Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to ook F Daily with
Speaker 1: me your Girl Daniel Moody. Pre recorded from the Long
Speaker 1: Island Bunker. Folks, I am taking a bit of a
Speaker 1: respite as things begin to heat up even more in
Speaker 1: this election cycle, so it is really important to take
Speaker 1: breaks when I can, But as always I will leave
Speaker 1: you with great episodes and guests that will keep you know,
Speaker 1: our wheels turn in and keep the conversation going. And
Speaker 1: today I am so excited to welcome back on to
Speaker 1: OKF my friend and co host of Democracy Ishaha hot
Speaker 1: Al Li Wash and I get into a conversation about
Speaker 1: how race and racism are playing in this election and
Speaker 1: how the mainstream corporate media continues to fuck fail because
Speaker 1: that's what they do well. And we also talk about
Speaker 1: our predictions on how this cycle is going to go
Speaker 1: and what is signaling to us where the wind is.
Speaker 1: That conversation is coming up next, folks. Whenever I have
Speaker 1: the opportunity to get a hold of my dear co
Speaker 1: host of Democracy ish juajahat Ali and bring him over
Speaker 1: to WOKF, I am always thrilled. You know him as
Speaker 1: an author of Go Back to Where You Came From,
Speaker 1: which is pretty much you know, the Maga mantra. So
Speaker 1: waj let's start off today. For the last two weeks
Speaker 1: or so, we have actually had good news since the
Speaker 1: switch up in the presidential race. Kamala Harris is really
Speaker 1: just riding on a wave of energy right now. We
Speaker 1: saw it coming out of her rally in Atlanta. We're
Speaker 1: watching it with a dozen phone calls every single week,
Speaker 1: organized calls to get people to donate from you know,
Speaker 1: all different demographic groups. But Donald Trump still is starved
Speaker 1: for attention, and the media loves to give it to him,
Speaker 1: even when it's bad media. So I want to get
Speaker 1: your reactions first to when he appeared at the National
Speaker 1: Association of Black Journalists, the disrespect, the misogyny, the racism,
Speaker 1: but then the headlines that came after that, which was
Speaker 1: again centering Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: I will gladly answer that question, but first you have
Speaker 2: to tell me when you turned black, Danielle.
Speaker 1: I thought I would imagine the Earth, but I think,
Speaker 1: like the Hulk or like Spider Man, there must have
Speaker 1: been some incident that happened.
Speaker 2: Well, there a black spider that beat you at puberty,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, your blackness got activated.
Speaker 2: That's probably what happened to Kamala because apparently, even though
Speaker 2: she was the daughter of an Indian woman and a
Speaker 2: black man, and even though for the rest of us
Speaker 2: who've been following her career, because you know, I'm born,
Speaker 2: raised in the Bayry, California, moved here to Virginia ten
Speaker 2: years ago from my wife because I'm married up, all
Speaker 2: of us knew she claimed black Indian. All of us
Speaker 2: knew that her mother was Indian. All of us saw
Speaker 2: her migdozas with Mindy Kaling. All of us are aware
Speaker 2: because maybe we grew up in the Bay Area, this
Speaker 2: magical unicorn fantasy land where there's a lot of biracial
Speaker 2: folk that you can claim two identities and be celebrated
Speaker 2: as such and still be black, to the point where,
Speaker 2: if you're Kamala Harris, you go to historically black college
Speaker 2: Howard and pledge at a black sorority, you know, and
Speaker 2: also wear Saudi's and eat you know, rice with your hands,
Speaker 2: and you know you have a niece, Mina who also
Speaker 2: wears Saudis and claims all these different identities. Look what
Speaker 2: it shows is the following. And I'm going to say
Speaker 2: this very slowly because I'm about to drop a huge, huge,
Speaker 2: verbal hammers. It's going to be very very, you know, controversial.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump is a racist.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I know.
Speaker 2: I was waiting for nine years, but folks, I think
Speaker 2: I've seen enough. He is a racist. When you act
Speaker 2: like a racist, behave like a racist, talk like a racist,
Speaker 2: engage in racist behavior. Support racists are endorsed by racists,
Speaker 2: have thirty years of a brilliant racist track record. Maybe,
Speaker 2: just maybe you are a racist. And what infuriates me
Speaker 2: is in the year twenty twenty four of our lord,
Speaker 2: who is white, very white. Apparently, corporate media has been
Speaker 2: incapable and unwilling to confront reality and say the truth
Speaker 2: for sake of maintaining a bullshit fantasy of both sides
Speaker 2: and an asymmetry where they have lowered the bar for
Speaker 2: Donald Trump and Omega and now the bar is in
Speaker 2: hell in order to whitewash his sins and somehow make
Speaker 2: him presentable. This is who he has always been. Danielle
Speaker 2: and I saw that thirty five minute press conference shit show,
Speaker 2: which was supposed to last an hour, but then his
Speaker 2: drum campaign was like, no, this is a disastrous I
Speaker 2: saw it. Lie. I was not shocked because I expected this, Danielle.
Speaker 2: You and I talked about this. This is who he is.
Speaker 2: He survived an assassination attempt, and you know, before I
Speaker 2: hand the baton back to you, you and I kept
Speaker 2: saying he will not change. In many of our colleagues
Speaker 2: who said that he was serene, pensive, a unifier. You
Speaker 2: need to resign. You have money, you come from money,
Speaker 2: you have access to money. Resign. This job isn't for
Speaker 2: you. You're not built for this. You're not made for this.
Speaker 2: Go do something else. This is who he is, Danielle.
Speaker 2: This is who he has always been. But the differences,
Speaker 2: and I think this is the pivot. This the year
Speaker 2: is twenty twenty four. We're not gonna sit there and
Speaker 2: allow you to mock and ridicule and shame a black
Speaker 2: person like you did Obama comedy. Harris isn't gonna give
Speaker 2: you her birth certificate like Obama had to, which is
Speaker 2: so friggin' humiliating to this day I think about it. It
Speaker 2: makes me so pissed off. We're not here for it.
Speaker 2: That's the past. We're moving forward. And Kamala Harris that
Speaker 2: she did exactly. She goes, I'm not wasting my time because,
Speaker 2: as Tony Morrison says, racism is a distrastraction, and she says,
Speaker 2: I don't have time for this. We're moving forward. So
Speaker 2: that's the pivot, and I think that's where we are.
Speaker 2: And I think this week in particular, which is felt
Speaker 2: like a year with Kamala Harris saying say to my face,
Speaker 2: with Megan the stallion, with that energy and momentum compared
Speaker 2: and contrasted to this. If she wins, there's still a
Speaker 2: long time to go, folks, Right, this will be the
Speaker 2: pivot moment in my opinion. I'm sorry, I had a
Speaker 2: lot to say.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I think that it's right. I think
Speaker 1: that Look, the mainstream media is still stuck in this
Speaker 1: place that doesn't exist, like you said, the both sides ism,
Speaker 1: this idea that like, oh, we have to give the
Speaker 1: mic and headlines to each group, which they don't do
Speaker 1: equally regardless. Right, So what made me really pissed off,
Speaker 1: even though the Washington Post has since, you know, as
Speaker 1: you said, change their headline is that when a person
Speaker 1: of color is attacked by a racist, somehow it becomes
Speaker 1: a pivotal moment for us, Like, how does that even
Speaker 1: make sense?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna quote the headline. This was the headline yesterday, folks.
Speaker 2: I caught it before it trended and they changed the headline.
Speaker 2: Me and a few others jumped on immediately. It was
Speaker 2: the following I'm not making this up after everything that
Speaker 2: we just said. This is how Washington Post ran with
Speaker 2: that batchit crazy racist, unhinged Trump rant and humiliation. I
Speaker 2: should add of the black women who were moderating the panel,
Speaker 2: this is quote. Harris faces a pivotal moment as Trump
Speaker 2: questions her identity. The first black and Asian woman to
Speaker 2: be a major party presidential nominie, confronts her opponent's comments
Speaker 2: that she quote became a black person.
Speaker 1: It is just I mean you, honestly, you can't make
Speaker 1: this shut up, like you really can't. And for somebody
Speaker 1: to have written thatdline and said, oh yeah, we're gonna
Speaker 1: run with this because now he's a racist. But she
Speaker 1: needs to be on the defensive to somehow defend her identity,
Speaker 1: which she has talked about ad nauseum when she was
Speaker 1: ag when she's a senator, when she's a vice president
Speaker 1: of the United States, like this is not news. And
Speaker 1: the fact that Donald Trump and white supremacists can't allow
Speaker 1: people to hold multiple identities right at one time. Again,
Speaker 1: is just the narrowness and the ignorance of their entire movement,
Speaker 1: right Like he thought that in that moment that he
Speaker 1: had a yogatcha moment where what he's going to try
Speaker 1: and pin the Indian population against the black population because
Speaker 1: we don't all know that we can embody multiple identities
Speaker 1: at one time.
Speaker 2: Can I tell you what New York Times did before
Speaker 2: they changed it? This was the New York Times before
Speaker 2: they updated it. Here we go, Trump says, Harris quote
Speaker 2: became a black person only recently. That was what they
Speaker 2: led with, and then they finally had to change it.
Speaker 2: They change it finally to this, Trump falsely questions Harris's
Speaker 2: identity as a black woman. We're recording this on Thursday,
Speaker 2: and they still haven't used the r word racist. And
Speaker 2: I want to tell everyone, I've tweeted this three times now,
Speaker 2: and even before I just jumped on your show, I
Speaker 2: tweeted again. I said, friends and colleagues in corporate media,
Speaker 2: the water is warm, jump in join me and Danielle.
Speaker 2: You can call him racist. You can use the racist word.
Speaker 1: You can racially changed, not racially highlighted, not racially shaded.
Speaker 2: Just racist racial flareup. Remember that one. It's like herpes,
Speaker 2: it just flaw. Just what's the medicine for racial flarup?
Speaker 2: It's interesting, I have to wash cream.
Speaker 1: Yeah, whatever it is, it's white, and whatever it is,
Speaker 1: it involves a hood.
Speaker 2: Okay, I say this is speaking of a hood. Scott Jennings,
Speaker 2: the human Abiba on CNN, who's now the resident token
Speaker 2: right wing guy, even he admitted yesterday, almost couting of verbatim,
Speaker 2: that Donald Trump craped the bed and he has to
Speaker 2: change the sheets. And I said, yep, those sheets will
Speaker 2: still be white with holes and it'll be worn as
Speaker 2: a hood.
Speaker 1: Unbelievable other than Amber Rose, who watched that interview and
Speaker 1: said that she thought it was amazing and that he
Speaker 1: did such a great job. And then everybody's just like,
Speaker 1: were you watching the same interview the rest of us did,
Speaker 1: like on Planet Earth or no, I want to get
Speaker 1: your thoughts was on. We see what the media is doing, right,
Speaker 1: We actually see that us calling them out in social
Speaker 1: media is showing signs of working with the pivots that
Speaker 1: they're making. Yeah, but their initial desire to just go
Speaker 1: with Trump and lean into racism. Seems to not have
Speaker 1: changed or pivoted at all since two thousand and eight
Speaker 1: with birtherism till now birthaism wash was sixteen years ago.
Speaker 1: Sixteen years years ago is when Donald Trump became the
Speaker 1: face of birtherism, and the media still hasn't learned shit.
Speaker 2: Not just even birtherism. If you remember, I'm going to
Speaker 2: New York Times a couple of years ago did a
Speaker 2: profile of the Tea Party, I think the tenth anniversary
Speaker 2: of the Tea Party, and if you recall, they had
Speaker 2: to update the content in the article because they initially
Speaker 2: did not include the tea parties racism, which was a
Speaker 2: fundamental part of the Tea Party that you you know.
Speaker 2: I remember when I was asked about on NPR years ago,
Speaker 2: I mentioned this. I said, you know, because I was
Speaker 2: researching it and plus you know, I have eyes, and
Speaker 2: I was like, this is the fundamental part of it.
Speaker 2: And the Republican was brought on and goes, we're not
Speaker 2: against Obama because there's just a few of us. I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: this is part and parcel of the unquote economic anxiety
Speaker 2: that has riled up the quote unquote cultural anxiety of
Speaker 2: the Tea Party that later became what MAGA, that later
Speaker 2: what took over the Republican Party. And speaking of economic anxiety, Danielle,
Speaker 2: let's take it back to twenty sixteen. Oh no, no, no,
Speaker 2: it wasn't racism. It was the economic anxiety of these
Speaker 2: blue collar workers in the rust belt. Right, And so okay,
Speaker 2: let's say, maybe you are allowed to be fooled by
Speaker 2: that narrative. I get it. Even though all the data, folks,
Speaker 2: and all the studies, numerous studies have shown it's important
Speaker 2: to mention this. It was wait for it, cultural anxiety
Speaker 2: that made Barack Obama voters turn to Trump, the fear
Speaker 2: of being wait for it replaced by people who look
Speaker 2: like me and Danielle. All right, so let's fast forward.
Speaker 2: Let's be generous. It's no longer twenty sixteen, Danielle, it
Speaker 2: is twenty twenty four. Donald told white supremacists to stand
Speaker 2: back and stand by. He dined with Nick Fuentez, a
Speaker 2: white supremacist to this day has refused to condemn him.
Speaker 2: Says that black people come from shithole countries. Why can't
Speaker 2: people come from Norway? I've been to Norway, great country.
Speaker 2: White as hell, it's so white it made my teeth white.
Speaker 2: So he's a person who just last night, yet again,
Speaker 2: called Chuck Schumer a Palestinian, used Palestinian as a slur
Speaker 2: against a Jewish a senator. Right, he's a person who
Speaker 2: said Kung flu in China flu, which inspired hate against
Speaker 2: Asian Americans, innocent Asian Americans who were just walking by.
Speaker 2: But people said Jim a punch of the face killed. Right.
Speaker 2: Misogynist mocked black journalist, mocked black cities, you know, chaos,
Speaker 2: urban crime, told women of color, the squad congressman of
Speaker 2: color to go back to their country even though they're
Speaker 2: US congressman. This is just the top of my head, Danielle.
Speaker 2: I didn't prepare for this. This is just me keeping receipts.
Speaker 2: And then, as you said yesterday thirty five minutes off
Speaker 2: the bat mocks, ridicules, humiliates a Rachel Scott ABC News
Speaker 2: anchor who did a great job under fire. She was
Speaker 2: put in a terrible position, calls and news, fake news, mocks.
Speaker 2: DII Hires says Kamala turned black, lied about being the
Speaker 2: best president for black people since Lincoln.
Speaker 3: Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. I think he's freed the slaves. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: and then also LBJ did something called the Civil Rights Act.
Speaker 2: But what do I know, I'm just a DEI hire.
Speaker 2: And so Danielle like, I'm sitting here thinking to myself
Speaker 2: after all of this and quoting Hitler, what look, does
Speaker 2: he need to wear a hood?
Speaker 3: He needs to wear a hood.
Speaker 1: He needs to wear a hood, and he needs to
Speaker 1: self identify as a racist. Just how Josh Hawley self
Speaker 1: identified as a Christian nationalist. And then it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm a Christian nationalist because he says so It's like,
Speaker 1: it doesn't the evidence that you just laid out is
Speaker 1: decades long, right, that was off the dome. He has
Speaker 1: all but he has all but used the N word, right,
Speaker 1: and that is their barometer for finally called I don't
Speaker 1: know if journalists have ever have ever called anybody a
Speaker 1: racist that is a race that wasn't like directly involved
Speaker 1: in the klu Klux Klan or the White Citizens Council
Speaker 1: in the nineteen sixties. And so it's always like, well,
Speaker 1: we don't really know what's inside their hearts, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: but I know what's coming out of his fucking mouth, right,
Speaker 1: So if I know what's coming out of his mouth?
Speaker 1: Then I have listening ears, Then what am I supposed
Speaker 1: to to doce from the evidence that is presented, your.
Speaker 2: Ears are better than Donald who couldn't listen. Apparently yesterday
Speaker 2: at the NEABJ, you know, I asked my wife, who's
Speaker 2: a doctor, is there a racist bone, because again I'm
Speaker 2: just a DEI hire and a recovering attorney and she's
Speaker 2: a doctor. And she said, there is not a racist
Speaker 2: bone in the body. And then I asked my brother
Speaker 2: in law, who's a cardiologist, and I said, is there
Speaker 2: something as a racist aorta or a racist vein in
Speaker 2: the heart? And he said no. So again, Danielle, I
Speaker 2: don't know about people's hearts. I'm not Ben Carson. I
Speaker 2: don't know about racist bones. I judge people by their
Speaker 2: repeated behaviors and actions. And what did Maya Angelous say?
Speaker 3: When people show you they are, believe them. So I'm
Speaker 3: not quite sure what else mainstream corporate media needs to see.
Speaker 3: But I'm pretty sure and this is my theory. Wah.
Speaker 1: I know that the road ahead to the election is
Speaker 1: one that is going to be filled with obstacles. I
Speaker 1: know that people are feeling excited now, but momentum, you know,
Speaker 1: ebbs and flows, and I hope that we can persist.
Speaker 1: I hope that these organizing calls and the volunteerism like
Speaker 1: continues at a fever pitch, and these endorsements continue to
Speaker 1: roll in in the way that they are. But I
Speaker 1: think that Donald Trump is going to have a fucking meltdown.
Speaker 1: I think that what is going to happen, and what
Speaker 1: has already begun to happen, is that he's losing the
Speaker 1: attention from the media, is losing the spotlight. The poll
Speaker 1: numbers are showing that the gaps are being closed, and
Speaker 1: the thought and the idea of him losing to this
Speaker 1: black woman mm hmm on the national stage, I think
Speaker 1: is going to send him into the types of tie
Speaker 1: raids that like we haven't really seen yet. Like I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna let it all hang out before the election.
Speaker 3: What do you think?
Speaker 2: I think that's in astute observation, because look, just look
Speaker 2: at this list lot this week. Right, he realizes Kamalize
Speaker 2: now either tied or advanced in the polls. He realizes
Speaker 2: the pick of JD. Vance, who loves couches, has been disastrous.
Speaker 2: He's got JD. Vance has the lowest favorability of any
Speaker 2: VP candidate in our lifetime. He's actually gone from like
Speaker 2: negative three to negative fifteen, which means in one week
Speaker 2: he's gone even worse. And so he realizes, I've lost
Speaker 2: the momentum. I picked this friggin lump of coal as
Speaker 2: my VP. I don't have the energy. I thought I
Speaker 2: could ride my bandaged ear to the presidency after I
Speaker 2: sat there and the honestly, that's what he thought. I
Speaker 2: survived in an assassination attempt. I got up, I said fight,
Speaker 2: I'm against old man Biden's I could golf, and now
Speaker 2: he's like, crap, I have to actually work and I
Speaker 2: have to go to the rallies. And this is where
Speaker 2: Republicans on the DL are horrified. And the reason why
Speaker 2: they're horrified is they realize the more Donald speaks, the
Speaker 2: more people remember how and who he is, and the
Speaker 2: fact that he's not agile. He cannot evolve, he cannot pivot.
Speaker 2: He's like an eighties band who has one He's a
Speaker 2: one hit wonder.
Speaker 3: One hit hit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so is he changed no? Can he change no?
Speaker 2: Has he ever changed? No? And now he's older, and
Speaker 2: now you have this dynamic, attractive, energetic black Indian woman
Speaker 2: who smiles and mocks him and wears a blue pastel
Speaker 2: power suit and has got Megan the stallion and now
Speaker 2: has a momentum and has zoom calls that are raising
Speaker 2: more money than actual fundraisers. And he's slipping now in
Speaker 2: Arizona and Nevada and North Carolina is in play, and
Speaker 2: there's a sentencing coming up, and he realizes he peaked.
Speaker 2: He'll never have that glorious week where Biden leffed up
Speaker 2: in the debates and there was a mutiny and there
Speaker 2: were calls for him to dropout, and he's survived in
Speaker 2: an assassination attempt and he had the photopos and he
Speaker 2: had the RNC. That's all gone, Danielle, that's all gone.
Speaker 2: He has peaked, and he has plateaued. And I think
Speaker 2: he's sinking, especially with the sentencing coming up and well
Speaker 2: the hearing and guess what, folks, Kamala Harris has not
Speaker 2: chosen her VP and has not had the DNC.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and to be honest, we haven't started. Look, I
Speaker 1: think that Donald Trump doesn't rise again. And I think
Speaker 1: that because of that, I think that he sinks to
Speaker 1: New lows and I don't know. I mean, look, his
Speaker 1: scapins are going to be sick offense, his cult followers
Speaker 1: are going to be his cult followers. But what I
Speaker 1: do know is that you need more than that to
Speaker 1: win an election. The last question I want to ask you, though,
Speaker 1: this came from one of my followers who said that
Speaker 1: she really thinks that because the energy and the vibe
Speaker 1: has shifted, that Republicans are going to shift towards criminality
Speaker 1: even more in terms of stealing this election. What are
Speaker 1: your thoughts about that?
Speaker 2: Two things as we move forward, Three things. First to
Speaker 2: all going to your points. Number one, Trump will triple
Speaker 2: down on the racism. He has nothing left. And after
Speaker 2: the NABJ conference, I want to remind people that the
Speaker 2: entire Trump campaign thought this would be the winning ticket,
Speaker 2: and they mocked her at his rally and they had
Speaker 2: a big poster of her on the screen headline first
Speaker 2: Indian American Senator wins and they thought, ah see you,
Speaker 2: we'll get her. So they going to change, Daniel, It's
Speaker 2: going to get more nasty, more ugly, more racist. Number two,
Speaker 2: I agree with you. We're dealing with a violent insurrection
Speaker 2: which has never ended, and the first coup attempt was
Speaker 2: a dress rehearsal. Expect them to get more desperate, more nasty,
Speaker 2: more ugly, more criminal, more violent. And number three though,
Speaker 2: and this is where I think is the positive pivot
Speaker 2: as of this recording. Just about two hours ago, the
Speaker 2: former Republican governor of Illinois just formally endorsed Kamala Harris.
Speaker 2: You have seen CEOs more CEOs come out this week
Speaker 2: endorsing Kamala Harris. You saw President Biden and Kamala Harris
Speaker 2: in a historic active diplomacy work with several nations to
Speaker 2: release sixteen prisoners. Not just there were four Americans, three
Speaker 2: Americans and is one with the green card, but there
Speaker 2: were Germans there and Russian dissidents. And so that to me, Danielle,
Speaker 2: the fact that Putin gave Biden that win and Harris
Speaker 2: that win, because the reporting has come out that the
Speaker 2: Biden administration said Kamala Harris was pivotal in this, That
Speaker 2: to me is Putin saying Donald, you are no longer
Speaker 2: my reek. I think you're gonna lose because Donald kept
Speaker 2: saying alone, I'm gonna be doing it. And if Putin
Speaker 2: really wanted to help Donald, he would have waited.
Speaker 3: He would have waited yep.
Speaker 2: And so that to me is a sign. All these
Speaker 2: are signs that people kind of know where the wind
Speaker 2: is and they're like, I think people are done with
Speaker 2: Donald But look, folks, this election is gonna come down
Speaker 2: to six states, yep, and it's gonna be it's it's scary, Like,
Speaker 2: I think she's gonna win the popular vote, Democrats win
Speaker 2: the popular vote. I think it's gonna be historic turnout.
Speaker 2: You don't know. It literally comes down to six to
Speaker 2: the point where if Trump wins Pennsylvania, there are several
Speaker 2: paths to victory, but it becomes dicey. If he loses Pennsylvania,
Speaker 2: his path becomes very hard. That's literally it's like down
Speaker 2: to three states, folks. That's that's how absurd it is
Speaker 2: so pedal to the medal.
Speaker 1: Well, my friend Waja hot Dei Ali, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for making the time for me and wok F
Speaker 1: always appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Dei's unite. Maybe one day, one day will earn our place.
Speaker 1: Maybe one day that is it for me today, dear
Speaker 1: friends on wok F as always power to the people
Speaker 1: and to all the people.
Speaker 3: Power, get woke and stay woke, as fuck