Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing
Speaker 1: in Heels. This show is all about celebrating the most
Speaker 1: extraordinary superwomen who will be sharing their incredible journeys to
Speaker 1: the top, all while staying glamorous. Today with me, we
Speaker 1: have one of my very dear friends who I just
Speaker 1: have so much respect for the beautiful soul of a
Speaker 1: human being, doctor Barbara Sterm. She's an esthetic doctor and
Speaker 1: founder and CEO of doctor Barbara Sturm Molecular Cosmetics. I
Speaker 1: am so excited to speak with Barbara about how she
Speaker 1: balances her work life, her mom life, and what it's
Speaker 1: like to work together with her beautiful daughter, because, let's
Speaker 1: be honest, that is the dream. I'm so lucky. I'm
Speaker 1: surrounded by the most incredible women in my life. Some
Speaker 1: I've known my whole life, some known own more recently.
Speaker 1: But I think what I want to understand a little bit,
Speaker 1: and I think the thing I really try to touch
Speaker 1: on in Climbing and Heels is your journey to get
Speaker 1: to the top all while still being so incredibly feminine
Speaker 1: and strong. And I mean, I have to just say,
Speaker 1: in your case, glamorous, I mean you're like always dressed
Speaker 1: to the nines.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you'll wear like the sickest.
Speaker 1: Gown ever with heels of course, but like no makeup,
Speaker 1: Like you just come in with that dewey fresh skin.
Speaker 1: And so I want to really talk about like as
Speaker 1: a child, were you like Charlie, were you this like
Speaker 1: pretty little blonde, blue eyed girl who had dreams? Or
Speaker 1: were you just like all over the place and had
Speaker 1: no idea? You know, like how did how did Barbara
Speaker 1: start as Barbara?
Speaker 3: You see, I probably was more like Pepper.
Speaker 4: And by the way, first of all, you know when
Speaker 4: someone has you as a friend and women or people
Speaker 4: like you, it's great because you lift people up on
Speaker 4: stage and you make them, you know, stand out, and
Speaker 4: you know, give them, give them the audience, and that's great.
Speaker 4: You know, you really support women like me or people
Speaker 4: like me who come up with something extraordinary, you know,
Speaker 4: and you need that. You need those people who support you.
Speaker 4: Otherwise you can have the best products, but nobody.
Speaker 3: Hears or sees it, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's that's about you. Well, because I believe
Speaker 1: in you. I believe in you. It's genuine.
Speaker 4: But that's authentic, you know, that's authentic, and you know,
Speaker 4: I'm authentic, and you know, people like us who are authentic,
Speaker 4: you know, we get.
Speaker 3: Trusted because we're not someone we are not.
Speaker 4: You know, we don't pretend to, you know, want to
Speaker 4: do skincare when we don't want to do skincare and
Speaker 4: we just want to like collect some more bucks, you
Speaker 4: know the way. But you know, I was a little
Speaker 4: more like Pepper. I wasn't like you know, she's very cheeky.
Speaker 3: I wasn't like that. I had very stric.
Speaker 4: Parents, but you know, I was all over the place.
Speaker 4: I was a tomboy, and I wanted to do every sport.
Speaker 4: I wanted to be the best in school. I wanted
Speaker 4: to I was always in the first row. I was
Speaker 4: always there when something was happening, and it.
Speaker 3: Was you know, all these facets.
Speaker 4: And I still can have all these facets, which which
Speaker 4: is nice to have. I can I can cook in
Speaker 4: the kitchen, I can wear a gown, I can go skiing,
Speaker 4: I can go and play tennis with the boys. I
Speaker 4: can be and you know, in rubber boots. You know,
Speaker 4: I take on any anything, yeah, anything. It's also fun
Speaker 4: in life to have all these options. But you know,
Speaker 4: when someone would have told me, you know, you would
Speaker 4: be in the beauty industry.
Speaker 3: I would not have believed it. Yeah, really, like, no,
Speaker 3: I don't think so.
Speaker 4: I wanted to be a doctor, but you know, I mean,
Speaker 4: like I am a doctor in the beauty industry now,
Speaker 4: which I think is very good and which sets us
Speaker 4: apart from any other brand. But you know, I created
Speaker 4: something which actually helps my skin, helps my patient, skin
Speaker 4: helps my family and friends skin, and then every skin
Speaker 4: out there, no matter which color, which concern, which skin type,
Speaker 4: which skin problem, which you know, age, which gender, whatever
Speaker 4: it is, I have a solution for everyone with skin.
Speaker 2: It's it's amazing. And did I hear correctly?
Speaker 1: You didn't start out as a germ doctor, right, Like,
Speaker 1: were you know orthopedic?
Speaker 2: To tell me about this?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's you know, that's also kind of crazy. You know,
Speaker 4: I've always wanted to I always wanted to.
Speaker 3: Be a children's doctor.
Speaker 4: And then you know, I had like I had a
Speaker 4: kid when I was twenty three.
Speaker 3: I looked like twelve when I had a kid.
Speaker 2: Still like twelve.
Speaker 3: And I love you. But Charlie, Charlie was there.
Speaker 4: And then I was in the in the in the
Speaker 4: children's hospital, working with all these really sick children, and
Speaker 4: it broke my heart.
Speaker 3: I broke my heart so many times. I can't do it.
Speaker 3: I can't do it.
Speaker 4: And so I went into the orthopedics and I did
Speaker 4: my doctor's study actually on professional ski racers. And that
Speaker 4: was my thing, you know, combining fun and you know,
Speaker 4: and work and study. So I went into the orthopedics
Speaker 4: and I was lucky enough to go together with some
Speaker 4: scientists and really interesting people in the orthopedics, which taught
Speaker 4: me that you don't have to accept a treatment which
Speaker 4: is in the medical space out there.
Speaker 3: You can come up with something new.
Speaker 4: You can create something which you think is really better
Speaker 4: than anything out there and bring it.
Speaker 3: To the patients.
Speaker 4: So I was very intrigued with science from my early
Speaker 4: medical years, and so I created the vampire facial when
Speaker 4: I was twenty twenty nine or so.
Speaker 1: I remember hearing about this and I was said, what
Speaker 1: is that which is crazy?
Speaker 2: But it's using your own blood, right, is that correct?
Speaker 4: And that comes from the orthopedics, using the own blood,
Speaker 4: but also bringing the anti inflammatory medicine into skin.
Speaker 3: Look, when we look at skin, you know, and.
Speaker 4: You go to your dermatologists, what they do is they
Speaker 4: give you cortison antibiotics, as it peels laser treatments, So
Speaker 4: no matter which disease you have, you get like a
Speaker 4: treatment which pretty much destroys your microbiome, your skin barrier.
Speaker 3: And you know this is changing now.
Speaker 4: But you know, if you come from a dermatological approach,
Speaker 4: which is you know, very you know also let's say, yeah.
Speaker 3: Topical also effective for certain diseases.
Speaker 4: But you know, sometimes it's better to come from an
Speaker 4: anti inflammatory background. And for the cosmetic industry or for
Speaker 4: the skincare industry, I think that approach changed.
Speaker 3: A little bit. The way we look at at skincare,
Speaker 3: the way we look at anti aging approach.
Speaker 4: Do we really want to aggressively target the surface of
Speaker 4: our skin? Do we really want to destroy our microbiome
Speaker 4: and our skin barrier? Do we want to make our
Speaker 4: skin super vulnerable causing all this inflammation on our skin.
Speaker 4: We live in a time now where prevention is really
Speaker 4: the key. Where we look out for our food, for sleep, habits,
Speaker 4: for we don't smoke, we don't drink, we don't do
Speaker 4: all these things to stay really healthy in order to
Speaker 4: not get sick down the line. Because there's COVID, there's
Speaker 4: all kinds of viruses, and we need to stay as
Speaker 4: strong as possible. Why would we destroy our skin, which
Speaker 4: is the entry point for all these viruses and bocterias,
Speaker 4: you know, not just that, but you know it gets
Speaker 4: translated into our immune system whatever we put on our skin.
Speaker 1: And I think people don't think like that. I think
Speaker 1: people are just like, oh, this is the thing I
Speaker 1: don't have to care about. You can throw chemicals on
Speaker 1: there because they'll come off when I when I wash
Speaker 1: my body or my face or whatever. And it's so interesting.
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, I think there is this thing.
Speaker 1: I think that people think about the sort of cosmetic
Speaker 1: industry and dermatology as this very surface industry, right, but
Speaker 1: ultimately it's not Allultimately it ties into your your overall
Speaker 1: wellness and health. And I think that's something that you
Speaker 1: tupped into early. And I think people are now really
Speaker 1: getting a better understanding of you know, but so, okay,
Speaker 1: so you grew up with very strict parents. I could
Speaker 1: see that, by the way. I could totally see that.
Speaker 3: Fun fun, but strict.
Speaker 4: I mean, like I had my boundaries, you know, it
Speaker 4: was it was it was I think it was good.
Speaker 1: I listen, I am strict about a lot of things.
Speaker 1: And I have no qualms about it because I actually
Speaker 1: think that children need guidance, they need rules, they need
Speaker 1: they need structure, or they're just gonna like lose their way,
Speaker 1: you know, in my opinion, I mean, it works for us,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: I'm sure you know with Pep. Pepper is so different
Speaker 4: and she's just so strong headed.
Speaker 3: I mean like, I mean, I'm trying.
Speaker 1: You're raising yourself now, and it's like you're raising yourself now,
Speaker 1: don't you see that? Like you're like, wait, that's how
Speaker 1: I was. Okay, this is coming back to me.
Speaker 3: The thing is, I you know, I was listening to
Speaker 3: my parents. She's just like, oh no, I'm doing this
Speaker 3: on this.
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, and you know what if you
Speaker 4: try to, you know, not punish, but like you know.
Speaker 2: Take doesn't doesn't she doesn't care, doesn't It doesn't work.
Speaker 2: Doesn't work.
Speaker 1: I find with kids that have stronger minds, I find
Speaker 1: talking is so much more effective. It's like the conversation
Speaker 1: explaining the why. Because I actually have found as a
Speaker 1: parent that we grew up in a time.
Speaker 2: Where there was zero question who was the authority?
Speaker 1: Right, it was like it was like if you said why,
Speaker 1: they were like because I said so, and.
Speaker 2: That was the no. There's no kind none.
Speaker 1: And I think now we're raising our kids in a
Speaker 1: time where parents were trying to find that balance of
Speaker 1: being their best friends and being their authority, because we
Speaker 1: want them to share everything with us, We want them
Speaker 1: to live this life where they're advocates for themselves. We
Speaker 1: teach them to be confident leaders and things like that,
Speaker 1: and I find that sitting down and explaining exactly why
Speaker 1: is so much more effective because once they can process
Speaker 1: this is why they're protecting me either this. If I
Speaker 1: do this, I'm going to get hurt. If I do this,
Speaker 1: I'm going to get in trouble, and the ramifications are
Speaker 1: going to be this right. So I have a question.
Speaker 1: So well, first of all, I do want to point
Speaker 1: out that you're a young mom. I want to point
Speaker 1: out the actual challenge and how hard that is to
Speaker 1: build a career while having a young child, because I
Speaker 1: always say like, God, you know, I should have done
Speaker 1: this younger, so that I was a younger mom and
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, And sometimes I say that and sometimes
Speaker 1: I'm like, thank.
Speaker 2: God I did this late.
Speaker 1: I probably would have given up on my career so
Speaker 1: that I didn't have to leave them, but you somehow
Speaker 1: managed to never leave Charlie basically right, and.
Speaker 2: I mean for some times, ca but tell me about that.
Speaker 2: Tell me about that.
Speaker 1: And now this sort of second time around the difference.
Speaker 4: So when Charlie was delyed my parents. You know, my
Speaker 4: mom was like a second mom to Charlie. So when
Speaker 4: I was traveling, Charlie was with them, or when I
Speaker 4: had to work, my mom would pick them pick her
Speaker 4: up from school. So it was very perfect with Charlie.
Speaker 4: And she was never really sad about it or anything.
Speaker 4: But you know, she always saw.
Speaker 3: Me working, I think, which was very very good for her.
Speaker 4: I think that, you know, watching your parents building something,
Speaker 4: I think it's very good for the kids. And with Pepper,
Speaker 4: you know that Pepper now is eight. I was heavily
Speaker 4: building the business during that entire time. And she was
Speaker 4: traveling with me ever since she was two weeks old
Speaker 4: or three weeks old, and I put her on a
Speaker 4: plane and we traveled everywhere, and it took.
Speaker 3: Her and there was hard.
Speaker 4: And then sometimes I went to Australia, so I just
Speaker 4: left her behind sometimes like for two three weeks.
Speaker 3: It was so hard.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was so I mean like even your children,
Speaker 4: I mean you know that you.
Speaker 3: Know, even if it's just for two days, it's the worst.
Speaker 2: It's the worst, the worst. Your heart strings are like being.
Speaker 4: Even if it's better for them, yeah, it's better for
Speaker 4: them to say, and they're they're like, you know, whatever
Speaker 4: system or school, it's it hurts.
Speaker 1: But now I think that, you know, watching Charlie for
Speaker 1: for our listeners that don't know, Barbara has an older
Speaker 1: daughter who's in her twentieth mid twenties, right, and she's
Speaker 1: obviously like beyond stunning. But you know, I think I
Speaker 1: met her when she was maybe fifteen, and I just
Speaker 1: but she always was watching you. She always was next
Speaker 1: to you. She always was like respecting what you were doing.
Speaker 1: And I remember her teen moment where she was like,
Speaker 1: I have pimples, but my mom's saying, like she was
Speaker 1: still being a teenager. She would still keep you in
Speaker 1: line if you said something she didn't like. And you
Speaker 1: know what teenage daughters do what I certainly did and
Speaker 1: probably still do to my mom. But I think think
Speaker 1: that now that she works with you, I mean, how
Speaker 1: does that feel? That must feel incredible because like to me,
Speaker 1: that's the dream. But I feel like the dream doesn't
Speaker 1: always happen.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, it's the best. It's the best, It's
Speaker 4: the best. I love Charlie so much. She's so smart,
Speaker 4: so smart. Also in business, she does business strategy. Yesterday
Speaker 4: she hosted a big lunch at Art Bars of Miami.
Speaker 4: She did an entire speech. I didn't even I didn't
Speaker 4: talk to her, you know, she didn't ask me.
Speaker 3: She she just does this speak. She's so confident now,
Speaker 3: it's fantastic.
Speaker 4: And you know, we did a big leadership ship meeting
Speaker 4: and she was part of it and then in our company,
Speaker 4: and then we had a coach with us, and the
Speaker 4: coach said to my MD, after that leadership she said,
Speaker 4: Charlie has to take over the company.
Speaker 3: Oh so it's it's unbelievable. So that I expected that now,
Speaker 3: I expected. I didn't ask her to do it.
Speaker 4: But she's like also, she's covering an entire next generation.
Speaker 3: Yes, you know, we are asked.
Speaker 4: We know each other, like you know, we have like
Speaker 4: our like whole network, but next generation network.
Speaker 3: I mean, like she knows everybody. She travels to to Learna,
Speaker 3: to New York too. She knows everybody. She's invited to everything,
Speaker 3: it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: It's incredible. No, no, it's incredible. And I think, you know,
Speaker 1: it's interesting because I always give Massoni as an example
Speaker 1: of this beautiful family business right where yeah, the grandmother
Speaker 1: and the grandfather and then you know the mom and
Speaker 1: Mark Rita and the sisters and the cousins and the uncles,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's amazing. And I think for us,
Speaker 1: like you know, when Roger and I started our business,
Speaker 1: I remember when we had sky and everyone kept saying,
Speaker 1: what do you dream for your kids? And it was like, look,
Speaker 1: you want them to live their own life, right, you
Speaker 1: hope that you build something that you can pass to
Speaker 1: your children. But at the same time, if the kids
Speaker 1: have zero interest in doing this, like let them live
Speaker 1: their life, let them live their dream and do their thing.
Speaker 1: But for you, I feel like you handled it so
Speaker 1: beautifully because you didn't ask, and that is smart.
Speaker 4: You know, it's hard for kids. You know, she's my daughter.
Speaker 4: You know, other employees of co workers not always.
Speaker 2: Respect course I disbanded to.
Speaker 3: Make them, yeah, but I also didn't make them. Of
Speaker 3: course she had to.
Speaker 4: She had to work herself up and you know, and
Speaker 4: and strengthen her position and I'm not telling people to.
Speaker 3: Love my kids.
Speaker 4: You know, it's like it's up to them and everybody. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and everybody loves her.
Speaker 2: She's amazing.
Speaker 1: She has your very similar demeanor, though she's very like, well,
Speaker 1: you're like inner, not calm, but she has this very
Speaker 1: like calm kind of chill thing.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, she's so calm.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like a fire correcting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am impulsive.
Speaker 4: I just do this and this, and if this opportunity
Speaker 4: is I do that as well, you know. And Charlie's
Speaker 4: like thinking, thinking, thinking, and then you know she grew
Speaker 4: up as my mother and I was her kid. Always
Speaker 4: I'm not amazing, always like the one who just you know,
Speaker 4: calms me down and just you know, mom, look at
Speaker 4: this this way, and maybe I's so funny.
Speaker 1: Actually so then maybe so Then Okay, So I do
Speaker 1: want to talk about mentorship because I think to your
Speaker 1: point earlier, you know, I grew up.
Speaker 2: I don't know how you grew up.
Speaker 1: But in my career, I didn't have a lot of
Speaker 1: female mentors that took me under and said, let me
Speaker 1: help you, let me tell you what to do and
Speaker 1: what not to do in this industry. I'm going to
Speaker 1: tell you what's going to trip you up, and you know,
Speaker 1: all those things. I didn't really have that, and I
Speaker 1: think that's why I really try hard to be that
Speaker 1: person for people, because I do know how valuable it is.
Speaker 1: And I you know, I think for you, growing up
Speaker 1: with you know, amazing strict parents, I did as well.
Speaker 1: I imagine your parents were mentors for you.
Speaker 3: They teach you the basics.
Speaker 4: You know. My parents always said, you know, be kind
Speaker 4: to everyone, you know, have respect for everybody. You know,
Speaker 4: keep your feet on the ground, and.
Speaker 3: That was something. You know, these are good skills to have.
Speaker 4: And you know, building this business. I mean I didn't
Speaker 4: even know I had a business. You know, I was
Speaker 4: just making creams for and stuff for my patients.
Speaker 3: As a doctor.
Speaker 4: You know, I was like this, you know, business became
Speaker 4: a business way way later. But you know, I'm still
Speaker 4: as a doctor. It service to my patients and that
Speaker 4: really what matters to me. I don't really remember having
Speaker 4: mentors other than my parents.
Speaker 3: I had an.
Speaker 4: Orthopedic doctor who helped me to really fulfill the dreams
Speaker 4: and doing my own treatments, and that really gave me,
Speaker 4: you know the power also now to say, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm confident. I don't look right or left. I have
Speaker 4: a strong view good for the skin. That doesn't mean,
Speaker 4: you know, it's what other people do. It's really just us.
Speaker 4: It's storm It's nothing else but stormy. I don't care
Speaker 4: what other people do.
Speaker 3: You know, are like a very strong, strong way. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that's so smart because I actually think that.
Speaker 1: I read a quote recently and I'm trying to remember it.
Speaker 1: It was so profound and so true. Comparison is the
Speaker 1: thief of joy. That's the process on yourself.
Speaker 2: And that's why I love it, and that's.
Speaker 4: Why I don't like this, you know, social media going
Speaker 4: through it's the stories, you know. I always say to
Speaker 4: the kids of my friends, to everybody, say, stop watching
Speaker 4: other people's life.
Speaker 3: Don't you make any sense? No, focus on yourself. What
Speaker 3: do you want to do?
Speaker 4: You know, you're beautiful, You're you know, your own person,
Speaker 4: with your own life.
Speaker 2: It's crazy, so true.
Speaker 1: I think grown ups have the same problem though, that's
Speaker 1: the thing, and I think that, like you know, kids,
Speaker 1: I think the impact is sometimes irreparable, you know. But
Speaker 1: I have actual girlfriends that stopped being on social media
Speaker 1: because they said, it's.
Speaker 2: Really ruining me.
Speaker 1: Like, it's really making me feel like I'm not included
Speaker 1: in anything. I feel like I live this really boring life.
Speaker 1: She's like, and it really makes me feel bad about myself.
Speaker 1: And She's like, and I find when I don't look
Speaker 1: at it, I'm genuinely happier.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: And I was like, Okay, that's you know, it's great.
Speaker 1: You know, you're obviously living your dream beyond dreams. But
Speaker 1: I think the question is, you know, I want to
Speaker 1: talk about education for a brief second, because I always
Speaker 1: like to talk about I really believe your education does
Speaker 1: not define you in any way. I think to go
Speaker 1: to sort of like your earlier point, you were sort
Speaker 1: of like, huh, I was going to be a child doctor.
Speaker 1: I was going to I thought I was going to
Speaker 1: be a child psychiatrist, for what it's worth. But I
Speaker 1: want to understand your point of view on that, Like,
Speaker 1: did Charlie go to college? You obviously went to college
Speaker 1: because you're a doctor, so you went all the way.
Speaker 1: But I do want to hear your thoughts on that.
Speaker 4: I think you collect life skills throughout your life. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and you're smart, you're not smart, doesn't matter if you're
Speaker 4: you know, first in class or good in math.
Speaker 3: I don't think it matters. And to give you really
Speaker 3: strong examples with Pepper, for example, Pepper talked very late,
Speaker 3: Pepper read very late. Everything is very late. I know
Speaker 3: she's so smart, she all smarts me every day.
Speaker 2: But different I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't push, I don't. I don't think it's important.
Speaker 3: It's important. How you know, does she interact with other people?
Speaker 3: How is she? Is she happy? Is she sporty? Does
Speaker 3: she get like her energy out?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: I think, you know, kids find their way. And with
Speaker 3: Charlie was the same.
Speaker 4: I was never a parent, teacher, confriendce I was, you know,
Speaker 4: I let her do. I wasn't, you know, checking her homework.
Speaker 4: She was doing everything herself. She went to boarding school.
Speaker 3: She was the best in her entire grade. I mean,
Speaker 3: like the entire you know, age group. She was. I
Speaker 3: didn't ask her for anything. It was her choice.
Speaker 4: But I still strongly believe that you learn your life
Speaker 4: lessons in so many other ways, and you know, not
Speaker 4: just being good at school.
Speaker 3: Instagram certain things.
Speaker 1: I agree, But you had to have been a student
Speaker 1: like Charlie. You had to have been because how do
Speaker 1: you become a doctor.
Speaker 4: You know what I was, I was lucky. I have
Speaker 4: a photographic memory. Me too, help me me too.
Speaker 2: I swear that got me through school.
Speaker 3: And I was like, you know, medical school it's very hard.
Speaker 4: You know, yes, it's and you know I hate sitting
Speaker 4: behind books forever.
Speaker 1: Okay, two questions. I want to ask you. What are
Speaker 1: your biggest challenges? Like what keeps you awake at night?
Speaker 4: I'm a very good sleeper, but obviously sometimes you know
Speaker 4: when you I thank God when you go to bed
Speaker 4: with something really like crazy problem or something. I like
Speaker 4: to fix problems. I'm actually I like challenges, So if
Speaker 4: something is not one hundred percent, I find it extremely interesting.
Speaker 4: So that's why I'm never really all that bothered with it.
Speaker 4: The biggest challenges, I think it's you know, the people
Speaker 4: you're surrounded with, if they're coming into your life as
Speaker 4: workers or whatever. This is this, this is so hard
Speaker 4: and regarding where your business is at, at what level,
Speaker 4: at what point you need to make sure you have
Speaker 4: the right people with the right skill set for that
Speaker 4: part of your growth.
Speaker 3: And you know the lawyer, can you trust them? You
Speaker 3: know they're good to you?
Speaker 4: Do they are they passionate about you know, what you're
Speaker 4: passionate about and you know it's it's yeah.
Speaker 3: No, I that was the biggest learning curve.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's same by the way I think and I
Speaker 1: and I want to point that out because I think
Speaker 1: that that is a very common thread with entrepreneurs. It's
Speaker 1: finding your team, finding your people, and then you hold
Speaker 1: on to them for dear life, those stars and those
Speaker 1: great people.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But also I'm like, you know, I have a very
Speaker 4: naive optimism, which is good because I'm good and risk
Speaker 4: taking because of that. But but you know, I'm also like,
Speaker 4: you know, I for me, my team is family. You know.
Speaker 3: I love harmony in my life. I don't want to fight.
Speaker 3: I don't want to struggle with like negative energy.
Speaker 4: So I want a happy place and that is not
Speaker 4: always possible, and that keeps me up. You know, I want,
Speaker 4: I want, I want to be good with everybody.
Speaker 1: I think it's a very it's a very common thread.
Speaker 1: I have to tell you all my friends that are
Speaker 1: CEOs founders, it is the same thing. It's your because
Speaker 1: your your team that you trust, you trust for life.
Speaker 1: You keep them close. They share like every breath you
Speaker 1: take and they're next to you all the time. So
Speaker 1: it's this trust that you need, and I think when
Speaker 1: that gets tripped up, it really throws you.
Speaker 4: One doctor left me, One doctor left me, went to
Speaker 4: the competition.
Speaker 3: I told you everything, everything, everything.
Speaker 4: I didn't sleep for months. They had to sleeping pearls
Speaker 4: because I was.
Speaker 1: So supposed like someone taking a marble statue and throwing
Speaker 1: it into your stomach is what it feels like.
Speaker 4: And then absolutely and then what it does to you
Speaker 4: actually is like it makes you even better because you know,
Speaker 4: I developed a bunch of new techniques and treatments which
Speaker 4: nobody knew because you know, I have to, I have
Speaker 4: to develop further, so I'm ahead of everybody you know.
Speaker 1: Of course, of course, and that's the good you take
Speaker 1: from that. That's the good you take from that, And
Speaker 1: I think that's yeah, it but it also helps you
Speaker 1: develop a bit of a thicker skin.
Speaker 2: You know, it can't change who you are, can't change
Speaker 2: who you are.
Speaker 3: Thicker skin, I.
Speaker 4: Mean, thicker skin also makes you kind of rough fighting.
Speaker 4: That's not always that not always helps because you just
Speaker 4: become a little more.
Speaker 2: Like cynical, you know, tappen'ed up. I agree.
Speaker 1: Last question for you, where do you see yourself? What's
Speaker 1: the dream? Do you ever say, Okay, I'm going to
Speaker 1: keep doing this and then I'm moving here and I'm
Speaker 1: going to be doing this. I always joke I'm going
Speaker 1: to live in the south of France and like live
Speaker 1: like near the hotel, your cop and sit on the
Speaker 1: beach and make jewelry.
Speaker 2: That's gonna that's my end game. But like what's your dream? Dream?
Speaker 2: You see?
Speaker 4: I totally live in the presence. I'm not smart in
Speaker 4: the past. Sometimes sometimes when you have, like, you know,
Speaker 4: little things which happen to your life, sometimes you have
Speaker 4: to go back to the past a little bit, which
Speaker 4: I don't like.
Speaker 3: And I like to float.
Speaker 4: I like, you know, and I never chose a boyfriend
Speaker 4: who I knew I would. I would know my life
Speaker 4: in ten years, you know. And if somebody would give
Speaker 4: me this feeling, oh my god, in ten years you
Speaker 4: would be this and this and this and this.
Speaker 2: And I was liked at here.
Speaker 3: So that was not I could. I couldn't deal with it.
Speaker 4: So the dreams I have I like to fulfill while
Speaker 4: I'm doing whatever I'm doing. So what I did, I
Speaker 4: actually moved to Switzerland in the mountains.
Speaker 3: I'm living in the mountains. I always wanted to do that,
Speaker 3: So I'm skiing, basically, got it. You would wouldn't.
Speaker 4: Surelye And you know I go skiing in the morning,
Speaker 4: you know, before working, I go skiing.
Speaker 3: So that's my dream. So I live my dream, you
Speaker 3: know as I go along.
Speaker 4: And that I had to learn too, because you know,
Speaker 4: you're always think, you know, oh, when you do this,
Speaker 4: and you do this.
Speaker 1: It's guilt, right, you feel guilty. Like, wait, if I
Speaker 1: live in the mountain, then I'm not doing all the
Speaker 1: things I am. And you're like, wait a minute, I
Speaker 1: can do both, right, But we.
Speaker 3: Need to do We need to do the things we
Speaker 3: want to do.
Speaker 4: If we want to do something, let's just do it
Speaker 4: because who knows how we end up, who knows how
Speaker 4: long we will live, who knows what's happening. You know,
Speaker 4: I think we just have to do a few things
Speaker 4: if we can, if it puts, if it fits in
Speaker 4: our time, if it fits into our life, if fits
Speaker 4: with our children, because the end game to me is
Speaker 4: like happy children, you know, and them, you know, being
Speaker 4: healthy enough to be with them for as long as
Speaker 4: we can, and you know, take care of them as
Speaker 4: much as we want to.
Speaker 2: You know, that's so funny.
Speaker 1: It's like, the more I talk to you, the more
Speaker 1: I realize why we're such good friends. We're actually really
Speaker 1: similar creatures. But I just want to say I love you.
Speaker 1: I you know, I talk about you your products probably
Speaker 1: at least once a day.
Speaker 2: Actually, I love you too.
Speaker 1: I mean it, I mean it. I have so much
Speaker 1: respect for you. I love your story, I love your kids.
Speaker 1: I'm fortunate that I get to be with Charlie a lot.
Speaker 3: But I just I love a great friend to us.
Speaker 2: Please, this is such a great friend.
Speaker 3: I love so grateful, I love it so happy. Malcolm
Speaker 3: introduced us.
Speaker 2: Oh he's the best. I love god. I love that man.
Speaker 2: I do.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Barbersturm is absolutely one of the sweetest people I know.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy that we got to really dig more
Speaker 1: into her background because as well as I may know somebody,
Speaker 1: when I have them on the podcast, you really uncover,
Speaker 1: you know, just more layers of how they came to
Speaker 1: be the success that they are. And you know, I
Speaker 1: think she is so interesting because, as she said, she
Speaker 1: was a very young mom and an older mom, and
Speaker 1: you know, that's a real interesting challenge in life to
Speaker 1: try and figure out how to do both simultaneously, and
Speaker 1: you know how to do it the second time around,
Speaker 1: as you know, being sort of more of a grown up,
Speaker 1: I like to say. And she did it while building
Speaker 1: her career, which I have to tell you is one
Speaker 1: of the greatest challenges that a parent could ever face,
Speaker 1: because you have to leave a lot, and especially when
Speaker 1: it's your business and your brand, it's like there's no
Speaker 1: one that can show up instead of you.
Speaker 2: She just does that so beautifully.
Speaker 1: And I know that there isn't video of Barbara, but
Speaker 1: you know, you can certainly find her on my Instagram,
Speaker 1: on her Instagram.
Speaker 2: She is strikingly beautiful.
Speaker 1: And I will say that her skin is literally glowing
Speaker 1: twenty four hours a day, like when she sleeps, when
Speaker 1: she wakes up.
Speaker 2: I've seen her at all hours.
Speaker 1: I've seen her with not a stitch of makeup on
Speaker 1: except like lip bomb, and I mean, she really does
Speaker 1: practice what she preaches. Thank you so much for listening
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