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Speaker 1: Hi, listen, Kyle Forber and welcome to The Philly Show, Everybody,

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Speaker 1: Ruben Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd's Lucky. The Philly Show

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Speaker 1: brought to you by the foul Territory Network. Friday, December sixth,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, couple of days before the Winter Meeting starts.

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Speaker 2: It's it's trade and season fellas.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Phillies haven't made any trades yet, but they might.

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Speaker 2: They probably will.

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Speaker 1: They've indicated that they will, you know, And I chatted

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Speaker 1: with Dave Dombrowski today. He said, you know, we got

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Speaker 1: to be open minded. We know, we definitely want to

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Speaker 1: be open minded as we pursue this offseason. Like now

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Speaker 1: I say open minded, I know people have kind of

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Speaker 1: taken that comment and kind of really run with it.

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Speaker 1: So because I think, you know, we and others have said,

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Speaker 1: all right, open minded means they're trading somebody. They are

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Speaker 1: trading somebody. So we asked our Philly Show friends to

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Speaker 1: send us some trade proposals. Ruben has agreed to, at

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Speaker 1: the very end pick his favorite proposal, whether he thinks

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Speaker 1: it would ever happen or not, and that that person

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's just let's jump right into it. So

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Speaker 1: I asked for proposals, trade proposals on every social media

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Speaker 1: channel that we're on basically, and we are on all

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Speaker 1: of them. We are on Instagram, we are on x,

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Speaker 1: we are on Threads, we are on Blue Sky, we

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Speaker 1: are on everything, and we get YouTube.

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Speaker 2: We're on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: We asked pretty much everywhere, and we got a lot

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Speaker 1: of trade proposals.

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Speaker 2: And one team out shown all.

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Speaker 1: Others in terms of interest from Phillies fans, and that

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Speaker 1: was the very lowly Chicago White Sox. Everybody knows that

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Speaker 1: the Phillies took a hard run in July for Garrett Crochet.

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Speaker 2: I had heard that the Phillies made what they felt.

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Speaker 1: Was a more than reasonable offer to the White Sox

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Speaker 1: for Garrett Crochet, so much so that they were like, Eh, this.

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Speaker 2: This is a this is this is a lot to

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Speaker 2: get Garrett Crochet.

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Speaker 1: The White Sox turned them down in the end, but

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Speaker 1: Garret Crochet is definitely on Phillies fans mind. So and

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Speaker 1: they really got to trade him, right, guys, would you

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Speaker 1: not agree if you don't trade Garret Crochet this winter?

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Speaker 2: What the heck are you doing? If you're the Chicago

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Speaker 2: White Sox.

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Speaker 4: He's a right because you go into the season and

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Speaker 4: try to deal them in July, you're risking you know,

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Speaker 4: who knows what could happen in the course of three months. Right,

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it feels like you know they're primed to

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Speaker 4: move him.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, to.

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Speaker 4: Quote Willie Nelson, you are always on my mind. Yeah, sure,

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Speaker 4: he stands.

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Speaker 2: So this is from Fight for Red October on X.

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Speaker 1: He says, how about Alec Bohm justin Crawford, He's the

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Speaker 1: number three prospect in the system according to MLB Pipeline,

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Speaker 1: the number fifty three prospect in baseball, Starlin Caba, who's

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Speaker 1: their number four prospect? Make Abel who's their number six prospect?

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Speaker 1: Gabrielle Rinconis, who's their number eleven prospect? For Garrett Crochet

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Speaker 1: and Luis Robert Jr. So you get your left handed starter,

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Speaker 1: top of the rotation guy to compliment what is already

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Speaker 1: one of the best rotations in baseball, and you get

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Speaker 1: a guy that can play center field. Seems like a

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Speaker 1: lot guys, But what's your first reaction to that one?

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Speaker 1: If you're the White Sox and Dave Dombrowski calls Chris

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Speaker 1: gets goes imna hummana, hummina.

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Speaker 4: What I honestly don't do you think bowm is the

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Speaker 4: type of guy they're looking for? A guy with two

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Speaker 4: years of control. Don't you want younger guys that are

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Speaker 4: kind of, you know, just reaching the threshold, younger with

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Speaker 4: even more control and even more you know, less on

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Speaker 4: the payroll side. I'm not I'm not sure if that

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Speaker 4: works for either side. But what do you think, rub.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know that.

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Speaker 5: I think you're right about them looking for younger players.

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Speaker 5: I mean the Justin Crawford part of that, and the

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Speaker 5: Kava with Conez, all of those players they sort of

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Speaker 3: I actually think it's a lot to give up for

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Speaker 5: I think you're I think for me, you're giving up

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Speaker 5: not only now talent and let's not forget Okay, guys.

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Speaker 5: Albac Bohm was an All Star. He was an All Star.

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Speaker 5: He's one of the better offensive players in baseball. And

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Speaker 5: he also sort of fits the bill and what you

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Speaker 5: want a guy who makes contact to you know, he

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Speaker 5: drives and runs. He does a lot of things that

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Speaker 5: they sort of need in their lineup. So, you know,

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Speaker 5: people may think that.

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Speaker 3: They're soured, they've soured on Alec Bohmer, what have you.

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Speaker 5: I think that they're just exploring things and a guy

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Speaker 5: they just kind of tossed into it.

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Speaker 3: Great, because you know you're going like Crochet, Great, but

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Speaker 3: Crochet just one year of control? Am I not right?

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Speaker 3: Is it one one.

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Speaker 4: Year of control?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: He's he's a free agent after twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, okay, so so two years of control.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, to me, I don't know. I just

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Speaker 3: feel like I love pitching and I want to get pitching.

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Speaker 5: But if you're going to do Alec Bohm and Crawford

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Speaker 5: and Kaba and Abel and Minconas, I mean, you're talking

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Speaker 5: about future and present talent, and that's a whole lot

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Speaker 5: to give up.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not a big Robert Junior fan. I don't

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Speaker 3: know that he sort of fits the bill.

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Speaker 5: He doesn't make contact all that much, he doesn't stay

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Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I've I have a lot of this past year.

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Speaker 3: I have a lot of questions out who he is now.

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Speaker 5: Maybe he needs a maybe he needs a new zip code.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: And maybe he fits into that lineup in Philadelphia much

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Speaker 5: much better and feels comfortable not having to be the guy.

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Speaker 5: And I like both those players. But I don't love

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Speaker 5: Relise Robert Junior.

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Speaker 3: I just don't. And so I think you've just given

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Speaker 3: up a whole lot with that deal.

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Speaker 4: I do think though, when it comes to Crochet, he's

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Speaker 4: very He's really interesting to me. And I don't think

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Speaker 4: starting pitching is your biggest need. But I think if

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Speaker 4: make a strength even stronger, you go for it. And

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Speaker 4: with two years of control and where this team is

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Speaker 4: it's like when you know it has been for a

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Speaker 4: couple of years, but it continues to be win now

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Speaker 4: for this team, and they got to get it over

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Speaker 4: the finish line the next couple of years.

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 4: That's why tomy. Garrett Crochet remains so damn intriguing, and

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Speaker 4: I would I would consider giving up some serious value

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Speaker 4: for him if it if it really worked for me,

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Speaker 4: because I just think these next two years are so

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Speaker 4: important with you know, now Harper is getting more into

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Speaker 4: his thirties, Turners and more into his thirties. One more

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Speaker 4: year Schwarber, one more year rail Mudo and oh, by

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Speaker 4: the way, Zach Wheeler is gonna be in his mid thirties.

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Speaker 4: Aaron Noler is over thirty. It's now, it is now

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love to see what that offer was

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Speaker 2: in July that the White Sox turned down.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, there's a lot of again, a

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Speaker 1: lot of offers, a lot of a lot of offers

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Speaker 1: about Garrett Krosche and the White Sox Philly basement on

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Speaker 1: Exit Boom, Rojas, Seth Johnson, who's the number fifteen prospect

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Speaker 1: who they got in the Gregorysota deal, Mick Abel for

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Speaker 1: Koshet and Robert Junior.

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Speaker 2: Some people threw.

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Speaker 1: In Taiwan Walker and a bunch of prospects to trade

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Speaker 1: you know all that stuff.

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Speaker 4: Is that one again?

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Speaker 5: What is that one again the boom Johann Roja, Seth

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Speaker 4: Which I think about that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that was something I would certainly consider.

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Speaker 2: There's no no, I'm not sure that you would.

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Speaker 3: I don't I don't know that. I don't know that

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Speaker 3: the White Sox would do that. But that is a

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Speaker 3: very interesting trait for me.

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Speaker 4: I agree, I I I don't know if. I mean,

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Speaker 4: the White Sox are looking at for a score and

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Speaker 4: they need to make I don't know if that does

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Speaker 4: You know who gump warsly?

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Speaker 3: Was no chance.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for that lesson. He took it. He took

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Speaker 1: Take care of the people that you love. The most

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Speaker 1: so Gera Crochet. Luis Robert took a couple of trade

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Speaker 1: proposals there Houston Astros. Lot of interest in the Houston

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Speaker 1: Astros by Phillies fans, especially because word is getting out

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Speaker 1: now that to possibly re sign Alex Bregman that the

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Speaker 1: Vane Bregman, make him lifetime, lifelong Houston Astros. They might

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Speaker 1: have to trade or might consider trading Kyle Tucker specifically.

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Speaker 1: Also Ryan Presley, their former closer, current setup man, could

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Speaker 3: If I'm the Astros, I take it immediately? Would you?

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Speaker 3: And I know Kyle.

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Speaker 5: I love Kyle Tucker. I think he's an outstanding hitter,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, And then you you know, when you're

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Speaker 4: So they would put Boem at first base.

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Speaker 5: Now, if they do that and then sign Phillies do

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Speaker 5: and you have Bregman and Kyle Tucker in your in

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Speaker 3: Bit different, and it makes it a little different. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, like Ken Rosenthal, I think did we

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Speaker 4: So who isn't looking for three hundred million. You gotta

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Speaker 2: I would love it.

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Speaker 3: Give me one. I'll I'll take dollars.

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Speaker 4: Phillies show.

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Speaker 3: What why would you?

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Speaker 2: What about for the love of the game.

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Speaker 4: That's right, I'm here for alone.

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Speaker 1: But the thing is, Jim, is that this week you

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Speaker 1: You could be sitting on a on a you know,

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Speaker 2: So you can make it happen if you want to.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'll stick around, all right, all right?

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Speaker 1: So Cardinals A lot of a lot of uh, several

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Speaker 1: The Phillies get Ryan Helsley and Brandon Donovan. The Cardinals

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Speaker 4: mind the framework there right, No, I don't know. I

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Speaker 4: I don't mind the framework because, uh, Hellsley and.

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Speaker 5: I sir, I do as well, because you're not taking

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Speaker 3: Talent is concerned. But I'm just not sure that's going

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Speaker 3: Is enough.

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Speaker 5: I would think that they would have to have one

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Speaker 4: Level, right, I'd like those two guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you feel in two needs because the Cardinals know

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Speaker 2: We're not going to do that.

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Speaker 1: But we're not We're gonna play our young guys next season.

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Speaker 1: We need to develop our young guys more. What a way,

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Speaker 1: it's it's a wasted commodity to have an elite level

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Speaker 4: So what does that kind of ironic if Ryan Helsley

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that'd be fun. That'd be the first thing

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Speaker 1: Do you ever about that ninth Then at one.

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Speaker 3: Breaking pitch it was flipped in the right field.

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Speaker 1: Another another one regarding Ryan Helsley was a Brandon marsh

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Speaker 3: But you know, I just don't feel like that's going

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Speaker 5: I like the idea, I like the framework also of

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Speaker 3: I just don't know.

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Speaker 5: I just don't know if that's going to be enough

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Speaker 2: The Brewers could trade Devin Williams this offseason.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of talk about that. So we got

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Speaker 1: a couple of proposals on the Brewers. Let me get

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Speaker 1: straight up trade Ranger Suarez for Devin Williams and then

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Speaker 1: t Montgomery ten on Instagram straight up trade Alec Bohm

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Speaker 4: Get they both get me thinking. And the thing they

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Speaker 4: It's what's like the the associated move who becomes your

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Speaker 4: But I certainly, boy, I would love to see Devin

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Speaker 2: Ruben, How do you do something like that?

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Speaker 1: Say, say Alec Bohm for Devin Williams could get it

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Speaker 1: trade Rubin today? If you want to do it, how

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Speaker 5: Now what Yeah, No, that's a difficult one to do

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Speaker 3: Uh, get a Mundo Sosa be a third baseman for

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Speaker 3: a little while.

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Speaker 5: Are you pushing, pushing the button or pushing the envelope

445
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Speaker 5: on Aiden.

446
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 3: Miller getting to third base too early? Are you making

447
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Speaker 3: a move.

448
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,199
Speaker 5: To sign a guy like Bregmant Again, it's gonna be

449
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 5: a ton of money.

450
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Speaker 3: I don't know if he fits.

451
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Speaker 5: That said, the framework behind Boem and Devin Williams, that

452
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 5: deal I like more than the Ranger for Devin Williams

453
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Speaker 5: kind of weird. Sounds weird because Rangers sort of fell

454
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Speaker 5: off at the end of the year last year. But again,

455
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Speaker 5: I've scoll I'll go back to this again. Rangers pitching

456
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Speaker 5: for a contract. He's one year. I don't want to

457
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 5: take pitching out. I never want to take pitching out, man.

458
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 5: I want to keep pitching in and and then work

459
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Speaker 5: around the offense somehow, some way.

460
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Speaker 3: But Bom for Devin Williams kind of interesting.

461
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is interesting.

462
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Speaker 3: Interesting. Williams is under control for one year or two.

463
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a free agent. He's Yeah, he's a free agent.

464
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 5: So I mean, you may want if you're Dave Sebrawski,

465
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Speaker 5: believe it or not, you may want a little bit

466
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Speaker 5: more than that. Back just so you have a piece

467
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Speaker 5: another piece, because you know Devin Williams is gone unless

468
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Speaker 5: you sign the guy, he's gone.

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Speaker 3: After one year and BOMs. You know he's a two

470
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Speaker 3: year player.

471
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Speaker 4: Right he's I know he's gone in one year. But

472
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Speaker 4: you think you got a World Series team. It's a

473
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Speaker 4: nice shot to take.

474
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Speaker 1: Yes, it is, no doubt worked for Brad Lidge when

475
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Speaker 1: you guys got Brad Lidge. Yeah, Chicago Cubs another straight

476
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Speaker 1: up trade Ranger Suarez for Cody Bellinger. Bellinger has a

477
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Speaker 1: he picked up his club option. He had down year

478
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Speaker 1: last year, he would not have a great year, and

479
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 1: he's got another player option for next the twenty twenty

480
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Speaker 1: six season for twenty five million dollars. Last season, he

481
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Speaker 1: hit two sixty six three twenty five on base eighteen

482
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Speaker 1: home runs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I would do that one ranger

485
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Speaker 1: for right.

486
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Speaker 5: Now, but I would have But no, but I would

487
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Speaker 5: have some interest in Cody Bellinger just for the for

488
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Speaker 5: the athleticism alone. I think he's his center field, you know,

489
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Speaker 5: especially in our ballpark.

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Speaker 3: Uh, he's got a chance.

491
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Speaker 5: To be a Gold Globe type of center fielder and

492
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 5: he can be dangerous again strikeouts, does he make enough

493
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Speaker 5: contact another left handed hitter. I don't like that feel

494
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Speaker 5: because I don't want to be Suarez. But but Cody

495
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Speaker 5: Bellinger be in our lineup not the worst.

496
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Speaker 3: Thing in the world, especially with his ability to uh

497
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Speaker 3: play defense.

498
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Speaker 4: And you're looking at what twenty five this year and

499
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Speaker 4: twenty five next year, because even if he has a

500
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Speaker 4: bad years taking that player option, right.

501
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I guess if he has a if he

502
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Speaker 1: has a great, awesome m v P type season, maybe

503
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Speaker 1: he knocks out the option.

504
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Speaker 2: Ye that which is it's okay, yeah, what you want.

505
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Speaker 2: You got a great year out of him.

506
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Speaker 4: You know what I think of Todd? Would I think

507
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 4: at Cody Bellinger that night in Dodger Stadium years ago

508
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 4: when he hit he got called up from the minors,

509
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 4: he hit his first big league home run against the Phillies.

510
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 4: It was the night Hector Narris gave up three bombs

511
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Speaker 4: in a row. I mean, this was a victory. We

512
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 4: were all writing the story of Phillies. You know, we're

513
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Speaker 4: gonna get out of the Knights and early and boom boom.

514
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 4: I know, Adrian Gonzalez hit one, Bellinger hit one, and

515
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 4: maybe Justin turned I don't know. It was within ninety seconds.

516
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 4: It was three home runs, and I felt so bad

517
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Speaker 4: for Hector. I just remember that clubhouse being just walking

518
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 4: into that funeral paller. Oh my god, that was a

519
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 4: tough night.

520
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Speaker 1: I remember going to that I remember going to that

521
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Speaker 1: manager's office. Pete mccannon. I cannot remember the exact quote,

522
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Speaker 1: but he said something that was he was like, I'm

523
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: absolutely af floored by what I just saw, or something

524
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: like he was absolutely like he didn't even know what

525
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: to say because it was Jim.

526
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Speaker 2: It was boom, boom, boom.

527
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 1: Dodger Stadium is shaking, you know. Ninth inning, Hector Nares

528
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: gives up three home runs.

529
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 3: But you're right.

530
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Speaker 4: I think Bellinger hit it like halfway up the fall

531
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Speaker 4: pole with that thunderous swing of his. I mean, it

532
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 4: was just a very surreal moment in Dodger Stadium. We've

533
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 4: had a few of them that in that ballpark.

534
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I just, oh my god.

535
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: So the Seattle Times, a reporter from the Seattle Times

536
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: wrote that the Phillies had kicked the tires on Alec

537
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: Bohm for George Kirby or Logan Gilbert, one of their

538
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 1: two starters. So I got West and Wilson fan page

539
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 1: on Instagram says, what about one of those? What about

540
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: a bomb for George Kirby type of trade? I like

541
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Speaker 1: it you get a solid big league starter for sure.

542
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with either one of those.

543
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 5: And is it possible that the Mariners have enough his

544
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Speaker 5: starting pitching depth that they can do that maybe the

545
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 5: offense they need offense?

546
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 3: Do they need offense?

547
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 4: Those guys are like there were ones? And do you

548
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 4: think both brings back that that level of a pitcher

549
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:10,719
Speaker 4: or more.

550
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

551
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 3: He's got a lot of value.

552
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 5: But if that's again again, I mean, that's that's one

553
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 5: way to do That's when we're.

554
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 3: Going to do it.

555
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 4: Do you think the benching in the postseason? And I

556
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Speaker 4: know you've got to try to win it's the postseason.

557
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 4: You got to try to win today scuffle and there

558
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 4: were a lot of reasons for it. But you think

559
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 4: now that the dust has settled, the the timing of

560
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 4: the of the benching, the fact that it was so spotlighted,

561
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Speaker 4: does it almost look like does it hurt his value

562
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 4: a little bit, like almost like a red flag or

563
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 4: something that just the timing of it.

564
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 3: I think it was more honestly, I think that the people.

565
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Speaker 5: I think the reality of it is that his hand

566
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 5: wasn't really quite there. And we talk about this all

567
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Speaker 5: the time, no one really talks about it. I mean,

568
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Speaker 5: I don't think the guy was completely healthy. The hands

569
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 5: are very very hands and wrists for hitters are really important.

570
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 5: Let's let's talk about Jason Wirk. It was a real

571
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Speaker 5: big risk when we got him because he had a

572
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 5: lot of risk problems, had a bunch of you know, yeah,

573
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 5: he had a bunch of uh surgeries on his wrists,

574
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 5: you know, and and so that that was a big

575
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 5: risk for us, and when we got him originally he

576
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 5: ended up working around it.

577
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 3: But hands.

578
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 4: The reason I the reason, the reason I asked that

579
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 4: is I agree with that he's a good player with value.

580
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 4: I'm just surprised there's not a little bit more like

581
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 4: buzz around him in terms of teams, like we have

582
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 4: a chance to get Alec baul Oh.

583
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,239
Speaker 5: I think there's a lot. I think there is a

584
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 5: lot of buzz about him. I mean, I think there's

585
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 5: a lot of teams that would love to have this

586
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 5: guy under control for a couple more years.

587
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 3: I mean, this is a guy that.

588
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Speaker 1: And you know, what's funny is now he's regarded as

589
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 1: stuff I've read about him, is he's regarded as a

590
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: solid to above average defender.

591
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 2: I mean he's kind of.

592
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 3: One year two years of control for.

593
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 2: Him two years two years.

594
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, So I mean we're talking about the value

595
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 5: of him being under.

596
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 3: Control for two more years. And that's I thought was.

597
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Speaker 3: I don't know why I was down myself. I mean, man,

598
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 3: that is awfully significant thirteen that wants to gettend.

599
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 4: Particular, it might be win win if you think you

600
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 4: can move it forward by moving to me moving, but

601
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 4: the best might still be to come with Alec Bahum.

602
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: I agree, right, And then again you make that trade.

603
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 1: Your rotation is ridiculously good, but you still have to

604
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: fill that whole at third base. You still have to

605
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: address the offensive issues. So let's do a couple more

606
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: real quick the Rockies. How about Alec Bohm, Raphael Marshawn

607
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: and make able for centerfielder Brenton Doyle and third baseman

608
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: Ryan McMahon. Doyle is a free agent.

609
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 2: This is the thing.

610
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: Doyle is not a free agent until after the twenty

611
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: twenty nine season, so he's got a long way to go.

612
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: McMahon is signed through twenty twenty seven. He's owed twelve million,

613
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: sixteen million, sixteen million over the next three years.

614
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Speaker 2: I don't know if that seems a light made for me.

615
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: If i'm if I'm the Rockies, right, you know, Mick

616
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: Abel and Alec Bohm, you get, Yeah, Brenton Doyle locked

617
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: up for several more years. I mean, maybe you want

618
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: to get out from Ryan McMahon's contract.

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Speaker 5: I just don't see how the Rockies would want to

620
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 5: do this. Yeah, I think they want to try to

621
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 5: keep all their young players. They're not going to contend

622
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 5: anytime soon. I don't think that they're I don't think

623
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 5: that they're moving forward mick Abel. Do they think he's

624
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 5: good enough? They probably would be asking for somebody like

625
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 5: Painter or somebody a little. I mean, mcabel has a

626
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 5: chance to be really good, but he hasn't really shown

627
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 5: it yet. I just don't know that this is the

628
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 5: right This is going to be something that the Rockies

629
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 5: would would want to do.

630
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Speaker 1: And both of those guys strike out a lot too.

631
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: Those both of those guys swing and miss a lot,

632
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: So you're kind of like, no, you make that trade

633
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: and everybody's going wastecond. I thought you're trying to like

634
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: put the ball in play more.

635
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. I like Brent Doyle.

636
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 5: I like his talent, like his speed, and like his ability.

637
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 5: But but he's got a lot, kind of kind of

638
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,479
Speaker 5: a long way to go to be a bonifi everyday

639
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 5: center fielder.

640
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 4: For me, didn't you want a gold Glove?

641
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 3: Was a finalist, he was close to a finalist.

642
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 5: He might have won it, But I mean, rest listen,

643
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 5: he's got you can cover some ground and all that

644
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 5: kind of stuff, but you have it in Johann Rojas.

645
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 8: Mm hmm.

646
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 3: I mean this upside offensively a little bit higher than

647
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 3: Rojas is perhaps, but I don't know.

648
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 5: I don't think that moves a needle for a guy

649
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 5: like Boem and I just don't think it's you know again,

650
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 5: if you're gonna move bow Man, you better get awfully

651
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 5: better in some area. And I don't think you're getting

652
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 5: awfully better in one area here.

653
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 2: How about this one? This is a little off the

654
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 2: wall in my opinion.

655
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: This is from PSU beat Mafia on X Lucas Gioledo

656
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: for Alec Boom. Lucas is Lucas hasn't bitch. I don't

657
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: know what his health situation is, like, you know, yeah,

658
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: that'd be that'd be a really ballsy trade for the

659
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: Phillies if they you know, I'm.

660
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 3: Not I'm not a Geoledo guy. Man. I know it changed.

661
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 3: You know, he did a lot of differ things to

662
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 3: change himself up.

663
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 4: But I mean, come on, he had elbow surgery.

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Speaker 3: A real commodity. Who's really good for a guy that

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Speaker 3: you don't even know is healthy? Right? Right?

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Speaker 2: So Marlins, Marlins?

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Speaker 3: Might I might get the worst that might get the

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Speaker 3: worst deal?

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Speaker 4: What do they get?

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Speaker 3: What do they get?

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Speaker 2: Marlins? How about this one? How about this one from

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Speaker 2: the Marlins?

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Speaker 1: Dave Dombrowski calls him, because we'll give you Justin Crawford

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Speaker 1: and Starling Cabba. Are you know two of our top

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Speaker 1: five prospects for Sandy al Contra.

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Speaker 3: I would do that? Yeah? Would you do that? If

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Speaker 3: you would?

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Speaker 2: You would you do that? If you're the Marlins?

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Speaker 3: You never know what they're gonna do over there?

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Speaker 4: Who knows so well coming back from elbow surgery? How

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Speaker 4: much control does he.

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Speaker 3: Have so that you know that, I don't know, sign

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Speaker 3: him with a multi year deal.

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Speaker 2: When he's healthy though obviously he's amazing.

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Speaker 5: Dude, if he's healthy, I would take Sandy al Contra

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Speaker 5: for Justin Crawford and Starling Cobb. I'm sorry, I would

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Speaker 5: do it. These are these are Crawford's going to be

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Speaker 5: a good player and Tapa's got a chance to.

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Speaker 3: Be a good player.

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Speaker 5: But their prospects and Sandy al Contra is a renial

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Speaker 5: of Cy Young Award candidate, so you want And you.

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Speaker 1: Know, Sandy went into this season with over five years

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Speaker 1: of service time, so he's.

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Speaker 3: I think he's signed though, what is oh yea yea.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yea yeah, My bad, my bad.

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Speaker 1: He sent a five year, fifty six million dollar contract

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Speaker 1: carries him through twenty twenty six with a twenty seven.

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Speaker 2: Team options, so he's he's under control for a while.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I would do that, man, especially.

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Speaker 1: But again, but what with the you know, that's the

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Speaker 1: thing I always tell people when I get you know,

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Speaker 1: people email me Draper Bowls. They say, well, yeah, if

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Speaker 1: you're the Phillies, you would jump at this opportunity to

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Speaker 1: make this trade.

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Speaker 2: But if you're the other team, what are you saying?

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Speaker 2: Right right?

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Speaker 1: It's you know, the other team can't get hosed. They're not,

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Speaker 1: you know, so that might be a little light, right

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Speaker 1: if you're the mar If you're the Marlins, are you

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Speaker 1: going I need more than beauties in.

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Speaker 3: That Beauty's in the eye of the holder. Though, Man,

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00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 3: some croft position, you're talking about.

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Speaker 5: A center fielder, and you're talking about middle of the

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Speaker 5: diamond players to middle of the diamond players are premium players,

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Speaker 5: and so it's almost like i'mving a catcher in a

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Speaker 5: centerfielder or a catcher. You know, you're talking about a

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Speaker 5: possible shortstop for I don't know how long, and a

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Speaker 5: centerfielder for I don't know how long. I mean he's

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Speaker 5: got yeah, I mean, this is a very interesting framework

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Speaker 5: you talked about framework, Jim, This is an interesting one

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Speaker 5: for me.

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Speaker 4: No doubt. And he you know, a contra fits your

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Speaker 4: championship window type what you're looking to do the next

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Speaker 4: couple of.

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Speaker 3: Years, no doubt, and you don't.

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Speaker 4: Marlins aren't going to win. I think some of the times,

727
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Speaker 4: like these teams get a little greedy on what they

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Speaker 4: want back, Like maybe the White Sox got greedy on

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Speaker 4: Crochet in July. You know, sometimes getting to two very

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Speaker 4: good ones, you know, do you really want to push it?

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Speaker 4: Try to get third one? All right, that's an intriguing

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Speaker 4: deal for a team like that to me, because of Marlin,

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Speaker 4: it's just not going to win, and you're gonna put

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Speaker 4: You could put two very good young prospects in your system,

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Speaker 4: but like they may, they may want a third. I

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Speaker 4: don't know.

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Speaker 1: The last one we'll do is how about this Philly's

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Speaker 1: looking to put the ball in play more this season?

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Speaker 2: How about Bryce and Stott? We haven't heard his name

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00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: mentioned yet. Mick Abel and Jose Alvarado to the padres

741
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Speaker 2: for Luisa Rise. That's from Mark eighty four on Blue Sky.

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Speaker 4: How much control does the Rise have? What's his sons from?

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Speaker 2: I think he's a yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think he's one year, look look great in the

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00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 4: Phillies lineup. He's what kind of what they need?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I think the Phillies like Stott a lot more than

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Speaker 4: they let on. I think that they see ceiling there

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Speaker 4: and chance to really rebound and improve good defender. I'm

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Speaker 4: just not sure they would do that. And he's got control,

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure they would do that given a lot

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Speaker 4: of those circumstances, even for such a good contact hitter

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Speaker 4: and a good hitter like our eyes would really look

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Speaker 4: good here. I'm not sure they would. I'm not I'd

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00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 4: have to really look at that a little more closely.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just for one year. I just don't know. I

758
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 3: know it's a win now situation.

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00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 5: I just I think Scott has a lot more value

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00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 5: through the Phillies than it does to another team. And

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Speaker 5: I think you're absolutely right about that, because here's a

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Speaker 5: guy that don't forget now. He was a shortstop for

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Speaker 5: the team that went to the World Series in his

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Speaker 5: rookie year, much like Kevin Stoker did years ago. I mean,

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Speaker 5: but this guy can play in the middle infield. I

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Speaker 5: think he's going to be a better hitter. I don't

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Speaker 5: think he's going to be a Luisa Rise eventually, but

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Speaker 5: I think he's going to get close to that at

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Speaker 5: some point.

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Speaker 3: And they have him under control for several more years.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know that.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's an interesting idea, but I don't know

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Speaker 5: if it's the right thing for the Phillies today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: All right, so we we went over a bunch of them.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot more, but we we're not gonna we

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Speaker 1: can't go over trade proposal. Rubenes one stick out to you.

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Speaker 1: We had Philly Basement on X did Boham Roja, Seth

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Speaker 1: Johnson mcgable for Croshane Robert Jr. We had the M

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Speaker 1: D D c on X did Hellsley Brandon, Donovan Johnson,

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Speaker 1: Dante Nori, Devin saltabon player to be named. We had

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Speaker 1: the Ian Shawn Bluesky did Justin Crawford and Starling Cobbra,

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Speaker 1: the Marlins for Sandey all Contra.

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Speaker 2: Is anyone I'm missing that you liked?

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Speaker 5: So I'll start with the one the Marlins justin Crawford

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Speaker 5: and Starland Cobba for Sandy al Contra.

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Speaker 3: That's certainly in the running, okay.

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Speaker 5: The one that's in the running for me is Alec

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Speaker 5: Bohm for George Kirby and and Logan Gilbert. That's that's

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Speaker 5: number two for me, okay, in the in the running,

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Speaker 5: in the running, got it. And I think that there

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Speaker 5: was another deal that was sort of interesting, but there was.

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Speaker 2: Devin Williams was a bone for Devin Williams or.

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Speaker 5: It was a bone for Williams that was intriguing as well.

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Speaker 5: So those are the top three for me, and then

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Speaker 5: ultimately I probably will go to the Marlins justin Crawford

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Speaker 5: and start on Comma for Sandy al Contra.

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Speaker 3: All right, the one for me. I love starting pitching, baby,

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Speaker 3: you know that, I know, I know this. The four races.

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Speaker 3: Let's go.

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Speaker 4: Sandiel Contra would love to come to Philadelphia. My recollection

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Speaker 4: is he always loses one nothing to the Phillies.

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00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 5: Correct, and he's he's sick of the red October stuff.

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00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 3: He's sick of it. You know, he'd rather have it on.

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00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 2: His side, no doubt about it.

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00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 3: I just I just.

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Speaker 5: Think that he, uh, he sort of fits the bill

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Speaker 5: for making this team significantly better and gives this team

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Speaker 5: the kind of starting pitching depth.

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Speaker 3: That can get him really push him over.

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Speaker 5: It gives a strength it you know it also if

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Speaker 5: he if indeed he's healthy, I mean, it takes a

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00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 5: lot of heat off of guy like al excuse me,

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Speaker 5: Aaron Nola, you know you don't know whether these guys

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Speaker 5: are going to be healthy another year. I mean, I

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00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 5: just love the depth of get another guy like Sandy

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00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 5: al Contra, man, let's go.

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Speaker 1: That would be fun, man. And then you have Andrew

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Speaker 1: Painter maybe coming up.

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Speaker 3: There were.

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Speaker 4: There were double a little bit, but there were a

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00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 4: lot of good ideas.

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00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 3: Good frameworks. Yeah, it's good stuff.

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00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 2: Good frameworks.

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Speaker 3: I like that.

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Speaker 1: But it's a great baseball buzz round the framework of

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Speaker 1: a deal. You know, we had a good framework of

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00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 1: a deal laid out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks everybody for sending those in. That's kind of cool.

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Speaker 3: It's good.

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Speaker 8: Wouldn't it be something if Dave Dombrowski somebody sent him

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Speaker 8: some of these trade proposals and then they make one

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Speaker 8: of these trades. He's like, you know what made me think?

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Speaker 8: They call up the Marlins. I was listening to this

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Speaker 8: little show called The Philly Show, and.

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Speaker 2: This guy Ian Shaw threw out this idea. I said,

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00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 2: you know what, what the hell, why not? I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: call him and.

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Speaker 3: Ask him nice going in yourself a T shirt.

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Speaker 1: You get yourself a Philly Show T shirt, and we'll

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Speaker 1: reach out to you and make that happen. So that

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00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: was fun, guys, that was I think that was a

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00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: good exercise. Maybe the Phillies will actually make a real trade,

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Speaker 1: not a hypothetical theoretical trade in the coming weeks that

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Speaker 1: we'll that we'll be able to chat about and dig

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Speaker 1: in and dissect. So and we'll be at the Winter

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Speaker 1: Meetings next week, so we'll get together and we'll be

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Speaker 1: uh we'll have some shows for you.

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Speaker 4: From to Todd and I will be together. Reuben will

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Speaker 4: be uh hawking up.

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Speaker 1: We'll be behind the velvet rope waving at Ruben while

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Speaker 1: he's on the air.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I'll have you guys come up as a guest.

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00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 3: Maybe there we go, There we go.

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Speaker 2: That would be amazing, that would be fun. That was great.

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Speaker 1: Guys had a good good time, And we'll see everybody

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Speaker 1: next week.

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