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Speaker 2: Jason Timph podcast as Hoops Tonight. You know it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: Schedules can matter. NFL will release their schedule on Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: and I think it's a big deal. We all know

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Speaker 2: who everybody plays already, but it's the order. For instance,

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Speaker 2: playing in Denver high altitude in September when you're coming

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Speaker 2: out of camp. His oha has been tough. Playing Andy

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Speaker 2: Reid in September tough. Some of the defensive coaches experiment

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Speaker 2: more offensively early. Belichick never had a great September so

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Speaker 2: and also back to back to back tough games, road games.

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Speaker 2: You know, Miami would prefer to never go into Buffalo

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Speaker 2: with two as a quarterback in December and January. They'd

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Speaker 2: love to get that game out. And you know September

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Speaker 2: October when the weather's great, so there are absolute you know,

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Speaker 2: Dome teams. They don't want to play December January games

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Speaker 2: up north. When the league had a gap between games

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Speaker 2: two and three, Denver Minnesota, and it hurts Minnesota's momentum,

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Speaker 2: and it gives Denver time to prepare. You get that

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Speaker 2: extra film session or three. It's a totally different team.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there was they were Denver was so bad defensively,

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Speaker 2: so lethargic. Now it's almost like Denver saying, let ant

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Speaker 2: get his he's gonna get forty. We're not gonna stop him,

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Speaker 2: and let's shut down the other dudes. But I mean,

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Speaker 2: it does feel like to me that that time, an

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Minnesota came out with pretty bad energy in Game three,

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Speaker 1: came out with low energy. The meanwhile, for three consecutive days,

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Speaker 1: And I thought they got a little caught off guard

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Speaker 1: And on that play, Nikola Jokic just rocked him with

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Speaker 1: It's like, it's not like Jamal hasn't seen a lengthy

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Speaker 1: No, absolutely, and like it really comes down to this.

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Speaker 1: like there's another conversation to be had. I mean, you

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Speaker 2: So I will say this. I don't know why the

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Speaker 2: he has some Jordan qualities. And that's okay. Mahomes you

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Speaker 2: He makes it look so easy and gets past people

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Speaker 2: I'm watching ant and even against good offenders. I mean

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Speaker 2: They're just you can't. There's too many great players, too

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Speaker 2: at home in the playoffs against a weak, much weaker conference.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to argue they're elite or special. What they

425
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 2: are is very good. I said, I think they don't

426
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 2: have a Shack a Kobe and mj in their prime,

427
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,120
Speaker 2: not even an ant Is it possible? They have two

428
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,919
Speaker 2: Scottie Pippins and you're like, they're good enough to win

429
00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:01,440
Speaker 2: a title, but they need some breaks because I keep

430
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:05,400
Speaker 2: watching them and just if they're not hitting threes, they

431
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 2: get bad fast, like you're like, wow, this is They're

432
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 2: just and they're almost unserious, like they're just the energy

433
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 2: is terrible. Is it possible we've overvalued them because it's

434
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,239
Speaker 2: a big brand. We like Tatum, it's a you know,

435
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 2: you have two players, they do point differential regular season,

436
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 2: they're outstanding. You can't be five hundred at home over

437
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 2: three years against the East and tell me you're elite.

438
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 2: That it would be different, Jason if they had a title.

439
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 2: And then you kind of pull the governor down like

440
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,439
Speaker 2: we've seen this of the Shack Kobe teams, it's like

441
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 2: they're great, or Kad and the Warriors. Then you pull

442
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 2: it down, like, let's just get through the regular season.

443
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:48,120
Speaker 2: What is Boston elite or in my contention, they're very

444
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 2: good in an era of.

445
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Speaker 1: Good, they're very good. I mean, coming into the season,

446
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 1: you and I were on the same page on this,

447
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 1: like they're kind of on the same level as Denver,

448
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 1: And then when we did our playoff review, we were like,

449
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:00,880
Speaker 1: they're kind of on the same level Denver. Yet they

450
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 1: had like I can't remember exactly what the Nuggets finished with,

451
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: but they were a mid fifties team and the Celtics

452
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 1: were a mid sixties team in terms of wins, right, So,

453
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 1: like they've won sixty something games this year, but they're

454
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,400
Speaker 1: not like a traditional sixty win powerhouse because the Eastern

455
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 1: Conference is so weak. And again, it's really this simple.

456
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 1: You play fifty two games every single season against your

457
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 1: own conference, right, you play thirty against the other conference.

458
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:26,959
Speaker 1: So like, and all you have to do is go

459
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: look at the go look at the ESPN standings, and

460
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 1: go look at the record for Boston against the Western Conference.

461
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: They were just another team against the Western Conference. I

462
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,120
Speaker 1: think if Boston was in the West, they'd be near

463
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Speaker 1: the top, but they would not have separated themselves the

464
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Speaker 1: way that they did against the way that they did

465
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Speaker 1: against the rest of the East. Now, one of the

466
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:50,360
Speaker 1: things with Boston, like Boston has nowhere near the defensive

467
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 1: personnel that Minnesota does so like and that's the scary

468
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 1: thing with what Denver's doing right now is you could

469
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 1: not build a better team to guard the Denver Nuts

470
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: than what they have, and Denver has sliced and diced

471
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,479
Speaker 1: them two games in a row. Now, so like Denver's

472
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: gonna score on Boston. But what Boston has that Minnesota

473
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: doesn't is they have a ton of offensive skill. All

474
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: five of their guys in the starting line that can shoot,

475
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 1: everyone can dribble, and so they do have the ability

476
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: to kind of space Denver out and have some success there.

477
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: I think Boston presents some challenges for Denver, but I

478
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 1: would pick Denver to beat them. And so to put

479
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 1: it simply, they're just another team in the top tier,

480
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: whereas if you looked at the standings, you would view

481
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 1: them as having separated. And really it does come down

482
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 1: to Tatum for me, Like Tatum, in my opinion, if

483
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 1: somewhere around the seventh to tenth best player in the league.

484
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: And it's just really difficult to win the championship in

485
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Speaker 1: NBA history if you don't have one of the top

486
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Speaker 1: guys who won it last year. Jokic, best player in

487
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 1: the world who want it before that, Steph top three

488
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:50,959
Speaker 1: player in the world who wanted before that, Giannis, top

489
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: three player in the world who wanted it before that, Lebron,

490
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 1: Whi Kadie and Steph Lebron, Like, you have to go

491
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 1: all the way back to twenty fourteen with a crazy

492
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: fluky Furs team that had magical ball movement and magical

493
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: everything to find a team that could win a title

494
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 1: without a bona fide alpha dog, top five superstar all

495
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 1: time great and like as much as I like Jason

496
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 1: Tatum and he's a super nice guy. He had another

497
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: really insightful quote about media and how much he appreciates

498
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: that media has given to the game, and like, super

499
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: great guy, great leader of a team, but he's just

500
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 1: not as good as the top guys. It's literally that simple.

501
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and I think this is the first year

502
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 2: I've watched Anthony Davis this year and thought he's a one.

503
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 2: I always thought he was the best two in Lee history.

504
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 2: I thought it was Pippin Forever and then Anthony. And

505
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 2: we've had a few of these like ants A one.

506
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 2: You can just see it. He the trash talk, the intensity, everything.

507
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 2: You don't have to argue about that. Tatum is viewed

508
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 2: as an absolute one. What of like Anthony Davis, He's

509
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 2: he's the best two in the league. Because I really

510
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 2: thought this year, I'm like, got Anthony's this. This is

511
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 2: a healthy, dominant defender, mostly good offensively, plays through pain,

512
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 2: literally changes changes everything, and it can allow Lebron to

513
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 2: be a bad defender and cheat. He allows the team

514
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 2: to cheat. And I look at Tatum and I'm like,

515
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 2: it's not a knock. I know he makes all NBA,

516
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 2: but it's very hard to find an all times. Basketball

517
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 2: is a trash talking store for it's an energy juice sport.

518
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 2: Most guys that are like top five in the league,

519
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 2: you know, now Kawhi doesn't talk to anybody, but I

520
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 2: mean most of them have a little bit of a chip,

521
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 2: a little bit of they almost like play angry. And

522
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: Tatum doesn't have that. He's got almost like a guy personality,

523
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 2: you know, like he lets the game come to him. He,

524
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 2: you know, can always break guys down. When I've watched

525
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 2: him live three times, he always gets his shot. But

526
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 2: it's like he plays like a two, but we've annoyted

527
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 2: him to a one. And I know that sounds ridiculous,

528
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 2: but I don't know. When I watch him play. When

529
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 2: you say something for five straight years, it's probably true.

530
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 2: For five straight years we've said Jalen Brown sometimes acts

531
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 2: like he wants the ball more than Jason. Okay, we're

532
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 2: on the fifth year of that. Like that's because it

533
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 2: feels true, right, Am I wrong? Is he a low

534
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 2: end one or is he a great two? Not that

535
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 2: it matters, but I watch him, and I think his

536
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 2: body language, his mentality, how he plays his aggressiveness, he

537
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: feels like a great two.

538
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 1: You start when you're one of those guys, when you're

539
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: one of the true bona fide, top tier superstars in

540
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: the league and you're in your mid to late twenties,

541
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: you put together awesome playoff performance after awesome playoff performance,

542
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: Like it's there is a level of expectation that comes

543
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: from that. And I think Tatum's twenty six now and

544
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: he's played what eight playoff games against against pretty inferior competition,

545
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: and he shot below forty five percent seven of the

546
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: eight game. Crazy, like his best game is a fifty

547
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: percent night. So like like you'd think that there'd be

548
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: a fourteen for twenty game in there somewhere right, Like

549
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: like it's it's it's one of those things where like

550
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: and it really does come down to the first step

551
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: for me, He's he's a guy that doesn't have a

552
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: great first step and is an inconsistent jump shooter. Like

553
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: those two things are going to render you. Like he

554
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: does a lot. He's a very good defensive player. He's

555
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: a much better playmaker than most of the forward his

556
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: forward peers that he has in the league. He's a

557
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: very good player. I want to be clear, Like top seven,

558
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: top ten in the league is nothing to like, you know,

559
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: to dumb your nose at. But at the same time,

560
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: like there's levels to this, and when you get to

561
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: those top guys in the league, it's like it's like,

562
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: how is it that thirty nine year old Lebron James

563
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: was having a monumentally more a productive offensive playoff run

564
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: than you against inferior competition every single night, Like it's

565
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: like it really is bizarre, but like at the same

566
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: and here's the other thing too. What really concerns me

567
00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: is Boston has no hierarchy, and so because Tatum is

568
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: not this guy that can really command games offensively every

569
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: single night, it's like, now Jalen Brown wants the rains,

570
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: Now Derek White wants the reins, Like Drew Holliday started

571
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: Game three against Cleveland being super aggressive out the gates

572
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: and looking for a shot, and so like, really, there's

573
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: it's actually kind of what leads to some of Boston's

574
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: bad rhythm games where they look really bad, is like

575
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: everyone's kind of yanking at the rains and no one

576
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: can get going right, and it's like, that's just not

577
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: what it's like on these other teams. It's like, if

578
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: you watch the Cavs, who's running the offense for the

579
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: majority of the game, Donovan Mitchell. If you watch the Knicks,

580
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: who's running the offense the majority of the game, Jalen Brunton,

581
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: Tyre's Halliburton, It's Nicole jokicch and Jamal Murray, it's Anthony Edwards,

582
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: it's Luka Dancis, it's Shay Gil just Alexander. In Boston,

583
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: it's like it's all just vibes. It's like whoever wants

584
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: to take control can take control and like and that

585
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: that's the thing is like, no, like this, if this

586
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: team's gonna get to the Promised Land, Jason, like, you've

587
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: got to really take control of this thing, because you

588
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: it's all great against Cleveland, and it's all great against

589
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: against Miami without Jimmy Butler, but you you've got a

590
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: little bit of a tougher team in the next round,

591
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: and then you're going to walk into it most likely

592
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: a Denver team in the NBA Finals that's gonna want

593
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: to snatch your heart the way that they're doing to

594
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: Carl Towns and all these other guys from Minnesota. And

595
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: so it's gonna get harder and they need more out

596
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: of him, and he just hasn't been able to get

597
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: there consistently well.

598
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,719
Speaker 2: And I think I think if you look at what

599
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 2: Brad Stevens did the construction of the team, Porzingis was

600
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: off a very good offensive year. Drew Holiday was a

601
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 2: better offensive player than Marcus Smart. To me, Brad Stevens

602
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 2: is telling you they didn't move off Al Hertford, who

603
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 2: can have these weird offensive nights like I'm watching Brad Stevens,

604
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 2: who was a really smart guy, and I'm like he

605
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: wanted more offense, Like he clearly, you know, if you

606
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: go look at Kobe was getting people that didn't threatened

607
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: to take shots against Kobe or mh or right, you

608
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 2: don't want to take the ball to even Jalen Brunson's hands, Like,

609
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 2: don't don't take the ball to his hands too much

610
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 2: with Luca although his youth ball you said, Drake is

611
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 2: too high, but it kind of looks like Brad Stevens said,

612
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 2: I'd like to get better scoring in the front court,

613
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 2: like a better offensive player than Marcus Smart. Like he

614
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 2: was just adding offensive chips. That's okay, but it's a

615
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 2: lot of times if you have the guy, it's not

616
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 2: about that. It's about it adding guy who can take

617
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 2: off some of his defensive pressure, some size at the rim.

618
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 2: You know, if you go look at what they added

619
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: the Lebron, they didn't get Kevin Love to take the

620
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 2: ball out of his hand. Basically it was battye a Allen.

621
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 2: It was just other people that could augment the game

622
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 2: but not take it over. I look at them and

623
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 2: I'm like, they're you know, when he was healthy, Porzeis

624
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 2: would have twenty eight point nights and you're like, oh,

625
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 2: this feels like his team tonight, Like this is his team.

626
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: So again that's viewed as a criticism. But I you know,

627
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: if you watch how a team is run, they'll tell

628
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: you what they are. I always say this, when you

629
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 2: watch a football game and you watch what the team

630
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 2: does in the first two series, they're telling you, this

631
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: is what we think we can do. Because you want

632
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 2: to get ahead. If you lead in an NFL game,

633
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 2: you take the lead, you win, like sixty five percent

634
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: of the time, are telling you this is what the

635
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 2: film says, we can do this. They can't stop this.

636
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: There are times when I watch the Celtics and I'm

637
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 2: watching the construction of them, and again I'm just I'm spitballing.

638
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 2: But there are times I watch them and they're like,

639
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 2: they're telling me they have reservations. Whether Jason can take

640
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 2: a series over I mean, Jokic, it's established and already

641
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 2: it's absolutely established. Donovan Mitchell can be hot and cold.

642
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: But jesus, I'm gonna tell you something. I said this

643
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 2: the other night. Jalen Brunson gets more consistent. He's not

644
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: as athletic as Tatum. Jalen Brunson gets great looks. He

645
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 2: gets great shots.

646
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: First, I don't know how he does it either, great shots.

647
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: So anyway, yeah, it'll be viewed as a criticism, but

648
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 2: I think it's reality. Okay, I want to do this topic.

649
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 2: So I saw this on the internet, and I apologize

650
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 2: for not giving credit. But somebody said, everybody starts somewhere.

651
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: Is JJ Reddick supposed to go to the G League?

652
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 2: You know a lot of these guys just don't want

653
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: to coach college the NIL. They just don't want to

654
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: deal with limitations NCAA. Is JJ Reddick? Is he a

655
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 2: bad idea for the Lakers? I mean, I think Boudenholzer

656
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 2: would have taken the Lakers job and Lebron would have

657
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: bought in. They couldn't get him out of town fast

658
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 2: enough and he had a title in Milwaukee. Jannis wasn't

659
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: a fan. Is JJ Reddick a terrible choice? Or are

660
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 2: we over overstepping that that everybody starts somewhere? Where's he

661
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 2: going to start? He's rich, He's not going to the

662
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: G League, not taking that job. Jason Kidd first experiment

663
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 2: not good. Now he's established himself. I mean, what is

664
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 2: your take of JJ Reddick, who people are getting gobbled

665
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 2: up could be head of the class now for the Lakers.

666
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the experience thing doesn't matter as much to

667
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: me for a couple of reasons. One, it's the classic

668
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: like corporate ideology, where like you're constantly towing the line

669
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: between rewarding experience versus rewarding talent, and like there's always

670
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: a fine line between like, oh, well, this guy's been

671
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: doing it for a ears, but it's like, yeah, but

672
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: he's the mediocre Because that's the other question here. This guy,

673
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: if JJ happens to have the talent for it, if

674
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: he happens to have the basketball like you or whatever

675
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: for it, then by all means make the move. And

676
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: so much of that depends on how he's acting behind

677
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: the scenes in the interviews, if they go through an

678
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: interview process. But the second piece of it is you

679
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: can counteract a lot of the lack of inexperience or

680
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: a lack of experience with just putting experienced head coaches

681
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: on his staff. So you can address that by just

682
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: giving him a really good assistant coaching staff. As far

683
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Speaker 1: as I'm concerned with JJ, Reddick, Like, when it comes

684
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: to the Lakers, what I'm really looking for is somebody

685
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: that holds players accountable because I look at them as

686
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: a defensive minded team anchored by two big athletic forwards

687
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: and Lebron James and Anthony Davis. Just look at the

688
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: around the league. When the Lakers won, they won when

689
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: they defended. You know, that was always their their bread

690
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: and butter. They made it to the Western Conference Finals

691
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: last year as a defensive minded team. They lost in

692
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 1: the first round this year as an offensive minded team.

693
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: Going back to twenty twenty, they won when they were

694
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: a defensive minded team. So I'm really interested in somebody

695
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,760
Speaker 1: that's going to hold them accountable. And I don't really

696
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: know if JJ's willing to do that with Lebron. That's

697
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: going to be something that is going to have to

698
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: be flushed out in the interview process. But I'm not

699
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: concerned about the experience simply because if JJ's got the talent,

700
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: he's got the talent, and they're going to anchor him

701
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: with experienced NBA coaches that will help him navigate the

702
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: eighty two game regular season, And honestly, like it's really

703
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 1: just going to be about like a collaborative effort between

704
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: Lebron James and JJ Reddick to kind of identify what

705
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: the strengths and weaknesses of the roster are and go

706
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: from there. It's really hard, honestly, Colin, I wonder what

707
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: it's like for you cover in the NFL too, Like

708
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: it's really difficult with coaches, especially new coaches. We're not

709
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: there for the interviews. Like with a player, I can

710
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: go look at tape and I can get a really

711
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: good feel for what he's good and bad at. But

712
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: like with JJ, it's like, well, what's his philosophy going

713
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: to be? What are his core his core principles that

714
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: he's going to be the team on, Like what is

715
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: is he going to continue the five out offense they

716
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: were running out of dar with Darvin Hamm Are they

717
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: going to run something different? Are they going to do

718
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 1: something different defensively? It's so hard to say because we're

719
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: not in the room for those interviews. But if JJ

720
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: interviews well and they give him good assistant coaches and

721
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: he's got the talent for it, I absolutely think it

722
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: could work well.

723
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 2: I mean, Duke Kid, you know, you listen to the podcast,

724
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 2: he's you know, he's a thoughtful guy to me, you know,

725
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 2: it's experience is funny. You know, it's creating the volume

726
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 2: or working for years at ESPN or Fox Sports. You know,

727
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 2: people managers have come to me and said, hey, listen

728
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 2: to a tape or what do you make of this guy?

729
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 2: And my take is, if you've never done network, who cares,

730
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 2: Like we listened to your tape and we're like, yeah,

731
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 2: he's ready to go. Okay, I don't. You didn't have

732
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: to be somewhere. We thought you would be here, So

733
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 2: it's you know, it's Jerry Seinfeld was speaking at Duke.

734
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 2: He had a commencement speech. He had a great line.

735
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 2: He said, having stuff is nice, becoming stuff. Having stuff

736
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 2: is nice, Becoming something is really more important, and becoming

737
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: something is missus. It swings. It's an ascension. In every

738
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 2: job I've ever had, I was a little over my

739
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 2: skis for the first like six to eight weeks, like

740
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 2: I'm bailing water here, I'm trying to catch I've had

741
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 2: a friend once that got a job at Google and

742
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 2: she was like I literally six weeks in, I'm like, oh,

743
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,720
Speaker 2: I'm dumb, and this is a full of smart people.

744
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 2: I'm too dumb to work at Google and she goes

745
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 2: then the light goes on. You start clicking, and then

746
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 2: like six months into it, you're like okay, but it's

747
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 2: like it's okay. Darvin Ham learned on the job. If

748
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 2: you're smart in any industry, you'll figure it out. Like

749
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: a lot of this stuff with coaching is like I

750
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 2: heard Frank Vogel, you know, some complex defensive stuff. Beal

751
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 2: didn't really buy in. Booker was close to an assistant coach,

752
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 2: much closer than he was Vogel. Kevin was fine, but

753
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 2: Kevin's Kevin at this point, and it was like Vogel

754
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: just didn't He didn't resonate with all the guys in

755
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 2: the room. JJ Redick, if Lebron buys him, we'll resonate

756
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 2: with everybody in the room. So my take is you

757
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,720
Speaker 2: start somewhere. If you get Lebron, there is some credibility,

758
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 2: like with Jason Kidd, Like there is credibility player to

759
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 2: player that JJ has, And I think it's kind of

760
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 2: unspoken but kind of the middle aged, you know, guy

761
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 2: that didn't play. I always think you go into a

762
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 2: locker room and about half the room is like if

763
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 2: the star doesn't buy into it, half the room's not

764
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: buying into it. Maybe that's cynical, but I think everybody

765
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: would buy into JJ. Reddick.

766
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's like Mike and Nory from the Timberwolves

767
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: are I can't remember his name, that assistant from the

768
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: Celtics who just got signed by the Charlotte Hornets. It's like,

769
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: if you bring in an assistant, it doesn't matter how

770
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: much he's been grinding in the film room, doesn't matter

771
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: how much he impressed the previous organization. He's got to

772
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: be able to look at Broun and be like, hey man,

773
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: I need you to do this, and Lebron's got to

774
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: be like, okay, you know. And not only that, but

775
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: I'll hold the rest of the team accountable to help

776
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: them along the way. And so there, I do agree

777
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: that's the gravitas piece. And by the way, that's why

778
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: they hired Darvin Ham. They thought Darvin Ham would be

779
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: able to bring some of that, like real gravitas to

780
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: the situation. The thing with JJ is you got to

781
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: acknowledge the risk because you're right, Like they let Darvin

782
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: Ham learn on the fly and he didn't really start

783
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: making huge mistakes until this season. With the roster and

784
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: when he was like leaning into cameradis we've gone over it,

785
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: but like he made too many mistakes and then the

786
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: Lakers had a situation where they looked at the urgency

787
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 1: of their situation and said, we have to make a move.

788
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: And so I just I just hope that the Lakers'

789
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: front office and ownership understands that if you do take JJ,

790
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: there is a risk. And even though I believe he

791
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: could do this well, especially with good experienced staff behind him,

792
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: anytime you go for a first time head coach, there's

793
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: a like what if he's just really bad at in

794
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: game adjustments, what if he's just really bad, Like we

795
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: don't know what it's going to be, Like we're going

796
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: to find out over time. And so that's where like

797
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: the let's say the alternative, Let's say they were to

798
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: get like a Kenny Atkinson for instance, Like Kenny Atkinson

799
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: is more of a known commodity. He might be a

800
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: higher floor, but like maybe you don't get some of

801
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: the upside you get if you get a freaked out

802
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: to your point, Steve Kerr, like Steve Kerr is regarded

803
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: as one of the best coaches in the league. I

804
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: think he's the second best coach in the league behind

805
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: Eric Spolstra. Like that was a risk signing Steve Cree.

806
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,479
Speaker 1: By the way, Steve Kerr was radical. He came into

807
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: a Mark Jackson led team that was spam and pick

808
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: and roll, and he said, Hey, Steph Curry, we're taking

809
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: the ball out of your hands. We're gonna lead the

810
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: league in passes. We're going to run this motion ball

811
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: in player movement offense. And I'm sure there were moments

812
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: in training camp where it looked ugly, and I'm sure

813
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: there were moments where the front office was looking down like, ugh,

814
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: this is weird, you know, like we just went you know,

815
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: two great playoff runs in twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, just

816
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: having Steph run spread pick and roll, so like this

817
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: is funky, But then it works and now Steve Kerr

818
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: is regarded as one of the best coaches in the league.

819
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: So like, there's upside to going with the JJ, but

820
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: there's also a risk. And so for me, I'm okay

821
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: with that risk because I don't really think there's any

822
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 1: candidate out there that's a home run anyway, right, So

823
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: I think there's risk all around to begin with.

824
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 2: Because the league is so player driven, you have to

825
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 2: be more patient. Like you know, in football, it's really

826
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 2: owner coach gm driven. So there's no excuse for a

827
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,240
Speaker 2: coach to say, you know, I can't get the room.

828
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 2: I can't get the room. Just cut guys. If you

829
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 2: can't get the room, you're never going to be a

830
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: good coach in the NFL, in the NBA international soccer,

831
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 2: where you have these Rinaldo's and Lebron's that are literally,

832
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 2: I mean, they're almost above the sport. They're these iconic figures,

833
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 2: it is harder to get that attention. It is harder

834
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 2: to get the buy in you hopefully get a Tim

835
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 2: Duncan or you know, I mean, I think sometimes we

836
00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 2: forget that Phil Jackson had replaced Doug Collins. Michael liked Doug.

837
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 2: Doug's really intense and there was some combative nature to

838
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 2: his personality, but Doug Collins and Michael mostly worked. That

839
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 2: was the first time Michael got real buy in from Doug,

840
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 2: and he got real buy in from Phil. Phil's considered,

841
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 2: you know, the zen master, the better coach, but part

842
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: of its buy in. But I think Lebron has to

843
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 2: also acknowledge, you know, when Michael was in a prime

844
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: for both Collins and Phil like Lebron's not there anymore.

845
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Speaker 2: And I do think when he was completely unselfish for

846
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 2: the fifteen years in his prime, he could have scored

847
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 2: twelve to fifteen points more every game he played in

848
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 2: Now he can be a little He looks for soft

849
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 2: spots in the defense, that he can manipulate smaller players,

850
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 2: that he can drive to the basket on you've talked

851
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 2: about this is that I think Lebron gets a little

852
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: selfish now where it's more about legacy and production. Is

853
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 2: that I think it's time to step back. I'm not

854
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 2: denying he's a top six player in any night, but

855
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 2: it does feel like a little bit with Lebron he's

856
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 2: gotten a little selfish where it's like it's okay to

857
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 2: acknowledge is you can't literally even if you're great, you're

858
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 2: not guaranteeing anything in this league. This is the West,

859
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 2: it's packed. You could be a playing team. And I

860
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 2: know you know Lebron better than anybody his game, but

861
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 2: I do feel like with Lebron he's a little more

862
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 2: of a taker than a giver now. In turn, not

863
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 2: just not just assists, but he's seeking play he's seeking

864
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 2: production sometimes to maintain and I think it's time to

865
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 2: step back. I think he should be a two on

866
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 2: a team.

867
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: I know, I think you're absolutely right. I mean, this

868
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: was actually kind of a little bit of a subplot

869
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: over the last two seasons, more so last year than

870
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: this year because Lebron was so good this season. But

871
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: like the record, I don't really I don't think it's legacy.

872
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 1: I think it's confidence. Like I think Lebron still thinks

873
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: he's the guy, you know, and so I think a

874
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: lot of times like Lebron confronts a basketball problem, like, Okay,

875
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: we're in this slow down basketball game. I need to

876
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: get something going for my team offensively. That means give

877
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: me the ball and then I'm gonna, you know, play

878
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: basketball surgeon, you know, bring this guy up. I'm gonna

879
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: get a switch. I'm going to attack this smaller player. Oh,

880
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: I want to pick on Jokichen pick and roll. So

881
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna bring Anthony Davis up to the screen. But

882
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: one of the things that I noticed over the course

883
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: the last couple of years is Lebron almost confronted every

884
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: basketball problem with him having the ball in his hands, right,

885
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: and there is something to be said about like, even

886
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: though Lebron on the ball is still a very effective

887
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: form of offense, it's not the same as it used

888
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: to be. And you know, specifically with Anthony Davis, I

889
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: actually do think that Lebron would benefit from leaning more

890
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: on Anthony Davis offensively over the course of the season.

891
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: One to build up Anthony Davis's confidence so that when

892
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: they get into some of these situations where they need

893
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: to lean on a like perfect example of this was

894
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: was Game two against Denver when they blew the twenty

895
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 1: point lead. It was Lebron and a D were picking

896
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: on Nicole jokicchen ball screens, and then Michael Lane made

897
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: a very smart adjustment. He moved Aaron Gordon onto Anthony

898
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: Davis so that they could switch the Lebron ad pick

899
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: and roll. And then Lebron instead of going, hey, Aaron

900
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: Gordon's on a D. Let me just keep beating a

901
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: D against Aaron Gordon. Instead he thought, I can beat

902
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: jokicen ball screens because I'm Lebron. So now I'm going

903
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: to bring Ruey up to the screen because Jokic is

904
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: guarding Ruie, and I'll start to pick on Jokic and

905
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: the Laker offense fell apart, and so like, I don't

906
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,760
Speaker 1: I think Lebron made the bad read because he was thinking,

907
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: I'm Lebron James, but it's not on Lebron James. I'm

908
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: thirty nine year old Lebron James. So maybe I should

909
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 1: go to this other guy who made fourteen straight shot

910
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: earlier in the game, Like, maybe I should go to

911
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: him instead, And so I think you're right, Like I

912
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: think in general, and this is something I think that

913
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: the Lakers from an organizational standpoint hiring a coach and

914
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: as they approach this offseason, they need to actually give

915
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: a clear ball handling option that's not Lebron, so that

916
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: Lebron doesn't have to feel like he needs to approach

917
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: every problem by him playing Lebron ball out above the

918
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 1: break and the big guy that I'm looking at, and

919
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: I really I want them to go after de Jontay Murray.

920
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if he saw today, but in the

921
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: draft lottery, the Hawks got the number one overall n yeah,

922
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: which which is which is super interesting because like I

923
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: would imagine they're going to look at that as let's

924
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: rebuild around Trey Young and Jalen Johnson, and so I

925
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: think they I think they'll probably look to move to

926
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 1: Jontay Murray this summer. And he's one of those guys

927
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: where like Desonte was really good in the play in

928
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: games and really good down the stretch of the season.

929
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: He can really beat people off the dribble. He's an

930
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 1: excellent point of attack defender. That's the kind of guy

931
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,720
Speaker 1: where like you can actually put yourself in a situation

932
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,720
Speaker 1: where you have a like because as good as Austin

933
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: Reeves is, you kind of own you want to lean

934
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: on him. It's better that he can go on spurts.

935
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: You don't want to lean on him for big doses.

936
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 2: I saw if you look at de Jonte Murray's numbers

937
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 2: when Trey Young didn't play, like it's it's a little

938
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson without Luca. Oh yeah, you're like, oh, oh no,

939
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 2: he could be a one and a bad team or

940
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 2: a top I mean like, when Trey Young didn't play,

941
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 2: there were like thirty percent elevation and assists twenty five percent.

942
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 2: Like I don't remember the exact numbers, but I did

943
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: a rant on this and I was like, I mean,

944
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 2: you watch him, he's obviously explosive. You can see that.

945
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 2: But it's like we did this with Brunson. You know,

946
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 2: you're like, well, he's kind of a two to Tray,

947
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 2: and it's like, no, maybe they're two ones. The numbers.

948
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 2: When Trey doesn't play, Dejonte's numbers move up and his

949
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 2: efficiency gets better. So that's an interesting one to me.

950
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, to put it simply, the Luca Trey, like heliocentric,

951
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 1: do everything player, it is difficult to be the number

952
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: two for that guy. We can at least admit that.

953
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: If anything, it's like a testament to Kyrie, Like Kyrie's

954
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: the kind of guy like in Game three are Game

955
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: two who can score eight points and still dominate the

956
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: game as an excellent defensive player and passer and all

957
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, but like it is difficult to

958
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: be in that role. And de Jontay Murray in particular,

959
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: like he's a guy that like he can really dance

960
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: with the ball, beat people off the dribble and make

961
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: stuff happen, and so like if he's and what you

962
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: know what no one ever said about de Jontay Murray

963
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,479
Speaker 1: is he's Klay Thompson. Like he's not going to stand

964
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: out on the wing and just shoot, catch and shoot

965
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,720
Speaker 1: threes all game and so like it. Actually, it actually

966
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. I actually look at that

967
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: as if I was the Lakers this summer, I'd look

968
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: two routes through the trade. I'd look for de Jontay

969
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,959
Speaker 1: Murray through free agency, because they'll have their mid level

970
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 1: exception that they can use every year. I would target

971
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: a real center, like an actual big center that can

972
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: play next to Lebron James and Anthony Davis and give

973
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,919
Speaker 1: them a big look. I think if they do that

974
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: and Jared Vanderbilt gets healthy, they all of a sudden

975
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: become a much more physically imposing team with a lot

976
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: more ball handling because of de Jontay Murray. Like, I

977
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: actually think that there's a a if they nail this

978
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: summer and the head coach hire works out, I think

979
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,720
Speaker 1: there's a small opportunity for them to do some damage

980
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: next year. But but yeah, like I uh, the JJ

981
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: Redick piece, I really do think that there's It's just

982
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: as good as any other option out there. It's not

983
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: like there's some slam dunk home run option, and so

984
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: I kind of think as long as he nails the interviews,

985
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: and they put the right staff around him. It could work.

986
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 2: Jason Temp hoops tonight as always, great stuff, Bud.

987
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: It's good to see a man looking forward to next

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00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: week the volume.

989
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