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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: I'm raring this hat quest Love for you. This is

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Speaker 2: my drumming hat in high school in the high school bands. Man. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you still have that.

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Speaker 3: Wow, that's amazing. Yeah all right, Uh, I'm not nervous

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Speaker 3: at all.

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Speaker 2: Good. We gotta get your.

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Speaker 3: Hat like that of mair ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 4: This is quest Love Supreme. I am quest Love, your

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Speaker 4: host of the day. We are here with fun Tigolo

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Speaker 4: f Takeolo.

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Speaker 3: Where you at right now?

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Speaker 2: I'm at the crib man. I just uh, I came

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Speaker 2: in just straight from the gym, so you know, sweat

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Speaker 2: same shame here, yep, shame.

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Speaker 4: It's it's something about uh March that creeps in that says, okay,

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Speaker 4: summer coming.

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Speaker 3: I gotta get my summer by yeah, mineus picnic.

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Speaker 5: Body, so yeah, I.

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Speaker 4: Want to look halfway presentable with the picnic. H Steve,

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Speaker 4: how are you pal?

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Speaker 2: I'm good, really looking forward to this interview like everybody else.

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Speaker 3: How interesting was your evening?

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Speaker 2: Super interesting? Definitely trying to hear you pronounce words and

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Speaker 2: so forth.

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Speaker 4: All right, Steve, As you guys know, I can't stop

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Speaker 4: writing books. And one of the well I'm not trying

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Speaker 4: to say unfortunate, but one of the things that I

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Speaker 4: am not much of a fan of in the process

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Speaker 4: of book writing is doing the audio books, especially when

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Speaker 4: Steve is on standby to hear me struggle with college words.

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Speaker 4: And he definitely got a ear full last night. But look,

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Speaker 4: we got more important pressing matters on our hands. Let

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Speaker 4: me just say that I know that a line share

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Speaker 4: of my personal music knowledge, you know, honestly came into

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Speaker 4: play once hip hop contextualized my parents boring record made

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Speaker 4: it interesting, which you know, basically my age fourteen fifteen sixteen.

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Speaker 4: Of course I could ratle off any musician's name, but

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Speaker 4: I wasn't in a slouch either when I was a kid.

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Speaker 4: But you know this, this knowledge I have a music

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Speaker 4: really became a thing when I was a teenager.

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Speaker 3: However, I will say that.

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Speaker 4: In my life in real time, and I'm talking about

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Speaker 4: when I'm seven years old, there were two particular drummers

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Speaker 4: who I idolized. And of course, if you're a longtime

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Speaker 4: listener of the podcast, you already know that I've had

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Speaker 4: the pleasure of doing a one on one with my

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Speaker 4: idol Steve Rone, formerly of The Average White band today

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Speaker 4: is no exception, and today we'll actually complete that circle,

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Speaker 4: because if I'm really honest with myself, our guest today

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Speaker 4: might be the first air quote fusion drummer that I

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Speaker 4: became familiar with.

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Speaker 3: Not exactly by choice.

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Speaker 4: It just so happens that a particular family excursion of

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Speaker 4: nineteen seventy seven on a trip to Disney World in

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Speaker 4: a van with an A track tape player as our

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Speaker 4: entertainment and maybe six A track tapes in rotation, and

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Speaker 4: one of those six A track tapes had heavy rotation

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Speaker 4: of the debut album of our guest on the Show today,

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Speaker 4: entitled Garden of Love Light. And one song in particular

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Speaker 4: that I know that I personally put ten thousand Gladwellian

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Speaker 4: hours in a practice was a tune called The Sun

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Speaker 4: Is Dancing. And now that I think about it, I

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Speaker 4: think the very first time that I nerded out on

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Speaker 4: Bassis Megabasis will Lee of The Letterman Show was more

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Speaker 4: about him playing on that album than it was anything

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Speaker 4: else that Willy has done. Willie's done legendary shit, but

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Speaker 4: I will say that his resume is beyond impressive. Name

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Speaker 4: It Whitney Arefa, Mariah, George, Michael Jeff Beck Campbell, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Temi Campbell, Barbaris Streiss and Wynald Richie Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, Dona.

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Speaker 3: Ross, Rachel my Vision Orchestra.

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Speaker 4: He's worked with everyone but me, and the time I

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Speaker 4: think I'm trying to be him, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: Not to mention, I will say that he's probably the

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Speaker 4: first human being that I've ever taken note of that

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Speaker 4: even mentioned the word that I'm obsessed with now post pandemic,

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Speaker 4: which is meditation. So this is a long overdue conversation

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Speaker 4: with the great legendary. Please welcome Nordom, Michael Walton, finally

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Speaker 4: the Quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much man, a long time man. Wow,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much. Happy to be here. This is wonderful.

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Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of yours, breath, a big fan

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Speaker 2: of yours. You know, you bring the funk, man, you

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Speaker 2: bring the soul, and you bring the integrity to the music.

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Speaker 2: Some I'm really really loving you.

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Speaker 4: Then I'm bringing everything I ever learned from you, man, So.

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Speaker 3: Now you know what it is.

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Speaker 4: I'm also realizing I've met you briefly before, and I

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Speaker 4: will say that there are very few human beings that

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Speaker 4: have an instantaneous.

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Speaker 3: Disarming chip that I wish I had. You have a

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Speaker 4: Calm that I now know that. Of course, your resume

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Speaker 4: is that impressive because I believe that you have a

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Speaker 4: sort of calming element, because you produced some people that

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Speaker 4: I would believe would be some of the hardest people

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Speaker 4: personality wise to even step with. I've said no to

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Speaker 4: a few of these people were just like drumming with

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Speaker 3: Of dealing with that.

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Speaker 4: But can I ask you, like, what when did you

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Speaker 4: develop this personality of just calmness, Like you have a

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Speaker 4: very disarming like have you ever gotten angry in your life?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, sure, sure I do, of course I do.

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Speaker 2: It's just that I learned, like what you're speaking about

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Speaker 2: aspect was really powerful. It is really powerful. And then

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Speaker 2: you mentioned meditation, So through meditation and the love aspect

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Speaker 2: that became the most important part, and that the person

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Speaker 2: I'm working with could feel that love to do their best,

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Speaker 2: and then that would just make everything just go. So

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Speaker 2: I kind of just pray, swim, you know, get myself

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Speaker 2: Then they start singing whatever they're going to do, and

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Speaker 2: then endorphins kick in and are gone. But that spirit

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Speaker 2: of love is really really important. That's what I want

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Speaker 3: You about that.

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Speaker 5: Do you have a pre studio ritual that you do

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Speaker 2: You know you can see behind me. I have a candle,

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Speaker 2: two camels here and a candle up there. You know.

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Speaker 2: I burn a little incense every now and again. I

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Speaker 2: Probably the most incredible moment along this line was after

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Speaker 2: I made the songs of two songs, Who's the Men Who?

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Speaker 2: Until You Say You Love Me? And Here and flew

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Speaker 2: back to Detroit, Michigan to meet Aretha. It looking in

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Speaker 2: her eyes is scary that would that would scare you?

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Speaker 2: That would that scared me? But there again, you know,

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Speaker 2: I let her know in my spirit, my eyes, my love,

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Speaker 2: I'm not here to fight, I'm not here to make

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Speaker 2: then once the music comes on and then she starts

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Speaker 2: just gets happy. And then it's like, well, what do

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Speaker 2: you want to eat? You want cheeseburger, you want, you know,

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Speaker 2: fried chicken? What you want? And all that sounds happening.

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Speaker 4: See, I wish I'd known you previously, Steve could have

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Speaker 4: tested this.

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Speaker 3: You know. Of course I'm still here at the tonight.

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Speaker 4: Show and Lovely Lovely, and I've only had one client

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Speaker 3: But when it.

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Speaker 4: Came to a refa and the alpha level of testing

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Speaker 4: that we were put through, I failed that test.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, you know it was like.

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Speaker 4: My ego was there because in my mind I'm like, well,

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Speaker 4: I'm holding up the tradition, like we are holding up

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Speaker 4: the tradition of Cornell dupri and Bernard Purty like her seventies,

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Speaker 4: and all this stuff, and you know, I just now

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Speaker 4: regret that that move. But I was just like, well, no,

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Speaker 4: I'm fine. If you want to sing behind your karaoke track,

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Speaker 3: And she did so, and.

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Speaker 4: It could have been magic, but you know it was

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Speaker 4: definitely I didn't know about what you just said, Like

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Speaker 4: we're dealing with people and how to disarm them and

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Speaker 4: all that stuff. And so first starters, Where were you born.

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Speaker 2: I'm from Calamazoo, Michigan, between Chicago and Detroit, rightland middle

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Speaker 2: you know, and Battle Creek, Michigan is not far away

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Speaker 2: All the Star comes from, you know, with all that

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Speaker 4: I'm only laughing because Kalamazoo is always my go to

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Speaker 4: know I always in Kalamazoo, miss but I've never known

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Speaker 2: Now you do, Now you do.

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Speaker 4: I read a really interesting story about you in a magazine.

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Speaker 3: I think it was right on.

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Speaker 4: I'm not certain, but the very first thing I've ever

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Speaker 4: read about you. I happen to be reading this story

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Speaker 4: a year before were in Philadelphia. And I don't remember

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Speaker 4: the exact lining of the earth whatever, but I do

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Speaker 4: know that we were about to go through in nineteen

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Speaker 2: Oh wow.

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Speaker 4: And it was one of the things were like the

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Speaker 4: school was like handing out these these sunglasses and.

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Speaker 3: You must never look in the sun or else you'll

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Speaker 4: And yes, yes, And I remember reading an interview of

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Speaker 4: you where you said you were so inspired by Stevie

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Speaker 4: Wonder that could you tell that story?

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Speaker 3: Please?

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Speaker 2: Okay, brother, that's true story. Okay, let me just go

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Speaker 2: back up just for a second to say that Ray Charles,

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Speaker 2: George Sharing or blind men knocked me out with their genius.

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Speaker 2: And then on the scene, my aunts, my mom's sisters,

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Speaker 2: they're Vickian Valor there their twins. They said, well, you know,

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Speaker 2: on the scene now is a little boy your age,

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Speaker 2: maybe a little older than you, but he plays drums

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Speaker 2: better than you play. And he's incredible. I said, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to buy it. And he said, oh no.

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Speaker 2: His little name is little Stevie Wonder you know. And

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Speaker 2: he plays. I said, how can you he's blind, how

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Speaker 2: can you even see the drums? Well he does, Okay, okay, okay.

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Speaker 2: But not long after came out a song that was

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Speaker 2: a live version of Fingertips, and Fingertips were smoking and

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Speaker 2: enough to go to Chicago, my dad comes from Chicago,

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Speaker 2: and go to the Regal Theater and see him play.

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Speaker 2: You know, five stairsteps Curtis Mayfield. We're hearing everything. We're

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Speaker 2: So you love Prince. That's why Prince is so bad ass,

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Speaker 3: I see. Were you a big record collector as a kid.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love the records. I love the records, and

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Speaker 2: I just played keyboard piano to write my songs. You know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Who were your idols?

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Speaker 4: Once you develop your style, like, who's the person that

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Speaker 3: Who's your north star?

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Speaker 2: aspect got me more than the chops, just the swinging

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 4: So I've talked to many an artist and of a

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Speaker 4: Of course, like Motown twenty five was another north Star

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, I knew the Beatles were coming because I

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Speaker 2: had a cigarette on the cover and that was unusual,

437
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 2: just to see a cat having a cigarette bowl on

438
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 2: the cover. Just small things like that. There's a Catholic

439
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 2: school and so the girls were already certain rumble about

440
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 2: the Beatles. It was already catch them fire, and that

441
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 2: was unusual because no one ever talked about music. So

442
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 2: here they are rumbling about the Beatles. It's like, really,

443
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 2: you guys are into this. So when it hit and

444
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,400
Speaker 2: the best thing was this man, not just that show,

445
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 2: but check this out. It'd be John Lennon saying, well,

446
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 2: our favorite female vocalist is Mary Wells. It's like, damn

447
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 2: Mary well That's that's Detroit, That's where I live. But

448
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 2: little white girls a little better at the school. They

449
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,239
Speaker 2: who's Mary. It's like, damn, that's Mary Wells. They don't die.

450
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 2: I don't know Mary Wells, they would say, and then

451
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 2: ring John would say, well, also, our favorite male singer

452
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 2: is a little Richard, Little Richard, little Richard that was

453
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 2: on a seven year you know, long tall sally all

454
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 2: those records. So but they have no idea who they were.

455
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 2: So the Beatles really educated all these people who I knew,

456
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 2: the little white kids whatever to what was really going down.

457
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 2: So I do and I liked that. I liked that

458
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,360
Speaker 2: that's caught. That caught us because they're not the're talking

459
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 2: about black people and given a shine which we never had.

460
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. That was a big to do.

461
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 2: And I'm telling you, man, this whole beatle Mania thing

462
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 2: was real. So you're born with seventy one? What do

463
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:38,959
Speaker 2: what do you born right?

464
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 3: Seventy one?

465
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, so this is like sixty three, sixty four.

466
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 2: It was on fire. We never experienced like it. Just

467
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 2: even the plane, the plane landing, looking at them coming

468
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 2: off the plane, people going hysterical, so just it just

469
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 2: you go wow, wow. The music was good, but it

470
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 2: was all the frenzy around it me like incredible, damn.

471
00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 2: But then when they started loving black people, I was like,

472
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 2: I like these kids, you know what I was talking

473
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 2: to talk about, talk about litle Richard, you know what

474
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 2: I was talking about by your married Wells. So that's

475
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 2: what it was, man, the catching of all these things

476
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 2: that were like cool.

477
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 3: Got it got yeah? All right?

478
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 4: So how far is Detroit from Kalamazoo? And at any

479
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 4: point did you make a move to Detroit? Like was

480
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 4: Motown calling you or that sort of thing?

481
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 2: I would love. I would love to have gone to

482
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 2: to Motown. I've gone. We would drive to Detroit to

483
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 2: go visit a family friend or whatever and just go

484
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 2: by the street. But you know, you could never go

485
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 2: in there. It was like a sacred territory. You know,

486
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 2: you could never go in there. But just to go

487
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 2: buy it, just drive by it would be like a

488
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 2: big deal. So I don't have any stories of like,

489
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 2: you know, going inside there or anything. But we all

490
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 2: were just like religion. The chord changes and the way

491
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 2: they put it together with the sounds and the great singers.

492
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 2: It was just a religion, man.

493
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 3: Damn.

494
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, what was your what was your band? Experience like

495
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 4: in your teen years, like were you forming bands in high.

496
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 2: School or yes, yeah, my first band was I was

497
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 2: eleven and he'd be ten. He played Hammond B three

498
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 2: and his name is Joel Brooks and he was brilliant,

499
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 2: like Jimmy Smith, a young kid, Jimmy Smith. So it

500
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 2: just drums me and him on organ. And his uncle

501
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 2: owned a little nightclub called the Ambassador Lounge on the

502
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 2: north side of Caladizoo, the Black side of calnal Zoo.

503
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,719
Speaker 2: So he can go on in the Ambassador Lounge and

504
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 2: be the opening at because his uncle owned the place

505
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 2: before Jim mcgrifford, whoever's coming through town is gonna play

506
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 2: what it was, Yes, So it was like first hand

507
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 2: experienced playing Jane Jane or where we were gonna play

508
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 2: before they came on. And you know that was just

509
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 2: mind blowing because I must tell you also a part

510
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 2: of what I love there is a record by Kennat

511
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 2: Jimmy Smith called The Sermon Is twenty two minutes long.

512
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 2: Were what it did to my brain is e equals

513
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: empty square. Art Blakey played a batbeat two and four

514
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 2: the whole record, because you know those cat jazz guys

515
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 2: are busy, No, but dude, it just rocks like a

516
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 2: blues record. I realized the power of that, and that

517
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 2: really helped me a lot. That you could just put

518
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 2: down and it's and people love it even more so. Man,

519
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 2: those experience when I was eleven with the Ambassadors, that

520
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 2: helped me that band. And then we bring a little

521
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 2: horn player into it. You know, Captain was studying at

522
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 2: the at the university on trumpet Pierre, or a Sacic

523
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 2: player or a vise player, Carl. You know, I gonna

524
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 2: expand the sound. So I had great experience playing the

525
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 2: young like that, and then uh, I would do that.

526
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 2: Then the rock thing of my own bands. And then

527
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: as I got a little I left home when I

528
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 2: was about sixteen years old, right, and I had now

529
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 2: go to keyboards. I played Fender bass Oregon and we

530
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 2: do like what does It Take by Junior Walker all Stars,

531
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 2: those type of songs. But I'm playing keyboards now. So

532
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 2: and then that band was called Distance in the Far.

533
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 2: Then I had another band I played bass that's called

534
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 2: the Mother Thump with the Flunkies. Now we're doing Expressway

535
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 2: to Your Heart and Grand Funk Railroad. You know, are

536
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 2: you ready all that music. Yeah. So, and then before

537
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 2: I left Kalamazoo, I joined a horn band, kind of

538
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 2: a Chicago horn band, but very progressive called Avatar and

539
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 2: they were really, really, like, probably the most progressive band

540
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: I've been with. And then my friend who played trouble

541
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 2: with that band, Bobby Napp, he said, do you know

542
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 2: about this record by Cold Blood called I said no.

543
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 2: He played me this cap man named Sandy McGee on

544
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: an album called Siss. And to this day, you say

545
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 2: north Star moment, that's still my north Star moment. Sandy

546
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 2: McGee on drums.

547
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 4: Wow, Okay, So when's the moment in which you're like, Okay,

548
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 4: this is my profession.

549
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 3: I am going to be a drummer.

550
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 2: Always. I didn't want to ever do anything else. I

551
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 2: remember one day I had joined a band called dickon

552
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: Wings so Revival that came to Calamazoo. They took me

553
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 2: up after I did want to be in college anymore.

554
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 2: I went three semesters of college. I packed my drums

555
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,719
Speaker 2: in their school bus and went out to play them Flint, Michigan,

556
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: these little nasty joints. But it was so important that

557
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: I did that because that I really knew how to

558
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 2: connect with the people people people, the people people people,

559
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: and that was that same and my dad. I come

560
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 2: back to Calendars to go play some more clubs, and

561
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 2: my dad would saying, why didn't you just become a policeman,

562
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 2: you know, because this whole road thing for you, I

563
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 2: don't know if you should be doing that. But now

564
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 2: now I was always a drummer. Then that band decided

565
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 2: to go out to California. Now here we are going

566
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: out to California. I came out to California, you know,

567
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 2: we played shows out here and you know, in Hollywood

568
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: and all that. Then that band broke up. Then I decided, no,

569
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 2: I want to stay in California. And then that became hard.

570
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 2: Now my ship from receiving clerk downtown La, wrapping boxes

571
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 2: here in music, constantly just trying to get out of here,

572
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: you know, how to save myself. And I had a

573
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: few cousins, one that helped me out out in the

574
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: Englewood area and then another one out in Pasadena. He said,

575
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: come stay with me, and I did, and then it

576
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 2: was there I could like really shed was now the

577
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 2: Mobblished Workers album just came out. I had enough money

578
00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 2: to buy that Inner Mounting Flame album that just crush

579
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 2: to me. I'd never heard anything like Colbum vishnu on

580
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 2: that effort and seven nine eleven whatever, what the hell

581
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 2: funk you like a fucking dog god? So that became

582
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 2: my shedding shed And then I also love Buddy Miles,

583
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 2: the live album that got that Bam S Joe text.

584
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 2: You know, then for spiritual moments you put on Alice

585
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: Coltrane's Universal Consciousness side too. You know, it could be

586
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 2: Jack Vignette, you know, just like so how kind of

587
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 2: got off on mixing these worlds, the Colbumn, cleanless Buddy

588
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 2: funk and the Jackie net symbols. I love all that

589
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: stuff that I got that I met this cat man

590
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 2: you might know him Eddie Hazel. I had a band

591
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: with him called Ouch Why he was so mean because

592
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 2: me being good that he could play the funk really fast.

593
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 2: That prepared me for provision you later. But he'd be like,

594
00:30:55,040 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 2: look at and then you pass around this joint, but

595
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 2: it'd be laced with PCP the angel dust. So now

596
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 2: you're really getting out there. But you know you're looking

597
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,479
Speaker 2: at him because he's gorgeous, got his things on and

598
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: gorgeous and just playing so clean and so fast aries.

599
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 2: So those type of things happen for me. You know,

600
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: I've had great experiences.

601
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 4: I need I need to hear what Eddie Hazel was

602
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 4: like from a person not in the p funk atmosphere.

603
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 2: Just a big, big, big brain, you know, like Hendrick's

604
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 2: a big brain, you know, and not afraid of anything,

605
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 2: the rock, the tone, the funk, the black, like early prince,

606
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 2: like a prince could hug like he was, that could

607
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 2: do anything like in those worlds and not not scared

608
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 2: of anything. And and again this powerful, it's powerful, this

609
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 2: powerful thing that would go around and would be like,

610
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 2: oh my god, I almost can't mess with that because

611
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: I'm too I'm too sensitive, but it would just make

612
00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 2: you feel like whoa you know. So Eddie Hayes was

613
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 2: an influent I didn't stayed them very long, you know,

614
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 2: because he was always moving, but you know, but he

615
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: made a big influence in my life. You know. You

616
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: hear Maggot brains that how he plays on that record,

617
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 2: It's like that's who he is.

618
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 4: I would look to know at what point did the

619
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 4: teachings of Sri Chamoy enter your life, Like was it

620
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 4: during this period or was it later on.

621
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 2: Just after this period. This is my passage in the

622
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 2: LA experience I'm talking about, right, you know. And then

623
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 2: I had to work hard to try to find work

624
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: out in LA, you know, very hard. And they even

625
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 2: go back in the big what's called a you know,

626
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 2: an orderly in the hospitals to make ends meet. But

627
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 2: it wasn't long after I got a phone call from Miami.

628
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 2: A cat and down there named Santa Toronto, guitar player

629
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 2: from a winter band down in Santa Morono. He found

630
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 2: he heard about me. He said, come down to Miami.

631
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: So he bought my first plane ticket. I'd never been

632
00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 2: on the plane before. What it be it maybe seventy one,

633
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 2: seventy two, seventy one there, see, because I got to

634
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: my high school seventy so that's now the year you're born,

635
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 2: seventy one around that area. One that I fled in Miami,

636
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 2: and I like Miami, and it really opened my eyes

637
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 2: again because I'm at the universe. I wasn't at the university,

638
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 2: but at the university would be all these great cats

639
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: coming up. Pat Matheeni, you know, Danny Gotlieb hiring Bullock,

640
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 2: Cliff Card and Patty Scaffolo's now married to Bruce Bringsteen.

641
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,479
Speaker 2: They are all these young people like that. But my

642
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 2: friend was one of the teachers them stand SMOLDI and

643
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 2: I stayed with him and he'd have books on the group.

644
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: I said, okay, I said, this is the cat who's

645
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: inspiring my vision news. Yes, so then you start reading

646
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 2: the books of poetry on she was treaching moy that

647
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: were inspiring my vision news. The poems of birds of fire,

648
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 2: you know, my flute and immortality, all these things he

649
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 2: was writing that were just beautiful and very God ordained.

650
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: So I had a band down there called the New

651
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:59,959
Speaker 2: MacGuire Sisters. Now we really went full fledge rock spusion

652
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 2: out there, odd meters to the limit because now Mobby

653
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 2: Storchestra made it go there, and we'd have this big

654
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 2: warehouse where the sound would just be like enormous, like

655
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 2: I could mic my bass drum with a big SVT amplifier.

656
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 2: So I got used to just making this huge sound

657
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 2: in there. And then not long after we got all

658
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 2: this together, that band then moved to Connecticut, a place

659
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: called Canan, Connecticut, where up on the board of matth

660
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 2: Houst's in Connecticut a farm a bard where we could play.

661
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 2: It was an awesome sound, and then the little cabins

662
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 2: in a main house and so we could keep kept working.

663
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 2: But I was always scratching how am I gonna make it?

664
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 2: But how am I gonna make it? How am I

665
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: gonna make it? I was always on my soul. And

666
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: then not long after came through Hartford the Mobys Shtorkers'

667
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 2: second album, playing the Birds of Fire. And I had

668
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 2: my friend, our manager, take me down to that show

669
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 2: and dropped me off at the show. And what this

670
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 2: is really important because you asked about Guru. This was

671
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 2: my first time laying eyes on the real living Mobbish

672
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 2: new and cobblem And as I'm getting the I'm bit late,

673
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 2: the place is packed. There's a bright light on vish

674
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: you and it's just him on double neck guitar and

675
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 2: Cob going at it maybe in seventeen something so out

676
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 2: there you would never you can't even count it. But

677
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 2: they were like so intense with it. It was just nuts.

678
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 2: So I decided to walk right down to the edge

679
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 2: of the stage and look up in his eyes and

680
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: see what the hell is going on? And I did.

681
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: I looked right up in his eyes and he's he's

682
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:41,240
Speaker 2: just the bullets just bullets just like an adimal on fire,

683
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: and his eyes are back in his head and I go, yeah,

684
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 2: this is real. It's too intense to be made to me,

685
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 2: to be like memorized. It's just flowing through him. And

686
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 2: it went up for so long that could have been

687
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 2: like tw many minutes of this. I heard John Coltrane

688
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 2: on record with Elvin Jones just be out there for

689
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: the longest times. I've never seen anything live in a

690
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: rock setting. Marshals five's drum set, loud clean vibes. Oh

691
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 2: my god, clear fives, loud clean. It could stop like

692
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 2: that and back at it together. Oh Holy God, this

693
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 2: is this is now my life. This is now gotta

694
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 2: be what I gotta go to because if I if

695
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 2: I do another direction of my life, I could die.

696
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 2: I don't want to die. Jimmy, who are my fruit?

697
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 2: My heroes? Now I knew that the vision was into God.

698
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 2: He'd found the meditation way because I knew about his guru.

699
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: So that night I saw a guy in white. I

700
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 2: knew his disciple. His name is a Pikshah. I said, please,

701
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 2: a paic Shaw, I really have to meet Morvish team

702
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 2: back to meet him, and he was so kind to

703
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 2: me of the whole audience something I'm nobody. He gets

704
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 2: me backstage and Marvish to pokes his head and said,

705
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: go in that little room and I'll meet you in

706
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 2: one minute. And I wait that little tiny room and

707
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 2: I'm scared because I've never seen anything like this. And

708
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 2: I can hear Cobbm and Joan Hamer you know, Hi

709
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 2: talk in the other room like Mcca you know, and

710
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 2: Jon They're all and then maister comes in and he's

711
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 2: like English with this black mob. Miles Davis talk, hello, brother,

712
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 2: how are you?

713
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 3: You know?

714
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 2: Just like what is that? But that's how he was.

715
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 2: And I said, well, my name is Michael Wallas and

716
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: I said I've never seen anything like you, and I

717
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 2: want to be like you. I played drums and he said, well,

718
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 2: you know what I'm doing is larg as I do

719
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 2: to my prayer life, my meditation life. I said, yeah,

720
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 2: I know, because I ran on the back of your jackets.

721
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 2: These the poems by your group. He said yeah. He said,

722
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 2: I'm gonna see my grou at six in the morning

723
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 2: and I'll tell I met you. And that was like damn.

724
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: Here We're on the backstage in Hartford. It's almost one

725
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 2: in the morning. He is going to drive all night,

726
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 2: go back to Queens, New York and see the grew

727
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 2: at six am. That's not he's not going to sleep

728
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 2: after just what I saw him do. Something is so

729
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: small like that just rock my world. This is too

730
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 2: much and you know what happened. It's just God. Because

731
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 2: about a week later, I'm way out in the country

732
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 2: of Hayman, Connecticut, in the woods at this farm I

733
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 2: lived in, and the throne rings and it's Mahavish New.

734
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 2: He says, Ah, Man, it's Marvish New. And I can't

735
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 2: be the tonight, but I want you to go to

736
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 2: the meditation in Norwalk and meet the Grew tonight. I said, okay,

737
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 2: So Man, I had long hair. I brushed my hair back,

738
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 2: you know, and I got my shaver and I shaved

739
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 2: my beard off because I know they have no beards.

740
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 2: And my mom had made me a kind of a

741
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 2: white dog shiki. I put that white does she k on?

742
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 2: And we had an old limousine that the new McGuire

743
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: sisters had and my friend Greg Felt drove me down

744
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 2: there and to nor Walk. And when I got there,

745
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 2: that was I was a little bit late too, so

746
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: guess what happened. I go inside and I leave my

747
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 2: eyes on the grou The area is singing and playing

748
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 2: the harmonium and singing, and he sees me and keep singing.

749
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: And the girls are on one side, and the boys

750
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 2: and the other side. They're all wearing white, and the

751
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 2: girls are all wearing these kind of Indian sories. So

752
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 2: there's one chair left on the girl's sides. I sit

753
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: down with the girls, and then this old lady named Akoutie,

754
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 2: she gets up front and she reads out of his

755
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 2: new book called The Dance of Life, Part two. And

756
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 2: the poems in this book were just like knives in

757
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 2: my heart, because you know, it was just just crying

758
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 2: to God. You know, Oh Lord, how many days, how

759
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 2: many nights, how many minutes, seconds, hours must I cry

760
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: to see your face? How long must I wait to

761
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 2: see you? Go on and on like that, And then

762
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 2: that hit me again, Maybe what you're asking for, Michael,

763
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 2: It was not an ard, I was, Michael. Maybe what

764
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 2: you're asking for you're not really ready for. That's what

765
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 2: hit me again. Then I met a black gentleman just

766
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 2: after the whole thing, named Lelehan. He's all, let's go

767
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 2: stare as the library you know me by guy by

768
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,240
Speaker 2: a book, and then I can take you to the

769
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: to the UH to the restaurant called Love and Serve. Okay,

770
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 2: So I go up to the library and all these

771
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 2: books you have written, I have just enough moneed to

772
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 2: buy a book called The Dance of Life Part two

773
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,919
Speaker 2: that they had read the downstairs they had read from

774
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 2: So I buy that one book and I said'm walking

775
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 2: down the stairs. Man, here is the gurul in the

776
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 2: living room, just standing there kind of meditating. And I

777
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: stopped and he says, so you are mobbish and his

778
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 2: friend I said, yes, said you would like you would

779
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 2: like to become my disciple. I said I think I'm ready,

780
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 2: And he went into a long meditation like just all moblished,

781
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: the eyes back in his head, and just this feeling

782
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 2: came over me as I stood before him. And then

783
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 2: long after he said I accept through him my heart,

784
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 2: and then he kind of walked away. But as he

785
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: walked away, I kind of felt like an explosion and

786
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 2: happening inside of me, and maybe explosion of gratitude that

787
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 2: now I've not met my vision you now, I mean

788
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 2: it's girl. His giru has just accepted me. Who am. I.

789
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 2: That's what happened to me. And I was so grateful

790
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 2: that to be to be accepted, and I knew that

791
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 2: would save my life because I did not want to die.

792
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 2: I'm the kind of cat LSD loved the experiences of

793
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: being so high. But you can have a bad experience

794
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 2: and be out of here or at his BSPs and

795
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 2: the angel dosts and those things can just get you

796
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: out of here. Man, so here, this is the God way.

797
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 2: You just love God. You know you pray, you meditate,

798
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 2: you know you you you do beautiful things that you

799
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: offer your music to God. That change the whole trick

800
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 2: is obtected in my life.

801
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 3: All right, let me ask you something because it took me.

802
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 3: No no, no, no no. I appreciate you sharing that because.

803
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 4: The thing is is that it might have taken me

804
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 4: about five decades to even be open to that level

805
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 4: of spirituality. Because you know, for a lot of African

806
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 4: Americans in America, like we clutch onto our Christianity like

807
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 4: no one's business and any other kind of straying from

808
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 4: you know, what your grandmom taught to you, what her

809
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 4: grandmother taught her, what and so on and so forth

810
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 4: back to you know, our presence in this country is

811
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 4: often frowned upon amongst other black people. Like I remember

812
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,439
Speaker 4: seeing an interview with like Maurice White of earth Wood

813
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 4: Fire maybe like in the late seventies early eighties, where

814
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 4: he's talking about this level of spirituality and kind of

815
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,959
Speaker 4: looking at the adults in the room as he's saying

816
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 4: it's on television. They're frowning like mm hmm, see that's

817
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 4: that double shit. He ain't talking about Christianity. Da da da,

818
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 4: So like, what made you? Because this is not even

819
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 4: though this, this level of spirituality is our African origins?

820
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 2: Yes, what made you?

821
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 3: Just sort of bypass.

822
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 4: The fear of what will others think about me? Or

823
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 4: what will my parents say? Or what will my fellow

824
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,760
Speaker 4: Michigan's people or a fellow of black people?

825
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 3: They think like, I'm this weird? What made you just

826
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 3: bypass that?

827
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: I want to save my life? It was just me

828
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 2: against the world. It's just me against the world. How

829
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 2: am I going to make it? This is the way

830
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: to make it? Narada, My visions accepted you as a friend.

831
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 2: He's calling you the phone. This is his guru, his

832
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: grou's accepted you. It felt good to me. It was

833
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: a way of living a good life, of having a

834
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: way of directing my attention, my focus. And I needed that.

835
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 2: I know, I knew I needed it. I was raised Catholic,

836
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: I was raised with mother, married Jesus and all that,

837
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 2: and I hold the communion and all that and all

838
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 2: those things, you know, the your stay and the sanctuary

839
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 2: and all the beautiful music. But but that wasn't saving me.

840
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 2: And I had been clobbered by Morvish News Live, not

841
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 2: only on record, you know, unspoken heights live, I see.

842
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 2: And then to meet this teacher, he was beautiful, It

843
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 2: was nothing wrong. It was like, okay, would you follow Jesus. Yeah,

844
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 2: well there's a living example of someone living truth, talking truth.

845
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 2: What you're gonna do? So for me, it was a blessing,

846
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 2: absolute blessing. There was no doubt about that at all.

847
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 2: Only data was Am I Am I good enough? Am

848
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 2: I ready enough? Like I told you? When did you

849
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 2: when did he grant you with the name Nara? Well

850
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 2: that came later, he told me, laters, and I'm gonna

851
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna spoil you. I've spoiled so many, given

852
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 2: them names too fast or do early. I'm not gonna spoil,

853
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make you. And it wasn't until the release

854
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 2: of Garden of Lovelight that he gave me a min

855
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:13,919
Speaker 2: named Narda. And he said, no row dumb, no ruh.

856
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 2: That went on for so long, I don't know if

857
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 2: a name is nah rah ar Da. So he said, Narda,

858
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 2: Narda supreme musician. Narda' soul brings from having to Earth light,

859
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 2: delight and compassion and takes back to having from Earth

860
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,919
Speaker 2: earth sufferings. So the music, this is my role now

861
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 2: as Narda. Michael Oldham and uh yeah, what.

862
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 3: Leads to your deal at Atlantic Records?

863
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 4: And on top of that, how did you link with

864
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 4: of all people Tom Dowd on your first album.

865
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 2: I went through after I joined Mavish Orchestra and did

866
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 2: like two and a half years with my Vish Orchestra.

867
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 2: When that band stopped and Vishnu then went to Shakti

868
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 2: with you know, Zakia Hussein and that genius stuff. Then

869
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 2: I was really into a funk, in a depression because

870
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: now I didn't know what to do with my life.

871
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm I'm high now now all my chop

872
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: everything is. But what are you gonna do? You're not

873
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 2: in the band anymore. It was like the Beatle brook up.

874
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 2: So I just tried to think of what I was

875
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 2: going to do. I became a teacher for a while,

876
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 2: the drama workshop, the teacher's thing, what the word was

877
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 2: called someplace. I played top talk down there for a while. Anyway,

878
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 2: I'm saying to you, I just had to focus, and

879
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: I thought, well, that's just going to my solo career.

880
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 2: So then my attorney was Barry Plattine. He said, you

881
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: know what, Epic Records will pay for you to make

882
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 2: a demo, you know, because at least you've got some

883
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 2: names from coming to Movis structure. I said, okay. So

884
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 2: then I heard off Lenny White's album of Phoenician Summers,

885
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 2: this cat named Raymond Gomez, who I thought, damn, this

886
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 2: guy has got the chops like I'm wanting to hear.

887
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 2: And then when I met him, he had the both

888
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 2: sides of Candridge Blues with chops and infusionary. So I said, okay,

889
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 2: I want you. Would you play make my demo with

890
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 2: me and David Sanchez who had made his album Hime

891
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 2: on keyboards and then a guy like ru Lee was

892
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 2: David's bass player at the time. So then I went

893
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 2: to Epic and made son Is Dancing maybe delightful and

894
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 2: one wan one of the songs, or maybe maybe delfe

895
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 2: on one of the songs three three things, and the

896
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,919
Speaker 2: Epic turned it down. So then walk on the streets

897
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 2: thinking how you're gonna make it, How you're gonna make it,

898
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 2: how you're gonna make And then Barry said, just you know,

899
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 2: stay patient. And I got a phone call from my

900
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 2: cat named Raymond Silva from Atlantic. They were doing well

901
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 2: with now colbum and he said, you know, uh, you know,

902
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 2: maybe we'd be interested in you. So then I gave

903
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 2: them my tape that I've done for the Epic of

904
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 2: the Sun Is Dancing and maybe with a few things

905
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 2: I've cut, and I met Jerry Greenberg, who was a

906
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 2: president at the time, and then they offered me a deal.

907
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 2: But guess what, they said, we want half your publishing.

908
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 2: I said, okay, I wanted to deal that bad. I

909
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 2: was doing well with Wired. I wrote four so Always

910
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 2: on Wire for Jeff Beeck, so I'm making money so

911
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 2: that they said we won't have to publish. I said not,

912
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 2: I don't care. Just sign me, give me a shot,

913
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 2: and they did, and then they said, you have your

914
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 2: choice of two producers in house producers or Reef Martin

915
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 2: or Tommy Dowd. And I said, well, I love them both,

916
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 2: but this album is more on the rock side, and

917
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 2: I want to use this engineer from London who did

918
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:20,399
Speaker 2: the last Mobish album called Inner Worlds, named Dennis McKay right,

919
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,439
Speaker 2: So I thought maybe I should use Timy Tommy Dowd

920
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 2: because he's more on that side of things. And I did.

921
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 2: Tommy said hey, let's work, and Timy was so cool

922
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 2: and he just let me be me and help me.

923
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 2: And I was in that studio brother Whereretha and ray

924
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 2: and all that. That's why I cut the Garden Love

925
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 2: and that main studio and it'd be on I do

926
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 2: want to say. Another cat was there as Jimmy Douglas,

927
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 2: a young backup cat. He was my He was the second.

928
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 2: So it'd be him and desm Kay and Tommy, Tommy

929
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 2: Dowd and my hot band of Raymond Gomez David Sanchez

930
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 2: will Lee on bass and myself. That was the core.

931
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 2: I deliverhearsal forts so they'd know what to expect in

932
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 2: the studio so we could cut it fast because you know,

933
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 2: as you know still your time and all that expensive.

934
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,439
Speaker 2: So we went in there and know I knew White

935
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 2: Knight Ray and I wrote that and we knew how

936
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 2: to do it. I brought in a created ranger named

937
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 2: Michael Gibbs who did the Apocalypse album Mama Short, because

938
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 2: he was brought up to range my strings when I

939
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 2: wanted that. And then my friends came, like Carlos Santannaka

940
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 2: did to think of First Love, which is beautiful, Jeff

941
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 2: Beck Game to do Satan Lurascal, which is beautiful. So

942
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 2: I'm just really honored by that album, and I'm glad

943
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 2: that you know about it, because some people don't even

944
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 2: know about it. But that was my first soul album.

945
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: My baby, Yo, Yo, what up everybody. This is Fonte

946
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 2: Fontibelo from Team Supreme. We haven't done this in.

947
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 5: A while, but this conversation is so great and we

948
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 5: had so much to cover that we had to make

949
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 5: it a two parter. Look out for part two, drop

950
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 5: it next week or above this in your podcast feed.

951
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 5: In that conversation, Narta talks about his work with Whitney Houston,

952
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 5: Aretha Franklin Starship, and becoming one of the most in Deman.

953
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Speaker 1: Producers and all of music of all.

954
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 3: Time, Top flight.

955
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 5: Security of the world, Craig this conversation, it was mind

956
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Speaker 5: blowing from me.

957
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Speaker 2: And I know you're gonna enjoy it, all right, that's happening.

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