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Speaker 1: Happy Monday everyone.

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Speaker 2: I hope you're feeling blessed.

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Speaker 1: I'm just out here meditating, sipping on a big old

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Speaker 1: cup of shrimp, sipping on a big old, big old

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Speaker 1: You got five tam fifty two shrimps in there. You'll

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Speaker 3: Good mornings, sweet world, and welcome to the Now Dunks

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Speaker 3: podcast on the Athletic Network. It's Monday, June sixteenth, twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty five. I'm Jay Skeets here in the Classic Factory,

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Speaker 3: and alongside me as always.

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Speaker 2: Tasmelis Transaction fans. This one's for you.

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Speaker 3: Next to him, it's the bearded one shirt back on Boo.

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Speaker 3: It's herby Hey and over Yonder making the magic happen.

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Speaker 3: Super producer JD. Hello Darius, JD. Stick with you for

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Speaker 3: a second. Things sound a little different to me. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I know. We have a lot of new technology over

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Speaker 3: at your desk. Is it freaking you out a little bit?

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Speaker 3: It sounds like I'm scuba diving. Yeah, okay, it feels

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Speaker 3: good to everybody.

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Speaker 4: Else hopefully, Yeah, drop a lake if it sounds better.

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Speaker 4: I've been working on this for the last ten hours straight.

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Speaker 3: So we got what do we got? Talk it through.

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Speaker 4: We got a new roadcaster to pro to something or other.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: What do you mean?

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Speaker 5: You don't know?

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Speaker 3: Buy it? Okay, you say that because you had a

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Speaker 3: long weekend. Put it together. Troubleshooting.

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Speaker 2: There's always something skeets.

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Speaker 4: There's always something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, fascinating. It's gonna take me a while we

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Speaker 3: get used to this, but uh, you.

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Speaker 2: Know what it is.

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Speaker 4: I think there's a slight delay and I'm going to work.

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Speaker 3: On But as long as the stream team are giving

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Speaker 5: It sounds good, Paul, it's just up here.

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Speaker 3: It's just up here in our cans. We can deal

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Speaker 3: with that. Hello to everybody here on a Monday morning,

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Speaker 3: Hit the like buttons, subscribe podcast listeners. Five star ratings

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Speaker 3: and reviews. Game five of the NBA Finals tonight, excuse me,

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Speaker 3: a pivotal Game five? That series tattoo too that's a

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Speaker 3: pivotal game five. We're gonna discuss that one later because

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Speaker 3: the Southern lawyer paid us a visit this weekend.

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Speaker 5: Good sir, we got all sales a try.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what a Father's Day treat for you guys. Yesterday,

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Speaker 3: the Memphis Grizzlies trading Desmond Bane to the Orlando Magic

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Speaker 3: for Contavious Caldwell, Pope Cole Anthony, four unprotected first round picks,

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Speaker 3: and one first round pick swap. I'll give you those

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Speaker 3: actual picks. You got the sixteenth overall pick in this

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Speaker 3: year's draft. Easy, that's going from Orlando to Memphis. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: you said that one was easy. Not this next one.

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Speaker 3: A first round pick in twenty twenty six. It's probably

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Speaker 3: it's a convoluted pick. Oh, like, you'll do your head

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Speaker 3: Anyway, it's a twenty six pick, and then the Magic's

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Speaker 3: twenty eight and thirty unprotected first round picks, and then

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Speaker 3: lot of draft capital going to the Memphis Grizzlies for

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Speaker 3: to the Memphis Grizzlies. But what was your first reaction

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Speaker 3: when you saw the details and what this deal was?

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Speaker 2: Like everyone's seeing it. That's a lot of picks. That

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Speaker 6: And we'll get into every single pick and what it

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Speaker 5: We just did.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, we can get way deeper than that, you know,

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Speaker 6: They should be a top three team in the Eastern

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Speaker 6: to get way better. Imagine all the attention he is

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Speaker 6: Those guys are going to get space and that is

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Speaker 2: I think this makes Jalen Suggs way better.

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Speaker 6: All those stats and all that, we can break it down,

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Speaker 6: the Magic just stunk last year, they were the worst

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Speaker 6: at thirty one point eight percent. This guy is far better.

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Speaker 6: I think this team just it gets better everywhere. It

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Speaker 6: is definitely a worry that you give out. You giveaway

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Speaker 6: Wendell Carter Junior. That is a very good question, because

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Speaker 6: they got none essentially now, So that's the question. But

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Speaker 3: How good way because Tatum's injury to the Celtics maybe

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Speaker 3: the Bucks. Yep, You've got good Pacers teams, You've got

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Speaker 3: good Knicks teams. You still having theory a good Calves team. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Pacers currently constructed.

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Speaker 6: Pacers, Nicks, Magic and the Calves. That's that's the scramble

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Speaker 6: You know, didn't have enough of that in Memphis and

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Speaker 3: Okay, what was your first reaction to this tk a

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Speaker 3: that was my first reaction, Like they have been trades before,

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Speaker 3: it was like the Thunder or the Nuggets trading a

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Speaker 5: My second reaction was one of the greatest name for

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Speaker 5: name trades of all time, Desmond Bane for Contavious Caldwell Pope.

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Speaker 5: Those were like top five minutes in the NBA. Switching sides,

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Speaker 5: there's two parts to it, for everything, the basketball and

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Speaker 5: for the magic. They're getting the three point shooting that

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Speaker 5: they desperately need. They thought KCP was that guy. Clearly

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Speaker 5: he wasn't. I don't necessarily think that one shooter instantly

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Speaker 5: cares on defense. Definitely an upgrade over KCP. I do

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Speaker 5: think Orlando's gonna have to get a lot more creative

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Speaker 5: Franz is a good playmaker. Bane's a good playmaker. All

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Speaker 5: these guys are wired to score However, yeah, I don't

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Speaker 5: he's KCP. That was one of the problems. They didn't

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Speaker 5: four games the last three seasons. This is a Magic

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Speaker 5: team that was completely banged up last year, missing Pollo

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Speaker 5: worried about the picks they're giving up because more than

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Speaker 5: likely Orlando's drafting eighteen to thirty in the first round

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Speaker 5: I'm more so worried about like tass Is saying, this

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Speaker 5: is the magic team. Now it's gonna be Polo Franz, Sugs,

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Speaker 5: Polo is gonna get paid next season. That's a very

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Speaker 5: makes more sense to have two really highly paid players,

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Speaker 5: not four, especially when you trade all of your draft picks,

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Speaker 5: which means you then can't acquire the guys around those four.

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Speaker 5: That's literally what was happening in Memphis.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, Suggs is a descending contract that gets cheaper

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Speaker 6: and cheaper, but yeah.

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Speaker 3: Ye, they are guys on max deals after the twenty

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Speaker 3: thirty million, but I guess it does decrease. But Bains

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Speaker 3: about forty five million over the next four years.

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Speaker 6: Come on, TV, deal, keep this salary cat raising for

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Speaker 6: those Yeah, and there's big drop off after you know,

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Speaker 6: those four Wendell Curb Junior is probably your center. They

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Speaker 6: have Jonathan Isaac under contract for a good amount of

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Speaker 2: Other than that, yeah, they won't be able to get

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Speaker 6: The draft, which is a thing that here, with the

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Speaker 6: to be able to draft somebody for cheaper, especially guys

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Speaker 6: much they get paid off the court now.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that is the problem. There's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 2: They paid a lot.

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Speaker 3: But it's a huge bet obviously on that four that

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Speaker 3: They're the worst three point shooting team in the league,

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Speaker 5: You're not gonna make a point for the game. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: Totally. Yeah, they're trying to see a team push all

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Speaker 6: I do like how they're betting on these four guys.

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Speaker 2: They're different types of guys.

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Speaker 6: But I do think there will be plenty of catch

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Speaker 5: That was the the Anthony Meltain era the NBA.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, But Jalen Sugs had a good year last year.

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Speaker 6: And that's why he kind of emulates Derek White to me,

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Speaker 3: Because de Jonte missed his rookie season. No, he missed out. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he missed about half his rookie season. Then he missed

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Speaker 3: he like misses like twenty five percent of the games,

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Speaker 3: Like he's he just has like every injury known to man,

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Speaker 3: the other similarity is the Hawks brought to Jonte Murray

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Speaker 3: That didn't work on the.

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Speaker 2: Flip side magic Bans coming in.

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Speaker 3: No, Bain's coming in help with our offense. It's the

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Speaker 3: complete reverse. Yeah, and it's like how much can one

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Speaker 3: my final point on that is like this fit is

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Speaker 2: The Magic are just way better than the Hawks were.

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Speaker 3: Why they weren't though? When the Hawks made that trade,

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Speaker 3: they were a better team than than the Magic were

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Speaker 3: last year. Are you just gonna blame their own injuries?

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Speaker 2: The Magic were a forty seven win team ten years ago.

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Speaker 3: Last year they weren't.

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Speaker 6: Last year with twenty three twenty four, yeah, ben Cara

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Speaker 6: They didn't have obliques man Franz and bon Cao both

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Speaker 6: Dejontay Murray was brought in to solve everything on this

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Speaker 6: I know we look at these draft picks, we say, whoa,

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Speaker 6: you really can't tell what they gave up until years later.

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Speaker 6: Like the Rudy go Bear trade. It was also four

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Speaker 3: Team FM picks, but I'm also with these aprons. You

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Speaker 3: like the Knicks did when they made the Crazy Bridges trade,

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Speaker 3: and they're like, that's our guy that's going to help

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Speaker 6: They gotta be good, there's no, there's no they have

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Speaker 6: So it's number sixteen this year, and then their own

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Speaker 2: Expect to be good.

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Speaker 6: All these guys signed through you know, the next three

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Speaker 6: The next year is the juicy one because it could

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Speaker 3: How would you then grade the Orlando side of things?

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Speaker 5: I think it's probably between a B and a B plus, Okay,

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Speaker 5: because this is their top four. I love their top four.

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Speaker 5: we'll get him back. Milwaukee, I think is a question mark.

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Speaker 5: Detroit could get better. They've got ways to get better,

434
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Speaker 5: and they just had a fun playoff run playing against

435
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Speaker 5: the Knicks in the first round. So I think they're

436
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Speaker 5: four to six, which is a great spot for the

437
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Speaker 5: Magic to be if things hit right and maybe they

438
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Speaker 5: make a conference finals. I think more than likely they'll

439
00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,240
Speaker 5: probably win one playoff round kind of team, which is

440
00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,840
Speaker 5: an improvement, But what is the ceiling after that? As

441
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Speaker 5: the question for yeah, and that all comes down to

442
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Speaker 5: how good does Polo get, how good does Franz get?

443
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And then I would just add to that, and

444
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Speaker 3: I'm with you, like, obviously you make this type of move.

445
00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,439
Speaker 3: It's like, we got to win playoff series now and

446
00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,439
Speaker 3: start going further. And if you don't, then they'll have

447
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Speaker 3: one more move and that will be Jamal Moseley will

448
00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:27,800
Speaker 3: be out and a new coaching staff will come in

449
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Speaker 3: and have a go at it. And like, that's exactly

450
00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,960
Speaker 3: what's gonna happen if they don't have immediate success and

451
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Speaker 3: obviously compete at the top of the East and win

452
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Speaker 3: some playoff rounds. But okay, you give it a B

453
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Speaker 3: B plus where you go on same thing or do

454
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Speaker 3: you go a you seem to like it more?

455
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Speaker 1: I do?

456
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Speaker 2: I do like it more?

457
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Speaker 6: I do believe in a young Boncaro twenty two and

458
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Speaker 6: Franz still super young to go with Desmond Baine. And

459
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Speaker 6: I do think Jalen Suggs is a far better player

460
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Speaker 6: than Dan Anthony Melton. I think he's got a lot

461
00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,840
Speaker 6: of talent, and so I think their top four is real.

462
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Speaker 6: Whether it's it depends on what they do this year.

463
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Speaker 6: Like if they can win fifty five games, which I

464
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Speaker 6: think should be their ceiling, and I think that's a possibility,

465
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Speaker 6: then it's definitely it's an A minus. It's an A

466
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Speaker 6: right now, it's a B plus. But I do believe

467
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Speaker 6: in their defense being great. Desmond Baine is a tough dude.

468
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Speaker 6: Two years ago, he is in Lebron's face in the playoffs, Like,

469
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Speaker 6: I don't think he is just going to fade away.

470
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Speaker 6: I think he's gonna be a very good player for

471
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Speaker 6: this team and they're gonna ask a lot. They're gonna

472
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Speaker 6: ask a lot of him. And sucks to handle the ball.

473
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Speaker 6: That that's what they lacked going into the playoffs. They

474
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Speaker 6: didn't have any ball handlers. Suggs was out, and so

475
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Speaker 6: how will they react now to having a great Bancaro

476
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Speaker 6: as your number one guy plus Franz growing. I think

477
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Speaker 6: that they should play off each other really well.

478
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Speaker 5: Well twenty twenty five, twenty six Magic like the Desmond

479
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Speaker 5: Baine Magic. Will they be better than this year's Grizzlies

480
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Speaker 5: team twenty four to twenty five Grizzlies, great question. They

481
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Speaker 5: won forty eight games in the Western Conference.

482
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Speaker 3: It's so funny you said that because I wrote in

483
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Speaker 3: my notes, would the Grizzlies have kept their core together

484
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Speaker 3: with their three guys obviously now breaking it up moving

485
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Speaker 3: Bain if they were in the East, Because ever, we

486
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Speaker 3: talked about like expansion coming and that means some teams

487
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Speaker 3: are going to be coming to the Eastern Conference, and

488
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Speaker 3: the Grizzlies, you know when you look at on the map, hey,

489
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Speaker 3: they could be one of those teams. Just made me laugh.

490
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Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, I don't know, probably not. They probably are,

491
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Speaker 3: Like where you are in the Eastern Conference looks a

492
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Speaker 3: lot juicier than where you are in the West, So yeah,

493
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Speaker 3: who knows. We'll see. Let's hear from you out there.

494
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Speaker 3: How do you grade it? What are your thoughts? Did

495
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Speaker 3: the Magic get fleeced? That's a popular reaction to this,

496
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Speaker 3: with how many picks they sent out a lot of

497
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Speaker 3: did the magic make a reach going for Baine with this? Yeah,

498
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Speaker 3: we have a lot of arms jokes being flown around.

499
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Speaker 3: So anyway, let's hear your thoughts. Let's pivot to the

500
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Speaker 3: grizzly side though, what do you think of them? And

501
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Speaker 3: obviously we can get integrading their side of this too.

502
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Speaker 2: Well, they had to change.

503
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Speaker 6: They moved on from the Bay Jaron Jackson junior John

504
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 6: Moranta has been together for a long time. Their defense

505
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 6: got weaker this year. They weren't playing their type of ball,

506
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Speaker 6: they weren't playing hard enough. So forty eight wins, obviously

507
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Speaker 6: it's a good number. But I do think it's smart

508
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 6: and that they needed a new direction, even if they

509
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Speaker 6: were in the Eastern Conference, to keep going forward with

510
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 6: this same trio you've been going forward for a long

511
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Speaker 6: time with.

512
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Speaker 2: I think it makes.

513
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Speaker 3: Sense mm hmmm, going forward with a long time. But

514
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Speaker 3: the problem is, like they haven't all been healthy at

515
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Speaker 3: the same time for a good chunk of this too,

516
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Speaker 3: over the last couple of years. Yeah, right, there're three guys,

517
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 3: they've Bain and Triple J. But I hear you. They

518
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Speaker 3: pivoted here. They seem to have a lot more flexibility. Yeah,

519
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 3: Like I know Windhorse is saying this is a rebuild

520
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Speaker 3: trade for the Grizzlies, and I'm interested whether you agree

521
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Speaker 3: with that or not. Or is this sort of like

522
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Speaker 3: a pivot sort of opening up the books here and

523
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Speaker 3: what you're gonna do with Triple J's extension and all that.

524
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Speaker 3: But what do you think you.

525
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Speaker 5: Think they're pivoting on a pivotal Game five? Maybe it's so,

526
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Speaker 5: I mean, definitely a downgrade to go from Bain to KCP.

527
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Speaker 5: I don't even know how Cole Anthony's going to really

528
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Speaker 5: factor in here. He's a good backup guard. So with

529
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Speaker 5: Scotti Pippen Junior, I think Cole Anthony could ended up

530
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Speaker 5: being traded. But you know changes were for Memphis. They

531
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Speaker 5: have the Jared Jackson junior extension question hanging over them,

532
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Speaker 5: and their GM postseason was basically like, we're not close

533
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Speaker 5: to winning here in the Western Conference, so they decided

534
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 5: we had our fun with the JOW, Jaron Jackson Junior

535
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Speaker 5: and Baden team. They won one playoff series over the

536
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Speaker 5: course of those guys being together. There's a lot of

537
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Speaker 5: circumstances there, but you see what happened in the playoffs.

538
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Speaker 5: They got smoked in the first round against the Thunder,

539
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Speaker 5: so they're not even close. I have to agree. I

540
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Speaker 5: think this is smart though, for the Grizzlies to get

541
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Speaker 5: some more flexibility. We'll see what they end up doing.

542
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Speaker 5: I think it's more likely that they keep Jaron Jackson

543
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Speaker 5: Junior and John Morant and now they have some flexibility

544
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Speaker 5: around those guys, not to mention all of these picks

545
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Speaker 5: which maybe they don't want to keep, and they can

546
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Speaker 5: package those picks for a player who is an upgrade

547
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Speaker 5: over now KCP. I guess they could go the blow

548
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Speaker 5: up everything sort of route, but it seems unlikely to me,

549
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Speaker 5: just because they're the only team in their city. When

550
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Speaker 5: you're the only team in your city, usually you try

551
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Speaker 5: and be good because then people stay interested. They've also

552
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Speaker 5: had a ton of success drafting guys in the mid

553
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Speaker 5: first round, so I think the Grizzlies are probably pretty

554
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Speaker 5: confident that even if these picks are eighteen to thirty, like,

555
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 5: we can find a player. Guess who we found, Desmond Baine.

556
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Speaker 5: He was the thirtieth draft picks. So I think this

557
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 5: is smart from the Grizzlies to kind of see the

558
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 5: writing on the wall, like the team we had, it

559
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 5: wasn't good enough. We tried firing Taylor Jenkins at the

560
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 5: end of the season to give ourselves a little jolt

561
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Speaker 5: in the arm. That didn't work out. Things had to change.

562
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Speaker 5: It's the second Apron Era. Teams are going to get

563
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Speaker 5: more and more bold, saying goodbye to max players who

564
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 5: aren't all Stars and all NBA guys, which obviously Desmond

565
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 5: Bain isn't in the Western Conference. Maybe he gets in

566
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Speaker 5: screaming distance in the Eastern Conference. But basically between Jared

567
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Speaker 5: Jackson Junior and Jaw taking a step back, They've got

568
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Speaker 5: two contracts on guys who are well paid and Jaw

569
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Speaker 5: isn't looking like the best deal. So getting more flexibility

570
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Speaker 5: I think is pretty smart for Memphis.

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Speaker 3: You agree with that?

572
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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, I think I said that they are

573
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Speaker 6: more flexible. They've got picks and so they've got two

574
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Speaker 6: guys as they're number one and number two, but they

575
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Speaker 6: needed to change. So they need another wing, that's for sure.

576
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Speaker 6: Jalen Wells probably go to your shooting guard spot, and

577
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Speaker 6: they need a center play with Jared Jackson Junior really well.

578
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Speaker 5: Zach Edy and j out for the season.

579
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's interesting if everybody was healthy. You're

580
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Speaker 3: looking at John Morant, KCP, Jalen Wells obviously, Jaron Jackson junior,

581
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Speaker 3: is Zach Edy if he was there, And then you

582
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Speaker 3: said Pippin Cole, Anthony Gg Jackson still there.

583
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Speaker 5: They got to resign al Dama.

584
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Speaker 3: Yes, Conchar is there. I think he'll be moved. Actually

585
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 3: Clark maybe coming back, Huff and then maybe a country

586
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 3: singer named Vince Williams Junior I think is on the roster.

587
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Speaker 3: But yeah, this is definitely this idea of like we

588
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Speaker 3: either use all this draft capital to try and get

589
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Speaker 3: more high end talent, or if ultimately this doesn't work,

590
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 3: we can pivot and you know, you would move one

591
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Speaker 3: of the other big pieces. But I'm with you, TK.

592
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Speaker 3: I think this like this to me is like, oh,

593
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Speaker 3: they're not one of those two guys are not going anywhere.

594
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Speaker 6: Now.

595
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Speaker 3: It's Jaw and Triple J and will build around them

596
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Speaker 3: new coaching staff and maybe they want they want to

597
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Speaker 3: implement a whole new style. Even they've talked about like

598
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 3: we want to be running gun more with John Morant stuff.

599
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 3: So that is it. I think, Hollanders said Memphis has

600
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Speaker 3: maximized its available assets. The Grizzlies have ten first and

601
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 3: three swaps now in their war chest, so again you

602
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 3: can use that to retool potentially around John Morant and

603
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Speaker 3: Jackson Junior.

604
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Speaker 5: So how you grading this one then? From the Grizzly side,

605
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 5: this one's an A minus for me. I think what

606
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 5: Memphis is doing is smart. They're going into a second

607
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Speaker 5: era team build, basically saying we can't have three max guys.

608
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Speaker 5: We can have two max guys and a whole bunch

609
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 5: of players who are making middle contracts that are tradable,

610
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Speaker 5: and they have picks they can attach to it if

611
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Speaker 5: they want to do it. I kind of think, well,

612
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Speaker 5: I thought the Grizzlies were a little undervalued coming into

613
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Speaker 5: this season just because I was a John Morant Jared

614
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Speaker 5: Jackson believer. Also, it does been bane believer at the time.

615
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 5: John took a step back. So obviously, if he's going

616
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Speaker 5: to be playing like he did last season, the Grizzlies

617
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 5: they are in trouble regardless. I think he'll stick around there.

618
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Speaker 5: I think he can be better, but they absolutely need

619
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Speaker 5: him to be better, and maybe playing underneath thamas Isolo

620
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 5: is the answer. Right, Like clearly there was albums with

621
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 5: Taylor Jenkins towards the end of the season. Apparently Isolo

622
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 5: just wants to be pick and roll playing with John Morant.

623
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Speaker 5: That's where John Moran it is best for sure. Jared

624
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 5: Jackson Junior took a step forward. But I think this

625
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 5: is ultimately a win win trade. Like it's funny because

626
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 5: they're making opposite bets. Holling are really nailed at the athletic.

627
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 5: The Grizzlies are saying we need to get more flexible,

628
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 5: and the Magic are saying we need to get more talent,

629
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Speaker 5: which makes them less flexible. The Magic needed more talent,

630
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 5: they needed shooting. That's why they got banged. The Grizzlies

631
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 5: needed more flexibility and their team wasn't good enough. So

632
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 5: they're taking a little bit of a step back, which

633
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 5: is why I think like this is a win win trade.

634
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 5: Both sides are getting exactly what they want.

635
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Speaker 6: I totally agree the flexibility is the important part here.

636
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 6: For the Grizzlies. I don't think you could just keep

637
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 6: on going with the same thing over and over and

638
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 6: over again. And now they have so many picks and

639
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 6: so much space because contracts are a lot of them

640
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 6: are expiring after this year. You obviously have to sign

641
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 6: Jaron Jackson junior. That is inevitable, right, They're going to

642
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 6: sign him for a monster to go.

643
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 3: With that too, right, him not making.

644
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 6: At least save some money, going from thirty five percent

645
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 6: of the cap potentially to thirty percent of the cap,

646
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Speaker 6: So yeah, every percent saving some bucks.

647
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Speaker 3: This is going to be fascinating to see if for

648
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 3: how this sets the tone for the trade market here

649
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 3: for the rest of the summer. Again, a lot of

650
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 3: comparisons obviously to the McHale Bridges Hall that the Knicks

651
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 3: did with the nets and all those draft picks, and

652
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 3: maybe even you go back to the Rudy Gobert one.

653
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 3: But do you have any take on what this does

654
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 3: now for these potential other trades we see? Obviously Kevin

655
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 3: Durant the biggest name that I know we'll get to

656
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 3: in a second year.

657
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 5: My first thought was that it's going to be a

658
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 5: lot harder to get these all stars if you're trying

659
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 5: to trade for Kevin Durant. But I actually don't think

660
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 5: that's true now that I've thought on it more. Hey,

661
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 5: I don't think Giannis is going to get traded, So

662
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 5: the biggest name is off the board. B Kevin Durant

663
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 5: is thirty seven years old with a contract waiting after

664
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 5: next season. They got to sign him to an extension.

665
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 5: It's not the same as getting Desmond Baine at twenty

666
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 5: seven with four years under the contract. Not to mention,

667
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 5: a team like the Magic probably have to overpay a

668
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 5: little for the CACP fact and also for the trying

669
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 5: to get guys in. They maybe are not the biggest

670
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 5: free agency destination though they were the biggest free agency

671
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 5: destination circa two thousand. They were trying to get Tracy

672
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 5: McGrady and Tim Duncan almost made it happen, only got

673
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 5: one of them. But I don't know. I just it's

674
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 5: gonna be different scenarios. You know, like Rudy Gobert got

675
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 5: traded for five first round picks. That didn't happen again

676
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 5: until Michale Bridges. McHale Bridges did it didn't happen again

677
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 5: until Desmond bane just got traded here. So I think

678
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 5: they're gonna be different scenarios. It's just gonna cost whatever

679
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 5: it costs for Kevin Durant, not five, I don't think, right.

680
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 6: But yeah, well I don't think Orlando really is that

681
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 6: free agency destination, like it was in two thousand. Like

682
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 6: you said, Tracy McGrady leaving Toronto, Toronto's not seen that

683
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 6: same way anymore. Tracy just didn't want to be there.

684
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 6: It's unfortunate now people want to go there. The thing

685
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 6: with Orlando, yeah, I wonder we'll see. I feel like

686
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 6: they made a good maneuver here to go for it

687
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 6: and to try it out well here with Memphis, yeah,

688
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 6: it's a it's a real we can trade for whatever now.

689
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 6: I mean, we have so many picks, so it's a

690
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 6: good move on their end. They're they're the flexible ones,

691
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 6: so they're waiting for a potential superstart to be available.

692
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 3: My only other note with the Magic, because we had

693
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 3: talked about them as like a lot as a team

694
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 3: that's got to make a move because they need a

695
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 3: guard and they need some scoring and maybe even a

696
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 3: point guard, which they didn't they didn't really get obviously.

697
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 3: Bain sort of is a point guard shooting guard, but

698
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 3: he's more of a shooting guard I think. But we

699
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 3: talked about the Blazers with Anthony Simon's right, that was

700
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 3: a popular name. Kobe White with your Chicago Bulls came

701
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 3: up a lot. Now, both those guys. You know, they're

702
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 3: not as good as players as Desmond Bine, but they

703
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 3: wouldn't cost as much to in theory, I think get

704
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 3: them if you could. And then then there was then

705
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 3: the one level that maybe is right around Bain, probably

706
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 3: even higher, more of a point guard in the calvs

707
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 3: with Darius Carlin. But feels like they were like, we're

708
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 3: not doing that. As the injury as well. I don't

709
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 3: know if that came into play, but those are like

710
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 3: three guys that sort of came to mind right away.

711
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 3: I was like, well, they're not going to Orlando now.

712
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 3: I wonder if they stay put or if they go

713
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 3: somewhere or else. I don't know if I'm missing any

714
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 3: other potential trades we talked about at the time.

715
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 5: Trey Young, Trey.

716
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 3: Young, yep, true. From the Hawks to the Magic.

717
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 5: I mean, could they have gotten Drew Holliday, you know,

718
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 5: for a little bit less probably Derek White probably would

719
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 5: cast cost at least the same as Yeah, And I

720
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 5: don't really know if the Celtics would want to be

721
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 5: trading with the Magic since they're theoretically going to be

722
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 5: competing with each other. But that is one of the

723
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 5: questions for Orlando is the opportunity cost of it, because

724
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 5: now they can't make a move if anybody else comes available, right,

725
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 5: Like they couldn't do their version of the Pascal Siakam trade. Brother,

726
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 5: They're like, oh, that guy is perfect for our team.

727
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 5: Let's kick in some late first round picks, and now

728
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 5: we got them sign him to an extension going forward.

729
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 5: That's their choice, is Bain has their choice over everybody

730
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 5: else in the league, and we'll see how it plays

731
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 5: out for all.

732
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 3: Right, let's pivot to some other news here, sort of

733
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 3: related maybe in some way to Baine being dealt to

734
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 3: the Orlando Magic. According to Sham's over the weekend, the Heat,

735
00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 3: Spurs and Rockets are Kevin Durant preferred trade destinations. People

736
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 3: across the NBA have been made aware in recent days

737
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 3: that those are the three teams Katie would commit to

738
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 3: with a long term extension. Now we talked to the

739
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 3: end of last week. Tasts a lot about hypothetical Katie

740
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 3: trades and those three teams that we just said they

741
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 3: were involved in the list that was five. But Katie's

742
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 3: can't making it sound like we want one of these

743
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 3: three now, not that the Suns have to play nice.

744
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 3: They don't have to. But then again, I don't know

745
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 3: why a trade. A team would want a trade for

746
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 3: an unhappy Kevin Durant who doesn't want to sign their

747
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 3: long term So it gets a little complicated here. But

748
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 3: what do you think?

749
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 6: Well, you know, I was going through all the teams

750
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 6: this past weekend and wondering if the Rockets want to

751
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 6: give up their young core or part of their young

752
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 6: core for Kevin Durant, who is turning thirty seven. So

753
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 6: I'm more inclined to say no, they don't. I don't

754
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 6: know about this Timberwolves trade considering you know, they're on

755
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 6: the second apron, so they can't combine salaries, aggregate salaries,

756
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 6: as everyone is saying in the NBA media world, makes

757
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 6: it difficult. And I know him and Anthony Edwards get

758
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 6: along and their buds, and Anthony Edwards loved watching Kevin

759
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 6: Durant growing up. I don't know if they want to

760
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 6: make that change. I will say the Miami heat definitely

761
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 6: makes a lot of sense. I could see them wanting

762
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 6: Kevin Durant to be their number one offensive player. Really,

763
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 6: him and Hero and bam Adebayo. He loves the warm weather.

764
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 6: It's a really good defense, and so he would improve

765
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 6: their offense. He is to be their number one offensive player.

766
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 6: And just going through the Rockets and going through the Timberwolves,

767
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 6: what are teams willing to give up? Well, the Miami

768
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 6: Heat may be the best package. Really is what it

769
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 6: comes down to is what our teams willing to give up,

770
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 6: and the Miami Heat maybe giving it up, even though

771
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 6: the names won't be spectacular. It'll be Wiggins, Jovich and

772
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 6: you know at Duncan, Robinson or whoever. But that's what

773
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 6: it all comes down to. Do the Rockets want to

774
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 6: give up the young players? Do the Timberwolves just want

775
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 6: to tear it down again back to back seasons after

776
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 6: making two conference finals.

777
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 2: And here the Miami Heat.

778
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 6: So it kind of makes more sense to me that

779
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 6: the Heat would give it a shot.

780
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 3: Well, the guys at the Athletic wrote, league sources say

781
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,720
Speaker 3: Durant prefers to play for the spurs of the Rockets,

782
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 3: but there are complicating factors with both of those negotiations

783
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 3: that make the deal look unlikely. And then in that

784
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 3: same article they did sort of revisit what was rumored

785
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 3: what back around the trade deadline, the idea of Katie

786
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 3: going to the Wolves and they sort of like rehash

787
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 3: that how it is tough and whether you know this

788
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 3: part is weird, like it sounds like to me, Katie's

789
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 3: camp has told Chops these are the teams. And I

790
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 3: didn't say Minnesota when I said that, so it feels

791
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 3: like I don't want to go up there. But again,

792
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 3: Phoenix does not have to play nice with this. They

793
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 3: can trade them anywhere. It's not like he's badly be

794
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 3: able with the no trade class, so exactly, yeah, what

795
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 3: do you think?

796
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 5: That was one of my first takeaways is that Kevin

797
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 5: Durant doesn't want to pay taxes or live where it's cold,

798
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 5: So maybe bad news for Toronto, yes, but this is

799
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 5: Katie exerting what little leverage he has, Like everybody knows

800
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 5: he's going to be traded between now in the draft.

801
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 5: Basically like you're saying, no trade clause, he has no

802
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 5: say so where he goes. So it's on Kevin Durant

803
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 5: to basically talk to these teams, the Heat, the Spurs

804
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 5: and the Rockets, say make your best pitch because I

805
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 5: will come to your team. He say, I'm putting Khalil

806
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 5: wear to the Heat. He's saying don't be stingy with

807
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 5: your picks or your young players to the Spurs and

808
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 5: the Rockets, because I will actually re sign with your

809
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 5: team rather than a team like the Timberwolves or another

810
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 5: mystery team like maybe the Clippers, though they are a

811
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 5: warm weather team, so perhaps they have a better chance

812
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 5: of keeping him around. This is all he can do, yeah, yeah, yeah,

813
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 5: really to influence at all where he's gonna go. But

814
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 5: it's on the Suns to get the best deal they

815
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 5: possibly can. And if that ends up being the Heat,

816
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 5: the Spurs of the Rockets, great, we'll see what they

817
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 5: end up valuing the most. If it's players, maybe it's

818
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 5: the Heat, I don't Maybe Khalil wear is like the

819
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 5: best player they could get. I don't know. But if

820
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 5: it's the Spurs and the Rockets, that's more like rebuild mode, right,

821
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 5: And that's not necessarily what Matt ish Bea wants to do.

822
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 5: But Kevin Durant's telling these three teams, I will make

823
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 5: it worth your while if you trade for me, right.

824
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 5: Does it play out that way? I don't know, but

825
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 5: at least he's saying I'll be around.

826
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I saw Zilla share a bunch of

827
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 3: other wild card teams, because you know, a team can

828
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 3: come out of nowhere in these weird things and suddenly

829
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,959
Speaker 3: they're making a deal for him. He was wondering teams

830
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 3: that are desperate, so Ziller said, kinks they could be desperate. Yes,

831
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 3: Philadelphia might be desperate. Okay, Denver could be desperate. The Clippers,

832
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 3: he listed them as a team that maybe is desperate,

833
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 3: and then he said the Lakers are probably not desperate,

834
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 3: but it truly interesting if they convinced themselves they were.

835
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 3: So it made me laugh Zilla's newsletter there. But this

836
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 3: feels like it is gonna happen. Like, be honest with me.

837
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 3: When you saw the trade happens over the weekend on Sunday,

838
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 3: did you think it was Kevin Durant got dealt? Like,

839
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 3: I mean, that was my immediate reaction until you're like,

840
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 3: doesn't invain what is Durant going to the Grizzlies. Oh no,

841
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 3: it doesn't mean it's going to magic, But I mean,

842
00:36:58,640 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 3: it just feels like it could happen anyway.

843
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:00,439
Speaker 5: It here.

844
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, it feels like the first time in a while

845
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 6: where we're waiting for a trade to happen, and it's

846
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 6: going to happen.

847
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 2: I don't know.

848
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 6: Nothing really jumps out to me as a trade of

849
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 6: a huge player that was destined to trade be traded

850
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 6: over the next couple of weeks, and it's sure feels

851
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 6: like it's going to happen.

852
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,919
Speaker 3: I mean, Anthony Davis that one. We were pretty.

853
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 6: Sure Anthony Davis wore that's all folks for a while,

854
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 6: you know.

855
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: Like that.

856
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're right. And he didn't get traded at the deadline.

857
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 5: It was during the summer. Pardon is a good one though,

858
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 5: I mean he quit playing for the Rockets team and

859
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 5: got traded. Yeah, yeah, also hard in getting traded to

860
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 5: the Sixers. Also hard and getting traded to the Clippers.

861
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 5: It's always the writing on the wall. He's very out there,

862
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 5: you know what, he is going to get traded. This

863
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 5: is everybody's known, this is going to happen. I think

864
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 5: this is going to happen. Draft Day, Okay, so we

865
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 5: got we got another week in rumors.

866
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 3: Okay, some of the some of the you know, plugged

867
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 3: in people are saying it's happening sooner and later. And

868
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 3: that's how long we got till then? What's that? Twenty fifth,

869
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 3: twenty six.

870
00:37:58,239 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 5: The draft is next Wednesday.

871
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 3: It's next.

872
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 5: What, No, it's Thursday, Wednesday and Thursday.

873
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 2: It's back.

874
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 6: It's a Wednesday Thursday. Fun now in the middle of

875
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 6: the week. Okay, well it.

876
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 2: Was last year.

877
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 6: Remember they televised day to second round.

878
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 5: Televised second round. That's pretty hilarious.

879
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 3: That's so silly.

880
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, is that gonna happen again?

881
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 3: Yeah?

882
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're gonna televise it. Yes, yeah, I

883
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 2: was on ESPN.

884
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 3: It's definitely gonna be on TV. Yeah, well you'd be watching,

885
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 3: probably not, but they'll be doing day two. Uh. Well,

886
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 3: do you think it's gonna happen on Draft Day like him? Sure,

887
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,959
Speaker 3: I'll except I think it's gonna happen before before, Yeah,

888
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 3: just because if there's going to in theory be picks included,

889
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 3: and those teams are going to maybe want those picks

890
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 3: in advance to know where they're going. The Suns, I

891
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 3: guess in this instance would want those picks in advance.

892
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 3: I want, but not that that couldn't happen on Draft night.

893
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 3: And you've seen a lot of times. Hey, you draft

894
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 3: for us too.

895
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 6: I want Adam Silver announcing it. I want him coming.

896
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 5: Up to the.

897
00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 3: He drops the Southern Lawyer on amazing he's a East

898
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 3: Coast lawyer, an actual lawyer. Hey, we got a trade.

899
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 5: I got about their fourth pick of the traft. We

900
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 5: gotta trade. He should not allow Kevin Durant trade to

901
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 5: go down during the finals. Kevin Durant is too big

902
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 5: of a name to be traded during the finals.

903
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 3: Desmond Bane was okay to you.

904
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 5: One hundred percent. Yes. If you say Desmond Bain and

905
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 5: Kentavious Caldwell Pope were traded and you're out at a pool,

906
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:22,919
Speaker 5: people are gonna say who.

907
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 3: If you say Kevin Durantz traded, people go, what Kevin Durant?

908
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 3: The finals are?

909
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 5: Yeah? Back, No, the Finals aren't on. We didn't play

910
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 5: on Father's Day for some reason.

911
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 3: Hey, Game five Tonights should have played last night. Let's

912
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 3: stick with the Rockets here. Some other news. Steven Adams

913
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 3: will be returning to the Rockets for next season and beyond,

914
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 3: as the Vets center agreed to a new three year,

915
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 3: thirty nine million dollar contract extension over the weekend that'll

916
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 3: keephim there in Houston and takes him off the free

917
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 3: agent market. So it's a name that had come up

918
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 3: when we were talking about top centers on the free

919
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 3: agency market. You know who's like, obviously the Lakers have

920
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 3: wanted a center. A couple other teams. We talked with

921
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 3: the Grizzlies maybe needing a center with the ed injury,

922
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 3: Steven Adams staying in Houston.

923
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 6: You're you gonna add a good price, you know, thirteen

924
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 6: for thirty nine. Not a huge pay raise actually thinking

925
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 6: about it, looking at his numbers, which were twelve point

926
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 6: six this season, and I'm surprised at how young Steven had. Yeah,

927
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 6: he was waiting for that, right because it feels like

928
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 6: we've been talking about him for a long time because

929
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 6: he came out of the draft and was pivotal for

930
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,439
Speaker 6: okay see immediately basically in twenty thirteen. He's only thirty

931
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 6: two coming up this year, so it's a good sign

932
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 6: for three years, it feels like it. Even though he

933
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 6: missed a year because of injury, it feels like he'll

934
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 6: be he'll be pretty tough.

935
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 3: This feels like his last deal, like in our heads

936
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 3: like he's like thirty seven, thirty eight with that's it. It

937
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 3: feels like that to me, like, oh man, good for him,

938
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 3: got his final payday here, but he's only thirty two.

939
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's still pretty good.

940
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 3: When he plays.

941
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 5: He played with Derek Fisher and Kendrick Perkins on the Thunder.

942
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 5: That's how old this guy is. But also, yeah, yeah,

943
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 5: he makes us very old. I thought Steven Adams was

944
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 5: just a veteran leadership guy for the Rockets coming off

945
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 5: an injury. He didn't play very much to start the

946
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 5: season at all, like ten minutes per game, and then

947
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 5: due to other injuries for the Rockets, people picking up

948
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 5: various maladies, he kind of became important to them during

949
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 5: the regular season. Then he was awesome in the playoffs

950
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 5: against the Golden State Warriors. Twenty three offensive rebounds in

951
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 5: seven games. He had seventeen points, five boards in that

952
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 5: big game six win against the Warriors. He still got

953
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 5: it a little bit like he's gonna be able to

954
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 5: offensive rebound, you know about that, that's guaranteed. You know,

955
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 5: he's gonna be able to set screens. He's not gonna

956
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 5: get smaller as he gets older, and you know, maybe

957
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 5: he's not doing much by the time he's thirty five

958
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 5: years old at the end of this contract, but they'll

959
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 5: value having him around as a good guy who makes

960
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 5: everybody laugh and who understands the professional aspects of the game.

961
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 5: So cool for Steven Adams.

962
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're right about like the Rockets were just

963
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 3: better when he was on the floor. Started when he

964
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 3: was in the regular season, we started to get more

965
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 3: time and then obviously it like translated into the playoffs

966
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 3: against the Warriors. He was a plus forty four with

967
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 3: the big key we on the court there and they

968
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 3: were like a minus forty four when he wasn't out there.

969
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 3: So like, he's still good, he's still a positive player.

970
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 3: And yeah, this is not a crazy contract. The three

971
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 3: years basically forty million, So they make quick work on

972
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,919
Speaker 3: this deal. And now they have until June twenty ninth

973
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 3: to make a decision on Fred van Vliet and his

974
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 3: forty four point nine million dollar team option. There's a

975
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 3: mutual interest for a reunion between these, you know, the

976
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 3: player and the team. Sounds like Fansleet's going to stay there,

977
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 3: just waiting to see what it will be for. But

978
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 3: they have until a little bit to make that decision.

979
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 3: Some other news, the Knicks still looking for a coach.

980
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 3: They are planning to meet with former Kings coach Mike

981
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 3: Brown and former Grizzlies coach Taylor Jenkins this week for

982
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 3: their head coaching job. As of now, they are considered

983
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 3: those two the leading candidates to replace Tom Thibodeau, who

984
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 3: the Knicks fired on June third, shortly after that first

985
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 3: East Finals appearance in twenty five years. And then they

986
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 3: called every single employed coach and asked if they would

987
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 3: be interested in coming to New York. Now, apparently the Mavericks,

988
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 3: Jason Kid and the Schruggle Bulls, but Billy Donovan are

989
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 3: two currently employed coaches that New York might circle back

990
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 3: to in the coming weeks. Is what I saw, James

991
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 3: Edwards the third right.

992
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 5: Billy Donovan getting an extension, though.

993
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 3: Yes I did. This is the new breaking news, so

994
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 3: he's earned it.

995
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 5: He earned it.

996
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 3: Unbelievable. Yeah, what nude photos does he have of the

997
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 3: front office or ownership? But anyway, Taylor Jenkins, Mike Brown,

998
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 3: your reaction to them being the front runners.

999
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 5: Here, Look, the Necks are casting a wide net and

1000
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 5: they just went to a bunch of places where it

1001
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 5: said no fishing first. So this is fine. I mean,

1002
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 5: they're going after guys who everybody assumed they would be

1003
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 5: talking to, kind of except for Michael Malone. I think

1004
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 5: is kind of interesting that maybe he's not in the

1005
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 5: mix here, but definitely a Tom Thibodeaux analog. I would

1006
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 5: say they're pros to both. Mike Brown has been a

1007
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 5: successful defensive coach when he was coaching Lebron James with

1008
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 5: the Cleveland Cavaliers. He was a successful offensive coach when

1009
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 5: he was coaching the Kings, though they never did anything

1010
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 5: besides win three first round playoff games. He's more experienced

1011
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 5: as a coach, won titles with the Warriors, so he's

1012
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 5: got some credit. I believe Taylor Jenkins kind of the same.

1013
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 5: He's really good at experimenting with lineups. We know how

1014
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 5: many injuries the Grizzlies had over the past few seasons.

1015
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 5: They never took a step back when those guys went down,

1016
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 5: except for the year that everybody went down. The development

1017
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 5: of young players, I think is something that Taylor Jenkins

1018
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 5: brings to the table as well. Desmond Bain got great

1019
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 5: and that's not including guys like Aldama Conchar Scottie Pippen

1020
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 5: junior like who became real NBA players after kind of

1021
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 5: becoming scrap he fines. I think that's something that the

1022
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 5: Knicks were missing out on. So you can see the

1023
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 5: two reasons that the Knicks would be interested in both

1024
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 5: of these guys. They're like, we got a veteran who's

1025
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 5: good and can maybe juice up our offense. He's well respected,

1026
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 5: and Mike Brown. And we've got maybe a more experimental

1027
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,919
Speaker 5: guy in Taylor Jenkins who's able to do the things

1028
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 5: that Tibbs did it in missing, mixing with your lineups

1029
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 5: and getting the best out of your young players. So

1030
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 5: surely they'll end up hiring Rick Runson. But it's not.

1031
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 2: I'm kidding.

1032
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 5: They're doing all right. They're just they're the only team

1033
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 5: with and with an opening right now, so they can

1034
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 5: talk to whoever they want to.

1035
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, the only one looking for a coach.

1036
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 6: It's a good point, and maybe that's why we're hearing

1037
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 6: about every single one, also because it is New York

1038
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 6: and everybody wants to write about every single one. Because

1039
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 6: have we heard this many coaches being interviewed by or pursued.

1040
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 3: They were denied interview requests.

1041
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,919
Speaker 6: Yeah, but the Jason Kidd situation, that's not dead yet.

1042
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 6: In my opinion, I think Jay Kidd has had a

1043
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 6: bit of a tough time this season and he could

1044
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 6: want out.

1045
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 3: And he could be using this as leverage for his

1046
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 3: next contract exception too, sure what some people think.

1047
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 6: Sure, and he will probably enjoy the next experience even

1048
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 6: more even though it is New York, because it's been

1049
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 6: it's been a tough one for Jason Kidd, so that

1050
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 6: one was not dead.

1051
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 3: Uh. The Mike Brown like name obviously being included here

1052
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 3: makes sense. I own I could see it working. I

1053
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 3: think he'd be fun with the New York media for sure,

1054
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 3: because I think you have to remember, with whoever does

1055
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 3: take this head coaching job, you're basically the voice piece

1056
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 3: for that franchise because Leon Rose doesn't talk to anybody does, Like,

1057
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 3: he never does an interview, never does a press conference,

1058
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 3: so like it's everything's gonna be going through you. Like

1059
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 3: Brown seems to have a pretty uh you know, fun

1060
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 3: attitude with the media or like good relationship is funny.

1061
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that's why you're picking him, but he's

1062
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 3: a good coach too. The best jokes that would be

1063
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 3: high on the list of qualifications, just like remind reminded

1064
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 3: of Like, yeah, Leon Rose never talks here, so he

1065
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 3: still hasn't talked after firing tubes. No, No, I guess

1066
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 3: he's like, well, anything I say is just gonna be

1067
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 3: like flipped around and pulled apart. So just don't say anything.

1068
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 3: It's a little odd though, all right, So we'll keep

1069
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 3: your eye on that.

1070
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: All right.

1071
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 3: Let's get to Game five the NBA Finals, that is tonight,

1072
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 3: pivotal game. We're back in okase. Instead of like going

1073
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 3: through things to watch for and X factors, like we've

1074
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 3: done this and just like drove it into the ground

1075
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 3: at this point, I tho that'd be fun to ask

1076
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 3: you guys, what's one stat so far through four games

1077
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 3: that you think best explains and where we're at or

1078
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 3: maybe where we're going here in this best of three

1079
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 3: now finals TK you want to get started.

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00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 5: Twenty to nineteen. Okay, you know what it is? No

1081
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 5: clutch points scored this series. Indiana is up one. Literally,

1082
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 5: Tyrese Haliburton's jumper in Game one is the difference in

1083
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 5: this series. It would be three to one thunder had

1084
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 5: Tyrese not that knocked that one down. Indiana's six or

1085
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 5: fifteen from the field during clutch games here Oklahoma City

1086
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 5: five for thirteen and that's why Indiana is up two

1087
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 5: to one. In these clutch games, you dig a little

1088
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 5: deeper four to one offensive rebounding advantage for the Pacers

1089
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 5: in the clutch. Those are the two that Pascal Siakam

1090
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 5: grabbed in Game one when the Thunder went small. That's

1091
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 5: how close this series has been between these two awesome teams.

1092
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 5: This is why we've had such a great series thus

1093
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 5: far two to two. Outside of Game two, every game

1094
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 5: has felt like it could go either way. The Pacers

1095
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,439
Speaker 5: outplayed the Thunder in the clutch during the first two

1096
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 5: or durings games one to three in this series, and

1097
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 5: then Shake just Alexander took over fifteen in the fourth

1098
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 5: in Game four. Couple that with the Thunder defense and

1099
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 5: they were able to pull one out. If it gets

1100
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 5: down to the clutch again, Shay's gonna have to be

1101
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 5: just as good as he was in Game four, because

1102
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 5: his Game one in three performance left a little bit

1103
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 5: to be desired. Meanwhile, the Pacers feel so comfortable in

1104
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 5: these clutch games up until Game four, like they feel

1105
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 5: no pressure. I'm sure when they're down at any point

1106
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 5: when it gets to be clutch time five points five

1107
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 5: or five minutes or less, they feel no fear because

1108
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 5: they've been playing in those situations all season or I

1109
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 5: mean all season long. BEFO, We're being honest. At least

1110
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 5: since the start of January. First we got the Haliburton

1111
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 5: four point game winner, we got Obi Topping going nuts.

1112
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 5: They've done it all year and they've been one point

1113
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 5: better than the Thunder in the clutch so far, and

1114
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 5: that's why they have a chance to still win this series.

1115
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 5: They got to win one more game in Oklahoma City

1116
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 5: to pull it off. Basically, it's a.

1117
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 3: Good one twenty to nineteen.

1118
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 6: What a stat you're going with, Well, the Pacers have

1119
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 6: made fourteen more threes than the Thunder and it kind

1120
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 6: of reminds me of the twenty twenty three NBA Finals

1121
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 6: win the Heat made fifteen more threes than the Nuggets

1122
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 6: and still lost. And then you know, returned to last

1123
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 6: year when the Celtics were splashing threes on the MAVs

1124
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 6: and won that series. But this feels like the Thunder

1125
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 6: could be that Nuggets team that doesn't need to hit

1126
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 6: threes all the time but still come out victorious. As

1127
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 6: you said that, Yeah, Indiana's got to win one in Oka.

1128
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 6: See I got this stat from law Murray as well.

1129
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 6: For the twenty fourth time here in NBA history, we

1130
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 6: have a two two NBA Finals after both teams won

1131
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 6: and lost a game on each team's floor. In seventeen

1132
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 6: of the twenty three previous series, the winner of the

1133
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 6: game five went on to win the championship. It sounds

1134
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 6: like it's pivotal, No, highly pivotal. Dang, Yeah, seventeen of

1135
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 6: the twenty three, So yeah, this is big.

1136
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 3: My number I'm gonna go with is thirty five because

1137
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 3: that's how many free throw attempts Jalen Williams has had

1138
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 3: here in this series, and okay see, has shot more

1139
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 3: free throws in total than Indiana won twenty five to

1140
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 3: one oh two. So that's a twenty three you know,

1141
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 3: difference there between the two teams at the free throw line,

1142
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,479
Speaker 3: which again was something we came in and thought maybe

1143
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 3: the Pacers will actually win that because that's something okay see,

1144
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 3: they don't through the regular season like they were low

1145
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 3: in those and that's they give up a lot of

1146
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:10,919
Speaker 3: free throws and they don't get there all that much

1147
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 3: outside of their main guy SGA thirty six free throws,

1148
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 3: but that's right in line with his averages. But what

1149
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 3: Jalen Williams is doing that's impressive to me and really

1150
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 3: keeping a minute in game four, we talked about that

1151
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 3: head down go at the rim eleven for eleven at

1152
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 3: the line, Tak, I think you said. It was probably

1153
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 3: from Low Murray who pointed out, like, this guy has

1154
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 3: never attempted Jallen Williams double digit free throw attempts in

1155
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 3: back to back games. He didn't do it in college,

1156
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,280
Speaker 3: didn't do it in re in his pro career until

1157
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 3: games three and four of the Finals. So yeah, I

1158
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 3: just think like he Jalen Williams has taken on more

1159
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 3: of a starter play starter role as the Finals has

1160
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 3: gone on here and SGA has gone the opposite way,

1161
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 3: and it's obviously worked out, especially having a little left

1162
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 3: in the tank for game four, So I think that's

1163
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 3: going to continue here. And it's like they only have

1164
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 3: one Ni Smith, and yeah, they're fine with them hard

1165
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 3: on SGA, but like Smith we've talked about, can get

1166
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 3: in foul trouble, especially when you put the pressure on him.

1167
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 3: So I'm just watching that in game five. That was

1168
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 3: one of my weird prop bets too. He has yet

1169
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 3: to hit the the over Jalen Williams. What was it

1170
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 3: wasn't it thirty? I think it was twenty nine? And

1171
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 3: a half. He had to hit thirty points in one

1172
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,959
Speaker 3: of these games, which I thought he would. Maybe it's tonight,

1173
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 3: and maybe it's one of these final three games. But

1174
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 3: he's been just like really good, slowly like getting going,

1175
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 3: and this series went on.

1176
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 6: Everybody loves talking about Shay the free throw merchant, but

1177
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 6: Jalen Williams and Shay basically have the same free gears

1178
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 6: attempted this series. Thirty six, Shay leads and Jalen went

1179
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 6: right behind him at thirty five. Yeah, he's been great, all.

1180
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 3: Right, So Game five tonight, Okay, see you think takes

1181
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 3: us at homes praying for another close one.

1182
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 5: That's all I care about it.

1183
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, we just don't want that blowout that

1184
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 3: everyone's terrified is at one point coming. Just care for

1185
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 3: a close game. We're going to be back here tomorrow

1186
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 3: to talk about Game five of the NBA Finals. I

1187
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 3: appreciate you joining us. Hit the light buttons, subscribe five

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1189
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Speaker 5: You heard it here first, have a great time, turn up.

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Speaker 5: Love you guys awesome.

1191
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 6: Thanks for joining us, and remember how'd you guys enjoy

1192
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 6: your happy Father's day.

1193
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,240
Speaker 2: It was happy, It was happy.

1194
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 3: Did you do anything special or or you know, get

1195
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 3: anything done for you?

1196
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 6: And washed, ried, and folded three loads of laundry last

1197
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:25,919
Speaker 6: name another dad who did that? Three loads, real real

1198
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 6: size loads to big, real size loads.

1199
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, not these petty ones.

1200
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Speaker 3: Did you get up to anything?

1201
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 5: I went to a supermercando and some delicious Mexican foods

1202
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 5: and then prepared them for my family these guys. Was awesome.

1203
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go, JD. What about yourself? I mean,

1204
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 3: you were just dealing with this board over here.

1205
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, just working, doing dad stuff, doing dad stuff.

1206
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 3: You're the dad of this podcast. All right, We will

1207
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 3: see you guys tomorrow.

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