1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:01,960 Speaker 1: Man, Gunnersville is on fire, isn't it? 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, dure unbelievable. 3 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 3: Danielle and I had an opportunity to fish Gunnersville a 4 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 3: couple weekends ago, and we were ecstatic. We landed on 5 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 3: a spot where we brought eighteen We called every fish 6 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 3: that we had there, right, every single one, eighteen and 7 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 3: a half eighteen point eight five pounds, and both of 8 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 3: us thought, damn man, we might actually be doing something 9 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 3: with this bag. 10 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 1: We show up to weigh in. 11 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 3: This is a club tournament, right, so just a small 12 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 3: thirteen boat deal. We show up to weigh in and 13 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 3: we're sitting in second place, and we're ecstatic. 14 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: We're in check, but we don't win it. 15 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 3: The winning team that had twenty pounds they got us. 16 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 3: We end up getting bumped down to third. But then 17 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 3: we look at the results from a big two hundred 18 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 3: and fifty boat tournament. Guys, when I tell you that, 19 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 3: we wouldn't even sniff like, we would have had an attaboid, 20 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 3: not even. 21 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 2: That, not even not even a pat on the back. 22 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 2: And we thought we were hammering them, but we were 23 00:00:59,480 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: hammering them. 24 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 3: They had sixty bags over twenty pounds in that two 25 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty bow turnament. 26 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 2: It is so crazy. 27 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 3: It's just fishing unreal. And then I had an abt. 28 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 3: I went back to that same spot. Second cast, me 29 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 3: and my partner, we caught a six point six to six. 30 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 3: That's probably why we didn't catch that fifth fish, you know, 31 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 3: six six six. 32 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, the devil was against us. 33 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 3: But we thought for sure like this was going to 34 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 3: be a lights out day and. 35 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 2: It just didn't. 36 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 3: It didn't turn out that way for us. But it 37 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 3: took nearly thirty pounds. Every one of these tournaments on Gunnersville, 38 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 3: it is taking thirty pounds for guys to win. 39 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. It's hard to say if 40 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: that spot even has thirty pounds on it, but the 41 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 2: way that we fished it, it's hard to stay. And 42 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: when a six to six comes off of it, like 43 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 2: the first couple casts, it's so hard to leave a 44 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 2: spot like that, you know, and just like want to 45 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 2: stay there all day. 46 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: We sat there for a while. 47 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 3: I want to go back to our tournament when we 48 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 3: were in that club, because I thought you and I 49 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 3: fished really smart throughout the day. We showed up to Gunnersville. 50 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 3: Didn't know anything. We didn't know where any of the 51 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 3: fish were. I'd had some knowledge on that there, you'd 52 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 3: only been there twice or that was your second time, 53 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 3: and we started to kind of look around. There were 54 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 3: a couple of things that we wanted to hit. We 55 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 3: wanted to hit some docks and just see if they 56 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 3: were on that. We wanted to hit some grass to 57 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,239 Speaker 3: see where they were. And we went to a spot immediately, 58 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 3: and we knew there must have been fishing in the 59 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 3: area because we were surrounded by a couple other boats, 60 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 3: but we weren't on the juice. So we went over 61 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 3: and you wisely said, hey, let's fish this dock. You 62 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 3: threw a chatterbait out on the end in boom, you 63 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 3: got walloped. It wasn't a big one, but it was 64 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 3: good enough to get the ball rolling, and we built 65 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 3: off of that. What do you think the success was 66 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 3: with that cast and getting that fish? What did it 67 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 3: clue you into? 68 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 2: Well? I think remember when we pulled back in there, 69 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 2: it did have the warmest water temperature on the entire leg. Yeah, 70 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 2: so that was the main thing. And then I guess 71 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 2: and we were fishing those docks fast. We were like 72 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 2: burning through those docks too. I remember we weren't fishing 73 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 2: them slow. 74 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 3: Can you explain to everybody why you want to look 75 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 3: for the warm water, especially in early spring that pre. 76 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 2: Spot era, you have to have the warmer water. I mean, 77 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 2: it just makes a fish want to move back and 78 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 2: like try to search out that warmer water from the lake. 79 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,239 Speaker 2: And that's when that's typically when you'll catch some of 80 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 2: your biggest bass of the year because the females, you know, 81 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: they have their guard down, they're moving in and they're 82 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 2: looking for that warm water to try to set up 83 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 2: to spawn. So that's what we tried doing in the morning. 84 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 2: But it was strange that that didn't work out because 85 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 2: we had had some nice weather for those couple of weeks. 86 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that it didn't work out because it 87 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 3: actually didn't get enough time. 88 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 2: We give it enough time. 89 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 3: We had three off the docks, and I think what 90 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 3: ended up happening is when we found that warmer water early, 91 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 3: because we got out of there before eight o'clock. 92 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: The sun was barely coming up when we got out 93 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: of there. 94 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 3: We had three fish in the live well. I just 95 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 3: don't think the females were up as shallow as the males. 96 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 3: The males are starting to get ready to clear out 97 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 3: those beds, and in some places on Gunnersville they're already 98 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,119 Speaker 3: doing that. M Yeah, that's a difference a week makes. 99 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, It's almost like if when the sun's even brighter 100 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: out this time of year, they move up and it's 101 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 2: like in the summer, like you're like, oh my gosh, 102 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 2: it's so freaking hot hot out the sun so high 103 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 2: in the sky. You know, there's not going to be 104 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 2: any fish up in two foot of water. But I 105 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: think the more that I'm starting to fish these areas, 106 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 2: the more I'm starting to realize during the springtime, the 107 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 2: hottest part of the day is the best time of 108 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 2: the day. 109 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 3: For those that don't know, Daniel moved to Alabama from 110 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 3: West Palm Beach, Florida. He was fishing Okachobe all the time. 111 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 3: What have you kind of seen in the last couple 112 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 3: months of how different fishing a Florida lake is compared 113 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 3: to Alabama. 114 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 2: It changes every day every single day. It's like almost 115 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 2: like the fish are bait oriented as well as like 116 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 2: seasonally oriented, so you have to like stay on top 117 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 2: of your game, which is really really strange as a 118 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 2: fisherman to be able to catch fish in one spot 119 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 2: one day and then you go back the next day 120 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 2: and they're just not there at all. 121 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 3: It makes you realize how versatile some of the pros 122 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 3: that are from Alabama truly are. 123 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and that's that is what I'm starting to realize 124 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 2: more because you and I just fished a little tournament 125 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 2: the other night where I thought we were on them. 126 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 3: I want to talk about that because to me, it 127 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 3: was the one moment in fishing and I don't mean 128 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 3: this in a negative way where I actually felt like 129 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 3: I could show you something. 130 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, if you did me did You've. 131 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 3: Taught me a lot about fishing. But when we and 132 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 3: we'll get back to the Gunnersville thing in a minute, 133 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 3: but we'll talk about this Monday night wildcat. We were 134 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 3: putting in at a ramp that was about as far 135 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 3: away from your fish as we could get to, and 136 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 3: there were so many variables that came in, and one 137 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 3: of them came true. 138 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: In my mind. 139 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 3: I was like, we're going to go down to this 140 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 3: stretch of docks and there's gonna be somebody on it. 141 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 3: And I remember coming around the corner and when we 142 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 3: cleared this one dock. 143 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: You went, damn it, somebody's on it. 144 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 3: And then you looked at the next doc and you're like, shit, 145 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 3: somebody's on that way. 146 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: And we just ran twenty eight minutes. 147 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 2: And we're getting those due God just sitting on it 148 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 2: like literally power poles down like he's crappie fishing. 149 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 3: So we, you know, punt and we go to another 150 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 3: spot and I end up getting tagged on a chatter 151 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 3: bait and I'm set in the hook and I'm sitting 152 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 3: there going, oh, this is the good one. I see 153 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,799 Speaker 3: the flash. It was the biggest crappie I think I've seen. 154 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 3: And my favorite part of this is for those that 155 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 3: don't know, I'm your typical white Anglo Saxon Protestant white 156 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 3: dude from America. Daniel's last name is Vasquez, so you 157 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 3: know he's a sanded brown boy. 158 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 2: Baby. I'm eating them fish, dude, I don't care. 159 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: We have fished several tournaments. 160 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 3: We fished several tournaments where I've caught catfish and I'll 161 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 3: look at Daniels. 162 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: Daniels like, oh, dude, go ahead and throw that thing 163 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: in the live one. 164 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 2: No the catfish, no more, no more. Calf is the 165 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 2: calfish just not good around here. 166 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: So the crappy, right, we catch that, But it gave 167 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: me a clue. 168 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 3: It made me realize that there was life and there 169 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 3: was activities underneath the docks, and they were in that 170 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 3: open part. Like I was throwing underneath a pontoon that 171 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 3: was in a lift. 172 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: So once I noticed. 173 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 3: That you were working these outside pilings and you started 174 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 3: to get bit but they were short striking short strike. 175 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: So they were just trying to move it out of 176 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 1: the way. 177 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was weird. It was I think that they 178 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 2: I think the spots are around the dock spawning right now. 179 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: That makes sense. 180 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 3: A lot of people don't know about spotted bass, but 181 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 3: they will spawn in six to eight foot of water. 182 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 3: You feel more comfortable there, especially if that's a dock 183 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 3: that gets a lot of sunlight and you have to 184 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 3: look for that. Like those southern facing banks on a 185 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 3: lot of Southeastern lakes and just a lot of bodies 186 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 3: of water, it gets more sun throughout the day, so 187 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 3: you got to start. 188 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:29,239 Speaker 1: Kind of looking at those things. 189 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 190 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, the uh the best part of that though, was 191 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 3: we took that crappie and we threw it in the uh. 192 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: We threw it in the live Weell because you wanted 193 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: to try it. Did you eat it? 194 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: Made a sandwich? Yeah? 195 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: Okay, good? 196 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was delicious. It was I love craffee, man. 197 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 2: It was better than the calfish catfish no more that 198 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 2: you saw. We took really good care of it. That 199 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 2: we caught this catfish on Gunnersville, by the way, you caught. 200 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: It right, yeah, and I always yeah, we. 201 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 2: Bleed it out and everything like that. I was like, 202 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 2: maybe this thing will be good. It was not good. 203 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 2: It tasted like soil. 204 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 3: Dude. 205 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 2: It tasted like the bottom of the lake. It was terrible. 206 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 3: I just love how we do this in tournaments because 207 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 3: I had a couple of tournaments when I lived in 208 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 3: Georgia and I caught a mammoth catfish and I brought 209 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 3: it back and the guys in the way in line 210 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 3: were like, what are you doing? 211 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, because our friends are making fun of me too. 212 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 2: Afterwards are They're like, there's your friend want there's drum 213 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 2: on club too. It's like, no, dude, I don't want 214 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 2: your drum bro catfish maybe well definitely not anymore. 215 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 3: I think what we need to do in our club 216 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 3: tournament is we need to do a side pot for 217 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 3: trash fish, like who gets the biggest trash. 218 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, we should also do a tournament one day's smallest bag. Oh, 219 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 2: that's fun. 220 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: I might be a shoeing. 221 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 2: Smallest bag is fun. Like everybody bringing in little twelve intus. 222 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 2: That's hard. It comes down to ounces. 223 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 3: Let's get back to the Gunnersville tournament, because it actually 224 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 3: was a really good tournament for us. You know, your 225 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 3: second time on the water. I'd been there a handful 226 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 3: of times, and I had some ideas where I wanted 227 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 3: to go. I treated it like a practice for the ABT. 228 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: I just wanted to find some things. 229 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 3: We end up going to a couple docks where and 230 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 3: bid on docks where you're getting bid out on a 231 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 3: miracle mile. Then we end up going south and we 232 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 3: found this one little spot that was an absolute gem. 233 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 3: Looking at it, it's very nondescript. It wouldn't It doesn't 234 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 3: look like anything right, It doesn't look like anything. But 235 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 3: I think the way that the current moves through. 236 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 2: There is something. It just funnels a fish into this 237 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 2: little pocket because it's there's this narrow area that goes 238 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 2: back into another narrow area, and I think that's what 239 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 2: congregates them there. It's like the perfect spot for them 240 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 2: to stage, like literally the perfect stop. 241 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 3: It was almost like you know when you go and 242 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 3: you have to stand in a long line, whether it 243 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 3: be for tickets or Yeah, it's kind of like tickets 244 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 3: you're going to a concert. 245 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: The main river was the parking lot. 246 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 3: We walk across it, we get to the next area, 247 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 3: which is the line before you go through security. Well, 248 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 3: the end goal is getting into the show. That's exactly 249 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 3: what these fish were doing. They were hanging out in 250 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 3: the line leaving the parking lot, getting ready to go 251 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 3: through security, and we whacked them. But Gunnersville is so 252 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 3: interesting because as big of a body of water that 253 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 3: it is on the Tennessee River, you have to find 254 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 3: the smallest little pieces of structure, and for us, it 255 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,119 Speaker 3: was grass. It was just this one pocket of hydrilla 256 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 3: that was holding these big fish we pulled nearly twenty 257 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 3: pounds off of. 258 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 2: And the crazy thing is Spencer. Imagine if we got 259 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 2: there earlier, who knows it would have happened? 260 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 3: Right? 261 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 2: Who knows? 262 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: Well? 263 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 2: Because we only spent what two hours there? 264 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we were there in the middle of the afternoon. 265 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 3: I think we got out there like twelve thirty we 266 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 3: caught nineteen pounds off of there, and we. 267 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: Left, and people would go, why would you leave? Honestly, 268 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: you and I both. 269 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 2: Had to let him rest a couple times there worse, 270 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 2: a couple of times we had to let him rest. 271 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 3: Why wouldn't we have thought when we were doing the 272 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 3: way that we were working that pocket where we were 273 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 3: kind of starting here going down the line and then 274 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 3: we'd move over about twenty thirty feet we'd. 275 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: Go down that line. Is that not enough of arrest? 276 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: Is still they get a lot of vibration. 277 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 2: Well, what happens is especially what happens when they're because 278 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 2: remember on Livescope, we could see them like moving around, 279 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 2: they'd like scatter around, and then they'd come back in 280 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 2: a group again. And when they'd come back in that 281 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 2: group again, we'd fire over into the hydrill. That's when 282 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 2: we catch them. But when they'd scatter all about, it 283 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 2: was almost like they were lost, or like they were 284 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 2: scared of our baits, or like they were searching out 285 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 2: and they were just harder to catch. 286 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: They were just trying to get back to. 287 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,439 Speaker 2: It or something, or maybe try to get back to 288 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 2: where they wanted to be and I think I think 289 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 2: that's the reason why we had to leave them and 290 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 2: we can't. And we didn't leave them for that long, 291 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 2: I think because we only left them once once we 292 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 2: found that spot. Remember, we ran down to the other 293 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 2: pocket because you were like, maybe this other one will 294 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 2: set up the same, and it didn't. Well, because you 295 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 2: have certain there are four boats in there too. 296 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: There's certain types of lakes. 297 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 3: You have pattern lakes, right, guns it's. 298 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: Like a spot specific. 299 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, with you got and you go to Tin House 300 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 3: and guys are like, we're whacking them in Tin House. 301 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 3: You can be in South Bay and they're not catching anything, right. 302 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 3: Gunnersville is very similar. There's guys that are like, oh, 303 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 3: I spent a lot of time in Sea Bowl. I 304 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 3: was whacking them in there. I go down to Brown's. 305 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 3: I didn't do anything. 306 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, guys try. 307 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 3: To replicate, and that's when you get in trouble because 308 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 3: you can't run on Gunnersville. You have to kind of 309 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 3: expand your area where you find your fish. 310 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 2: I learned this from a really, really prestigious fisherman back 311 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 2: in the day that eighty percent of the tournament winning 312 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 2: fisher and twenty percent of the lake and that's as 313 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 2: a tournament fisherman what I kind of take into consideration. 314 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 2: That's why we made that long run on Monday, because 315 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 2: I'm like, this is the only place where I've found 316 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 2: such a big group of fish that we could potentially 317 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 2: roll through numbers and catch a big one. Because during 318 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 2: the spring, that's the deal, right, and during the summer 319 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:45,239 Speaker 2: that's the deal. And that's what we found on Gunnersville. 320 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 2: You know that spot was loaded, man, Well that next 321 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 2: weekend loaded. I've been like having dreams about it and 322 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 2: wanting to go back, but it's like and it's like, 323 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 2: do I want to go to Gunnersville and drive an 324 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 2: hour and forty five minutes or do I want to 325 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 2: go out and master my home lake, which is Logan Mark. 326 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 3: Gunnersville also had that the weather that came through, the 327 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 3: tornadoes that hit a lot of places. We did have 328 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 3: some fatalities Alabama. 329 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 1: It's terrible. 330 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's awful to hear about. And we're fortunate to 331 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 3: be able to go out and fish these lakes. But 332 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 3: I've already heard Gunnersville is blown out and there's a 333 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 3: lot of float all that kind of stuff, and just 334 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 3: a matter of days. 335 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, happens a lot. 336 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 3: The mudline is still pretty prominent, but there's a real difference. 337 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 3: A lot of guys get scared of fishing clean water, 338 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 3: like clear water. We were fishing relatively clear water when 339 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 3: the stingy. But then when that mudline started to settle in, boy. 340 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: Did that bike pick up. 341 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 2: It did well. We were we were fishing. We were 342 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,719 Speaker 2: fishing the mudline, like literally the mudline, and then when 343 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 2: the mud line would roll in, it was almost like 344 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 2: they were change. Yeah, it would change. It was it was, 345 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 2: it would move around. Uh, and it was like almost 346 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 2: like the fish were like using that as like I 347 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 2: can't say to ambush prey because it's so hard to 348 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 2: say because we're still firing on hydrilla, you know. 349 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 1: I think but they were more comfortable. 350 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 2: I think Dustin Connell says, the water ain't dingy, they're 351 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 2: going to be stingy. Yeah, so you know, and it's true, 352 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 2: you know, especially with the way that that bite was 353 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 2: that day. 354 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 3: There was some pressure. There was some pressure in that area. 355 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 3: We had one low kid fish into. 356 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 2: The like he'd go up and come back down, up 357 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 2: and bat. 358 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: It was so interesting. 359 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 3: He was doing similar things on his trolling motor that's why. 360 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: But he also he also wasn't catching the size. 361 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, because he was on the clean water because you know, 362 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 2: and he wasn't firing into that one little patch of 363 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 2: hydrilla that we were firing into on that mudline, and 364 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 2: that that made everything, you know. 365 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 3: Wes Logan is a guy who's been on the podcast 366 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 3: numerous times. He's a super good dude, talented in the 367 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 3: bass Master Elites. In fact, this week, at the time 368 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 3: we recorded this, he's in the bass Master Classic on 369 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 3: Ray Roberts. You want to talk about weather, and it 370 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 3: looks like it's getting worse all week. 371 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 2: Oh, it's supposed to be bad. It's I didn't even 372 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 2: look at it. I haven't been paying attention to the cloud. 373 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 2: I know they had their little event. 374 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 3: Last night, but yeah, crazy windy, you know, twenty to 375 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 3: thirty mile an hour goes. 376 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, that's Oh. So it's going to be 377 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 2: like practice. 378 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: It's going to be interesting. 379 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 2: Wonder how they'll cancel a couple of days. It seems 380 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 2: like the bass Master has been doing that a lot lately. 381 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 2: I'm really curious to see if they'll postpone or cancel 382 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 2: one of the days. 383 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: Of the class for safety. 384 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 3: I could see him doing it, but for fish ability no, 385 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 3: like which is crazy. You don't want to cancel the 386 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 3: Classic because fishing could be hard. 387 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: But if it's an unsafe lake, well that's unsafe lake. Yeah. 388 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 2: If it's thirty blowing thirty, you know they're gonna man. 389 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw some of those practice 390 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 2: did you see Trey McKinney's boat, and yes, oh my god, 391 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 2: just trying to load the dang thing. 392 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: But there wasn't anything that the main event could have done. 393 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: It was his practice trailer to get practice out. 394 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was trying to get out, right, It looked 395 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 2: like he was trying to get. 396 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 3: Trey's boat, was trying to get on his trailer. He 397 00:15:57,920 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 3: offloaded his boat. He was going to try to get 398 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 3: out because it was a bad scenario. He went on 399 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 3: social media and talked about it and people were like, 400 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 3: why didn't you get out and try to help them. 401 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: There's nothing you can do. The waves you're crashing like that. 402 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 3: Trey has to try to ride the top of one 403 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 3: of those waves and it's gonna slam down on top 404 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 3: of that trailer just to get it close. And Ben 405 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 3: Milliken's account showed shared the video, but he wasn't there 406 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 3: one recorded. 407 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, there's a lot of so. 408 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 2: Much social media there. 409 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. 410 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. In fact, we need to talk about some social 411 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 3: media hate. We also have to talk about some decisions 412 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 3: that bass Master has made and they're not the only ones. 413 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 3: The NPFL made the decision too. But the new information 414 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 3: rule has become highly politicized with people, and I don't 415 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 3: understand why. I'm lost because the anglers asked for stricter 416 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 3: penalties and better enforcement on their rules, no information rules one. 417 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 3: What's your feeling on that. 418 00:16:58,080 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 2: If you do the crime, you god do the time. 419 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: So you're in agreement. 420 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not trying to be the rumor starter 421 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 2: gospel starter, but everybody knows like Scott Martin gets information, 422 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 2: everybody knows that, right, it's a joke in the industry, 423 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 2: you know, everybody makes jokes about it. So for him 424 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 2: to finally get dcu'ed on Okachobe, that just goes to 425 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 2: show that they're being serious about it. 426 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 3: And I'm seth Fighter said the same thing. You know, 427 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 3: he was like two guys a bass master got pinched. 428 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 3: One of them is a really good dude, the other dude, 429 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 3: it was kind of expected exactly, and of course he 430 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 3: was on with Dave Mercer, and Mercer kind of pushed 431 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 3: a little more like can I ask who's and he's like, well, 432 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 3: I've never heard a bad thing about Matt Heron, That's. 433 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: All he had to say. 434 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is like there are guys, especially when you're 435 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 3: in the fishing world, you kind of know, yes, you 436 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 3: get senses and you get feelings, and then you find 437 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 3: out the way that some of these guys are getting information. 438 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's Scott. 439 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 2: Watch the guy's YouTube channel for like an hour. Yeah, 440 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 2: just watch the guy's YouTube channel and you'll be like, yeah, 441 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 2: this guy. 442 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 3: Gets some of the ways that I'm hearing these pros 443 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 3: can cheat is wild to me. 444 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because the schedule drops and they have like 445 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 2: a certain amount of time to be able to get 446 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 2: information quote unquote, and they either do or they don't. 447 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 2: And some of the guys that are the best in 448 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 2: the world, sorry, guys, they get information. I hate to 449 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 2: be the breaker. 450 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 3: And I'm okay with guys getting information, Yeah, but I 451 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 3: don't want you getting. 452 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 1: Information when the schedule comes out. That's the rule. 453 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 3: If you want to go fish, Okachobe, let's let's talk 454 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 3: about Okuchobe. You want to fish Oka Chobe. Scott Martin 455 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 3: lives on Okuchobe. Yeah, he's been fishing it for years. 456 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 3: But to get information within the seven months eight months 457 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 3: when the schedule's out, No, Like you live by a 458 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 3: different rule because you play in that world. But if 459 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 3: you know that you're going to be there in April 460 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 3: or you're going to be there in March, and you 461 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 3: know kind of what the fish do, you already have 462 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 3: a heads up. Yeah, but you still got to go 463 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 3: out and find them. So I'm okay with guys getting 464 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 3: information outside of when the schedule gets dropped. 465 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: And once it gets dropped, you can't talk about it. 466 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 2: So Spencer, let me ask you this, what do you 467 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 2: think is the difference between like getting information from a 468 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 2: local guy and like going on a Facebook page before 469 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 2: it turns when it's no off limit or when it's 470 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 2: off limits, and like joining a Facebook page for the 471 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 2: local lake and just watching, you know, because that's that's 472 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 2: never been brought into any rule situation or a conversation. 473 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 2: Because there are some pros too that will go right 474 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 2: on the Facebook and join a local tournament group and 475 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 2: just look and watch. Do you think that's no information real. 476 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: No, But here's the thing. 477 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 3: I listened to a pod the other day and Gussie 478 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 3: was talking about this and Gussie was like, look, we 479 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 3: can't talk about it, we can't get information about it. 480 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: We can only see what's readily available to us. You see. 481 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 2: So that's that's a great area. 482 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 3: But it's not really great area because no, because look 483 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 3: what we do for tournaments, right You and I will 484 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 3: sit down and we'll be talking about a game plan 485 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 3: of a tournament that we want to fish. We'll pull 486 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 3: up YouTube, we'll see what guys did a year ago. 487 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 3: But again, most of the time is a year ago 488 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 3: jumping on a Facebook group. You and I both know 489 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 3: the worst people to talk to about fishing are fishermen 490 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 3: because they're one not always going to tell you the truth. 491 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 3: I mean, how many guys across the stage at ABT 492 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 3: and they're like, I'm catching on rayburn red rattle trap 493 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 3: and I'm catching on chatterbait. That's not always the case. 494 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 3: They're not always catching it on that exact color. There's 495 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,959 Speaker 3: variations of what guys do, there's techniques that they do, 496 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 3: so you don't always learn that the pros are smart 497 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 3: enough to delineate what information sounds viable and what stuff 498 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 3: is bullshit? 499 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know. It's so hard to say. 500 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 2: That's That's what I'm saying. It's so hard to police, 501 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 2: like who are you going to DQ? Next? You know, 502 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 2: like are you going to DQ a guy that you 503 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 2: know is in a tackle shop and just hears it 504 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 2: and there's some bass message like it's so hard to police, 505 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 2: like like who's gonna be the next guy that getsdcuted? 506 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 3: But that's not what's happening. Kind of is if you 507 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 3: have a little bit. When I was working with Buddy Gross, 508 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 3: Buddy and I traveled to Florida. We get into the 509 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 3: truck and as soon as the door closes, he goes, 510 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 3: I just want to tell you we can't talk about 511 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 3: this lake in Florida and we can't talk about this 512 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 3: like okay. 513 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,479 Speaker 2: So it comes down to management as as as yourself correct. 514 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 3: Yes, you have to be the one as a pro 515 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 3: to be able to say don't do it. I had 516 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 3: a friend of mine who called me and said, it 517 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 3: is like four days before the ABT and he says, hey, man, 518 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 3: I just fished the lake that you're going to fish 519 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 3: this next weekend. And I said, you can't tell me 520 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 3: anything about it, don't say a word about it. 521 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 2: Okay, but then what happens if you when you still 522 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 2: fail the polygraph, When you still fail the polygraph, it's 523 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 2: so hard to police. 524 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,959 Speaker 1: Well, polygraphs are only sixty six percent. 525 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. If you fail the polygraph, you're disqualified. 526 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 1: Most of the time. 527 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 3: Most of the time they're not admissible in court. So 528 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 3: there's a part of me that feels like, yes, I 529 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 3: understand that's the golden rule, but I do appreciate the 530 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 3: guys who self report. 531 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 1: Look the Scott Martin thing. 532 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 3: Let me tell you about the Scott Mart's I don't 533 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 3: think he's self report. He didn't because he kept saying 534 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 3: at one point I had to be reminded of the conversation. 535 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 3: If you self report, you don't have to be remind. 536 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 2: Exactly exactly that was. That was what do they call that? 537 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 2: When you're saving face? He's saving face? 538 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So I immediately thought that was a little suspect, right. 539 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: The Matt Herron deal. 540 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 3: I've noticed with Matt Herron and some of the things 541 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 3: that have surrounded him. 542 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I think it's kind of a coup. Yeah, I agree. 543 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: Un I think I think I feel kind for him. 544 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:27,719 Speaker 1: I do too. 545 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 3: I think it was a way for for for best 546 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 3: to kind of look at it and go, now we 547 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 3: have an opportunity. 548 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly I agree. Because they knew he would 549 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 2: They knew he would probably just finish his season off 550 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 2: then because he has no he can't requalify once you 551 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 2: get decued and a certain amount of times you know 552 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 2: you're going to be the lowest in the standings every 553 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 2: turn you can't requalify for the elites. Yeah, now Scott's 554 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 2: going to have a really hard time requalifying. 555 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 1: But because if. 556 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 2: He's the lowest in the standings, there's like that's when 557 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 2: our buddies from the EQS run in and they take 558 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 2: their spot. 559 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 1: But a lot of this up, a lot of the 560 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: information stuff came up. 561 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 2: He had to cut his losses essentially, right, Yeah, so 562 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 2: which is it's You're right? I agree, it was a. 563 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 3: Coup with with some of the the things that people 564 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 3: continue to talk about with you know, self reporting in 565 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 3: this and the one in the MPFL. People are like, 566 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 3: it's not that bad and blah blah blah. Everybody knows 567 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 3: the rules. So even if you are on a live camera, 568 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 3: which happened in the NPFL, and you just ask how 569 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 3: your buddy's doing. 570 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: He's in the tournament. That's gaining information. 571 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 2: So that's what happened. What did he do? 572 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 3: Essentially, he turned, he turned to the camera guy and 573 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,239 Speaker 3: he was just talking about an area and he said, well, 574 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 3: I hope he's catching him down there, or have you 575 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 3: heard if he's catching them? Oh no, So it's it's 576 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 3: a matter of language, right, Like it just sounds kind 577 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 3: of easy to say, but if you have a guy 578 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 3: who validates the question, goes, yeah, he's catching him down there, 579 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 3: that's information. 580 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 2: Well wait, who did he get that information though? 581 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 1: Is that like camera guy? 582 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 2: It was a camera guy? Oh no, so oh man, 583 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 2: that stinks. 584 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: But you say it on live, you know what I mean? 585 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 2: Like, it's because if you were to run down there 586 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 2: and then join his buddy, you know, that's that's gaining 587 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 2: a competitive edge. 588 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 3: I've been in tournaments before where they're like, hey, look, 589 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 3: you can call anybody who's in the tournament and you 590 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 3: can talk about things. But they change that rule in 591 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 3: MLF now you can only talk to them while you're 592 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 3: on the water. 593 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 2: Yes, that's what I was just about. To say, because 594 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 2: when I first started fishing the opens back in twenty thirteen, 595 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 2: I was with a couple of guys that I jump 596 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 2: on the phone during the tournament and call their other 597 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 2: buddies and ask if they're a fisher around, what were the. 598 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: Rules for you guys in the open? 599 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 2: Uh? To be honest, dude, I was so young. I 600 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 2: was following the rules obviously, but I wasn't paying attention 601 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 2: because my boater was responsible for most of them. You know, 602 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 2: as a co angler, you don't really have that many, 603 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 2: you know, rules besides making sure you're Fing'll tell you 604 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 2: a couple. 605 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 3: Of things that might blow your mind when it comes 606 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 3: to gaining information. Apple air tags, yes, putting them in 607 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 3: a guide's boat, letting a guy dull. 608 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 2: People will start their phone like Navionix app. They'll just 609 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 2: start their phone. And how hard is it to remember 610 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 2: a spot too? You know? So, and that's that's what really, 611 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 2: that's the man. 612 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 3: I'm hiring guides for your friends, yep, and then having 613 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 3: them report back. Yeah, there's numerous ways the guys cheat. 614 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 3: But if we really want to save this sanctity of fishing, 615 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 3: you just can't have that kind of stuff. 616 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 2: But like I'm saying, Spencer, how are these guys? How 617 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 2: is bass master? And the I'm going to be able 618 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 2: to police this? Like one hundred percent, They're not going 619 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 2: to be able to. 620 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 1: They they won't. But listen, I've seen a lot of 621 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: stand up things. 622 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 3: Gerald Swindle will stand up in a in an event 623 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 3: where I can't remember exactly what happened, but something he 624 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 3: did where he caught a fish and he went against 625 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 3: the rule I think know he was trying to fish 626 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 3: for a better fish and the hook was outside the mouth. 627 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I remember. 628 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 3: He didn't have anybody in his bow. There was no marshall, 629 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 3: there was no cameraman. He had his go pro and 630 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 3: he self reported to the tournament director and said, I 631 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 3: caught a fish it was outside the mouth. 632 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 2: Well, I believe too. The elites have to have a 633 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 2: GoPro in their care. Were recording twenty four to seven 634 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 2: with their marshal and he didn't just even tho if 635 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 2: it doesn't go on live, they have to have it 636 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 2: in there. 637 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 3: When I was marshaling, and I had Scott Martin, Greg 638 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 3: Hackney both in the Classic, and then I had Mike I. Kinelli, 639 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 3: all three of them told me like, hey, you can 640 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 3: stand in the back of the boat, you can send 641 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 3: the chair or whatever. Please don't block the camera. Yeah, 642 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 3: I said, no problem, so I knew, like at all 643 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 3: times where that camera was. 644 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 2: It's a good way to keep him accountable. But it's also, 645 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 2: you know, good for them. 646 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 3: They don't want any They don't want anything that happened 647 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 3: from somebody else possibly ruining their day on the water 648 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 3: because they don't know if they're going to go out 649 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,199 Speaker 3: and bag them. And then they also don't want anybody 650 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 3: blocking the camera because if they have an epic day, 651 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:43,959 Speaker 3: they want to be able to have that footage. So 652 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 3: it's good that the cameras are in there. It's great 653 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 3: for the organizations because they can use it. But as 654 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 3: far as information, I really do just love the way 655 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 3: that Bass has it set up. Once we put out 656 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 3: the schedule, you can't I think. I think the matter 657 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 3: of the scheduling is the big problem though, because when 658 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 3: the schedule comes out for the bas elites in the past, 659 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 3: the opens guys are still fishing and they're not held 660 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 3: to the same standards as the elite guys in the past. 661 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 2: Yep. 662 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 3: Now I'm happy because that's like the minor leagues trying 663 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 3: to go pro. You have to be held to the 664 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 3: same standard. 665 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 2: Absolutely, you're on Spencer, you nailed it. Nailed it, dude. 666 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 2: You're really good at this bass fish and stuff. 667 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 3: You know a lot about it, bro, I know a 668 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 3: lot about it when it comes to fish. 669 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: I looked at the old tournament. 670 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 3: I looked at him and I was like, man, I 671 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 3: can't catch fish, and He's like, no, no, no, you always 672 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 3: catch the one, big one. 673 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, You're always good for a big one and 674 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 2: a catfish, sure, and craffee. 675 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 3: So I'll tell you what, if I come across the stage, 676 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 3: if they go Spencer Graves waghing into fish. 677 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: It might be an absolute stud. 678 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 2: You just don't know big fish. 679 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: You just don't know. All right. Good. 680 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 3: I'm glad that we got a lot of this uh 681 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 3: talked about today because the no information rule is such 682 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 3: a big deal and a lot of people have jumped 683 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 3: on social. 684 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 1: Media, Oh stop doing this. He's a good man, he's 685 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 1: a man of Christ and all this stuff. 686 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 3: It's great that they are who they are, But the 687 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 3: reality is, when you sign up for any tournament, there's 688 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 3: rules you gotta follow. 689 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 2: Who is next to be d qed? 690 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: That's a big question. That is a big question. 691 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,479 Speaker 3: Could we see a disqualification in the Bass Master class. 692 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 2: Gosh, that would be wild. 693 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: We'll see you guys next week.