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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of iHeartRadio. Hello everyone,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to Too Much Information, the show that brings

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Speaker 1: you the secret history and lin loan facts behind your

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Speaker 1: favorite music, movies, TV shows, and more. We are your

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Speaker 1: blended family of banality, your step siblings of stories. You're Marcia,

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Speaker 1: Marcia Marsha's of Minutia. You're An B. Davis's of the

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Speaker 1: Deep Dive, speaking to you live from the confines of

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Speaker 1: a three by three square grid. My name is Jordan Runtug,

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Speaker 1: and I'm Alex Eigel. And folks gather around because here's

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Speaker 1: the story of a man named Brady, a lovely lady,

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Speaker 1: and six adorable kids. We're gonna talk all about the

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Speaker 1: way they became The Brady Bunch. It's certainly on the

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Speaker 1: Mount Rushmore beloved classic sitcom, despite the fact that it's

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Speaker 1: kind of not a good show. But I say that

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Speaker 1: with love because look, I was raised by Nick at Knight,

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Speaker 1: and I will go to bat for anything that was

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Speaker 1: part of their programming, especially during the block Party Summer era.

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Speaker 1: The Brady Bunch was one of those shows that I

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Speaker 1: think I rarely sought out, but I washed a lot

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Speaker 1: simply because it was there. I called this the sprite phenomenon.

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Speaker 1: It's what you drink at the birthday party when the

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Speaker 1: two lead bottles of coke and rupie are empty. Because

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Speaker 1: I mean, did you know anybody who actively seeks out sprite?

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Speaker 1: I saw it out. Sprat was my go to hangover here.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, okay, sprite causes alcohol will be broken down

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Speaker 1: more quickly metabolized more quickly. Is that true according to

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Speaker 1: some study in Japan that I just made up. No,

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Speaker 1: I actually did look this up. Yeah, so my go

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Speaker 1: to hangover cure was coconut water and sprite. Oh wow, Okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, they could have gone it was Sierra miss.

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Speaker 1: It just kind of flies in the face of my theory.

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Speaker 1: But mellow yellow. Mellow yellow fits more into the Brady

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Speaker 1: the Melo yellow theory. Okay. Anyway, the point stands, Brady

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Speaker 1: Bunch just sort of absorbed it. But obviously there are

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Speaker 1: super fans still to this day, nearly fifty four years

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Speaker 1: after it pimired on ABC. You know, it's a dose

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Speaker 1: of nostalgia that goes down easily. But it's unique in

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Speaker 1: that it's nostalgia isn't tethered to the generation who came

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Speaker 1: of age with The Brady Kids. Show creator Sherwood Shorts

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Speaker 1: had a very simple explanation for why this show continues

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Speaker 1: to endure across multiple generations. He said, I think it's

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Speaker 1: because the stories are drawn from a child's point of view,

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Speaker 1: which is rare in television history. High go. I know,

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Speaker 1: we talked about this earlier and I correctly deduced that

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Speaker 1: this was not a big one for you. But surely

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Speaker 1: you must have some thoughts or memories on the Brady Bunch,

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Speaker 1: even just through culturals. Moses, Yeah, I mean, maybe just

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Speaker 1: rerun blocks again, like just on TV when you're a

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Speaker 1: when the one Brady fell in love with that mean

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Speaker 1: model lady Drink Curry Drink Curry, America's Next Top Model

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Speaker 1: That's all I read, that's all. And they the movies, right,

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Speaker 1: So I appreciated that. And also, as is so often

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Speaker 1: its lightweight status. We forget that this family, especially the kids,

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Speaker 1: I'd say they earn their boring, slightly lobotomized lives after

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Speaker 1: Brady Bunch. So here's the story. You have to stop using.

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Speaker 1: The story The Brady Bunch began in nineteen sixty five

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Speaker 1: when television producer Sherwood Schwartz came across a small article

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Speaker 1: The Brady Buns production for seemingly jacking their script idea.

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Speaker 1: Is that one of the better ones? No, I mean,

425
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Speaker 1: none of them are. After after Blue Hawaii, they all

426
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 1: kind of took another of Las Vegas is okay, I guess,

427
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 1: but yeah, not one of the good ones. She was

428
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: reportedly the only easy casting decision for the show because

429
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: Sherwood Schwartz was so thoroughly charmed by her lisp. He

430
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,919
Speaker 1: recalls her saying, I was on an epithode of gun smoke.

431
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,199
Speaker 1: I was on a wharf and I got frightened by

432
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Speaker 1: a snake. And that was the end of the audition

433
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,919
Speaker 1: she had the part. Rather than send her to a

434
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Speaker 1: speech therapist, Sherwood allowed her to speak naturally on the show.

435
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: Generous of him, Let's make let's make this temporary speech

436
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: impediment the defining characteristic of the rest of your life,

437
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 1: and even incorporated into an episode called a first Full

438
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Speaker 1: of Reasons. What don't it's like a fistful of dollars? Yeah,

439
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 1: but there's a lisp thing in there. First God, these

440
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: people are where She was teased by the buddy Bully Hinton,

441
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: who taunted her by chanting, baby talk, baby talk, it's

442
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 1: a wonder you can walk. Olsen regularly worked with a

443
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Speaker 1: speech therapist until the age of nineteen, and ultimately under

444
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Speaker 1: went surgery to assist with this. Is that something that

445
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 1: we both share? Weren't we I was treated for disfluent

446
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 1: speech as a as a little kid. I'd a lisp yeah, yeah,

447
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 1: look at us now acting suddenly seeking Susan. I have

448
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 1: no problem with my esses anymore, thanks to the Central

449
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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania Public school system. I'm I'm surprised I wasn't taken

450
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Speaker 1: out back and shot. It was an episode in season

451
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Speaker 1: two where Cindy tattles on everyone at her family, and

452
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Speaker 1: this had tragic consequences in her social life. When she

453
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Speaker 1: was shunned by the kids at her school, who assumed

454
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Speaker 1: that she and Cindy were one and the same. I

455
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: was teased mercilessly, she was quoted as saying in twenty nineteen,

456
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Speaker 1: I know about bullying, but I had really good parents

457
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Speaker 1: who gave me a lot of wisdom. I was being

458
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Speaker 1: bullied because other kids were jealous. One time, I was

459
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Speaker 1: riding my bike around the neighborhood and saw a group

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Speaker 1: of kids playing on a big mound of dirt. I

461
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Speaker 1: wanted to go play with them same, so I got

462
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Speaker 1: up my nerve and rode my bike over to them

463
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Speaker 1: and tried to play with them. They started throwing dirt

464
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Speaker 1: at me, saying, Brady Bratt, go home. I thought, wait

465
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Speaker 1: a minute, I'm on a TV show and I have

466
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Speaker 1: so much fun. I don't blame them for being jealous.

467
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: I'd rather be on that TV show than playing on

468
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Speaker 1: a mound of dirt, so let them have their dirt.

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Speaker 1: What a hilariously specific anecdote. Sometimes life is like that.

470
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 1: Susan Olsen actually started an inadvertent feud with another TV

471
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Speaker 1: star at the time. She wanted to give herself sausage

472
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Speaker 1: curl pigtails. Are you really you're making this? That's what

473
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Speaker 1: they call it, sausage curl pigtails, as I've seen them

474
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Speaker 1: described to look like. Another cute blonde TV star at

475
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Speaker 1: the time, a Nissa Jones who played the character Buffy

476
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Speaker 1: on the show Family Affair, starting Sebastian Cabot and Brian Keith,

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Speaker 1: the dad from the original Parent Trap movie. That's a

478
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Speaker 1: real trifecta of your interests. No is it good? I mean,

479
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Speaker 1: this is definitely a segment that's for my fellow millennial

480
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Speaker 1: kids who spent way too much time watching TV land

481
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Speaker 1: as a kid, M four of them. Yeah, it's a

482
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: mid sixties sitcom. No, it's not one of the good ones. Well,

483
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: the character of Cindy seemed modeled after the Buffy character,

484
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Speaker 1: right down at the creepy doll she carried around. Buffy

485
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 1: had a doll named Missus Beasley, and Cindy had Kitty Carryall.

486
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Speaker 1: Another actress on The Family Affair, Kathy Garver, who played

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Speaker 1: Buffy's older sister Sissy, was not pleased with this, and

488
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Speaker 1: she told Fox News as much a few years back, saying,

489
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Speaker 1: if you watch the show The Brady Bunch, you see

490
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: Susan Olson dressed up like a Nissa Jones was on

491
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Speaker 1: our show, wearing a mini dress and supporting the two

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Speaker 1: blonde pigtails, carrying a doll around all the time, just

493
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Speaker 1: like a Nissa did. And she Susan Olsen has gone

494
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Speaker 1: on TV shows and has admitted that they were trying

495
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Speaker 1: to copy the success of our show with that character.

496
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Speaker 1: Anissa Jones is kind of like the original child Star

497
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Speaker 1: with a tragic after story. She died in nineteen seventy

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Speaker 1: six at the age of eighteen in Los Angeles, and

499
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Speaker 1: the corner said it was one of the biggest drug

500
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 1: overdoses he had ever seen. And for an LA Area

501
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: coroner to say that in nineteen seventy six, that's saying something.

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00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: There are traces of cocaine, PCP, queyludes and second all

503
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: found in her bloodstream, as well as a small vial

504
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: of blue liquid next to her, which was never identified.

505
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 1: So yeah, if the show Family Affair is sort of

506
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Speaker 1: permanently asterisked, one not permanently asterisk but I mean it's

507
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 1: sort of it lives on given that history, that unfortunate history,

508
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: I should say. Susan Olsen went on to become a

509
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 1: hydroponic weed grower at the advice of her then husband

510
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 1: when this was still technically illegal. She would say that

511
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Speaker 1: this was one of the reasons that they got divorced,

512
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Speaker 1: and she went on to host what many have described

513
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Speaker 1: as a right leaning radio program on LA Talk Radio

514
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Speaker 1: until she parted company with the network. She denies that

515
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: she was fired due to alleged slash reported islamophobic and

516
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: homophobic remarks that you can google that we would not

517
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Speaker 1: be reading on this show. Where were we the seventies?

518
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: Your favorite Cindy related Brady stories. There's a scene in

519
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: the episode Cindy Brady Lady where she struggled to memorize

520
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: her lines and as she left the kitchen set. At

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00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: the end of the scene, she can be seen breaking

522
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: character and sticking her tongue out. That's because she thought

523
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Speaker 1: that they were still rehearsing and she was growing frustrated.

524
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Speaker 1: They left the shot in what you call one of

525
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: the many sloppy editing decisions made on the show. Yeah,

526
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: have it out for the Brady Bunch editing team. I mean,

527
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Speaker 1: I think this was because it was just pre DVRs

528
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: and home video, so I guess, you know, it was

529
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: assumed that no and whatever. Notice. Yeah, I guess that's fair.

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00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: There are numerous instances of continuity, as in The Brady

531
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Speaker 1: Bunch Jan wearing a green hairtie one scene, brown and another,

532
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: Greg wearing beetle boots in one scene and sneakers in another.

533
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: One of the biggest examples is in the season two

534
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Speaker 1: episode The Winner, where Mike and Carol Brady take Bobby

535
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: to a local TV station to compete in an ice

536
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: cream eating competition. He didn't have a trophy, was the

537
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: only Brady get without a trophy, so they took him

538
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: the competition that he had a chance in hell of winning.

539
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: It's good. They leave their house in a blue convertible

540
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: and return home in a brown station wagon. He lost

541
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: so badly that to give him the car, Yeah, that's egregious.

542
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: And then there were times the show would recycle Marsha's

543
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: outfit for other characters later a few episodes later. For example,

544
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Speaker 1: the orange and white miniskirt outfit she wears in the

545
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: episode where she meets Davy Jones shows up later on

546
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: a character in the background. That's just due to the

547
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: Brady family's largesse. They were just they were just handing

548
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: out there. They're they're clothes to children in the neighborhood

549
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: where it once and then burn it And then Carol

550
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: was like, no, honey, I said burn it, and then

551
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: she snuck it out back. And we're gonna talk about

552
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: the Brady family patriarch, Mike Brady, But you need to

553
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: take this next sectionist with your beloved Gene Hackman. Oh,

554
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: come on you, how did you not talk about Susan

555
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: Olsen's art? Yeah, take us there, my dude. Susan Olson

556
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: in July of twenty twelve was one of a number

557
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Speaker 1: of artists and celebrities invited to show their work at

558
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Speaker 1: the Pas Gallery in Fulton, California called Art with an Agenda,

559
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: an exhibit inspired by Kelly Thomas. Kelly Thomas was a

560
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Speaker 1: homeless man of schizophrenia who died five days after being

561
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: severely beaten by members of the Fullerton Police Department At

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00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: thirty seven. Olsen's Peace was titled still Life and showed

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Speaker 1: a half eaten doughnut in a puddle of blood besides

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Speaker 1: a lit flashlight. All Right, onto the parents for the

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Speaker 1: Brady family patriarch. The production ultimately got actor Robert Reid,

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Speaker 1: who we will get to, but originally Sherwood Schwartz had

567
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Speaker 1: his sights set on it Gene Hackman, Baby, Popeye, Fine

568
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Speaker 1: Doyle oh Man, only if he did it in characters

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Speaker 1: Popeye just dropping racial slurs and drunk running over shopping

570
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: cards under the elevated track in Brooklyn oh Man. The

571
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Speaker 1: studio overseeing the production, Paramount, killed the idea sadly. Even

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Speaker 1: though Hackman had just had his big breakout role in

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Speaker 1: the Oscar winning Bonnie and Clyde as Buck Barrow, he

574
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: still wasn't a big enough name for the studio to

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Speaker 1: consider him as a lead in their new sitcom. Sherwood

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00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: later said Paramount wouldn't even okay Gene Hackman for an

577
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Speaker 1: interview because he had a very low tv Q. Tv

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Speaker 1: Q is a survey that executives used to determine the

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Speaker 1: audiences familiarity with performances like a like a Q store.

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Speaker 1: They weren't commenting on Gene Hackman's intelligence, which is very high. No, yeah,

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00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: both emotional and intellectual, I'm told. But the year after

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00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: The Brady Bunch debuted, Gene Hackman, with no TVQ started

583
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Speaker 1: in a little picture called The French Connection and won

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Speaker 1: the Academy Award for Best Actor and has been a

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00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: major star ever since. So take that paramount well, folks.

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00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: Gene Hackman hates many things, as we've talked about on

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00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: this show, but he probably wouldn't have hated the role

588
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: of Mike Brady as much as the man who did

589
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: ultimately play him. The network wanted to go with Robert

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Speaker 1: Reid because he had a lead role in a popular

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Speaker 1: early sixties legal drama, The Defenders, which earned a whopping

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Speaker 1: thirteen Emmys during its run, which is thirteen more than

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Speaker 1: The Brady Bunch ever won. So not only did he

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Speaker 1: have audience recognition from that show, but he also was

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00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: under contract a paramount at the time to do a

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Speaker 1: TV pilot version of the Neil Simon Broadway show Barefoot

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Speaker 1: in the Park, which had recently been made into a

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Speaker 1: movie with Robert Redford and Jane Fonda, I cannot stress

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Speaker 1: us enough. Robert Reid, the Brady Bunch Dad was a

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Speaker 1: capital s serious actor. He trained at the Royal Academy

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Speaker 1: of Dramatic Arts. He was a member of the Actor's

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00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: studio in New York City for thirty years, and he

603
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: was a member of a Shakespeare company. So he can

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00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: almost be forgiven for feeling that the role of Mike

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00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: Brady was somewhat beneath him. I am really hard pressed

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Speaker 1: to name an actor who, from the very start so

607
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: fiercely hated the role that made him famous. He initially

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Speaker 1: said that when the show was pitched to him, it

609
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Speaker 1: was a semi serious adult drama about modern blending families,

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00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: and then somewhere along the line this shifted. In an

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Speaker 1: interview in nineteen eighty eight, Robert Reids quoted as saying,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have given the shows a nicol's chance of succeeding.

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00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: He would often go into Sherwood Schwartz's office and say, Sherwood,

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Speaker 1: I gotta get out of this. I can't believe he

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Speaker 1: talked me into this. In a nineteen eighty three interview,

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Speaker 1: Robert Reid admitted that he often budded head with Schwartz,

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Speaker 1: saying we fought over the scripts, always over the scripts.

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Speaker 1: The producer D Shwarts had done Gilligan's Island, which was

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Speaker 1: just gag lines. That would have been what the Brady

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Speaker 1: Bunch was had I not protested and Shrewd Schwartz was

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Speaker 1: so frustrated with Robert Reid that he repeatedly asclaimed over

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Speaker 1: the years that had the show been renewed for a

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Speaker 1: sixth season, it was canceled before that, he would have

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00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 1: either killed off Mike Brady or replaced the actor playing him,

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00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: Darren Stevens in Bewitched. That's what they did to the

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Speaker 1: Darren Stevens character. Shrewd Shwarts later said of Reid, television

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00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: in general was beneath him, and situation comedy was beneath television.

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00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: In his opinion, he wound up on a show that

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Speaker 1: he didn't want to do in the first place, and

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Speaker 1: it became more and more difficult for him and Sherwood.

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Speaker 1: Schwartz tried to placate Robert Reid by letting him direct

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Speaker 1: a few episodes, which is an old producer's trick to

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Speaker 1: keep stars happy, like they would do on mash for example.

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Speaker 1: With all in all, the but Unfortunately, Robert Reid could

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Speaker 1: not be placated so easily. He frequently set Sherwood Swartz

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Speaker 1: handwritten memos questioning his character's motivation or the emotional authenticity

637
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: of a scene, and he was also a stickler for facts.

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00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: He once held up production by arguing about the implausibility

639
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 1: of his characters slipping on an egg, and he only

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00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: agreed to shoot the scene after he dropped the egg

641
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: for real and accidentally slipped, which he said later, you know,

642
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 1: the whole way down. As I was following, I thought, geez,

643
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: I probably deserve this. He was a sliver of self awareness.

644
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. He once complained about the quality of fake

645
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: ink that stayed to Alice the Housekeeper's uniform, prompting him

646
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: to dash off a furious, multi page letter to the

647
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: show's top brass, tearing apart the prop department and calling

648
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: the ink scene quote so unfunny that even a laugh

649
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: machine would bulk at it. But the most famous instance

650
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: of Robert Reid aka Mike Brady's nitpicking occurred on the

651
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: season four episode Jan the Only Child. And in this episode,

652
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: Carol Brady and Alice the Housekeeper were having a contest

653
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: see who could make the best strawberry dessert. The character

654
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: of Mike was supposed to walk in and say, it

655
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: smells like strawberry Heaven. Robert Reid refused to say this

656
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: line because strawberries don't smell when they're being cooked, and

657
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 1: he supposedly dragged out an encyclopedia to verify this angrily

658
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: to Sherwood Schwartz, and he wouldn't act the scene until

659
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: the line was changed too. I do believe I've died

660
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: and gone to strawberry Heaven, which is still pretty terrible.

661
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: Shrewrid Schwarts got so used to predicting this nitpicking that

662
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: he started brushing up on legal technicalities to ward off

663
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: any potential problems. For one episode, when Mike Brady installs

664
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: a pay phone in the house for his kids to use,

665
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: Robert Reid sure enough complained about this being totally implausible,

666
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: and Shrewrid Schwartz told him that it was in fact

667
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: legal to install payphone in a private residence in Santa Monica,

668
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: which is where Sherwood Swartz told him the Brady's lived,

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00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: and since he had never up to this point specified

670
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: where the Brady's lived, Robert Reid had no choice but

671
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 1: to storm off the set and drown his sorrows at

672
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: a bar near the Para Mountain lot, which he did

673
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: a lot. Apparently shooting in the afternoons with Robert Reid

674
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: was a little tricky. The final straw for Robert Reid

675
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: came while filming the final episode of Season five in

676
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four, when Greg Brady buys a hair tonic

677
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: from his younger brother Bobby and it turns his hair orange.

678
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: Robert Reid supposedly objected because, among many other things, the

679
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: product wasn't FDA approved. He wrote a lengthy, extremely eloquent

680
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: memo to Sherwood Schwartz and his staff which is inexplicably

681
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 1: available to read on the Steve Hoffman forums, which is

682
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: usually a forum for music stuff, but it's on there.

683
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: And in this memo he evokes Hamlet and Citizen Kane

684
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: and it's actually a really fascinating document which I encouraged

685
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: everybody's interested to go check out, in which Robert Reid

686
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: outlines what he calls the quote fundamental difference between melodrama, drama, comedy, farce,

687
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: slapstick satire, and fantasy. He draws on all of his

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00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: actor training in this memo it's pretty impressive. I have

689
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: to say I'd like to read some of it because

690
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: I find it both interesting and also it's just so

691
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 1: incongruous coming from the guy who played Mike Brady. He writes,

692
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: these styles of comedy require not only a difference in

693
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: terms of construction, but also in presentation and most explicitly,

694
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 1: styles of acting. The dramatis personai are non interchangeable. For example, Hamlet,

695
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: archetypical of the dramatic character, could not be written into

696
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: Shakespeare's Midsummer Night's Dream and still retain his identity. Ophelia

697
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: could not play a scene, but Titania Richard the Second

698
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: could not be found in Twelfth Night. In other words,

699
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: a character indigenous to one style of the theater cannot

700
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: function in any other styles. The boundaries are rigid, and

701
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: within the confines of one theatric piece, the style must

702
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: remain constant. Why it has a long since proven theorem

703
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: in the theater that an audience will adjust its suspension

704
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: of belief to the degree that the of the presentation

705
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: leads them. When a curtain rises on two French maids

706
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: in a farce set discussing the peccadillos of their master.

707
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: The audience is now set for an evening of theater

708
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: in a certain style and are prepared to accept having

709
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: excluded certain levels of reality. And that is the price

710
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,720
Speaker 1: difference in the styles of theater, both for the actor

711
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 1: and the writer. The degree of reality inherent. Pure drama

712
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: and comedy are closest to core realism. Slapstick and fantasy

713
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: are far less removed. It was also part of that

714
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: theorem that one cannot change styles. Midstream television falls under

715
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 1: exactly the same principle. What the networks and their oversimplification

716
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: called sitcoms are actually quite diverse styles, except when bastardized

717
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: by careless writing or performing. For instance, Mash is comedy,

718
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: The Paul Lynden Show is farce, the Beverly Hillbillies is slapstick,

719
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: Batman is satire, and a drew of genius fantasy. Imagine

720
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: Archie Bunkers suddenly landing on Gilligan's Island. The maximum implicit

721
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: and all this is when the first act curtain rises

722
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: on a comedy, the second act curtain has to rise

723
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: on the same thing, with the actors playing commiserate styles.

724
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: If it isn't already clear, not only does the audience

725
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: accept a certain level of belief, but so must the

726
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: actor in order to function at all. His consciousness opens

727
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: like an iris to allow the proper amount of reality.

728
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 1: And it was acting subtext, and all of the actors

729
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: in the same piece must deal with the same level,

730
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: or the audience will not know to whom to adjust,

731
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: and will often empathize with the character with the most

732
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: credibility total reality listening the most complete empathetic response. Example,

733
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: we are in the operating room and mash when the

734
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: usual pan shot across a mirror out of operating tables

735
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: filled with surgical teams at work. The leads are sweating

736
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: away at their work and at the same time engaged

737
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 1: in banter with the head nurse. Suddenly the doors fly

738
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: open and Batman appears. Sounds awesome. I'm gonna stop quoting

739
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,479
Speaker 1: now for a moment. This goes on for a while

740
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 1: before he gets back to The Brady Bunch. He says,

741
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: the most generic problem to date in The Brady Bunch

742
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: has been this almost constant scripted transposition of styles. He

743
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: writes a little more before criticizing certain specific previous episodes,

744
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: including a silent movie style pie throwing sequence that offended

745
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 1: him to his core in a previous episode. Without belaboring

746
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: the inequities of the script, which are varied and numerous.

747
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: The major point to all of this is once an

748
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: actor has geared himself up to play a given style

749
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: with its prescribed level belief, he cannot react to or

750
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: accept within the same confines of the piece a different style.

751
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 1: In other words, when the kid's hair turns red, it's

752
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: Batman in the operating room, I can't play it. Thus,

753
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: the memo ends, I cut out a tremendous amount. What

754
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: a bitch. So I'm gonna call this the dude rule

755
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,479
Speaker 1: from The Big Lebowski, as in, you're not wrong, Robert Reid,

756
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: You're just an asshole. That's my third rule that I

757
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: made a bulletop of my head for this episode. Sherwood

758
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: Swartz apparently didn't get this lengthy memo in time to

759
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: make any of these changes to the script, so he

760
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: simply cut Robert Reid from the scene and ultimately the

761
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 1: entire episode. Robert Reid showed up on the set anyway,

762
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: and things got weird and tense. Security reportedly offered to

763
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: have him removed, like physically carried off the set, but

764
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: Sherwood declined because he didn't want to do that to

765
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: him in front of the kids, and as a result,

766
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: Mike Brady was officially quote out of town for Greg's

767
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: high school graduation, which was taking place in that same episode,

768
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 1: and most importantly to the history of the series, it

769
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: meant that Mike Brady did not appear in the final

770
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: episode of The Brady Bunch, which was canceled before work

771
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: on the sixth season could begin. So that's all weird.

772
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: But to his credit, despite their differences, Sherwood Swartz praised

773
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: Robert Reid's professionalism and commitment to his performance. He later said,

774
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: whatever he chose to do, after arguing and fussing and

775
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: so forth, he would do it well. And he also

776
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: acknowledged the chemistry among the actors. It became very attached

777
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: to each other. Even Bob Reid, who was a personal

778
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: pain to me, loved the kids and they loved him.

779
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,479
Speaker 1: And yet to the kids on the set, Robert Reid

780
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: became like a second father. And in fact, the main

781
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: reason Robert Reid didn't quit The Brady Bunch to begin

782
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: with was that he didn't abandoned them, and he really

783
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: treated them as if they were his own kids. He

784
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: once took the kids on a trip to England because

785
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: he wanted to expose them to culture and Shakespeare, which

786
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: I find adorable, and he also gave them Super eight

787
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: cameras for Christmas to try to teach him about the

788
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: process of filmmaking, and on one occasion, his by the

789
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: book Pain in the Ass nitpicking actually saved the kids lives.

790
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 1: These season five episode The Cincinnati Kids was filmed to

791
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: the theme park in Cincinnati, and Robert Reid refused to

792
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,720
Speaker 1: allow the cast to shoot a scene on a roller

793
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: coaster until the camera equipment that was secured to the

794
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 1: front of one of the roller coaster cars had been

795
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: tested for safety, and during the test, the camera came

796
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: dislodged and rammed into the seats where they would have

797
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: been sitting. Susan Olson, who Cindy, was so freaked out

798
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: that she refused to ride the coaster at all and

799
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: a double was used for the scene. And Susan Olson

800
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 1: posted a message to Facebook a few years back praising

801
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: Robert Reid, who died in nineteen ninety two, as a

802
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: beloved father figure, explaining that the man who quote bottle

803
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: fed puppies when he wasn't quarreling with the heads of

804
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: networks shaped her heart as much as my biological parents did.

805
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: And in the same note, Susan Olson speculated that Robert

806
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: Reid struggled to accept his own homosexuality was a key

807
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: factor in his unhappiness, and I don't think he ever

808
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: came out in his lifetime, Like so many actors who

809
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: began their career in the fifties and sixties, he believed

810
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: that being openly gay would ruin his career. And Olson

811
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: wrote that those surrounding read for much of his life

812
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: quote shoved their own judgment down his throats, and sadly

813
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: he bought into it. He thought he was wrong. Because

814
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: homosexuality was so taboo, he could never make peace with himself.

815
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: He never allowed himself to have a genuine love. He

816
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 1: was forever tormented by his own disdain for the natural

817
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: inclinations that he was worn with. Bob was a family man.

818
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: Had he been allowed to form a relationship with another man,

819
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 1: he would have been the best husband ever. And Florence Henderson,

820
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 1: who played Carol Brady, echoed the sentiment in a two

821
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: thousand interview with ABC News. Here he was the perfect

822
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: father of this wonderful little family, a perfect husband, she said,

823
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,919
Speaker 1: but he was an unhappy person. I think had Bob

824
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: not been forced to live this double life, I think

825
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: it would have dissipated a lot of that anger and

826
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: frustration he had. I had a lot of compassion for

827
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: him because I knew he was suffering. Many associated with

828
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: the Brady Bunch production, including Florence Henderson and Barry Williams,

829
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: who played Greg Brady, sadly agreed that back in nineteen

830
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,959
Speaker 1: sixty nine, having an openly gay man playing a straight

831
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: sitcom father would have most certainly doomed the series and

832
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 1: probably would have caused the demise of the show. Barry

833
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: Williams acknowledged, and I think it would have hurt his

834
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: career tremendously. Robert Reid's sexuality was an open secret around

835
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: the set at the time, and Florence Henderson said that

836
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: when they were shooting their very first romantic scenes together

837
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: for the pilot, she could tell he was getting extremely

838
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 1: unco comfortable, and she could even see his heart beating

839
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 1: through his PJ shirt. When they were shooting scenes where

840
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: they kissed and sure with Schwartz all went over his head.

841
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: He was just demanding take after take and finally Florence

842
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: told him to back off and took Robert Reid aside

843
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: and they talked things out, and she said they spent

844
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: a lot of time rehearsing these love scenes in private

845
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: together so they could be more comfortable with each other

846
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: and ultimately would look more natural when it came time

847
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: to film them, which was done usually at the end

848
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: of the day after the kids went home. But yeah,

849
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: Robert Reid never discussed this homosexuality of the actors who

850
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: played his kids, and they all said later that he

851
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: probably would have been mortified to know that they knew.

852
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: It was a secret that went unspoken between the cast

853
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: until according to Susan Olsen Marine McCormick's wedding in nineteen

854
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: eighty five, she played Marsha. Susan said, we were all

855
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: sitting around talking and Bob hadn't shown up, and Marine said,

856
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: I wish she felt comfortable enough to bring a female

857
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: or mail date just to be here, and that's when

858
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: one by one we were all, like, you knew he

859
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: was gay too. I found out when I was nine

860
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,280
Speaker 1: from my mummy, but none of us ever talked about

861
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: it because we didn't think it was a big deal.

862
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: Robert Reid won critical acclaim and an Emmy nomination for

863
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: his groundbreaking role as Pat Kattison, a transgender doctor, in

864
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: a nineteen seventy five episode of Medical Center, and he

865
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: also reprised his role as Mike Brady in every Brady

866
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: related spinoff, which I think is kind of touching. Just

867
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: shows how close he felt to the rest of the cast,

868
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 1: including the short lived nineteen ninety dramaedy series The Bradys,

869
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: which we'll talk more about later. These episodes featured serious,

870
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: dramatic plot lines. For example, in the pilot episode, when

871
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: Bobby Brady, who dropped out of grad school to pursue

872
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 1: a career as a race car driver, has a horrific

873
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: car accident that leaves him paralyzed. Oh yeah, we'll talk

874
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: more about this later, but these episodes gay really serious.

875
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 1: Mike Brady gets involved in politics, and Peter Brady begins

876
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,280
Speaker 1: dating the abusive daughter of his political rival, and Marsha

877
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: spurtles with alcoholism as her deadbeat husband loses a series

878
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,240
Speaker 1: of jobs, resulting in the couple moving into the Brady

879
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: family home to save money. Yeah, it gets dark, so

880
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe Robert Reid felt vindicated that he

881
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: finally got his like serious Blendid family plot lines a

882
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: couple of decades later, but unfortunately this triumph was all

883
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: too brief because the show was canceled after six episodes

884
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: because people didn't want to see The Bradies living sad lives.

885
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,240
Speaker 1: That's why we watched The Bradies. We wanted to escape

886
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:27,479
Speaker 1: our own sad lives and even sadder. Robert Reid died

887
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: two years after The Bradies went off the air on

888
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 1: May twelfth, nineteen ninety two, of colon cancer at the

889
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: age of fifty nine. Way too young, and he was

890
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 1: HIV positive at the time of his death, which led

891
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: some outlets to an accurately report that he died of AIDS,

892
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,479
Speaker 1: which wasn't true, and weeks before his death, Robert Reid

893
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: called Florence Henderson and asked her to inform the rest

894
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: of his Brady Bunch family that he was terminally ill,

895
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: and he remains a beloved figure to his TV family

896
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: and his fans. He was rated the fourteenth greatest TV

897
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 1: dad of all time in a two thousand and four

898
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,760
Speaker 1: list published by TV Guy, which I think he's lovely,

899
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 1: although I kind of think he should have been higher,

900
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, Mike Brady has something of a tragic shadow

901
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: hanging over him. That's a complicated Uh, that's a complicated legacy.

902
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: I know, I know. I mean, great, great actor, great actor.

903
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: You know his last televised roles and Jake and the

904
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: Fat Man. Have I told you about Jake and the

905
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: Fat Man? No? I? Okay. I was going to text

906
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 1: you this story the other day, and I didn't because

907
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: it was the weekend. I didn't want to bother you

908
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: with more of my brain droppings. So there's Jake and

909
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 1: the Fatman is a running joke in my family. My

910
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: grandfather used to fall asleep in front of the TV,

911
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: and his wife used to always yell at him for

912
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: falling asleep in front of the TV. So to try

913
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: to like circumvent this, he would just randomly yell out

914
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: plot points whenever she was like in the other room

915
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: doing dishes or something, and he would just to try

916
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: to prove that he hadn't fallen asleep. Okay, okay. So

917
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 1: my parents drove to surprise my grandma grandpa like eight

918
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: hours to like a blizzard or something on Christmas. And

919
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: they arrived there and they left themselves. They opened the

920
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 1: door and let themselves in the house and they find

921
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: my grandfather sleep in front of the TV. And he

922
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: wakes with a start and he sees them and his

923
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 1: first thought isn't oh my god, my son and his

924
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: wife just drove from Massachusetts to Pennsylvania and see us

925
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: on the holiday, but was, oh my god, they're gonna

926
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: bust me for falling sleep in front of the TV.

927
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 1: So he just points at the TV and he's watching

928
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 1: Jake and the Fat Man, and he goes, they kidnapped

929
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: the Fat Man because I guess the character of the

930
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: Fat Man had been kidnapped, but out of context, they

931
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: kidnapped the fat Man. Yeah, my dad just hearing that

932
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: having driven through a blizzard for eight hours, and that

933
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: being the greeting from his father, just complete non sequitor,

934
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: just it is funny to him thirty five years later,

935
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: and it's become a catchphrase in my family. They kidnapped

936
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: the Fat Man. And I was going to text you

937
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: that this weekend because he came up and I thought

938
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: you'd find it funny. I can't believe you asked me that. Well,

939
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 1: as you meditate on that, we'll be right back with

940
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: more too much information after these messages, Well, pivoting from

941
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 1: that to Missus Brady, who's a lightness. Florence Henderson wasn't

942
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: even the original first choice to play the Brady matriarch.

943
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 1: Competition for the role was apparently very fierce. One actress

944
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: seeking the role sent Sherwood Schwartz nude photos. Do we

945
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: know who that was? I do not. I looked. Another

946
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: woman grabbed Schwartz's crotch when he went to shake her hand.

947
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: Neither of them got the part. When pre production first began,

948
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: Sherwood Schwartz wanted to keep the mom character similar to

949
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: Lucille Ball in the movie Yours, Mine and Ours, which

950
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier. To that end, they wanted Missus Brady to

951
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: be a wacky comedian Alla Lucy. They originally cast a

952
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: comedic actress named Joyce Bullefont, who was used in most

953
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: of the screen tests for the child actors during auditions,

954
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: and in fact one of the reasons that eve Plum

955
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,439
Speaker 1: landed the role of Jams because she looked a lot

956
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: like Joyce Bullfunt, But dynamics changed when they cast Anne

957
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: Bea Davis for the role of the housekeeper. Alice Davis

958
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: was an Emmy winning comedian, so to balance things out,

959
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: they decided to recast the other as someone more down

960
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: to earth. This was bad news for Bullefont, who later

961
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: told Fox News that she was signed, sealed, and delivered

962
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: to play the role of Carol Brady. As she was

963
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: trying on costumes. Three days before the pilot was to

964
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: begin shooting, Sherwood Schwartz broke the news about the recast,

965
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,240
Speaker 1: and Bullefont was understandably devastated. I had signed a seven

966
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: year contract, she recalled. The little girls were cast to

967
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: look like me. She got over it. She went on

968
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: to play a leading role in The Mary Tyler Moore

969
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: Show Or with cousin Oliver I believe we will talk

970
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: about later. Beforecasting Florence Henderson, producers tried to get her

971
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: best friend Shirley Jones, but Shirley Jones passed on the role,

972
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: as she put it, because she refused to play a

973
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: part where all she had to do was quote, take

974
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: a pot roast out of the oven. Of course, just

975
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: a year after the Brady entrepremiere, Shirley Jones would then

976
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: play Carol Brady's early seventies TV matriarch of an extra

977
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: large sized family rival on The Partridge Family that was

978
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: a hell of a dangling modifier, Thank you. And this

979
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: show aired an hour after The Brady Bunch on Friday

980
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: nights in ABC. He really did just a big old

981
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 1: family rock block on ABC. Huh they loved the Causeles, Yeah,

982
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: they're all pictures family based on the Causeles. Florence Henderson

983
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,280
Speaker 1: had impressive background in television. She'd been the first woman

984
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: two guest hosts The Tonight Show in nineteen sixty two,

985
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: between Jack Parr and Johnny Carson's tenure. That's really cool.

986
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: Good for her? Was she a stand up? She was

987
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: a sad She was like an all around entertainer. She

988
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: I think she had a Broadway background and sang. When

989
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: Henderson arrived late to do her screen test for The

990
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: Brady Bunch, she couldn't find anyone to do her makeup,

991
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: and she ultimately stumbled on a makeup room for Star Trek,

992
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 1: which briefly shared studio space with a Brady Bunch. Henderson

993
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: said she sat in a makeup chair between William Shatner

994
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: and Leonard Nimoy, both of whom ignored her. I think

995
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 1: she hated them for the rest of her life for

996
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: that reason, feeling slighted by them. That's fair. The Brady

997
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: Bunch Pilot was shot in September nineteen sixty eight. Why

998
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: is the Brady Bunch Pilot never included in stock news

999
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:28,439
Speaker 1: montage of the Turbulin Robert F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King,

1000
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:33,439
Speaker 1: The Brady Bunch premiere DNC riots in Chicago. They Bunch,

1001
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,760
Speaker 1: it didn't premiere. It was right, it was. The pilot

1002
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: was shown one of the many things that was shot

1003
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty eighth O. The Brady Bunch Pilot shot

1004
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,919
Speaker 1: in September of nineteen sixty eight, a full year before

1005
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: the show premiered on primetime, and during that time, Florence

1006
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: Henderson's cast in a movie musical called The Song of Norway,

1007
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: which was filming on location in Denmark, when she learned

1008
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: that the show going into production. As a result, the

1009
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: Brady Bunch began filming the first six episodes of the

1010
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: show without her while The Song of Norway wrapped in Europe. Weirdly,

1011
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: this movie also featured David Bowie's early girlfriend, Hermione Farthingale

1012
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: as a dancer. That's a fake name. You made that up,

1013
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: real name, he wrote. He wrote a song about it.

1014
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 1: Letter Hermione, She broke up with Bowie to take the role,

1015
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: and it left him heartbroken for the rest of his life.

1016
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: As you mentioned, the song Letter to Hermione appeared on

1017
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 1: the space out of the album and in the video

1018
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: for Where Are We Now in twenty thirteen, he can

1019
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: be seen wearing a T shirt that says the song

1020
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 1: of Norway. Okay man, well here we go. Wait a minute,

1021
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: you know David Bowie's real name is David Jones, Yes,

1022
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: and he changed it. One of the reasons is because

1023
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: he didn't want to be confused with David Jones of

1024
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: The Monkeys, who played a crucial role on The Brady Bunch,

1025
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: which we don't really get into much on this episode

1026
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: because we're too busy talking about go on coke, mostly

1027
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: political assassination's Adrina, chrome, police brutality. What else we touched on.

1028
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 1: But back to Florence Henderson. She was forced to wear

1029
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: a wig for the first season because her hair been

1030
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: cropped short for a Broadway production of South Pacific, which

1031
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 1: sadly featured none of David Bowie's exes. As revealed in

1032
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: the pilot, Carol Brady's maiden name was Tyler and her

1033
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: married name was Martin so there's been a great deal

1034
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: of speculation among fans as to what happened to Carol's husband.

1035
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 1: Mike Brady was a widower, but the show was always

1036
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: vague about what had ended Carol's previous marriage. Sureward Schwartz

1037
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: has said in several interviews that his intention was for

1038
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: Carol to have been a divorce, but divorce was still

1039
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: considered to be taboo for primetime television, especially for such

1040
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: a family friendly show. Towards the end of her life,

1041
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: Florence Henderson preferred to tell interviews that she'd murdered her

1042
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: first husband. She told the Huffington Post, I was the

1043
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 1: original black widow. Misty solved. Good for her. She's fun,

1044
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: she's awesome. She's on thirty Rock. Oh yeah yeah. By

1045
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 1: all accounts, Florence Henderson was a strong, powerful, inspiring lady

1046
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 1: who overcame poverty and neglect during the Great Depression when

1047
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,439
Speaker 1: she was the youngest of ten children. She later said

1048
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: that she modeled her character of Carol Brady as the

1049
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 1: mother that she'd always wanted. She was active until the end,

1050
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: attending a taping of Dancing with the Stars to cheer

1051
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: on her TV daughter Mauren McCormick just three days before

1052
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: her death and Thanksgiving twenty sixteen. We stand a loyal

1053
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: sitcom mom. And she was a hoot. She was a

1054
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: funny lady. I'm trying to remember some of the thirty Rock,

1055
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: the thirty Rock bits with her. Anyway, she has a

1056
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: cameo and the weird Owl music video for Amish Paradise

1057
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: and the opening of the MTV Movie Awards, which she

1058
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: does the Sharon Stone leg cross from Basic Instinct. I

1059
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: distinctly remember that. Okay, you're staring very closely at a

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00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: screen right now, which makes me wonder what you're looking at.

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00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: Oh that was related to no No, the episode of

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00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: the episode of thirty Rock. Um. Yeah, there's an episode

1063
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: where where Tracy is trying to uh, I don't know,

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00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: they're they're, they're, they're the whole thing where Kenneth is

1065
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: confusing real life and sitcoms and uh, Basically, Tracy has

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00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: bought Florence Henderson to come in and surprise Kenneth and

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00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: her line. As she walks in, Kenneth goes missus Brady

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00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: and she goes, I told the black guy here, none

1069
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: of that Brady stuff. And then she goes, let's get

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Speaker 1: this over with. Whose booking is this? Are you the

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00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: pervert who want to go to town on each other

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00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: while I make a pie good for her? Uh? Sorry?

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Speaker 1: In two thousand and two, she made memorable guest appearance

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00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 1: on the improvisational comedy show Whose Line Is Anyway, participating

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00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: in on screen kisses with Ryan Styles and Colin Mockery.

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00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: In two thousand and three, she made a self deprecating

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00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: turn a Pepsi twist, Pepsi twist. Wasn't that the lemon

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00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: pepsi friend of the pot pepsi twist? Oh? That should

1079
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: have been your That should have been the rule. Pepsi twist,

1080
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: the pepsi twist rule long before I have sprite. Oh

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00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: that's a hot take with Ozzy Osbourne. But there's one

1082
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: Florence Henderson's story that you cherry picked among decades of them.

1083
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: Less about the story and more about the fact that

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00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: she chose to share it at the age of seventy eight.

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00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: When she published her memoir, she had a one night

1086
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: stand with then New York Mayor John Lindsay and he

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00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: gave her crabs. The then married actress revealed what's the

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00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 1: name of her memboir? It's a non Brady title. Life

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00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 1: is Not a Stage. As the actress revealed in her

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00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: memoir Life Is Not a Stage. Henderson said that Mayor

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00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: Lindsay seduced her over drinks at the Beverly Hills Hotel.

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00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 1: Then she woke up the next morning to find quote

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00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 1: little black things crawling over her body. As she wrote

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00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: in the memoir, guess I into the hard way that

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01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: crabs do not discriminate, but crossover all socioeconomic strata. Mayor

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01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: Lindsay must have had quite the active life. What a

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01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: way to put the kibosh on a relationship. He apparently

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01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 1: sent her flowers and an apology note to make up

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01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: for it, but she got one hell of a story

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Speaker 1: from it. Yes, well, from pubic Lights, We returned to

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Speaker 1: the Brady Bunch. The show premiered on September twenty six,

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01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine, at eight pm, and one of the

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01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: big knocks against it then and now was that, despite

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01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: the whole blended family premise, the whole setup of the

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01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: show seemed kind of dated. In fifties Ish and Florence

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01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: Tennyson tried to get around this by lobbying the producers

1107
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: of the show to give Carol a job, but they

1108
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: insisted that she remained at home to reflect the experience

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01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: of the average American woman at the time in the

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Speaker 1: late sixties and early seventies. They ultimately compromised and gave

1111
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: her a bunch of volunteering permissions. You could work, but

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01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 1: you can't get paid more than just this format. The

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01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: actual look and style of the show made it basically

1114
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: an instant cultural relic, and hilariously, this was something that

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01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: the producers of the show actively considered and tried to prevent.

1116
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: The kids in the show hated their wardrobe and begged

1117
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: the costume designers for anything more fashionable to wear, but

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01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: Sherwood Schwartz refused because he wanted the show to run

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01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 1: in syndication and he didn't want to do anything too

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01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: trendy to make the show appeared dated. Nice work. They

1121
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 1: also kept writing in the word groovy into the scripts,

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01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: which left many of the kids, specifically Eve Plum, who

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01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: played Jan absolutely mortified. I just think it's so funny

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01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: that they actually went out of their way to consider

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01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 1: making it not look dated and somehow made it kind

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Speaker 1: of one of the most dated TV shows. Yeah, I

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01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 1: can consider, like well, die hard Brady Heads and I'm

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01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 1: sure there are some out there. We'll remember that the

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01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: Bradys had a pet dog in the first season who

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01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 1: was known as Tiger. The animal disappeared abruptly from the

1131
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: show without explanation and became something of a mystery slash

1132
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: running joke among fans, and the reason for Tiger's disappearance

1133
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 1: will have Pet up in arms. One evening after filming

1134
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: the season one episode Kuchu, in which Jan appears to

1135
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: be allergic to the family dog, Tiger's trainer took the

1136
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: dog out for his daily exercise walk on the Paramount lot,

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01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: and unfortunately, during this walk, Tiger was struck by a

1138
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 1: careless driver and killed. I'm going to go out on

1139
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 1: a limb and say it was the cigar chomping executive

1140
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 1: who did it. The trainer flew into a panic and

1141
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: reportedly spent the rest of the night frantically driving to

1142
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 1: every animal shelter in town trying to find an identical

1143
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 1: dog because they still had more scenes to shoot for

1144
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:42,439
Speaker 1: the episode, and amazingly, the Trader almost pulled this off.

1145
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: They did manage to find a dog that resembled the

1146
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: original Tiger, but the cast and crew got suspicious when

1147
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 1: they went back to filming these scenes, always discovered that

1148
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 1: the dog couldn't follow basic direction and was absolutely terrified

1149
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: by the noise and lights all. The only way the

1150
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: director got fake Tiger to stay in play during the

1151
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: emotional climactic scene where the boys were beating him Materiful

1152
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 1: Furwell was to nail his collar to the floor, and

1153
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 1: then the dog was written out of the show soon after,

1154
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 1: but the dog house remained in the backyard in mute tribute.

1155
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: I should say the backyard set. The only reason it

1156
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: was left there was at a hot stage light burnt

1157
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 1: a hole in the AstroTurf of the backyard set, so

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01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 1: they put the dog house over to disguise it. We'll

1159
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: talk more about the house later, but the Brady Bunch

1160
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 1: house was pretty junkie for a guy who was supposedly

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01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: an architect. That was Mike Brady's job, right, Oh, you

1162
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 1: don't know, Yeah, I'm pretty sure it is an architect.

1163
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 1: During one scene when the boys were playing football in

1164
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 1: the backyard, you can actually see the AstroTurf that's supposed

1165
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 1: to be the lawn coming loose, and there were also

1166
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 1: missing tiles on the brick entryway. You don't want to

1167
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 1: talk about the dead cat. Oh yeah, there was also

1168
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 1: the Brady Girl's cat Fluffy, which was featured in the

1169
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: pilot and never seen him again. If you were allowed

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01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: to one know the whereabouts of the Brady Bunch's cat Fluffy,

1171
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: please tweet at us as someone does. Yeah. Well, The

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01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 1: Brady Bunch is one of those shows where you watch

1173
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: it and it really seems like everyone involved, from the

1174
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 1: creation on down to the actors was stoned out of

1175
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 1: their minds, and in one scene in particular, you would

1176
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: be right. The scene involved Greg Brady aka Barry Williams,

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01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 1: who was supposed to have a day off while filming

1178
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 1: the season four episode appropriately titled Law in Disorder in

1179
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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three, and Barry decided to spend his day

1180
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: off by smoking pot with his friends because it was

1181
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three in Los Angeles. Then he had an

1182
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 1: emergency call from the Brady Bunch producers calling him into

1183
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 1: the studio immediately to reshoot a scene, and Barry showed up,

1184
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: but it was pretty soon obvious to all concerned that

1185
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: he was in no condition to work. He was supposed

1186
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 1: to just comment on a new boat that his dad

1187
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 1: had just bought, but his delivery was stilted, his eyes

1188
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 1: were glazed, and for some reason he inexplicably tripped over

1189
01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 1: nothing in the backyard set, and ultimately the writer had

1190
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 1: to hastily rewrite the scene so that Barry had fewer

1191
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 1: lines it could just go home. He later wrote about

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01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 1: the incident on his blog, saying, I went through a

1193
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 1: stage of experimentation as a kid. I certainly never went

1194
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 1: to the set high again. But I don't like weed.

1195
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 1: It makes me dumb, paranoid and hungry. But perhaps the

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01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: most infamous incident concerning Greg Brady, and I would argue

1197
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 1: the most infamous incident concerning the series as a whole,

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01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 1: was the time that Barry Williams asked his TV mom

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Speaker 1: Florence Henderson out on a date. In his memoir Growing

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01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 1: Up Brady, I was a teenage Greg, he admitted to

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Speaker 1: having a crush on Florence, referring to her as quote

1202
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 1: a totally white hot babe. It's all in the emphasis

1203
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 1: and how you say that. Yeah, I know he was sixteen,

1204
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: she was thirty six. When those little things called hormones

1205
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 1: start kicking in, you get excited by even inanimate objects.

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Speaker 1: He wrote, somewhat ungallantly, I have to say. In the

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Speaker 1: chapter of his memoir memorably titled Dating Your Mom, it

1208
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 1: wasn't that I sought to bed her, he continued, I

1209
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: just wanted to spend time with her. That's the worst thing.

1210
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 1: That's the worst thing. Why did he phrase it like that.

1211
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 1: It wasn't that I sought to bed her, but I

1212
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 1: just wanted to spend time with her. It's the sought

1213
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 1: to bed. Who said, who says that a former seventies

1214
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 1: child star, I mean, well, yeah, that's true. Florence Henderson

1215
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 1: was married with four children of her own at the time,

1216
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 1: but she went out to dinner with Barry to the

1217
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 1: Coconut Grobe nightclub at the Ambassador Hotel where RFK was

1218
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 1: shot bringing it all back. They just saw what Florence

1219
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 1: described in her own memoir as a popular singer. I

1220
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 1: didn't give it all that much thought, though, since I

1221
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 1: would have gladly done the same for any of the

1222
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 1: other children if they had asked, she continued in her memoir.

1223
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: They were driven by Barry's older brother because Barry himself

1224
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 1: was too young to drive, and when it was all over,

1225
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 1: Florence gave him a peck on the cheek and that

1226
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 1: was it, and Florence Henderson later said the story was

1227
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 1: lightly exaggerated in Barry's memoir. She addressed the incident more

1228
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 1: directly on her website, writing that whole thing with Barry

1229
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 1: got blown way out of proportion. I guess in a

1230
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 1: sense it was a date. It was a date because

1231
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 1: Barry thought it was, but of course I had no

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01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 1: idea that his intentions were to quote date me. It

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01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 1: has made her a good story, though she added in

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01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 1: her memoir, what is very true is that Barry did

1235
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 1: have a serious crush on me, which I understood and

1236
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 1: helped him get past told him about the crabs thing.

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01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 1: Let us just say that if he had entertained the

1238
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 1: role in the hay with me, I would have never

1239
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 1: done that. Undeniably, we had a very special connection, and

1240
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 1: it goes without saying that I always felt like a

1241
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 1: surrogate mother to him and the rest of the kids.

1242
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 1: On a deeper level, I represented something to him that

1243
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 1: he admired. He loved music and knew I could sing.

1244
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 1: He also liked my work ethic and adopted it as

1245
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 1: he still does. He remained a dear friend. The proximity

1246
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 1: of Surrogate Mother and roll in the Hay, and that

1247
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 1: anecdote was a little too close to come for me.

1248
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 1: You know. Barry Williams had a six year live music

1249
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 1: review where he sings the songs of the seventies and

1250
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:15,440
Speaker 1: can you guess where Tahoe? So close? Reno Branson, Missouri.

1251
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 1: Always I knew he lived in Branson. Yeah, there's a

1252
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: giant Titanic museum in Branson, as Branson like an epicenter

1253
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 1: of all my interests. Mid century kitchen Titanic apparently. Yeah. Wow,

1254
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 1: Just to wrap up the whole Barry Williams sleeping with

1255
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 1: the yeah Yeah. In twenty fourteen, during an appearance on

1256
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 1: The Talk celebrating Florence Henderson's eightieth birthday, Barry Williams surprised

1257
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:43,680
Speaker 1: his TV mom with a passionate kiss before telling the

1258
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:46,600
Speaker 1: crowd That's something I've been waiting forty years to do.

1259
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 1: But still, it's just weird that he made that like

1260
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 1: his like the defining anecdote for his life. Yeah, yes

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01:08:55,000 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, that's the quiet part, lad hig Thank

1262
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 1: you Haigle. That is the joke. Okay, okay, cool, cool,

1263
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 1: Thanks Ted, that was the joke. Thank you, Ted. That

1264
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:10,760
Speaker 1: was the joke. Yeah. Oh, he's got a podcast where

1265
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 1: he goes episode with yeah, episode by episode if it's

1266
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 1: doing better than our shelf and kill myself. Well, what's

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Speaker 1: it called the Brady Brothers or something real? The real

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01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 1: Brady bros. Hell it is portion is the only part.

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01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 1: The only thing that's important is that we're having fun

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01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 1: and we're still to your friends. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

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01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 1: So Bear Williams did not have a sexual encounter with

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01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:49,640
Speaker 1: his TV mom in the seventies nailed it, but he

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01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 1: did have a sexual encounter with his TV sister, which

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01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 1: is almost as good slash bad. He also talked about

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01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 1: this in his memoir. There have been some sexual tension

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01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 1: mounting I Travelish said mounting there between Barry Williams and

1277
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 1: Marine aka Marsha McCormick on the set, and it was

1278
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:09,559
Speaker 1: fairly obvious to the crew. While filming a scene with

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01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 1: a two sat on a bed for an episode called

1280
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 1: a Room at the Top, where they battled over who

1281
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 1: got the private room in the attic. The director kept

1282
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 1: having the reshoot because the body language between the two

1283
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 1: of them was just too flirty. And Sherwood Schwartz's son Lloyd,

1284
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 1: who worked on the show resorted to asking each actor

1285
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 1: to make a fist and place it between them as

1286
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 1: they sat on the bed, telling them to maintain that

1287
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:33,679
Speaker 1: amount of distance at all times during the scene, which

1288
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 1: is basically the sitcom production equivalent of the teacher at

1289
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 1: the middle school dance, you know, going around telling all

1290
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 1: the slow dancing tweens to leave room for Jesus. They

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01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 1: were apparently fairly serious, at least on an emotional level. Marine,

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01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:51,600
Speaker 1: I can't I can't bring myself to say this. I

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01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 1: wanted to lose her virginity to Bury, which is a

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01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 1: sweet she said in her memoir. There was apparently an

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01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 1: instance when and Barry had Marine over to his parents'

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01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 1: house for dinner, and then after dinner, he took her

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01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:07,639
Speaker 1: up to their bedroom where they listened to some Barry White,

1298
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 1: which sounds like a polite euphemism, but that's real. But

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01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 1: they were unfortunately interrupted by his mother calling them down

1300
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 1: for dessert, which also sounds like a euphemism, but it

1301
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 1: is not. This has somehow become the filthiest episode we've

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01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 1: ever done. Is anyone ever have they ever dressed his uh?

1303
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 1: The twin sests from Game of Thrones? That would be

1304
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 1: a funny bit. Oh wow, oh yeah, you know William

1305
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: Marine McCormick is uh Cercy and ERTs? What lertees Layerties?

1306
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 1: You think there's a character on Game of Thrones named Larerties?

1307
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 1: Do you think I've seen Game of Thrones? Given how

1308
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 1: much I know about the Brady bunch, do you actually

1309
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 1: think there's overlap in my brain for that? You get

1310
01:11:55,479 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 1: Layerties from Greek? Maybe, I don't know. It's probably a

1311
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 1: name I've only seen written and I'm like, I just

1312
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 1: assume that was how you pronounced this. Jamie Lanister, oh

1313
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 1: no from New England, Yeah, Lanister anyway. Marie McCormick and

1314
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:22,719
Speaker 1: Barry Williams aka Marsha and Greg Brady finally kissed while

1315
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 1: filming a three part episode in Hawaii for the show's

1316
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 1: fourth season in nineteen seventy two. The pair reportedly snuck

1317
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 1: out after curfew and took a moonlight stroll on the

1318
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 1: beach where they kissed, and Barry described it in his

1319
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 1: memoir as quote, something I've been meaning to do for

1320
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:39,679
Speaker 1: a long time, which I think is the same line

1321
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 1: he used on Florence Henderson m Unfortunately it was not

1322
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 1: quite as pleasant a memory from Marie McCormick, who ultimately

1323
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 1: was still weirded out by the whole TV brother thing.

1324
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:55,320
Speaker 1: She wrote about the incident in her own memoir, Here's

1325
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:58,639
Speaker 1: the Story, Surviving Marsha Brady and Finding My True Voice

1326
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 1: described the incident. It's always bad when you describe a

1327
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 1: romantic encounter with the word incident. Describing the incident like

1328
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 1: a pulpy romantic novel, we couldn't hold back any longer,

1329
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:12,639
Speaker 1: she wrote, That's not how you read a romantic, pulpy novel,

1330
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 1: but I'm just going to go with it. It was

1331
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 1: our first kiss, and it was long, passionate and deep.

1332
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:20,599
Speaker 1: Then it finally hit me, oh my god, I'm kissing

1333
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 1: my brother. What am I doing? Things understandably cooled after

1334
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 1: that from her end at least, and Sherbert Schwartz was

1335
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:32,879
Speaker 1: understandably worried about his two teenage leads having relationship because

1336
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 1: this would almost certainly end in disaster. So he had

1337
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 1: his son Lloyd take Barry Williams aside and diffuse the

1338
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:43,040
Speaker 1: whole thing, which he basically did by saying, why limit

1339
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 1: yourself use marine to get to her hot friends the seventies?

1340
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 1: How does her story get worse? Before it gets better.

1341
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 1: Yeah it does. Oh you didn't put her coke stuff

1342
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 1: in here, did you? Oh yeah, I'm reading it. Sorry

1343
01:13:57,960 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 1: you read it? Well, take us there, take us there?

1344
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 1: And oh yeah, Barry Williams fell off a surfboard and

1345
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 1: got hurt in Hawaii. Yeah it was bad anyway. Yeah, thay,

1346
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 1: thank us there. So the story wasn't nine. It's gonna

1347
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:11,680
Speaker 1: be nice. It's gonna be longer than the Titanic Trilochie,

1348
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:14,639
Speaker 1: Let's get to the Let's get to the Marsha Brady

1349
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 1: cocaine stuff. Okay, okay. Marie McCormick would go on to

1350
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 1: have several other high profile seventies pop culture relationships, including

1351
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 1: with Michael Jackson while he was still a member of

1352
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 1: the Jackson Five. She wrote in her memoir Once we

1353
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 1: went ice skating, and he held my hand as we

1354
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 1: glided around the rink. I wondered if he might try

1355
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 1: to kiss me, but he didn't. After another outing, after

1356
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:41,559
Speaker 1: another outing, he did give me a kiss goodbye, but

1357
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 1: it was only a gentle peck on the cheek. Less

1358
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 1: cute was a date with Steve Martin a few years later,

1359
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 1: after the Brady Bunch had ended. Apparently Martin had asked

1360
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 1: for her number through their mutual friend, Chevy Chase. No

1361
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:56,760
Speaker 1: idea how Maureen and Chevy knew each other, but guesses one, two,

1362
01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 1: and three are cocaine. The date with Steve was in

1363
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 1: the midst of her growing substance abuse problems, and according

1364
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 1: to her account in her memoir, it did not go well.

1365
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 1: She wrote, I remember him being a very good kisser,

1366
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 1: but I was insecure and either high or spaced out,

1367
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 1: most likely both, and I didn't laugh at his jokes,

1368
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 1: though Steve was too polite and confident of his talent

1369
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:20,880
Speaker 1: to say anything. I'm sure that's a weird thing to say.

1370
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 1: I'm sure it wasn't funny. Yeah, I'm sure my inability

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01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:27,680
Speaker 1: to carry on a normal conversation or respond intelligently put

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01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:30,720
Speaker 1: him off. We never spoke again after that date. I've

1373
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 1: always regretted my behavior because he impressed me as an

1374
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 1: extraordinary guy. I would have enjoyed a second date. Oh,

1375
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 1: I would look to say. During a time on The

1376
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:41,640
Speaker 1: Brady Bunch. Marie McCormick also had a crush on her

1377
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:45,760
Speaker 1: TV dad, Robert Reid, which wouldn't have worked for so

1378
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:49,439
Speaker 1: many reasons. I would love a poll of child actors

1379
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 1: who had crushes on their TV or movie parents. And

1380
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 1: then I would like a psychologist to interpret the results

1381
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 1: of that poll because I feel like it's like disproportionately high.

1382
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 1: It's curtainly high. I don't know how I feel about high,

1383
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 1: but I know it's high. Who who just had a

1384
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 1: just confessed about having a crush on m Lena Bonham Carter,

1385
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 1: one of the Harry Potter kids. But I guess that's

1386
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:14,760
Speaker 1: that teacher. What's that? It wasn't she a teacher? And

1387
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:16,680
Speaker 1: then no, she was one of the death theaters. It's

1388
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:19,640
Speaker 1: one of the bad guys. Yeah, it doesn't really, it

1389
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:21,800
Speaker 1: doesn't really, you know. Oh yeah, having a crush on

1390
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 1: an older actor that's like just in the same thing

1391
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 1: as one thing, but like having a parent who is

1392
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 1: your parent? Yeah? Or a sibling no parent parents, sorry,

1393
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 1: parent parents. Jesus Maureena had guest roles on I Dream

1394
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 1: of Jeanie Honey West, the Farmer's Daughter, and My three Sons. Shockingly,

1395
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:45,719
Speaker 1: none of those are porn uh. Prior to getting cast

1396
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 1: on Brady Bunch but to me, but to Jordan, her

1397
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 1: biggest role was the voice of the chatty Cathy Doll yeah,

1398
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:58,640
Speaker 1: okay man the second version of It sixties with the

1399
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:00,800
Speaker 1: non movable I ask your mom Oh, of course the

1400
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:05,919
Speaker 1: rebooting one. Yeah, she'd also appear You're not a Chattycathy purist.

1401
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 1: McCormick also appeared in TV ad for the Doll before

1402
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:12,519
Speaker 1: she was cast as the voice of it. Are you

1403
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:16,559
Speaker 1: cast for the Voice of a Doll? Another child who

1404
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 1: was involved with that commercial was Eve Plum, who would

1405
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 1: play Jan Brady. So there's another weird doll connection. But

1406
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 1: the most infamous TV moment with Marie McCormick occurred in

1407
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 1: the season four episode called The Subject was Noses, which is,

1408
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:32,600
Speaker 1: of course, yes, the legendary scene where she gets hit

1409
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 1: in the nose with a football. The professional that she was,

1410
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 1: she actually got hit in the face with her football.

1411
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:41,639
Speaker 1: Christopher Knight Peter Brady was supposed to throw the ball

1412
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:43,559
Speaker 1: in the show, but he had a hard time actually

1413
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 1: hitting her, so Sherwood Schwartz stepped in and gamely railed

1414
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 1: the teen actress directly in the face with a tight

1415
01:17:52,280 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 1: spiral phrasing. He reused the nose bit from mckilligan's Island episode.

1416
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 1: He has like a tarantino esque thing for swollen noses. Yeah.

1417
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:05,639
Speaker 1: In the episode A Knows By any Other Name, Gilligan's

1418
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 1: nose swells up when he falls out of a tree.

1419
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 1: Did the guy who played Gilligan have a Cooke brom

1420
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 1: Bob Denver. I think he was a huge bodhead. I

1421
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:15,759
Speaker 1: think he got like busted a few times. Oh that's fine.

1422
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 1: But unlike her annoyingly perfect, goody goody sitcom character, McCormick

1423
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 1: had a rebellious streak. Susan Olsen tells the story of

1424
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:28,320
Speaker 1: Marine going shoplifting with Susan Cowsill of the Sills, the

1425
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 1: real life family band who inspired the Partridge Family, and

1426
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:35,120
Speaker 1: then after the show ended, McCormick fell into the sadly

1427
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 1: now familiar X child star trap of drug binges at

1428
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:41,840
Speaker 1: the Playboy Mansion and Sammy Davis Junior's house. Is that real? Yeah?

1429
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:44,559
Speaker 1: I mean maybe that's not part of the ex child

1430
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 1: star cliche that Sammy Davis Junior's house is a little

1431
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:49,800
Speaker 1: more specific, but yeah, no, it was real. Wow. No,

1432
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 1: I mean I knew the Playboy Mansion. I assumed the

1433
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 1: Playboy Mansion thing. I didn't realize that Sammy Davis Junior's

1434
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:58,880
Speaker 1: house was a Dan of iniquity I should have assumed. Yeah. Yeah,

1435
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:02,200
Speaker 1: As she wrote in her memoir Are Jesus Christ, they

1436
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 1: would call me the hoover because of how much cocaine

1437
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 1: I would do. If there was coke, I had to

1438
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:09,559
Speaker 1: stay up and do every last flake, even if it

1439
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:13,559
Speaker 1: meant going without sleep for days. Nothing else mattered. Her

1440
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:16,600
Speaker 1: illness began to impact her career. She reportedly stayed a

1441
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 1: week for three days prior to auditioning for the role

1442
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 1: of Marion Ravenwood in Indiana Jones and Ready to the

1443
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:25,320
Speaker 1: Lost Arc with Steven Spielberg, and it went so badly

1444
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 1: that Spielberg just gave her an orange and sent her home.

1445
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:32,599
Speaker 1: I don't really understand what the orange was about. I

1446
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 1: think he thought that she had the flu, and she

1447
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 1: was like sniffling and looked pale. Yeah, it's like, oh,

1448
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:42,959
Speaker 1: you need some vitamin take this from this edible arrangement

1449
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 1: that Harrison Ford just sent me. Maureene married fellow actor

1450
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 1: Michael Cummings in nineteen eighty five. Underwent a series of

1451
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 1: therapies for her addiction and depression, including treatment with the

1452
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 1: controversial therapist Eugene Landy, who treated and or abused Brian

1453
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 1: Wilson in the seventies and eighties. She has since regained

1454
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 1: her health and he's reportedly very happy. Well, Marsha and

1455
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:06,599
Speaker 1: Greg weren't the only Brady kids to have a love connection.

1456
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 1: Cindi and Bobby, or Susan Olson and Mike looking Land

1457
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 1: also had a crush on each other on the set,

1458
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 1: and they used to sneak into their dead dog Tigers

1459
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 1: doghouse on the set to make out as nine year olds,

1460
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 1: which is somewhere between gothic and adorable. Jesus Christ, that's

1461
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 1: a little young, even for the seventies. Yeah, Susan Olsen

1462
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:38,799
Speaker 1: admitted this is these quotes from her with admirable frankness,

1463
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 1: that all the kids hooked up at one point. She said, quote,

1464
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 1: I think all of us did. We led a sheltered

1465
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:45,640
Speaker 1: life for part of the year, so if there was

1466
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:47,679
Speaker 1: anybody to get a crush on or try to date,

1467
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 1: it would be our counterparts on the show in the

1468
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 1: age brackets. Yeah. But okay, Well, then as I got

1469
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:57,960
Speaker 1: a little older, they because I started trading Bobby Star,

1470
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 1: Bobby started to get a crush on jan when everybody

1471
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 1: started getting a little older. Um, and he would later

1472
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:12,639
Speaker 1: accuse Eve plum of stealing Bobby Mike looking land away

1473
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 1: from her. And they had had a fake marriage, Bobby

1474
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 1: and Cindy to to I almost consummate, they did not

1475
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:24,280
Speaker 1: when I was trying to say to make their their

1476
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:31,160
Speaker 1: child love. No, No, they had had a fake marriage

1477
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 1: just on the set, and when Bobby started to get

1478
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:39,160
Speaker 1: a crush on jan they had it ann old or

1479
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 1: they they had a fake divorce, which they just assumed

1480
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 1: was just doing their wedding ceremony in reverse. So that

1481
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:48,559
Speaker 1: was good. Yeah, But they all remained close, and Susan

1482
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 1: Olson named her firstborn son, Mike in his honor, which

1483
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 1: is sweet, whom I named after my TV brother who

1484
01:21:55,280 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 1: I used to kiss in our dead dog's house. Ah.

1485
01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:04,960
Speaker 1: Oh god, it gets weirder. Yeah. Bobby and Cindy, the

1486
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:08,720
Speaker 1: youngest Brady siblings, also star in what I believe to

1487
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:11,519
Speaker 1: be the only band scene in Brady Bunch history, and

1488
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 1: it's a pseudo nude scene a robe claude. Bobby and

1489
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 1: Cindy enter the kitchen to tell Alice, the housekeeper, that

1490
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 1: they're going swimming in a neighbor's pool a doctor, which

1491
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 1: to me adds a whole other creepy element to this. Alice,

1492
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 1: for reasons that I don't fully understand, opens Bobby's robe

1493
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 1: to see what swimming trunks he's wearing, which again weird,

1494
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:35,600
Speaker 1: and discovers that quote as she says he's wearing his

1495
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 1: birthday suit and not his swim suit. Alice then checks

1496
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 1: Cindy and discovers the same thing, prompting her to quip

1497
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:46,519
Speaker 1: who's moved in over there? Adam and Eve? And for

1498
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 1: whatever reason that I didn't watch this full episode, so

1499
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 1: I don't really understand, the kids are hell bent on

1500
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:54,880
Speaker 1: going over to this pool naked, saying quote doctor Bellfield says,

1501
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 1: the sun has lots of vitamins, to which Alice replies,

1502
01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 1: so does orange juice, but you don't go swimming in it.

1503
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:03,680
Speaker 1: She eventually forbids them from going over, saying that she

1504
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 1: won't allow any of the Brady kids to quote some

1505
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:11,479
Speaker 1: X rated party in their birthday suit. Weird. And another

1506
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:13,840
Speaker 1: weird thing. I guess the older sisters on the show

1507
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:17,280
Speaker 1: didn't like wearing bras, and so a producer would sneak

1508
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:19,479
Speaker 1: up behind them and feel their backs to make sure

1509
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 1: they were quote properly dressed. This is according to Barry

1510
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 1: Williams memoir rude and weird. Being a girl coming of

1511
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:33,720
Speaker 1: age on this show seems like hell, okay, yes, let's

1512
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 1: talk about Let's talk about our buddy Bobby. Mike Lukelyn

1513
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:39,880
Speaker 1: as the man who played him, and he was up

1514
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:42,599
Speaker 1: for two different sitcomerals in nineteen sixty eight, The Brady

1515
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:45,560
Speaker 1: Bunch and also The Courtship of Eddie's Father, which is

1516
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 1: based on a popular early sixties movie, and his Paris

1517
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 1: decided that The Brady Bunch might be a better fit

1518
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 1: for him since he'd be around other kids. It was

1519
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 1: just one kid on the Courtship of Eddie's Father and

1520
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:57,599
Speaker 1: he was the last of the nine regulars to be cast,

1521
01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:00,639
Speaker 1: and after accepting the role, he recalls being vote led

1522
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:03,599
Speaker 1: into a room full of people and someone, most likely

1523
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:08,519
Speaker 1: Sherwood Schwartz, said, Mike, this is your new family. Heavy.

1524
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 1: I didn't realize this. But he also went on to

1525
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 1: provide the voice of Oblio in the nineteen seventy one

1526
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:17,400
Speaker 1: animated film The Point, based on the songs of Harry Nilson,

1527
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 1: which I love very much. I love that album. He

1528
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 1: also appeared in the nineteen seventy four blockbuster The Towering

1529
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 1: Inferno with Paul Newman, Steve McQueen O. J. Simpson making

1530
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 1: the connection between The Brady Bunch and Juan Degree, and

1531
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:35,440
Speaker 1: also the nineteen seventies TV show The Secrets of Isis,

1532
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:39,120
Speaker 1: which was not about what I thought it was about

1533
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:45,320
Speaker 1: when I googled it. My favorite story about Mike Lukland's

1534
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:47,640
Speaker 1: post Brady career is that when the network tried to

1535
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 1: get him back to appear in the mid seventies, Variety

1536
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:53,759
Speaker 1: showed Disaster the Brady Bunch Hour more on that later,

1537
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 1: he asked for double the salary and hopes that he

1538
01:24:56,560 --> 01:25:00,680
Speaker 1: would be recast instead, they actually gave in, resulting in

1539
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 1: double the salaries for the entire gast, which probably made

1540
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 1: him very popular, but he was presumably not very happy

1541
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:09,799
Speaker 1: about having to do the show. He's also a massive

1542
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:12,720
Speaker 1: deadhead and reportedly saw The Grateful Dead in concert over

1543
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 1: one hundred times, and sadly, like several of his Brady compatriots,

1544
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:20,599
Speaker 1: he struggled with substance abuse issues. In nineteen ninety seven,

1545
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 1: he received the DUI after rolling his car several times

1546
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 1: off the road, as blood alcohol level was three times

1547
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:29,240
Speaker 1: over the legal limit in the state of Utah, where

1548
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 1: he was living at the time, and understandably, he cited

1549
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 1: this as a wake up call to stop drinking. He

1550
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 1: later said an interview with Oprah, the problem for me

1551
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:39,880
Speaker 1: was I lived my childhood in my twenties. You should

1552
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 1: really try to live your childhood when you're a child,

1553
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:43,960
Speaker 1: because if we do it when you're twenty six, it

1554
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:47,040
Speaker 1: can be dangerous. And for a number of years he

1555
01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:50,320
Speaker 1: actually retired from the film industry altogether and made a

1556
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 1: living making concrete countertops, But in twenty twenty one he

1557
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:56,639
Speaker 1: returned to the world of acting in the Lifetime Christmas

1558
01:25:56,760 --> 01:26:01,360
Speaker 1: movie Blending Christmas, alongside fellow bunch of stars Barry Williams

1559
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 1: who played Greg, Christopher Knight who played Peter, Susan Olsen

1560
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 1: who played Cindy, and Robbie Reist who played cousin Oliver

1561
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:11,599
Speaker 1: who will get too later and another favorite story about

1562
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:13,720
Speaker 1: Mike lukin Land is that in the two thousand made

1563
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 1: for TV movie Growing Up Brady, based on Barry Williams's memoir,

1564
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 1: Mike lucolun was played by his own son, Scott, which

1565
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 1: I think is cute. I tried to find a list

1566
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 1: of other famous people who were portrayed by their offspring

1567
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 1: in movies, and I stopped because this is twenty three

1568
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:37,640
Speaker 1: pages long. We're going to take a quick break, but

1569
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:40,200
Speaker 1: we'll be right back with more too much information in

1570
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 1: just a moment. And now we're going to talk about

1571
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 1: my favorite member of the Brady Bunch. Jan. I've always

1572
01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:01,559
Speaker 1: had a crush on Jan. In real life, I'm dating

1573
01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:04,559
Speaker 1: these sensitive middle child so maybe I always just had

1574
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 1: a type, just as the other corresponding siblings paired off,

1575
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:11,240
Speaker 1: Eve Plumb and Christopher Knight had a brief romantic interlude,

1576
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:13,720
Speaker 1: though I've seen two versions of it. One version is

1577
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:15,600
Speaker 1: that they were making out on a prop car on

1578
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:18,200
Speaker 1: a quiet corner of the Paramount backlot when a security

1579
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:21,280
Speaker 1: guard came by and caught them, which left Eve Plumb mortified.

1580
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:24,160
Speaker 1: And the more frequent version I've seen is that after

1581
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:27,120
Speaker 1: the show was canceled in nineteen seventy four, she and

1582
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:30,879
Speaker 1: Christopher Knight, who played Peter again the corresponding middle siblings,

1583
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:35,360
Speaker 1: parked under the stars in his flatbed pickup truck with blankets, candles,

1584
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:38,599
Speaker 1: and a six pack, only to be interrupted by cops

1585
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:41,679
Speaker 1: because they were under age. Either way, in most versions,

1586
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:44,960
Speaker 1: their moment was interrupted, tears resulted, and the magic was

1587
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:47,879
Speaker 1: kind of over. And I don't think their relationship progressed

1588
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:52,080
Speaker 1: for them. That. Arguably, the two most famous catchphrases linked

1589
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:55,440
Speaker 1: with The Brady Bunch are associated with Jan first and foremost,

1590
01:27:55,800 --> 01:28:01,760
Speaker 1: and exasperated poudy, can you do it now? Marsha Marshall Marsha, Yeah,

1591
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 1: I remember it, but I mean not it happening? I

1592
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:07,040
Speaker 1: remember this being like the thing about the show. Yeah,

1593
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:10,439
Speaker 1: I forgot out, Sure Jan too? Well, Okay, well, starting

1594
01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:13,240
Speaker 1: with the Marsha Marsha Marsha. Surprisingly, given the enduring legacy

1595
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 1: of this phrase, it was only used once in the series,

1596
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:19,120
Speaker 1: but it gained more popularity on Saturday Night Live when

1597
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:22,519
Speaker 1: comedian Melanie Hutsall used the line and her impression of

1598
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:24,920
Speaker 1: Jan for the show's Brady Bunch parody in the nineties.

1599
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:27,200
Speaker 1: But as you said, the other line most commonly associated

1600
01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:29,800
Speaker 1: with The Brady Bunch to me at least is sure Jan,

1601
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 1: delivered with a withering side eye by Marsha. That might

1602
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:35,960
Speaker 1: I guess we kind of Mandela affected it. That wasn't

1603
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:38,000
Speaker 1: actually from the show at all, but from the Brady

1604
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 1: Bunch movies in the nineties, delivered by Christine Taylor as Marsha.

1605
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:45,840
Speaker 1: Given the relationship between the characters on The Brady Bunch,

1606
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:49,639
Speaker 1: it's perhaps not surprising that friction existed between Eve Plum

1607
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:53,800
Speaker 1: and Marine McCormick in real life. Reportedly, it stretches back

1608
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:56,720
Speaker 1: to their time on the show. This is interesting to me.

1609
01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 1: Marine McCormick was originally tapped to play Jan but then

1610
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:02,639
Speaker 1: Sherwood Schwartz adjusted the ages of the kids and made

1611
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:04,920
Speaker 1: her the oldest, so maybe that got things off on

1612
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:08,600
Speaker 1: a weird footing. An anonymous source told Radar Online in

1613
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:12,479
Speaker 1: twenty ten, the problems between them go back decades. They've

1614
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:14,719
Speaker 1: never liked each other, and there have been many events

1615
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:17,559
Speaker 1: where Eva said I'm not doing it if Marine's doing it.

1616
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 1: Susan Olsen, their younger TV sister, echoed this in a

1617
01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:24,680
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen interview withnews dot com dot Au. They do

1618
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:26,960
Speaker 1: not get along. She said, I think it's kind of

1619
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:29,559
Speaker 1: petty from day one with these two have always been

1620
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:31,200
Speaker 1: in the middle, and now it's at the point where

1621
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 1: there isn't even a desire to communicate through me. It's

1622
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 1: all really petty. But if you're feeling get hurt when

1623
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 1: you're really young, some people carry it with them or

1624
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:42,040
Speaker 1: maybe to them. Moving on means moving away, But yeah,

1625
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:45,280
Speaker 1: the origin of their feud remains murky. Some have speculated

1626
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:48,800
Speaker 1: that it was something as simple as jealousy. Interestingly, given

1627
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:52,599
Speaker 1: their reputations on the show, Marie McCormick, who's often portrayed

1628
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:56,400
Speaker 1: as the glamorous older sister, has said an interviews that

1629
01:29:56,439 --> 01:29:59,479
Speaker 1: she always thought eve Plum was much more glamorous and

1630
01:29:59,479 --> 01:30:01,599
Speaker 1: pretty than her. So, yeah, it could have just been

1631
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 1: childhood jealousy at the time, But in recent years, there

1632
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:08,240
Speaker 1: is reportedly another reason why eve Plum was pissed at

1633
01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:12,160
Speaker 1: Marie McCormick. For years, Marine insinuated in interviews that she

1634
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:14,439
Speaker 1: and eve Plum had an affair on the set of

1635
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:19,879
Speaker 1: the show, which it's just everybody, it's everybody. The earliest

1636
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:21,679
Speaker 1: reference to this that I could find was a nineteen

1637
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:24,160
Speaker 1: ninety seven interview that Marie McCormick gave to an LA

1638
01:30:24,240 --> 01:30:27,400
Speaker 1: area radio host saying that she developed a huge crush

1639
01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:29,920
Speaker 1: on eve during the time on the show, saying, quote,

1640
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:34,000
Speaker 1: we had really good times together. Somehow this led DJ

1641
01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:37,960
Speaker 1: to unsuddenly ask whether they were quote Patty Cake close

1642
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:43,439
Speaker 1: or Ellen Degenerous close. Oh that's okay, yeah, I know.

1643
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:48,400
Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety seven, Marie McCormick reportedly replied, yeah, we kissed,

1644
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:51,200
Speaker 1: and her rep clarified the next day that she meant

1645
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:54,479
Speaker 1: kissed on the cheek. And then, prior to the release

1646
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:57,160
Speaker 1: of Marines Memoir in two thousand and eight, a source

1647
01:30:57,280 --> 01:30:59,840
Speaker 1: in the National Inquirer claimed that she was going to

1648
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:02,920
Speaker 1: admit to a full blown affair with eve in her book,

1649
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:05,559
Speaker 1: which wasn't out yet at the time, And though the

1650
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:09,080
Speaker 1: source of the rumor wasn't known, Marine apparently teased it

1651
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:11,400
Speaker 1: in the press a lot more to drum up buzz

1652
01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:14,360
Speaker 1: for the book, and apparently she overdid it because the publisher,

1653
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:17,479
Speaker 1: HarperCollins felt inclined to put out a statement verifying that

1654
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:19,719
Speaker 1: there was no such story to be found in the book,

1655
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:23,880
Speaker 1: but Marie McCormick apparently kept referencing it. Then, in two

1656
01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:27,240
Speaker 1: thousand and nine, a planned Brady Bunch fortieth anniversary union

1657
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:31,160
Speaker 1: with Oprah Winfrey was canceled when eve Plum declined to attend,

1658
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:33,840
Speaker 1: and it's pretty much accepted that this was because of

1659
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:37,200
Speaker 1: the beef between her and Marine, and Marine wrote on

1660
01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:40,320
Speaker 1: fancast dot Com that quote, all of us said yes,

1661
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:43,120
Speaker 1: except one person, eve Plum, who used to be my

1662
01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:46,320
Speaker 1: best friend, but now apparently once to distance herself from

1663
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:49,439
Speaker 1: the show and most troubling from me. I have no

1664
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:51,920
Speaker 1: idea why, unless she's mad at the joke I made

1665
01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:54,240
Speaker 1: a few years ago that we'd had a lesbian love affair.

1666
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:57,240
Speaker 1: I made the crack to be funny and for shock value.

1667
01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:01,040
Speaker 1: I'm sorry if she took offense, and also she tried

1668
01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:03,080
Speaker 1: to laugh it off. During appearance on the Today's Show,

1669
01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:04,840
Speaker 1: she said I was having fun. It was something I

1670
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:07,200
Speaker 1: was joking with, and she didn't take it that way.

1671
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:09,639
Speaker 1: I've reached out to Eve. I've called her for years

1672
01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:11,960
Speaker 1: that I would never get a phone call back. Finally,

1673
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:14,240
Speaker 1: after doing that for so long, I thought she'll call

1674
01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:17,800
Speaker 1: me once she wants to, and hopefully she will. After

1675
01:32:18,040 --> 01:32:20,080
Speaker 1: all this news of their feud and the press, Eve

1676
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:23,240
Speaker 1: plumbs agent tried to downplay at all by saying, quote

1677
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:25,719
Speaker 1: no one from Oprah Cole about any reunion. We haven't

1678
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:30,639
Speaker 1: turned down anything. There is no feud. Susan Olsen aka

1679
01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:33,920
Speaker 1: Cindy called bs on this, telling Fox News in twenty

1680
01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:36,880
Speaker 1: sixteen that Eve was basically sick of Marine, implying that

1681
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:39,439
Speaker 1: they'd had an affair. Whenever she had a project to

1682
01:32:39,479 --> 01:32:42,200
Speaker 1: push and wanted headlines. I don't like there to be

1683
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:44,759
Speaker 1: a rift in the family, Susan said. I love them both,

1684
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:47,200
Speaker 1: and this means whenever we get together for any project,

1685
01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:49,639
Speaker 1: there will only be one or the other of them.

1686
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:52,559
Speaker 1: But I do understand Eve's point of view. She got

1687
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:55,760
Speaker 1: tired of Marine gaining attention for herself by regurgitating the

1688
01:32:55,800 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 1: tiresome and false intinuations that they had a lesbian affair. However,

1689
01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:06,000
Speaker 1: even Marine aka Marsha and Jan reunited in twenty nineteen

1690
01:33:06,280 --> 01:33:09,720
Speaker 1: for the HGTV series A Very Brady Renovation, which we'll

1691
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:12,559
Speaker 1: talk about a little later, during which they renovated the

1692
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:15,439
Speaker 1: real life Brady Bunch House in Studio City to resemble

1693
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:18,400
Speaker 1: the Brady. Interior was built on the Paramount sound stage,

1694
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:21,679
Speaker 1: and during press for this show, one a trepid reporter

1695
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:24,519
Speaker 1: asked Eve Plum if there had been a quote remedy

1696
01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:28,040
Speaker 1: to her alleged feud with Marine McCormick, and Eve responded

1697
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:31,040
Speaker 1: with a laugh. People like to say things. There was

1698
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:36,880
Speaker 1: no remedy needed, sure, Jan, and now for an Eve

1699
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:39,200
Speaker 1: Plumb grab bag of random facts that I really can't

1700
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:41,479
Speaker 1: fit anywhere else. Oh. We touched on this at the

1701
01:33:41,479 --> 01:33:43,840
Speaker 1: top of the episode. In nineteen seventy three, when she

1702
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:46,000
Speaker 1: was still on The Brady Bunch, Eve Plumb audition for

1703
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:48,519
Speaker 1: the part of Reagan in The Exorcist, later played by

1704
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:51,960
Speaker 1: Linda Blair, which is I can't tell if it's just

1705
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:55,160
Speaker 1: as weird or even weirder as Marie McCormick starring in

1706
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:57,599
Speaker 1: Raiders of the Lost Arc. What are you thinking? What's

1707
01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:02,160
Speaker 1: weirder this one? Yeah? Yeah, seeing like Jan Brady's head

1708
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:07,040
Speaker 1: spin from sixty degrees with por the crucifix thing. Yeah,

1709
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:10,080
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I forgot about that. Yes, yes, yes, yeah, okay,

1710
01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:12,240
Speaker 1: good call, good call call cool cool cool, moving on,

1711
01:34:12,280 --> 01:34:15,479
Speaker 1: moving on, yeah, moving on. But yeah, Eve Plumb was

1712
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:18,840
Speaker 1: clearly very ready for her stint on family television to

1713
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:22,719
Speaker 1: be over. There's a possibly apocryphal story, but I really

1714
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:25,120
Speaker 1: desperately want it to be true about her being asked

1715
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:27,800
Speaker 1: to name her favorite episode of The Brady Bunch and

1716
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:33,680
Speaker 1: her response the last one. Yeah. Eve Plum has a

1717
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:36,800
Speaker 1: reputation of being the most over it and slightly bitter

1718
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:39,760
Speaker 1: of all the Brady kids, and I think that reputation

1719
01:34:39,800 --> 01:34:41,479
Speaker 1: stems from the fact that she was the only one

1720
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:44,719
Speaker 1: to decline to appear in the nineteen seventy six variety

1721
01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:47,680
Speaker 1: show spin off, The Brady Bunch Hour, which was a

1722
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:51,439
Speaker 1: terrible idea and lasted just nine episodes. She was replaced

1723
01:34:51,479 --> 01:34:54,200
Speaker 1: by a woman named Jerry Rachel, who is forever more

1724
01:34:54,280 --> 01:34:58,360
Speaker 1: known as quote Fake Jan Brady Bunch circles. Fake Jan

1725
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:00,840
Speaker 1: mentioned Fake Jane. You'll get a big response. I got

1726
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:03,960
Speaker 1: a very big reaction. But all three of the Bradys

1727
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:07,040
Speaker 1: sisters have bailed on one spinoff or another. Susan Olsen

1728
01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:09,200
Speaker 1: didn't appear in the nineteen eighty eight made for TV

1729
01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:12,400
Speaker 1: movie A Very Brady Christmas because shooting apparently took place

1730
01:35:12,479 --> 01:35:15,800
Speaker 1: during her honeymoon, which I kind of call bs on,

1731
01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:19,800
Speaker 1: but sure. Amaron McCormick declined to appear in the aforementioned

1732
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:23,960
Speaker 1: short lived nineteen ninety dramedy series The Bradys. So every

1733
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:26,439
Speaker 1: Brady's sister gets a pass. You get to skip one

1734
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:32,400
Speaker 1: ill advised Brady spinoff series one apiece. But getting back

1735
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:35,080
Speaker 1: to Jan, she was the most successful at shaking her

1736
01:35:35,080 --> 01:35:38,240
Speaker 1: goody two shoes Brady rep Just after graduating high school.

1737
01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:40,880
Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy six, she played a teen prostitute in

1738
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:45,160
Speaker 1: Dawn Portrait of a Teenage runaway, and she apparently has

1739
01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:48,720
Speaker 1: quite the gift for real estate investing. In nineteen sixty nine,

1740
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:51,439
Speaker 1: at the age of eleven, she purchased a Malibu beach

1741
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:55,080
Speaker 1: bungalow for fifty five thousand dollars and she sold the

1742
01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:58,880
Speaker 1: house in twenty sixteen for three point nine million. That's

1743
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:02,320
Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah, I'm guessing that was purchased with her

1744
01:36:02,360 --> 01:36:05,599
Speaker 1: Brady Bunch bucks, but maybe not, because apparently they didn't

1745
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:08,080
Speaker 1: earn that much on the show. Bar Williams said that

1746
01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:11,400
Speaker 1: the kids got paid a maximum of one one hundred

1747
01:36:11,439 --> 01:36:14,040
Speaker 1: and ten dollars a week during the show's run, and

1748
01:36:14,160 --> 01:36:16,200
Speaker 1: Susan Olsen said that they also had to pay for

1749
01:36:16,240 --> 01:36:19,120
Speaker 1: their own parking on the studio lot during the first season.

1750
01:36:19,640 --> 01:36:24,480
Speaker 1: That's raw, yeah, I know. And also the syndication contracts

1751
01:36:24,520 --> 01:36:27,559
Speaker 1: were garbage. So Brady Bunch Kids, we give you a

1752
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:31,719
Speaker 1: C minus in the TMI School of Business. Well, onto

1753
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:35,479
Speaker 1: the inanimate objects portion of the podcast. You will be

1754
01:36:36,160 --> 01:36:38,400
Speaker 1: sad to learn that the Brady Bunch House neither had

1755
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:42,559
Speaker 1: a coke habit nor slept with its sibling or parent

1756
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:46,559
Speaker 1: or parent, but the actual Brady House used for exterior

1757
01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:48,439
Speaker 1: shots there at the show is a charming little split

1758
01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:52,360
Speaker 1: level located in Studio City, California, gets great westward facing light.

1759
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:55,880
Speaker 1: You know, we don't want to give out the address here,

1760
01:36:55,920 --> 01:37:00,560
Speaker 1: but you can find it. Supposedly. The fictitious address is

1761
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:04,599
Speaker 1: four two two two Clinton Way. Show creator Sherwood Schwartz

1762
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:06,720
Speaker 1: chose the home himself because he felt like it was

1763
01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:09,639
Speaker 1: the kind of stylish modern home that an architect, which

1764
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:13,439
Speaker 1: is of course Mike Brady's, a fictional profession, would live in.

1765
01:37:13,880 --> 01:37:15,720
Speaker 1: He said, we didn't want it to be too affluent,

1766
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:18,160
Speaker 1: We didn't want it to be too blue collar. There

1767
01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:20,800
Speaker 1: was only one problem. It was a split level, but

1768
01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:23,679
Speaker 1: the sets being built back at Paramount Studio Stage five

1769
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:27,200
Speaker 1: were for a two story building. Ultimately, Hollywood set designers

1770
01:37:27,240 --> 01:37:29,719
Speaker 1: stuck a phony window onto the exterior of the real

1771
01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:32,360
Speaker 1: house to create the illusion that it was two stories, and,

1772
01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:34,360
Speaker 1: as is so often the case, the owners of the

1773
01:37:34,360 --> 01:37:38,320
Speaker 1: famous home found that the notoriety was somewhat annoying. A

1774
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:40,639
Speaker 1: future owner built a fence around the yard to keep

1775
01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:42,880
Speaker 1: over zealous fans for peeking in at all hours of

1776
01:37:42,920 --> 01:37:45,040
Speaker 1: the day and night, and by the time production began

1777
01:37:45,080 --> 01:37:47,040
Speaker 1: on the two Brady Bunch movies in nine ninety five,

1778
01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:49,479
Speaker 1: the owners declined to give permission to shoot at the

1779
01:37:49,479 --> 01:37:52,799
Speaker 1: famous house, forcing producers to build a facade around another

1780
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 1: home with his similar yard. The interiors of the home

1781
01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:59,559
Speaker 1: on the Paramount lot were recycled for other shows, furniture

1782
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:02,720
Speaker 1: and all once for the show Mission Impossible, twice on

1783
01:38:02,760 --> 01:38:06,280
Speaker 1: the detective series Mannix. It's so Weird you see Peter

1784
01:38:06,360 --> 01:38:08,759
Speaker 1: Graves a mission if Possible to strolling through the Brady's

1785
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:12,640
Speaker 1: living room like it's totally normal. And Robert Reid had

1786
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:14,800
Speaker 1: a recurrent guest role on Mannix. He played the part

1787
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:18,960
Speaker 1: of Lieutenant Adam Tobias for twenty two episode Sadly we

1788
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:23,759
Speaker 1: never got that Brady Bunch Mannix crossover series or Brady Bunch,

1789
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:28,360
Speaker 1: Jake and the Fat Man. The home had some quirks

1790
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:30,559
Speaker 1: to it, part for the course for a medium quality

1791
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:33,240
Speaker 1: sitcom in the late sixties. The sliding glass door in

1792
01:38:33,240 --> 01:38:35,600
Speaker 1: the backyard, for example, had no glass in it to

1793
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:39,400
Speaker 1: reduce any kind of reflective glare. In the episode where

1794
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:41,479
Speaker 1: the kids break their mom's favorite base, there are a

1795
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:44,120
Speaker 1: few quick shots that reveal the home has no ceiling,

1796
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:47,800
Speaker 1: just studio lights. These are all airs that would seem

1797
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:49,640
Speaker 1: less of a big deal before a freeze frame was

1798
01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:52,960
Speaker 1: such a thing. Perhaps most notably and famously, the Jack

1799
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:55,639
Speaker 1: and Jill bathroom shared by the six Brady kids doesn't

1800
01:38:55,680 --> 01:38:58,759
Speaker 1: have a toilet, leading to the joke that the Brady

1801
01:38:58,840 --> 01:39:01,360
Speaker 1: kids were so wholesome they don't even go to the bathroom.

1802
01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:04,439
Speaker 1: This was not an oversight. Network standards of the time

1803
01:39:04,479 --> 01:39:07,040
Speaker 1: refused to allow a toilet bowl to be shown on

1804
01:39:07,080 --> 01:39:10,439
Speaker 1: TV before ten PM. Leave it to Beaver had gotten

1805
01:39:10,439 --> 01:39:12,519
Speaker 1: away with it for one episode nineteen fifty seven just

1806
01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:16,200
Speaker 1: by showing the tank portion and Eve Plumb later said

1807
01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:18,000
Speaker 1: at the time the idea was that it was just

1808
01:39:18,040 --> 01:39:21,200
Speaker 1: sort of tacky to be showing toilets on TV. Nowadays,

1809
01:39:21,240 --> 01:39:26,320
Speaker 1: everybody's on the toilet. Sure, jan when the Very Brady

1810
01:39:26,360 --> 01:39:29,639
Speaker 1: Renovation Show began, in which they renovated a real life

1811
01:39:29,640 --> 01:39:33,200
Speaker 1: house to look like the set of The Bradys, why

1812
01:39:34,240 --> 01:39:35,840
Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be to be used

1813
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:38,320
Speaker 1: as well. First of all ratings, but I also assumed

1814
01:39:38,360 --> 01:39:40,639
Speaker 1: that they would turn it into a tourist trap or something.

1815
01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:42,920
Speaker 1: But apparently that has not happened yet. We'll talk more

1816
01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:45,519
Speaker 1: about that later. But I actually was looking into it

1817
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:47,599
Speaker 1: because I would love to go toward the Brady's House.

1818
01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:51,360
Speaker 1: Of course you would anyway. In this show, the Brady

1819
01:39:51,400 --> 01:39:57,360
Speaker 1: Kids bathroom finally got a toilet, which you bet you

1820
01:39:57,520 --> 01:40:00,280
Speaker 1: never thought you'd say, I, nor would I. I've ever

1821
01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:02,080
Speaker 1: thought that I would say the phrase. And it was

1822
01:40:02,120 --> 01:40:06,080
Speaker 1: Marcia herself who christened it. I have to say I

1823
01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:09,479
Speaker 1: have used it now, she said, and it was good.

1824
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:16,080
Speaker 1: Some I'm a god said yeah. Also at long last,

1825
01:40:16,160 --> 01:40:21,000
Speaker 1: Alice was given a bathroom in her maid's quarters onto

1826
01:40:21,040 --> 01:40:27,680
Speaker 1: another inanimate object in the show Cousin, Oh you you

1827
01:40:27,720 --> 01:40:32,400
Speaker 1: stopped watching this before? Was this aired sequentially? How would

1828
01:40:32,439 --> 01:40:35,879
Speaker 1: you have? What are you talking about? You never saw? Honestly,

1829
01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:38,519
Speaker 1: if I saw, if I started watching it and the

1830
01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:41,960
Speaker 1: Brady the older Brady boys had like curly hair, I

1831
01:40:42,040 --> 01:40:43,960
Speaker 1: tended to change the channel. I didn't like the later

1832
01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:47,360
Speaker 1: years on the Brady Bach because of the curly hair thing. Yeah,

1833
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:48,880
Speaker 1: I just I don't know. It's like a later episodes

1834
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:52,000
Speaker 1: of air alls shows are bad except breaking bad. Uh.

1835
01:40:53,400 --> 01:40:56,080
Speaker 1: Cousin Oliver has become something of a shorthand for character

1836
01:40:56,160 --> 01:40:59,080
Speaker 1: shoehorned into a TV show when it's on its last legs.

1837
01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:02,760
Speaker 1: In other words, Fresh Blood in a desperate attempt to

1838
01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:06,320
Speaker 1: boost ratings, sort of the human equivalent of the shark

1839
01:41:06,400 --> 01:41:10,000
Speaker 1: that Fonzie jumps over in Happy Days, giving rise to

1840
01:41:10,040 --> 01:41:13,920
Speaker 1: that phrase. How many different shows did they do this? On?

1841
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:16,719
Speaker 1: Quite a few. They did it on The Partridge Family

1842
01:41:16,920 --> 01:41:20,040
Speaker 1: and later on Different Strokes When they cast Danny Cooksie,

1843
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:23,040
Speaker 1: who is most familiar to me, as Bobby Budnick on

1844
01:41:23,080 --> 01:41:25,120
Speaker 1: Salute Your Shorts. I didn't know he had a life

1845
01:41:25,120 --> 01:41:27,120
Speaker 1: before Salute Your Shorts, or I knew he had a life.

1846
01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:29,080
Speaker 1: I knew he didn't. I knew he didn't wasn't grown

1847
01:41:29,080 --> 01:41:31,519
Speaker 1: on a Nickelodeon lab, But like I didn't know. All

1848
01:41:31,560 --> 01:41:34,040
Speaker 1: I could think of is Roy in The Simpsons. He

1849
01:41:34,200 --> 01:41:40,720
Speaker 1: laid a mister s yeah, hi BROI Leon from Curb

1850
01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:46,479
Speaker 1: Your Enthusiasm. Oh yeah, anyway, cousin Oliver was played by

1851
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:49,760
Speaker 1: Robbie rist Was, and he was Carol Brady's nephew, came

1852
01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:51,320
Speaker 1: to live with the brady As while their parents were

1853
01:41:51,320 --> 01:41:53,920
Speaker 1: out of the country. On the surface, it made sense

1854
01:41:54,080 --> 01:41:56,320
Speaker 1: you introduced a new character to offset the fact that

1855
01:41:56,320 --> 01:41:58,800
Speaker 1: the cast were starting to age, but fans did not

1856
01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:02,719
Speaker 1: dig it. On Barry Williams blog The Greg Brady Project,

1857
01:42:04,600 --> 01:42:07,799
Speaker 1: I made me. I'm Barry Williams blog, The Greg Greg

1858
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:11,080
Speaker 1: Brady Project. He responded to a fan question about how

1859
01:42:11,120 --> 01:42:14,360
Speaker 1: the cast received Robbie Rist into their midst. That was

1860
01:42:14,360 --> 01:42:16,200
Speaker 1: a hell of a tongue twister. Let's take that whole

1861
01:42:16,240 --> 01:42:20,320
Speaker 1: thing over again. I'm just adopting the like casey casum cadence.

1862
01:42:20,360 --> 01:42:24,759
Speaker 1: The longer this show came runs, Jordan's Son of a Bitch,

1863
01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:30,040
Speaker 1: Robbie came into a tough situation. The writers were floundering,

1864
01:42:30,120 --> 01:42:32,320
Speaker 1: and he introduced a very different type of humor into

1865
01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:34,960
Speaker 1: our show. Also, we had been together a long time

1866
01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:36,720
Speaker 1: and we really didn't have time to adjust to a

1867
01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:43,360
Speaker 1: new quote family member. His quote, it's not mine. I

1868
01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:46,280
Speaker 1: haven't had much contact with him, but I'm sure he

1869
01:42:46,439 --> 01:42:50,080
Speaker 1: is a nice guy, and I certainly wish him every success.

1870
01:42:52,240 --> 01:42:56,559
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's a nice guy. He was, after all,

1871
01:42:56,680 --> 01:42:59,479
Speaker 1: on the show for just six episodes before ABC killed

1872
01:42:59,479 --> 01:43:03,160
Speaker 1: it before sixth season, leading many to conclude that cousin

1873
01:43:03,200 --> 01:43:05,360
Speaker 1: Oliver was responsible for the death of the Brady Bunch.

1874
01:43:05,880 --> 01:43:09,120
Speaker 1: And then, in the second such instance of this pipeline,

1875
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:11,920
Speaker 1: Robbie Risk joined The Mary Tyler Moore Show. In that

1876
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:15,240
Speaker 1: show sixth season as Ted and Georgett's adopted son, David,

1877
01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:18,400
Speaker 1: and the show lasted just one season after that, leading

1878
01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:21,679
Speaker 1: some to accuse him of killing that show too. Thankfully,

1879
01:43:21,720 --> 01:43:24,240
Speaker 1: he has a good sense of humor about it. Years later,

1880
01:43:24,320 --> 01:43:26,080
Speaker 1: Risk appeared to members of the Brady Bunch cast on

1881
01:43:26,120 --> 01:43:29,479
Speaker 1: a special Brady Reunion charity episode of the game show

1882
01:43:29,479 --> 01:43:33,320
Speaker 1: The Weakest Link. Introducing himself, he joked, I hope I

1883
01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:35,800
Speaker 1: don't kill this show too. He ended up being the

1884
01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:38,680
Speaker 1: weakest Link of the episode and was eliminated by the

1885
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:41,280
Speaker 1: other contestants. I guess they just didn't want a chance.

1886
01:43:42,439 --> 01:43:44,000
Speaker 1: And this brings us to a section of the show

1887
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:47,400
Speaker 1: that I'll have to call a very Brady cancelation. It's

1888
01:43:47,439 --> 01:43:49,719
Speaker 1: important to note that The Brady Bunch was never really

1889
01:43:49,720 --> 01:43:52,840
Speaker 1: a massive hit during its initial run between September nineteen

1890
01:43:52,920 --> 01:43:56,120
Speaker 1: sixty nine and March nineteen seventy four. In fact, it

1891
01:43:56,120 --> 01:43:58,599
Speaker 1: never even cracked the top thirty in the Nielsen ratings,

1892
01:43:58,640 --> 01:44:01,080
Speaker 1: though it was popular enough that Hadnty Kissinger paid a

1893
01:44:01,160 --> 01:44:04,800
Speaker 1: visit to the set. Photos were taken and I love that.

1894
01:44:04,880 --> 01:44:07,240
Speaker 1: Please look it up. Yeah. And then of course they

1895
01:44:07,280 --> 01:44:09,760
Speaker 1: had guest stars like Joe Namath and Davy Jones. The

1896
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:13,400
Speaker 1: latter of whom accompanied Marie McCormick tour prom which I love.

1897
01:44:14,200 --> 01:44:17,160
Speaker 1: According to An B. Davis, who played Alice and who

1898
01:44:17,240 --> 01:44:19,479
Speaker 1: later after The Brady Bunch went off the air, sold

1899
01:44:19,479 --> 01:44:22,800
Speaker 1: her home in la and joined the religious Commune in Colorado.

1900
01:44:23,360 --> 01:44:26,040
Speaker 1: The Brady Munch ratings were so low throughout its run

1901
01:44:26,120 --> 01:44:29,080
Speaker 1: that it was renewed for just thirteen episodes or half

1902
01:44:29,080 --> 01:44:31,719
Speaker 1: a season at a time, until the very last season.

1903
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:33,759
Speaker 1: They couldn't get the network to commit to a full

1904
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:37,360
Speaker 1: season until several years into its run. I love that

1905
01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:40,840
Speaker 1: kids love The Brady Bunch because it was generally told

1906
01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:43,439
Speaker 1: from a child's point of view, but adults never really

1907
01:44:43,479 --> 01:44:45,599
Speaker 1: connected with it, which is part of the reason why

1908
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:48,320
Speaker 1: it didn't really thrive in prime time. And then when

1909
01:44:48,479 --> 01:44:51,840
Speaker 1: NBC put the edgy contemporary Sanford and Son opposite it,

1910
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:53,640
Speaker 1: it just blew the Brady Bunch right out of the

1911
01:44:53,680 --> 01:44:57,240
Speaker 1: water and its ratings tanked. We discussed earlier how Sherwood

1912
01:44:57,240 --> 01:44:59,719
Speaker 1: Schwartz toured with the idea of killing off Mike Brady

1913
01:44:59,720 --> 01:45:02,200
Speaker 1: and and Carol go back to dating for a proposed

1914
01:45:02,240 --> 01:45:05,600
Speaker 1: sixth season. It's unclear how serious this was given just

1915
01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:08,760
Speaker 1: how much he hated working with Robert Reid. There's another story.

1916
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:11,360
Speaker 1: He was going to recast Mike Brady and have Carol

1917
01:45:11,439 --> 01:45:14,559
Speaker 1: become pregnant with twins, a boy and a girl. But

1918
01:45:14,680 --> 01:45:16,800
Speaker 1: in any event, the show was not renewed for a

1919
01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:20,040
Speaker 1: sixth season, and the final episode aired on March eighth,

1920
01:45:20,120 --> 01:45:24,640
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four, very unceremoniously. The show was a hit,

1921
01:45:24,680 --> 01:45:28,120
Speaker 1: though in syndication. Much like Star Trek. The reruns that

1922
01:45:28,120 --> 01:45:30,840
Speaker 1: started running in September nineteen seventy five were scheduled a

1923
01:45:30,960 --> 01:45:33,760
Speaker 1: late afternoon, just after kids got home from school, which

1924
01:45:33,800 --> 01:45:36,760
Speaker 1: made it hugely popular with young viewers and their families.

1925
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:39,559
Speaker 1: In my nineteen seventy six reruns up, the Brady Bunch

1926
01:45:39,640 --> 01:45:43,559
Speaker 1: actually beat out the vice presidential debate in ratings, and

1927
01:45:43,680 --> 01:45:46,639
Speaker 1: at the time of its thirtieth anniversary in nineteen ninety nine,

1928
01:45:46,680 --> 01:45:49,280
Speaker 1: each of the one hundred and seventeen episodes was estimated

1929
01:45:49,280 --> 01:45:51,840
Speaker 1: to have aired more than one hundred thousand times around

1930
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:55,519
Speaker 1: the world, and presumably that number has grown exponentially by

1931
01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:59,759
Speaker 1: the time of its fiftieth anniversary in twenty nineteen. Now

1932
01:46:00,320 --> 01:46:03,719
Speaker 1: we got to get to the very Brady spinoffs. There

1933
01:46:03,800 --> 01:46:07,479
Speaker 1: are just so many media properties that they parlayed this

1934
01:46:07,640 --> 01:46:11,400
Speaker 1: show into It's insane. Actually. First, before we get to

1935
01:46:11,439 --> 01:46:13,519
Speaker 1: the spinoffs, we have to talk about the very Brady

1936
01:46:13,640 --> 01:46:15,519
Speaker 1: music career, if you can call it that. In the

1937
01:46:15,560 --> 01:46:19,920
Speaker 1: early seventies, the Brady Bunch Kids released four LPs plus

1938
01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:23,600
Speaker 1: a Christopher Knight Marine McCormick Duets LP, which sounds like

1939
01:46:23,640 --> 01:46:27,400
Speaker 1: hell because Christopher McCormick. Because Christopher Knight was, by his

1940
01:46:27,439 --> 01:46:30,000
Speaker 1: own admission, the only member of the cast who truly

1941
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:33,840
Speaker 1: could not sing. Each of the Brady Kids, except for Cindy,

1942
01:46:33,960 --> 01:46:37,719
Speaker 1: released solo singles, and they did versions of American Pie,

1943
01:46:38,080 --> 01:46:42,080
Speaker 1: the Bad Finger song, day After Day, Love Me Do Baby,

1944
01:46:42,080 --> 01:46:44,880
Speaker 1: I'm Ana Want You by Bread, Saturday in the Park

1945
01:46:44,960 --> 01:46:48,600
Speaker 1: by Chicago Summer Breeze by Seals and Crofts, and the

1946
01:46:48,680 --> 01:46:51,720
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson song Ben, the one about the rats, They

1947
01:46:51,880 --> 01:46:55,559
Speaker 1: one about the rat yep. I guess rads singular That

1948
01:46:55,640 --> 01:47:00,400
Speaker 1: was Wilbur was the one who had many rats, right, No,

1949
01:47:00,520 --> 01:47:04,360
Speaker 1: Wilbur from Charlotte's Webb No, No, the twin dueling rat

1950
01:47:04,400 --> 01:47:08,200
Speaker 1: movies of the seventies. I don't know Wilber. What's Wilber? Oh,

1951
01:47:08,280 --> 01:47:13,960
Speaker 1: Wilbur's a Willard? Sorry, Willard had many rats. Ben just

1952
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:16,880
Speaker 1: had the one, okay, yeah right, yeah, do you have

1953
01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:19,599
Speaker 1: like anemonic for that, like I before you accept after see,

1954
01:47:21,040 --> 01:47:26,160
Speaker 1: Ben is just one, Willard is many more fun Yours

1955
01:47:26,240 --> 01:47:30,439
Speaker 1: is better. But yeah, if you want to ruin any

1956
01:47:30,439 --> 01:47:32,639
Speaker 1: of those classic songs for yourself, have had it, Brady

1957
01:47:32,640 --> 01:47:35,240
Speaker 1: Bunch those versions of them. But getting back to the

1958
01:47:35,400 --> 01:47:38,560
Speaker 1: televisual Realm, there was an animated series. Oh no, the

1959
01:47:38,760 --> 01:47:41,840
Speaker 1: men had an army of rodents, so technically they both

1960
01:47:41,880 --> 01:47:45,680
Speaker 1: have many many rats in the Okay, I'm sorry, yeah,

1961
01:47:45,800 --> 01:47:48,760
Speaker 1: can we fix you'll punch that in plus that the post. Yeah,

1962
01:47:48,760 --> 01:47:57,520
Speaker 1: you're so if you want to ruin it anything, they sorry,

1963
01:47:58,400 --> 01:48:01,719
Speaker 1: I just this is what boggles the mind. The poster

1964
01:48:01,840 --> 01:48:05,519
Speaker 1: for Ben actually sets well, yeah, it sure does, but

1965
01:48:05,560 --> 01:48:09,719
Speaker 1: it says where Willard ended Ben begins? Are they related?

1966
01:48:09,800 --> 01:48:14,400
Speaker 1: Oh it's a sequel. Just now learning this, Oh my god,

1967
01:48:15,240 --> 01:48:19,000
Speaker 1: I'm glad we got this down. Yeah wow, they made

1968
01:48:19,040 --> 01:48:22,559
Speaker 1: They put the on the Jackson's live album. God, Michael

1969
01:48:22,600 --> 01:48:26,760
Speaker 1: really loved that song. It's on the Jackson Live album.

1970
01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:28,960
Speaker 1: It's on his number ones. Well it was a number

1971
01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:32,960
Speaker 1: one hit, but yeah, that's a Michael Jackson's ones. It

1972
01:48:33,120 --> 01:48:36,120
Speaker 1: hit number one on the Globe is nominated for Best

1973
01:48:36,120 --> 01:48:40,840
Speaker 1: Original Song at the Oscars. I really genuinely didn't know

1974
01:48:40,880 --> 01:48:43,720
Speaker 1: that Ben was a sequel to Willard. I thought they were.

1975
01:48:43,880 --> 01:48:47,680
Speaker 1: It makes more sense that their franchise. Yeah, because oh,

1976
01:48:47,760 --> 01:48:50,320
Speaker 1: here's mnemonic for you. Ben is the name of the rat.

1977
01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:53,639
Speaker 1: Willard's the name of the guy. Okay, doesn't rhyme, but okay,

1978
01:48:53,960 --> 01:48:55,840
Speaker 1: now now I'll come back to it. I'll come back

1979
01:48:55,840 --> 01:49:00,320
Speaker 1: to it. Okay. Yeah, So if you want to know,

1980
01:49:00,400 --> 01:49:06,720
Speaker 1: it was produced by Bing Crosby's production company. Wait, really yeah,

1981
01:49:06,920 --> 01:49:11,559
Speaker 1: Bing Crosby Productions responsible for Ben for the Rat movies. Well,

1982
01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:14,280
Speaker 1: I don't know about Willard. You imagine him taking an

1983
01:49:14,280 --> 01:49:19,160
Speaker 1: ad out in trade papers like Ben By being No,

1984
01:49:19,320 --> 01:49:26,639
Speaker 1: that was the signature scent Ben by Bing. Oh god, okay,

1985
01:49:26,640 --> 01:49:29,640
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. He's died on the golf course, right. He

1986
01:49:29,720 --> 01:49:31,760
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I gotta I got eighteen holes and

1987
01:49:31,840 --> 01:49:34,120
Speaker 1: like seventy six strokes. I think that's a personal best.

1988
01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:35,720
Speaker 1: Why do you think we take this over to the

1989
01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:37,680
Speaker 1: cabana and then he just like keeled over in the

1990
01:49:37,680 --> 01:49:40,360
Speaker 1: eighteenth green. Did not know that? I think? So? Yeah,

1991
01:49:40,360 --> 01:49:42,160
Speaker 1: it would have been better if a rat was involved.

1992
01:49:42,880 --> 01:49:46,760
Speaker 1: Who's to say. I think he's the one that like

1993
01:49:47,400 --> 01:49:50,520
Speaker 1: was like really bad to his kids, like mommy yauper,

1994
01:49:50,640 --> 01:49:55,639
Speaker 1: like yeah, whom, Yeah, that was the family guy joke. Right,

1995
01:49:55,800 --> 01:49:57,559
Speaker 1: you can beat your kids with a sack of sweet

1996
01:49:57,600 --> 01:50:01,880
Speaker 1: Valencia oranges and it won't be a bruise. This is

1997
01:50:01,880 --> 01:50:05,760
Speaker 1: a lot of friends you have. You Uh, you really

1998
01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:09,160
Speaker 1: nailed that. Crosby, who had a thirteen handicap, one with

1999
01:50:09,240 --> 01:50:12,920
Speaker 1: his partner by one stroke. At about six thirty pm,

2000
01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:15,920
Speaker 1: Crosby and his party headed back to the clubhouse. Crosby said,

2001
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:18,200
Speaker 1: that was a great game of golf. Fellas, let's go

2002
01:50:18,280 --> 01:50:23,080
Speaker 1: have a Coca cola. These These were his last words.

2003
01:50:27,280 --> 01:50:31,160
Speaker 1: He collapsed and died twenty yards from the clubhouse entrance

2004
01:50:31,720 --> 01:50:34,400
Speaker 1: from a massive heart attack. I know my mid century

2005
01:50:35,240 --> 01:50:40,240
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ sor right, let's take this home. How many pages? Oh?

2006
01:50:40,360 --> 01:50:45,840
Speaker 1: Thank god? Almost done? Yeah? The rat the rat one

2007
01:50:45,960 --> 01:50:51,120
Speaker 1: was really bad, really bad. Uh maybe this show's furthest

2008
01:50:51,160 --> 01:50:56,320
Speaker 1: reach o ka, I'm keeping it. Just leave. It's it's

2009
01:50:56,320 --> 01:50:59,280
Speaker 1: like the you know the like oops, all berries or whatever.

2010
01:50:59,320 --> 01:51:09,360
Speaker 1: It's too much information, all tents, all rats. Back to

2011
01:51:09,400 --> 01:51:14,800
Speaker 1: the Brady Bunch televisual spinoffs. First off, we have the

2012
01:51:14,840 --> 01:51:18,040
Speaker 1: animated series The Brady Kids, which ran for two seasons

2013
01:51:18,080 --> 01:51:21,120
Speaker 1: between nineteen seventy two and nineteen seventy three, and this

2014
01:51:21,160 --> 01:51:23,559
Speaker 1: was the era when every primetime show had a Saturday

2015
01:51:23,640 --> 01:51:27,799
Speaker 1: morning cartoons series. The Partridge Family had possibly my favorite

2016
01:51:28,160 --> 01:51:31,559
Speaker 1: Partridge Family two thousand, two hundred a d which is

2017
01:51:31,560 --> 01:51:34,320
Speaker 1: like a Partridge Family jets In combo. In fact, I

2018
01:51:34,360 --> 01:51:36,200
Speaker 1: think it was actually slated to be some kind of

2019
01:51:36,200 --> 01:51:39,679
Speaker 1: a Jetson's project and the midway through they just switched

2020
01:51:39,680 --> 01:51:43,240
Speaker 1: to mid stream. There was also a Happy Days animated

2021
01:51:43,280 --> 01:51:46,519
Speaker 1: series called The Fawns and the Happy Days Gang. Yeah,

2022
01:51:46,560 --> 01:51:49,160
Speaker 1: all in all weird time for Saturday morning TV shows.

2023
01:51:49,560 --> 01:51:51,600
Speaker 1: But also in the mid seventies, not only was it

2024
01:51:51,640 --> 01:51:55,280
Speaker 1: a golden era for weird Saturday morning kids animated series,

2025
01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:58,920
Speaker 1: but it was also a golden era for variety TV programming.

2026
01:51:59,280 --> 01:52:03,080
Speaker 1: Which leads to nineteen seventy six is The Brady Bunch Hour,

2027
01:52:03,560 --> 01:52:07,040
Speaker 1: which is widely viewed as one of the worst programs

2028
01:52:07,040 --> 01:52:09,960
Speaker 1: in the history of the medium. The show is the

2029
01:52:09,960 --> 01:52:13,840
Speaker 1: branchild of Michael Eisner, a future Disney chief. Michael Eisner

2030
01:52:14,200 --> 01:52:17,280
Speaker 1: and Kick the idea to sit at Marty Croft, who

2031
01:52:17,320 --> 01:52:21,559
Speaker 1: were the Puppetier brothers who created these insane acidity children's

2032
01:52:21,600 --> 01:52:23,840
Speaker 1: programs like Land of the Lost and H and R

2033
01:52:23,920 --> 01:52:26,400
Speaker 1: Puff and Stuff, and the show The Brady Bunch Hour

2034
01:52:26,479 --> 01:52:28,280
Speaker 1: was meant to follow in the foot sets of shows

2035
01:52:28,280 --> 01:52:30,920
Speaker 1: like Sonny and Cher's Comedy Hour or Donnie and Marie,

2036
01:52:31,040 --> 01:52:34,320
Speaker 1: which was just a combination of skits, disco music numbers

2037
01:52:34,320 --> 01:52:37,280
Speaker 1: featuring the Bradys and guest stars like Vincent Price and

2038
01:52:37,360 --> 01:52:42,240
Speaker 1: Rip Taylor did not work out. There's even a book

2039
01:52:42,280 --> 01:52:45,280
Speaker 1: about the creation this misbegotten show called Love to Love

2040
01:52:45,360 --> 01:52:49,000
Speaker 1: You Bradies, which presumably takes his title from a Donna

2041
01:52:49,000 --> 01:52:51,800
Speaker 1: Summers song that they butchered. The bizarre story of the

2042
01:52:51,920 --> 01:52:55,320
Speaker 1: Brady Bunch Variety Hour, And so yeah, just the less

2043
01:52:55,360 --> 01:52:57,920
Speaker 1: said about it, the better. But I will say Robert

2044
01:52:57,960 --> 01:53:01,360
Speaker 1: Reid aka Mike Brady, the man who hated the entire

2045
01:53:01,400 --> 01:53:04,519
Speaker 1: Brady experience up to this point, had a wonderful time

2046
01:53:04,560 --> 01:53:07,400
Speaker 1: doing this show. He fancied himself a song and dance man,

2047
01:53:07,800 --> 01:53:10,760
Speaker 1: and if you watch clips from it, he's not very

2048
01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:14,559
Speaker 1: good at either, but he commits so much and there's

2049
01:53:14,600 --> 01:53:17,960
Speaker 1: just so much raw joy coming from this man. It's

2050
01:53:18,040 --> 01:53:22,160
Speaker 1: really really great. I love it so much. Ah. Then

2051
01:53:23,200 --> 01:53:26,439
Speaker 1: after this missbegotten Brady Bunch variety show in nineteen eighty one,

2052
01:53:26,720 --> 01:53:28,840
Speaker 1: there was a made for TV movie The Brady Girls

2053
01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:32,200
Speaker 1: Get Married, in which Marcia and jan have a joint wedding,

2054
01:53:32,320 --> 01:53:35,120
Speaker 1: which was notable as the final time that all nine

2055
01:53:35,160 --> 01:53:37,600
Speaker 1: members of the original Brady Bunch cast were on a

2056
01:53:38,000 --> 01:53:40,720
Speaker 1: We're in an on screen project together, and this was

2057
01:53:40,760 --> 01:53:44,280
Speaker 1: a backdoor pilot for a short lived Brady Bride sitcom

2058
01:53:44,320 --> 01:53:48,160
Speaker 1: that lasted just seven episodes. The two couples couldn't afford

2059
01:53:48,200 --> 01:53:50,760
Speaker 1: a house, which is very prescient, I must say, in

2060
01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:53,719
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, and they decided to move in together.

2061
01:53:54,520 --> 01:53:57,439
Speaker 1: Marcia and her husband are more laid back and Jane

2062
01:53:57,479 --> 01:54:00,400
Speaker 1: and her husband are more uptight. I think that the

2063
01:54:00,439 --> 01:54:03,080
Speaker 1: odd couple meets the Brady Bunch, which is a better

2064
01:54:03,120 --> 01:54:06,960
Speaker 1: elevator pitch than it probably had. Sadly it did not

2065
01:54:07,080 --> 01:54:09,240
Speaker 1: work out. And then there was a nineteen eighty eight

2066
01:54:09,360 --> 01:54:12,880
Speaker 1: made for TV movie called A Very Brady Christmas minus

2067
01:54:12,920 --> 01:54:15,559
Speaker 1: Susan Olsen who's on her honeymoon, and that's where we

2068
01:54:15,600 --> 01:54:19,800
Speaker 1: start moving into the Brady drama d phase. I think

2069
01:54:19,800 --> 01:54:22,240
Speaker 1: this tape of TV movie was inspired by the show

2070
01:54:22,320 --> 01:54:26,800
Speaker 1: thirty something which grappled with baby boomers growing up in

2071
01:54:26,840 --> 01:54:29,880
Speaker 1: the eighties, and they were trying to go a similar

2072
01:54:29,960 --> 01:54:33,600
Speaker 1: route With the Brady bunch. Jan is separating from her husband,

2073
01:54:34,440 --> 01:54:37,040
Speaker 1: Bobby is dropping out of his graduate program to become

2074
01:54:37,040 --> 01:54:40,240
Speaker 1: a race car driver, and that ultimately leads to his

2075
01:54:40,360 --> 01:54:44,600
Speaker 1: car accident where he is paralyzed. Alice's relationship with Sam

2076
01:54:44,680 --> 01:54:47,320
Speaker 1: the Butcher is on the skids after he leaves her

2077
01:54:47,320 --> 01:54:51,440
Speaker 1: for another woman. All in all, just very sad Brady family.

2078
01:54:51,880 --> 01:54:54,560
Speaker 1: I like to quote the climax of a very Brady

2079
01:54:54,640 --> 01:54:57,360
Speaker 1: Christmas directly from the Wikipedia page because I can't say

2080
01:54:57,360 --> 01:55:00,760
Speaker 1: it any better myself. The family's Christmas dinner is disrupted

2081
01:55:00,760 --> 01:55:03,520
Speaker 1: when Mike Brady learns that a ruthless businessman that he

2082
01:55:03,600 --> 01:55:07,240
Speaker 1: designed a building for remember he's an architect, has cut corners,

2083
01:55:07,560 --> 01:55:12,200
Speaker 1: resulting in the building collapsing and trapping to security guards inside.

2084
01:55:12,800 --> 01:55:16,800
Speaker 1: Mike manages to free the trapped employees, but an aftershock

2085
01:55:16,960 --> 01:55:20,960
Speaker 1: results in Mike getting trapped in the rubble himself. In

2086
01:55:21,040 --> 01:55:24,160
Speaker 1: the end, Mike gets out of the debris after Carol

2087
01:55:24,240 --> 01:55:29,120
Speaker 1: and the entire family sings, ohcome all ye faithful to

2088
01:55:29,360 --> 01:55:32,480
Speaker 1: save him, to summon him I don't know. I mean,

2089
01:55:32,520 --> 01:55:34,840
Speaker 1: this is like the nuclear option of jumping the shark,

2090
01:55:35,680 --> 01:55:40,040
Speaker 1: collapsing building, summoning the body from the rubble with a

2091
01:55:40,120 --> 01:55:45,080
Speaker 1: Christmas song. It's everything, It's just everything. But yeah, this

2092
01:55:45,120 --> 01:55:48,080
Speaker 1: was the backdoor pilot for the Brady series that aired

2093
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Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety which we talked about earlier. Bobby becomes paralyzed,

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Speaker 1: Marsha Brady played by another actress who wasn't Marie McCormick,

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Speaker 1: struggles with alcoholism, giant bumber, realizing that America I didn't

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Speaker 1: care to see the serious side of the Bradys. We

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Speaker 1: got the satirical movie reboot in nineteen ninety five, with

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Speaker 1: the sequel year later, the lesser known Brady Bunch in

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Speaker 1: the White House made for TV movie that aired in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and two, which I'd never heard of. I

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Speaker 1: can't imagine that it did well post nine to eleven.

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Speaker 1: It probably went the way of That's My Bush and

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Speaker 1: just kind of got like buried because no one really

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Speaker 1: wanted political humor in that era. And my favorite part

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Speaker 1: about all these Brady movies was that the producers went

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Speaker 1: to Florence Henderson to make a cameo and they offered

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Speaker 1: her five grands, which was like the SNL skit of

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Speaker 1: Lord Michael's offering the Beatles three thousand dollars to reunite

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Speaker 1: on his show. She reportedly laughed in their faces, but

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Speaker 1: then fans were clamoring free original og. Missus Brady cameo

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Speaker 1: in these movies, so I guess the producers ponied up

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Speaker 1: enough money and she made the cameo. In the early

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Speaker 1: twenty tens, Vince Vaughan, of all people, was working with

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Speaker 1: Sherwood Schwartz to reboot the Brady Bunch series, but Schwartz

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Speaker 1: died in twenty eleven and this idea never came to

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Speaker 1: fruition him and to date, the last true Brady reunion

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Speaker 1: was twenty nineteens a Very Brady Renovation on HGTV, which

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Speaker 1: we touched on earlier. The project began when the home

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Speaker 1: used for the exteriors of the Brady House was put

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Speaker 1: on the market in August twenty eighteen for the first

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Speaker 1: time since nineteen seventy three. The asking price one point

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Speaker 1: eight eight million, which given its history and the Airbnb potential,

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Speaker 1: kind of seems like a bargain. A bidding war ensued

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Speaker 1: with Lance Bass of in Sync among the interested buyers.

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Speaker 1: We really should have asked them to do a guest

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Speaker 1: segment on this show. I'm really pissed, damn it, because

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Speaker 1: he's doing that. He's doing a couple of iHeart shows actually.

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Speaker 1: But Lance said that he was quote heartbroken after he

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Speaker 1: was outbid by HGTV, who picked up the property for

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Speaker 1: almost twice the asking price three point five million. Can't

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Speaker 1: be a corporation, my dude. I mean, he's had enough

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Speaker 1: of his dreams come true. He went up to space

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Speaker 1: and the Russians, didn't he go into the Russian space

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Speaker 1: station or something? Yeah, I mean in outal So. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Brady's, in conjunction with the HGTV people, did a

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Speaker 1: gut renovation of this house to transform it into an

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Speaker 1: almost identical replica of the interiors filmed on the Paramount

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Speaker 1: sound stage in the late sixties and early seventies, complete

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Speaker 1: with vintage furniture, wood paneling, rotary phones, the whole bit

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Speaker 1: and the show, which sort of featured active help from

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Speaker 1: the Brady kids. They probably just gave him like a

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Speaker 1: hammer to swing or something. Premiered on September ninth, twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: which was almost exactly fifty years after The Brady Bunch premiered,

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Speaker 1: and I'd like to quote from a piece by Lindsay

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Speaker 1: Parker that she wrote for Yahoo Entertainment. From the leaky

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Speaker 1: clay pot that was once shattered by the Brady boys

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Speaker 1: arrant basketball to the kitty carryall doll reclining on Cydey's bed,

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Speaker 1: From the beaded hippie curtains and Greg's attic bachelor pad,

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Speaker 1: to the vintage all of green appliances in the kitchen

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Speaker 1: where Alice used to make her pork chops and apple

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Speaker 1: sauce and pineapple upside down cake. From the long missing

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Speaker 1: family pet tigers, Paisley curtains, wooden doghouse to the icon

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Speaker 1: shag carpeted staircase. HGTV has spared absolutely no detail, spared

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Speaker 1: no expense. Stepping through those blue doors and into the

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Speaker 1: cobblestone walled entryway is like stepping into a groovy portal

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Speaker 1: to nineteen sixty nine. However, there is one addition to

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Speaker 1: the Brady Home that isn't true to the original. There's, finally,

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Speaker 1: at long last, an actual running toilet in the Brady

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Speaker 1: kids shared Jack and Jill bathroom. And you know what, folks,

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Speaker 1: if that's not a fitting ending to this episode. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what is That show set an HGTV record

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Speaker 1: over twenty eight million total viewers. Oh, I'm sure what.

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Speaker 1: People love the Brady Bunch. And you know what, getting

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Speaker 1: a toilet in that house fifty year plot hole in

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Speaker 1: a way that sums up the Brady Bunch. It's a kindler, gentler,

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Speaker 1: warmer version of the past, one that never really existed.

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Speaker 1: Nothing about the Brady Bunch represented a child's experience in

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Speaker 1: the early seventies or ever. But it's the past the

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Speaker 1: way we want to remember it, through rose colored glasses

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Speaker 1: and with a toilet, And you know that's part of

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Speaker 1: the Brady Bunch is enduring power. Watching The Brady Bunch

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Speaker 1: as an adult, it reminds me of this line from

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Speaker 1: Nick Hornby's book High Fidelity, in which his music snob

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Speaker 1: main character wax as poetic about listening to something as

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Speaker 1: horrifically mainstream as the Beatles. The Beatles, he says, belonged

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Speaker 1: to him, having made its mark on him back when

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Speaker 1: his life was small and contained enough for that to

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Speaker 1: be possible. He says, the Beatles make me feel something.

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Speaker 1: They won't make me feel anything bad. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's what the Brady Bunch is for so many people,

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Speaker 1: and I think that there's tremendous value in that. So

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Speaker 1: for all the bad hair, implausible plot lines, and characters

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Speaker 1: behaving in ways that bear absolutely no resemblance to reality whatsoever,

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Speaker 1: I say God bless the Brady Bunch. Did I hit

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Speaker 1: you with the heart? Did? That's a great kicker. I

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Speaker 1: got nothing to add to that. Oh, well done? Yeah, man, folks,

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Speaker 1: thank you for listening. This has been too much information. Oops,

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Speaker 1: all digressions. I'm Alex Hegel and I'm Jordan Runtog. We'll

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Speaker 1: catch you next time. Too Much Information was a production

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Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio. The show's executive producers are Noel Brown and

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Speaker 1: Jordan Runtalk. The show's supervising producer is Michael Alder June.

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Speaker 1: The show was researched, written, and hosted by Jordan Runtog

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Speaker 1: and Alex Heigel, with original music by Seth Applebaum. I'm

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