1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Friday Night Fun Here on Texans Radio. Mark 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Van Jermyer with you, joined by John Harris from the 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: Hunday Texans Radio studio right across the half in the 4 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: locker room at NRG Stadium, and Johnny, we see it. 5 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: People are packing up, getting ready for what I call 6 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: the desert. Here it is you. The very first year 7 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: I was here, I remember you called it. You called 8 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: it the desert without me knowing what it was, and 9 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: it was like the desert, like I didn't get it. 10 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 1: But then when you realize it's essentially crickets on one 11 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: side of the building for sure, and then of course 12 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: a lot of people are taking vacation trying to get 13 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: that in as well during that time. So it is, 14 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: it is very it is very desert like in the building. 15 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: It won't be for long, but it is that that 16 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: time of year where everybody kind of steps back and says, okay, 17 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: get yourself ready for September, August and September and let's roll. 18 00:00:56,040 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: And that's I just loved I've always I don't know 19 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: about you, Mark, but I know since you've been in football, 20 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: you've you've done this. We live our lives by the 21 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: football clock. And the NFL clock is very clear to me. Now, 22 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 1: it's very clear. It is starting in July. It's training camp, season, 23 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, combine draft, offseason, rest, then start all over again. Yeah, 24 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: and that's it, And I mean it's it's very clear. 25 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,199 Speaker 1: It's boom boom, boom boom. It's like that, justly repeat. 26 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:32,919 Speaker 1: You're not even getting to some of the other stuff 27 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: because if you just start with the beginning of the 28 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: league year. Now let's start with the end of the season. 29 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: You said Senior Bowl, you go, combine, free agency, owners meetings. 30 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: I go to those owners meetings, then off season conditioning, schedule, releases. 31 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: In these something is in their off season conditioning, the 32 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: ramp up to OTAs the actual draft during all that time. 33 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: I mean, they really And it's funny because when I 34 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: started working for the team in twenty twelve, I noticed 35 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: that the league was the big push was on to 36 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: really make it a year round thing. And it was 37 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: already happening, but there was sort of this moment of realization, 38 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: I think everywhere that this had overtaken spring training in 39 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: baseball over the last ten years, This had overtaken just 40 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: about anything in its path. You know, there are a 41 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: few things that show up, like the NCAA tournament. Oh 42 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: that's nice. Anyway back to focusing on NFL stories. It 43 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: just feels that way. Now. If the NBA in your town, 44 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: like it was this year, is really cooking in the postseason, 45 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: that's obviously something to take over or something actually gained 46 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: a lot of attention as well. But the NFL never 47 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: takes a backseat to anybody. Really, It's always up there 48 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: and it's well designed that way, and especially here, we're 49 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: so looking forward to it. I want to start with 50 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: Bernardrick McKinney, but a little bit later on, I got 51 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: this question about what does this offseason remind me of? 52 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: Is this the most excitement I felt going into the season? No, 53 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 1: all right, it is a ton of excitement. But I'll 54 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: tell you the season that probably had more going into 55 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: it and higher expectations, and maybe there are two other 56 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: seasons that had higher expectations than this one. I think 57 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: this is actually a lot more like another season than 58 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: no one's talking about. But we'll get it to that. 59 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: Let's start here, though. But Ardrick McKinney, inside linebacker Mississippi State, 60 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: signs an extension he was going into the last year 61 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: of his deal. And I was on the Morning Show 62 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: today with Seth and Mike and Paul, and I can't 63 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: remember everybody's on it because there's so many people on 64 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: it right now. They hypothesize that they'll have ten people 65 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: on it soon. They'll just get the kind of keep 66 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: recruiting too too many guys. But I was on the 67 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: Morning Show and we were talking about it. To me, 68 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: what an obvious thing to do for this team. I mean, 69 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: you cannot replace him so easily, and you can't afford 70 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: to let him hit the market next year. You just 71 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: do it. You know. It's not like in NBA terms, 72 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: we wouldn't call this a max deal. It's a very 73 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: great deal for him, very great deal for the team. 74 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: Let's move on and have him be the man in 75 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: the middle. I think certain those things you all said 76 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: dead on from from a financial standpoint, I don't think, 77 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: and I'm not looking at the deal. I just what 78 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: I've seen online and what I know about certain NFL deals. 79 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: I look at it and go, that's reasonable when you 80 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:24,799 Speaker 1: think about the inside linebackers. And again, this is where 81 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: it gets tricky for people, because with these Texans, it's 82 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: very difficult to say well amongst safeties, or amongst linebackers, 83 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: or amongst defensive ends. Because when you look at Jadeveon Clowney, 84 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: where do you compare him? Right? Do you compare him 85 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: to edge players? Do you compare them to defensive ends? 86 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: Compare them to defensive tackles. Heck, he plays inside linebackers somewhere. 87 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: Where do you compare Clowney to other players by position? 88 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: I think that could be problematic. And yes, bernardic does 89 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: play the majority of his time on the inside, but 90 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: it's the flex ability that he allows Romeo Crenell to 91 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: have because he can go outside. And I think about 92 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: that game. There are a couple of games I think about. 93 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: Number one, I think about the playoff games in sixteen 94 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: against Oakland. Oakland at Connor Cook back there, and they 95 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: would run some zone read with Connor Cook. And I 96 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: remember one of the adjustments that Romeo made in that 97 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: game was he took Brian Cushing and Bernard McKinney put 98 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: him any outside and then he would take Wit or 99 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 1: even Clowney and put him at linebackers, stand him up 100 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: and play linebackers. So they would swap spots. So you 101 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: got McKinney and Cushing having to hold up the edge 102 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: on zone read and then those linebackers. What allowed him 103 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: to do was those linebackers and air quotes. It allowed 104 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: Whitney and JD to just run through and stop up 105 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: any cutbacks, stop anything, and then run plays down from behind. 106 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: I thought it was a really interesting adjustment. But you 107 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: can only do that when you have a linebacker like McKinney. 108 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: You can go play on the outside. Then I think 109 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 1: about that twenty sixteen playoff game against the Patriots and 110 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: all the different looks that they showed Tom Brady that night, 111 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: and a number of them were moving, pushing up to 112 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, or moving McKinney up to the line 113 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: of scrimmage, and then rushing from that edge, dropping from 114 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: that edge, playing McKinney in the middle, putting McKinney's hand 115 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: on the ground. There's so many different things that you 116 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 1: can do with bernardric and there in lies. I think 117 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: the difference between him and some of the other linebackers 118 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: in this league, Bobby Wagner, they'll do that. Bobby Wagner 119 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: is a heck of a player, and I love Bobby Wagner. 120 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: I think he's one of the top inside linebackers. He 121 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: and Luke Keeckley I think set the mark at inside linebacker, 122 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: but Bobby Wagner doesn't do that. Bobby Wagner is not 123 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: playing the outside in that defense. He's not playing out 124 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: any edge in that defense. He doesn't even blitz that 125 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: much in that defense. He's playing traditional inside linebacker and 126 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: dropping in coverage. Now, like I said, Bobby Wagner a 127 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: heck of a football player and done a really nice 128 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: job for Seattle and deserves everything he gets, all Pro status, everything. 129 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: Bernardrick plays every position on this defense in the front step. 130 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: We've seen him play every position in his defense in 131 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: the front seven. I don't know how you play particular 132 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: value on that, and I don't know how you can 133 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: then compare, well, these are Cullin backers make this, and 134 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: these are Southern makers. It's a really tough comparison to 135 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: make right. The negotiation process must be really interesting. And 136 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: as you bring up Clowney, that's got to be interesting too. 137 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: For Brian Gaine, like absolutely ah, he's a defensive end, 138 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: he's an outside linebacker. And his agent, you know, you're 139 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: you want to sing his praises, but when you're negotiating, 140 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: sometimes you have to remind people of some other things, 141 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: and I get I don't know how all that goes 142 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: between the two parties, but it's got to be very intriguing, 143 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: to say the least. But you gotta be excited about 144 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: a couple of things here. McKinney and his versatility. We 145 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: seed it. You know, the year before last we had 146 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: five sacks. Last year, what three? But last year with 147 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: nine and three years. It's a weird deal because last 148 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: year I think he was hurt. I think he was 149 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: one of these guys who was gutting it out and 150 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: almost to his detriment. As far as what people think 151 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: of him, what outsiders think of him, we know he 152 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: was playing all banged up and giving it a go 153 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,239 Speaker 1: and giving it the big college try, the big pro try, 154 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: because he k what the situation was on defense. You know, 155 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: you'd hope to be better on defense with a McKinney 156 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: and a Clowney available to you. But let's face it, 157 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: they were just decimated in so many other instances and 158 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: cushing out for the majority of the year and everybody 159 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: else getting hurt. Dylan Cole a guy who they're gonna 160 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: hopefully I don't want to say rely on, but be 161 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: able to utilize it awful lot this year he was 162 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: out for such a large part of the season. Anyway, 163 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: all that aside, I'm excited about a healthy McKinney. I'm 164 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: also excited about what you said about Romeo Cornell because 165 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: when you think about what Coronell brings to the table 166 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: as a coordinator, and yes, he was around last year, 167 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: but it's not like he could go Rabel didn't report 168 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: to him. And if you're Romeo last year, and I'm 169 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: just hypothesizing here, and you might have an idea that 170 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: you think really worse, you can suggest it. Maybe they 171 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: don't use it. I don't know. I mean, I don't 172 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: know how all that goes. But I assume that you know, 173 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien has ultimate trust and whatever Romeo Cornell wants 174 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: to do. I love the fact that he's back at 175 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: the helm of the defense, and you know, you're not 176 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: dealing with the first year coordinate or not that Rabel's 177 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: bad at it or anything. Obviously he didn't have the 178 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: tools to work with that Coronell did the year before. 179 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: Cornell didn't have want the year before. But you have 180 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: Coronell back everybody healthy, let's go. I mean this is 181 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 1: this is something to get really excited about. I brought 182 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: it up on a recent show. As good as you 183 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: might think, this offense could be, the defense could probably 184 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: be better than the offense. Yeah, And I don't know 185 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: how you weigh that out rankings or whatever. They could 186 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: be really awesome to No. I know exactly what you're saying, 187 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: and I agree with you with the rack. I think 188 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: I think sometimes, and I've said this about coaching for 189 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: a long time, if you think about NFL coaches, they 190 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: had all they've ever known is coaching, Like that's all 191 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: they've ever done. Now, they may have coached positions and 192 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: then they move the coordinator than their head coach and 193 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: then maybe back the coordinator or whatever the case might be, 194 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: but they know they know coaching, and so there isn't 195 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: a whole lot of perspective change that they can have 196 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: because that's it. They know coaching. But within coaching they 197 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: can have a perspective change. And that's when Romeo got 198 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: last year, and I can imagine it. He was probably 199 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: different to be in that role, and I'm sure he 200 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: appreciated it because he actually got to spend some time 201 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: with the offensive guys. He got to talk with some 202 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: of the young guys, and I think that experience was 203 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: probably invaluable for those young guys on the offensive side 204 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 1: of the ball. When you're defensive coordinator, you're mired in it. 205 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: It's like, okay, what's the front? Well should he be 206 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 1: in a three? Or should he be in a five? 207 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: Or okay, well what if we do with the linebackers here? 208 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: You're so down into deep, so down deep into details 209 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: that sometimes you don't step back out and have a 210 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: thirty thousand foot look at it and go no, no, no no, no, 211 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: no no, I don't like the looks of that. So 212 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: I think what that maybe did for Romeo last year 213 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: was he had the opportunity to look at it from 214 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: that perspective. And I think he did because I think 215 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: he was up in a box for a little bit, 216 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: so he could see it from that perspective too, literally 217 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: and figuratively. He could see it from a different perspective, 218 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: and then he could think about it from a different 219 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: perspective because he was not asked to call every single play, 220 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: and so I'm sure he probably as the game was 221 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: going on, like what would he call? What would he change? 222 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: How would he attack this seeing something different from Team Ax? Okay, 223 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: how are we gonna attack that? What would I do well? 224 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: Now he's in that role again, Yes he's gonna be 225 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 1: mired into details, but hopefully that ability to step out 226 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 1: and have a different perspective on things will help him 227 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: going forward. And I'm excited to see what his defense 228 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: can do in part because of that. But there are 229 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: so many multi there's so many versatile parts. I can 230 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 1: just do so many different things. And I went back 231 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 1: and I looked at for an article I wrote for 232 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: the website, I looked at all the different things I'd 233 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: written about Bernardric over the years, because I did a 234 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: Prospect of the Day when he was come to Mississippi State. 235 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: I wrote about him after rookie minicamp. I wrote a 236 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: football one on one on him, I think his second year. 237 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: I wrote one last year, and it's a lot of 238 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: those same things. They've really come to fruition. I went 239 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: back and looked at his draft, my Prospect of the Day, 240 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: and I just said, his size, his versatility, those things 241 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: stand out. His pop. I mean when he hits you 242 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: on the field like you feel it like I can't 243 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: because I'm listening to you and Andre, I can't hear it, 244 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: you can feel it, like you know, he just put 245 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: the pads on somebody. So he's he's really lived out 246 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: exactly what we thought he would be as the prospect 247 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: coming out of Mississippi State. He's lived up to that. 248 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: I heard Seth, Mike and Paul and I can't remember 249 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: if you were on at that time or they were 250 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: talking about it later, but they were talking about, well, 251 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, man, you get money tea inside linebacker, 252 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: what does that? Cutting him really becomes the guy we 253 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: think he can and that Kevin Johnson, and then how 254 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 1: are you gonna pay all this? About all that? That's 255 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: a great problem to have, Yeah, that's a great problem 256 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: to have. Luxury problem. Yeah. I mean you want all 257 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: your drafted players, all your home guys to need contracts. Yeah, 258 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: and you want to have to make those tough decisions 259 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: like you did kind of with Ben Jones and Brandon Brooks, 260 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: those guys you drafted him, right, they were free agents. 261 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: You didn't resign them. But you know, you're in a 262 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: kind of bidding war if you will, and you have 263 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: a value. The other teams have a value, you know, 264 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: good for them to go and to have contracts. You 265 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: do get credit for actually harvesting them out of college. Yeah, 266 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing about it is, it's a 267 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: it's a great problem to have too many guys, too 268 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: many guys to pay. And look, you would you would 269 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: love to be able to keep things together, but financially, 270 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: Chris Olsen in this organization, financially, I think, have done 271 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: a tremendous job in providing contracts that have had players 272 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: happy but also been not financially flexible for the team. 273 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,839 Speaker 1: But they've been acceptable for the team too. They have 274 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: not pigeonholed themselves into giving somebody fifty sixty million dollars 275 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: guaranteed and oh man, it's a mess. Do you remember 276 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins signing an extension last year? I know a 277 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: lot of people don't. I don't remember JJ Wats signing 278 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: and sent you a few years ago. I know a 279 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: lot of people don't. You know why, because those guys 280 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 1: were given contracts that were commissary with their value and 281 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: then they played above that value. So, I mean, the 282 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: Texans have been I don't say lucky, but they've they've 283 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: hit home runs, and the guys they've given second contracts 284 00:13:58,160 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: me for the most point. They've had the issues too. 285 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, people are, well, what about a 286 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: mon crane. Okay, that was two thousand and eight. Yeah, 287 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: I was ten years ago, but I get what you're saying. 288 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: It was. Actually it was actually two thousand and seven, 289 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken. Ye Brock. Even the Shop deal 290 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: was a pretty friendly deal, and that went about as 291 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 1: bad as you could possibly go, you know, for a 292 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: for a contract that you know, a player that was 293 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: performing at a certain level and then the performance dipped 294 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: so dramatically so suddenly, I mean, it wasn't like this 295 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: gradual Joe Flacco like drop off. It was right off 296 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: a cliff. But okay, so to that end, so Matt's 297 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: on that contract going into win. I think it was twelve. 298 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: It was going right because it was after he was 299 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: injured and left. It was like right, it was like 300 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: right at the beginning of twelve. So you really only 301 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: got one year out of it, right, only you got 302 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: one year out of it and then it goes off 303 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: the cliff in thirteen. But you traded him right with 304 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: Rock what happened? It was one year they traded him. 305 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: You weren't stuck with that thing forever. Yes, you didn't 306 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: have a second round pick this year. Right, Well, you 307 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: can make the case that the half room they had, 308 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: you know, they could have cut him and just eating 309 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: it at the time. I think they would have taken 310 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: more heat doing that maybe, but they also wanted the flexibility. 311 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: I look, they haven't said this publicly, and I don't 312 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: even know if this is true, but I look back, 313 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: you know, revisionist history. You know, Romo is possibility out there. 314 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that was going to happen here 315 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: or not, but at least they had the room to 316 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: do it. If it was going to happen. I'm glad 317 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: it worked out the way they did have it work 318 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: out because they have Deshaun Watson in the fold. All right, 319 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: speaking of certain former players, Now, what does this preseason 320 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: excitement remind me of historically for this team? Is it 321 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: accurate or not? Johnny will evaluate and we'll if Sage 322 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: rosen Fells on tonight speaking of former players, also allowed 323 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: him to the mix because I've got him on a podcast. 324 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to play a clip from that lengthy clip 325 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: in the third segment, and it's always interesting to hear 326 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: what the former Texans quarterback has to say. It's Texans Radio. 327 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: Here we are weekend time. If you're working, we'll keep 328 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: your company. You can listen to our podcasts all weekend long. 329 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: In the lab deep Slant. You've got Vandermeer's view up there. 330 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: I've got a recent one with Sage Rosenfels. Will hear 331 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: from him a little snippet from that in the next segment. 332 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: And John Harris and I did Stories from the Booth podcast. Yeah. Yeah, 333 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: it's fun stuff to tell stories of what goes on 334 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: in a broadcast booth. And we've got to do a 335 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: series on that because we just have way too much stuff. 336 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: And speaking of way too much stuff, a lot of 337 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: things to talk about. We're in that six week break 338 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: between mini camp and training camp, so let's go. I 339 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: brought this up Johnny, the excitement level. What does it 340 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: remind me of this season? Every season's unique, Like Bill 341 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: O'Brien says, every year is different, Every years different exactly 342 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: it is. So a lot of people ask me, is 343 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: this the most excited I've been? I'm thinking I'm super 344 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: I'm always excited. You know, I was excited last year. 345 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: I was excited the year but I'm always excited, all right, 346 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: So I'm super excited now. I think in some ways 347 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: it's I don't want to say the most apprehensive. But 348 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: when you go through the injury situation the team did 349 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: last year with seventy eight players on the fifty three 350 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: man roster or rolling through it, you get a little 351 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 1: shell shocked. So I'm just praying that everybody stays healthy, 352 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: you know, or enough people stay healthy, particularly one player, 353 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: because I think that he's the most important one, and 354 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: I think I have a lot of agreement and that. 355 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: You know, when you go through what you went through 356 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: last year, you start to feel like, can people just 357 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: please stay on the field, please play some professional football 358 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: instead of being in the hospital. But I know it's 359 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: not really their fault. It just happens. Yeah, those bad 360 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: luck situations. Well, it's funny you bring that up. I 361 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: was driving in this morning, and for some reason, I 362 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 1: don't know why, I thought about the very first defensive 363 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 1: down against New England Patriots in twenty eighteen. What eleven 364 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 1: guys will be going out there and they're looking out 365 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: there and going, oh, there's what and there's clowney, there's merciless, 366 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: Oh there's b Mackie and just seeing all those all 367 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: those few and seeing all in my mind and going, 368 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 1: that's gonna be a pretty cool feeling to see everybody 369 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: seemingly at one hundred percent getting ready to rolls and 370 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: it just it got me really excited too. And I 371 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 1: can imagine Mark, in the early years of the franchise 372 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: that you were excited, but your expectation level was was 373 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 1: maybe tempered a little bit, a little bit, all right, 374 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 1: a little bit, but even early on all right, say 375 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 1: year three, right, two thousand and four, they opened up 376 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 1: against San Diego. Here you drew Breeze, you're thinking, asked 377 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: through Breeze. They just drafted Philip Rivers. This should be 378 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: a oh no, san Diego beat them. And they actually 379 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: opened up what oh in two So they beat Kansas 380 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: City week three on the road, you know, stuff like that. 381 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 1: Two thousand and five, this the team just went seven 382 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 1: and nine. They could have gone eight and eight. They 383 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: lost to the Browns in the last week of the 384 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: regular season their only season there were no postseasons back then. 385 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: And they opened up against Buffalo on the road. It's 386 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: the anniversary of September eleventh. They losed, and they go 387 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:07,719 Speaker 1: two and fourteen. Right, So you know you had some 388 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: years where the expectations were relatively high. Now clearly the 389 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 1: highest expectations two and twelve. Going into that year, shob 390 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: is back. You've got a defense that just finished second 391 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 1: in the league. He got healthy Brian Cushing, he was 392 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: healthy the entire previous year and he played great. Should 393 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: have got in the Pro Bowl in twenty eleven, had 394 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: an outstanding campaign. What did what Whatt did in the postseason? 395 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: Here it's two thousand and twelve. Let's roll. They opened 396 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: up eleven and one. I mean that was huge, and 397 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: that was a potential Super Bowl team. But they melted 398 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: down at the end, losing three of their last four 399 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: and won a playoff game against the Bengals, but got 400 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: beaten by New England. Up there. We all remember what 401 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: happened in the regular season as well. My point is 402 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: this a lot of excitement going into that year, a 403 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: lot of excitement even the next year. Now, the next 404 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,479 Speaker 1: year was a little different, twenty thirteen because of what 405 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: happened down the stretch in two twelve, and I remember 406 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: they didn't do a ton to him, proved the team, 407 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: it seemed they did some things. Okay, they got for 408 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: one player got DeAndre Hopkins, which was huge. Well, there 409 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: was one other player that when you bring him up, 410 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: he's polarizing against Ed Reid, But at the time there 411 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: looks pretty good, like if he is, he gonna play. 412 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: But you know Ed Reid didn't participate in offseason stuff, 413 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: and then in training camp it's like a little bit 414 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: here and there, and then all of a sudden he's 415 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 1: just not playing right and they open up two and oh. 416 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: That year they go two and fourteen. But like we 417 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 1: talked about in the previous segment, you didn't expect your 418 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: quarterback to have the kind of drop off, the dramatic off, 419 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: the cliff drop off in performance. Had it been a 420 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: little more subtle, you would have been able. You wouldn't 421 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: have gone twelve and four, but you should have would 422 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: have could have won a whole lot more games than 423 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: you did, clearly, and they did it, and things have 424 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: really never been the same the twenty twelve season. Absolutely 425 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: wholeheartedly agree with you. Coming off the year twenty eleven. 426 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: I remember when that Ravens came, that Ravens game ended. 427 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 1: I was mad because there were some avoidable things. In fact, 428 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: I did my own night show. I did my overnight show, 429 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: my very first segment, and I lost it because Jacoby 430 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: Jones decided to headbut the football, which gave the ball 431 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: back to the Ravens and gave them a kind of 432 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: kind of got the Ravens on track. It's funny that game, 433 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: that game that got the Ravens on track. Even though 434 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: the Texans went down, I believe went right down to 435 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 1: score a touchdown. The opening drive sounded like the Monday 436 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: Night game. It's like that turnover kind of woke him up, 437 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 1: and that Monday Night game. It was the fake punt 438 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 1: this past year that woke them up and that kind 439 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: of got them going. But I remember being mad about 440 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: that and mad about God Jakobe. I couldn't believe he 441 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: had done that because that was just a gift, and 442 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: I just remember going off about that. But the flip 443 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: side of that was, man, everybody's coming back and shop 444 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: is back. This twenty twelve Texas team is going to 445 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: be a monster. And then you know, as it does, 446 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: it's just the end of the season. Just ran in, 447 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 1: he ran into the monster of New England up and 448 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 1: New on Monday Night and then and so I think 449 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen was tempered with that. Yeah. Man, they got 450 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: a lot of these pieces back. But pool Boy, well, 451 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: you know, and he hangover from twenty twelve, And I 452 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: don't know if there was I had no idea. I 453 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: always I always thought, and I think it's probably been 454 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: backed up along the way. I always felt like twenty thirteen, 455 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: Matt never looked right at the beginning of the year, 456 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: Like physically, he didn't look right like his he just didn't. 457 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: His ball just seemed to lose some steam, even though 458 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: they won the San Diego game. Yea, And they won 459 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: the Tennessee game in overtime, and San Diego was a 460 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: nice comeback win. Yeah. Well, they began it with that 461 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: tipped twelve. It wasn't pick six. It was a tipped 462 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: pick and they fell behind and Cushing had the pick 463 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: six himself to help them get in front. And Shop 464 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: made some good throws at the end of that game 465 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: to set them up for Randy Bullocks game winning field goal. 466 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: Remember that. Yeah, but you're right, you know what. It's 467 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: funny because that year, late in twenty thirteen, they reran 468 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: the thanks Giving Day game that the Texans played at Detroit, 469 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: which was all they reran that game from the year before, 470 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: and I was watching that and that was part of 471 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: what I called the double digit deficit run. And late 472 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: in two twelve, they were down double figures against Jacksonville, 473 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: came back to winning and overtime deep down double figures 474 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 1: against Detroit, came back to winning and overtime deep then 475 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: they were down. They beat the Titans handily, I think, 476 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: but they were down against New England double figures, didn't 477 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: come back to win that one, down against Minnesota, double figures, 478 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: down against the Colts, double figures, down against a lot 479 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: of teams double figures, and able to win some of those, 480 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: but really they were in trouble. And you down double 481 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: figures against the Chargers opening week twenty thirteen, came back 482 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: to win it. But they were down down double figures 483 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: against the Titans, and in two they came back to 484 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: winning and overtime. You know, so they were down a lot. 485 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 1: They were coming back to win some of those games, 486 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: but they were down a lot, and I realized, we've 487 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: been down a lot. What's going on here? Something's not 488 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: right with this team when you look and I brought 489 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: up the Thanksgiving Day game and the replay, because you 490 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,959 Speaker 1: look at some of shops throws, you can tell the 491 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: arm has lost a little something. Now he's still getting 492 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: the ball there, He's still put up phenomenal numbers that year, 493 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: But late that year some of the throwers started to 494 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: look a little shakier. And I've always said this about him, 495 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 1: and Matt was a terrific quarterback here for a long time. 496 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,719 Speaker 1: But when you don't have a rocket arm and then 497 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 1: you lose a little mph off that, then it's the 498 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: NFL man. And if they think they know what's coming, 499 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: they can jump some stuff, and bad things start to happen, 500 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 1: and probably in his mind as well, and you're you're 501 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: already making adjustments to what you think your arm strength 502 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 1: is and then all of a sudden that takes a hit, 503 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: and then are you trying to make more adjustments off 504 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 1: of that, and and that gets that gets tricky. I 505 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: think the difference that I feel and in that I 506 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: feel about this season and this this makes it I think, 507 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: I think unique in that the Shawn makes it unique 508 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: because a lot a lot of the players we've been 509 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: excited about in the past. I remember, you know, JJ 510 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: coming off the twenty twelve year, right, like, gracious, what 511 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: can this guy do? In his third year and he 512 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 1: didn't had a great twenty thirteen, but didn't have the 513 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: twenty sacks, and so everybody thought. But it was it 514 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: was as great a year as any defensive player could 515 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: have possibly had a twenty thirteen team went two and fourteen. 516 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 1: But I think because of DeShawn and because I think 517 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: people look at this and say, it's not only in 518 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 1: the short term of this team could be very, very good, 519 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: but they could be good over the long stretch. Other 520 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: than Ben Maller, who thinks they need to get a text, 521 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: they need to get a quarterback post haste, but with Deshaun, 522 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: I think people see the short term could be very good, 523 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 1: but the long term they could play this thing out. 524 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if and I don't know how people felt, 525 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 1: but I felt like, after twenty eleven, shops coming back 526 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 1: in twenty twelve, they can keep this thing going for 527 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: a while. Yeah, it got a lot. You know, Kareem 528 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: is young. I mean, they were bringing guys in. It 529 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: just it felt like a young team, you know, Arian 530 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: can keep this thing going for a few more years. Barwin, Yeah, 531 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: it just felt like it was a team that had 532 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: that had that longevity seemingly could have some longevity, which 533 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: is not something you have in the end. Fell. I mean, 534 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: look at the Seahawks. The Seahawks really got that thing 535 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: started in twenty twelve, and they started blowing that thing 536 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 1: up after twenty seventeen. Yeah, I felt like this team 537 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 1: and then when Matt went off the cliff and it's like, 538 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: oh man, how do we coaching change? Matt coaching change 539 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: comes massive roster change no matter what. And the roster 540 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 1: did need some flipping and updating. I mean, no matter 541 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: what would happen. Yeah, no doubt, and you did have 542 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: I mentioned Barwin, but he was already at the end 543 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: of a contract and they were trying to negotiate with 544 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: him and that didn't work out. He went to Philadelphia. 545 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: So to me, this reminds me a little in a 546 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 1: very different way. But like, if I have to compare 547 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 1: what this reminds me of, it's almost more like twenty 548 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: eleven in that you're coming off a bad year record wise, 549 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: there was six and ten and twenty ten. They put 550 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: up terrific offensive numbers in twenty ten and Arion led 551 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: the league in rushing, and then they added Wade Phillips 552 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: in the offseason, even though it was a lockout year, 553 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: you knew you had Wade Phillips coming in and you know, 554 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 1: defense the league in twenty ten. Yeah, and then you thought, well, 555 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: Wade's gonna do something right. He had no idea what 556 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: what was going to be. I mean, you know, want 557 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: on draft night it was like woo and you know 558 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: you heard his name, he's running prospects, but you had 559 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: no clue how good that was going to be. But 560 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: you felt good about Brian Cushing in year three, and 561 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: you know, Demiko is still around and let's go. And 562 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,959 Speaker 1: so twenty it reminds me a little more of twenty 563 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 1: eleven than it does of twenty twelve, because you know, 564 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: like Watson looked terrific limited action, but it looked terrific. 565 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 1: All right, he's coming back. There are some X factors 566 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: here as far as the variables of health and how 567 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 1: players recover from their injuries and how effective they are 568 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: coming back from those injuries. So it reminds me a 569 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: little bit more of that. But you know, I'm always 570 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: fired up. You know, That's the thing. Even even last year, 571 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 1: if if somebody had said, John, you have to go 572 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 1: through twenty seventeen, all over again, or you can have 573 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: some other job. I'd be like, give me twenty seventeen. 574 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: I mean, being in NFL games, doing what we do, 575 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just really special. It was. And that's 576 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,239 Speaker 1: why I asked you about the expectation, because I know, 577 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: no matter what happens, I'm excited about doing games and 578 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 1: being at the game and going through the season. I'm 579 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: excited about that. This year, I feel like, and I 580 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 1: don't want to put any expect you. I don't want 581 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: to put higher expectations in other years, but I just 582 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: feel like with I get that feeling of, Man, if 583 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: guys stay healthy, if the Sean stays healthy, man, I 584 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,479 Speaker 1: really it's reasonable to think that this team can do 585 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: some things that maybe other teams in Texas history weren't 586 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: able to do. Man, could they get to an AFC 587 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: Championship game and then you got a sixty minute shot 588 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: again into the super Bowl with him at quarterback, and 589 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: then guys are healthy. I'll roll with that. And I 590 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: think that's that's why I asked you about expectations, because 591 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: I would imagine early on you're excited about calling a games, 592 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: you're excited about the NFL, but you probably knew the 593 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: first couple of years like, okay, we're expansion, We're probably 594 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 1: not gonna get to the super Bowl, We're probably not 595 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: gonna get to the playoffs. About two thousand and four, 596 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: I could have you know, I could see that two five, 597 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: I could see you having expectations, and then it fell 598 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: through the roof. The problem was, in those years you 599 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: knew the path was wildcard, right, right, But this year 600 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: the path might be wild card also because as opposed 601 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: to years we're talking about the division now when Peyton 602 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: Manning played ridiculous, right, and Andrew Luck was at his peak. Okay, 603 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: but then the guys you're talking about quarterbacks of the AFC, 604 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: and you've talked about it previous shows, how you know 605 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: the quarterback carousel that you're going through here with this 606 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: schedule doesn't look quite as daunting, just quarterback wise, as 607 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: it could possibly. Yet you have two teams in your division. 608 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: One went to the AFC Championship Game and could have, 609 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: would have, should have played in the Super Bowl. Another 610 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: went and lost to the Super Bowl participant in New 611 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: England Patriots, and they won a playoff game at Arrowhead Stadium. 612 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: Tough plays to win a playoff game, and those teams 613 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: don't have excellent quarterbacks, you know, Mariota whatever, I mean, 614 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: it could be very good who knows and Bortless bortles 615 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: and give him credit for doing what he did. But 616 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: the point is this incremental improvement from those squads is 617 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: trouble is big trouble. Like you might need them to 618 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: take a little, tiny, at least step back, because they 619 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: could be a real They are a real problem. I 620 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: mean where we sit right now on paper, they're a 621 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: real problem. And we didn't consider them a big problem 622 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: even last year, year before, a year before that. So 623 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: now you're dealing with a completely different situation within your 624 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: division and you have to be able to cope with 625 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: it well. I think one of the things about those 626 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: two teams will see how they deal with success. Now Tennessee, 627 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: the year before is ninety seven. They've kind of built 628 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: it a little bit more, but they've got a coaching change. 629 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: We'll see how that organization deals with success. For sure. 630 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: With Jacksonville, we'll definitely see because those guys are living 631 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: high in the hog. They love to talk trash, and 632 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: they lived this season completely and fully healthy. In the 633 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball. I do think those two 634 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,719 Speaker 1: teams could I'm not saying they go back to four 635 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: and twelve. I'm not saying that, but I do you 636 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: think there's a little bit of a step back, a 637 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: little a little bit. But here's the other thing too. 638 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: If you think about in the in the mid two thousands, 639 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: if you got in the AFC in the playoffs, you 640 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: were gonna have to more than likely beat both Brady 641 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: and Manning to be able to get to a super Bowl. Right, 642 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: more than likely have to beat both of them. Now, 643 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: you gotta beat Brady, yeah, and then Derek Carr. You 644 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: still gotta bet Roethlisberger. But Bornos did that last week. 645 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: Somebody might take care of your business for you. That's 646 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: a possibility. That happened with Manning at some point. It happened. 647 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: But you were gonna get Manning or you were gonna 648 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: get Brady or both, and to get through both of 649 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: them to get to the super Bowl was very difficult. 650 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: I still think that stat about AFC quarterbacks in the 651 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: Super Bowl, about Roethlisberger, Brady, Manning, and won by Flack 652 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: about the rest of it. As all those guys since 653 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: the beginning of the two thousands, that is frightening to me. 654 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's cast. I mean, since for Flacco 655 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: to be the outliers, incredible. All right, Johnny, thanks a lot, 656 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: you gotta Mark, thank you. Coming up, Sage Rosenfell's on 657 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: the show, former Texans quarterback all time leader and completion 658 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: percentage by the way in third and touchdowns and yards. 659 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: Let's talk with him next as Texans All Access continues. 660 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: Let's keep it going here on Texans All Access. Mark 661 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: VanderMeer with you from the Hunday Texans Radio studio. Now 662 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: we have a big podcast platform iTunes on Houston Texans 663 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: dot Com itself. Tune in wherever fine podcasts are available. 664 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: As I like to say, in last week's Vandermeer's View, 665 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: we featured Sage Rosenfeld's long conversation with Sage. But here's 666 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,239 Speaker 1: a part of it, and I'll begin this part by 667 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: asking him what it's like to be a backup quarterback. 668 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: The mindset you gotta be ready to go into the 669 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: game at any particular moment. He's had some big games 670 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: for this team. Third all time in yards and touchdowns, 671 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: first in completion percentage all time for the Houston Texans franchise. 672 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: Here's sage on being a backup and being ready to 673 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: go whenever your number is called. Well, I think it 674 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: all depends on you're sort of you're you're watching the 675 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: game and you're seeing the ev and flow of the game. 676 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: You're seeing the pass rush. Obviously you're in tune of 677 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: what the other team is doing. You totally know the 678 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: game plan, but you know, you don't know what type 679 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: of sort of disaster you're stepping into a Are are 680 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: you up by two touchdowns? You know you got to 681 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: play a certain way. If you're up by two touchdowns? 682 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: Is a type ball game still in the first quarter? 683 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: Is a type ball game going into to the fourth quarter? 684 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 1: Are you behind by three touchdowns? You know? As the 685 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: way you stepped into the football game, you have to 686 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: figure out what's the what's the best way for us 687 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: to win this football game? And what should share my 688 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: style of football should be. And there were a few 689 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: times where I came in. One was with the Dolphins, 690 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: and a couple of times at the Texans. I feel 691 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: like when we were down by three, four scores, and 692 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: and you know, Kubiak would call aggressive plays and and 693 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: in Miami was Scott Linahan and Jason Garrett, you know, 694 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: being aggressive and sort of letting it all out and 695 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,959 Speaker 1: have the ability to preparation to execute two minute offense. 696 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: Hurry up offense. Uh you know some style pass players 697 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: you go back and just get completions. Um. And uh yeah, 698 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: I've had a couple of experiences there with with with 699 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: the Texans that were very memorable and uh, you know 700 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,439 Speaker 1: I just said, and then a couple of those games 701 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: where we're behind by three or four scores and at 702 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 1: that point you got to be aggressive. You gotta try 703 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: to fit balls in places and and sort of just 704 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: let it go and just throw a pick. You throw 705 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 1: a pick, but you just sort of get that getting 706 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 1: You're trying to get the energy going with your players 707 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: and and sort of get that momentum switched around and 708 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: get that first score first and then just try to 709 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: snowball from there. So you know, sometimes that if you 710 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 1: score once or twice, that defense starts to stiffen up 711 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: a little bit and and the other teams starts to 712 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: play more conservative and you're getting more opportunities and next 713 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: thing you know, you're right back in the football game. 714 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 1: So yeah, happened a couple of times in my career 715 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: and some very memorable memorable games, including those couple of 716 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: games against the tendency type sage. You played a bunch 717 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: for the Texans with the Vikings, Giants, Dolphins late in 718 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: your career. Didn't throw any passes in those games. But 719 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 1: what is it like when you're not playing and you 720 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 1: have to prepare as if you might and you go 721 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,800 Speaker 1: through all of that as an NFL athlete? How about 722 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: that process? Yeah, well, it's really interesting. You know. I 723 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 1: left the Texans because I really wanted to start, and 724 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,720 Speaker 1: I worked at Trade with Rich Yes and Jerry Kubiak. 725 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 1: We'd talked about it for basing the entire year, and 726 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: I really wanted to start. And Matt shop as a starter. 727 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,760 Speaker 1: He was making starter money and I was making backup money, 728 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: and and they helped me get to the Minnesota Vikings, 729 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 1: and during training camp, uh, Brett Farve you know, came 730 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,359 Speaker 1: back and really never had that chance. Obviously, next year 731 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: I get shipped to the Giants and Eli Maine just 732 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: started there. We all know Eli never gets hurt. So 733 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,959 Speaker 1: I didn't play much there either, And you know, about 734 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,359 Speaker 1: two years later I was in the league, So uh, 735 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: it was it was interesting to go up and play 736 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: for those different organizations. It's you know, it's interesting. I 737 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 1: get to compare uh. You know that the Dolphins and 738 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 1: Washington and obviously the Texans and the Giants, UH and 739 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,840 Speaker 1: the Vikings. I get to compare them all, and you know, 740 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: community relations people and and people now who I still 741 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,359 Speaker 1: talk to and all the organizations. So I'm still close 742 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: with a lot of people. With the Vikings. A lot 743 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 1: of those people are Rich Spieling, George Peyton. You know, 744 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,320 Speaker 1: those guys were off and down to Miami when I 745 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: was there for most of the time. So I go 746 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: a long ways back with a lot of those people 747 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 1: and some of those coaches you know, currently on that 748 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 1: coaching staff in Minnesota. UH. Still have a lot of 749 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: great friends from my one year with the Giants, you know, 750 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: living in Hoboken, New Jersey and playing for a ten 751 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,839 Speaker 1: and six Giants team, some some great games, and next 752 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,919 Speaker 1: year they won the Super Bowl. UH, and then back 753 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: in Minnesota to finish off of my career after that. 754 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: So it was it was a crazy ride and and UH, 755 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 1: I'm happy it's all done. I do miss playing. I'm 756 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 1: just the guys. Missed the locker room, miss the cafeteria 757 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 1: where guys are talking about current events and or other 758 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: players around the league or whatever, and and you know 759 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 1: miss those but uh yeah, it's it's nice to not 760 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: have to try to bench press as much as possible 761 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: and put on as much uh you know, wait to 762 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,840 Speaker 1: squad as much as possible and run up hills and 763 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: and run in the heat and put on those pads 764 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: when ninety five degrees in Houston and that do is 765 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 1: thick in the morning before you even get your car 766 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: out of the out of the drive age. We talked 767 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,840 Speaker 1: about that four fourth quarter touchdown pass performance against the 768 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans. Now take me to the next year. I 769 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: know we've talked about this before. I know it's a 770 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,360 Speaker 1: painful memory, but I think that it's got to be 771 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 1: something you learned a lot from when we talk about 772 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: the comeback that the Colts had against the Texans and 773 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 1: you had the late lead and you had the fumble 774 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 1: returned by Gary Brackett for the touchdown, and I imagine 775 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 1: you still think about that one a lot, because all 776 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: athletes think about I was watching Catholics versus Convicts, and 777 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 1: all those guys have won multiple championships, but they're still 778 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,400 Speaker 1: bitter about losing that game University of Miami. But I 779 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 1: got to imagine, despite the great career, that that one 780 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: still haunts you a little bit. Yeah, I don't think 781 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,919 Speaker 1: it haunts me. You know, I had a mentality going 782 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 1: back a small town kid and went to Iowa, stayed 783 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 1: and we were sort of losing school. We found a 784 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: way to get it over the top. And I came 785 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 1: to the NFL and just you know, worked and worked 786 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 1: and worked and just tried to make the team and 787 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 1: try to be as good as possible. I was in 788 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 1: a sort of go forward attitude at all times, go 789 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 1: for and prove myself at all times. I mean, you know, 790 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,360 Speaker 1: spring games or or or or just spring practices or 791 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: or training camp in college, I mean diving for first down, uh, 792 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,359 Speaker 1: you know, taking hits um and started trying to prove 793 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 1: always try to prove myself. That was always been my mentality, 794 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 1: and I think that's probably what helped me in some 795 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: of those combat games or I was good to be 796 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,400 Speaker 1: aggressive and going for it. Uh. And I wasn't you know, 797 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 1: in those a lot of situations where it was time 798 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 1: to be really alter a conservative. So if it was 799 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 1: ever sort of a fifty fifty you know type of situation. 800 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: My natural instinct was always go for it. Uh, and 801 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 1: never you know, play tentatives, and um, that's what happened 802 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 1: on that play, and it didn't work out. So you know, 803 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,399 Speaker 1: it's the way I played my career far through too 804 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 1: many interceptions, but through a lot of touchdowns, had some 805 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 1: great games. And I had threw too many interceptions and 806 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: and and had a few good games. And you also 807 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 1: paid my fair share of mistakes in the league. And 808 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,319 Speaker 1: I would say that was one of them. And uh, 809 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. If I said, I don't know if 810 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 1: I regret it, I would say I wish I was 811 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 1: done something different, But a lot of things happened in 812 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,840 Speaker 1: the NFL, and you can't go back. And you know, 813 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,799 Speaker 1: rehash turned to me perfect about everything. You know, things 814 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 1: worked out pretty well for me. I got three healthy 815 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,240 Speaker 1: kids and life is pretty good. No, Monto Braska, absolutely, Sage. 816 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 1: I know you observed so much about this game, So 817 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,799 Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on DeShawn Watson, what you've seen 818 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,280 Speaker 1: so far and what you think might happen in the future. Well, 819 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 1: I loved him coming out. He was really When I 820 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,400 Speaker 1: remember doing a story and I broke down about the 821 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 1: top five or six quarterbacks coming out last last year, 822 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 1: and this is before the draft, and what teams they 823 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 1: should go to. Deshaun Watson. I thought the time should 824 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 1: go to the Houston Texans because he's a guy that 825 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 1: would I think assimilate really well to the NFL game. 826 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 1: He played in such big time college football and in 827 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 1: so many big games that he would sort of be thought, 828 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 1: I thought, sort of a pro coming right into this 829 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 1: thing and play for a really good football team, a 830 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: really good defensive football team, and that you know, he 831 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 1: could go in there and execute. He could go in 832 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 1: there and be smart. I mean, you gotta when you 833 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,759 Speaker 1: play in those big games, you gotta be a smart 834 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 1: quarterback deal with situations and all those types of things. 835 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,000 Speaker 1: And so I really thought that he and I love 836 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 1: this natural ability. I love the way he throws a football. 837 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 1: He's a natural thrower. He's got much stronger on than 838 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 1: people realize and him obviously he's a smart professional kids. 839 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 1: So I think he checked a lot about My biggest concern, 840 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,720 Speaker 1: you no, what is he gonna get hurt? That's always 841 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 1: my concern with guys who just can run. Rain's not negative, 842 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,360 Speaker 1: but getting hurt is so you know, him, Mariota, all 843 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,520 Speaker 1: those types of guys. I do get concerned about the 844 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 1: injuries and so, but as far as man a guy 845 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,799 Speaker 1: who can play the football game, the natural ability, the 846 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 1: instincts that he has, his ability to buy time moves 847 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 1: into pocket. He's one of the better guys in the 848 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 1: league already about working inside and outside the pocket. He's 849 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,720 Speaker 1: got their arm strength and make things happen down the field. 850 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 1: That's sort of the new thing. Now you watch Aaron 851 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 1: Rodgers do it, you watch him starting to watch some 852 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,959 Speaker 1: other guys do it. Russell Wilson is to go back 853 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: and just sort of buy time because guys come open, 854 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,960 Speaker 1: in particular during in zone defense. These guys do come 855 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 1: open if you can buy time. And he did a 856 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,279 Speaker 1: great job of that last year. Uh, you know, if 857 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,919 Speaker 1: there wasn't always fall out quick and you know, stick 858 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,200 Speaker 1: round and slants and things like that. He was making 859 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,279 Speaker 1: some big time throws down the field a lot. That 860 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,359 Speaker 1: is because he was buying a little bit of time 861 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,880 Speaker 1: here and there in that pocket and then making big plays. 862 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,360 Speaker 1: And so he's fun to watch, and I'm glad Houston's 863 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,920 Speaker 1: got a dynamic quarterback that makes more fun to watch. 864 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 1: Stage what are you doing these days. Share that with 865 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,919 Speaker 1: the listeners, so I know you're doing some writing. Yeah, 866 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 1: I write for the Athletic Minnesota so I cover the 867 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,800 Speaker 1: Vikings mostly. I will cover I thinks the MFL. I 868 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,800 Speaker 1: occasionally do I do. I locked on the Vikings podcast 869 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 1: to a podcast couple of days a week. It's been 870 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,760 Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Shoot, I'm currently doing a football 871 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 1: camp thing with the Shanahans and Sean McVay called the 872 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 1: Quarterback Collective. We're basically getting all the best quarterbacks in 873 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:53,680 Speaker 1: the country. You want to teach him be pros. You 874 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,800 Speaker 1: want to teach him you know the Shanahan McVay offense. 875 00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 1: You know where I said, I just a good quarterback 876 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,839 Speaker 1: can really understand the game and become a really good player, Kyle. 877 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:04,600 Speaker 1: These high school kids, a lot of the investments in 878 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,160 Speaker 1: the country, they're never under center. A lot of these 879 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,240 Speaker 1: palace guys never under center. You go to the NFL, 880 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,080 Speaker 1: you better understand play action, you better understand the bootleg game. 881 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 1: While these kids have never done that. Takes him while 882 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:16,600 Speaker 1: to assimilate to that. So we want to give it 883 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 1: to them in high school. So that's a new thing 884 00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: we're doing here called the Quarterback Collective. I'm working on 885 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,720 Speaker 1: two different Haiti projects, just through a big backyard party 886 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,279 Speaker 1: to rate about fourteen thousand dollars for my friends nonprofit 887 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,880 Speaker 1: called FIDA. It's an FIDA, the Foundation for International Development 888 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,400 Speaker 1: Assistance that in the teaching them, he teach them to 889 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,239 Speaker 1: set up a co op and read and write and 890 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,759 Speaker 1: h and farm sustainably U and it's such as an 891 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,919 Speaker 1: amazing nonprofit. So I'm helping him. And I'm also working 892 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,839 Speaker 1: with a big Iowa state booster called the soup Up 893 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:51,640 Speaker 1: Manufacturing family, and they're building Haities. They're onto the building, 894 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,520 Speaker 1: the building the homes, these metal homes that are sort 895 00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:59,360 Speaker 1: of like mini grained in out of that same steel material, 896 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,520 Speaker 1: just like a grain been in Iowa. And they're making 897 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,880 Speaker 1: these things for Haiti. They're making these things for refugees 898 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,200 Speaker 1: all over the world. I'm sure a part of their 899 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,120 Speaker 1: team to try to get the word out and that's 900 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,680 Speaker 1: an extremely exciting project. Lately I've been working on so Yeah, 901 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,719 Speaker 1: besides all that, I'm raising three kids and trying to 902 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,920 Speaker 1: get a little pool time and trying to enjoy myself, 903 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,759 Speaker 1: occasionally get a little work out in, and occasionally get 904 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,000 Speaker 1: to train some local kids around here, which a lot 905 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,920 Speaker 1: of fun, you know, be on the other side of 906 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,560 Speaker 1: that thing, not just being a player, actually being a 907 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,680 Speaker 1: coach and trying to get back and teach these high 908 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,680 Speaker 1: school kids the proper footwork and mechanics and even sometimes 909 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,400 Speaker 1: the exit and os of the game helped them run 910 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,319 Speaker 1: the game even in high school at Sage Rosenfels from 911 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,279 Speaker 1: the Vandermeer's View podcast, I encourage you to take a 912 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,680 Speaker 1: listen to all the podcasts, Deep Slant in the Lab, 913 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,880 Speaker 1: the Texans All Access replays that they're all there on 914 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,279 Speaker 1: Houston Texans dot com under the listen tab and on 915 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,560 Speaker 1: iTunes as well. That's going to do it for the 916 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,279 Speaker 1: show tonight. Thank you Johnny Harris for taking part. Thank 917 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,839 Speaker 1: you all for listening. Have a great weekend. Check out 918 00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,320 Speaker 1: Houston Texans dot com or all your videos and stories 919 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,040 Speaker 1: on the Texans and Texans three sixty on the air 920 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 1: on television tomorrow night on ABC thirteen at eleven pm. 921 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,400 Speaker 1: Have a great evening, Go Texans.