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Speaker 3: My name is Tank Valentine and this is the R

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Speaker 2: On all things R and B. No, no, look, you

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Speaker 2: have started.

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Speaker 1: We got song right.

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Speaker 3: That it's the highest level. I'm not gonna do along

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Speaker 3: that you today. I want to get bright to the ship.

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Speaker 3: Give it up for Sam Hook n the building.

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Speaker 1: You got a songwriter name, a songwriter name?

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Speaker 2: Did you name yourself? Sam Hook?

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Speaker 1: And we're starting off.

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Speaker 2: I'm starting there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get to it. So I was doing I

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Speaker 1: was in a singing group. We was like fifteen, sixteen

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Speaker 1: years old. He was in New York in South was

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Speaker 1: on park doing rap rap hooks for these like gangster niggas.

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Speaker 1: A nigganame facing a nigga named grim Face and Grim

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Speaker 1: so Grim was scarier to me.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like young.

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Speaker 1: I went in the booth because I'm sure that's Grim

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Speaker 1: Grim Reap. Yeah, I'm sure, sure. Yeah. I went in

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Speaker 1: the booth, came out and some was like, y'all Sam

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Speaker 1: cooked this nigga, Sam Hook. I looked at him. I

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Speaker 1: was like, I'm keeping that name and I'm blocking him

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Speaker 1: on everything, like thank God, like he gave himself, like

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Speaker 1: he's a he turned his life around. Today he's the

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Speaker 1: big homie still. But I always thought I would have

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Speaker 1: owed him some type of paper.

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Speaker 3: So him on some like on some comedy on some

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Speaker 3: comedy type. Ship was like, man, I knows he ain't

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Speaker 3: no Sam Cook, niggas Sam Hook.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, facts, he was like I heard it.

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Speaker 1: I was like, this is every name he gave you,

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Speaker 1: a cold name. Shout out to Grim.

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Speaker 2: Do you ever give out that?

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Speaker 1: Just just for check some not my credits read Samuel

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Speaker 1: sam Hook, Jehane.

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Speaker 2: Because it got expensive again.

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Speaker 1: I read that more than anything.

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Speaker 3: I was about to say, I leave with that. Hey ladies, Hey,

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Speaker 3: it's always that, Hey ladies, Samuel Jean, bitch, Samuel John.

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Speaker 3: Can I help you with anything that we got?

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Speaker 1: Like the fourth member of the fojis.

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Speaker 3: Here, Sam, Let's go back to New York man, let's

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Speaker 3: go back there.

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Speaker 2: We're going.

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Speaker 3: Let's go back to the beginning, before before the gangsters

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Speaker 3: held you hostage, before Grim held you hostage for hooks.

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Speaker 2: How did you.

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Speaker 3: Even get to a point where that was something that

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Speaker 3: you knew you could do or where you started My

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Speaker 3: older brother.

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Speaker 1: He wanted to sing, and to me still to this day,

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Speaker 1: it's my idol.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so.

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Speaker 1: Legit. I see him in the mirror singing, practicing, how

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Speaker 1: he looks singing in church, and I wanted I wanted

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Speaker 1: he singing in high school. He's doing everything and he's

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Speaker 1: getting the girls for it. And to me, his snigger

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Speaker 1: was Michael Jordan. It's like he couldn't do no wrong.

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Speaker 1: So I wanted to be like him. I would go

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Speaker 2: But when did you know you had a voice? Did he?

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Speaker 2: Did he tell you.

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Speaker 1: I practiced on girls. I could sing to a girl,

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Speaker 3: That if she if she gave you a certain reaction,

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Speaker 3: that mirror the reaction that your brother was getting, then

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Speaker 1: It was quiet. Yeah, So it started young, started writing

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Speaker 2: And what what grade is this that you're just writing?

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Speaker 2: So you needed a.

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Speaker 1: Song that I was with a crew, So we all

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Speaker 1: practiced together in fifth grade, Yeah, fifth, sixth seventh, y'all

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Speaker 1: was moving with an intention way too early. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: You have to find your advantages. Fifth grade, you have

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Speaker 2: I was fast, that was my advent. That was sure, girl,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how that works for you. I think

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is well, I've always been doing this in

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Speaker 1: So yeah, we are you know for me church as well?

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, But I think my question is, like in

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Speaker 3: let's write these songs and all of these things, what

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Speaker 3: The things that are inspiring you to go in that direction.

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Speaker 1: It's whatever my brother liked, I liked if he loved

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Speaker 1: Brian McKnight, I love Roan McKnight. If he loved boy Man,

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Speaker 1: I love boys Man. That was a great artist too.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I ever found the passion for music

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Speaker 1: was wanting to be like my brother. So I don't

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Speaker 1: think I ever found the passion for it until like later.

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Speaker 1: It was my way in. It was my language that

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Speaker 2: What about high school do you do? You do you

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Speaker 3: That that that gives you a little bit more confidence

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Speaker 3: it's more you than high school.

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Speaker 1: I was a knucklehead, so it wasn't music. We would

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Speaker 1: practice it. So I was born in Brooklyn, raised in

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Speaker 1: Long Island. So my team we had it was four

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Speaker 1: a whole other side of me just doing dumb shit.

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Speaker 1: So high school was mostly doing the dumb shit, practicing

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Speaker 2: Did you win any those sound shows?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, we was like one twelve.

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Speaker 2: Is that money involved?

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Speaker 1: Short shit? Like yeah, three five hundred dollars type thing?

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Speaker 2: And what are your what are your parents thinking at

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Speaker 3: Are they are they seeing you and being like, oh,

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Speaker 1: He definitely started to okay okay, and then had a

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Speaker 1: But my parents support wise, they didn't think it was

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Speaker 1: shout out to my nigga los So, a person I

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Speaker 1: So he was one of the first people to believe

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Speaker 1: in me with his own pocket. That's your first investor,

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Speaker 1: first investor, first like promoter, first manager. That's my brother.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I owe him like crazy. So he lived in Jersey,

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Speaker 1: but we'd always travel to Brooklyn. We in Brooklyn all

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Speaker 1: related to why cleft and I'm fifteen years old, sixteen

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Speaker 1: attended high school with jay Z's nephew colleague, who ended

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Speaker 1: G and B Getting Money Boys. Right, College's best Friends

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Speaker 1: was back in Brooklyn and the star Korean study Los

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Speaker 1: introduced me to Korean Star in study. So now I'm

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Speaker 1: so much. I'm part of GMB sixteen years old. The

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Speaker 1: going to tom Square singing for girls, you know, sing

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Speaker 1: be in Brooklyn mccooran study, always being Brooklyn mccorean study

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Speaker 1: and college. Before he passed away, he got his girlfriend,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say a name. He's got his girlfriend pregnant, right,

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Speaker 1: Danielle was full blown pregnant, so she ain't know what

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Speaker 1: And she was like, I'm Annie on Annie to you,

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Speaker 1: So I didn't know what was going on. Who that was.

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Speaker 1: She had bags in the hand, she walked to the

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Speaker 1: back of the house. Cory Study is like, yo, bro,

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Speaker 1: that's that's that's whole sister. So that day we all

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Speaker 1: end up eating hot dogs I'm way too young, drinking

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Speaker 1: Heinnekens with chilling making jokes. I'll sing for Annie, and

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Speaker 1: we all like chilling right, Corey and Studied made me

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Speaker 1: sing for anybody that walked in. It could be somebody, grandmother,

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Speaker 1: they could be you know whoever. If they knew that person,

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Speaker 1: then I had the talent. They showed it. So at

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Speaker 1: the end of the night, Annie was like, yo, Dan yell,

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Speaker 1: I love him, invite him to the baby shop, and

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Speaker 1: so that baby shower. A few months later, I went

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Speaker 1: scripted with her name on it as a gift. I

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Speaker 1: everybody that initially keeps like like changing my life. So

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Speaker 1: it's all the It's Jay's nephews, mel Ro, It's uh

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Speaker 1: Tata's son, Spanky nephews, Ravel, like the whole squad like

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Speaker 1: and then they had my niggas JD. I wrote to me, Uh,

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Speaker 1: everybody was in the basement and so uh Korean study

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Speaker 1: like they always do. They was like Yo Sam sing

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Speaker 1: and I had three songs on no beats, right. I

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Speaker 1: had a song about weed, a song about shoes, and

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Speaker 1: a song for girls. Right this shit you like, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the song about shoes. The main lyrics like I like them,

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Speaker 1: like I like my shoes clean, but never tats. And

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Speaker 1: so when I was seeing that ship, they.

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Speaker 2: Went crazy, Yeah I.

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Speaker 1: Like them like I like my shoes clean, but never

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Speaker 1: tied to loose. Right, So it was it was and

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Speaker 1: then the weeds so and they went crazy over I

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Speaker 1: started selling we like twelve years old, so everything that

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Speaker 1: They gave us like a day's notice. We all pulled

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Speaker 1: We all be able to my Space picture it up

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Speaker 1: also saying being hungry, like yo, he said, let our

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Speaker 1: But back then I was just arch nemesis, like I

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Speaker 1: like I I got nothing else to do college. I

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Speaker 1: all AG's fly. He had all accounts for all the

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Speaker 1: club's a g O H Jacob Yorick he was. So

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Speaker 1: He's uh the engineer for Neil go up there. I

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Speaker 1: about to show me. It was like, nah, nigga, I

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Speaker 1: So we go to Neo shit and and Gino's like,

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Speaker 1: Gino's like, Sam, you need to stay here. Second he

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Speaker 1: So it was like, your fucking I'm just stay out

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Speaker 1: I'm staying. So now when we leave there we seen

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Speaker 1: later since Neil came out, and it was already a

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Speaker 1: hallway full of plaqus.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Neil got cracking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if my man is in there, if you don't notice,

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Speaker 1: like every time somebody had something, I was ready to leave.

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Speaker 1: Know he's ready, no mad, Yeah, wherever I'm going, whatever

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Speaker 1: fullback plan. My fullback plan and my idea as to

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Speaker 1: how to ever get fed was pick up a pack

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Speaker 1: and so imagine what I would have been without this

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Speaker 1: talent guy game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I'm sitting down at Travs crib the first night

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, TRAYV, you're doing it and this is

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Speaker 1: Colls Mount and said, yo, I ain't tell you you

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Speaker 1: I didn't hear it. So I heard it, and I

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Speaker 1: didn't want my nigga to be in any type of

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Speaker 1: girl same night, she can't pick me up. The way

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Speaker 1: it was a few days later. I already had an apartment.

434
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 1: The way it really happened, I called my dad, said,

435
00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 1: your dad, I found an apartment for seven hundred and

436
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 1: ten dollars on seventeen p Street Street, Midtown. Mindre, I

437
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,879
Speaker 1: didn't know what goes on at nighttime on them blocks

438
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 1: in Midtown. It gets crazy, so but fuck, it was

439
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 1: the cheapest thing I could find and moved in. The

440
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 1: only friend I had out there was my man Drave.

441
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 1: I had my man theon that left since high school.

442
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 1: He lived in like Beuford, far a little far away

443
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,919
Speaker 1: as far that. I had a rocker where Snorkel that

444
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,200
Speaker 1: my man Mail gave me and the inside they had

445
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 1: first I was sleeping at So I'm living in the

446
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,200
Speaker 1: studio apartment. I don't have nothing but the eight hundred

447
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 1: dollars my dad gave me. I spent seventeen on moving in,

448
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 1: so I got ninety dollars.

449
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying, I do.

450
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 1: So the only thing I could think to do is

451
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:48,160
Speaker 1: like look around, find a pack. So I'm back then.

452
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 1: You know, apartment buildings had what do they call it,

453
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,160
Speaker 1: like business centers? Yeah, yeah, and if you lived there,

454
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 1: you could just so I'll be on my Space and

455
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 1: make sure that anybody, especially girls like they could see

456
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 1: that my MySpace picture had the Rockefeller chain, So I'll

457
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 1: just leave my shoulder over so they could always see.

458
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 1: And then so I've seen this one dude. I won't

459
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 1: say his name, but he was getting money in the

460
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 1: building and I keep seeing him. He ended up being

461
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 1: my plug. He put me on, and then he also

462
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 1: taught me how to do things beyond just the weed

463
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: that I was used to doing, like selling wise, and

464
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 1: he got me into a world. Now it's like I'm

465
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 1: getting chicken and I'm going to see Geno at the

466
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: studio and you know, and that went super sour. So

467
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 1: my main them that I brought up earlier. We sold

468
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 1: candy in like fourth grade. My man, my man's old

469
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: little sister, Tracy. She she dated the security guard at Walgreens.

470
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 1: We give him twenty dollars, he'll let us go. Still

471
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,199
Speaker 1: old candy. We got to wake up early though he

472
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 1: was the night time.

473
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 2: To wake up earlier.

474
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 1: Fourth grade, we sold candy. We would go bag up

475
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: the candy into fifteen dollars bags, divvy it up, give

476
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: people bag, telling him to send us back, you know,

477
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 1: twelve dollars or ten dollars, you know. And so my

478
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,239
Speaker 1: man Theon, his cousin out in London. He had an

479
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: og cousin out in London. So his cousin out London

480
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: got HI my cell phone back then when we was kids.

481
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,919
Speaker 1: And the first day that Theon got to sell, his

482
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 1: cousin wanted to talk to me. He was like, Yo, bro,

483
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,640
Speaker 1: I love how you're working with my little cousin. Yo,

484
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 1: you got him. You got him really out here like

485
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 1: getting money. Like I love what you're doing with him,

486
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 1: you know. And so I felt I knew he was

487
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 1: a gangst in London. I'm like infatuated with thugs at

488
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: this age. It was like my parents are super like

489
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: I was super sheltered. So in church, I loved the thugs.

490
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: In school, I loved this like my boy, yeah exactly exactly.

491
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: So I brought that up to say that we always

492
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 1: stayed in touch with him until the I moved to Atlanta.

493
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: So now that thea's I'm back in Georgia. Deanna took

494
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: a couch out of his mom's uh garage that she

495
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: wasn't using. That was my best. He brought me a

496
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 1: little TV, a little CD player and then I played

497
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: my BCDs on that and I was in the spot,

498
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 1: trapping my way out, just trying to stack right.

499
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

500
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: Period. And so my first trip to London is because

501
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: when I got when he put me back on with

502
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: you put me back on the phone because his cousin

503
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: was like, yo, how you how you even getting around?

504
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 2: Like yo?

505
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: I was mad proud to tell him I'm a road

506
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 1: star now trapping blah, really proud to tell him that.

507
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 1: He gets scared for me, and he's like saying, if

508
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna do that, come out to London, right and

509
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: I'll teach you how to do it the right way

510
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 1: when I get out there, top boy. And I was

511
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: working out in London for three four weeks learning how

512
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 1: to be a top boy in London. And when he

513
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: sent me back, I got really nice with it in

514
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 1: Atlanta and so all this happens lo and behold my

515
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: plug and the robbing home of the finests. So now

516
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 1: you robbing me, I get better out of him than him.

517
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 1: He violates, and so now I got no plug, got

518
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: no money, and I'm shook because I'm not built for

519
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 1: no wild shit that I was going through. And you

520
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: were how old at this point, nineteen eighteen nineteen, and

521
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 1: so Gino keeps calling me to the studio. He keeps

522
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: calling me to the studio. My man, mister Tango's son

523
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: became like my brother, and so he starts bringing me

524
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: to the studio. One day they set up the meeting

525
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: because I'm fucking homeless at this time. I'm living in

526
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: I got evicted in Atlanta. Everything went shot, goes bad.

527
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 2: And so.

528
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: Mister and Gino set me up a meeting with Tango,

529
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: ne Yo's manager. When I just got there, you know,

530
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: a skier, a skier found he was playing some producers

531
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: that he had from Amsterdam. Tango looked him dead in

532
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,360
Speaker 1: the eyes, thatt them niggas suck. And I'm sitting here

533
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: one I need to make it today because I'm I'm

534
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: sleeping in a vacant crib and the bluff with for

535
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: my boys. We turned the lights on, but it's vacant.

536
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: So I need to make it. I didn't know what

537
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: making it looks like and how fast it takes to

538
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: get it back. So and I'm scared because the way

539
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: Tango just spoke to this nigga, I never seen somebody

540
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 1: get violated like that. And so now my hands is

541
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 1: shaking and it's time to sing. He's like, Yo, you

542
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: got music. I didn't have nothing to play. So he's like, YO,

543
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: sing something I didn't realize. I never learned someone else's

544
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 1: song in my life. I could have sang you every

545
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: Day Struggle by fifth or by Biggie, but I couldn't

546
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: sing a whole song from anybody in music because you

547
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: were writing your own song. Yeah since fifth grade. Yeah,

548
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: so I said I got my own songs. I thought

549
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: I played the same way I'd always played it, sing

550
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: my own song and win. Not for a person who

551
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: manages the best songwriter in the world at that time.

552
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 1: My songs was and shit to what Neo was coming

553
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: out with. So I sing my voice shaking, I sound nuts.

554
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: Tango looks at me like this nigga sucks too, right,

555
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: and I know Tango, so I see, Yeah, it's exactly

556
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: how it is how you're gonna get it and and

557
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: I love him for no fluff facts. His son is

558
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 1: the exact same way you ain't. You ain't And you

559
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: could get react a certain type of way to it

560
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: until you realize that you rather find out the truth

561
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: now than let somebody watch the take time bombing, so

562
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: to save my ass, Geno, Right, Geno's like, but he

563
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: could write though. Tango's response, he looks a skinned like Yo.

564
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: Them producers suck, he sucks. Put them in the studio

565
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: if they exact words. Bro, I'm talking About'm getting like

566
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: I'm already broke, homeless nigga. And on top of that,

567
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: it's like I just heard that I sucked, and I

568
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: know I sucked. My voice was shaken even on this podcast.

569
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: I'm nervous. So I was finding out that the Spotlight's

570
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: not for me, okay, you know, but not knowing that's

571
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: what I was finding out. I was just always trying

572
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: to because you were you were being you were being

573
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: pushed pushed as an artist. Yeah, yeah, like that was

574
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: the only thing. Yeah, right, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, okay, yeah,

575
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: he completely just tore that down. It was quite for

576
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: that forever, right. Geno's like, nah, but he writes though,

577
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: which was to me a lie because it's I didn't

578
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: write for anybody else ever in my life. So he

579
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: said it in a way that implies that you were

580
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: right for someone else, period, and so that wasn't the fact.

581
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: But I looked at him like, yeah, double down like anything.

582
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: I don't care if it was mopped the studio, Yeah

583
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: that he mops. Yeah, I would did it. I needed

584
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: to stay right.

585
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 2: And so.

586
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: A Skier was already getting shit done. He was already scared.

587
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: But it's just those producers Tango wasn't fucking with or

588
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: Skier who's so hungry and taught me. He taught me

589
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: one of the dopest things. He was like saying, you

590
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: got to learn the kit. I was like, what's the kid?

591
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: He said, keep in touch. That's the kit for every

592
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: relationship that you find value in. When you when you're

593
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: saying by, think of the next time you're gonna follow up,

594
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: think of the intention for the next phone called you know,

595
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,239
Speaker 1: or even state if it's a really important, state, this

596
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: is when we're gonna speak again. And that's helped me

597
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: a lot, even if I don't tell you when I'm

598
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: gonna reach out to you again. I can write it

599
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: down and keep my promise. So he comes up to

600
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: me hungry, like yo, and he fucked with his producers heavy.

601
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: He comes up to me, He's like, yo, if I

602
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: put you in the studio, how long would you stay?

603
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: Right?

604
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: I said, Yo, seventy two hours or something like that. Right,

605
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: this is grind. This is a different error when niggas

606
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: really grind. He calls an engineer and tells money to

607
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: seventy two hour session. Sit Mike track Guru Johnson. He's

608
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: today Chuck Harmony's partner and he was the engineer for Chuck.

609
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: He calls uh, track Guru Gruz, agrees to do it.

610
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,959
Speaker 1: It's either forty eight hours or seventy two hours. Agrees

611
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: to do this session on the first call. So now

612
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: he drives me up how Old Military's studio and I'm

613
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: in his studio right, and me and track Guru in there.

614
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: He leaves us there with the BTCD from his guys.

615
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: And I remember in that session, me and Guru, I

616
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: was trying. I was trying to make phone calls and

617
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: see how far he was from a customer. I didn't

618
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: know how to drive, so I would I think I

619
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: asked him to bring me somewhere so I could sell

620
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: a fifty or something. I needed the money, and he

621
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: was like, yo, bro, you got this opportunity. You don't

622
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: need to be doing that. And he shit on me,

623
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: made me feel real small, and I was super New York,

624
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: super proud, super hard headed, and nobody could tell me nothing.

625
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: We bicker and I had to listen to him because

626
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: it's like, without you, I can't get a ride. So

627
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: you said, no, I got I'm gonna stay in the studio.

628
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: Shut up. And the way he was was like a

629
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: big brother for those two three days that was in

630
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: the studio. In my first songwriting session for writing for

631
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: other people, three songs of which one of them is

632
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: my first placement. So my first session, my first placement,

633
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: I was writing like my life depended on it, right,

634
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's not like I got like a major

635
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: hit out of it, but that's the life changing thing.

636
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: So it's J. J. Holliday his second album, I land

637
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: a ballot on there called Forever Ain't Enough, Right, and

638
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: I wrote it about like my high school, like the

639
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: girl that I loved right after high school.

640
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 2: And so.

641
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: Legit, now it's like, yo, we got something to bring

642
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: up to tango. Tango was the way out. It's like

643
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: if I knew a way, it was the way in

644
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: front of me. Is like he was there. That's the

645
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: way a skier places the record. So I'm saying it backwards,

646
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: a Skia places the record on Jay Holiday. Now that

647
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: I got a placement, this is something tangos you want

648
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: to find. This is all happening super fast. Though it

649
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: sounds super fast, it probably took a month or two.

650
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, there are people in this I was

651
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: having this conversation the other day. There are people that

652
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: still don't have a place, that have been writing songs

653
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: for years and years and years. So that's what I'm saying.

654
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, my first session, Yeah, first session. A month

655
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: goes by, you get your first placement, Like that's that's God. Yes.

656
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

657
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: I was raised in the most God fearing family and

658
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: I did everything to go against what I taught at home.

659
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: And bro, when I tell you, every bullet that flew

660
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: since eighty eight never hit me, and we've been in

661
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: situations where it could have. At that time, I didn't

662
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: know how to respect God or love him correctly. I

663
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: would call him when I needed them. I was like

664
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: a bad kid with good credit. You know, he just

665
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: keep getting running up the credit line.

666
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 2: And so.

667
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: Tango ends up offering me a a management in a

668
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: publishing deal. I signed that shit blindfolded, like I'm off

669
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: the first record. The day I signed my deal, I'm

670
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: sitting at Tango's office. He's right across from I signed

671
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: that ship because this is something your signature you think

672
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: like this is you think you got background music or

673
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 1: some shit like that, Like, Yo, this is the day

674
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: you about to pursue the happiness. Clap up the street, listen.

675
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: I signed the deal. He looks at me, said, what

676
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: you think Balloon's gonna come out?

677
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 2: This s guy?

678
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: Get to work, nigga, and thank God for that. Got

679
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 1: to work. I got to work. Yeah, I got to work,

680
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: and I was sleep in the studio. Mister would let

681
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: me crash wherever he crashed, wherever I had to sleep.

682
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: I thought that I'd get a crib after that, but

683
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: it's like, yo, get to work, go earn. It's not

684
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: You're not coming in here to just take put something in.

685
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: And I got to see Neo Yo a few times.

686
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: When I was down Neo with I could call Neil

687
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: like bro I ain't eat yesterday. You think you hold

688
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: me down, Neil will be like, be right there, come

689
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: to the studio thinking about to give me two three

690
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: hundred drop five racks on me. Wow, shit, neo. Nobody

691
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: could say nothing to me about that guy, and a

692
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: few people about you guys, but legit a few times,

693
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: making sure you were straight. And then when I'd be like, yo,

694
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: how am I gonna pay you back? And when I'm

695
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: a god I got you one day back, he'd be like, Yo, bro,

696
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: be great. I didn't give you that as a debt.

697
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: I see it in you be great. So that's my brother.

698
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: So going through all these things, it's part knucklehead legit,

699
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: ungrateful for the family that I came from, and just

700
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: going against all these greens. I start grinding it out,

701
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: grinding it out for some reason or another. By two

702
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, we get the whole team flies out

703
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: to New York to LA for the first time. So

704
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: I land in LA with meeting people. This is all

705
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: the traveling you've done at this point. You've only been

706
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: from New York to Georgia, New York, Jersey or Manhattan,

707
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: Georgia and now LA for the first trip. First trip,

708
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: so we're moving around, were moving around. We end up

709
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: staying there for like a month or two. And on

710
00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: the last day of the first trip, I won't say

711
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: their names, but my two homies they both had a

712
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: crush on this this one girl, right, and they said,

713
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: you're about to call it to the studio. She had

714
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: an internship at Depth Jair and you know, you know

715
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: back then, you meet an intern in Depth Jay and

716
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: she in the building, you think it's lit. So she

717
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: comes to the studio. We work in a record plant

718
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 1: and she pulls up to the studio when I tell

719
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: you my competition, and then I just wasn't that nigga.

720
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: I was. I wasn't the best friend you could have

721
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: because I knew two of my niggas like the girl.

722
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: When I saw I said, okay, I got it. Yeah, facts,

723
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: So I've seen her and I caught her in the

724
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: whole way, you know, the bat the long hall way

725
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: to the back. I caught her in the whole way.

726
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: I smiled at it, and I just grabbed her phone,

727
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: put my number in it and said, text me. She

728
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: texted me, So now I'll go back in the room,

729
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: act like nothing ever happened. Super Snake vibes snake right.

730
00:36:55,400 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: So I'm texting, I'm like, yo, I leave tomorrow. Tomorrow's

731
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: like tonight's my last day. I need to speak to you.

732
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: Something in me wanted to notice girl that night, and

733
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: it wasn't about hitting or nothing like that. So I

734
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 1: was like, Yo, this was back then. I didn't know

735
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: how to drive. I said, this is what you're gonna do.

736
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: You said, hug. Everybody say if you leaving, I'm gonna

737
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: act like I know you're leaving too. In fifteen minutes,

738
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna meet you around the block right or Santa

739
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: Monic or whatever block that is by a record plan

740
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: and we gonna dip off and I just want to

741
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: talk to you. I didn't know her from scratch, but

742
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: something in me wanted her. So exactly what we did.

743
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: I duck off, acting like I had something to do. Yeah,

744
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: And she drove us to Luca Lake to it drove

745
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: me to to Luca Lake where I was staying. She

746
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: had so much respect for herself she wouldn't go up

747
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: to the spot, so I'm like, it's definitely not a

748
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: hit mission. We sat in front of the spot, in

749
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 1: front of her car and fell in love all night,

750
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: just talking. Now I'm pissed. I get back to Atlanta. Atlanta.

751
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: You know Neo's crew niggas. All you're getting is tough

752
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: truth all day. The niggas is treated you like yo.

753
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: You know, like yo, Sam, you know, get the shit

754
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: done or That'shit's not it. And then I got this

755
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: girl in LA that I'm caring about more than the music,

756
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: and the people give me an opportunity. I get back

757
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: to La Atlanta and I miss her like crazy. So

758
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 1: it spends eight months texting this girl, calling this girl,

759
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 1: texting this girl, calling this girl. I write a song

760
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 1: called Hustler for Kerry Hillshare and that gets me a

761
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: flight out to LA again. So to me, it was

762
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 1: just a way back to her.

763
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 2: Everything was all you see what I'm saying.

764
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: So they had me in hotels for a minute. Manny

765
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: and DJ. Those was the people who like Manny DJ Ethiopia.

766
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: Those were the people when I first landed as a

767
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: writer in off of like somebody else's time, like as

768
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 1: a writer on my own strength in LA. They took

769
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 1: me in bro and treated me like family. And so

770
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 1: they'd have me in hotels for like two three months

771
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: for the first time. So she would be with me

772
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: in all the hotels, and so it was like, Nigga,

773
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 1: we can't. There's not another budget we could put you over.

774
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna rap niggas budgets for some reason, like on

775
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: the hotel. So it's like, we can't do this, and

776
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: so Chuck Comedy let me sleep on the couch at

777
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: the studio for three weeks. I remember having forty two

778
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: dollars in my pocket, and it's like he knew I

779
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: was broke, but didn't treat me that way every time

780
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,919
Speaker 1: he ate I ate dog. I had sixteen dollars left

781
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: after three weeks, and I came in there with forty

782
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: two dollars. So that's how much he took care of you.

783
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: So shout out to Chuck. That's smart. Like I got

784
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: so many people.

785
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: To think that, no, you have angels, brother.

786
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 1: It's crazy.

787
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 2: Bro.

788
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: So me and her finally get an apartment, and you

789
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: don't go back home. You don't go back to stay Bro.

790
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 1: I stayed.

791
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 2: I should be the name of your book. I stayed.

792
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 3: Just go through all the progression of where you never left.

793
00:39:58,680 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 2: This shit is great.

794
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 1: Whatever it's said on the move, you're on the move,

795
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: and I don't lose love from where I left either, right,

796
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: So everybody that.

797
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: You don't burn those bridges.

798
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: Even though we were learning these keywords in the wind,

799
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: like love, loyalty, respect, honor, we learned them the wrong way.

800
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: We learned them in the wind. When I switched my

801
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: life over start taking God seriously, those same still you

802
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: can learn them rooted now. I still love them, still

803
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: honored them. Made some people I may not be able

804
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: to see no more because our lifestyles are different, and

805
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: I've noticed things in myself that I can't risk being again.

806
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: But those words still stay in the same when when

807
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: I'm when I'm rooted. Yeah, so now you're in la

808
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: la something. Yeah, two or three probably have. I had

809
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: one with Neo on his album Okay Okay, and that's

810
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of placements ago, but I land

811
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 1: here with that one song. Ethiopia shows Me Love, Carrie

812
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:09,439
Speaker 1: shows Me Love, DJ and more Milly Manny. They showed

813
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: me love and they taking care of me as best

814
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: as they can. Now I'm back being a dickhead, like Yo,

815
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: money's low, what can I flip? My girlfriend won't deal

816
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: with somebody who traps. So we're arguing because in order

817
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: for me to stay with it. I'm looking at her

818
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: like I'm forgetting that.

819
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 2: Yo.

820
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: You could go get a job, you could go take

821
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: a class, you could go you know, you could go

822
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: bea You're reverting. I'm mad at her because she's not

823
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: letting me do yeah. Yeah, So we start arguing. I

824
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: land my first check in LA instead of saying yo,

825
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: me and her finally got it. The people who slept

826
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: on the couch together. I would go cheat on her

827
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 1: with girls who thought that little check would never run

828
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: out right, end up getting caught. Uh, we break up.

829
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: That's the short of it. And now I'm out here

830
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 1: dolely more connections whatever, and I gotta figure shit out myself.

831
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: So me and my old assistant we moved together right

832
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: in North Hollywood for a year. It's gotta be two

833
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: thousand and ten to eleven. And during that year, mars

834
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: from fifteen hundred to nothing, and I would work with

835
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred en nothing in Englewood when it before the

836
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: studio was the building, before the building was the school,

837
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: like they were still the type of people they are today.

838
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: It's never switched. Big brothers and advisors and just good

839
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: hearted like people and talented so Mars calls me up.

840
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: I mean people that would literally give you the plug.

841
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 1: Mars calls me up and says, yo, pull up to

842
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: the studio. I'm working with Chuck. I didn't know who

843
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 1: Chuck was. I'm from the East, so if you say

844
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: chucks me, I have no idea who that is. Pull

845
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: up to the studio. My assistant drove me to the studio.

846
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: I get there, I'm wearing like a Mets jersey, the

847
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: blue joint and the Mets hat. And I walk in

848
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: there it's bloods everywhere. And mind you, I'm from New York.

849
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: I'm not a gangster, and I don't really like all

850
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: I knew about La was what I heard. So I'm like,

851
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: I'm out of pocket right now, you know. So Mars

852
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: introduces me to the game. Who is Chuck? And while

853
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: we're in the studio the first day, the way game

854
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: is very similar to like tango. So I was used

855
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: to the language where it's like cut and dry. Showed

856
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: me what you got, prove it kind of energy, and

857
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 1: by that time it's like I was already in sessions.

858
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: Mike Karen had me in so many sessions. He saw

859
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: something in me would put me in the studio like crazy,

860
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: forever grateful for it. And so by that time I

861
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: already been sparring for so long that I knew that

862
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: I could facts, especially in front of who dude. I

863
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: can't be on stage and do it, but that studio,

864
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: I know I could be in there and impress whoever's

865
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 1: in the room. So we start working. Chuck takes a

866
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: life making to me. Mars is always looking out making

867
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 1: sure that he calls me for this. I ended up

868
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: going to the studio niggas every single day for like

869
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: three four months. The niggas that I was so scared

870
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: of when I got there. I'm talking about niggas with

871
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: like tattoos on their forehead. I ain't understand the language.

872
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 1: It was like, Yo, these niggas is geez. After a while,

873
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: I'm sitting down with my man, uh, watching fucking SpongeBob

874
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: and laughing. Gangster is the same everywhere, And I'm the

875
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: little homie that always got big homie love. I think

876
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: God always positioned me to have really, really, really graceful

877
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 1: and uh like great teachers in my ogs. So meeting

878
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: the crew, they become my crew. I'm with them every day.

879
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: Thanks to Mars. I'm with them every day and Chuck

880
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: inviting me in like a little bro that he just

881
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: has to look out for for some reason. I'm on

882
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: all his mixtapes since we met. And then I get

883
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: comfortable like I always get, and I'm working with Mike

884
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: Caaren a lot. And back then it was like those

885
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: four line paramour kind of hooks where it's like or

886
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: like the could you believe that playing like those types

887
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: of hooks, them full line big Bruno type hooks was popping,

888
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: And so I had one that I was trying to

889
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 1: get on like Loope at Atlantic, but it wasn't placing.

890
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: And so Chuck was working on him the record and

891
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: everything was super gangster and I loved it, but it

892
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: was like, yo, but you know that these full line

893
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: hooks working right now? Yeah, So because I kind of

894
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: said it to him in the room, you know, I

895
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: should have probably pulled them aside, because I said, he

896
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: was like, nigga, what you talking about? So you got

897
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: one of those? And god, I had one. I pressed

898
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 1: play on pot of Golds for him and mind you

899
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: just like him And in the scope, they wasn't going

900
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: to release the record until they found the records released

901
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: and so that record I played in that song and

902
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: he wanted to go against it because he tested me

903
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: in front of everybody. He was like a couple of niggas,

904
00:45:55,640 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: like niggad ass hard. I was like Jeesus. So that

905
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: record within two or three days, he did his versus

906
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: two three days, he plays it for Jimmy Ivien. Jimmy

907
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: Ivien unlocks his budget, and then after that they had

908
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: Chris Brown on it a few days later. A month

909
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: later it was out. And the reason I love him

910
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: a lot of people work with a writer and you

911
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: kind of never hear them say thank you in public

912
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: or even in person. He would find cool ways to

913
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: pay me back, Like he'll go on his Twitter and

914
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: say yo shots to Sam Hooks. It's the hardest writer

915
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: and lo and behold. You know, I may not be

916
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: what I was doing before, but brown papers still look

917
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: good to me. So a whole bunch of people from

918
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,439
Speaker 1: other countries will reach out, Can I get a hook?

919
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: Can I get it? I'm out here, Wilin Hooks left

920
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 1: and right. It really became what happens when a person

921
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: of you, guys like Stature, even what you're doing right now,

922
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 1: there's gonna be people who see this. They they believe

923
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: in the story, or they believe in my work at

924
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: their go my talent and they're gonna reach out. This

925
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: is love, bro, But it doesn't happen with mad people.

926
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: I've sold independently in major, put together three hundred fifty songs, bro, shit,

927
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: three fifty songs, yeah, independent in major. You know how

928
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: many niggas shot me out? Less than one percent of

929
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: that about one percent, it's like three or four niggas. Yeah,

930
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 1: that's crazy. That's crazy because you've worked with a lot

931
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: of people. Facts. It's not their fault. I'm not tight.

932
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, but.

933
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: I don't see what they gotta go through. They gotta

934
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: it's too many people to remember. But when somebody has

935
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: it in them to do it, that's the part.

936
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 2: You know.

937
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: Writers don't get thank God for tan't go again. I

938
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: always got an upfront fee for record, unless it's my

939
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: brother asking for it. It's my first record. I got

940
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: a upfront fee. Yeah, so I knew how to ask

941
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: for it the way they they would ask for it.

942
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: I learned from these niggas how that make sure you

943
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: get your bag up front, and so I enjoyed getting

944
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: the indie bag because it paid. Now yeah, and guys

945
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: like Game Game put me in this video. That's that

946
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: that makes where I'm from be grateful for Game makes

947
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 1: where I'm from be proud of me. And these things

948
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: help when people are speaking about you when you're not there.

949
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 1: If you know me, you know, I'm not taking a

950
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: picture of myself and I don't know how to promote myself.

951
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: These ways is the only ways people can find out

952
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: about me good works and and love and respect. So

953
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 1: I'm always grateful to Chuck for that Pot of Gold

954
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: came out. It did well on that same album. I

955
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: think it's that same album Me and you Just See

956
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:49,959
Speaker 1: No Evil with Kendrick and the next album. Yeah, yeah,

957
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: so is that I knew you before that though? Yeah,

958
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: I would probably be too scared around you, bro. When

959
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 1: I'm around greatness and like people that are up, like

960
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: looking up to and listening to, I go right back

961
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: to feeling like I'm a whole scrib is just mad scared.

962
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:07,240
Speaker 2: You know what? I remember?

963
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 3: You know what I think because you did the demo right,

964
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 3: did you? Okay, so I didn't believe that was your voice.

965
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, because the nigga don't sing like you talk. No, no,

966
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 3: not at all, not at all and I was like,

967
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 3: who's who's Michael Lesk voice?

968
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 2: I remember that.

969
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:30,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, he has a higher pitch.

970
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 2: It's something it's up there.

971
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: Especially back then.

972
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

973
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that was my first time, only time ever

974
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: working with Kendrick is with you. Me and you work

975
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: twice so far, now is it twice?

976
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 3: Yeah?

977
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: When we remix that's right. Yeah, yeah, I know you

978
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: know when I worked with you.

979
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 2: I remember.

980
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: Me and Jay Valentine maybe two thousand and nine to ten,

981
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: and we did it for you. Yes, yeah, it's for you.

982
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 2: What's for you? This is for you?

983
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 1: Uh, it's the it's the video where actually trying to

984
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: which I don't shoot videos ali enough. It's a black

985
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: and white video, which is crazy because the second black

986
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: and white video I did turned out to be thank

987
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: me for that at his spot? Remember.

988
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 2: Yeah?

989
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yo, it's an honor. I'm a proud little

990
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: homie to have no Listen, bro, you've you've always answered

991
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: the call, You've always answered my call, and for us,

992
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: it's it's one of those things like like you were

993
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: saying even about with the podcast, this is my favorite

994
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: pot thank you bro, period. This is this is why

995
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: we we've done the podcast, right, because we want to

996
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: celebrate the real ones and the people whose stories don't

997
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 1: always get a spotlight on them. Yeah, you know what

998
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: I mean, Like it's and I think it's it's been

999
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: cool for us because we don't look at our podcast

1000
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: as oh, we have to have such and such every week,

1001
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: because that's not what's the most important thing to us.

1002
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: Our thing is for people to learn the stories and learn,

1003
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,919
Speaker 1: you know, the journeys and the different ways that people

1004
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: have gone about getting to their success, and just even

1005
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: your story, Like I know a lot of it because

1006
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: we really really friends in real life and we've said

1007
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: and talked and you know what I mean, I know

1008
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: your whole mindset of this shit. Like every time you

1009
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: say and I had to get back to the pack,

1010
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 1: I know that about you, you know what I'm saying.

1011
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 2: So, but the.

1012
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: Casual fan, our listener or viewer doesn't understand that, you know,

1013
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 1: there are people who've had to because at this point

1014
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: you have three or four songs out placements, the whole shit,

1015
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: you're still looking for the pack at that point. Facts,

1016
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: because this business there's just snow guarantees in it. It's

1017
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: snow guarantees of when that next placement is coming. But

1018
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: the one thing that I've noticed with you all the time,

1019
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: and you kind of mentioned that you tapped on it

1020
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: was like you said it, I got three hundred and

1021
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: fifty records so independent and on majors. You figured out

1022
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 1: how to get to the independent bag, which is very

1023
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: very important, which a lot of major yeah, and a

1024
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: lot of major label writers and producers they kind of, yeah,

1025
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: I don't really do that because you know, my fee

1026
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: is this, and you're like, no, no, no, no, no no,

1027
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: this is my new pack.

1028
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 2: Exactly.

1029
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,439
Speaker 1: And I respect that because it also kept your ass

1030
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 1: from going to jail in fact, you know what I'm saying, like,

1031
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: which a lot of guys they take a lot of

1032
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: different chances getting back into the streets or getting too

1033
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 1: the streets that they've never been a part of, don't

1034
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: understand the streets, and now they fucked up instead of saying,

1035
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: you know what, this can be my hustle. And like

1036
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: I said, but I respect that. When I finally quit

1037
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: doing like anything wrong for the bag, I realized how

1038
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: hard it must be songwriters to get paper yeah. Because

1039
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: it was mixed. So it felt really good for a

1040
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: long period of time where it's like I know, we

1041
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 1: could go to the bowling alley, rent thirty lanes, we

1042
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 1: could do this, we could do that. But the one

1043
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: thing that I'll say to anybody who's young and listening,

1044
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: I don't glorify that shit at all. A life that

1045
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: you can't put on a calendar, you're plugg don't have

1046
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: a calendar or a schedule or structure. You know, you

1047
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: on his time, so you could never be on your

1048
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: own time. You're waiting here, you're waiting there. The things

1049
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 1: that are most important in your life that on your calendar,

1050
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: they shouldn't only be obligation. It's just fucking bills or

1051
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 1: when to ride to work or doctor's appointments. You could

1052
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 1: turn your life into a menu that you picked out

1053
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: if you do things that are allowed onto your calendar.

1054
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 3: And so.

1055
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: I realized this. So all this time that I was

1056
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: doing all that stuff and having all these friends and

1057
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: having all that fun, one I'm definitely shunning because you

1058
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: ever you ever smashed the wrong short, you wake up

1059
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 1: the next day you feel like you can't pray. You

1060
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. So and then two I'm like,

1061
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: that's a married man, bro, Wow.

1062
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 2: Night, forgive me yo.

1063
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 1: My dad I never it was mad and titled, like

1064
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: I never built a relationship with my family because they

1065
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: could never know about my real day. So it's surface.

1066
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,919
Speaker 1: It's like how you doing good? How you doing good?

1067
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 1: And so when I when I uh Lee and Roussell

1068
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: when they passed away twenty eighteen. The things that when

1069
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: you live a life that usually I'm never going to

1070
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 1: say I was two feet in when you want foot

1071
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: in one foot out. There's things that your big homie

1072
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 1: could tell you when you was eleven years old and say, yo,

1073
00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: life no regrets. You'll live with no regrets. So you

1074
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: go home and you practice that. What do you pick

1075
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: up instead? Justification for all your bullshit? So everybody's memories

1076
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: in your lifetime is just you justifying your bullshit. You

1077
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: don't have no idea how they feel because you think

1078
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: you're right all the time. And yo, things that caught

1079
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: the short end of the stick in my lifetime from

1080
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: zero to thirty years old was yo, I never had

1081
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 1: a real relationship that I can be honest with my dad,

1082
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 1: like whenever you like, if I can't tell you about

1083
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: my whole day, I'm not being honest with you. So

1084
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: when Lee and Rasseau passed away. Let me tell you something,

1085
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 1: I probably never admitted it in person or to anybody

1086
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: or in public when they passed away. Leah was my artist,

1087
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: Rasu was business partner in with us for Leah. So

1088
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 1: and mind you, that's my sister, that's my brother, that's

1089
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: I love them. They had my house all week long.

1090
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: You know, we're together bowling, we're together, karaoke together, drink

1091
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: and we're got eating at my house all the time.

1092
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: So when they passed away, I remember the text threat, right,

1093
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: So I'm so quick to go public and say harpe

1094
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: and I love you and I'm feeling it. But I

1095
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: didn't know what I was feeling when I looked at

1096
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: the text threat. It's me curving every time they asked

1097
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: me for the last two three weeks or months, when

1098
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: they would ask me to do something productive. Instead, I'm

1099
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: looking at my text message that I made up to

1100
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: make them say okay, so I can go chill with

1101
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 1: a joint or chill with my niggas and do the

1102
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: wrong thing. Right, I'm looking at how I was avoiding

1103
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: them and giving them and thinking that I'm always going

1104
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: to be able to round back and make it right.

1105
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying, and I don't think I

1106
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: ever felt true guilt until I realized how fake of

1107
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: a nigga I was to them. It's like, if you

1108
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 1: ever think, like right now, you can believe the person

1109
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: I hand myself into you as but the surveillance is different.

1110
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: Surveillance sees me weary and sees me scared. Surveillance sees

1111
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: me panicked. That's spirit and adequate, you know, all the

1112
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 1: things that people don't show when they want their perception

1113
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 1: to be the true story. But so it's like I

1114
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: started really feeling guilt, Like, what did God see this

1115
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: whole time? He saw the way there, they saw me there,

1116
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying, But how do you look

1117
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: when no one's looking? I hated the answer. I hated

1118
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: started really just doing mass self work. And once you

1119
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: put that one string of guilt, you never felt it before.

1120
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: I look at it like tabs, like all the open tabs,

1121
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: thirty years of open tabs. It took a thousand days

1122
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: to close. I spent twenty nineteen twenty twenty one by myself,

1123
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: my engineer, and my assistant. Only two people I saw.

1124
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: I was so buried in guilt and grudges. And grief.

1125
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: I didn't know what how to handle, and I had

1126
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: to do like a remorse. We'll do it called men's tour,

1127
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,959
Speaker 1: you know, and apology tour, like reaching out to people

1128
00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: and saying, oh, I finally realized what effects I could

1129
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: have had on you. It's people that I'm like, yo,

1130
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: let's go do a stick up. You see what I'm saying.

1131
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: And we're fifteen, sixteen years old, we're doing stick ups.

1132
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: We think it's funny, but one of them go get

1133
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: locked up. It's not funny no more. And if he

1134
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: learned from me and my guys, you got a whole

1135
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: future that's different because of us, so different things that

1136
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: was happening. It's like, ya, I saw that this. I'm

1137
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: on the same story that Jesus Christ exists on, Michael

1138
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: Jordan exists on, Michael Jackson exists on, Barack Obama, Will Smith,

1139
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: all the people that I love and look up to,

1140
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: And I got a character in the same story that

1141
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: they're in. It never the story of history don't start over.

1142
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: So I got a character, and this is what I

1143
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: chose to do with it. I hated it, and so

1144
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 1: I spent mad time doing like unlearning the conversation we

1145
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: had at the crypt unlearning things, and I got I

1146
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: fell in love with time. Like tank, if I ask

1147
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 1: you how many hours there in the day, what you

1148
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: wanna say? I don't know how many hours? If I

1149
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: told you there was more than twenty four hours in

1150
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: the day, would you believe me? Exactly? I believe that too.

1151
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: I started unlocking that right now. If me and you

1152
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: and Jay's on a Tuesday together, there's at least seventy

1153
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 1: two hours on a Tuesday. And it's if this's seven

1154
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: point nine billion people are counted for on planet Earth,

1155
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: that's seven point nine billion time twenty four hours happening Tuesday.

1156
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yo, we've been all focused on self,

1157
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: all focused on self. We can't even plan correctly. But

1158
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 1: how do big companies plan? They planning man hours? How

1159
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: do they break it down and how do they make sure?

1160
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: Like and then I was so depressed going through so much,

1161
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, if I felt like I was in

1162
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: a jail selling God said, yo, what matters to you?

1163
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: And my answer, if God is your CEO, You're gonna

1164
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: be like you do you matter? And then I said

1165
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: my family matters? And then I said my gift and

1166
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: the effects it has on history. And so it's like

1167
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 1: guys like, all right, cool, I'll let you out if

1168
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: you prove that to be your routine, your calendar, your

1169
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: checkoff system daily in chronological order. So you said I

1170
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,439
Speaker 1: come first, boom, I need to see me come first

1171
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 1: from surveillance. So I need to see you pray on

1172
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: your knees, pray out loud, read your Bible, write the

1173
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: notes that you just learned, write the laws you found

1174
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: in it, and promise me something that you're going to

1175
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: do today from what you just read. I need to

1176
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: see you.

1177
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 2: Yo.

1178
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: You don't got no relationship with your family. You think

1179
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: you do because they love you and it's endless and

1180
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 1: it's un you know, unconditional, But what does yours look like?

1181
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 1: Have you ever gave them on conditional? Look? Do you

1182
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: even know how? So I put my dad first. I

1183
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 1: create a specially bro I put my dad first. On

1184
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: the specialet. Put my first. It was God, what time

1185
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 1: did you get here? Then it's pray. Then it's read

1186
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 1: your Bible. Then it's what is your takeaway? Then it's

1187
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 1: reach out to dad, reach out to mom, reach out

1188
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: to my older brother Danny, my older sister, and that

1189
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: my little brother Timmy my little brother Paul, nieces and nephews.

1190
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: It says Wednesdays because I ain't got every day for

1191
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: the youngest, but my siblings, my parents. You know, for

1192
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: a thousand days I reached out to my father every

1193
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 1: single day. Today, he's my best friend. I popped up

1194
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 1: on this calendar. Five am for me is eight am

1195
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: for him. So if you got to be at his

1196
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 1: job and shout out to my pops. He's the first

1197
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: Haitian funeral business owner in New York State history. But like,

1198
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: if I call him before he gets there, first few days,

1199
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: this is somebody who is used to expecting the worst

1200
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 1: in me. But I realized, like yo, dust settles, it

1201
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 1: turned into cement. So if you humble enough, you young enough,

1202
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: you grab the chisel. You don't give up until it's

1203
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 1: in the form you wanted in. You see what I'm saying.

1204
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: So I chiseled away at my relationship with my pops.

1205
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,439
Speaker 1: I did not give up on him for a few days.

1206
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: It was discouraging because I'm like, how you doing. He's like, well,

1207
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 1: I sent me, like what you need?

1208
01:01:59,200 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 2: What do you want?

1209
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Pops is stern, but he's mad understanding, but I

1210
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 1: also realized things like this, like how was your day

1211
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 1: is a beautiful question to ask intentionally, a sucky question

1212
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: to ask unintentionally. So how's your day? Good? Sucks? How

1213
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: was your day? Not?

1214
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 2: For real?

1215
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 1: Tell me about your day? What was your favorite thing

1216
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 1: you learned? What's the worst thing when you? I started

1217
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: requiring him to speak to me? I made him talk

1218
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 1: to me. Bro discouraged a few times and wanting to

1219
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: drop it, but I'm like, Nah, something that in me says,

1220
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 1: don't give up.

1221
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 2: Keep doing it.

1222
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 1: I call my pops every single day, by the day

1223
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 1: nine hundred. So what happens to you when you look

1224
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 1: through your days, find out what information is worth carrying,

1225
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: what information is worth dropping? You're clearing your cash all

1226
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 1: them open tabs. Like if nobody asked you how your

1227
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 1: day was for thirty days, you might not even ask yourself.

1228
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 1: So now you got thirty days open tabs, and your

1229
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 1: buffer can just start tricking off. You see what I'm saying.

1230
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: I was requiring my pops, we lived seventy years at

1231
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: this point, to look through his days, and the first

1232
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 1: time in his life somebody's requiring him to say this

1233
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 1: is my favorite part.

1234
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 2: This is what I could do better.

1235
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 1: He got so used to doing it. One day, my

1236
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: sister texts the family chat. She's like, Yo, something's wrong

1237
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 1: with Poppy.

1238
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 2: Right.

1239
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, what happened? I'm three thousand miles away. What happened?

1240
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 1: She's like, Nah, nothing like that. But this guy just

1241
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 1: asked me how my day was. Yeah, yo, but yo,

1242
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 1: little things like Yo, what are your assets? Bro? Like

1243
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 1: everybody want to talk paper or talk purchases. My biggest

1244
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 1: asset is my relationship with God, my relationship with my family.

1245
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: These two things I build on like their business I

1246
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 1: check off. You've seen it. I showed it to you.

1247
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: I checked these things off, like that's the start of

1248
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: my day is business. I make sure that I could

1249
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 1: check off that. I and then the days that I

1250
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: slack and don't reach out to on this spreadsheet, I

1251
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 1: could see, Yo, Sammy, you haven't checked on them for

1252
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: three days. You're not watering your flowers. So these things,

1253
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 1: to me is kind of became more important. And I

1254
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 1: could tell that even having that type of structure, that

1255
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 1: type of routine, changed my life and it leaked into

1256
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 1: my business. Now I have because of how depressed I

1257
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: was to get out of it. I leanked on god

1258
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: lengthd on family, created routines, created structures, and I'm starting

1259
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 1: to realize all things need structure. The reason the first

1260
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 1: few times I invest in artists it don't work. One

1261
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 1: I'm bad leader. Two I have no structure. Three I'm

1262
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 1: trying to carry anything on my memory. I'm gonna shut down.

1263
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lose. You can't You're not a canvas for

1264
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 1: success in that type of thing. And so I've been

1265
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: in like these last I have every single day written out,

1266
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 1: so my journal runs all my revenue streams today, and

1267
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 1: I have one middle journal piece what we call central

1268
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 1: information or new information log where every information that came

1269
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 1: in from any direction, I put every log there and

1270
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 1: two people share it. Right had operations and assystem So

1271
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 1: when this is shared to that middle link, if it

1272
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: took me ten hours to go through something, but I

1273
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 1: got a team of five and it takes fifteen minutes

1274
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 1: to explain you see what I'm saying. I'm not spending

1275
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 1: fifteen thirty forty five you feel me, it's sixty on

1276
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 1: telling nobody else. I could tell it to the middle

1277
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 1: and they have a checkoff system for the company that

1278
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 1: checks the middle moves every lock to the department, set department,

1279
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 1: and I started just learning, like yo, this structural shit

1280
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 1: really works. It gives us a lot of time. In

1281
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Speaker 1: the day, I used to God gave me a big

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01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 1: crew with but I had no direction, no good leadership,

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01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 1: and I wasted time. So if my crew was ten

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01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 1: people willing to give eight hours, there was a few

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01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 1: days I could live in one day on a plan.

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01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 1: But I didn't see it like that. And now with

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01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 1: less people, you know, the people I'm blessed to have

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01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: with today, I take care of the time because with

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01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 1: like as an old to like lean Rossue, as an

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01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 1: old to the old partners that I wasn't a good

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01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 1: partner to, you know, as an old to the artist

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01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 1: that I over promising, then to deliver it to like today,

1293
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 1: it's like everything is on the calendar, and if you're

1294
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 1: talking to me and the wind, I'm gonna write down

1295
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 1: what you just said to you at the it said

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01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 1: to me at the end of the conversation if there

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01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: was any importance in it, and texted to you so

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01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 1: there's a thread that I could copy and paste into

1299
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Speaker 1: my system so my team can see what's going on.

1300
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 1: Full transparency. I studied eight hundred numbers, and I'm like,

1301
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: I call all eight hundred numbers in my phone and

1302
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 1: I'm just studying, like asking why do they have their

1303
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 1: people that work for them answer questions like this? And

1304
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 1: the person who picks up the phone is like, how

1305
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 1: can I help you? When you finish helping me, you

1306
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 1: ask is there anything else I can do? Your business

1307
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 1: is asking for more work at all fucking times, and me,

1308
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 1: I get a bag. I don't need another bag now

1309
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 1: I need to go stunt. Nah. Business has to be

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01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 1: up and running. There's somebody got to be at the

1311
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 1: door asking for business, and so learning all these things,

1312
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 1: and I could say I spent the last five six

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01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 1: years just unlocking coldes, writing protocols. Because you can't leave

1314
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 1: your talents to your children. You can't leave your swag,

1315
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 1: you can't leave your personality, but your protocol. You could

1316
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: leave it completely short and give them a protocol to

1317
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 1: anything we learned that hasn't been written here, aid it

1318
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 1: in will be a college in fifty years. If not,

1319
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: we'll be it will be a college. Nobody knows. All

1320
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: of our children have access to protocol how tos whatnot?

1321
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 1: And then teach them how to refine it, because as

1322
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 1: time passes by, you can make it better. But I

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01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 1: felt like yo, I in order to take my l's

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01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 1: and turn them into things that I could be grateful for.

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Speaker 1: The biggest things I'm grateful for is learning how to

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01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 1: spend time with my family bro and how to to

1327
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 1: to see the wrong and doing the wrong thing, and

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01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 1: how to be accountable and how to structure my day

1329
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 1: to where the things that matter happened and all the

1330
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 1: things I can't control don't bother me. And it helps

1331
01:07:57,920 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 1: with your stress. It helps with the things that we

1332
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 1: go through by making sure it's written out of you

1333
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 1: and shared to a team that you trust. Like kings

1334
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 1: and queens have a hand, they have a historian, they

1335
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:10,479
Speaker 1: got to somebody in every department. We're kind of thrown

1336
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 1: into the world without even identifying the departments.

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Speaker 2: No structure.

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01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you said, that's what it just comes down to.

1339
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 1: And then moving into a business like music is probably

1340
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:25,640
Speaker 1: the least amount of structure you can possibly have in

1341
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 1: any actual business. And that is why most of the

1342
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:32,760
Speaker 1: creatives get the you know, the bad end of the stick.

1343
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:36,720
Speaker 1: Facts they have. It's like they'll go against it and

1344
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 1: their brain to explode, right if they got a caught

1345
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 1: that it affects your creative right. And that's why to me,

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01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,879
Speaker 1: you are also so important to this podcast and important

1347
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 1: for you to come here to talk about the business

1348
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 1: that you've set up while still being creative. Got you,

1349
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because we try to. We

1350
01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 1: try to explain it at times too, just from what

1351
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 1: we've done ourselves of becoming our own business and our

1352
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 1: brand and building it out and still being creative, you

1353
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But I think a lot of

1354
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 1: times it's kind of passable with Tank and I because

1355
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, well, you know, y'all just go saying

1356
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 1: are you just going this? Or you could just go

1357
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 1: and you just and it's just, you know what I mean,

1358
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 1: it kind of gets written off to me. Maybe maybe

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01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:27,519
Speaker 1: not to other people, but to me it does. It's like,

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01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:31,600
Speaker 1: I don't think they fully understand the scope of what

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01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 1: we've had to do to literally be able to really

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01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 1: survive this thing and create a brand like R and

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01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 1: B money. This is not just off of talent. This

1364
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,560
Speaker 1: is you know, this is real you know, meetings of

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01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 1: the minds, you know what I mean. And you know

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01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 1: we haven't implemented a structure like you. But I'm paying

1367
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 1: attention because that ship. Now we're going to ship. Those

1368
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 1: things that you've done are really really important to you know,

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01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 1: to a business that holds no true structure. For real crier,

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01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 1: it's the biggest way to love is if I we're

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01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 1: all smart enough in this room, and some people outside

1372
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 1: the room may not be. But if we're smart enough

1373
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:19,559
Speaker 1: to say, yo, oh, snap yo. I got five people

1374
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:21,680
Speaker 1: giving me eight hours a day, I'm doing more than

1375
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,680
Speaker 1: twenty four hours to towards the planet day. You know,

1376
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 1: So say JP Morgan got three hundred thousand people giving

1377
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:33,720
Speaker 1: him roughly ten hours right a day for work inside

1378
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 1: of his structure protocol places that he can find. That's

1379
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:38,640
Speaker 1: three million hours that he can find, a glitch on

1380
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 1: where to reprimand a space on where to hire, or

1381
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 1: a place to like something's done well. Time saved to

1382
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 1: him and his structure to where to promote three million

1383
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 1: hours eighty two hundred years a day he's living, but

1384
01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 1: three hundred thousand people have a place to stay, food

1385
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 1: to eat, families, take people that didn't know what to

1386
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:07,680
Speaker 1: do with their time necessarily yet can like I want

1387
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Speaker 1: to be one thousand hours by the time of forty.

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01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 1: I want to be ten thousand hours by the time

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Speaker 1: about fifty.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 1: Let's talk about these songs, gotcha, Let's talk about these songs.

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01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 1: We talked about the business side of it. So how

1393
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 1: do you get to this space now? Because you're in LA,

1394
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 1: you're writing these records and you know you got album

1395
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 1: placements and you get your first single with Pottigo. Yeah,

1396
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 1: that's your first single?

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01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 2: Correct?

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01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 1: How does that lead to Trays? No, there's probably a

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01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 1: few songs in between, but Trays nine Steel O'Brien from

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01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 1: Ridiculousness for listeners. My brother, one of the first friends

1401
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 1: I made in La Legit like just would wanted to

1402
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 1: bring me up to people, bring me the drama, bring

1403
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 1: me to Rob, bring me to just to introduce me

1404
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 1: and like, yo, keep like they like. He's like, yo,

1405
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:10,640
Speaker 1: keep saying I had a song called Smartphones that I

1406
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 1: have writ and then it was circulating trying to get

1407
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 1: placed and Steel logos and plays it for Trey. Doesn't

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01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 1: I didn't know he did. I get a d M

1409
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 1: from Trey on Twitter. He's like, Yo, bro stel O

1410
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 1: just played me the Smartphones record, Yo, I need to

1411
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 1: cut this, y'all right, and so I called my older brother.

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01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 1: My older brother was in time for that. I think

1413
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 1: we got him the stems immediately, and we went up

1414
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 1: to his crib in the hills. And first thing Trey

1415
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 1: does before we thought we was gonna go cut it

1416
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:48,840
Speaker 1: with him, he's like, Yo, pull up, I'm abowt to

1417
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 1: cut it. When we get there, this shit's cut and

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01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:56,600
Speaker 1: it's perfect, and I'm like, yes, thank you Jesus. He

1419
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 1: plays it for me and my older brother, which is

1420
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 1: a dope moment because that friend ship turned out to

1421
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 1: be that, that relationship turned out to be a brotherhood

1422
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 1: of a friendship that I never ever ever stopped being

1423
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 1: grateful for. He the first person to give me eight

1424
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 1: or nine songs on the album.

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01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 2: Hm. Shit, Yeah.

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01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:16,600
Speaker 1: We hung out, We played two K we played basketball,

1427
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 1: We chilled with girls. We chilled with the boys like

1428
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 1: with my with the homies pause, we chilled with the

1429
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 1: homies like but we was legit like always together his

1430
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 1: crew and mind you, up until this point, I was

1431
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 1: like lone wolf unless album chilling with all shorty and so,

1432
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 1: or unless I'm with my crew that we do the

1433
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 1: other thing with so to have a crew again because

1434
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:40,840
Speaker 1: Neo's team never stopped being family, but they was in

1435
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 1: a you know. And so to have another crew again

1436
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:47,679
Speaker 1: of young niggas just like myself, knuckleheads just like myself,

1437
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 1: it was like it was a blessing. So legit, we

1438
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 1: start off with smartphones, the label loves ith. Trey cuts himself,

1439
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 1: so it makes it easy. He could just pull up

1440
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 1: to his crib studio. You could cut the whole album.

1441
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 1: Were playing two K, listening to the beats, writing songs.

1442
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 1: We did cake, we did you Ain't Shit, Yes, no,

1443
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 1: maybe late night shit, mister still your girl, all playing

1444
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:16,560
Speaker 1: two K, my nigga, Yeah, I'm kyrie.

1445
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 3: You know.

1446
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1447
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 1: So the non record, Trey hits me. He's like, yo,

1448
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 1: I got Musta coming to the studio. But we had

1449
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 1: already known that we was going to go to the

1450
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 1: jay Z show, right, So when we all get there,

1451
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:36,560
Speaker 1: Mustard was signed to Rock Nation, me and Trey was

1452
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 1: already going, and so all of us had in mind

1453
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 1: and like, yo, damn, we got this session today, but

1454
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:44,559
Speaker 1: we want to go see the whole show. Yeah, right,

1455
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 1: So forty five minutes it took to write that song.

1456
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 1: It was It wasn't ever a throwaway. We heard the

1457
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:53,759
Speaker 1: beat and it's just media. I think I went outside.

1458
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 1: I used to smoke a lot, went outside, smoke, came

1459
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:57,639
Speaker 1: back in the studio and I was just joking around

1460
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 1: when I heard the beating, like oh, Nona right, And

1461
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:03,719
Speaker 1: we just kept on playing around and tell the shit

1462
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 1: like we had to get something done and wrote the

1463
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:10,599
Speaker 1: record and literally like twenty minutes, cut it in twenty minutes.

1464
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 1: Final vocals is still from the first day and popped

1465
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 1: out to the whole tour.

1466
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 2: So what y'all?

1467
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 1: Pretty much the demo turned into the record.

1468
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 1: Trade is really good at cutting quick and cutting his

1470
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 1: own vocals. I think the only thing we did later

1471
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 1: was a bridge.

1472
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 2: Okay.

1473
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:31,599
Speaker 1: I remember the text Thrad It was like yo yo,

1474
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:33,720
Speaker 1: I think I still have it said. He's like, yo, bro,

1475
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 1: it's just a single. He tagged me and Mustard in

1476
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 1: the text. Start were just like yo, let let's go.

1477
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I'm still I was still mad that

1478
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:42,960
Speaker 1: the smartphones wasn't taken off like I thought it was,

1479
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:44,640
Speaker 1: because that was the true story of my life, like

1480
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 1: me getting caught got caught up.

1481
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1482
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 1: So, but one thing you could say is like one

1483
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 1: you tell gods your plans. You're gonna laugh. But the

1484
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:56,680
Speaker 1: two like y'all, you gotta uh sit in the car,

1485
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 1: know who's driving, and don't join the weather. You could

1486
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 1: drive through fire, drive through lightning, you could drive through rain,

1487
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 1: you could drive through a sunny day. You're sitting while

1488
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 1: he's driving. And so today I can look backwards and

1489
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:10,680
Speaker 1: appreciate that time way more than I did during it.

1490
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 1: That time I was probably more focused on chicks, girls, women,

1491
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:18,439
Speaker 1: And it's kind of been kind of in your life.

1492
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 1: It's always you know, it's an excuse to chill with

1493
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 1: my day ones or an excuse to chill with girls.

1494
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 1: Major distractions and for most of us, ration and motivation

1495
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 1: to keep doing this stay. Yeah, they ones aren't distraction,

1496
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 1: but the reason for it. So let's say, let's what

1497
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 1: what causes our mistakes. You go down to yourself at

1498
01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:47,679
Speaker 1: four years old. I don't know if you have anything

1499
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 1: like me, but I didn't have. Jordan's right, I'm with you.

1500
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:55,759
Speaker 1: So I go to school with the thousands, some payless

1501
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:57,600
Speaker 1: or there was a store in Brooklyn called Bobby, So

1502
01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:01,960
Speaker 1: I'm you don't want to bout it. You see that

1503
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 1: Bobby's back, come in. You can start crying.

1504
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:07,799
Speaker 2: Milwaukee.

1505
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 1: It was today. I'm really grateful for my parents for

1506
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:14,840
Speaker 1: not giving into their kids, telling them that you should

1507
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 1: purchase this because everybody thinks it's cool. They gave us

1508
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:19,760
Speaker 1: what we needed. But back then, I'm like, what are

1509
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: those You see what I'm saying. So you come home,

1510
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:24,600
Speaker 1: you go to school, church and family don't give you

1511
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 1: emotions like desperation and adequacy, heartbreak, you know, or doubt.

1512
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 1: They build you up. The church is reminded of a kingdom.

1513
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 1: Of school's like a jail. So you go to the jail.

1514
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:39,559
Speaker 1: And now you go to jail and you're sitting in there.

1515
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 1: There's thirty kids in the class. One baddy right, and

1516
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 1: you look down like there's no way I'm not the

1517
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:49,360
Speaker 1: one who bags. So you got to walk home with

1518
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 1: this desperation thing, you know, and it hurts a kid,

1519
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:58,640
Speaker 1: bro it does. You walk home with feeling less than

1520
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 1: and you never thought you was less than until that day.

1521
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 1: And your parents keep telling you like, you'll be happy

1522
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 1: what you have. They try to make sure you remember

1523
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 1: the facts, but you're not hearing it. When you got

1524
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 1: to sit in that classroom that's just like general population

1525
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 1: and you looking weak out there and so legit like

1526
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:18,559
Speaker 1: I could look back and then the reason I could

1527
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 1: forgive myself and forgive all these all my guys, and

1528
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:25,080
Speaker 1: we're all good no matter what where we ended up,

1529
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:29,000
Speaker 1: you know, with children picking up emotions, and we're making

1530
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:32,800
Speaker 1: room friends in the in a in a room that

1531
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 1: sponsors by a wrong emotion, friendships in a room that's

1532
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 1: sponsored by a wrong emotions. So we if we all

1533
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 1: have desperation in common, nobody gonna find desperation wrong. How's

1534
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 1: it gonna feel when you got to take it out

1535
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:46,960
Speaker 1: of you? You might not agree with the people you

1536
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 1: saw your whole life, so like it goes the same way,

1537
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:55,000
Speaker 1: so some of the me being distracted. It leads back

1538
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 1: to just simple emotions that you walk home from school

1539
01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:59,640
Speaker 1: with that shouldn't ever be your few. You can use

1540
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 1: them like your fuel, like even impulse. You know a

1541
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 1: lot of niggas get pats on the back of impulse,

1542
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 1: but it got you here. They fuck with you, But

1543
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:11,679
Speaker 1: this impulse keep you here. No, So at some point

1544
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 1: you got to take out the thing that once fueled

1545
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 1: you and be fueled by something you can keep sustain. Yeah, yeah,

1546
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 1: I agree and disagree with that, I think because the fuel,

1547
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 1: whatever that is. It's different for each person, right, And

1548
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 1: whatever that fuel is, you have to you gotta keep

1549
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 1: that light, you gotta keep that gas going. That's the profit.

1550
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 1: But are you getting away from feeling life? Do you

1551
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 1: want if pain makes you write the best songs and

1552
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 1: when you're happy you write trash? Do I want you

1553
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 1: to be painful so we can make some chicken? Or

1554
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 1: am I happy you can feel better?

1555
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:54,840
Speaker 3: Well? I think that in looking at it that way,

1556
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 3: you can say it that way, but I think that

1557
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:01,320
Speaker 3: I think that what happens is this, and I love

1558
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 3: that that you brought that line, is that it's not

1559
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:09,160
Speaker 3: necessarily that you write your best songs when you were

1560
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 3: in pain. It was just there was just an overwhelming

1561
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:16,360
Speaker 3: connection to the pain that you were going through that connected.

1562
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 3: It's just a difference in time. Right, So I'm writing

1563
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 3: these sad songs. I'm a great I'm a great sad songwriter, right, great,

1564
01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 3: But I was like that sign no more. You know

1565
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:34,639
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, you can tap in. I'm not said,

1566
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 3: but guess what I connected so great at that to

1567
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 3: where when I wasn't going through it anymore, you almost

1568
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:50,000
Speaker 3: feel like you're not doing good work because sometimes the

1569
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 3: response isn't the same. But that's that's based on the

1570
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 3: demand that people have gotten used to. But I said, listen,

1571
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 3: I'm going to keep this happy in this sex music

1572
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 3: in your face until you understand that this is what

1573
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 3: I'm on. That was work, But my best work is

1574
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:16,560
Speaker 3: all of my fucking works. It always is, and and

1575
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:20,680
Speaker 3: and so whether whether it's motivated, whether I'm being motivated

1576
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:25,400
Speaker 3: in the trench trying to survive, or whether I'm thriving

1577
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 3: and I just feel like cooking up a.

1578
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:32,360
Speaker 1: Tune, motivation, that's a good thing. Desperation. You could be

1579
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:36,160
Speaker 1: down today, I could be below down. Desperation ain't gonna

1580
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:36,719
Speaker 1: hit my system.

1581
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is that you've been able to

1582
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 3: figure out your way in desperation. We all come from desperation.

1583
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 1: I think it's is not repeatable, but I think I

1584
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:58,800
Speaker 1: think that fact of course, if we if we take

1585
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 1: it into because art, Yeah, that's something that becomes a

1586
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 1: blessing for creatives. The fact that you can write out

1587
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 1: your pain therapy, the therapy for sure, and then the

1588
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:17,080
Speaker 1: ability to turn it into finances, to literally turn your

1589
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 1: desperation into finance. Not desperate, but yeah, just your pain

1590
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 1: into making some money. You know what I'm saying, You

1591
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 1: think about I mean for me, I think about, you know,

1592
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:30,560
Speaker 1: being a writer on a record like how could you for?

1593
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:35,600
Speaker 1: Mario literally wrote that about young relationships I was in.

1594
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:38,520
Speaker 1: Did I exaggerate some shiit? Absolutely?

1595
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 2: But did I feel a way?

1596
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 1: Hell yeah?

1597
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 4: And now I'm going to write a song about it

1598
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 4: and feed my family for the rest of my life

1599
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 4: off some dirty shit. I'm not angrateful, in no way

1600
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 4: being ungrateful.

1601
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 1: I just I just think, like within what we do

1602
01:22:56,720 --> 01:23:00,120
Speaker 1: bro like that is just it's a it's a well

1603
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:02,320
Speaker 1: last thing to be able, like I said, to make

1604
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:06,720
Speaker 1: some money off of some pain that we've been through

1605
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:07,160
Speaker 1: and to.

1606
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:08,800
Speaker 2: Make it way and make a way.

1607
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:14,320
Speaker 1: I think it's relatable when I'm talking about this. It's

1608
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 1: not about we get a yo. It's like that having

1609
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 1: one foot in and one foot out of doing we

1610
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 1: get to pull from that room full of people who

1611
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:24,400
Speaker 1: don't have the same talent and ways to make that

1612
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:27,280
Speaker 1: emotion turn into what we're able to make any emotion

1613
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:30,760
Speaker 1: turn into. And it's a sad thing to see. It's

1614
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 1: like I don't want for my guys who don't do

1615
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:36,080
Speaker 1: music and don't have a place to express themselves that

1616
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 1: could profit them to be feeled by these things. Yeah,

1617
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 1: that's the only thing I was saying. It's like those

1618
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:44,439
Speaker 1: don't it's not it's not for us. We're supposed to have,

1619
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 1: like faith, we're supposed to have like you know what

1620
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Happiness, peace, like the coolest things to feel.

1621
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 1: Be your life's story. Like when you look backwards, you

1622
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 1: can say I remember feeling peace throughout all of that.

1623
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 1: It gets crazy no matter what, but I could look

1624
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 1: back and say I felt this last five six years.

1625
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 1: I felt happiness, you know, I felt still, I felt

1626
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 1: I felt faithful ship that is worth it. I felt

1627
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 1: inspired or inspiring.

1628
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:14,120
Speaker 2: I felt like that was that is that is? That

1629
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 2: is your your path? Yeah?

1630
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:20,599
Speaker 3: Right, and and and aligning I guess to what your

1631
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:23,240
Speaker 3: purpose has always been, which is why you feel the

1632
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 3: way you feel. You've always been missing or looking for something,

1633
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:30,600
Speaker 3: and so that piece that you feel now is in

1634
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:32,400
Speaker 3: a sense finding it straight.

1635
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:34,800
Speaker 1: Up right, you travel the whole world to find it's

1636
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 1: your family you love the most.

1637
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 3: But then you got the flip side of it where

1638
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 3: you got you know what I'm saying, You got the

1639
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 3: niggas and pay the fools like, yeah, I feel.

1640
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:52,719
Speaker 1: You, but I love this ship, my brother, right before

1641
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 1: I got it.

1642
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:54,840
Speaker 2: I gotta do this ship.

1643
01:24:55,320 --> 01:25:00,719
Speaker 1: They still they're still gonna love you completely throwing that ship.

1644
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:07,320
Speaker 3: But your purpose was different, your path was different, you

1645
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 3: know what I mean? What your what what ended up

1646
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 3: ultimately being your sustaining fuel.

1647
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 2: Just different.

1648
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:15,640
Speaker 1: We we are.

1649
01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 3: We are different, no matter how much, no matter how

1650
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:25,400
Speaker 3: much streak we've encountered. Hm, we always find our way

1651
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:28,679
Speaker 3: back to this in some way shape.

1652
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:29,679
Speaker 2: That's a fact.

1653
01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:33,879
Speaker 1: And this room turns into a hallway to where outside

1654
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 1: of being legends in one field, there's other rooms in

1655
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:39,800
Speaker 1: the whole way. Now y'all got the best not even

1656
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:43,439
Speaker 1: R and B the best podcast out, you know what

1657
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And then there's more things and more things

1658
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 1: and more things. The whole way turned into a fucking

1659
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:50,800
Speaker 1: mall and receive them all.

1660
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:52,240
Speaker 2: I think.

1661
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 1: Airport straight up. I see it that way. I think

1662
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:03,040
Speaker 1: planning ourselves. My boy changed my life. He said, make

1663
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:05,000
Speaker 1: sure the next thing you do is planted, not buried.

1664
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:07,160
Speaker 1: And when he said that, I was like, man, I've

1665
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 1: made mad buried decisions and it didn't grow. You gotta

1666
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:13,479
Speaker 1: think it's next, yo, yo, does this sound like something

1667
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:14,519
Speaker 1: I should be doing.

1668
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 2: As a creative, as an artist?

1669
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:16,439
Speaker 5: Right?

1670
01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:22,800
Speaker 3: As an artist? What would you say? Is I want

1671
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 3: to your proudest moments? I say your proudest moment? I say,

1672
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:27,360
Speaker 3: what's one of your proudest moments?

1673
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 1: Naked by Element.

1674
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:31,479
Speaker 2: We was in.

1675
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:37,320
Speaker 1: Encore and my younger brother was living out with me,

1676
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:40,320
Speaker 1: helping me build out and plan out this family business thing.

1677
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:45,799
Speaker 1: And he came to the studios, me him engineer Element,

1678
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:51,760
Speaker 1: and the whole day was just like it was a

1679
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 1: dope thing. So in twenty fifteen, I set up something

1680
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:58,160
Speaker 1: called an FB opportunity list. When most people were starting

1681
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:01,600
Speaker 1: like at my level with a started creating like a

1682
01:27:02,200 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 1: publishing company. Instead of doing a publishing company, I created

1683
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:08,000
Speaker 1: a process called a family business opportunity list. This is

1684
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 1: where instead of owning, buying and owning a percentage of

1685
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 1: your future, I would share an opportunity with you real time.

1686
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 1: If I landed for you, I got you agreed saying

1687
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:19,599
Speaker 1: that if I share an opportunity landed on your behalf,

1688
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 1: I get set percentage of up front and back end

1689
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:25,759
Speaker 1: of publishing. So I had by this time, I probably

1690
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:27,760
Speaker 1: had fifty sixty people on this list that I could

1691
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:30,439
Speaker 1: reach out to anytime I get an opportunity. So even

1692
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:32,160
Speaker 1: if I knew what producer would be there, I'd still

1693
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:33,800
Speaker 1: reach out to the people on that list, saying, Yo,

1694
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:35,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to work with this artist. Send it just

1695
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 1: in case I'll leave her with it or whatever. So

1696
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 1: in that day, I go up there with a bunch

1697
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 1: of guitars because she signed to my boy must that

1698
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:47,360
Speaker 1: I would never be disrespectful and bring a beat to

1699
01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:51,760
Speaker 1: a Mustard session, So I brought guitars, knowing that yo,

1700
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:54,240
Speaker 1: he could add around it if we ever choose to

1701
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:57,720
Speaker 1: do this. The guitars were from a young sixteen year

1702
01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 1: old producer named Omer Fetti, who, by two I was twenty,

1703
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:02,559
Speaker 1: was the biggest producer in the world at that time.

1704
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:04,920
Speaker 1: He was my little bro. He was in tenth grade

1705
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:09,280
Speaker 1: at Calabasas High School, and I brought his beat. So

1706
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 1: she I think she had already written to all the

1707
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 1: beats that were on the pack. Mustar's in London working

1708
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:19,840
Speaker 1: for Rihanna, So I text Monster like, YO, I didn't

1709
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:22,439
Speaker 1: want to violate that's my man, that's your program. I'm

1710
01:28:22,439 --> 01:28:24,400
Speaker 1: gonna call you and ask you, YO, do you think

1711
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:26,800
Speaker 1: I could I got some guitars. We kind of stuck.

1712
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 1: She already wrote everything there. He was busy. He's like, yo, yeah,

1713
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:33,519
Speaker 1: you could pull up the guitar joints. So I go

1714
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:36,880
Speaker 1: back in there. I have a conversation with Ella. I say, yo,

1715
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:40,080
Speaker 1: if all of your exes were in a room together,

1716
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:42,720
Speaker 1: what would they all agree that they don't like about you?

1717
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:45,400
Speaker 1: And she gave me a list. I started writing down

1718
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:47,960
Speaker 1: the list of all her answers. The song comes out.

1719
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 1: Take away the big shirts, the tattoos, the sweatpants, the vans. Okay,

1720
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:52,800
Speaker 1: I don't wear no makeup, no person in my hands.

1721
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 1: These are all her answers. My rest and bitch face

1722
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:56,680
Speaker 1: is mistaken for the mean girl. But what if I

1723
01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:58,280
Speaker 1: told you there's nothing I want more in this world

1724
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:00,840
Speaker 1: and somebody who loves me naked? And I wrote the

1725
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 1: whole song about in front of my little brother, so

1726
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:05,559
Speaker 1: he got to see me kind of maneuver. It wasn't

1727
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 1: my first time working with Ella at that point. I

1728
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:11,599
Speaker 1: worked on every ep she had. But it was dope

1729
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:13,720
Speaker 1: to have my little baby brother moved out when he

1730
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 1: was eight. You see what I'm saying. It was dope

1731
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 1: to have my brother poorly with me and him in

1732
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:21,160
Speaker 1: the rooms, just witnessing it and sharing that time with me,

1733
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 1: and she cuts it. She kills it for Christmas that year, right,

1734
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:29,120
Speaker 1: I didn't buy nobody know, my siblings no gifts.

1735
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:29,960
Speaker 3: Uh.

1736
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:33,800
Speaker 1: The reason it's my favorite placement is I gave them

1737
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:37,360
Speaker 1: a percentage of since I had my percentage of with

1738
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 1: the producer that I brought in had and my my

1739
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:44,040
Speaker 1: percentage for writing the whole record, I have more than

1740
01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:47,719
Speaker 1: enough to say to my siblings, Hey, his this percentage

1741
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:51,719
Speaker 1: to split. Uh. Now, if you go look at the credits,

1742
01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:54,519
Speaker 1: all of my every one of my parents' kids got

1743
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:58,240
Speaker 1: a double platinum song that they're the right or yeah

1744
01:29:59,439 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 1: that's that's I can't beat that one.

1745
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:08,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, mister Sam Hook, not to be confused, Sam Cook,

1746
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:13,720
Speaker 3: he could be in your time, your top five R

1747
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:15,479
Speaker 3: and B singers.

1748
01:30:16,360 --> 01:30:23,400
Speaker 1: I made a list Brian McKnight anytime, anytime, Lauren.

1749
01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:29,680
Speaker 5: Hell Yeah, yeah yeahs I'm on, Robert Beyonce, Yeah yeah,

1750
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:32,680
Speaker 5: come on, part of high Chris Brown, I mean, why not,

1751
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:33,240
Speaker 5: come on?

1752
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:33,760
Speaker 1: Come on?

1753
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:34,760
Speaker 2: All right?

1754
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:38,120
Speaker 1: Then I did another list called the Lightning Round.

1755
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:42,560
Speaker 2: Got Lightning introducing podcast.

1756
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:49,680
Speaker 1: Lightning Round, Sam Cook, Marvin Stevie Wonder Boys to man

1757
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:53,519
Speaker 1: Kim Berrell, it's impossible to do five ship.

1758
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:59,080
Speaker 2: You do what you want people do that. This is

1759
01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:01,479
Speaker 2: how you distribute that publishing. I know what you're doing.

1760
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:06,479
Speaker 2: What you're doing. That was great. Top five R and

1761
01:31:06,520 --> 01:31:07,200
Speaker 2: B songs.

1762
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:14,320
Speaker 1: Stevie Wonder if It's magic m Brian McKnight six, eight twelve. Yeah,

1763
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:20,160
Speaker 1: that one got me. Uh Lauren Hill's Education. I think

1764
01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:25,360
Speaker 1: that's track thirteen on there. Chris Brown crawl Wow, and

1765
01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:27,600
Speaker 1: obviously eliminate naked.

1766
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:33,960
Speaker 3: Great song fucking writing. Geez, you know, g you gotta

1767
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:35,200
Speaker 3: you got a lightning round for this.

1768
01:31:37,080 --> 01:31:39,600
Speaker 1: Honestly, I know how you do your version of I

1769
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:43,360
Speaker 1: Can't Make You Love Me. It's a great sound, my brother.

1770
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:49,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have to other through that one. What long, long,

1771
01:31:49,479 --> 01:31:50,000
Speaker 2: night long.

1772
01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:54,839
Speaker 1: That's the work everybody know and they know the delivery.

1773
01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:55,040
Speaker 2: Bro.

1774
01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:59,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, my brother. Let's make a voltron. Let's make a

1775
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:02,840
Speaker 3: super R and B artists heard you, all right? Who

1776
01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:05,240
Speaker 3: you gonna get the vocal from the performance style, from

1777
01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:07,800
Speaker 3: the styling, the heart of the artists? And for you,

1778
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:10,280
Speaker 3: who's gonna write for this artist? Number one? Where you're

1779
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:11,639
Speaker 3: gonna get the vocal from one.

1780
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:16,880
Speaker 1: Vocal female male I'm gonna go Kells and Brandy put together.

1781
01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:28,160
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, that'd be crazy. That'd be nuts, Kells and

1782
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:29,679
Speaker 3: Brandy together nuts.

1783
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:36,840
Speaker 2: I like it. Oh, performance style.

1784
01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:44,439
Speaker 1: Female male Beyonce Chris Brown put together. You said votron.

1785
01:32:44,479 --> 01:32:45,040
Speaker 1: That's a votre?

1786
01:32:52,120 --> 01:32:52,519
Speaker 2: Crazy?

1787
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:54,360
Speaker 1: Like what you like?

1788
01:32:54,439 --> 01:32:58,719
Speaker 2: What are you doing? Styling the drip?

1789
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:05,120
Speaker 1: Rihanna Farrell, he got happy for real, R and B

1790
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:10,160
Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah you bang with.

1791
01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:13,400
Speaker 2: That, right, you're cooking.

1792
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:26,879
Speaker 1: Passion of the artists, Marvin Gay Whitney, Yep, yep.

1793
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:29,240
Speaker 2: It might be the best.

1794
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:36,280
Speaker 1: Actually created my own little push call. Who's gonna write it?

1795
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:38,400
Speaker 2: That's what that's the last one you do that for?

1796
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:39,280
Speaker 1: For you?

1797
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:42,160
Speaker 2: Yes, I bet who's writing for the artists?

1798
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:47,080
Speaker 1: Myself? Neo poo Be, James farn Lroy Money Long, baby Face,

1799
01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:52,479
Speaker 1: all in the same yoke. He's gonna do it. A

1800
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:55,960
Speaker 1: little honey in that room writing. Be happy to see it.

1801
01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:01,800
Speaker 1: Oh you named monster? Also, who produce it?

1802
01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:02,799
Speaker 2: Who produces?

1803
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:07,320
Speaker 1: Right? Mike Will made it? DJ Mustard, Oma Fetti d N,

1804
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:15,479
Speaker 1: DJ Camper. Yeah, go the album, take the artist.

1805
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:21,240
Speaker 3: That's a run, I'd say run, Yeah, Yeah, that's a

1806
01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:27,559
Speaker 3: that's a Dionne Warwick twenty years of hit records run.

1807
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:34,720
Speaker 2: No, that's a that's a deity that you created. It's

1808
01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:35,200
Speaker 2: a god.

1809
01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:38,360
Speaker 1: I had a lot of time to practice. I watch

1810
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:48,440
Speaker 1: every episode, man like every time I'm watching my structure. Structure,

1811
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:49,240
Speaker 1: that structure.

1812
01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:49,800
Speaker 2: I've said that.

1813
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:52,240
Speaker 1: That what I was about to tell you about the

1814
01:34:52,280 --> 01:34:53,759
Speaker 1: best you had, the best structure.

1815
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:59,479
Speaker 3: You too much for you, You created structure. You're also ready.

1816
01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:01,040
Speaker 3: You're ready for every motherfucking thing.

1817
01:35:01,160 --> 01:35:01,679
Speaker 2: That's what true.

1818
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:05,559
Speaker 1: Nah No, but I'm faithful for everything. It might look ready,

1819
01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:07,280
Speaker 1: but I'm not scared.

1820
01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:09,200
Speaker 2: There's there's the difference.

1821
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:13,320
Speaker 1: Right now, we have the very important part of the show.

1822
01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:16,720
Speaker 1: It's called I Ain't saying no names. We tell us

1823
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:20,800
Speaker 1: a story funny or fucked up? Are funny and fucked up?

1824
01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:25,720
Speaker 1: In the times and the journeys Sam Hook? Maybe when

1825
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:30,160
Speaker 1: he was going to you know, collect the pack. No, Nope,

1826
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:33,840
Speaker 1: maybe when you was selling the track, selling the track.

1827
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:38,800
Speaker 1: The only rule to the game, you can't say no names.

1828
01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:39,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1829
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:41,439
Speaker 1: This story ties into kind of what we was talking

1830
01:35:41,439 --> 01:35:45,360
Speaker 1: about today, Not distractions, but things. Yeah, my distractions wanting

1831
01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:48,880
Speaker 1: to impress people, wanting certain people to see me, and

1832
01:35:49,080 --> 01:35:51,040
Speaker 1: wanting to chill with girls. This story has all of

1833
01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:52,439
Speaker 1: that in it, mixed with.

1834
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:54,160
Speaker 2: How stupid I was.

1835
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:57,400
Speaker 1: So I fly to New York with at the time

1836
01:35:57,479 --> 01:36:02,280
Speaker 1: of very popular video fiction, right, and I'm more hyped

1837
01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:04,240
Speaker 1: to show her to my niggas than I am to

1838
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:04,960
Speaker 1: even hang with her.

1839
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:05,599
Speaker 2: Right.

1840
01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:10,160
Speaker 1: So we laying I put on I g that that

1841
01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:12,400
Speaker 1: I'm out there. So one of the biggest producers in

1842
01:36:12,479 --> 01:36:14,360
Speaker 1: the last fifteen years reaches out to me when he

1843
01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:16,160
Speaker 1: sees I'm in New York. He's also in New York.

1844
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:20,320
Speaker 1: He's like, yo, pull up to the studio. I said, nah, bro,

1845
01:36:20,439 --> 01:36:22,840
Speaker 1: I can't. I got so and so in town. And

1846
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:23,920
Speaker 1: I try to stumn on him.

1847
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:24,840
Speaker 2: He's like what I was like?

1848
01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:26,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, I'm about to go to this

1849
01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:29,920
Speaker 1: part of time and show off. This is corny of me,

1850
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:31,479
Speaker 1: just so you know, I think this is corny today,

1851
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:31,880
Speaker 1: but this is how.

1852
01:36:32,280 --> 01:36:33,160
Speaker 2: This is how it happened.

1853
01:36:34,479 --> 01:36:37,680
Speaker 1: So I do that day one. Day two, I'm like, nah,

1854
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:39,080
Speaker 1: but you know, I got my niggas in Jersey. He

1855
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:40,960
Speaker 1: calls me again day two to pull up to the studio.

1856
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:42,679
Speaker 1: I'm like, but you know, I got my Jersey niggas.

1857
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:45,720
Speaker 1: I got to bring it there too. So day two

1858
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:49,800
Speaker 1: he the day three. I wake up and I'm like, hey,

1859
01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:53,559
Speaker 1: so and so, Bro's gonna kill me if I don't

1860
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:56,639
Speaker 1: show up to the studio today. It's day three. I'm

1861
01:36:56,680 --> 01:36:58,200
Speaker 1: not even gonna let him call me first. I'm gonna

1862
01:36:58,200 --> 01:37:00,400
Speaker 1: call him tell him I'm on the way. So I

1863
01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:02,120
Speaker 1: go up to the studio, the studio. Can I say

1864
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:02,920
Speaker 1: names of the studios?

1865
01:37:03,560 --> 01:37:03,760
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1866
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:07,800
Speaker 1: So the studio was quiet in Manhattan. And when I

1867
01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:10,040
Speaker 1: get off the elevator, so I go by myself. When

1868
01:37:10,040 --> 01:37:12,479
Speaker 1: I get off the elevator, I see a bodyguard that

1869
01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:16,800
Speaker 1: I'm sure I've seen in met or seen in tabloids

1870
01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:19,560
Speaker 1: or scene. I know him from somewhere, but I'm not

1871
01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:21,960
Speaker 1: putting one in one together. I'm more what's more in

1872
01:37:22,040 --> 01:37:25,080
Speaker 1: my mind is feeling bad for the last two days

1873
01:37:25,120 --> 01:37:28,200
Speaker 1: and not showing up for my dog, the producer. So

1874
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:30,799
Speaker 1: I go to the back room. All of his production

1875
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:33,160
Speaker 1: team is there. I'm like, yo, where's Bro. It's like

1876
01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:35,040
Speaker 1: now he's in the main room. And so I go

1877
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:37,240
Speaker 1: in the main room. Mind you. Nobody tells me shit.

1878
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:40,160
Speaker 1: Walk in the room, I'm like, what's up there? Before

1879
01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:41,639
Speaker 1: I put a g on the gull.

1880
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:43,160
Speaker 2: Right, I see.

1881
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:51,880
Speaker 1: Top two biggest artists of all time, just sitting on

1882
01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:56,720
Speaker 1: the couch at least top two or top three, and

1883
01:37:56,840 --> 01:37:58,360
Speaker 1: then the gug came out like good.

1884
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:01,880
Speaker 3: I was like.

1885
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:09,360
Speaker 1: Working on the last and then salt to the wound.

1886
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:12,600
Speaker 1: My man, the producer, he says, hey, yo, so and

1887
01:38:12,760 --> 01:38:14,760
Speaker 1: so this is who I've been telling you about for

1888
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:20,679
Speaker 1: the last two days. I'm just like damn. Right next

1889
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:25,560
Speaker 1: to her was sitting was actually, uh the chairman of

1890
01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:28,920
Speaker 1: the publishing company that I was at that you're signed to.

1891
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:34,680
Speaker 1: And he's just sitting there like dick right, and I

1892
01:38:34,760 --> 01:38:37,800
Speaker 1: sit down. Just small, bro, I'm small, like I just

1893
01:38:38,200 --> 01:38:42,600
Speaker 1: I fucking shrunk. And my man. So she gets in

1894
01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:46,960
Speaker 1: the booth and she finishes the final vocals that they

1895
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:49,799
Speaker 1: had written in the last two days for a record

1896
01:38:49,880 --> 01:38:55,519
Speaker 1: that probably lasted as long as fuck number one on

1897
01:38:55,680 --> 01:38:58,080
Speaker 1: Billboard and then the next year it was on Super Bowl.

1898
01:38:59,040 --> 01:39:01,920
Speaker 1: And so that's my my I ain't saying no names.

1899
01:39:02,280 --> 01:39:03,400
Speaker 1: Uh story.

1900
01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:05,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1901
01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:08,599
Speaker 1: One, don't be a cornball and try to show off

1902
01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:12,479
Speaker 1: girls see your niggas. Two when opportunity, cause you can't

1903
01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:15,120
Speaker 1: let it be the truth about you, uh, that you

1904
01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:19,360
Speaker 1: ignored the ship for a distraction, for something that meant nothing,

1905
01:39:19,439 --> 01:39:22,160
Speaker 1: for something he wasn't even intentional about That's what I

1906
01:39:22,240 --> 01:39:25,560
Speaker 1: take from it. But it's hilarious when I tell you who.

1907
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:28,880
Speaker 2: Was there and what happened. Oh man, yeah, fuck.

1908
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:34,519
Speaker 1: That's funny and fucked up, right, Man, it ain't that

1909
01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:44,040
Speaker 1: funny us on some funny shit. God, that same person,

1910
01:39:44,120 --> 01:39:48,320
Speaker 1: that same producer called me in on another mega artist,

1911
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:51,680
Speaker 1: and that time I fucking listened and I ended up

1912
01:39:51,720 --> 01:39:54,760
Speaker 1: on too on the album that's probably like seven million

1913
01:39:54,840 --> 01:39:55,400
Speaker 1: sold right now?

1914
01:39:55,680 --> 01:39:56,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, good good?

1915
01:39:57,160 --> 01:39:59,320
Speaker 1: But I could have been on both, if that makes

1916
01:39:59,400 --> 01:40:06,479
Speaker 1: it feel better, can't I was a dick, straight Sam.

1917
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:09,559
Speaker 1: I hope there worth.

1918
01:40:12,200 --> 01:40:13,800
Speaker 2: I hope you can still tap in with that.

1919
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:22,559
Speaker 1: From think I'm just outside. I retired that.

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Speaker 2: I'm not talking about you. She owed you that.

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Speaker 3: People keept you away from that, my God saying man,

1922
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Speaker 3: you you you are a brother that goes without saying.

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Speaker 2: But your talent, your hustle speaks for yourself. Appreciate and

1924
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Speaker 2: I think you know.

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Speaker 3: The beauty in this conversation man, and people getting to

1926
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Speaker 3: know and understand more about your makeup. You know those

1927
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Speaker 3: things you said at the end, you know, really finding

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Speaker 3: the value in that relationship with God and your family

1929
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Speaker 3: like that, that that is a foundational That is a

1930
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Speaker 3: foundational tool that if you don't if you don't have

1931
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Speaker 3: something like that to hold on to, especially in this

1932
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Speaker 3: place that we're in, you'll find yourself flailing in so

1933
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Speaker 3: many different directions.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 3: And you know, as we talk to the people who

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Speaker 3: are listening and the people who are aspiring and inspired

1937
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Speaker 3: by you, I pray they really heard that, because that

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Speaker 3: was that was That's incredible. Yeah, that's incredible that that

1939
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Speaker 3: that grid and that checklist and that being intentional about

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Speaker 3: your purpose.

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Speaker 2: Man. Can't beat that. Man, I appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: You can't beat that. So I appreciate that more than

1943
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Speaker 3: anything about you. I know you're talented. I know you

1944
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Speaker 3: can you can write, you can write a hit in

1945
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Speaker 3: twelve minutes.

1946
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Speaker 2: And I got all that. I got that.

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Speaker 3: But the intentionality, uh, in terms of your relationship with

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Speaker 3: the creator and your relationship with your family.

1949
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Speaker 2: Man, that's the goal.

1950
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Speaker 1: That's my biggest assets right there.

1951
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Speaker 2: That's that's the biggest asset.

1952
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Speaker 3: My name is Tank Man, I'm Valentine, and thank you,

1953
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Speaker 3: thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you very much.

1954
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Speaker 1: About to be some brown paper bags coming in.

1955
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Speaker 3: I want some of them too. I'll take up back

1956
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Speaker 3: we'll be on that opportunity. Sam My name is and

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Speaker 3: this is the Harmy Money Podcast, the authority on all

1958
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Speaker 3: things R and B. And this has not only been

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Speaker 3: a lesson in music, this has been a lesson in life.

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Speaker 2: Man with our brother. This is Sam.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Appreciate