1 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Is This a Great Gamer? 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 1: What with my Hall of Fame Dad, Tim Kirkshon, I 3 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: am Jeff Kirkshon, and we're going to three episodes a week. 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: That means the middle episode will be our interview in Today. 5 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: With the NFL Draft kicking off on Thursday, April twenty fourth, tomorrow, 6 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: we have Mel Kiper ESPN NFL Draft Guru beyond gurus, Dad, 7 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: How were we able to get him right before the draft? 8 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 2: Well, look, I know Mel pretty well after all these years, 9 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 2: and I've done a bunch of radio shows with Mel. 10 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 2: He and dary Noka do a baseball Well, they do 11 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 2: a radio show, they bring me on to do baseball. Look, 12 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: Mel's from the Baltimore area. I've known him for a 13 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 2: long time and he's he's a very very generous guy 14 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 2: with his time and his information, so he was more 15 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 2: than happy to do this. I'm just glad we got 16 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 2: him because once the draft starts, Jeff, I'm sure there 17 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: is no talking to Mel Kuiper because his head is 18 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 2: filled with heights and weights of tackles from Boise State. 19 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: I don't know how he does it, but it is 20 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 2: truly remarkable. 21 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: And it is remarkable how much recall he was able 22 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: to have of all of his love of the game 23 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: of baseball, whether it was today's game or growing up 24 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: as you mentioned dad in Maryland, his favorite players, a 25 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: crazy famous Hall of famer he ran into in a 26 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: place nobody expected. Mel kiper joins, is this a great 27 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: game or what let's do it? 28 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 2: It is draft week in the NFL, and our guest 29 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 2: this week is my friend mel kiper ESPN Draft expert 30 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 2: mel This is my son, Jeff. 31 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 3: Honored to be with you guys. That Jeff, your father 32 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 3: always took time during the busy baseball season when I 33 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 3: know he was swamped, and he would have got a 34 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 3: call to come on, Darian mel and sim never said no, 35 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 3: never let us down. He came, He had a wealth 36 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 3: of information, never rushed off. It was amazing. So Tim, 37 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 3: I can't thank you enough. We both land the pleasant 38 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 3: living crab cakes. 39 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: Right. 40 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,119 Speaker 3: We love baseball, we grew up with it, and here 41 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 3: I am with tucking football, which is you know, nobody 42 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 3: would have thought back a long time ago, that's what 43 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 3: I would be doing all right now. 44 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 2: We might not ask you a football question today, and 45 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 2: we will buy We will get to baseball in a minute. 46 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: But please just clear up a few things. 47 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:25,519 Speaker 3: Okay. 48 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,679 Speaker 2: Do you eat a piece of pumpkin pie for breakfast 49 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: every morning? 50 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 3: Explain? Please? All right? Almost every morning? Sometimes like this 51 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 3: time of year, you can't get pumpkin pie. You know 52 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 3: there's a Safeway delivery coming right now, But the bottom line, 53 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 3: you can't always get them, and the pumpkin pies are 54 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 3: kind of seasonal. So when Kim will make a pumpkin 55 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 3: pie homemade, I don't like it as much. So she 56 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 3: makes great food, but pumpkin pies have to be a 57 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,679 Speaker 3: certain way for me and where I don't eat them. 58 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 3: So no, I can't say it's every morning. It's probably 59 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 3: eight to nine months out of the year. That's what 60 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 3: I do then, is I make my own brownies with 61 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:04,399 Speaker 3: my fat free whipped cream. So I have a little 62 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 3: alternative plan brownies I just made because I don't have 63 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 3: any pumpkin pie in the house right now, so I 64 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 3: have to live without it for three or four months 65 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 3: and survive. But I'd say nine months out of the 66 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 3: or eight months out of the your pumpkin pie, not 67 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 3: just in the warning. I'll go through a pumpkin pie 68 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 3: and every day day and a half. Now, what is 69 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 3: wrong with you? Do you just love pumpkin pie? Worse? 70 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 3: It is just who you are. Worse food, Tim, It's 71 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 3: even worse, Jeff and Tim. I don't eat the crust. 72 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 3: I just eat the pumpkin. I have fat free whip cream. Say, well, 73 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 3: what's the method to the madness. All the hydrogenated oils 74 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 3: are in the crust. Okay, So I stay away from 75 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 3: the crust, don't touch the crust, just eat the filling. 76 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 3: And then I have my fat free with ready whip 77 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 3: whipped cream. And that's a fat free milk. And that's 78 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 3: what I do. That's how I good bye. 79 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: Listen. Now, I have never felt so connected to a 80 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: guest before because every Thanksgiving season I always get the standard. 81 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 3: Are you gonna have any pie with your whipped cream? 82 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 2: Because I like to fill it up to a point. 83 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 3: Where you can't even see it. Jeff, if I have 84 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 3: a piece or two of a pumpkin pie, I'll go 85 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 3: through one can of whip cream. With just a piece 86 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 3: of two a pumpkin pie, I go through two or 87 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 3: three cans a day. That's not a lot, two or 88 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 3: three cans a day for the rate I do radio 89 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 3: in New York with the you know, with Roethliberg and 90 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 3: d Pietro. They send me so coming on twenty five 91 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 3: to thirty cans of fat free ready whip whipped cream 92 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 3: because they know how I need that that whipped cream 93 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 3: for my pump I can't eat pumpkin pie without whip 94 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 3: cre If there's no whipped cream in the house, I'm 95 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 3: not eating pumpkin pie. Pumpkin Pie without whipped cream is 96 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 3: like Kirchin without baseball, without the draft. Ainy doing it. 97 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 3: So at the end of the day, it's gotta be 98 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 3: them melded together with a glass of fat free milk 99 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 3: because you need that as well. So it takes three 100 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 3: to get it done, and without that, I got nothing. 101 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 2: I had to mail you brought up Kim, your wife. 102 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 2: When I emailed you this afternoon to make sure you 103 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 2: are okay for three o'clock, I got an email back 104 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 2: from your wife. Is this clear that she runs your 105 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 2: entire life? 106 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 3: Without Kim, it wouldn't be a life anything. I don't 107 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 3: know what would be happening. I certainly wouldn't be doing 108 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 3: a podcast with you right now, wouldn't be having anything 109 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 3: going on that we do because technically I have no 110 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 3: clue about any of this stuff. My father Eve said 111 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 3: when we started. You just worry about answering the phones. 112 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 3: You talk to your customers, you talk to people getting 113 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 3: your reports, and you do the work. I'm gonna handle 114 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 3: all the things business wise. Kim does all that. I 115 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 3: don't have a clue about anything. If something happened now, 116 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 3: I'd be going back to Kim to come fix it, 117 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 3: because I wouldn't know where to start. I'll probably hit 118 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 3: a button and screw everything up. So No, without Kim, 119 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 3: there wouldn't be any operation here, and certainly my life 120 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 3: would have been a lot different. Mel. 121 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 2: Is it true you've never written a check? 122 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 3: Did I hear that properly? Never written a check, Never 123 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 3: use an ATM card, Never use an ATM card, written 124 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 3: a check? No, no fans I ever have. No, that's 125 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 3: not a lot. That's the truth, and Kim can attest 126 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 3: to that. No, never have. 127 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: Well, I have to say I married my wife Emily 128 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty two. 129 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 3: She is incredible. 130 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: She handles her taxes, our finances. I'm starting to become 131 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: like Mel, a little bit inept in anything. 132 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 3: If I had. 133 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: To see how much money was in my flooral one, 134 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 1: k I wouldn't be able to figure it out. She 135 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: just says, Hey, text me that code that just got 136 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: sent to your phone. 137 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 3: I'm getting that way. Hey, I don't know where a 138 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 3: dollar of it is. I couldn't tell you, Kim, that 139 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 3: was where it all is. If I need it, I 140 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 3: got it. I don't know where a dollar of it is. 141 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 3: I can tell you that right now. If you said, hey, 142 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 3: if you needed something, you need a load, I love to, 143 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 3: but I don't know where to have to get the 144 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 3: money anyways, So fuck him. 145 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 2: So Mel, is it true you don't know your cell 146 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 2: phone number or you didn't know your cell phone number? 147 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 3: Well, the cell this is the crazy part. I use 148 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 3: Kim cell. It's my cell, and Kim's like text to 149 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 3: Kim cell. Because I don't care about cell phones. She'll 150 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 3: get the message. I'll respond, I have a cell phone 151 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 3: right in here that I only take to the draft. 152 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 3: Now I'll give that number out to my friends. I 153 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 3: say call it, they call it all year. Once the 154 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 3: dress over and I come back from from Green Bay, 155 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 3: it goes in here and I never check it again. 156 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 3: So any any messages come to that cell phone never 157 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 3: get checked. After I get back from Green Bay. It's 158 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 3: only for five days, that's what. Or when I go out. 159 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 3: When I go out, I take that phone with me 160 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 3: in case of an emergency. Right outside of that, I'm 161 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 3: not checking out that kim Sell only or emails. That's it. 162 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 2: And you have a landline in your house, well, yeah, 163 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 2: we have landline there. 164 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 3: Everywhere's landlines. And why there's method of the madness there too, 165 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 3: because I know very few people have landlines. They come 166 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 3: crazy when you do radio shows, Tim, if the com 167 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 3: rex is an issue, then I have a landline to 168 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 3: do a interview one rather than the cell phone. So 169 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 3: I always had it for that. Right now, we do 170 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 3: it on the com Rex, but the comraxes down for 171 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 3: some reason. The landline rather than a cell phone because 172 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 3: cell phones are frustrating because sometimes they just don't work right, 173 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 3: you know, sometimes you'll lose this connection. So I kept 174 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 3: the landline for that reason. I'm old school with that too, 175 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 3: and probably don't have many percent contents of the country 176 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 3: ten percent of the country. I don't even know what 177 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 3: percentage of the country has a landline now, but we do. 178 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: You know. Our guest last week was Syracuse former head 179 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: coach Jim Beheim, right, I'm a Syracuse graduate, and in 180 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: order to get him on the show, I was told 181 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:08,559 Speaker 1: to text his wife, Julie Beheim. And the funniest part is, Mel, 182 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: I have Julie Beheim's number, not because I was reporting, 183 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: not because I was doing that. It's because I was 184 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: the mascot at Syracuse and while a student, I had 185 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: to do an event for the Jim and Julie Beheim Foundation. 186 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 3: And she said, I don't want a mascot. 187 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: Driving all the way out there and spending money on gas. 188 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: I'll pick up the mascot. So I said, a shotgun 189 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: with Julie Beheim for an hour there and an hour back. Thankfully, 190 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: I wasn't dressed as the orange in the car. 191 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 3: I went as Jeff. But that is why I had 192 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 3: her number, so we were able to set it up 193 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 3: through Julie. That's a great story. Oh my gosh, that's 194 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 3: exactly the way it is here. Everything goes through Kim. 195 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 3: It's amazing. I always say, if you're going to overachieve, 196 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 3: overachieve in marriage. And I majorly overachieved. 197 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 2: Absolutely all right, So Mel, where did your love of 198 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 2: baseball come from? And at what age and where did 199 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: you get it from? 200 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 3: Father was baseball along to him. He played, you know, 201 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 3: coming up through the ranks, thought he could maybe even 202 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 3: move on, but then he got hurt his shoulder and 203 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 3: give up baseball, but ended up coaching and playing. I 204 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 3: just was brought in that environment of baseball, and you 205 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 3: loved the sport obviously with the Baltimore Orioles and grew 206 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 3: up with you know, an Earl Weaver, and then watched 207 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 3: the Orioles all the way through, with the great Brooks, 208 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 3: Robinson and Frank Robinson and Belanger and Boog pal At 209 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 3: Sha Baron, Paul Blair playing that shallow center field, tracking 210 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 3: the ball better than anybody. So when you have all 211 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 3: those so then in the four twenty game winners and 212 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 3: growing up with Jim Palmer when he was coming along, 213 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 3: and Palmer, McNally, Quaar and Dobson the last four twenty 214 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 3: game winners, so you know, just all the great base 215 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 3: and a huge fan of earl Weavers obviously, and then 216 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 3: we had the Cal Ripken era. So it's just been 217 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 3: you know, when you grow up in that environment of 218 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 3: winning and all those personalities and all those Hall of 219 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 3: Fame players, it was easy to be a great baseball 220 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 3: fan ironically, I was a big Dodger fan too, Tim 221 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 3: and Jeff. I love the Dodger. I loved everything in La. 222 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 3: Grew up a big Rams fan, not a Colts fan, 223 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 3: early on, a big rant love Roman, Gabriel, Myron, Patios, 224 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 3: Lest Joseph and Jack Snow, the fearsome, forsome love the Rams. 225 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 3: But then the Dodgers, going back to Walter Austin, then 226 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 3: Tommy Lasorda so Albuquerque. As you know, Tim Kevin providing 227 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 3: all those players to the LA Dodgers through the minor 228 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 3: league system, and then going through when say and Russell 229 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 3: and Lopes and Garvey and you had Jaeger and had 230 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 3: had Toy Cannon, Jim Winn and all those great players, 231 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 3: and Rick Monday and then the pitchers. All the guys 232 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 3: are Andy Meshersmith during those Andy Meshersmith days, going back 233 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 3: to Tommy John before Sandy and I was and Sandy 234 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 3: Kofax I always did. But then those great pitchers and 235 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 3: then Mike Marshall and all the things hether wentber, the 236 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 3: kinisiology major Mike Marshall was and all. So it was 237 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 3: just the Dodgers name at the Dodgers and the Orioles 238 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 3: two great organizations, the love. So that's the how I 239 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 3: grew up with with those entities kind of. I remember 240 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 3: keeping the score of the Dodger games when I was 241 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 3: a kid up every game, final score, winning pitch, and 242 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 3: I kept that all the way through and any notes 243 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 3: about the game. Back in those days, you couldn't watch anything, 244 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 3: so the radio, I'd be listening to the Dodgers against 245 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 3: the Phillies. I listened to Philly broadcast. So you had 246 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 3: to try to. Radio was a big avenue in a 247 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 3: big vehicle to be able to listen to these games. 248 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 3: I did it with football to lay in LSU games. 249 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 3: It would be fading in and out. You'd be listening 250 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 3: on Saturday night to those games. And I did it 251 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 3: with baseball. A father always had a radio with him. 252 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 3: He'd go to bed, he take the radio, listening to games, 253 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 3: listening to baseball, listening to whatever was going on, and 254 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,839 Speaker 3: he was listening to sports talks, sports talk even back 255 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 3: in the day. So radio is a big part of 256 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 3: my life in the early years as well. Well. 257 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 2: Did you ever meet Brooks Robinson? 258 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 3: Frank Robinson? Yeah, what was that play? And it was unbelievable, Brooks. 259 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:48,839 Speaker 3: I ran into Brooks at Joseph Banks shopping for turtlenecks 260 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 3: and sweaters, and I'd begin there would be Brooks Wacani 261 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 3: there and with our talking and he loved and he'd 262 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 3: be We had our seats at the at the Ravens 263 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 3: Stadium at M and T Bank, you know Steve as 264 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 3: he was right above us, okay, and you know all 265 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 3: the people there, and look up, Brooks was right there 266 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 3: up talking to Brooks during a football game, right up 267 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 3: in Steve's Steve box. And I'd go up even at halftime. 268 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 3: Steve was say, come on up, and Brooks would be there, 269 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 3: and Gary Williams would be there, as you know Tim, 270 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 3: So you know it was great you. Brooks was, I say, 271 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 3: the nicest man of any sports personality figure player of ever. 272 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 3: I've met a lot of different sports figures players, and 273 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 3: Brooks was, as you know Tim and Jeff, I mean, 274 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 3: he was one of a kind and the nicest, most 275 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 3: humble man I've ever been around in my life. For 276 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 3: the greatness of Brooks Robinson were number five at lockraven 277 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 3: Optimists because of Brooks Robinson, Okay, I mean that's you 278 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 3: know Brooks round Jim Palmer Ward twenty two early on, 279 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 3: Jim So you were numbers of your Jim Palm or 280 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 3: Brooks Robinson, you know those. Later on, I was a 281 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 3: big Burt Jones fan. Loved that number seven. You know 282 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,719 Speaker 3: Burt Jones growing up, you were up. But think about that, 283 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 3: John Yanitas. Burt Jones with the Baltimore Colts should have 284 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 3: had John Elway. One of the reasons why the Colts 285 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 3: left town. John Elway didn't become a Baltimore Colt. He 286 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 3: was traded to the Broncos without earning your course's knowledge. 287 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 3: I was gonna go work for earning your course in 288 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 3: the cults that fell through because of that, And then 289 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 3: five months later I'm working at the ESPN. I had 290 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 3: never been to the ESPN if it wasn't for that. 291 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 3: So it's crazy how history would have been rewritten for me. 292 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 3: You know, mel, you're just. 293 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: Talking about baseball. You sound like so many other people 294 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: where you're almost transported back to being a child, right 295 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: Like there's a and nothing against football and basketball and 296 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: all of these sports. But isn't there something beautiful about baseball? 297 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: Recall a memory you were talking about your dad keeping score. 298 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: Take us back to young mel Kiper when you were 299 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: at a game and something just really stuck out to 300 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: you that made you think, Wow, is this a great game? 301 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 3: Or what I think? I think? Well, first game I 302 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 3: went to was the sixty six World Series. Wow, that 303 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 3: was the first game I start as five six years old? 304 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:57,719 Speaker 3: Say six, I didn't even turned six, or yeah I 305 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 3: just turned six. And then you go to think tim 306 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 3: and you can correct me if I'm wrong, Jeff, you 307 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 3: and Paul Malader's first game. I think one of the 308 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 3: first games Paul Malolder played was a stadium and I 309 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 3: was out there watching that game and Paul millarder and 310 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 3: I said, boy, he looks like he could be really good. 311 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 3: And look what Paul Malod developed into. So yeah, I'm going. 312 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 3: And I remember I used to love double Nothing was 313 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 3: better for a kid than a double header. And back 314 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 3: remember we had the true double header, and I loved 315 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 3: one the double headers. A Memorial Stadium and my aunt 316 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 3: lived right off of the rhetor Aorunda stadium. So go there, 317 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 3: park there and walk over, go there after school at 318 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 3: Calvert Hall, whether it's weekends or whatever. So now I 319 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 3: went to probably as a kid, roughly twenty five to 320 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 3: thirty oriel games a year as many as I could 321 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 3: go to at that particular time. So yeah, always Opening Day. 322 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 3: Would all make sure we went to Opening Day if 323 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 3: we always could. But playoff games. I remember being out 324 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 3: there when it was snow flirring at some games. Yeah, 325 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 3: at Memorial Stadium. I love Memorial Stadium and also what 326 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 3: I loved as a kid, and Jeffy, I don't think 327 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 3: you ever and most kids will ever see this. I 328 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 3: love to be able in September to be in an 329 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 3: oral game on a Tuesday Wednesday and see the outline 330 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 3: of the football field, knowing it on Sunday I'm gonna 331 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 3: be watching the Baltimore Colts play. It was just a 332 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 3: great feeling to be in that stay and knowing, Okay, 333 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 3: I love what I'm seeing here with baseball, and then 334 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 3: on Sunday, I'm gonna be watching a Baltimore culture. I 335 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 3: just saw the Colts. Now I'm watching the Orioles. And 336 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 3: those stadiums where they were dual purpose multi purpose was 337 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 3: great for a kid. It was just a great feeling 338 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 3: and you don't get it now because it's great. Hey, 339 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 3: I love these stadiums. I love what they do. But 340 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 3: it was also great for a kid to be able 341 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 3: to sit there saying, boy, it's like you're home away 342 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 3: from home, and I'm going to be back on Sunday 343 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 3: here watching the Baltimore Colts play in this Saint on 344 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 3: the same field, same stadium. That's what I loved. And 345 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 3: a lot of kids, I think, don't have that a 346 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 3: level of enjoyment anymore because of that. 347 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, your memory transported me back and help me remember this. 348 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: The nineteen ninety nine World Series. I was six years 349 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: old when Tino Martinez hit a Grand Slam at Yankee 350 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: Stadium ninety eight. Okay, so I was five years old, 351 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: and isn't it amazing? I remember the roar of the crowd, 352 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: the excitement around that home run five. 353 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 3: But that's what baseball does, is it captivates you. It does, 354 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 3: And the memories, early memories I have. I remember being 355 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 3: even playing when I was a kid down at Mount Pleasant, Okay, 356 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 3: Mount Pleasants Field, up at York Wood We used to 357 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 3: play up at Yorkwood Field up there, and then down 358 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 3: at Mount Pleasant. So even as a player, you remember 359 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 3: when you first, you know, had that bat in your hand, 360 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 3: had that glove on your and it's the first thing 361 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 3: I ever knew was baseball. And going to games when 362 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 3: I was probably even earlier than that. What I remember 363 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 3: is that one, but I may probably was dragged out 364 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 3: to a game earlier even even that, and then after 365 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 3: that it's once it's in your blood and you love 366 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 3: it and it's just something about to be able to 367 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 3: sit there like on a Saturday and that Tim knows 368 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 3: this would help in terms of getting that love and 369 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 3: that passion and that looking forward to we didn't have 370 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 3: games on every night, I could go in there and 371 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 3: I have it. I love watching the late night games 372 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 3: because that's when it frees up time for me, is 373 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 3: at ten thirty eleven o'clock at night, and I love 374 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 3: watching the West Coast games. I love that because everything 375 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 3: calms down, the phone's not ringing. I'm not don't need 376 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 3: anything else to be done from the ESPN standpoint, and 377 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 3: not going to relax and enjoy that. But as a kid, 378 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 3: the only games we had were Oriol games, and then 379 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 3: we had Saturday. As you know, it's him two fifteen, right, 380 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 3: Joe Garagiola, Tony Kubeck, you know doing that two fifteen game. 381 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 3: That's the first time on Saturday afternoon at two fifteen 382 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 3: Eastern we had a chance to watch the National League 383 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 3: or other teams. Then Monday Night Baseball started where we 384 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 3: were just watching the Orioles. So you really look forward 385 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 3: to that Saturday afternoon. They gave us a doubleheader was great. 386 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 3: But that Saturday afternoon at two fifteen Eastern with Garagiol 387 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 3: and Kuebec, it was one for the books. And then 388 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 3: we remember all the great broadcasters, and that's what I 389 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 3: always remember as well. Those were the ones, those individuals 390 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 3: I think contributed to the love of our of the game, 391 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 3: the love of the sport. Were the great broadcasters as well. 392 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 3: That I always say, the voices of the sport, the 393 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 3: voices of football, the voices of baseball. And that's something 394 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,959 Speaker 3: that in your memory bank forever. And luckily you can 395 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 3: unfortunately you can go to the internet now and pull 396 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 3: those games. Not do it a lot. I'll go back 397 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 3: and watch a game, a Coke game from back at 398 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 3: the Memorial Stadium. Remember the Christmas Eve game against the 399 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 3: Raiders in the late seventies, an overtime game ruined my 400 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 3: Christmas when we lost that game. You remember the Ghost 401 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 3: to the Post and all that, So you know, those 402 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 3: those are the things you could go back and watch. 403 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,479 Speaker 3: The Orioles from days to watch Weaver arguing out with 404 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 3: the Tiger game, you know, Earl flipping the hat, wrote 405 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 3: kicking the kicking the third I mean Weaver. Earl Weaver 406 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 3: was unbelievable and just and all those personalities of the Orioles. 407 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 3: And I even I referenced Paul Blair to him the 408 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 3: other day in terms of tracking the ball. They go 409 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 3: about receiver. I said, no, why tracked the ball better 410 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 3: than Paul Blair did, played that shallow center field and 411 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 3: nothing got by him, nothing went over his head. He 412 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 3: got through the warning track. Then he was great, a 413 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 3: great player to watch. So luckily, Tim, we had great players, 414 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 3: great teams to grow up with. And when I watched 415 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 3: the Dodgers or listening to Dodgers, I had great players 416 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 3: there to watch as well. 417 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: Now we do a segment on the show where we 418 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: had people send us voice notes for I am a 419 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: seam head, right. It's them admitting something that maybe you know, 420 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: you don't talk about on a first date with a woman, 421 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 1: but between us fans of the game, you would go, wow, 422 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 1: that's impressive. Like knowing one guy send us a note 423 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: that he knows who made the final out of every 424 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: World Series in the last like sixty five years, right, 425 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: So not asking you to be that nerdy or that impressive, 426 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: whatever way we want to look at it. But is 427 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:22,719 Speaker 1: there something in baseball that you love, something about the numbers, 428 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: something about a stat something about those teams growing up 429 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: that makes you a bit of a seam head. 430 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 3: Well, I remember stir ups and sanitaries back in the day, Timmy. 431 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 3: It's the one thing. I wish they had a dress 432 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 3: code in baseball. I wish we could get back to 433 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 3: that instead of the sweatpant. Look you know where the 434 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 3: sweat Yeah, I wish we could get back to that. 435 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 3: But baseball changed over the years. But in terms of 436 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 3: I just I always gravitated to the uniform and the 437 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 3: numbers and trying to remembering the numbers. That's what we 438 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 3: do in football. You remember more the number than the 439 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 3: player's name immediately. And then you would always keep scores. 440 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 3: I always try to keep score as many orio games 441 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 3: when they were playing on the road, they'd be playing 442 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 3: in Cleveland where they were playing, keep scoring of the game. 443 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 3: I still have that back there. I can show you 444 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 3: some of those keys I kept score of back in 445 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 3: the seventies, early seventies, So it's it lend itself to 446 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 3: baseball because of the pace of the game. You know, 447 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 3: now they have all these different things going on. I 448 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 3: don't understand, Tim, you have to explain to see some 449 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 3: of the things going on. I used to be just you know, 450 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 3: RBIs in the aver batting average and that he got 451 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 3: a million ways with analytics to evaluate a baseball player. 452 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 3: But it was a little simpler back then. But you know, 453 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 3: I think the numbers and the stats and everything that 454 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 3: went involved with baseball and now it led to analytics. 455 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 3: And I always say for football, I was kind of 456 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 3: doing analytics before it became in vogue. I was always 457 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 3: keeping track of how many of this position did well. 458 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 3: Running backs I started that trend of not taking your 459 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 3: running back in the first round. Everybody's kind of jumping 460 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 3: on that bandwagon. So you try to do a little 461 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 3: analytics with everything you do. And certainly for baseball it's huge, 462 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 3: and in football now it's taken over. As you know, 463 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 3: Tim and Jeff. Now football is all about analytics as well, 464 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 3: so and the draft is kind of about analytics. So 465 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 3: it's all ties together these two sports in a lot 466 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 3: of ways. And then watching some guys like Kirk Gibson. 467 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 3: Kirk Gibson I rode up from Michigan State is a 468 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 3: heck of a wide receiver. He could have been great 469 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 3: in the NFL, but baseball stole Tim. You stole Kirk. 470 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 3: You guys playing baseball, And then with the Dodgers ruined 471 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 3: in the A's and Dennis Eckersley when he was hurt, 472 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 3: you didn't even know if he was gonna play, and 473 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 3: he hits that home dramatic home run. And here's Kirk Gibson, 474 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 3: who I rode up as a football player, could have 475 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 3: been a great wide receiver with his size, his physicality, 476 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 3: his his ball skills, his hand eye coordination and all that. 477 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 3: But he ended up playing baseball. And so you always 478 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 3: had that type of thing too, where you had, you know, 479 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 3: great athletes. It's just winning of John Elway even threatened 480 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 3: to play baseball when he was drafted member by the Colts. 481 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 3: I'm gonna play baseball, and they traded him to Denver. 482 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 3: So the the memories I have too, some of those 483 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 3: guys that could do everything. We talked about how great 484 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 3: Travis Hunter is. Kirk Gibson was an unbelievable athlete back 485 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 3: in the day, and a lot of those baseball players 486 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 3: could have played Dave Winfield. What do you get drafted 487 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 3: in three sports? Tim? Yes, he did so. 488 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 2: Now you know a lot about baseball. You have an 489 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 2: encyclopedic memory about football. I know baseball, basketball, and scoms 490 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 2: from the sixties, and that's all I know. Does your 491 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 2: memory bank work for things other than baseball and football? 492 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 2: Can you remember phone numbers? Can you remember things when 493 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 2: you and your wife would go out? 494 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 3: How does that work? I don't remember much of anything 495 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 3: beyond this stuff, Tim, I really don't. I mean, and 496 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 3: even people always asking me about a lot of things 497 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 3: from the draft going back, and I do remember a 498 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 3: lot of what went on back in the nineteen seventies 499 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 3: when I started. But going forward, we're always looking for 500 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 3: the next prospect him, you know that, girls looking for 501 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 3: the next great player coming out of high school into college. 502 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: Now. 503 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 3: I'm a big college football fan as well. You gotta 504 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 3: be yes, I grew up loving college football, loving the 505 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 3: great voices of college football. I was a huge Chrishenkle 506 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 3: fan back in the day. Got a chance to talk 507 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 3: to Bill Fleming back in the day, who was a 508 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 3: unbelievable voice of college football as well with the college 509 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 3: football today. The only time we had got highlights was 510 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 3: that Sunday with college foot all today league into NFL Today. 511 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 3: That was all Bill Fleming hit me up all night 512 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 3: tim Saturday night, driving all over to get to a 513 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 3: studio to put all that together so we could see 514 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 3: highlights of six games. See the band at halftime stadiums 515 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 3: we didn't see because we didn't watch those, weren't able 516 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 3: to watch those games on TV. And Bill Fleming provided 517 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 3: a lot of that as well. So I grew up 518 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 3: Howard coch Sells and all the great broad Gay, Keith Jackson, 519 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 3: I mean a great broadcame Lindsey Nelson. I mean that's 520 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 3: why I say the voices of sports for me tow 521 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 3: I'll go gradual and coupback. That's what I think grabbed 522 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 3: you as a kid, and just you maintained that love 523 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 3: and that passion you couldn't miss and you knew that 524 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 3: voice and you really watched it as much for the 525 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 3: game as the voice and the broadcaster that's covering that game. Okay, 526 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 3: just it just had you had a certain feeling about 527 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,199 Speaker 3: it when you watched it. When that broadcaster and that 528 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 3: voice was calling that game. So for me, I don't 529 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 3: look back as often as I look forward now, Tim, 530 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 3: So my memory, no, I don't remember much at all. 531 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 3: Chemist remind me a lot of things that were going 532 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 3: on or with scheduling or this that, and phone numbers 533 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 3: some not a lot of have you'll if I took 534 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 3: you back to the office, Tim, you're all your viewers. 535 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 3: You're millions of viewers that would be looking at somebody 536 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 3: say is he nuts in a drawer next to me? 537 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 3: I have ripped off papers of phone numbers that I've 538 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 3: never I tried to put them together the best I can, 539 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 3: but it's totally disorganized. When I have to find a number, 540 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 3: I have to go through like ten twelve sheets of 541 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 3: paper that I'll have all these numbers to find the 542 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 3: number of the person I'm looking for. So it's just 543 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 3: and I kind of like doing that. I don't mind 544 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 3: if I it just gives me something to I'll go 545 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 3: through it. But I have that back in the office 546 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 3: as well. I got all kinds of books back there 547 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 3: on baseball. If he'll get back there. It's kind of 548 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 3: a memorabiliy Pete Rose signing different things, this, different autographs 549 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 3: from all different people the helmet phone from the nineteen 550 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 3: ninety four draft to Freddie get All, he gave me 551 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 3: the ESPN helmet phones. Back there was the Bill Tobin year. 552 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 3: So if you go back there, there's tons of memorabilia 553 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 3: back there in my office from baseball. I got Saint 554 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 3: Louis Cardinal cap back there. I got the Michigan Ohio 555 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 3: State going back there, I got tons of stuff back down' 556 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 3: big into that memorabilia. I used to have the baseball 557 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 3: cards back and they got tons of them, Tim millions 558 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 3: boxes of baseball cards from back in the day. So yeah, 559 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 3: that's the office back there, if you ever want to 560 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 3: take a look. And I got letters I kept from 561 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 3: George Jung and all Bill Walsh and Don Shula when 562 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 3: I would send them the report. So I've kept all 563 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 3: those letters and a book back there, so I have 564 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 3: all that. So I go back there and check it 565 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 3: out every once in a while. It's great the relive 566 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 3: some of those things. As you were getting back they 567 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 3: say in the seventies and eighties, from those those legends 568 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 3: in the National Football League, Well. 569 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 2: The baseball cards, did you play with them, did you 570 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 2: flip them, did you trade them, or did you just 571 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 2: save them in a box. 572 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 3: I saved them in a box, and I could I 573 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 3: have box after box there with the rubber band around them, 574 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 3: you know, the piles of stacks that I'm kind of 575 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 3: organized by team or whatever, and they're back there, and 576 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 3: you know, I'll just I just I guess you could 577 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 3: trade it. I just kept them and saved them. I 578 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 3: like looking back at them. They little gum in there 579 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 3: with them, a piece of gum, you know, And I 580 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 3: just it was something about base My uncle had a 581 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 3: grocery store, so he had baseball cards. It was on 582 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 3: the grocery store. So not always going over to the 583 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 3: grocery store with my uncle and I grabbed back of 584 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 3: cards and always just kept going and going, from the 585 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 3: time I was five six years old all the way 586 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 3: up to my teen years a card after card after card, 587 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 3: and box after box of baseball card. And I didn't 588 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 3: do it much for I have some football cards, but 589 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 3: it was baseball cards that you kind of gravitated to. 590 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 3: I have some for football, a decent amount, but baseball 591 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 3: is probably ten to one in terms of the ratio 592 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 3: of baseball cards the football cards. 593 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: Now now really fast. This is a first in podcast history, 594 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: as I mentioned before we hit record my twenty month old. 595 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 3: It's my dad and I in. 596 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 1: The basement recording with mel Kiper and she woke up 597 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: and I didn't think this would happen. So McKinley is 598 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: just appearing now. Can you say hi? 599 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 3: Say hi, good job love. 600 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: So you had mentioned before we got on the air. 601 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 3: You have you have an eight month old grandchild, right, granddaughter, 602 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 3: Blakeley Blakelee Grace. Yeah, adorable. 603 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 1: This is McKinley, Hope. Can you tell us a little bit. 604 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: First of all, this is pop Pop is what he's called? 605 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: What is your grandfather name? Have you been gifted one yet? 606 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 3: We've tried. Kim's been throwing a different one. Blakelee's she's 607 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,719 Speaker 3: just starting with my mom and dad, dad and what. 608 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 3: But I said, I'll let Blakely decide whatever she wants 609 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 3: is fine with me. You know, Kim's deciding which she 610 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 3: wants to be. Then Stephen, Sharon, Alex's parents, they have 611 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 3: to they're deciding what they're gonna be. I think Steve's 612 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 3: gonna be Pop and then I don't think Sharon's decided yet. 613 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 3: That's Alex's parents, my son in law. So I said, 614 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 3: leave it up to Blakely. Whatever Blakelee wants to call me, 615 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 3: I'm fine with She's an angel, so yeah, she I 616 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 3: have her pictures Lauren gave us for Christmas where the 617 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 3: pictures just rotate back there. So every time I walk 618 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 3: in here, I got Blakeley, Blakelee, Blakely. So hey, we 619 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 3: keep in contact Lauren pretty much all day. Facetiming gives 620 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 3: us a chance. I haven't been able to see her 621 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 3: for doing all this stuff for the draft for the 622 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 3: last week, and I think we make get out their Saturday. 623 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 3: But yeah, it's amazing. So for McKinley and for Blakee, 624 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 3: you know, couldn't be happier. Like I say, it's great 625 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 3: with the like I said, but she will be an athlete. 626 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 3: I guarant see that. The house is a great volleyball 627 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 3: player at Stevenson University. That's where Lauren and Alex met 628 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 3: at Stevenson University. He was a volleyball player out of 629 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 3: Pennsylvania Steeler fan by the way, Tim and Jeff and 630 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 3: uh and then Lauren athlete through high school playing all 631 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,919 Speaker 3: three sports. Played you know, golf. She was actually she 632 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 3: does really good golfer, but she played in high school 633 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 3: three different sports, and she got the Seine marklan Kelly 634 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 3: Award for the best senior in her school. So she 635 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 3: was athletic, and Alex is athletic, and so I would 636 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 3: think Blakely. I mean, we're not gonna force her. But 637 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 3: I can always see Tim I put that little ball 638 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 3: in her hand. I can see her throw and I 639 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 3: don't look. She throws left end right, So I don't 640 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 3: know what she is yet, but she's gonna I think 641 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 3: she'll be an athlete. She'll be tall. Alex's six fourth, 642 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 3: so I always predicted she'd probably be five ten, five eleven, 643 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 3: so we'll see, Say Alex is sixty four. It looks 644 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 3: like Blakely's gonna be tall as well. 645 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: Well, listen combined, I don't think my wife and I 646 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: are the size of your son in law. 647 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 3: My wife's four ten and I'm. 648 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 1: Barely five foot six, So I think we either have 649 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: a jockey on our hands or a theater kid. 650 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 3: I don't know if a might be whatever worth all 651 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 3: five that all works, Hey, I grew up with Hey, 652 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 3: Tim and Freddie Pottek. My favorites with the Kansas City 653 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 3: Royals Manti tal who is a guard with the member 654 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 3: A great NC State wolf Pack basketball twenty five. Yes, 655 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 3: I know all the little guys of yeah, the Freddie Pottek, 656 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 3: the shortstop at the Royals during all those great years. 657 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 3: So yeah, it's like I say, that's the thing I've 658 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 3: beut baseball to where in football you can as well, 659 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 3: but in baseball you size who cares, like I say, 660 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 3: you can play the game. And it's amazing though when 661 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 3: I see baseball players now, the ability to see that 662 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 3: ball and hit that ball, and elevate that ball and 663 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 3: just do the things they do with that fastball sim 664 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 3: that's coming in ninety If you throw less than ninety 665 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 3: five now, it's like everybody's at ninety seven, ninety eight 666 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 3: hundred miles an hour. I don't know how to hit 667 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 3: the ball. I mean, to have that ability to see 668 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 3: that ball coming in a movement the way these pictures have. 669 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 3: It's amazing. They can hit the ball with the consistency 670 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 3: they do. And what Otani's doing is amazing. I mean, 671 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 3: Travis Hunter is the closest thing coming out this year 672 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 3: playing both ways. But what Otani does, what these baseball 673 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 3: players do in general, when you get on that field 674 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 3: and you get at that plate and you see how 675 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 3: close that picture is. On TV, you don't get a 676 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 3: real good feel for that. But when you're at that 677 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 3: play and you see how close that picture is, it's 678 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 3: amazing that these hitters in Major League Baseball are able 679 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 3: to do what they do because these pitchers are bringing 680 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 3: it and I don't know how. I don't know how 681 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 3: they do it, Tim, but they are amazing athletes. And 682 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 3: they say Ted Williams, did they have the best eyesight 683 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 3: of anybody? Tim back in the day, Great Ted Williams. 684 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 2: That's unbelievable. 685 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 3: Yes, eyesight and be able to spot. Just to be 686 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 3: able to do that, to me is all inspiring. So 687 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 3: when I watch this on TV, you really don't get it. 688 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 3: That's why I like to sit behind home plate and 689 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 3: then in football being the end zone and watch the 690 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 3: plays develop, because you really don't get an appreciation for 691 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 3: how difficult it is to hit a baseball just put 692 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 3: it in play. Is amazing what these do. 693 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 2: Said it a million times. Mel average fan gets a 694 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 2: thousand of bats of the big leagues. He gets zero hits, 695 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 2: he puts no balls in play. He might not even 696 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 2: make contact. That's how hard it is, all right, McKinley, 697 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 2: Hope is on the move. So Mel, we are gonna 698 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 2: let you go only because we have a sixteen month old. 699 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 3: Said enough of that, Mel. 700 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: The best part is that this is what the show 701 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: is all about. This is ours a family podcast, right. 702 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: We're not breaking down you know, oh Tani's change of 703 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: his swing. We're not doing the important stuff you do 704 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: analyzing these players. So to talk about you being a grandfather, 705 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: to talk about your love of the game, I mean, 706 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: that is what this show is all about, Jep. 707 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 3: Tim, next year, I promise I'll have Blakely sitting here 708 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 3: right with you when we do this. If we do 709 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 3: it again, I'll hopefully I have Blakely sitting here right now. 710 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 3: It's a great idea. 711 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 2: It's a great idea. 712 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 3: Mel. 713 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us in the middle 714 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 2: of your busiest time ever. We really appreciate it. 715 00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 3: If you could call me the night before the draft, 716 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 3: I'll do it. If you're the best. You've been a 717 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 3: great friend over the years. I have great respect and 718 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 3: aberration for the work you do. Nobody does it better. 719 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 3: And Jeff, I'll tell you fun to be with you, guys, 720 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 3: So yeah, keep it going, Tim, work till you're one 721 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty pou because, like I said, I love 722 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 3: watching you. 723 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 2: Right, that's next year, Mel So Yes. 724 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: Dad had a great line to end the interview with 725 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: mel Kiper. Thank you to mel for joining us. And 726 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a firm believer Dad that if there's 727 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: two guys in this industry who were going to work 728 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: until they're one hundred and fifty, it's you and mel Kiper. 729 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 2: All right, if I get to seventy, that's two more years, Jeff, 730 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 2: it will be a miracle. But I really believe. 731 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 3: That Mel don't say that is timeless. 732 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 2: He is a lunatic and that is the ultimate compliment. 733 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 2: You heard what he talked about. He's got slips of 734 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 2: paper all over his office of phone numbers. It was 735 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 2: absolutely priceless. And he loves football so so much that 736 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 2: I can't imagine and the draft happening without mel Kiper. 737 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 3: So you know, God. 738 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 2: Bless him for being this enthusiastic and this energetic for 739 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 2: anything after all the years that he's done it. He 740 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 2: is a national treasure on so many levels. 741 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: Tomorrow morning on is this a great game or what 742 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: another episode for you? Including Dad? The greatest number nine 743 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: of all time from Ozzie to oral. 744 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 2: In my correct and the greatest number ten and as 745 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 2: a tribute to mel Kiper and the NFL Draft will 746 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 2: have the All Major League Baseball college football team guys 747 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 2: that played collegiately and then went on to play in 748 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 2: the major leagues. 749 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: New episodes Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays wherever you love to listen. 750 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: Don't forget to hit subscribe and share the podcast with 751 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: somebody you know who loves this game as much as 752 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: Sweet here. 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