1 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: What is up? What's going on y'all? This is the 2 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: beat Down podcast, And guys, the vibes I said were 3 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: immaculate last week and the vibes, I don't know what's 4 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: the pot and the next step up with that will be, 5 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 1: but it has to be great, right, I mean, they 6 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: go out and beat the Cleveland Brown thirty four to thirteen, 7 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: go to get to four and one for the first 8 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: time since two thousand and eight. Definitely one of the 9 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: best experiences I've had since I worked here in the 10 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: last five years. Last five records we've had are three 11 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: and thirteen, seven and nine, uh seven, eight, eight and one, 12 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: and then last year of course being four and thirteen. 13 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: So I don't even know what to do with myself 14 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: go and get a game to be four and one. 15 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: But now we do have the next test, which is 16 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: probably gonna be the biggest one here so far, at 17 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: least with the Baltimore Ravens. We're going up there for 18 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: the first time in twenty sixteen, believe it or not. 19 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: Uh And even though the Ravens are three and two, 20 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: they are still regarded as the Super Bowl hopeful, still 21 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: regarded as one of the most respected teams in the league. 22 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: It's gonna be quite the test, gonna be a juggernaut 23 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: in ways of the Commardiers have not experienced so far 24 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: this year. And how do they manage to come out 25 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 1: of Baltimore with a win wealth. That's exactly what we're 26 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,479 Speaker 1: going to discuss today with me is Liam Griffin from 27 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: the Washington Times and Michael Jackson Jenkins, which you can 28 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: findly with my arch nemesis or one of my art 29 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: nemeses frans mut. I'm gonna get lou podcast. Guys. How 30 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: have y' all been doing today? 31 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 2: Good? 32 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're having a great time. Excited to be here 33 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 3: with you guys. 34 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, love to hear, love that absolutely. Well, let's still 35 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: jump into it. But before we do that, you know, 36 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: for guys, everyone listening like they know the spiel, they 37 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: know the deal I'm gonna be We're gonna be debating 38 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: three questions, one offense, one of defense, kind of more 39 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: of a general question. Uh, these guys have been gonna 40 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: be giving points based on my discretion, and since it 41 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: is my podcast, I can decide who the winner is. 42 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: But don't get too caught up at the points. Don't 43 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: get too caught up in the victors, because what's more 44 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: important is listening to these guys and their objective takes 45 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: on the team because they have it all, they have 46 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: the knowledge. So without further ado, let's get into it 47 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: here and we're gonna start on the Ravens offense. And yes, 48 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: I know, Lamar Jackson MVB caliber candidate, lights the world 49 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: on fire with his arm, with his legs, can do 50 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: it all, all that stuff. But their biggest offseason acquisition 51 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: is number twenty two Derrick Henry, who rushed for two 52 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 1: thousand yards, one of the few to ever do that 53 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: in NFL history, is off to another fantastic start to 54 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: his career, to his twenty twenty four campaign, leading the 55 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: league in rushing yards. He's a locomotive in every single 56 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: sense of the word, and he's gonna be the biggest 57 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: challenge because he can, he has a speed, and he 58 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: also has his strength to bowl you over. So Jinks 59 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: will start with you. It's a pretty simple question. But 60 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: how do you stop Derek Kins? 61 00:02:59,320 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 4: Like? 62 00:02:59,400 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 5: What do you? 63 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: What do you do if you're the command of defense man. 64 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:03,239 Speaker 5: It's such a great question. 65 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 2: I love the use of the phrase locomotive because that's 66 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,679 Speaker 2: not used very much and it's absolutely correct here. 67 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 5: I think you have to do a few things. 68 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 2: And of course this is easy to say when you're 69 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: just talking into a microphone. But first of all, you 70 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: have to keep him off the field by getting the 71 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 2: Ravens off the field on third down because sort of 72 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 2: like b Rob, I mean, there's different players, one thing 73 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 2: they share is that as the game goes on, they 74 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 2: get stronger. 75 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:28,679 Speaker 5: They're so physical and they can wear you down. 76 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 2: So the more he's on the field, if the Ravens 77 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 2: take advantage of the third down and stay on the field, 78 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 2: that's going to be a problem. 79 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 5: So you've got to get Baltimore off the field. 80 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: And then you have to tackle well in space, more 81 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 2: than maybe any other player in the NFL, because yeah, 82 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 2: that sounds something that's very basic. 83 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 5: Of course, you always want to play good fundamental football. 84 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 2: But if you don't tackle Derrick Henry in space and 85 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 2: he gets his stiff arm out and he gets separation, 86 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 2: then it's over for you. 87 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 5: And I saw this, I. 88 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: Think it was early in the week, and there is 89 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 2: a stat that the NFL has measured the fastest players 90 00:03:58,440 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 2: running in a straight line so far. 91 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 5: To see Garrick Henry's in the top five. 92 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 2: I get faster than then Xavier Worthy, which is just 93 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 2: absolutely bonkers. 94 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 5: To think about. 95 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: So tackle in space, don't let him get loose, because 96 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: it's some point he will break. He will break one open. 97 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 2: We've seen that throughout the season. And then finally you 98 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 2: just have to pray, like just gonna pray this sweet 99 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 2: baby Jesus, like maybe he has an off game or something. 100 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 2: It's not there's not an easy answer there, but I 101 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 2: think maybe those are some of the keys. 102 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 3: You know. 103 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: And now Derrick Henry, he's he's thirty, so he does 104 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: still have some of that. You know, he's he's gonna 105 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: be He's gonna have his regressions a little bit, and 106 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: there's a arguna be some games he's not gonna be 107 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: Derrick Henry of old. But we also seen here for 108 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: almost two hundred yards. A couple of weeks ago, he 109 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 1: had a fifty one yarder against the Bengals to put 110 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: the that put the Ravens in position to win that 111 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: game in overtime. 112 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 4: Uh. 113 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: But Liam Will, we'll go over to you here because 114 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: h Jenks put up some some pretty good points here. Uh, 115 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: you know, it's getting getting the Ravens off field and 116 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 1: third down like that's been that's been you know, in theory, 117 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: that makes sense. But also they're the third highest third 118 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: out convertage virgin percentage in the league. And they're really 119 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: aggressive on third down, Like no matter what the position is, 120 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 1: where they's third, long, third and short, they will go 121 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: after you. And they had because they know, because they 122 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 1: have the tools to do it. And Washington conversely is 123 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: while they are better, they're still in the bottom third 124 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: of third downs allowed. So how do they able to 125 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: liam how they able to maybe you know, keep Derek 126 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: Heny bottled up on those third and short situations when 127 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: he's you can basically if he can fall forward, he 128 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 1: can get like, you know, three or four yards for you. 129 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely, Like going into the Browns game, they were 130 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 4: thirty second in the league in that third down the 131 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 4: defense and playing the Browns to make anyone's defense look 132 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 4: a little bit better, you know, taking that, I think 133 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 4: they allowed one for thirteen on third down as a defense. 134 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 3: So this will be kind. 135 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 4: Of proof of whether that was just that's how bad 136 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 4: the Browns are or this commander's defense started to step 137 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 4: up on third downs. But when we were talking to 138 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 4: players this week, they mentioned and coach Dan Quinn said 139 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 4: this as well, really swarming to the football, and so 140 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 4: this is going to be like all players are going 141 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 4: to have to be engaged on run defense. And we 142 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 4: talked to a cornerback, Benjamin Saint Jus, and he mentioned 143 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 4: that he's just looking to not get put on a 144 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 4: highlight reel if he's just looking to not catch a 145 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 4: stiff farm, so he'll be going for shoe laces, which 146 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 4: I mean, if you are Benjamin Saint Juice, I think 147 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 4: that might be a better plan than trying to take 148 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 4: on Derek Henry straight on. But it's going to have 149 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 4: to be an effort from all eleven players to swarm 150 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 4: to the football. And that's something that the run defense 151 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 4: has kind of done well in a lot of these games, 152 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 4: especially with the linebacker group of Bobby Wagner and Frankie Lubu. 153 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 4: They're really good at diagnosing a run and being able 154 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 4: to shoot gaps and get to a runner in the backfield. 155 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 4: But that's especially important with Derek Henry. We mentioned how 156 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 4: good he is once he gets into open space, but 157 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 4: to put that into perspective, he's leading the league in rushing, 158 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 4: but fifty two percent of his yards has come on 159 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 4: explosive runs of fifteen or more, so half of his 160 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 4: yarder to come on eight different runs, or he's able 161 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 4: to get into the second level and just torch a defense, 162 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 4: get past the secondary, because as the player will tell you, 163 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 4: it is hard to tackle Derrick Henry in the faith. 164 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 4: So I think that's just the best thing that you 165 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 4: can do is as a team, as all ELEVEM players 166 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 4: on the field being willing tacklers and everybody taking a 167 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 4: shot at it and swarming to the football when you 168 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 4: see Dereck Henry, because once he gets an open face, 169 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 4: once he gets the head of steam, you it, it's 170 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 4: hard to stop. And people have been trying it since 171 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 4: he was in high school. Everybody has seen the highlights, 172 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 4: and so you really just got to hope that you 173 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 4: can trip him up, hope that you have enough momentum 174 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 4: on your side to keep him from busting career on 175 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 4: the defense. 176 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: And you know, he's so he's so good that no 177 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: other running back in the league or knows better than him. 178 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: He leads the leading yards of yards after contact, he 179 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: leads the league in broken tackles. Yeah, it wants And 180 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: the thing is, like I said, he's thirty years old, 181 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: he's still like, I mean, his workout rour teams are 182 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: insane because he knows he has to be in that 183 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,239 Speaker 1: level of physicality if he's going to keep up his 184 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: his level game. Because I don't I don't ever see 185 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: Derrick Henry being a guy that's just gonna be a 186 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: speedbacker in that. He's just too he's just too big 187 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: to be doing something like that out you bring up 188 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: Brandy and Saint Juce I remember, I remember him saying 189 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: if they're saying that about, you know, game for the 190 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: game for the shoelaces. But I'm gonna bring up something 191 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: else that maybe he's not necessarily talked about Derrick Henry 192 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: enough is him as a pass catcher. And you know 193 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: he's not like the best, He's not like Austin Eckler 194 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: or anything out there. But if you give him on 195 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: a get him on a screen, he's very, very dangerou 196 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: because he has a bunch of blockers in front of him, 197 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: and that's when he's able to get momentum going. Uh. 198 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: And you're gonna give a lot of defensive backs opportunities 199 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: to tackle him. Uh that you know, if they're not 200 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: ready for it, it's it's gonna be really tough. So jinks, 201 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 1: how confident do you feel about these these commanders defensive back, 202 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: He's going up against a guy Gary Henry if he's 203 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: gonna be in space, and even again, like even as 204 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: a runner, his most of the biggest plays this year 205 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: are on the outside. 206 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a really good point, and I think you 207 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 2: sort of touched on it, which is it's it's one 208 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 2: thing to have that skill set, it's quite another to 209 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:58,119 Speaker 2: get a guy that big. 210 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 5: Who's already moving like what you see with Miami. 211 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 2: Right, they'll run a lot of offensive sets and they'll 212 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: get Tyreek Hill catching the ball on the move, like 213 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 2: out of the backfield, or maybe it's Stevan a Chan like. 214 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 2: They want to get these guys up to speed where 215 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 2: there's no false steps and as they get the ball, 216 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: they're already going. 217 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 5: And if you do that with Kerrick Henry, that's a. 218 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 2: Test for any player in the NFL, no matter who 219 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 2: you are, And it's especially a test for the secondary, 220 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: which has definitely gotten better. And I think a lot 221 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 2: of it has to do with the improved play up 222 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 2: front on the Washington defensive line, because it's taken some 223 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 2: of that pressure off. But we know that going into 224 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 2: the season, the secondary had a lot of question marks 225 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 2: and probably still does somewhat. So yeah, this is probably 226 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 2: their biggest challenge in the season, especially a guy like 227 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 2: that who is that imposing, who catches the ball and 228 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:41,599 Speaker 2: all of a sudden he's coming at you. Then you 229 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 2: see guys like Spoot likes to say, who make business decisions. 230 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 2: You saw Antonio Pierce saw that, or say that what 231 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 2: a few weeks ago. So we're gonna make some changes 232 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 2: because we have defenders who are making business decisions and 233 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 2: they're saying, I don't want to tackle this guy coming 234 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 2: at me, And it's the last thing you want to 235 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 2: do in the NFL is play with fear. But if 236 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 2: there's any guy who could make you do that, it's 237 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 2: Jorick Henry. They have to play smart, they have to 238 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 2: play fast, and they have to be the aggressor here 239 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 2: where he gets ahead of stud. 240 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: Liam real quick. Before we would we move on to 241 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: the next question of the commander's defensive backs, safety's corners. 242 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: All that, who do you give the best chance to 243 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: bring down Derrick Henry if they see him, like in 244 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: a one on one opportunity. But there's not gonna be 245 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: that many, but there is gonna there are gonna be 246 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: somewhere out there. 247 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 4: What was it of the commander's defense or upary in 248 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 4: particular the secondary? Okay, on the secondary, I think I 249 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 4: might give it to Kwon Martin. I think he's someone 250 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 4: who's been really scarming to the football and he's been fast, 251 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,599 Speaker 4: he's been aggressive, and I don't think he has I 252 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 4: don't think he'll be out there making business decisions, you know. 253 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 4: I think he's willing to get out there as a tackler. 254 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 4: He's performed well in run defense this year in addition 255 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 4: to his you know, coverage responsibilities. So I think Kawan 256 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 4: Martin is someone who's willing to get in there and 257 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 4: get his nose dirty and uh, you know, maybe. 258 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 3: You end up on a highlight reel. 259 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 4: Maybe you get a solid stop and get an added 260 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 4: boy on the sideline. 261 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: Fair fair enough. But you know, I'll also bring in 262 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: Jayeremy chen In that into that as well, because with him, 263 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: like he's so physical at the point of attack, and 264 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: it's like whenever he's whenever he gets into the into 265 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: the attack, all the play is done. It's over. The 266 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: guy is usually brought down there he's usually at least 267 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: the first of the last guy to to get to 268 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: get to him, So I think that could be a 269 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: pretty big role as well for for for old Jeremy Chin. 270 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: We'll move on to the next question, but first score 271 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: up day Jinks, you are in the lead by one point. 272 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: Although Liam I did like the point about Kwan Mark 273 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: because I think he's also going to be a pretty 274 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: big factor and stopping the run on Derek Henry special 275 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: on the outside. Uh, but we'll switch over to the 276 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: Commanders really side of things, and uh, you know, the 277 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,319 Speaker 1: Commanders have put together one of the really, really really 278 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: strong ground game here. I mean they they're second in 279 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: the league, uh, second only to the Ravens, and they're 280 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: leading the league in rushing touchdowns. I mean they they're 281 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: it talk about like just a complete flip of what 282 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: they were dealing with last year, where they were not 283 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: really running the ball at all, like Ed'll cook, you know, 284 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: effective in anyway. They were last league and run pass ratio. 285 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 1: Now they're running the ball almost more than anybody, and 286 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 1: they're doing it at a very successful right because of 287 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: the offensive line, because of Brian Robinson, because of Boston Eckler. 288 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: But they're also going up against the Baltimore defense that 289 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: has allowed I think like sixty something yards per game 290 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: on the ground. They're very, very tough. That's one of 291 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: the biggest strengths they have that's carried over from last 292 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 1: year's Baltimore group. So, Liam, what do they have? Obviously, 293 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: you can't run the ball all the time against this 294 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 1: Ravens defense. It's just it's just too much. But they 295 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: do have to get some of it going to get 296 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: this for the sake of their offense to be functioning properly. 297 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: So how do you get that running game going against 298 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: a defense that has just been so stout on the ground. 299 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 4: Well, I think first of all, you have to rely 300 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,439 Speaker 4: on what got you here, and at this point in 301 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 4: the season, cliffkaing through your offense isn't just running one 302 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 4: run team. You know, They're not just one of these 303 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 4: inside zone, wide zone, you know teams. 304 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 3: They're doing it in a lot of different ways. 305 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 4: So they're running this counter scheme, they're running these gaps, 306 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 4: they're running the outside zone, and so I think doing 307 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 4: that really kind of puts pressure on a defense to 308 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 4: keep up on every single play, and they're not able 309 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 4: to just kind of go on auto highland and say, 310 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 4: all right, we know where this run is going, we 311 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 4: know our responsibilities, and so I think a lot of 312 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 4: that responsibility is going to fall on Cliff Kingsbury as 313 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 4: a play caller to keep things fresh, down and down 314 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 4: out to kind of stream drives together. I also think 315 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 4: you're going to want to see because the Baltimore front 316 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 4: seven is so lethal against the run, you're going to 317 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 4: want to see some of these kind of extensions of 318 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 4: the run game. So this team, I think this was 319 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 4: true last week. I need to check up on this, 320 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 4: but they'd called the most screens in the league, and 321 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 4: it wouldn't be surprised if this is another big screen game. 322 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 4: Because you have these talented pass catches, these talented skill players. 323 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 4: You're Austin Actlers or Brian Robinson, even Jeremy McNichols has 324 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,599 Speaker 4: looked fantastic this season, and so getting the ball to 325 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 4: them in space, even when you know your offensive line 326 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 4: isn't able to just Maull bowl over this incredible Baltimore front, 327 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 4: getting the ball to them in space on the outside 328 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 4: is going to be key. And since we haven't mentioned 329 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 4: this yet, the Commanders have Jayden Daniels yeah, isn't. Yeah, 330 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 4: unlike Lamar, he does not drive in these kind of 331 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 4: designed runds, or at least he hasn't so far this season. 332 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 4: Most of his damage has come as a scrambler. And 333 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 4: so I think that's signed to look at too, where 334 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 4: even if you end up you know, you take a 335 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 4: Baltimore jumps out to a lead early, you're in a 336 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 4: bunch of you know, passing downs, the game script is 337 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 4: dictating that he does most of his damage as a 338 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 4: scrambler improvising, and that puts so much strain on the 339 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 4: defense where they're always behind their shoulder. 340 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 3: You know, you're running a man coverage. 341 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 4: Oh no, Jade Daniels pass the line of scrimmage and 342 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 4: he's torching you for another twenty yards downfield. And so 343 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 4: I think that's signed to keep in mind, is that 344 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 4: it is not just you're not just running at a 345 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 4: brick wall and hopeing for the best you're getting outside 346 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 4: of it. You're trying to stress them however you can 347 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 4: using these skill players that you have available. 348 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're right. I mean the Jade and Daniels 349 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: effect of it obviously is so key. I mean, you 350 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: think about that for them three had, you know, getting 351 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: past j Oka there for that thirty four yard running 352 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: set up an eventual touchdown. I mean, he he makes 353 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: the offense right in so many ways because of his's, 354 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: because of how he's able to scramble and make make 355 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: a lot of chicken salad. As I like to say. Uh, 356 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: but but Jenks, you know bringing up the running backs right, 357 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: like you got Brian Robinson, you got Jeremy Nichols, you 358 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: got Austin Like all three of them have done, you know, 359 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: their work over the past few games, and so Brian 360 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: Robinson has he's at least I don't know obviously, we 361 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: don't know whether he's gonna play or not on Sunday, 362 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: but he's at least looked a little damaged. I guess 363 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: you could say because the knee injury he's gonna deal 364 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: with over the last uh, you know, a week and 365 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: a half or so. Didn't practice on Wednesday, didn't practice 366 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: on Thursday. So say, you know, for whatever reason, because 367 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: you know, rob did not play much at all in 368 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: that second half, thankfully because the game was out of 369 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: pretty much out of out of out of the Browns reach. 370 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: But say be robbed, you know, doesn't get half to 371 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: didn't get to carry like twenty one twenty four times, 372 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: we're maybe been used to last few weeks or so. 373 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: How confident do you feel about me? Nichols Eckler, and 374 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: you know, even Jade and Daniels to an extent, to 375 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: be able to carry the load and be more of 376 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: a full fledge or well rounded rushing attack. It maybe 377 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: leaning on be Rob a little bit more. 378 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 5: I mean it will. It's definitely a step back. 379 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 2: We know that because b Rob is so good and 380 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 2: he's so good light, because he's he looks for contact, 381 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 2: which is what. 382 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 5: I love about him. 383 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 2: But I think there's a couple of things you can 384 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 2: do here, and one is Bro deep, like, do not 385 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 2: be afraid to take shots to. 386 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 5: Loosen up this Ravens deed. 387 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 2: But as they are upfront, you can throw on the 388 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 2: secondary Jade and Daniels, as we know, was part of 389 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 2: his scouting report and we've already seen it in this room, beautiful. 390 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 5: Deefall and an accurate deep ball. 391 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 2: So if the first you don't hit, keep making the 392 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 2: Ravens account for that, and then as the game goes on, 393 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 2: don't be afraid to keep trying to punish Baltimoaundians and 394 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 2: be aggressive on four to down. I love the fact 395 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 2: that dan Quinn and it's made me nervous in some 396 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 2: spots where maybe keeping that Baltimore defense out there longer 397 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 2: than it wants. 398 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 5: To be out. 399 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 2: That even if it doesn't work early on, what have 400 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 2: we seen from this Washington offensive line? 401 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 5: Can't believe I've seen it. They've become road graders late 402 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 5: in games. 403 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: Where and I'm not saying an NFL. 404 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 5: Team quit because you said to those guys, get a 405 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 5: punch in. 406 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 2: The face, but but they were done, like it was over, 407 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 2: like they had had enough for the day. 408 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 5: They had had enough of the Washington offensive line. 409 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 2: So you stretched them out, let them know, open up 410 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 2: the offense if we have to, and then we're gonna 411 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 2: keep running and hopefully by the fourth b Robb is 412 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 2: maybe hamstrung a little bit, you sort of wear the 413 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 2: Ravens defense down. 414 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think I think so. The offensive line 415 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 1: is is. I think they've they've quietly done their job, 416 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: and in a way it's been doing doing it quietly. 417 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: It's become a lot louder because they they've been excellent 418 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 1: run their run, block win Ray. They've done a good 419 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: enough job of protecting Jane Daniels in a way that 420 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people have ever really 421 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: would have guessed heading into the city this season. So Lee, well, 422 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: we'll go over to you, like, what do you feel like, 423 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: how do you feel about the matchup between this Commander's 424 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: offensive line and the Ravens defensive line? Because uh, yeah, 425 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: you you've got some You've got some pretty quality, quality 426 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: guys in that front seven year Roquand Smith as one 427 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,239 Speaker 1: of those guys who's are really a blitzer, and you know, 428 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: the interior of this off of the line is really 429 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: going to be tested. So how do you feel about 430 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: about that matchup as they try to, you know, establish 431 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: the run game a little bit more. 432 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 4: Honestly, I feel better about it this week than if 433 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 4: you had ask me seven days ago because of that 434 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 4: performance that that offensive line put together against the Browns, 435 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 4: who have one of the better defenses and one of 436 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 4: the better front sevens in the league. And so I 437 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 4: think you're seeing this Washington offensive line really come into 438 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 4: its own. We knew Sam Cosby was going to be great, 439 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 4: but I've been really impressed by, you know, by Tyler 440 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 4: Biadish and by Nick Alagretty and the way that they've 441 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 4: adapted and kind of embraced this team's identity as a 442 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 4: run first team. 443 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, you know, like I mean, Tam Cosby has 444 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: just really been I would say, yeah, he's playing at 445 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl caliber plate uh rate right now. Tyler 446 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: Biadage has been has been so critical, uh Nick Ali 447 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: ready even so, I mean he's he's been grammy. I mean, shoot, 448 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: like Ronald Garrett didn't even record a a state, like 449 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: a stat like anything, all out of pressure, not a hurry, 450 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: not a tackle at all because of how Brandon Colemo 451 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 1: was playing, which also brings up a quick question I 452 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: want to I want to address. Boy, We'll move on 453 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: to the next question for you, Jenks, is you know 454 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: the Commanders have they've kept this weird rotation and left 455 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: tackle with Cornelius Lucas and uh and Brandon Coleman, and 456 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: you know you don't want to see that very often. 457 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: You really like to see, you know, five guys consistently 458 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: bringing up that starting line. H But at the same time, 459 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 1: Quineta Lucas has not done really enough to say you 460 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: need to bench him or anything. So do you think 461 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: like eventually they're gonna maybe, like I don't know, like 462 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: keep on one guy or the other. Do you think 463 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: they're just gonna roll with this rotation until it until 464 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: it doesn't work? 465 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I think this is a I think it's 466 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 2: a situation where for now, because things can certainly evolve, 467 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 2: if it ain't broke, don't fix it because it's working. 468 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 2: And also, this is this is sort of the perfect 469 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 2: scenario right where ideally Brandon Coleman is the guy who 470 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 2: eventually takes over that spot. But anytime you're a rookie 471 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 2: in the NFL, you know you you were around the 472 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 2: edges in some spots. Could be technique, could be learning 473 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 2: the grind, whatever it is. And so when you have 474 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 2: Lucas playing so well, let Colman sort of learn along 475 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 2: the way and get the reps at the same time, 476 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 2: maybe getting the rest or getting the time he needs 477 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 2: to learn the position where he's not just thrown into 478 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 2: the fire immediately. And so right now, if you've got 479 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 2: two guys who can play the spot and you're doing well, 480 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 2: why introduce a rotation or take a guy out when 481 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 2: everything's working the way you want it to work. So 482 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 2: it's a luxury to have where you have two guys, 483 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 2: let's keep doing it. 484 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, it's funny that, like, you know, 485 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: left tackle was such a big question for this team 486 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: heading into the offseason, and now all of a sudden, 487 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: they've got they've got two starting left tackles And if 488 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: you would never have guessed, they would have had a surplus. 489 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 1: And you know, I left tackle is just it's so 490 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: hard for rookies to be thrown just be thrown in 491 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: there and start. And it's almost like a perfect way 492 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: to to kind of like insulate Brandon Coleman's development because 493 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: you're not putting the whole game on him. You're more 494 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: of just like giving him half of it a little 495 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: bit and then like you know, if he gives you 496 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: give them a series and then you come back over 497 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: to the sideline you talk about it. And while you're 498 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: over there all over talking about you let Brandon Coleman 499 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: UH or Cornelis Lucas just do what he does, uh, 500 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 1: just to be serviceful enough in the past of the 501 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: past protection game. It's it's really interesting and I think, 502 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: you know, honestly, if it helps out with his development 503 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: long term, great, that's fantastic. But we'll move on to 504 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: the net the final question here, Uh scored it quickly, Jings. 505 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: You were still ahead uh by two, so Leam, you 506 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: still got a lot of work cut out for you. 507 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: But I think this question is gonna be a very 508 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: good philosophical one. 509 00:21:58,920 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 2: Uh. 510 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: You know, these the execs two players, Terry McLaurin and 511 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: Frankie Luvu, Like they're both thought they're going to be 512 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: pretty key right to to getting a win on Sunday. 513 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 1: Terry mclaurran because of what he's he might have to 514 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,959 Speaker 1: be able to do against Marlon Humphrey and that and 515 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: that that Raven secondary and on top of that, Frankie 516 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: Loluvu he's got the he's got the athleticium and the 517 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 1: quickness enough to keep up with Lamar Jackson. I feel 518 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: like he's gonna be so critical, especially after that game 519 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: they had against the Brown really just let the world 520 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 1: on fire. Uh, Liam will start with you. Who needs 521 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: have a bigger game between these two, Terry or Frankie Luvu. 522 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 3: For me, I think it's really clearly Frankie Louvo. 523 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 4: I think that this defense is going to have its 524 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 4: work cut out for it, and really it's toughest tests 525 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 4: of the season Obviously the offense isn't you know, going 526 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 4: against slashes either on the other side. But I think 527 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 4: there is no one else in the league like Lamar 528 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 4: Jackson and like Derrick Henry, and this Washington defense doesn't 529 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 4: have the hors in all the time. They might not 530 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 4: always perform up to the ability to contain, you know, 531 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 4: these two Offensive Player of the Year MVP caliber players 532 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 4: on Baltimore's offense. And so I think Frankie Luvu is 533 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 4: really going to have to step up and embrace this 534 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 4: challenge head on, because we've seen him do it before 535 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 4: against some of the lesser competition. Earlier in the season, 536 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 4: we saw him, you know, in coverage in Arizona really 537 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 4: helping to shut down that offense. Last week, we saw 538 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 4: him as a pass rusher against the Browns, disrupt into 539 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 4: Seawn Watson's timing and really single handedly taking over that game. 540 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 3: But this is a whole new thing. 541 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 4: You know, this is Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson, and 542 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 4: you know, he's been paired with Bobby Wagner throughout the season, 543 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 4: which has been great. And Bobby's obviously a future Hall 544 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 4: of Famer, an incredible player who is still able to 545 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 4: diagnose defenses with the best of them, but he's lost 546 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 4: the step this season, which is to be expected with. 547 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:47,360 Speaker 3: A player of his age. 548 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 4: And so Frankie Luvu is going to have to be 549 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 4: the aggressor on this defense and be the energizer bunny 550 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 4: really to power this team forward. 551 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 3: And I think he's going to have a lot of responsibility. 552 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 4: So I think he's going to be shooting those gaps 553 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 4: to try and keep there Henry from getting the head 554 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 4: of steam going that defensive coordinators have nightmares about. And 555 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 4: I also think he's going to have a lot of 556 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson responsibility too. 557 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 3: I feel like every time that I watch him play. 558 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 4: And every time I watch his tape, I'm always circling like, Wow, 559 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 4: great play by Louvo in the way that he's able 560 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 4: to force a quarterback out the pocket, or the way 561 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 4: that he's able to like kind of patrol the field 562 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 4: and work sideline to sideline to keep a guy from scrambling, 563 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 4: you know, and also remain in his coverage but as 564 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 4: well and maintain those responsibilities. And so I think Frankie 565 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 4: Louvo is someone who on a Washington defense that is 566 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 4: kind of lacking in star power a little bit and 567 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 4: that's still trying to find their footing. I think that 568 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 4: Frankie Louvo has a huge task ahead of him, and 569 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 4: I feel like if we see him, if he has 570 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 4: another game like he had last week or like he 571 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 4: had in Arizona, then I think we're talking about the 572 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 4: Commanders win. And I think if he goes missing in action, 573 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 4: I feel like that things could get a little bit ugly. 574 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, good point there to end it on jigs question, 575 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: terrm Thorne or Frankie Lulu. 576 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 5: I'm gonna take an l on this, and that was 577 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 5: a great answer. 578 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 2: Here's what I think You're absolutely right, Like pairing him 579 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 2: with Bobby Wagner is the perfect yin and yang, and 580 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 2: I know that dan Quinn has talked about that, but 581 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 2: it's Frankie. 582 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 5: Him for a couple of reasons. One which you touched on. 583 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 2: Is maybe Spye or at least can Jackson on the ground. 584 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 2: And then number two is in run support. We've talked 585 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 2: about Derek Henry. You don't want him getting to this, 586 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 2: but if you need Frankie Lulu to clean something up, 587 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 2: or the defensive line needs runkey, Lulu could get. 588 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 5: In the gap and also provide that as well. That's 589 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 5: one thing. It's as the kids would say, it's his. 590 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 2: Vibe and it's the fact that this defense really feeds 591 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 2: off of him, and you guys talk about it. We've 592 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 2: seen it in the locker room when he's doing his 593 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 2: Samoan war dance, like when Freddy Frankie Lulu is playing well, 594 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 2: when he's being physical and speedy. Tell the other guys 595 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 2: on that defense respond to that, and they try to 596 00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 2: elevate the level of their play. 597 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 5: To Matt, how good Frankielubu is. 598 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 2: So when you have a guy like that making plays 599 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 2: in a game like this, or he brings down Lamar Jackson, 600 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 2: that will make the entire Washington defense better. And then 601 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 2: the argument against that would be, Okay, well you need 602 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 2: Terry mccorran, you need to go deep, which is absolutely true. However, 603 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 2: the Ravens secondary is ranked thirty first in the NFL, 604 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 2: So if they have a weak spot on that defense, 605 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 2: it is that secondary. So if there's someone besides Terry 606 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 2: mccorran who can step up, it's Deanni Brown, maybe it's 607 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 2: Luke McCaffrey. This is the game to do it because 608 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 2: you can attack that Baltimore weakness. 609 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 5: But it's definitely Frankie Lubu in the spot. 610 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: You know, I've watched that him getting a game ball 611 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: video in the locker room so many times and every 612 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: time it just it just gets me so fired up. 613 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 1: You feel like you're right there in the moment with him, 614 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: and he right, he brings so much energy to this team. 615 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 1: He really I think he you know, I've wondered, like, 616 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: what's the best you know, off season acquisition. So such 617 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,959 Speaker 1: a clearche question asked, But like every time, I think 618 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: you like, Frankie Luvu is probably the guy just because 619 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: of the energy, the leader ship and just the freaky 620 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: athleticism that he brings. So I completely agree with both 621 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: of you that probably is going to be Frankie Loe 622 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 1: Loup and final selection for the winners here, James, you 623 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 1: were in the lead the whole time. But Liam that 624 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 1: that answer to the to the final question was so 625 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: great you pulled out. I had to had to win that. 626 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: You had to win that one there. Do you have 627 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: any parting words of victory. 628 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 3: For first, I would like to say the academy like thank. 629 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 2: You for. 630 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 1: And that of course. 631 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 3: I would like the. 632 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:41,880 Speaker 1: Academy that's saying I don't want to pull the Oscar 633 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: music on you any or anything. Now there's the short 634 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 1: and sweet love to hear. But guys, thank you, Kenneth, 635 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 1: thank you enough for doing this and for everyone listening. Uh, 636 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: hopefully we'll be talking about a win next time that 637 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: I'm next time i'mber gracing your ears and that would 638 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 1: be incredible because they'd be five to one for the 639 00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: first time since nineteen ninety six. 640 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 5: Would be night with the last. Yeah, so we're running. 641 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: Out of the first of the first time since we're 642 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: about to enter into never territory here. But that just 643 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 1: shows the great turnaround this franchise has had over the 644 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: last few months or so, and it's been a fantastic 645 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: just experience to be a part of it. But everyone 646 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: makes sure to rate, review, subscribe, get us wherever you 647 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: get your podcast, and this has been the beatdown