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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I'm Dale LOLLI, he is Dean, Matt Williamson

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Speaker 2: and Matt it is time for the Fantasy Folk Fantasy

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Speaker 2: focus here. I can't speak to say football focus, Fantasy

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Speaker 2: football focus here on the Drive and uh well, Devin

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Speaker 2: a Chant. We got a Chan. It was just a

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Speaker 2: heartbreaking two carries, two touches after.

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Speaker 3: Being waiting for him to come off. Ir, he's gonna

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Speaker 3: kickstart your team. I know you have him in our league.

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Speaker 3: I have him in my other league. Start them up.

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Speaker 3: It's the worst feeling.

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Speaker 2: There's and there's I texted you in the middle of

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Speaker 2: the game. I'm just, you know, covering the Steeler game.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I've got my fantasy lineup up and audition

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Speaker 2: everything else. I kept every once in a while peak

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Speaker 2: at I'm like, did Chan get hurt? Sure?

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Speaker 3: Did? And early?

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Speaker 2: Which is the worst two touches. So I not only

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Speaker 2: am a in our league, I not only lost a

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Speaker 2: Chan this week after two touches. I lost Mark Andrews

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Speaker 2: after two touches. Needless to say, I'm down like eighteen

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Speaker 2: points going into tonight's game, and I've got the Eagles

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Speaker 2: kicker I'm not gonna wear and yeah, I'm not gonna win.

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Speaker 3: Good game.

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Speaker 2: If I just get ten points out of those two guys,

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Speaker 2: play just play, yeah, just play. Anyways, it also hurt

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Speaker 2: our DFS lineup because, well, we're right now we have

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Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty point five to six points. We

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Speaker 2: need about nineteen points to get into the money.

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Speaker 3: Okay, who do we have again?

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Speaker 2: We have Rashi Rice going tonight. Yeah, it'll be tough,

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Speaker 2: tough now that said that being said, Philadelphia is thirty

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Speaker 2: second against opposing wide receivers. So if Rice goes out

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Speaker 2: there and catches, you need to score. He definitely needs

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Speaker 2: to get a touchdown. If he has six for eighty

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Speaker 2: in a touchdown, we're good.

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Speaker 3: It's possible. It's possible.

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Speaker 2: It's not We're not outside of you know.

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Speaker 3: No, it's not crazy talk. I think he's the best

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Speaker 3: receiver to own from them for sure going forward. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and expect the second half of the year to be

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Speaker 3: good for Rice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because maybe the maybe the Chiefs look at this,

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Speaker 2: or the the Eagles look at He said, well, my whoever,

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Speaker 3: He chief play when they quadrupled kel Miami.

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Speaker 2: It was against Miami. They just they quadrupled. We take everybody,

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Speaker 2: We're going to put everybody on Kelsey and force them

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Speaker 2: to go elsewhere with the football.

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Speaker 3: Then maybe team are doing for.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe Rashie Rice has a big game.

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Speaker 3: I give him a twenty percent chance of coming through.

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Speaker 2: Even if we got five for.

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Speaker 3: Seventy in a touchdown touchdown, it would work. Possible, possible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyways, so our our lineup this week, we had

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Speaker 2: Kyler Murray and the quarterback spot.

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Speaker 3: Is it ever we started now?

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Speaker 2: I kind of He had a top twelve. Yeah, he

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Speaker 2: had twenty two points, sixty six points, not great, but

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Speaker 2: he had two fourteen, a passing touchdown, a rushing touchdown

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Speaker 2: he runs fifty five yards rush, and an interception. The

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Speaker 2: interception might hurt us negative, but he was started in

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Speaker 2: twenty one point one percent of leagues. We had David

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Speaker 2: Montgomery only owned in seven point nine percent of leagues

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Speaker 3: Dave Montgomery owners are very happy with him this year.

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Speaker 3: He's been a stub at the time, but he's been

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Speaker 2: He's been a stud. Eight Chan was used in seven

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Speaker 2: point nine percent of leagues one point five points. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we picked the wrong Jaguars receiver this week. We did

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Speaker 2: Christian Kirk we had in the lineup at fifteen point

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Speaker 3: Jags are back and looking strong.

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Speaker 2: But it was Ridley with one week. I'm not ready

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Speaker 2: to say they're back. Then won five out of six,

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Speaker 2: and I'm saying offensive from a fantasy standpo Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Like, I'm not sure I would be all on board

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Speaker 2: It's been a little He had more interceptions going into

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Speaker 3: It's been a rough year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we had the great Tank Dell in the lineup.

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Speaker 2: He had thirty thirty one point nine Fantasy points, but

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Speaker 2: he was owned in fifty eight point six percent of league.

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Speaker 3: Receiver owned that much with so maody to pick from him.

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Speaker 2: Fifty nine hundred dollars. I mean, he's just a.

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Speaker 3: Bargeal, but defense man, I'm all in on that.

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Speaker 2: We also had get this one. Trey McBride was our

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Speaker 3: There's some good ones on buy and all that stuff.

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Speaker 3: But man, and we were five catches for forty three

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Speaker 3: Kyler was over twenty percent. Yeah, like people were in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we as where we DJ Moore that was the

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Speaker 2: right call, call DJ Moore seven for ninety six in

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Speaker 2: a touchdown. He was owned in twenty six point nine

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Speaker 2: And then the Steelers defense was only owned in seven

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Speaker 3: So really, all I'm seeing here is two things worked

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Speaker 3: against us. A chan is almost impossible to overcome. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean you lose a guy in the first quarter.

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Speaker 3: Awful that you paid some good money for.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sixty six hundred dollars we spent on him. We

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Speaker 2: could have if we pivoted anyone, anybody who played the

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Speaker 2: entire game, any back in that neighborhood.

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Speaker 3: And a lot of our guys were really highly owned, yea, some.

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Speaker 2: Of them were, like David Montgomery. David Montgomery's seven point

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Speaker 2: nine percent ownership was a great call. Yeah, So again,

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Speaker 2: we need about eighteen nineteen point nineteen If we get

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Speaker 2: twenty points out him. We definitely finish in the money.

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Speaker 2: Surprisingly enough, not a lot of guys still remaining left

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Speaker 2: look at the you know all the rosters out there,

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Speaker 2: and you can't see everybody's roster, but there'll be a

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Speaker 2: lot of minutes remaining. Yeah, yeah, a lot of people

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Speaker 3: Really, you would think homes Kelsey Rice, You'd.

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Speaker 2: Think Eagles Chiefs are a lot of a lot of

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Speaker 3: The guys though, I mean they were seeing the quarterbacks J.

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Speaker 3: Brown are expensive.

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Speaker 2: They were looking at this week's leaderboard.

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Speaker 3: Well there were some points this.

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Speaker 2: Week, only four three hundred yard passers. This week. You

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Speaker 2: had CJ. Stroud at three thirty six, two touchdowns, three interceptions. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: get sacked three times in that game as well. You

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Speaker 2: had Brock Purty at three thirty three with three touchdowns

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Speaker 2: against Tampa Bay. I went back, and while we're in break,

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Speaker 2: I look back, look back at what party did against

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Speaker 2: the Cleveland Browns in Cleveland. He was twelve for twenty

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Speaker 3: Right, And I don't speak for you, but I'm certainly

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Speaker 3: coming around on party. I mean, he's not a joke

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Speaker 3: at all, and he's playing really, really well. I think

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Speaker 3: what you're saying is the Browns do that.

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Speaker 2: The Browns do that. Yeah, really, they're really good at.

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Speaker 3: Home especially, I mean that Niner team is a force.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you had Tua with three twenty five, two touchdowns,

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Speaker 2: one interception. He also fumbled, if that hurts you as

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Speaker 2: well though, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Tyreek was in out of lineup. A Chan obviously was

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Speaker 2: And then the final three hundred yard passer was Jordan

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Speaker 3: I think that was his best game as a pro. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and he impressed me against Steelers too. I had a

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Speaker 2: One thing we noticed Sarah Arizona, Tampa Bay Vegas and

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Speaker 2: The You can throw Washington into that too, because they

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Speaker 2: made Tommy DeVito look like an NFL quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's definitely one. I think there's plenty of those

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Speaker 3: the Dvoa segments talking defenses, and those guys were where

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Low if you're thinking that, uh, you know, two

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Speaker 2: Josh Allen threw for two seventy five and three touchdowns

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Speaker 3: True, the Jets aren't. The defense is good, but they're

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Speaker 2: Other top performers I mentioned de Vito. He was eighteen

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Speaker 2: took nine sacks Na nine sacks, and they still won

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Speaker 2: that game.

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Speaker 3: Without Chase Young or Sweat. Yes, wow, six Washington turnovers.

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Speaker 2: If Pickett played against Washington, I would expect him to

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Speaker 3: What time he sacked nine times.

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Speaker 2: He wouldn't be sacked nine times, and he'd probably have

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Speaker 2: something similar to what DeVito did, if not better.

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Speaker 3: Barkley went crazy.

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Speaker 2: Barkley went nuts, but uh yeah, I mean not huge

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Speaker 2: offensive performances there this week. Same thing with Rushers.

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Speaker 3: I was saying the numbers were higher across.

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Speaker 2: Three one hundred yard rushers this week okay, led by

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Speaker 2: Jalen Warrens.

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Speaker 3: At Warrens number one right one hundred and.

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Speaker 2: Twenty nine rushing yards on just nine carries.

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Speaker 3: He broke off a big one, as everyone knows, but

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Speaker 3: it wasn't like his other ones were one one one, No.

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Speaker 2: He was pretty consistent. He had He had a couple

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Speaker 2: I think maybe one or two that went for a loss.

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Speaker 2: In fact, they ran the same play that went for

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Speaker 2: a touchdown later in the second half and it got

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Speaker 3: So big Warren is a top twenty four fantasy running

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Speaker 2: I think he and Harris are Yeah, I think they're

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Speaker 3: I remember I was torn I in my league. I'd

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Speaker 3: picked one out of the other and I took Warren, and.

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Speaker 2: Especially this week against Cincinnati, I like that matchup. I

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Speaker 2: think they're both very startlable and the Steelers are going

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Speaker 2: to run the football. You had Devin Singletary doing again

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Speaker 2: twenty two for one to twelve and a touchdown. I

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Speaker 2: had him in my other DFS lineup.

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Speaker 3: That was gold. Is he a top twelve guy.

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Speaker 2: He might be in that offense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he gets a lot of touches.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna run the football. The final one hundred yard

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Speaker 2: rusher was justin fields eighteen carries for one hundred and

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Speaker 3: He's back and he threw the ball. Well, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I just don't know if he's gonna last. If he

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Speaker 3: quarterback out there running eighteen times. DJ Moore heavy. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they're a good fantasy offense right now, and he's a

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Speaker 3: good fantasy quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Raheem Mosterard had twenty two for eighty six.

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Speaker 3: He'd do more when the chan got hurt, Yeah, fine,

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Speaker 2: He had say Kwon Barkley at fourteen for eighty three.

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Speaker 3: He caught a bunch and he caught.

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Speaker 2: A touchdown pass.

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Speaker 2: Alexander Madison at eighteen for eighty one against Denver last night.

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Speaker 3: You can run and he was clear concussion protocol at

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Speaker 2: Yeah. McCaffrey had twenty one for seventy eight. Montgomery twelve

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Speaker 2: for seventy six. He'd like to see more than twelve.

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Speaker 2: Justin Herbert at eight for seventy three.

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Speaker 3: Justin did yes. I think say Khalil I got those two.

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Speaker 2: Ty Chandler had ten for seventy three in that game against.

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Speaker 2: No, he's not. I mean he was Basically it was

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Speaker 2: was unning the ball so much because they're they're being

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Speaker 3: Denland next week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fire Ford Royce Freeman seventeen for seventy three.

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Speaker 3: I have a hard time jumping on that.

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Speaker 2: Tyram Williams should be back this I think he's clear

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Speaker 2: ready to be back. Brian Robinson had seventeen for seventy

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Speaker 2: three in that game against the Giants. He caught some passes.

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Speaker 2: We talked about him in DFS if we'd gone with

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Speaker 2: him instead of h N four into money. Yeah. James

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Speaker 2: Cook seventeen for seventy three, also caught a touchdown pass.

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Speaker 3: I guess he's inn RB two.

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Speaker 2: Joe Mixon had sixteen for sixty nine against Baltimore. He

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Speaker 3: I thought that was the best. Yeah, Ben, I'm sure

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Speaker 2: Against Steelers, Eklar had ten for sixty four.

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Speaker 2: Why only ten and then throw the ball?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, especially they're really looking for a receiver not named

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Speaker 3: Keenan Allen, you have one. He's in the back he's

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Speaker 3: in the backfield usually him fifteen times. Gus Edwards had

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Speaker 2: That's a real thing.

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Speaker 3: That's a real thing.

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Speaker 2: He even caught a passing that game.

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Speaker 3: I think it's over under catches point five.

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Speaker 2: It was point five. Yeah. Then you had James Connor

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Speaker 2: at fourteen for sixty two, Okay. Tony Pollard twelve for

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Speaker 2: sixty one in a touchdown. Talked about him, talked about

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Speaker 2: him in DFS as well. It'd have been fine there.

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Speaker 2: Chuba Hubbard ten for fifty seven.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's the one there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Zach Charbonnet had fifteen for forty seven.

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Speaker 3: Well, the key is Walker.

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Speaker 2: Walker is out, But fifteen for forty seven isn't exactly.

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Speaker 3: No, it's not. And they play a brutal schedule here

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Speaker 3: should get a lot of touches.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just looking here. Anything else that jumps out, Well,

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Speaker 2: Jayden Reid had three carries for forty six yards in

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Speaker 2: a touchdown, and the Jayden Reid's like, he's an actual

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Speaker 3: Some really redfull tackling by the chargers.

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Speaker 2: Well that's what they do. Oh yeah, chargers is gonna charger.

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Speaker 3: No, but they could read the ball.

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Speaker 2: Looking at the one hundred yard receivers, there were seven

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Speaker 2: all three that we could we could start two or

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Speaker 3: Can't regret that though everyone starts a chant on that

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Speaker 3: just frustrating.

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Speaker 2: Brandon Aiyuk five for one fifty six in a touchdown.

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Speaker 3: I think he's not only a wide receiver one for fantasy.

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Speaker 3: I think he might be like the eighth best receiver.

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Speaker 2: The problem is he only had six targets, and.

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Speaker 3: It's that's always gonna be the way. He's never gonna

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Speaker 2: Not in San Francisco. I mean, if he went somewhere else,

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Speaker 2: he would get pepper with targets.

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Speaker 3: He might go somewhere else.

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Speaker 2: He might go somewhere else. He is a free agent

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Speaker 2: at the end of this year.

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Speaker 3: He's really good.

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Speaker 2: Tank Dell also on my roster, but au can tank

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Speaker 2: Dell eight for a touchdown? Yeah, I started ayukin Dell.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that good.

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Speaker 2: I had the top two receivers in the league, and

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Speaker 2: I'm going to lose this week.

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Speaker 3: That's the way it works. Man.

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Speaker 2: I had Tua who was one of the only three

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Speaker 2: hundred yard passers, and I'm going to lose this David

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Speaker 2: Montgomery who was one of the top running backs, and

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Speaker 2: I'm going to lose this week.

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Speaker 3: You know how it goes because of Chan got hurt.

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Speaker 2: Uh so uh Dell had eight for one forty nine

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Speaker 2: a touchdown. Tyreek Hill ten for one six in a touchdown.

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Speaker 3: He was in on the game a little bit with

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Speaker 3: ten catches.

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Speaker 2: Ten catches, Yeah, uh Keenan Allen ten for one sixteen

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Speaker 3: Allen's as good as anyone not named Hill for fantasy ating.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he just gets peppered. Odell Beckham had four for

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Speaker 2: one sixteen. He got hurt in that game. They were

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Speaker 2: basically trying to feature.

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Speaker 3: They were trying to get him some touch.

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Speaker 2: Especially in the second half. Khalil Shakir three for one

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Speaker 2: fifteen in a touchdown. It was an eighty one yarder.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure he's going to be a hot name on

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Speaker 2: the waivermart wire this week.

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Speaker 3: And I would grab him. But what's interesting is I

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Speaker 3: But Kencaid's not going to get batched. No, So does

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Speaker 3: that mean the slot receiver gets benched. I think he

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Speaker 3: might be better than Gabe Davis. Yeah, so their usage

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Speaker 3: coming up here is kind of interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but still only three. You'd like to see more

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Speaker 3: Yeah, uh so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And then Calvin Ridley had seven for one oh

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Speaker 2: three and two touchdowns. Sitting on my bench.

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Speaker 3: I think he's a start every week guy, though.

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Speaker 2: Well I've been starting him every week until this week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been very up and down. Big game.

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Speaker 2: DJ Moore just missed at seven for ninety six in

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Speaker 2: a score. You like that. DK Metcalf five for ninety

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Speaker 2: four in a score.

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Speaker 3: I'm bad Dnavian Wicks for Green Bay and three for

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Speaker 3: ninety one. Is this just start guys against the Chargers apparently?

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Speaker 2: So because I'm not picking, don't pick up Dantavian Wis

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Speaker 2: and throw them in. He got a few targets against

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Speaker 2: the Steelers, like him, but it's it's like three targets

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's not fantasy worthy, he's yeah, but

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Speaker 3: research on him just recently, we thought it would be

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Speaker 3: Aaron Jones only on offense. Well he got hurt, hurt, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he you know, Steelers shut him down pretty good. Their

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Speaker 3: offense might be better than just Aaron Jones for fantasy.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think Jayden reads a guy that you agreed. Yeah, Watson, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I don't know about him, but right, Uh, George Kittle

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Speaker 2: had eight for eighty nine in a touchdown. Would have

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Speaker 2: liked to have seeing a couple of those targets go

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Speaker 2: to Brandon Ayuk. I'm just saying, Uh, Then you had

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Speaker 2: Davante Adams at seven for eighty two in a touchdown.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's gonna get a lot of targets all the time.

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Speaker 2: That was against Miami. You know you look at those

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Speaker 2: two cornerbacks and okay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, uh Darrek, worry about Adams anymore. O'Connell's good enough

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Speaker 3: the ball to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Darius Slayton had four for eighty two in a score.

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Speaker 3: I'm not biting on any of the Giants receiver. I think.

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Speaker 2: Nine sacks is all I can think about with that

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Speaker 2: Amn ra Saint Brown eight for seventy seven in a touchdown.

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Speaker 2: That's just what he does. Come slow for him, all right,

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Speaker 2: he's back. Greg Dortsch for seventy six. Didn't score, but

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Speaker 2: with Kyler Murray on the field, he was he produced.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's the typical slot get open quick.

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Speaker 2: Who did he replaced Michael the rookie Wilson Wilson? Did

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Speaker 2: he get hurt Wilson? Wilson didn't play this week, so

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Speaker 2: George was in there for him and he produced.

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Speaker 3: Was out there still. Yeah, I have no hesitations with

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Speaker 3: that offense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if if if they're gonna be missing,

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Speaker 2: if somebody's going to be missing, apparently Georch is the

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Speaker 3: I don't know that I'm picking him up off the

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Speaker 2: Or anything, though, I'd have to see what else is.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's not gonna be much out there at

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Speaker 2: this point. Adam Thielen eight for seventy four. I called

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Speaker 2: that one.

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Speaker 3: I trust him.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're just gonna pepper the guy. There's a

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Speaker 2: and Adam Peeland gets just completely peppered with targets.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's a rookie quarterback that has one guy

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, pookin the KUPA five for seventy in a touchdown. Well,

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Speaker 2: we got another injury there with Cooper Cup.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He say it's a low, ye low ankle sprain. But

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Speaker 2: obviously that made things good for u Nikua. Courtland Sutton

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Speaker 2: four for sixty six and another touchdown. He's a year

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Speaker 2: He's just catching touchdowns after touchdown.

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Speaker 3: He's the number one there by far. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Deebo Samuel went three for sixty three. Samaj p Ryan

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Speaker 2: had seven for sixty really, yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean he is the third bat.

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Speaker 2: They used him quite a bit in that game, even

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Speaker 2: though Javonte Williams still got a lot of carries. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they didn't run it great, but they threw the ball

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Speaker 2: to a samajp Ryan a lot just to move the football.

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Speaker 3: You could see, I could see.

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Speaker 2: I could see that happening this week against the Browns

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Speaker 2: the running game. Elijah Moore had six for sixty for

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Speaker 2: Jamiir Gibbs had six for fifty nine. DeAndre Hopkins got

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Speaker 3: They still rotate their receivers at time, It's crazy. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Brian Robinson, we mentioned him seven for fifty eight

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Speaker 3: That's a thing. Gibson's been out.

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Speaker 2: Gibson's been out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Gibson's out. Robinson's orderline RB one. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: If you're gonna catch seven passes.

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Speaker 3: He plays a lot of snaps and carry the ball

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Speaker 3: twenty times for sure. Uh.

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Speaker 2: Then you had Logan Thomas with five for fifty eight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know he's he's all right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Jerry Judy had five for fifty eight. Uh. Donald

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Speaker 3: He had to pick it him up.

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Speaker 2: Sunday morning, four for fifty seven they were open. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: take that from your pickup. Pass catchers had four for

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Speaker 2: those were basically dump off the Saquon that Saquon scored on.

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Speaker 3: If your trade deadline hasn't passed, are you moving him

445
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Speaker 3: for something big right this minute? Just with no faith

446
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Speaker 3: in the offense. I did I know you did before, Yeah,

447
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Speaker 3: but I mean his went up.

448
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think you could try to move him now

449
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Speaker 2: and maybe get something for him. They're not gonna play

450
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Speaker 2: Washington every week.

451
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Speaker 3: Yeah, problem exactly.

452
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Speaker 2: And then and Joku had seven for fifty six. He stinks.

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Speaker 3: I fifteen cases.

454
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Speaker 2: He's just not somebody can count.

455
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Speaker 3: He's a most inconsistent player, and with such a flash guy,

456
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Speaker 3: you know, good with the ball in his hands all that,

457
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Speaker 3: but not all those passes were perfect. But he should

458
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Speaker 3: have caught twelve balls.

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Speaker 2: He should have, but he didn't because he's David and

460
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Speaker 2: Joker and that's what he does. You can't count on him,

461
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Speaker 2: you know, people, well, you know, if David and Joku

462
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Speaker 2: hadn't dropped those passes, that's been the That's that's what

463
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Speaker 2: he does. That's why he's David and Joku. He drops passes.

464
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Speaker 2: I think in Joku, is that means drop passes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I think he's just a highly inconsistent I mean, he's.

466
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Speaker 2: Physically a very freakish athlete, but he drops passing.

467
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Speaker 3: Good games and good plays, but he has dy Balker

468
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Speaker 3: fantasy fools gold Yeah, is what he has like a

469
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Speaker 3: better fantasy in the world real world.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because if you're gonna get fifteen targets for

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Speaker 2: a tight end, absolutely, maybe.

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Speaker 3: More, Yeah, consistently that was a game plan and.

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Speaker 2: Let him run after the catch, and that's gonna be

474
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Speaker 2: their script the rest of the season.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. So he's very fancy worthy. He's frustrating. He's very frustrating.

476
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Speaker 2: Yeah, But those are the top performers this week, and

477
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Speaker 2: we'll see where that goes. Not not a ton on

478
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Speaker 2: the waiver wire there this week that I look at.

479
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Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of like a big injury or

480
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Speaker 3: a guy coming back or any of that stuff. I

481
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Speaker 3: think Jefferson will be back. He'sire better not Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I bet the waiver wire is real thin. Yeah.

483
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Speaker 2: I tried to pry Jefferson off the owner in our league,

484
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Speaker 2: made him a legit offer of Ayuk and.

485
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Speaker 3: There's another solid receiver.

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Speaker 2: You told me it was Ayuk, and so he did.

487
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Speaker 2: He had no he had he had because of bye weeks.

488
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Speaker 2: Jefferson was in his starting lineup. He thought thought he

489
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Speaker 2: was coming back. So Saturday, when he kind of announced

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Speaker 2: that he's not coming back, I made him an offer

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Speaker 2: and said, I'll give you an because au Can Ridley maybe.

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Speaker 3: It was that's what you saying for somebody very startable.

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Speaker 2: And he's no, no, no, well he's he was two

494
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Speaker 2: and eight.

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Speaker 3: You said he end up starting like Robert Woods or something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he picked up, picked up, you know, just two

497
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Speaker 2: guys off the waiver wire, and well that didn't work out.

498
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Speaker 2: So I tell you exactly who he started here.

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Speaker 3: I can understand. Hey, I've been waiting on Jefferson. I

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Speaker 3: don't I get it, of course, but if you have

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Speaker 3: to win that week, you can't throw two receivers out

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Speaker 3: in your lineup.

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Speaker 2: And you were two and eight, you had to win

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Speaker 2: that wink.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's season.

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Speaker 2: He's got sixty eight point five points right now, sixty eight.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you had Auk and Ridley, he'd be probably.

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Speaker 2: You know, why couldn't I played him this week? Instead?

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Speaker 2: He started? Uh, where's he? kJ Osborne ouch in Robert

510
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Speaker 2: Woods Woods? Yuck?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean in a bubble. I can see. I've

512
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Speaker 3: never trading Jefferson. But when you're that situation, you could

513
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Speaker 3: be two starters for him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you go do it. Soon to be two and

515
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Speaker 2: nine and he's season's over. It's done. So anyways, let's

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Speaker 2: get to another break. He is Matt Williamson. I am

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Speaker 2: Dale Lollie. You're listening to the Drive here on Steelers

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Speaker 2: Nation Radio. We'll be back with more right after this.

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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I'm Dale Lollie. He is the Matt Williamson

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Speaker 2: and Matt if you're Mike Tomlin this week, you doing

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Speaker 2: any are you making any changes in what you're doing?

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Speaker 3: Well? Make your returns? Does that have a ripple effect

526
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Speaker 3: on defense of what you're doing? I don't know. I

527
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Speaker 3: might not get real creative with him and just leave

528
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Speaker 3: him in deep middle, just saying we don't want Chaser

529
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Speaker 3: Higgins to get free. Make it. Let's make sure that

530
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Speaker 3: you just play goalie and we'll be aggressive and put

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Speaker 3: heavy boxes to try to stop mixing and come after

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Speaker 3: the young quarterback. I'm sure you're poking more for offense though.

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Speaker 2: Just in general, I mean, what what do you what

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Speaker 2: do you do?

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Speaker 3: You know?

536
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Speaker 2: People? You know anytime the Steelers lose a game, well,

537
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Speaker 2: they're gonna they're gonna fire this guy or change that

538
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Speaker 2: bench that guy, whatever it may be.

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Speaker 3: Friar Mouth didn't run a lot of routes, but it

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Speaker 3: was his first game back, and you often see that

541
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Speaker 3: or the first game back isn't the high participant. Hayward

542
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Speaker 3: only played like forty some snaps when he came off.

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Speaker 3: I r I'd love to get Friarmuth more involved. And

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Speaker 3: his lack of targets for the well, this is this

545
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Speaker 3: is a team that that that could happen. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: was thinking that is.

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati is dead last, or at least was going into

548
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Speaker 2: last weeks against against tight end production.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and their linebackers are fine, but they have two

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Speaker 3: new SATs these and either way, tight ends are putting

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Speaker 3: up numbers against.

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Speaker 2: These guys, as are running backs, as are running backs.

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Speaker 3: I mean more middle of the field passing I think

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Speaker 3: needs to happen, complete more passes. But how does that happen?

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Speaker 3: I think feels part of those things. Complete more passes. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't know that I'm making wholesale changes though, Like

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Speaker 3: personnel wise, I'm not doing anything different.

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Speaker 2: There's there's six and four right now, and people are

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Speaker 2: again I said said this after the last week's game.

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Speaker 2: There's six and three after that game, and people were

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Speaker 2: acting like there were three and six. I know you're

562
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Speaker 2: six and four. I understand how you've gotten here has

563
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Speaker 2: not been the ideal way to do it.

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Speaker 3: No, it's not been the smoothest sailing, of course, But

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Speaker 3: I'm not the hatred after the negativity. Hatred is a

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Speaker 3: big word, but negativity after yesterday's game has to be

567
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Speaker 3: a little shocked.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of reached a crescendo here, Like I want changes,

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Speaker 2: and I want them now. Like, what do you think

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Speaker 2: is gonna change at this point ten games into a season.

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Speaker 3: Like I'm not saying they played well yesterday as a

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Speaker 3: team or certainly as a passing game, but didn't we

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Speaker 3: expect that game? I mean, like Denver is gonna deal

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Speaker 3: with the exact same thing against Cleveland next week, and

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Speaker 3: it's gonna go similar.

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Speaker 2: Except they won't do it at Cleveland brown Stadium, of course,

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Speaker 2: of course, which kind of makes a difference, does Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I just don't know what was unexpected about yesterday's game.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Like I heard, Dan Morris stinks he

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Speaker 2: needs to be oi there, he's playing against Miles freaking Garretts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, why did you? Nobody was better than more?

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Speaker 2: Nobody wants to give the Browns any credit. I get it.

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Speaker 2: It's the Browns, of.

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Speaker 3: Course, or the hated Browns or the little brother You

585
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Speaker 3: should crush them. They have backup quarterback. That defense is phenomenal.

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Speaker 2: I mean they are fast.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a couple of the Steeler media folks that don't

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Speaker 3: watch the rest of the league and concentrate if if

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Speaker 3: kind of like reached out or I've talked to or

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Speaker 3: like als, Garret's better than I thought. Yeah, he's really

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Speaker 3: freaking good. He's like one of the best players in

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Speaker 3: the league. I mean, he's probably he's on a Hall

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Speaker 3: of Fame base. He's phenomenal.

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Speaker 2: Yes, this is this is what the yard ise that

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Speaker 2: that the Browns have allowed at home this seven this season.

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Speaker 2: To Cleveland or to Cincinnati and the opener.

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Speaker 3: That was bad Borough. But still it's a hunty two

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Speaker 3: yard and.

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Speaker 2: Forty two yards ninety four total yards to the Titans. Wow,

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Speaker 2: four ninety six to the Ravens. But that was the

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Speaker 2: you know, if you remember, that's the game that Dorian.

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Speaker 2: They still didn't get the three hundred and Yeah, it

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Speaker 2: was the final score of that game, twenty eight to three.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I know it wasn't closed, but it.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't close because Cleveland turned the ball over three times.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and dthr was bad.

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Speaker 2: The forty nine Ers had two hundred and fifteen yards.

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Speaker 3: I bet Baltimore and San fran are top five offenses

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Speaker 3: in the league right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Cardinals had fifty eight yards. It's fifty eight yards.

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Speaker 2: So they've held three teams or two teams under one

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Speaker 2: hundred total yards in games at home. They've held two

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Speaker 2: other teams another team under two hundred yards of total offense.

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Speaker 2: They held the forty nine ers to two fifteen at home.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that Niners accomplishment. It's really something too. They've given

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Speaker 3: up this season. Tennessee ended up with like one hundred

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Speaker 3: and thirty yards combined.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yards, three three, twenty eight seventeen in nothing, and

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Speaker 2: the Steelers scored.

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Speaker 3: Ten yesterday points.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the one game where somebody scored points against them

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Speaker 2: was the previous DTR start when he didn't know he

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Speaker 2: was going to start the game to an hour. Now again,

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Speaker 2: I said last week, I'm not going to talk out

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Speaker 2: of both sides of my mouth here that he you know,

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Speaker 2: he wasn't expected to start that game. They expected watching

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Speaker 2: the start, but they did. They did have time to

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Speaker 2: again the gate that they didn't they didn't put him

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Speaker 2: in situations where he could turn football over in this game.

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Speaker 2: They played it very much. It should have been very

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Speaker 2: very I mean he was.

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Speaker 3: Very generous with the football and that.

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Speaker 2: First Oh my god. Yes, but that game yesterday again,

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Speaker 2: there's no the Steelers were expecting the Browns to do

635
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Speaker 2: anything offensively possible. Wildcat what you know, ends a rounds,

636
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Speaker 2: all that stuff, because they've lived through that things. You know,

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Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin coached through that in the twenty nineteen season.

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Speaker 2: They practiced against the wildcat last week. They didn't just

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Speaker 2: oh they look they're in the Wildcats. This wasn't you

640
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: know Pitts Pit a couple of weeks ago when paton

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Speaker 2: Ardoozi when they were playing Syracuse and Syracuse comes out

642
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Speaker 2: with the wildcat with their tight end at quarterback and

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00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: they're running all over Pitt and our Doozy comes out

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Speaker 2: at halftimes. Is we weren't expecting that. The Steelers expected

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Speaker 2: all these these kind of things because they knew Cleveland

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Speaker 2: knew that, Hey, we got to do whatever we can

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Speaker 2: to protect the quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, like, if you can put Ben in

649
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Speaker 3: a five step drop throwing strikes to Antonio Brown, you

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Speaker 3: don't run wildcat round and flickers and stuff. You know

651
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Speaker 3: what I mean? When you have duck, you do.

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Speaker 2: When you have duck, you do. Yeah. So, I mean

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Speaker 2: the ten points that the Steelers scored against Cleveland yesterday

654
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Speaker 2: were the third most points they've given up at home

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Speaker 2: this season.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it did seem like a brutal environment. It's a

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Speaker 3: brutal defense that I can attest to ten points is

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Speaker 3: enough against him?

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Speaker 2: It's not enough. I understand, I understand enough.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I get that, but I do think some

661
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 3: context is important. Then I think you just laid them

662
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 3: out there.

663
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 2: Now they get to go to Denver and to the

664
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 2: Rams the next two weeks. They're not gonna be able

665
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 2: to put. They may get a bunch of fans at

666
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 2: the Rams game. I don't know if they'll get a

667
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 2: bunch of Browns fans in Los Angeles. But they're not.

668
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 3: Gonna be hard to play against. It's not like they

669
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 3: stink on the road.

670
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, right, I mean it's but if you look

671
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: at their big yardage games that they've given up, Uh,

672
00:30:58,920 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 2: they've been on the road.

673
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 3: You know.

674
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 2: They they lost to the Steelers. It was only two

675
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty five yards that they gave up, but

676
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: their offense couldn't function even with Watson. Uh. Then they

677
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: gave up four fifty six to the Colts on the road.

678
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 2: They gave up three sixty two to the Seahawks on

679
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 2: the road. They gave up three zero six last week

680
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 2: to the Ravens on the road.

681
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 3: I didn't realize the trends were that strong.

682
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 2: I neither when I was looking at all that stuff.

683
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: Because they played so many the quarterback situation kind of

684
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 2: muddied up everything in terms of who they've played at quarterback.

685
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: I mean that game is against the Cardinals, Arizona didn't

686
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: have an NFL quarterba that yeah, yeah, but yeah, I mean.

687
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 3: I think what the Tennessee situation was.

688
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 2: Tanny Hill stinks. While I don't know if he got

689
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: hurt in that game, I think he think he did.

690
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 3: Think he did. Yeah, it might have been the game

691
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 3: he didn't finish. But they had something do that too, right,

692
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 3: they're hitting them right.

693
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 2: So you know those those home road splits for for

694
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 2: Cleveland's defense are real.

695
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 3: They're very strong. Yeah, and you can kind of tell

696
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 3: why by the environment yesterday. Yeah, and it's a great defense.

697
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 3: There's no way around that. But complete more passes.

698
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: Complete more passes, find ways to complete passes.

699
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 3: Looking away from the the elephant in the room.

700
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 2: No, no, not why you can't. You can't throw for

701
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 2: seventy seven yards, Yeah, even when you run for one

702
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 2: seventy two, which again is the most arrayed or the

703
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: Browns have allowed this season.

704
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 3: I mean Pickett needed that last throw that was desperate

705
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 3: Stanford Hill mary Ish type to get to a hundred. Yeah,

706
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 3: it's not gonna cut it.

707
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: And there were again there were open guys. They were

708
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: open guys on the field and he just didn't see it. Now,

709
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 2: maybe you know their pass rush I'm sure had something

710
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: to do with it.

711
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 3: Of course, And I didn't think the protection was good.

712
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 3: I thought the blitz pick up was bad. I thought

713
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 3: the protection was bad. I don't know if the receivers

714
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 3: were bad. I mean, I know the pass offense was bad.

715
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 3: I don't know if the past catchers were though.

716
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 2: We didn't get to see enough of it to find out.

717
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 3: Say, I'd like to you need to know that answer. Yeah,

718
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 3: you know, I mean that shouldn't be an incomplete one.

719
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: When people are talking about miscommunications, and that's been the

720
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 2: key word, you know, somebody said it there, we had

721
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: some miscommunications.

722
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 3: And it looked like there was a few of those.

723
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: It does, and everybody's well, you know, the receivers in

724
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: the quarterback got to get on the same page. Deontay

725
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 2: Johnson's on social media today talking about what I ran,

726
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 2: what I was supposed to run. You know, yeah, I

727
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 2: don't know. I'm not I'm not in I don't know

728
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: what the plays were that. I mean, you just don't know.

729
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 3: Sitting there watching every tape, you don't know where the

730
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 3: miscommunication is. But you learn trends. Yeah, and you're usually

731
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 3: blame the young guy, you know, went in doubt because

732
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 3: of the other guys. A long history of being in

733
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 3: the right place at the right time. I will say,

734
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 3: and I think you put this in your ten thoughts

735
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 3: because I think it's One thing that is true is

736
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 3: if Deontay Pickens who ever, is supposed to run an

737
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 3: out verse cover two or an in verse cover three,

738
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 3: you know, an option round, which many many are, and

739
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 3: the communication is poor, the quarterback always looks horrible, you

740
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,479
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like it's like, boy, he missed

741
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 3: him by a mile. Well he thought he was breaking

742
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 3: the other way, you know. So again, that's a bad

743
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 3: play by the pass offense and very well could have

744
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 3: been a bad play by the quarterback. But if it wasn't,

745
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 3: he gets the heat for it too, right, Yeah, I

746
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 3: mean it could be Marino or Bend or whoever. Wow,

747
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 3: that was a terrible throw. Why was that picked well

748
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 3: because the guy didn't run around?

749
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 2: The guy didn't run. Yeah, So I mean you just

750
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: don't know. Don't just assume that this guy was wrong

751
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 2: or that guy. We don't know, We don't, we don't know.

752
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe there's a lot wrong, you know. Uh, maybe

753
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin tells us more yeah this that was on

754
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 2: this or maybe Kenny Pickett comes out on Wednesday said, yeah,

755
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: I just I that was on me, you know.

756
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 3: But the cover wrong or I thought he was doing

757
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 3: this right. That' stuff happens.

758
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 2: All he did admit after the game they expected the Browns,

759
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 2: who had run about fifty five percent man to man

760
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 2: defense this year, well they flipped that they ran fifty

761
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 2: five percent zone defense in this game. That means they

762
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 2: still were, you know, in man de man defense for

763
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 2: the time.

764
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 3: No. And actually Bill Barnmoi puts something out today too.

765
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 3: He's like, and Kenny's numbers versus man were awful.

766
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 2: They were off.

767
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 3: They were awful. So okay, they still ran man coverage

768
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 3: a lot and you didn't do anything good against it,

769
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 3: So that shouldn't blow you away. It's not like you've

770
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 3: never seen zone before.

771
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: You And this is why, you know. I asked a

772
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 2: player in the locker room after the game. We were

773
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 2: just talking, and I said, did you guys switch up

774
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 2: the more man in the second half, you being the Steelers?

775
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 3: Steelers, Yeah, I bet the answer is yes. No, No, okay.

776
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 2: He said, no, we did it about as much as

777
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 2: we normally do.

778
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 3: He said.

779
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 2: The difference is, I mean we played tighter. They were

780
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 2: clos We played tight. We didn't, you know, we didn't

781
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 2: drop our zones as deep. He said, a lot of

782
00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 2: times our zones look like man because they're matchup zones.

783
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 2: So you know, when when when you're looking at these

784
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 2: man zone split stuff and that this team plays man,

785
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 2: you just don't know exactly, Like the Steelers, for all

786
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 2: we know, they could be zone, but if you're playing

787
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 2: a matchup zone, it looks like man.

788
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 3: I know. So to pull the curtain back, one of

789
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 3: the things I use and we reference a lot, is

790
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 3: this research packet that comes directly from the NFL, you know.

791
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 3: I mean it's not some website that we sort of

792
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 3: trust or even DVOA or things that we cite. I mean,

793
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 3: it's from the NFL with their logo on it that

794
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 3: comes to the Steelers and gets to us. And I

795
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 3: still always hesitate man verse zone stuff, Yeah, because I

796
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:39,479
Speaker 3: just don't.

797
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 2: And I guarantee you, like, if you look at all

798
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 2: the different websites or packets that that that chart that stuff,

799
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 2: you'll get a different number in every single one. So

800
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 2: should we then be surprised when young quarterbacks struggle trying

801
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 2: to figure out if they're a man or zone. That's

802
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 2: kind of where I was going with this whole thing, Like.

803
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 3: The Steelers defense of staff knows the numbers. Yeah, they're

804
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 3: right the other they're not right on the opponents.

805
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 2: Even Yeah right. You know, well that looked like it

806
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 2: might have been man. But Pickett talked about.

807
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 3: The half field man half the field zone like what's

808
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 3: NFL given us? Yeah, you can run box and one stuff.

809
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 3: You know, like if it's if I have to put

810
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 3: the if they snapped the ball and seven seconds later

811
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 3: the play is over and I have to say this

812
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 3: goes into man or this goes into zone, I'd be

813
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 3: wrong a lot, Yeah, a lot, or it should go

814
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 3: somewhere in between.

815
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're talking about you know, people said, well,

816
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: I can't believe the Steelers weren't expecting that. Well, they

817
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 2: didn't switch it up all that much, and I made

818
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 2: Pikett said, well they inverted their safeties and things of

819
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: that nature.

820
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 3: I know Schwartz is great at that stuffy.

821
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're going to see things that you probably didn't

822
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 2: see before on tape. These are teams that know each other. Well,

823
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 2: you're going to do stuff differently. Do you think nobody

824
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 2: talks about well, the Browns really, I guess they didn't

825
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 2: expect that run out of the Steelers to start the

826
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 2: second half. Like there's a seventy four yard touchdown, there

827
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 2: was obviously a breakdown there.

828
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, So like example, one of the most common coverages

829
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 3: is cover two man, not just Tampa cover two Cover

830
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 3: two man, where five defenders are in charge of five

831
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 3: skill guys, with two safeties over the top playing zone

832
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 3: the play zone, and a four man rush. What bucket

833
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 3: does that go into it?

834
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 2: I have no idea.

835
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,720
Speaker 3: If you watch, if McCaffrey goes in motion and Landon

836
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 3: Roberts goes with him and plays man, he's playing man.

837
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 2: He's playing man, but the two over the top playing zone,

838
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 2: or even if it's you know, if you're playing cover

839
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 2: one cover one robber like that. Yeah, and the safeties

840
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 2: you get the story at the deep safety, but then

841
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 2: the other safeties in the middle of the field he's

842
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 2: playing zone. Is everybody else playing I don't know.

843
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 3: Right, right right? I mean there's variations too. And cover

844
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 3: six is a combination of cover four plus cover two

845
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 3: where half the field is man, half the field zone,

846
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 3: or half the field's playing cover I'm sorry, half the

847
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 3: field plays cover four, half the field plays cover two

848
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 3: two plus four six it's just not a six man shell.

849
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 3: But it's all zone ish. Unless somebody runs past your

850
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 3: zone and you turn with them and go up, you

851
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 3: gotta go. You're playing man with them at that point.

852
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 3: So even though it comes from the NFL, I'm always

853
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 3: a little hesitant of Yes, I would be like it's

854
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 3: a heavy man team or it's a heavy zone team,

855
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 3: but I would I'm never like it's gospel. I have

856
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 3: a hard time just putting a stamp on that.

857
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 2: And yet we expect a quarterback, young quarterbacks, I don't care,

858
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: you know, to decipher that within a split second.

859
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the awfulness of playing that position. Yeah, it's

860
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,479
Speaker 3: it's off for everybody. Yeah, learning these coverages is really hard,

861
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 3: and sometimes it's there's no tells.

862
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you know put it so, Yet in

863
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 2: yesterday's game, forty year old Ben Roethlisberger would have struggled

864
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 2: against what they were doing with their path, with the

865
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 2: way their pass rush was getting there. Now, maybe the

866
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: cover he know the coverage, but can you get can

867
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 2: he get it? You know, can he escape some of

868
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 2: the pressure that was there? Can he do? You know? So, Yeah,

869
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 2: some of those things you almost need that perfect you know,

870
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: a quarterback with five or six years experience who's seen

871
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: all this stuff and then.

872
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 3: Still Homes is there.

873
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 2: Now that's where Mahomes is at. Yeah right, it takes

874
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 2: there's a there's a learning curve to play that position.

875
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 3: And when the free rusher comes, I can get out

876
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Speaker 3: of the way. Yeah, you know, like Ben's gonna crumble at

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Speaker 3: the end.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's just there just is. It's you know, and

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Speaker 2: and so.

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Speaker 3: And of course there was a time in Ben's career

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Speaker 3: where he had that those accesses hit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, And I mean we've seen that when the

883
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Speaker 2: Steelers defense was a what it's at its apex, they

884
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Speaker 2: would feast on these young quarterbacks like that.

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Speaker 3: Oh there's a reason Tomlin and Belichick and these guys

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Speaker 3: have success against young quarterbacks. So that's why the league

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Speaker 3: is one of the many reasons scoring is down in

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Speaker 3: the league right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because there are so many young quarterbacks and they

890
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Speaker 2: can't decipher these things as quickly as a true veteran.

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Speaker 3: And I will give the Browns credit. They they allowed

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Speaker 3: their young quarterback not to sit there and hold the

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Speaker 3: ball and have to deal with it as much. He

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Speaker 3: got it out quick, quick, quick, quick quick, and had

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Speaker 3: a lot of first first read throws, a ton of.

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Speaker 2: Them, and even at that, he struggled mightily in the

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Speaker 2: second half, mightily.

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Speaker 3: There still a lot of smoking mirrors and mumbo jumbo

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Speaker 3: in the first half as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it worked, We got to get to another break.

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Speaker 2: He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening

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Speaker 2: to the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be

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Speaker 2: back to finish up the show right after this.

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Speaker 2: Steelers dot org. Calm, Matt, we got a few more

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Speaker 2: minutes here to talk about this game on Sunday against

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Speaker 2: the Browns before we put that to a bed for

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Speaker 2: the rest of the week and move on to Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: To short week man short weeks moving.

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Speaker 2: As Matt said, we won't have a show on Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 2: We do want to wish everybody at the happy Thanksgiving here.

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Speaker 2: I hope everybody is a safe and happy holiday. Uh.

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Speaker 2: And then we are off also on Friday, uh, because

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Speaker 2: it's Black Friday. Can't you can't do a show on

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Speaker 2: Black Friday. But so we got a couple of days

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Speaker 2: to talk about the game upcoming games against the Bengals.

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Speaker 2: But first, uh, our final thoughts here on the game

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Speaker 2: against the Browns. And I think we both agree that

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Speaker 2: the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: Need to complete more passes. Yes, yes, yeah, even short ones,

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Speaker 3: any any variety.

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Speaker 2: You'll do short ones, long ones in the middle.

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Speaker 3: Preferably down the field, middle to the field.

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Speaker 2: Of course, I really thought one of my one of

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Speaker 2: my three guarantees going into yesterday's game, George Pickens over

934
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Speaker 2: under was nineteen and a half yards really on DraftKings,

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Speaker 2: and I went, he's gonna catch something. He hit four

936
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Speaker 2: catches for one hundred and twenty four yards against him

937
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Speaker 2: the first time. Now, one of them was a seventy yard,

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Speaker 2: but that still means his other three catches went for

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Speaker 2: sixty plus yards.

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Speaker 3: I also think he's very good at football.

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Speaker 2: He's pretty good. Yeah. Yeah, And they didn't even they

942
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Speaker 2: didn't try anything. Just didn't happen. It's not from lack

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Speaker 2: of him running.

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Speaker 3: Deep, no, right, right right, they did that, but they

945
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Speaker 3: didn't throw it. Yeah, and when you get him one

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Speaker 3: on one, I think you have to go that way

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Speaker 3: A high percentage of the time that seems to be

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Speaker 3: falling away. We've seen him run out of the slot

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Speaker 3: in breakers. He's good at them. Slants. I think he's

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Speaker 3: become a very good slant receiver. I mean, he was

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Speaker 3: mostly a go route guy as a rookie. I think

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Speaker 3: he's got a more diverse route tree and he's running

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Speaker 3: the routes. It's not like the plays aren't being called

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Speaker 3: for him. They just need to throw it his way.

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Speaker 3: More in complete, more passes complete, more passes he did too.

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Speaker 2: That would be good. That would be what they might need.

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Speaker 2: They might want to do that against the Bengals this week.

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Speaker 3: Better pass protection sure help. I mean more to it

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Speaker 3: than just letting the ball go to open receivers. But

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Speaker 3: it needs to get better. It has to.

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Speaker 2: But I feel pretty good overall. I mean, there were

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Speaker 2: questions going into this game. How will the Steelers hold

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Speaker 2: up an inside linebacker? I think that's kind of that's

964
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Speaker 2: kind of been answered. Yeah, what were they going to

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Speaker 2: do with safety? You know, you get you get guys

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Speaker 2: that come out there and make plays for you, you know,

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Speaker 2: at that's position that we're on your practice squad. So

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Speaker 2: I feel pretty good about where the defense is at

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Speaker 2: despite the losses.

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Speaker 3: But you gotta complete more passes, Yeah, complete more passes.

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Speaker 3: Side notes. I still think the young guys, the rookies

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Speaker 3: are playing well. You know, it's benting at another good performance.

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Speaker 2: Well he would he did, He really did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Porter, I thought had a really tough assignment and

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Speaker 3: did fine. Same with Roderick Jones and we had a

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Speaker 3: really tough assignment and did fine. You know, I mean

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Speaker 3: as well as watching did.

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Speaker 2: You see, by the way, on the touchdown run, the

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Speaker 2: seventy four yard touchdown round, Roderick Jones pulls out to

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Speaker 2: get out on the edge to block the edge, Denzel

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Speaker 2: Ward ran from him like he was the boogeyman Michael

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Speaker 2: Myers chasing. Yeah, he wanted nothing to do on that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's only by the pounds and I don't blame

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Speaker 3: him here, right, But but your job is not to

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Speaker 3: run away from him either. It doesn't help the cause.

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Speaker 3: But I honestly have no worries about the run game.

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Speaker 3: I have massive worries about the past game. I have

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Speaker 3: moderate concerns about the defense, But all in all, I

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Speaker 3: think you can win with that defense, especially if you

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Speaker 3: get more splashed from the front. It's been two kind

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Speaker 3: of two weeks in a row that the defensive front

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Speaker 3: hasn't been real splashy. But I also think they were

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Speaker 3: very concerned about keeping Love in the pocket because they

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Speaker 3: want him to throw down field. Yeah, and he did,

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Speaker 3: did it better than he usually does, and they both

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Speaker 3: were really good running quarterbacks. I think they want to

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Speaker 3: keep those two.

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Speaker 2: Keep him in the pocket.

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Speaker 3: They kind of had a rush plan to keep those

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Speaker 3: guys from running more. And plus, when you start throwing

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Speaker 3: the ball in two seconds, you.

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Speaker 2: Just have time to get home.

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Speaker 3: You don't. And frankly, he sees times where Watt and

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Speaker 3: Heismith were more concerned about disrupting passing lanes than pass rushing. Is.

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Speaker 3: Even if they don't block me, I can't get there

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Speaker 3: in two seconds.

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Speaker 2: Right, So I'm just gonna stand here and try to

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Speaker 2: You know, you saw watch just stop and go, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna read the quarterback size. If he throws this way,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna try to get my hands.

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Speaker 3: Out of play and maybe turn and run and hit,

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Speaker 3: you know, hitting the receiver. So I'm not worried about

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Speaker 3: the defensive front. But it has been two quiet games

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Speaker 3: by their standards for the front.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there will be bigger games moving coming down the

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Speaker 2: line for the Bengals. Oh yeah, t J. Watt this

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Speaker 2: week against Williams Williams, right, Yeah, that's gonna be.

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Speaker 3: They'll try to drive the ball down the field more

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Speaker 3: gold be two seconds.

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Speaker 2: No, that's not what they do. It's not what they do,

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Speaker 2: and they're they'll played a little differently. Anyways, that's going

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Speaker 2: to do it for our show today. So for my

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Speaker 2: partner Matt Williamson, for us to Miller here on site

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Speaker 2: keeping us on the air, I'm Dale Lallie. We thank

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Speaker 2: you for listening to this edition of the Drive on

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Speaker 2: Steelers Nation Radio.