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Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to ook F Daily with

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Speaker 1: me your Girl Daniel Moody. Pre recorded from the Long

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Speaker 1: Island Bunker. Folks, I am taking a bit of a

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Speaker 1: respite as things begin to heat up even more in

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Speaker 1: this election cycle, so it is really important to take

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Speaker 1: breaks when I can, But as always I will leave

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Speaker 1: you with great episodes and guests that will keep you know,

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Speaker 1: today I am so excited to welcome back on to

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Speaker 1: OKF my friend and co host of Democracy Ishaha hot

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Speaker 1: Al Li Wash and I get into a conversation about

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Speaker 1: how race and racism are playing in this election and

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Speaker 1: how the mainstream corporate media continues to fuck fail because

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Speaker 1: that's what they do well. And we also talk about

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Speaker 1: our predictions on how this cycle is going to go

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Speaker 1: and what is signaling to us where the wind is.

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Speaker 1: That conversation is coming up next, folks. Whenever I have

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Speaker 1: the opportunity to get a hold of my dear co

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Speaker 1: host of Democracy ish juajahat Ali and bring him over

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Speaker 1: to WOKF, I am always thrilled. You know him as

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Speaker 1: an author of Go Back to Where You Came From,

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Speaker 1: which is pretty much you know, the Maga mantra. So

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Speaker 1: waj let's start off today. For the last two weeks

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Speaker 1: or so, we have actually had good news since the

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Speaker 1: switch up in the presidential race. Kamala Harris is really

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Speaker 1: just riding on a wave of energy right now. We

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Speaker 1: saw it coming out of her rally in Atlanta. We're

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Speaker 1: watching it with a dozen phone calls every single week,

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Speaker 1: organized calls to get people to donate from you know,

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Speaker 1: all different demographic groups. But Donald Trump still is starved

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Speaker 1: for attention, and the media loves to give it to him,

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Speaker 1: even when it's bad media. So I want to get

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Speaker 1: your reactions first to when he appeared at the National

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Speaker 1: Association of Black Journalists, the disrespect, the misogyny, the racism,

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Speaker 1: but then the headlines that came after that, which was

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Speaker 1: again centering Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: I will gladly answer that question, but first you have

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Speaker 2: to tell me when you turned black, Danielle.

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Speaker 1: I thought I would imagine the Earth, but I think,

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Speaker 1: like the Hulk or like Spider Man, there must have

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Speaker 1: been some incident that happened.

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Speaker 2: Well, there a black spider that beat you at puberty,

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Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, your blackness got activated.

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Speaker 2: That's probably what happened to Kamala because apparently, even though

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Speaker 2: she was the daughter of an Indian woman and a

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Speaker 2: who've been following her career, because you know, I'm born,

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Speaker 2: raised in the Bayry, California, moved here to Virginia ten

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Speaker 2: years ago from my wife because I'm married up, all

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Speaker 2: of us knew she claimed black Indian. All of us

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Speaker 2: knew that her mother was Indian. All of us saw

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Speaker 2: her migdozas with Mindy Kaling. All of us are aware

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Speaker 2: because maybe we grew up in the Bay Area, this

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Speaker 2: magical unicorn fantasy land where there's a lot of biracial

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Speaker 2: folk that you can claim two identities and be celebrated

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Speaker 2: as such and still be black, to the point where,

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Speaker 2: if you're Kamala Harris, you go to historically black college

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Speaker 2: also wear Saudi's and eat you know, rice with your hands,

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Speaker 2: and you know you have a niece, Mina who also

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Speaker 2: wears Saudis and claims all these different identities. Look what

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Speaker 2: it shows is the following. And I'm going to say

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Speaker 2: this very slowly because I'm about to drop a huge, huge,

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump is a racist.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I know.

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Speaker 2: I was waiting for nine years, but folks, I think

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Speaker 2: I've seen enough. He is a racist. When you act

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Speaker 2: like a racist, behave like a racist, talk like a racist,

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Speaker 2: engage in racist behavior. Support racists are endorsed by racists,

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Speaker 2: have thirty years of a brilliant racist track record. Maybe,

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Speaker 2: just maybe you are a racist. And what infuriates me

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Speaker 2: is in the year twenty twenty four of our lord,

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Speaker 2: who is white, very white. Apparently, corporate media has been

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Speaker 2: hell in order to whitewash his sins and somehow make

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Speaker 2: him presentable. This is who he has always been. Danielle

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Speaker 2: and I saw that thirty five minute press conference shit show,

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Speaker 2: saw it. Lie. I was not shocked because I expected this, Danielle.

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Speaker 2: You and I talked about this. This is who he is.

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Speaker 2: He survived an assassination attempt, and you know, before I

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Speaker 2: hand the baton back to you, you and I kept

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Speaker 2: saying he will not change. In many of our colleagues

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Speaker 2: need to resign. You have money, you come from money,

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Speaker 2: you have access to money. Resign. This job isn't for

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Speaker 2: you. You're not built for this. You're not made for this.

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Speaker 2: Go do something else. This is who he is, Danielle.

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Speaker 2: This is who he has always been. But the differences,

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Speaker 2: and I think this is the pivot. This the year

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Speaker 2: is twenty twenty four. We're not gonna sit there and

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Speaker 2: allow you to mock and ridicule and shame a black

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Speaker 2: person like you did Obama comedy. Harris isn't gonna give

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Speaker 2: you her birth certificate like Obama had to, which is

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Speaker 2: so friggin' humiliating to this day I think about it. It

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Speaker 2: makes me so pissed off. We're not here for it.

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Speaker 2: That's the past. We're moving forward. And Kamala Harris that

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Speaker 2: she did exactly. She goes, I'm not wasting my time because,

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Speaker 2: as Tony Morrison says, racism is a distrastraction, and she says,

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Speaker 2: I don't have time for this. We're moving forward. So

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Speaker 2: that's the pivot, and I think that's where we are.

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Speaker 2: And I think this week in particular, which is felt

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Speaker 2: long time to go, folks, Right, this will be the

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Speaker 2: pivot moment in my opinion. I'm sorry, I had a

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, I think that it's right. I think

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Speaker 1: that Look, the mainstream media is still stuck in this

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Speaker 1: even though the Washington Post has since, you know, as

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna quote the headline. This was the headline yesterday, folks.

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Speaker 2: this is quote. Harris faces a pivotal moment as Trump

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Speaker 1: It is just I mean you, honestly, you can't make

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Speaker 1: the fact that Donald Trump and white supremacists can't allow

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Speaker 1: people to hold multiple identities right at one time. Again,

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Speaker 2: Can I tell you what New York Times did before

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Speaker 2: they updated it. Here we go, Trump says, Harris quote

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Speaker 2: I want to tell everyone, I've tweeted this three times now,

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Speaker 2: the water is warm, jump in join me and Danielle.

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Speaker 2: You can call him racist. You can use the racist word.

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Speaker 1: You can racially changed, not racially highlighted, not racially shaded.

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Speaker 2: Just racist racial flareup. Remember that one. It's like herpes,

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Speaker 2: It's interesting, I have to wash cream.

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Speaker 2: change the sheets. And I said, yep, those sheets will

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Speaker 1: Unbelievable other than Amber Rose, who watched that interview and

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Speaker 2: Not just even birtherism. If you remember, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: this is part and parcel of the unquote economic anxiety

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Speaker 2: the Tea Party that later became what MAGA, that later

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Speaker 2: what took over the Republican Party. And speaking of economic anxiety, Danielle,

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Speaker 2: let's take it back to twenty sixteen. Oh no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't racism. It was the economic anxiety of these

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Speaker 2: Let's be generous. It's no longer twenty sixteen, Danielle, it

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Speaker 2: He'll never have that glorious week where Biden leffed up

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and to be honest, we haven't started. Look, I

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Speaker 2: Two things as we move forward, Three things. First to

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Speaker 2: all going to your points. Number one, Trump will triple

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Speaker 2: You have seen CEOs more CEOs come out this week

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Speaker 3: He would have waited yep.

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Speaker 2: Donald But look, folks, this election is gonna come down

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Speaker 2: I think she's gonna win the popular vote, Democrats win

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Speaker 2: You don't know. It literally comes down to six to

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Speaker 2: the point where if Trump wins Pennsylvania, there are several

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Speaker 1: Well, my friend Waja hot Dei Ali, thank you so

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Speaker 1: always appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Dei's unite. Maybe one day, one day will earn our place.

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Speaker 1: Maybe one day that is it for me today, dear

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Speaker 1: friends on wok F as always power to the people

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Speaker 1: and to all the people.

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Speaker 3: Power, get woke and stay woke, as fuck