3: Standy Kubrick's birthday is in six days from now, on

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Speaker 3: on July sixteenth, that's the date that Is White Shut

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Speaker 3: bewildered by what's going on around him and some very

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Speaker 3: interesting film and so we can see over and over

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Speaker 3: that Kubrick is trying to bring you to notice that

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Speaker 3: he was involved in the moon landing. And I'll just

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Speaker 3: say this, right after Kubrick's Odyssey, my film about Kubrick's

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Speaker 3: confession in The Shining, I was notified by close to

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Speaker 3: Christopher Nolan that Christopher Nolan, the film director, was really

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Speaker 3: to be an homage to Stanley Kubrick. And sure enough,

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Speaker 3: Interstellar came out and it was a complete, you know,

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Speaker 3: homage to Kubrick, including mentioning that the Moonlindings were fake.

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