1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you should Know 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: from House Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, and welcome to 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with me as always is 5 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: one Charles W. Chuck Bryant. He's a good guy. Which 6 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: one are we doing? Oh? You're doing privacy. That's how 7 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: Lucy played here people Lucy goosey sometimes. How you doing great? 8 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: How are you? I'm good. I think we're both pretty 9 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: pumped for these two subjects today. Yeah, mainly I'm pumped 10 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: about putting out a decent episode for once once in 11 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: your life. I hope we do. I probably just chink this, 12 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna overthink it. No, no, no, no, this 13 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: is great. It's gold. Here we go there, Chuck. Yes, 14 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: have you ever heard of something called death Switch? Is 15 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: it a movie? Nope? Was it a band? No? Should be? 16 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 1: I think kill switch is a band, uh and a thing, 17 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: maybe even a fail safe um. But death switch is 18 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: a service, an Internet service that you or I or 19 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: any schmo with even a dial up connection can go 20 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: uh get Okay. There's a free version of it where 21 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 1: you can insert one email address in one message, and 22 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: then there's a premium version where you can do up 23 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: to thirty email addresses and all this other stuff. But 24 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: the point of it is this, you set up all 25 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: the stuff you want to say to people after you're dead. 26 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: Whether it's like, you know, see you in hell or heaven? Yeah, 27 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: well yeah, I guess it depends on your disposition or 28 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: your bent um or you know, I love you, just 29 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: wanted to tell you one last time, or freaking you 30 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: out right that think, yeah, this is I know what 31 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: you did that kind of thing. Um. And you know, 32 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: with the premium service you can attach things like movies 33 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: and things like that, so you can be like, hey, 34 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: here's one last bootleg. I know you always like my 35 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: pirated movies, so here's one more, you know, but like right, 36 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:23,839 Speaker 1: and you would have it sit to me every day 37 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: for the next years. Right, Well, I think it just 38 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: goes out once. But um, the point is you you 39 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: you create all these emails and then Death's which sits 40 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: on them for you secured like they're secured, and then um, 41 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 1: on a fixed schedule, they send you an email saying, hey, 42 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: click this link and put in your password, like basically, 43 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: are you still alive? Exactly UM, And if you don't answer, 44 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: it does it again and again and again, and then 45 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: you know, there's a set amount of times where it 46 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: starts to really kind of pepper you, like, hey man, 47 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: we're about to like, you know, the big yeah that 48 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: that your boss is gonna get that email if you 49 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 1: don't do this, And then it goes, Okay, you're dead. 50 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: You're either dead or you're in a coma, or you're 51 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: just you're critically incapacitated, can't even ask for a computer. Um, 52 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: And here you go and it sends out your emails 53 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: for you, which is pretty cool. And I think it's 54 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: cool that everyone, anyone gets one free message from this company. 55 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: You can do one email, one email address, with one message, 56 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: no attachments or whatever, for free at death switch dot com, 57 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: which which I owe no shares for a stake or 58 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: any kind of financial interest, hope not. How much is 59 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: the premium service? I don't know what am I like? 60 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: Your am I? Your Google? You know, let me google 61 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: that for you. So the point is, um, death switch 62 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: is kind of the service that straddles the line of 63 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: what we're talking about today, which is privacy after death, 64 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: because they maintain your privacy while you're still alive, and 65 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: then after you're dead, the whole point is to go 66 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: blab whatever you want to blab right for the very 67 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: least after you don't return their email. But the presence 68 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: of death switch and the whole service that provides actually 69 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: falls squarely on one side of Um. What's kind of 70 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: a pretty big, uh moral philosophical, ethical discussion I'm finding 71 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 1: after researching this, and that is whether or not you 72 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: do have any right to privacy after you're debt um? 73 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: And I thought this was a pretty good this is 74 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: it was the grabster who wrote this article, so of 75 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: course it's quality. He should get paid extra for this. Yeah, 76 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: we should at least get to meet him. Yeah. Now 77 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: I emailed him a while back and was I mean 78 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: early on it was like, hey, that's right, he leave 79 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: me alone. Who are you pod? What? Yeah? Um, so 80 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: the grabster wrote this article, you know it's quality. Um 81 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: and uh. He makes a really good point right out 82 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: of the gate, like to understand whether or not we 83 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: have any privacy right after we're dead, Let's first investigate 84 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: the privacy rights we have when we're alive. Good way 85 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: to go about it. And they are both at once 86 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: sweeping and attenuous. That's a good way to put it. Thanks. Well, Uh, 87 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: the Constitution, if you're going to talk rights of American 88 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: citizens at least no better place to start. Yeah, because 89 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: it says in the Constitution everyone has the right to privacy. No, 90 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: it does not, doesn't say that in that document or 91 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: the Bill of Rights. But the Supreme Court over the 92 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: years has interpreted the Constitution in such a way that 93 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: it in many cases does provide a right to privacy, 94 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: based on largely Ninth Amendment, which is good. Ninth Amendment 95 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: says that there's probably rights that the framers didn't think of. Yeah, 96 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: pretty broad. Yeah. Fourth Amendment of course, unlawful search and 97 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: seizure my favorite, And the fourteenth Amendment, which is that 98 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: the Feds can't deprive you of life or liberty or property, buddy, right, 99 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: And in the interpretation of liberty, privacy is a major 100 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 1: aspect of that. Sure. So this has played out, um, 101 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: several times. Anything that's not in the Constitution that can 102 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: be challenged means it's up to the Supreme Court to 103 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: decide what's what, and they have uh, generally sided with 104 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: the rights of the individual to privacy time and time again. Um, 105 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: the government has had the back of its hands smacked 106 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: when it's tried to say, hey, parents, you have to 107 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: do this with your kids education. You can't homeschool them, hippie, 108 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: you need to put them in public schools so we 109 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: can teach them exactly what we want. In the Supreme 110 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,559 Speaker 1: Court side, no no no. Uh. They also um said, 111 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: by the way, you also can't outlaw sodomy between two 112 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: consenting adults. Um. Do you remember that time when there 113 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: was like like sodomy was illegal. Yeah, we were alive 114 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: and sentient. Yeah, Griswold, I'm sorry. Uh. Lawrence v. Texas 115 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: two thousand three, Yes, I know, that's pretty recent. That 116 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: was John Lawrence and Tyrone Gardner were lovers, lovers boyfriend, boyfriend, 117 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: boyfriend and boyfriend. They were committing an active coitus love 118 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: making in the privacy of their own home in the 119 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: bedroom even and it was consentual. It's a big one too, 120 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: very much consensual and uh in a sheriff's deputy uh 121 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: entered the apartment with his weapon drawn because a call 122 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: had been made by their neighbor saying that there was 123 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: someone waving a gun and there was domestic dispute going on. 124 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: So the sheriff goes in there see these two guys 125 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: doing it, and they're like, you're under arrest for doing that. 126 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: And as it comes out later the neighbor he's like, 127 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: do you see this phallic symbol holding in my hand? 128 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: It turns out the name where that had reported this, 129 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,679 Speaker 1: uh was previously in a relationship with one of those dudes. 130 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: It was a false uh false not charge, but what 131 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: do you call it? A false report? And he was 132 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: convicted of fifteen days in jail for making that call. 133 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: Can you believe petty jealousy ended up changing the law 134 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: under the Supreme plan? That is crazy, But they basically 135 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: went to the Supreme Court and in a six three 136 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: ruling they said, you know what, dudes, you can do 137 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,559 Speaker 1: that deed in your bedroom there. Good for you, Chuck, 138 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: good for Texas, Good for Texas, good for the gay 139 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,599 Speaker 1: community as well. Sure there's this great Um, did you 140 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: ever read any Akbar and Jeff comics Matt Greening stuff 141 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: from like Life as Hell? Uh, a New Life as Hell? 142 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: I've never heard of the other? Was that part of 143 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: that part of his to the two guys who looked 144 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: like twins who both wore feathers, Oh yeah, Yeah, there 145 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 1: was one where it was like they were both sitting 146 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 1: on the couch together and it said like that they 147 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: were watching the news and it said like from the TV, uh, 148 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: the sodomy has been outlawed, and like they move apart 149 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: on the couch and then they moved back together and 150 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: they go, damn the law. The first case you mentioned, though, 151 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: wash was Meyer versus Nebraska, and that was in nineteen twenty. 152 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: A teacher was teaching German to a student and they 153 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: busted him and arrested him. They're like, you're not teaching 154 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: anyone German. You need to be teaching them freedom language 155 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: exactly a k a American. But he won. And then 156 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: in Connecticut, UH, two people, UH Planned Parenthood director and 157 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: a physician opened a birth control clinic and they were 158 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: arrested for selling contraceptives. But that was overturned, right, so 159 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: they're siding with the people. So those are those are 160 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: cases of privacy, you know, basically based on what you 161 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: do in in your own home or what you do 162 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: in your own educational system. UM business not so much 163 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: because you can't you know, you can't refuse the right. 164 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: You can't refuse service to somebody based on like their 165 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: skin color anything. Yeah, but you can sell contraceptives minute, 166 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: you totally can. You can sell contraceptives to anybody you want. Um. 167 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: But there's there's those are those are all based on 168 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: the idea that it's what you're doing in your own home, 169 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: it's your own private business, that kind of thing, right. Um, 170 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: But there's actually an act. There's a federal act that 171 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 1: says you have privacy, especially when it comes to government agencies. 172 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: And that's the Federal Privacy Act, appropriately named of nineteen 173 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: seventy four that came about at the time when people 174 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: were just starting to figure out what computers are capable of. 175 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: They're like, wow, those punch cards can do this, and uh, 176 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 1: they the public realize that, wait, there's databases now, and 177 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: you don't have to walk all the way across Washington, 178 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: d C. To get my file, which means you're not 179 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: gonna do that, So I'm safe. Now, you can cross 180 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: reference things from agency to agency, and my information is 181 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: just up for grabs way more than it ever was before. 182 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 1: So in response, the federal government past the Federal Privacy 183 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 1: Act of nineteen seventy for which basically says you can 184 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: go up to the E p A. And be like, hey, Feds, 185 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: I want to see my file and they have to 186 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: show it to you. What's interesting is it certainly doesn't 187 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: cover them getting the information for that file. No, it 188 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: just covers the dissemination of that information. And if you 189 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 1: walked up to the FBI and said, hey, fed, let 190 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: me see what you got on me? Yeah, sure, sure, 191 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: come come in in. Can we get you some coffee? 192 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: Like de Niro And when Lauren Braco comes to him 193 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: at the end, he's like, no, no no, just a little 194 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: further right there, right, see that get you for um? Yeah, 195 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: if the FBI ever offers you a fur, just just 196 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:44,599 Speaker 1: walk away if you can't. Um. So that was a 197 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: that was a pretty landmark act um. And that's definitely 198 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,599 Speaker 1: one of the in addition to the Supreme Court's interpretation 199 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: of the Constitution. It's it forms a pillar. The other 200 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: pillar UM, strangely enough, came out of the Clinton years. Uh, 201 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: and it is the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act HIPPO, 202 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: which you might be familiar with from filling out like 203 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: doctor's forms and stuff. Basically, it's saying like here's the 204 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 1: HIPPO waiver, not portability, No portability, be weird. Because then 205 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: you could drink it. You can't drink an act. Sorry. 206 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: Uh yeah. And that that basically covers medical information, things 207 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: that like your doctor or your insurance provider can can 208 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: disseminate about you. Right. Um. And so you put all 209 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: that together and you have a pretty reasonable right to 210 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: privacy and at the very least to see what the 211 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: Feds have on you, depending on whether their law enforcement 212 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: or not. So if you are alive, these are the 213 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: rights that are afforded to alive and a member of America, 214 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: American family right a card carrying remember the moment you 215 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: die though, that that Privacy Act, the Federal Privacy Act 216 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: in four is like you're dead to me. You no 217 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: longer are. You have no rights whatsoever under my umbrella. Ella. Ella. 218 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: That is true, explicitly says so hippa is the opposite. 219 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: It actually extends those rights very plainly to your family 220 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: and says, you know what your family can uh is 221 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: now in charge of this, and it's completely transferred. The 222 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: permission for information sharing is given completely to them. Right. 223 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: The the um the whole aspect of well, it's your state, 224 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: it's part of your state. Uh. The the basically the 225 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: right to say Yeah, that person can have access to 226 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: this medical and for that medical information whatever that passes 227 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: to the survivor. So HIPPA is real strict federal privacy. 228 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: It's like you're dead. HIPPA is like, yeah, you'll live 229 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: forever it can. It's called descendant or there's a there's 230 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: a um descendency of the right. It's a descendible right. 231 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. And so too is something called the right 232 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 1: of publicity. Yeah, this was pretty interesting. Yeah. So there's 233 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: this thing that came out of the nineteen fifties when 234 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: um baseball stars uh started saying like, hey, wait a minute, man, 235 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: I I'm not that hip with this guy coming out 236 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: and taking my picture and you know, setting it on 237 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 1: tops and then tops making money. I should be able 238 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: to make some money. That's my picture. And everybody went, 239 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: but these are just baseball cards. Yeah yeah, And then 240 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: afterwards somebody, you know, one of the baseball players, said no, 241 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: they're not there's more to it, and everybody said, okay, 242 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: maybe you're right. We give in baseball star. So that 243 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: out of that came the idea of the right to publicity, 244 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: which is a celebrity somebody who can make money off 245 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: of their image, their likeness, their identity down to you 246 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: or you down to Like Einstein's identity is owned um 247 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: actually by the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and willed it 248 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: to him. And most people's identities are managed by their state. 249 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: And when you're talking about famous folks, right, there's also 250 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: a company called um CMG Worldwide out of Indiana, unbelievable. 251 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: Their their business model is collecting right to publicity, like 252 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: drying them off of estates or managing them for states. 253 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: But basically their their thing is licensing the identity of 254 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: a dead person. So, um, do you remember wasn't it 255 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: like a course commercial or whatever? And John Wayne was 256 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: in it? Uh? I remember that? Might I sort of 257 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: remember that? But I definitely remember Fred Astair was in 258 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: a Dirt Devil, Yeah commercial like dancing with the Broom. 259 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: Right now, if he or the Broom became in the 260 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: Dirt Devil, I think that was the deal right now, 261 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: his if his family exercises the right to publicity of 262 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: his estate, um, their devil paid to use his likeness. Yeah, 263 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: I wish I would have remembered to look that up. 264 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: I can't remember which way that one went because there 265 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: was a stink over it. Well, the thing is is 266 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: likely even if you are big on privacy right, um, 267 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: your right to publicity is tack si bowl. So even 268 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: if Fred's Fredis stairs Air said no, he wanted to 269 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: rest in peace, he didn't want to do any more dancing, 270 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: especially now c G I dance, and he just wanted 271 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: to be dead, they likely did charge for that rather 272 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: than just granting permission, because they have to pay taxes 273 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: on the right to publicity whether they use it or not. 274 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: Do they figure that, I don't know. I think that 275 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: might have been gene Kelly. Actually, come to think of it, No, 276 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: I think it was Fredi Stair. I'm picturing gene Kelly. Huh, Well, 277 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: you know, will eventually know. Maybe gene Kelly was the broom. Ye, 278 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: gene Kelly was always the broom to Fredis Stair. It's 279 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: not fair. Uh. It varies And actually in most of 280 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: the world the right of publicity does in at death, 281 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: but in the US it's a state law issue, and 282 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: um New York it terminates at death. But other states 283 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: like Tennessee, Washington, and Indiana, which governed the rights of 284 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: Elvis Presley, Jimi Hendrix, and CMG is based out of 285 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: India and a probably no accident. They say the control 286 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: of the identity is secured for a term from ranges 287 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: from like a hundred years to forever, right, which is 288 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 1: really interesting. And like we said, it's the person's image, 289 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,360 Speaker 1: it's their likeness, it's their identity. And like the Hebrew 290 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 1: University of Jerusalem sued um some costume maker for creating 291 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: out a wig and a mustache that was, you know, 292 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: based on Einstein. Well did they call it the Einstein though? 293 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: Probably because I went wig shopping the other night? I 294 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,959 Speaker 1: really did for l c POS playing a come as 295 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: your Favorite rock Star party, so we're like, well we 296 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: gotta be dressed up as well. So we went wig 297 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: shopping and they had that's where And this was before 298 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: we knew we were even doing this podcast. They had 299 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: wigs that were clearly people living in dead but they 300 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: were just named something different right now, like shock Jock 301 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: was the Howard Stern. They had an Amy winehouse one 302 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: called the rehab wig. She see now her family probably 303 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: just doesn't aware of that. I'm sure they would have 304 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 1: a lawsuit on their hands. They could sue an American 305 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: cord if it's an American company. Um, see if you 306 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: can guess top hat rocker Edgar Winner. Ah, that's good 307 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: slash who slash, of course. But what was funny was 308 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: among this wall of wigs of thinly veiled names, that 309 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: was a snooky wig and it was snooky yeah, with 310 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: her face on it. So she was like, sure, I'll 311 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: take money make a wig. Yeah, well, yeah, wouldn't you 312 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: if you were snooky? I'd do it if I was chuck. Um. 313 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: So that's the right right to publicity. That and the 314 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: hip of protection are descendable rights. So it's passed along. 315 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: And Einstein, his estate makes seventy six million dollars a year. 316 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: They did in the last five million, five years, oh 317 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: five combined. Yeah, but that's that's a lot. That's an yeah, 318 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: and that's I'm Stein, and like I knew Elvis and 319 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: Hendricks and those guys, and like, actually Marilyn Monrose in 320 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: the public domain energy, Yes she is. And there's a 321 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 1: there was a fight over that the California tried to 322 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: um basically pass like a lover boy law. It just 323 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: made up that term, but it makes sense. Where they 324 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,959 Speaker 1: said that everyone has to work for the weekend, everyone 325 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 1: has to wear bandanas. Um, where they said, like Marilyn 326 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: Monrose estate is part of the right to publicity as 327 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: a descendable UM thing. Uh, And I guess somebody didn't 328 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: want that that way, and they went to the trouble 329 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 1: approving that. Um. She was a resident of New York 330 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: at the time of death, so t s well. And 331 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 1: it's it's fortuitous that you mentioned Monroe, or maybe I did, 332 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: because autopsy photos come into play here, and her death 333 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: photos arguably among the sexiest death photos of all time. 334 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: Probably autopsy photos of generally and murder scene photos have 335 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: been generally protect did Ah from release When someone submits 336 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: for the Freedom of Information Act and says, hey, we 337 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: want to see these photos, and the courts have generally 338 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,439 Speaker 1: says no, you know what, you can't right well with 339 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: Freedom of Information Act, that's this thing, that's this um 340 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: spearhead into the heart of hip and the Freedom of 341 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: Privacy Act because it's this catch twenty two. It's like 342 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 1: the government is tasked with if they're going to gather 343 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 1: information on you and keep it, they have to protect it. 344 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 1: It's your privacy. But government also has to be transparent. 345 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 1: And somebody asks about that your information, the government has 346 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: to give it to them under a Freedom of Information Act, 347 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 1: unless again, if it has to do with law enforcement, 348 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: they're just gonna turn you down out right. But on 349 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: a case by case basis, it's usually decided whether or 350 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: not they're gonna grant it, and a lot of times 351 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 1: they kick it to the courts and let the courts decide, 352 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: And there have been some big ones. Usually the court 353 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: rules in favor of rules against the freedom of information, 354 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: especially when they feels like there's going to be harm 355 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: to the family. Yeah, if it's harmless or if it's 356 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: been like many many years, they might allow it. But uh, 357 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: the one that that the Grabster mentions in here was 358 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 1: the Vincent Foster case, who was the attorney who killed 359 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: himself in nine who worked for the Clintons or the 360 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: Clinton administration, And uh, he was no, he was I 361 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: think a Whitewater guy too. He was like the Clintons 362 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,959 Speaker 1: for a while. Well, when he committed suicide, there were 363 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 1: photographs of the scene and they were not made public. 364 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: So conspiracy people filed an fo I a whatever report 365 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: you have to fill out, and said we want to 366 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: see these photos, and they said no. Yeah. Apparently the 367 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 1: guy still managed to get four polaroids released, which was 368 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: an effort. Yeah, um cold for him. If you want 369 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: to spend you're well a full day at least, just 370 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: go ahead and type in Vince Foster. I'm sure click 371 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:05,719 Speaker 1: on what really happened? Dot com, um thing on it. 372 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: It's it's extensive, exhaustive, I'm sure um so, yeah, they'll Earnhardt. 373 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: More recently, was you know he crashed and killed, was 374 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 1: killed and at the dayton of five. Did you r here? 375 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 1: He apparently died like flipping off the guy who like, 376 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: uh really who spun him out? Yeah, that's what I heard. 377 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: It's a nice way to go out at last. Screw you, buddy. 378 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: Uh they uh. Florida courts rejected um the plea to 379 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: release those photos in the newspaper and the Supreme Court 380 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: they said, you know what, we'ren't even gonna entertain this case. 381 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: Bye bye. Yeah, Florida's Florida passed a law, another lover 382 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: boy law, for to prevent these these photos from being released. 383 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: That's a that's a lover boy law. I was silent 384 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 1: because I was scanning my prank for another lover boy line, 385 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: but I couldn't make it one, um chuck. Even more 386 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 1: recent than Dale Earnhardt's death, that whole kfuffle over his 387 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: death photos. UM, well, there's been a couple, but one 388 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: was the News of the World phone hacking scandal. I 389 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: don't know about that one. Okay, let me let me 390 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: enlighten you to the despicable nous of what News of 391 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: the World was capable of. Anne was doing for a while. 392 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: The world is UM. It's a it's not weekly world news. Yeah, 393 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: r I p that that was. It's not UM, it's 394 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 1: a news Core, which is Rupert Murdoch owned UM paper 395 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: that's now under It was headed by a woman named 396 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: Rebecca Brooks and she's now gone. As a matter of fact, 397 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: News of the World is gone because of all this. 398 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: They were hacking, like the voicemail accounts of like everybody, 399 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: the royals, celebrities. But the one that was really just 400 00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 1: really awful, UM was the voicemail of a third ten 401 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: year old girl named Millie Dowler who in two thousand 402 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: two went missing. While she was missing, this is a big, 403 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,719 Speaker 1: big news in England. UM, News of the World had 404 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: some private detective hack her voicemail and we're listening to 405 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,239 Speaker 1: her voicemail messages and the mailbox was full, so they 406 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 1: started deleting them so that people could leave more if 407 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: if possible, so they could hack more in report on more. 408 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 1: What were they trying to get? Just any information they 409 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: possibly could because the girl was still missing. She was 410 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: dead at the time, but now trying to get clues. 411 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: They were trying to get more leads. A full mailbox 412 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: and a dead girl who's not getting her mail isn't 413 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: going to help anybody as far as news of the 414 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: world was going. So they just deleted some after they 415 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: listened and written stories on them, trying to get news 416 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,360 Speaker 1: story leads, not all stories like. No one had any 417 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: idea they were doing this, so the girl's parents thought 418 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: she was still alive and was deleting her email or 419 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 1: her voicemail. Um, yeah, so it was a very big deal. 420 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 1: It also threw off the cops too, that they hindered 421 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 1: the investigation. So everybody who has anything to do with 422 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: that has now been executed by the state in Great Britain. 423 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: That brings up a good point though, is this stuff 424 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: a crime and uh exhort It depends on the law. Um, 425 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: Hippa actually does enforce criminal penalties if you knowingly share 426 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: medical information like selling Madonna's paps Mere for instance. You 427 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: could be put in jail for that. I almost just 428 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: did a spit take a genuine one that happened. No, 429 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: it was in it was in the movie Slacker. Okay man, 430 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: that was close. But a bet stuff like that does 431 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: happen for sure, um more often than not, though they'll 432 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 1: there will be civil penalties instead of criminal ones, and 433 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: you won't be going to jail. But you can slander 434 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: someone after death, you can, well, depending on what state 435 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: you're in, they don't call it slander. You can what 436 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: you want after death. It's it's well, there's anti defamation 437 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 1: laws in like California is one state that was the 438 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: only state I could find. In most states it's like, no, 439 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 1: you can say whatever you want about somebody after they 440 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: they've died. But there's something of a movement toward getting 441 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: anti defamation laws in place for the deceased. And based 442 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 1: on this philosophical debate like can you harm a dead person? 443 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 1: What do you think? What's your opinion? Uh, I don't know. 444 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: It seems like it would be a nice thing for 445 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: your privacy rights to extend after death, but I mean 446 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 1: in the in the name of respecting the dead right, 447 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,679 Speaker 1: But so in the US, you've noticed, like most of 448 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: the court cases were they were looking out for the family, 449 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: the survivors. This this is about like the person, the individual. 450 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: Even people who like you don't know any of the survivors. 451 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: They lived long enough ago that no one has any idea. 452 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: But the whole basis of it is that like through 453 00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: our lifetime, through our life's work, our accomplishments are reputes nations, 454 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: we build this thing that's called an identity, a legacy, 455 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,239 Speaker 1: and it survives us after death. And that's what can 456 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 1: be defamed. And that's how you can harm a dead person, 457 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 1: if you believe that you can harm a dead person. 458 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 1: And so that's kind of the basis of the drive 459 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: to get people on board, like, hey, let's all just 460 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: be nice about dead people. But well, and in the day, 461 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: in this day and age of the electronic life, your emails, 462 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: your Facebook account, like it brings up a whole different 463 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: can actually, can I tell you a really really sad, 464 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: tragic story. Always speaking of Facebook, I found a old 465 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: friend from twenty five years ago on Facebook by chance, 466 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I haven't thought of her 467 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: in literally twenty five years. She looks great, how she 468 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: doing center her friend request, blah blah blah. I was 469 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: kind of on her Facebook page and then I saw 470 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: a photo of her with with her kid that said 471 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: and someone said, like a very bitter sweet to look 472 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,479 Speaker 1: at this, And I thought, oh, man, I guess her 473 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: kid must have passed away. That's awful. Scrolled down a 474 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 1: little more. She had passed away, like two weeks previous. 475 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: This girl of like in the middle of the night 476 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 1: passed away. I was on her face, had already sent 477 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: the friend request, and I was like, oh my god. 478 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: And for some reason it just stuck with me for 479 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 1: a few days. It was I haven't seen her in 480 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 1: that long, but I was just like, all of a sudden, 481 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 1: there's his Facebook page with pictures everywhere, and hey, this 482 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: was me last week and now I'm not here. And 483 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: then you know, her kids had posted, you know, like 484 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: they kind of took over her account, where people were 485 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: leaving memorial messages and things like that. So and they 486 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: bring up in the article. You know, typically ninety days 487 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: after an inactive account, they'll shut it down. I don't 488 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: know if that's Facebook specific, but um well, Facebook apparently 489 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: has a policy in place where if you can prove 490 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: your family member or something like that, they will revert 491 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: control of it to you to basically basically becomes memorial page. Like, um, yeah, 492 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: you mean his friends with d J A M on 493 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: Facebook for some reason. Yeah, so, and she still is 494 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: and his page is now like a memorial page. People 495 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: post on it like a couple of times a day 496 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: every day. Still well, and I think that's what Facebook 497 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: is trying to create here with their whole new system 498 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: that's rolling out, is like, this is your life, yes, 499 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: and we own it. Yeah. Um. If you want to 500 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: know more about basically what we're talking about is whether 501 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: or not you leave a digital legacy afterwards. 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And since I said search bar, 512 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: that means, of course, it's time for a listener mail. Josh, 513 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this something you called it, which is 514 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: cult busters. Oh yeah, this is good. I didn't call 515 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: it that the author did. I was at in the 516 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: subject on Yeah. Hey, guys, have a great story for you. 517 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: About fifteen years ago, my uncle's wife passed away from cancer. 518 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: He became disillusioned with his religion. At the time. He 519 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: had a coworker who, in an effort to help him 520 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: cope with his grief and confusion, invited him to attend 521 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: his church. Well, it turned out to be a cult, 522 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: and his coworker was a recruiter. It wasn't exactly a 523 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: destructive cult in terms of violence. There were no drugs 524 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: to get them closer to aliens, no suicides, no murders, etcetera. Uh, 525 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: they're pretty peaceful, polygamous group, following some basic Judaeo Christian principles. 526 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: They didn't all live on the ranch a ranch, but 527 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: they did all live in the same town. When my 528 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: uncle joined, the prophet of the cult gave him a 529 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: wife pretty nice welcome, it's a welcome gift, and put 530 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: him to work. My uncle soon came to be one 531 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: of the prophet's top men. Our family knew that he 532 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: was given several wives, but in his communications with us, 533 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: he would only ever tell us about his first wife 534 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: and his children by her. Fast forward to a few 535 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: months ago. My uncle's daughter is fourteen years old. The 536 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: prophet of the cult ordered his daughter, my cousin, to 537 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: be married to another man in the group. My uncle, 538 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: for the first time in a long time, thinks like 539 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: a normal person and becomes uncomfortable with the situation. He 540 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: had never once questioned what he had been told. He 541 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: never even considered that he was part of a cult. 542 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: He just considered it a small religion. He really struggled 543 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: with this after that. He consumed as much as he 544 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: could from that point about cults in groups like his, 545 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: and among that he actually listened to your very podcast 546 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,479 Speaker 1: about cults. That is awesomely awesome. He realized that he 547 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: was in the very wrong and he had to get out. 548 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,479 Speaker 1: Since he was trusted and respected by many other members, 549 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: he was able to convince many other higher ups and 550 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: lay members that they were also in a bad cult 551 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: and that they had to get out. My uncle and 552 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: many of the others were excommunicated, and the cult now 553 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: numbers the cults numbers now are very much dwindling. So 554 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: I would like to thank you personally for your involvement 555 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: in my uncle's return to real life. I'm sure he 556 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: still would have left the cult, but the extra nudge 557 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: of your podcast was sure to help him along. And 558 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: that is from Anonymous. That is amazing. How about that 559 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: so help busting? Yeah, that was really something else. I mean, 560 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: I'm not one to begrudge anybody their religious beliefs or 561 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 1: anything like that, but if we can provide information that 562 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: helps people come to a decision they're comfortable with, I'm 563 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: proud of that done. Yeah, So thank you Anonymous for 564 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: that letter, that very excellent letter. That Uh wow, I 565 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: mean that's like we should have that's legit t shirts 566 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: or something like that. Helpbusters. Yeah. Um, if you have 567 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: a story about how the the podcast stuff you should 568 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: know has helped your life, we want to hear it 569 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: or harmed it. I want it's a good one, just 570 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: just not that, not how it's affected it in no 571 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: way whatsoever, And we don't want to hear about that. Um, 572 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: you can tweet that to us in a hundred forty 573 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: characters are less two s y SK podcast. 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