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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: A couple of things that are out there as we

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Speaker 1: roll through this hour that I want to discuss. One

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Speaker 1: impacting so much going forward that I think many parents,

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Speaker 1: grandparents are not aware of The other part here that

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Speaker 1: I think is worth discussing. Polling keeps coming out, Buck,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump has said he's going to make a major

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Speaker 1: announcement tomorrow, but polling keeps coming out showing that Ronda

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Speaker 1: Santis is in the lead in many different states. Now,

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Speaker 1: Ronda Santis has not announced yet that he is running

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Speaker 1: for office. But yesterday we were talking about the press

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Speaker 1: availability he had to impanel a grand jury to investigate

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Speaker 1: the COVID shot, and one of our callers, Buck pointed

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Speaker 1: out that there was potentially a political calculus there as well,

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Speaker 1: because Trump had been a very zealous advocate of the

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Speaker 1: COVID shot and that much of the Republican base is

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Speaker 1: not much of a zealous advocate of the COVID shot

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Speaker 1: at all. And so I was looking poles in North

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Speaker 1: Journal showing that Rohn de Santis has opened up a

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Speaker 1: substantial lead over Donald Trump. Now, and Coulter was on

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Speaker 1: with us last week, Buck, and she upset Tumulter was

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Speaker 1: on last week. Do you remember that one? I don't know,

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Speaker 1: Clay and upset some people with her conversation and her

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Speaker 1: attack on Trump. Now. Yesterday Stephen Miller made the case

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Speaker 1: Trump is still the best advocate, that he's the most prepared,

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Speaker 1: that he's the best and most ready for this job.

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Speaker 1: But it's becoming increasingly clear to me, and I'm curious

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Speaker 1: if you agree with this as well, Buck, that much

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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty three four Republicans, for all of us

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Speaker 1: out there, is going to be about De Santis v. Trump. Now,

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Speaker 1: to be fair, there are other candidates that I think

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Speaker 1: season and everything else, may well have an incredible appeal

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Speaker 1: this De Santis Trump battle, this idea that we got

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Speaker 1: think the Trump camp Buck should be nervous based on

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Speaker 1: and so he isn't sullied as much. And let me

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Speaker 1: give you some data. This is from the Wall Street

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Speaker 1: of figuring out who the GOP nomina should be. We

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Speaker 1: and said that he will be he should be the nominee. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: then there's also who is the opponent, because that matters

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Speaker 1: basic truth of politics. There was some report today. Did

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Speaker 1: Personneli's policy. You know, I just met with a with

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Speaker 1: You understand that the people you hire to work for

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Speaker 1: feel better about a Trump administration. Yeah. If Scaramucci all

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Speaker 1: So I just there's a lot that were so early,

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Speaker 1: and the polls are reflecting that. But I know a

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Speaker 1: lot of Trump supporters that will say that'll change. What

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Speaker 1: did things look like in twenty in twenty fifteen, it'll change.

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Speaker 1: So I'm aware of both sides. So the numbers out

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Speaker 1: And I want to raise this is a question for you.

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Speaker 1: Well know, I have a question for your first Okay,

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Speaker 1: you go ahead. Eighty year old Biden. How much is

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Speaker 1: he hurting seventy six year old Trump. Not because of

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Speaker 1: his policies, which I think helped Trump, but how many

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Speaker 1: They're lost to us. They live in an alternate universe

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Speaker 1: like we can't. But we're talking about the persuadable voter.

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Speaker 1: When when you say Donald Trump is running, it neutralizes

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Speaker 1: the Joe Biden is too old to be president? Argument.

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Speaker 1: It really does. And I know people say, and I

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Speaker 1: made this argument too, Trump has more energy, Trump is multurventry,

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Speaker 1: Sexton show. So you may have just heard Kathy with

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Speaker 1: it's nothing to be almost eighty running. That makes a difference.

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Speaker 1: Everybody who has relatives in that age range or isn't

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Speaker 1: in terms of energy and health is generally pretty substantial,

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Speaker 1: very substantial for a lot of people. That's one component

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Speaker 1: of it. Also, he'd be running for only one term.

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Speaker 1: So some may argue that's an advantage, fine, because you

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Speaker 1: then have a vice president who's on the launch pad.

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Speaker 1: I get that. But you're running for one term, you're

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Speaker 1: not running for two. So some would other some others,

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Speaker 1: I think would argue that that is a downside to it.

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Speaker 1: So I'm talking about the structural challenges that are baked

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Speaker 1: into all this that Trump has to overcome now that

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Speaker 1: he wouldn't have before. I think we can all agree

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Speaker 1: Trump is older, right, that's reality, and he can only

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Speaker 1: have one term. But to what Steven Miller said yesterday,

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Speaker 1: already been president. You know, there are other aspects that

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Speaker 1: balance this out. Ron in Oceanside, California wants to rebut

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Speaker 1: the rebutt what's going on? Ron? Yes, sir, I'm obviously

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Speaker 1: a Trump fan. However, I appreciate what DeSantis has accomplished. However,

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Speaker 1: the profound difference between DeSantis and Trump is what they

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Speaker 1: will accomplish the Santis still has a political career, he

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Speaker 1: will be following the public Republican agenda. And unfortunately it's

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Speaker 1: been a history, especially under miss McConnell, of capitulating too

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Speaker 1: many times to the Democrat. All right, all right, so Ron,

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Speaker 1: Ron will capitulate to the Republican agenda. M Ronda Santists

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Speaker 1: was more and again this is not an argument for

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Speaker 1: Ron over Trump. But I'm just saying, if we're analyzing

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Speaker 1: de Santists specifically the situation with Disney, for example, that

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Speaker 1: with that that that usually that the corporatist GOP, the

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Speaker 1: I mean that's that's ask him. I'm sorry you asking me? Yes? Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: Also the question I would have Ron, Okay, would you

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Speaker 1: support whoever the Republican nominee is, or are you like

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Speaker 1: our earlier caller from Ohio who said she would only

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Speaker 1: vote for Trump and she would sit out the election. Otherwise, no,

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Speaker 1: I would vote for the Santist may finish. Trump is

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Speaker 1: an independent Republican and he ran and i'm a precedent

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Speaker 1: of accomplishments. However, too many Republicans in the party that

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Speaker 1: was still anti Trump. Whereas what I meant to I'm

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Speaker 1: meaning to express as that De Santists still has a

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Speaker 1: that may not be in my opinion as h Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't see I think that's a I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate a first of all, thank you for calling

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Speaker 1: in Ron, and you're you're you're totally entitled to your

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Speaker 1: opinion on that one. I haven't. I haven't seen Ron

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Speaker 1: de Santists falling in line with like the Mitch McConnell gop.

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Speaker 1: I've seen in Florida a guy who kept the state

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Speaker 1: as open as early during COVID as Florida was. There

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Speaker 1: was no other state that was willing to pick a

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Speaker 1: fight with the most powerful corporate interest in the state,

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Speaker 1: which is Disney. So I'm I'm not saying that I'm

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Speaker 1: just gonna that doesn't mean that I'm right and our

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Speaker 1: caller is wrong. It just means you gotta show me

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Speaker 1: the evidence if you're gonna tell me, this is what's

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Speaker 1: gonna happen. I think the best attack on De Santis,

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Speaker 1: if the Trump people are making their case, is that

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Speaker 1: his poll numbers and his data is not as solid

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Speaker 1: because he hasn't been through the same national ringer as Trump.

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Speaker 1: That would be my argument if I were the Trump people. Now,

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Speaker 1: I think De Santis is super smart, and I think

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Speaker 1: he's been challenged on the national stage. But if I'm

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Speaker 1: the Trump people and I'm trying to say, hey, this

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Speaker 1: is why we make more sense than to Santis, it's

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Speaker 1: that he is right now on the bubble of acceptability

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Speaker 1: may ment Romney into an awful, a dog abusing high

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Speaker 1: school bully that gave people cancer and followed them from

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Speaker 1: their jobs binders full of women. I mean, ment Romney

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Speaker 1: is the blandest, most inoffensive. I mean, the best analogy

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Speaker 1: of Mitt Romney I've ever heard is he looks like

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Speaker 1: the guy who is in the picture frame when you

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Speaker 1: buy the picture frame, like the male model who has

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Speaker 1: like nothing that he looks at the most planned character.

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Speaker 1: Imagine he's ned. I've popularized Mitt Romney is super rich

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Speaker 1: ned Flanders, which it also works pretty well. So yes,

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Speaker 1: that is the perfect analogy as well. And they tore

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Speaker 1: him down. So again, I think that's the question. The

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Speaker 1: other one out here is how long does the Santis

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Speaker 1: just get to And I think it's super smart of

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Speaker 1: the Santis to avoid having to announce right until you're

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Speaker 1: an official candidate. I don't think he's going to announce.

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Speaker 1: If he announces until the summer buck, I think he

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Speaker 1: to get on the ballot. We should look this up

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Speaker 1: in Iowa and New Hampshire. But if I'm advising to Santis,

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Speaker 1: I say, do not announce until like a month before

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Speaker 1: the actual primary season. What do you gain, right, Because

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Speaker 1: anyone who's attacking a candidate who's not a candidate is

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Speaker 1: going to inherently look insecure. That's the reality I think

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Speaker 1: that we see playing out already. And and as for

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Speaker 1: will talk about things like debates. We'll say, oh, but

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Speaker 1: you know, the Trump rallies and the enthusiasm. The Trump

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Speaker 1: absolute universal free press and access to those rallies because

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Speaker 1: they thought it was hilarious at CNN, and then they lost.

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Speaker 1: As we know, they're not going to do that again.

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Speaker 1: He's you know, he's maybe going to come back on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: so that will be a part of this as well.

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Speaker 1: But the twenty sixteen strat there will not be a

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Speaker 1: replay of twenty sixteen. It was like Trump was almost

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Speaker 1: a sneak attack against them. They had no idea what

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Speaker 1: was coming for them in twenty sixteen. And debates, as

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Speaker 1: So the the on the debate stage thing, and we

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Speaker 1: Even Democrats were horrified didn't make a difference. Well what

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Speaker 1: about Federman? I mean, it's really making me question debates

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Speaker 1: days with Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Welcome back friends,

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Speaker 1: Clay and Buck here and you know, Clay, there seems

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Speaker 1: to be some possibility here that we will find out

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Speaker 1: more about the attack on Paul Pelosi. You may have

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Speaker 1: noticed this. The attacker, David du Pape, is in court

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Speaker 1: today in California, and it is believed that as part

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Speaker 1: there's no reasonable justification to not have police bodycam footage,

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Speaker 1: a privacy issue bodycam footage to show exactly what happened

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Speaker 1: here in that Paul Pelosi attack, Because unless I have

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Speaker 1: missed something, to this day, there are still two different

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Speaker 1: law enforcement agencies who have a different version of what

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Speaker 1: happened when the police arrived at Paul Pelosi's home, as

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Speaker 1: in did Paul Pelosi opened the door and then walked

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Speaker 1: quietly back toward where de pape was or was there

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Speaker 1: a shattered glass door? And they went in there and

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Speaker 1: the guy was all of a sudden there was the

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Speaker 1: violence was right in front of them, And what do

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Speaker 1: they did the usual? How dare you question anything? Well? Okay,

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Speaker 1: hold on a second, did he or did he not

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Speaker 1: the guy who was in his home at two o'clock

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Speaker 1: in the morning. Well not only that, Buck, if we

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Speaker 1: were going to have a full on, vigorous defense of

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Speaker 1: this individual, wouldn't your defense have to be that this

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Speaker 1: was some sort of lovers quarrel and that that this Pelosi,

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Speaker 1: Paul Pelosi, had been the first aggressor. Now I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying that's going to work, but I'm just saying, if

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Speaker 1: you are a defense attorney. First of all, whether or

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Speaker 1: he turned and walked back to this individual is significant

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Speaker 1: in terms of the factual data and what arguments you

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Speaker 1: can make to try to persuade a jury. But I'm

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Speaker 1: just gonna be honest with you, Buck, I've defended clients

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Speaker 1: charged with criminal offenses before. If you have a hammer

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Speaker 1: somebody else in the head with that hammer, that's not

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Speaker 1: an easy case to defend, right. I mean, you're kind

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Speaker 1: if there are witnesses and potential video of you with

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Speaker 1: heck of a story to defend him. The reason why

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Speaker 1: defense that he is not of sound mind to stand trial,

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Speaker 1: that will upset some of the apparatus because we were

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Speaker 1: told that he would. You know, it's like he walked

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Speaker 1: from a tea party rally man. He was a right

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Speaker 1: wing Trump supporting COVID denying, Well, if he's actually just

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Speaker 1: a crazy person, that changes that whole narrative a little

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Speaker 1: bit too, doesn't it. Now. I understand people will point

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Speaker 1: out it's a bit late because the election happened and

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Speaker 1: Democrats did better, and there by the way that this

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Speaker 1: may have had some influence. I mean, did you see

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Speaker 1: how tight some of these elections were. I meant to

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Speaker 1: bring this up yesterday, Clay, our friend Lauren Bobert. You

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Speaker 1: see what the final tally was when they did the recount,

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Speaker 1: five hundred and forty six votes. We told you there

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Speaker 1: would be big races determined by literally hundreds, and that

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Speaker 1: Lauren Bobert in Congress. I'd think it'd be interesting. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna see this bodycam footage of Paul, of the

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Speaker 1: police arriving at Paul Pelosi. If we don't see it,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be like when they told us that the

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Speaker 1: Epstein cell had the camera's malfunction and the police there

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Speaker 1: or the guards there just happened to fall asleep. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be like that. Not only that, I mean, what

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Speaker 1: do they say, remember they've fired or suspended that guy

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Speaker 1: from the Today Show for reporting that the door was open.

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Speaker 1: Does NBC apologize to him if it ends up his

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Speaker 1: report was correct. To be fair Clay, the Democrat media

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Speaker 1: rules aren't that you get in trouble for saying something

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Speaker 1: that is untrue. The rule for Democrats at NBC, at CBS,

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Speaker 1: at CNN is you get in trouble if you report

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Speaker 1: something that is true that hurts Democrats. Those are the

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Speaker 1: actual rule. I think we only would happened to remember

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Speaker 1: with the woman who interviewed Fetterman at NBC and she

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Speaker 1: said this guy can barely talk like he's a mess,

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Speaker 1: and then it was proven in the debate her Fetterman

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Speaker 1: is a fashion icon. That's true. Fe