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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing

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Speaker 1: in Heels. This show is all about celebrating the most

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Speaker 1: extraordinary superwomen who will be sharing their incredible journeys to

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Speaker 1: the top, all while staying glamorous. Today with me, we

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Speaker 1: have one of my very dear friends who I just

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Speaker 1: have so much respect for the beautiful soul of a

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Speaker 1: human being, doctor Barbara Sterm. She's an esthetic doctor and

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Speaker 1: founder and CEO of doctor Barbara Sturm Molecular Cosmetics. I

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Speaker 1: am so excited to speak with Barbara about how she

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Speaker 1: balances her work life, her mom life, and what it's

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Speaker 1: like to work together with her beautiful daughter, because, let's

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Speaker 1: be honest, that is the dream. I'm so lucky. I'm

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Speaker 1: surrounded by the most incredible women in my life. Some

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Speaker 1: I've known my whole life, some known own more recently.

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Speaker 1: But I think what I want to understand a little bit,

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Speaker 1: and I think the thing I really try to touch

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Speaker 1: on in Climbing and Heels is your journey to get

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Speaker 1: to the top all while still being so incredibly feminine

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Speaker 1: and strong. And I mean, I have to just say,

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Speaker 1: in your case, glamorous, I mean you're like always dressed

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Speaker 2: Sometimes you'll wear like the sickest.

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Speaker 1: Gown ever with heels of course, but like no makeup,

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Speaker 1: Like you just come in with that dewey fresh skin.

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Speaker 1: And so I want to really talk about like as

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Speaker 1: a child, were you like Charlie, were you this like

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Speaker 1: pretty little blonde, blue eyed girl who had dreams? Or

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Speaker 1: were you just like all over the place and had

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Speaker 1: no idea? You know, like how did how did Barbara

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Speaker 1: start as Barbara?

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Speaker 3: You see, I probably was more like Pepper.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, first of all, you know when

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Speaker 4: someone has you as a friend and women or people

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Speaker 4: like you, it's great because you lift people up on

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Speaker 4: stage and you make them, you know, stand out, and

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Speaker 4: you know, give them, give them the audience, and that's great.

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Speaker 4: You know, you really support women like me or people

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Speaker 4: like me who come up with something extraordinary, you know,

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Speaker 4: and you need that. You need those people who support you.

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Speaker 4: Otherwise you can have the best products, but nobody.

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Speaker 3: Hears or sees it, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's that's about you. Well, because I believe

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Speaker 4: But that's authentic, you know, that's authentic, and you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm authentic, and you know, people like us who are authentic,

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Speaker 4: you know, we get.

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Speaker 3: Trusted because we're not someone we are not.

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Speaker 4: You know, we don't pretend to, you know, want to

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Speaker 4: do skincare when we don't want to do skincare and

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Speaker 4: we just want to like collect some more bucks, you

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Speaker 4: know the way. But you know, I was a little

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Speaker 4: more like Pepper. I wasn't like you know, she's very cheeky.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't like that. I had very stric.

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Speaker 4: I was a tomboy, and I wanted to do every sport.

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Speaker 4: I wanted to be the best in school. I wanted

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Speaker 3: Was you know, all these facets.

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Speaker 4: And I still can have all these facets, which which

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Speaker 4: is nice to have. I can I can cook in

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Speaker 4: I can go and play tennis with the boys. I

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Speaker 4: I take on any anything, yeah, anything. It's also fun

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Speaker 4: in life to have all these options. But you know,

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Speaker 4: when someone would have told me, you know, you would

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Speaker 3: I would not have believed it. Yeah, really, like, no,

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Speaker 4: I wanted to be a doctor, but you know, I mean,

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Speaker 4: like I am a doctor in the beauty industry now,

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Speaker 4: which I think is very good and which sets us

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Speaker 4: apart from any other brand. But you know, I created

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Speaker 4: something which actually helps my skin, helps my patient, skin

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Speaker 4: helps my family and friends skin, and then every skin

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Speaker 4: out there, no matter which color, which concern, which skin type,

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Speaker 4: it is, I have a solution for everyone with skin.

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Speaker 2: It's it's amazing. And did I hear correctly?

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Speaker 1: You didn't start out as a germ doctor, right, Like,

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Speaker 4: And then you know, I had like I had a

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Speaker 3: And I love you. But Charlie, Charlie was there.

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Speaker 4: And then I was in the in the in the

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Speaker 3: I broke my heart so many times. I can't do it.

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Speaker 4: And so I went into the orthopedics and I did

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Speaker 4: my doctor's study actually on professional ski racers. And that

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Speaker 4: me that you don't have to accept a treatment which

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Speaker 3: You can come up with something new.

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Speaker 4: You can create something which you think is really better

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Speaker 3: To the patients.

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Speaker 4: So I was very intrigued with science from my early

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Speaker 4: medical years, and so I created the vampire facial when

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Speaker 1: I remember hearing about this and I was said, what

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Speaker 1: is that which is crazy?

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Speaker 2: But it's using your own blood, right, is that correct?

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Speaker 4: And that comes from the orthopedics, using the own blood,

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Speaker 4: but also bringing the anti inflammatory medicine into skin.

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Speaker 3: Look, when we look at skin, you know, and.

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Speaker 4: You go to your dermatologists, what they do is they

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Speaker 4: give you cortison antibiotics, as it peels laser treatments, So

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Speaker 4: no matter which disease you have, you get like a

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Speaker 4: treatment which pretty much destroys your microbiome, your skin barrier.

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Speaker 3: And you know this is changing now.

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Speaker 4: But you know, if you come from a dermatological approach,

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Speaker 3: Topical also effective for certain diseases.

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Speaker 4: But you know, sometimes it's better to come from an

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Speaker 4: anti inflammatory background. And for the cosmetic industry or for

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Speaker 3: A little bit. The way we look at at skincare,

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Speaker 4: Do we really want to aggressively target the surface of

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Speaker 4: We live in a time now where prevention is really

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Speaker 4: the key. Where we look out for our food, for sleep, habits,

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Speaker 4: you know, not just that, but you know it gets

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Speaker 1: And I think people don't think like that. I think

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Speaker 1: don't have to care about. You can throw chemicals on

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Speaker 1: And I think, you know, I think there is this thing.

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Speaker 1: I think that people think about the sort of cosmetic

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Speaker 1: so you grew up with very strict parents. I could

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Speaker 3: Fun fun, but strict.

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Speaker 4: I mean, like I had my boundaries, you know, it

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Speaker 1: I listen, I am strict about a lot of things.

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Speaker 1: And I have no qualms about it because I actually

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Speaker 1: you know, in my opinion, I mean, it works for us,

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Speaker 3: I mean like, I mean, I'm trying.

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Speaker 1: You're raising yourself now, and it's like you're raising yourself now,

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Speaker 3: The thing is, I you know, I was listening to

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Speaker 4: It's like, you know, and you know what if you

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Speaker 1: I find with kids that have stronger minds, I find

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Speaker 1: explaining the why. Because I actually have found as a

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Speaker 2: Where there was zero question who was the authority?

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Speaker 1: Right, it was like it was like if you said why,

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Speaker 2: That was the no. There's no kind none.

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Speaker 1: And I think now we're raising our kids in a

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Speaker 1: time where parents were trying to find that balance of

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Speaker 1: want them to share everything with us, We want them

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Speaker 1: and I find that sitting down and explaining exactly why

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Speaker 1: going to be this right. So I have a question.

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Speaker 1: So well, first of all, I do want to point

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Speaker 1: build a career while having a young child, because I

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Speaker 1: always say like, God, you know, I should have done

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Speaker 1: this younger, so that I was a younger mom and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, thank.

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Speaker 2: God I did this late.

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Speaker 1: I probably would have given up on my career so

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Speaker 1: that I didn't have to leave them, but you somehow

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Speaker 1: managed to never leave Charlie basically right, and.

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Speaker 2: I mean for some times, ca but tell me about that.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about that.

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Speaker 1: And now this sort of second time around the difference.

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Speaker 4: So when Charlie was delyed my parents. You know, my

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Speaker 4: with something really like crazy problem or something. I like

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Speaker 4: to fix problems. I'm actually I like challenges, So if

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Speaker 4: something is not one hundred percent, I find it extremely interesting.

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Speaker 4: So that's why I'm never really all that bothered with it.

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Speaker 4: The biggest challenges, I think it's you know, the people

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Speaker 4: you're surrounded with, if they're coming into your life as

444
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Speaker 4: workers or whatever. This is this, this is so hard

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Speaker 4: and regarding where your business is at, at what level,

446
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Speaker 4: at what point you need to make sure you have

447
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Speaker 4: the right people with the right skill set for that

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Speaker 4: part of your growth.

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Speaker 3: And you know the lawyer, can you trust them? You

450
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Speaker 3: know they're good to you?

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Speaker 4: Do they are they passionate about you know, what you're

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Speaker 4: passionate about and you know it's it's yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, I that was the biggest learning curve.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's same by the way I think and I

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Speaker 1: and I want to point that out because I think

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Speaker 1: that that is a very common thread with entrepreneurs. It's

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Speaker 1: finding your team, finding your people, and then you hold

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Speaker 1: on to them for dear life, those stars and those

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Speaker 1: great people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: But also I'm like, you know, I have a very

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Speaker 4: naive optimism, which is good because I'm good and risk

463
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Speaker 4: taking because of that. But but you know, I'm also like,

464
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Speaker 4: you know, I for me, my team is family. You know.

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Speaker 3: I love harmony in my life. I don't want to fight.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to struggle with like negative energy.

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Speaker 4: So I want a happy place and that is not

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Speaker 4: always possible, and that keeps me up. You know, I want,

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Speaker 4: I want, I want to be good with everybody.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a very it's a very common thread.

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Speaker 1: I have to tell you all my friends that are

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Speaker 1: CEOs founders, it is the same thing. It's your because

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Speaker 1: your your team that you trust, you trust for life.

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Speaker 1: You keep them close. They share like every breath you

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Speaker 1: take and they're next to you all the time. So

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Speaker 1: it's this trust that you need, and I think when

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Speaker 1: that gets tripped up, it really throws you.

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Speaker 4: One doctor left me, One doctor left me, went to

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Speaker 4: the competition.

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Speaker 3: I told you everything, everything, everything.

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Speaker 4: I didn't sleep for months. They had to sleeping pearls

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Speaker 4: because I was.

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Speaker 1: So supposed like someone taking a marble statue and throwing

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Speaker 1: it into your stomach is what it feels like.

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Speaker 4: And then absolutely and then what it does to you

486
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Speaker 4: actually is like it makes you even better because you know,

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Speaker 4: I developed a bunch of new techniques and treatments which

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Speaker 4: nobody knew because you know, I have to, I have

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Speaker 4: to develop further, so I'm ahead of everybody you know.

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Speaker 1: Of course, of course, and that's the good you take

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Speaker 1: from that. That's the good you take from that, And

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Speaker 1: I think that's yeah, it but it also helps you

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Speaker 1: develop a bit of a thicker skin.

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Speaker 2: You know, it can't change who you are, can't change

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Speaker 2: who you are.

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Speaker 3: Thicker skin, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean, thicker skin also makes you kind of rough fighting.

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Speaker 4: That's not always that not always helps because you just

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Speaker 4: become a little more.

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Speaker 2: Like cynical, you know, tappen'ed up. I agree.

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Speaker 1: Last question for you, where do you see yourself? What's

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Speaker 1: the dream? Do you ever say, Okay, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: keep doing this and then I'm moving here and I'm

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Speaker 1: going to be doing this. I always joke I'm going

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Speaker 1: to live in the south of France and like live

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Speaker 1: like near the hotel, your cop and sit on the

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Speaker 1: beach and make jewelry.

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Speaker 2: That's gonna that's my end game. But like what's your dream? Dream?

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Speaker 2: You see?

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Speaker 4: I totally live in the presence. I'm not smart in

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Speaker 4: the past. Sometimes sometimes when you have, like, you know,

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Speaker 4: little things which happen to your life, sometimes you have

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Speaker 4: to go back to the past a little bit, which

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Speaker 4: I don't like.

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Speaker 3: And I like to float.

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Speaker 4: I like, you know, and I never chose a boyfriend

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Speaker 4: who I knew I would. I would know my life

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Speaker 4: in ten years, you know. And if somebody would give

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Speaker 4: me this feeling, oh my god, in ten years you

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Speaker 4: would be this and this and this and this.

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Speaker 2: And I was liked at here.

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Speaker 3: So that was not I could. I couldn't deal with it.

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Speaker 4: So the dreams I have I like to fulfill while

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Speaker 4: I'm doing whatever I'm doing. So what I did, I

525
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,959
Speaker 4: actually moved to Switzerland in the mountains.

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Speaker 3: I'm living in the mountains. I always wanted to do that,

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Speaker 3: So I'm skiing, basically, got it. You would wouldn't.

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Speaker 4: Surelye And you know I go skiing in the morning,

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Speaker 4: you know, before working, I go skiing.

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Speaker 3: So that's my dream. So I live my dream, you

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Speaker 3: know as I go along.

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Speaker 4: And that I had to learn too, because you know,

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Speaker 4: you're always think, you know, oh, when you do this,

534
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Speaker 4: and you do this.

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Speaker 1: It's guilt, right, you feel guilty. Like, wait, if I

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Speaker 1: live in the mountain, then I'm not doing all the

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Speaker 1: things I am. And you're like, wait a minute, I

538
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Speaker 1: can do both, right, But we.

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Speaker 3: Need to do We need to do the things we

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Speaker 3: want to do.

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Speaker 4: If we want to do something, let's just do it

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Speaker 4: because who knows how we end up, who knows how

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Speaker 4: long we will live, who knows what's happening. You know,

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Speaker 4: I think we just have to do a few things

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Speaker 4: if we can, if it puts, if it fits in

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Speaker 4: our time, if it fits into our life, if fits

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Speaker 4: with our children, because the end game to me is

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Speaker 4: like happy children, you know, and them, you know, being

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Speaker 4: healthy enough to be with them for as long as

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Speaker 4: we can, and you know, take care of them as

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Speaker 4: much as we want to.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's so funny.

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Speaker 1: It's like, the more I talk to you, the more

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Speaker 1: I realize why we're such good friends. We're actually really

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00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: similar creatures. But I just want to say I love you.

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Speaker 1: I you know, I talk about you your products probably

557
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Speaker 1: at least once a day.

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00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 2: Actually, I love you too.

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Speaker 1: I mean it, I mean it. I have so much

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Speaker 1: respect for you. I love your story, I love your kids.

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Speaker 1: I'm fortunate that I get to be with Charlie a lot.

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Speaker 3: But I just I love a great friend to us.

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Speaker 2: Please, this is such a great friend.

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Speaker 3: I love so grateful, I love it so happy. Malcolm

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Speaker 3: introduced us.

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Speaker 2: Oh he's the best. I love god. I love that man.

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 1: I love that man, and I love you and I'm

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Speaker 1: so happy for you. And you know, for my listeners,

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Speaker 1: if you have not tried doctor Barbera Sturm's products, you

571
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: have to. And if it's one product, I get asked

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Speaker 1: a lot when I do my ask me anything on

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Speaker 1: my social if I could afford one product, and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: oh god, oh god, oh god, I'm so obsessed with

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Speaker 1: like the beasts, it's here him now, or the decenter

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Speaker 1: it like me too. But I feel like one should

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Speaker 1: be the harlonic right one close.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the haluronic is a game changer.

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Speaker 4: But you know, also one when I started, when I

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Speaker 4: started using I think you only should use Storm. And

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Speaker 4: if you only can have one product, I would do

582
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Speaker 4: the face cream because that's how you need to start with.

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Speaker 4: And then if you can add the next one, you

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Speaker 4: do the haluronic.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and you have a serum and then.

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Speaker 4: The face room, so then you're good. Your skin would

587
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 4: be always glowing and beautiful and transformed.

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Speaker 3: And you love it.

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Speaker 2: I love an endoor.

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Speaker 1: You have the best time, go skiing for me, get

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Speaker 1: to sleep I think it's late there, or have dinner,

592
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: or have a glass of wine or something.

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00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 2: But I love you, all of it, all of it.

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Speaker 2: Let's be real.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Barbersturm is absolutely one of the sweetest people I know.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy that we got to really dig more

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Speaker 1: into her background because as well as I may know somebody,

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00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: when I have them on the podcast, you really uncover,

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Speaker 1: you know, just more layers of how they came to

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Speaker 1: be the success that they are. And you know, I

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Speaker 1: think she is so interesting because, as she said, she

602
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Speaker 1: was a very young mom and an older mom, and

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Speaker 1: you know, that's a real interesting challenge in life to

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Speaker 1: try and figure out how to do both simultaneously, and

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Speaker 1: you know how to do it the second time around,

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Speaker 1: as you know, being sort of more of a grown up,

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Speaker 1: I like to say. And she did it while building

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Speaker 1: her career, which I have to tell you is one

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Speaker 1: of the greatest challenges that a parent could ever face,

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Speaker 1: because you have to leave a lot, and especially when

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Speaker 1: it's your business and your brand, it's like there's no

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Speaker 1: one that can show up instead of you.

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Speaker 2: She just does that so beautifully.

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Speaker 1: And I know that there isn't video of Barbara, but

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Speaker 1: you know, you can certainly find her on my Instagram,

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Speaker 1: on her Instagram.

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Speaker 2: She is strikingly beautiful.

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Speaker 1: And I will say that her skin is literally glowing

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Speaker 1: twenty four hours a day, like when she sleeps, when

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Speaker 1: she wakes up.

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Speaker 2: I've seen her at all hours.

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Speaker 1: I've seen her with not a stitch of makeup on

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Speaker 1: except like lip bomb, and I mean, she really does

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Speaker 1: practice what she preaches. Thank you so much for listening

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