WEBVTT - Short Stuff: Centralia Coal Fire

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, you welcome to the short stuff. I'm Josh. There's Chuck.

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<v Speaker 1>We're Josh where Juck doesn't matter. And this is stuff

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<v Speaker 1>you should know? Is it short stuff? Yeah? Short stuff

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<v Speaker 1>you should know. Man, my mind, Chuck, You're right. No, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's continue. Okay, we're talking about Centralia. Yeah, which we've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about before. I don't know if it was in

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<v Speaker 1>an Abandoned Places episode or I think that I don't

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<v Speaker 1>remember what else we would have talked about it in.

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<v Speaker 1>But we have definitely talked about it. Yeah, unless we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about Cole maybe, but um that that's the then

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<v Speaker 1>diagram of abandoned places and coal uh Sits Centralia, Pennsylvania,

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<v Speaker 1>the very smallest municipality in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, and

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<v Speaker 1>it is a former mining community a couple of hours

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<v Speaker 1>northwest of phil Lee. That there was always a small town,

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<v Speaker 1>a small mining town it. I think it only had

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<v Speaker 1>about four hundred people there in the early nineteen sixties,

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<v Speaker 1>but now there are less than ten people for one

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<v Speaker 1>very scary reason. And what is that. Well, the scary

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<v Speaker 1>reason is that when you're walking around Centralia, the earth

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<v Speaker 1>may open up and swallow you into a fiery pit

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<v Speaker 1>at any given moment without anyone. Yeah, how's that good

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<v Speaker 1>way to say it? Thank you? Uh yeah, So what's

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<v Speaker 1>what happened, Well, we don't know exactly what happened. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a few different versions of this story that will go

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<v Speaker 1>over in a second, but the end result of each

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<v Speaker 1>of these stories is that in nineteen sixty two, there

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<v Speaker 1>is uh still burning from that year a coal seam

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<v Speaker 1>fire literally coal on fire underground under Centralia in the

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<v Speaker 1>surrounding area of Centralia, Pennsylvania, right, which is I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a very alarming thing because I think any person

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<v Speaker 1>who hears that says, well, how would you put one

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<v Speaker 1>of those out? And the answer to that is, by

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<v Speaker 1>the time it's been burning for seventy years, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>burns itself out. And then an average reasonable person would

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<v Speaker 1>be like, wait, wait, well there's a lot of coal underground.

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<v Speaker 1>Can it just keep burning like indefinitely? And the answer

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<v Speaker 1>to that reasonable person is absolutely so. Uh. These seams

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<v Speaker 1>um are naturally occurring coal deposits. They're called seams in

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<v Speaker 1>the industry. Uh. They're sort of like veins that run

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<v Speaker 1>through the earth that are made of coal, and they

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<v Speaker 1>can It's it's not like this is a rare thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Coal seam fires happen a lot, and can happen all

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<v Speaker 1>over and do happen all over the world. I had

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<v Speaker 1>no idea. I mean, I've known about centrally as fire

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<v Speaker 1>for many, many years, but I had no idea that

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<v Speaker 1>this is a very common thing. It's very alarming. Really, Centralia,

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<v Speaker 1>what did I say? You said to Centralia? And you

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to anger those ten people. Uh, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>saying Nevada. Which way? Do they not like it? They say,

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<v Speaker 1>only people in Nevada call it Nevada? Okay, Yeah, everybody

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<v Speaker 1>else calls it Nevada. Really makes them mad. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to do that to the people of good people

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<v Speaker 1>of Centralia, altend of them. So I'm just gonna call

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<v Speaker 1>it c Town then to cover my basis. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>because now if I if I just spend time thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about it, it'll just totally derail this whole episode. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>go back to coal seam fire. So they're very common,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you said, apparently in China, um something like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a three thousand miles stretch of a coal mining

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<v Speaker 1>belt around China, and I guess at any given time,

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty decent proportion of it is on fire with

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<v Speaker 1>these coal seam fires, which is problematic. There's a town

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<v Speaker 1>in India called jahari H and it has had a

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<v Speaker 1>coal seam fire going on since nineteen eighteen and has

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<v Speaker 1>lost something like forty one million tons of coal to

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<v Speaker 1>this fire just up and smoke quite literally. Yeah. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously this happens more often if the miners didn't do

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<v Speaker 1>the right thing when they left. So like they're down

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<v Speaker 1>there mining and they've got these tunnels and you've got

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<v Speaker 1>to take care of that stuff when you leave. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't just say all right, we're out of here and

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<v Speaker 1>put the confishient sign out front. Well, unfortunately a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of mine owners have done that for a very long time. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely so. Um, if you don't have like the right supports,

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<v Speaker 1>uh to keep the ground from collapsing, that can be

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<v Speaker 1>a fire risk as well. Get a film in I

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<v Speaker 1>saw also chuck that. Um. There's this company that developed

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<v Speaker 1>what they call a cellular foam. It's actually a mixture

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<v Speaker 1>of Portland's cement and fly ash, which is a very

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<v Speaker 1>difficult ways to get rid of and so my their

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and it's a foam you can spray on whatever

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<v Speaker 1>coals left over um and it will prevent this fire

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<v Speaker 1>from these fires from catching, which is a really great thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And also it gets rid of like I said, that

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<v Speaker 1>fly waste or fly ash waste, that's that's tough to

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<v Speaker 1>um remediate on its own. So you're killing two birds

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<v Speaker 1>with one stone. But one of the reasons that you

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<v Speaker 1>would want to seal off whatever coal seam is left

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<v Speaker 1>after you abandon the mind is because it's not just

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<v Speaker 1>dipstick humans who set coal seam fires like they can

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<v Speaker 1>happen quite naturally too. And then because that's a very

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<v Speaker 1>tantalizing thing to say, I suggest, Chuck that we take

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<v Speaker 1>an am break right now. All right, let's do it

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<v Speaker 1>all right now? Is the payoff everybody. Coal seam fires

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<v Speaker 1>can start under natural circumstances, go, Chuck, Yeah, they are.

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<v Speaker 1>They can even spontaneously combust. Uh. And once they get going,

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<v Speaker 1>especially this anthracite coal, it is very very hard to

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<v Speaker 1>put out. Um produces a lot of heat, and that

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<v Speaker 1>that's self heat. It it just sort of is a

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<v Speaker 1>cyclical thing. It just sort of stays on fire. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's why when you're shipping coal, uh, it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's dangerous to ship coal when they get all those

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<v Speaker 1>big steamerships. It's dangerous, yeah, because the the as the

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<v Speaker 1>coal oxidizes, I think Piet Pie write um inside the

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<v Speaker 1>coal as it oxidizes, it starts to heat up. So

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<v Speaker 1>the coal can heat up from inside out, and it

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<v Speaker 1>can get hot enough that it can actually self ignite

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<v Speaker 1>spontaneously combust like you were saying, So, imagine having like

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<v Speaker 1>a tanker ship full of coal and your sailor on

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<v Speaker 1>that ship, and you are fully aware that coal can

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<v Speaker 1>spontaneously ignite. Wouldn't you be nervous? That'd be a little

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<v Speaker 1>nerve breaking, especially because so you know that that ship

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<v Speaker 1>is on fire in San Diego, the Navy ship right now, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were saying that it's reaching temperatures of about

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<v Speaker 1>a thousand degrees fahrenheit and it was melting steel. It

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<v Speaker 1>was that hot. Well, friend, that coal seam fire in Centralia,

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<v Speaker 1>Did I say it right? Centralia? Man Um. It has

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<v Speaker 1>been shown to reach at least temperatures of fifty degrees

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<v Speaker 1>which is something like seven two degrees celsius. So if

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<v Speaker 1>that happened on your ship, it would definitely burn a

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<v Speaker 1>hole right through your ship and you would be sunk

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<v Speaker 1>down to Davy Jones locker. Yeah, so how this thing starts? Did?

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<v Speaker 1>There are a few different versions. Um, my money is

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<v Speaker 1>on probably the most popular version, which was on sixty

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<v Speaker 1>two they burned a landfill on purpose. This was something

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<v Speaker 1>that that you know, would happen regularly as you would

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<v Speaker 1>burn the trash literally and that this trash burn kind

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<v Speaker 1>of got into that coal seam and boom, there you

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<v Speaker 1>have it, and it started a fire that has never

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<v Speaker 1>been put out to this day. Um. Other versions of

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<v Speaker 1>the story was that it was another garbage fire and

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<v Speaker 1>not that one on let by a truck driver. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And then another one is that it started in the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirties I think and has just been around, and

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<v Speaker 1>then in the nineteen sixties it was kind of noticed

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time. I like that one myself. Oh yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea that it was kind of smoldering and then

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, you know, maybe a flapper through

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<v Speaker 1>there cigarette I could totally see that. Sure, that might

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<v Speaker 1>be sexist though, so let's just say it could have

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<v Speaker 1>been a flapper or a boy toy. Okay. Either way, though,

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<v Speaker 1>that thing caught on fire started sweeping through those tunnels. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking a hundred to three hundred feet down below.

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<v Speaker 1>The earth is still on fire. You can still see

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<v Speaker 1>it today. There's some cool little short version YouTube documentaries

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<v Speaker 1>where news crews have gone out and stuff about Centralia,

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<v Speaker 1>and on rainy days, you just you stand there, especially

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<v Speaker 1>on rainy days, and you just see that steam and

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<v Speaker 1>smoke coming out from the earth itself. Um, which is

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<v Speaker 1>why one reason why it gave rise to the video

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<v Speaker 1>game and then later on the movie Silent Hill. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just this creepy abandoned town. Although the astounding thing is

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<v Speaker 1>that it's not fully abandoned, like you said, there are

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<v Speaker 1>some people. They're still. I think there's ten people that

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<v Speaker 1>live there still, and they live there because they basically

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<v Speaker 1>said I'm not moving. And so the government of Pennsylvania

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<v Speaker 1>finally said, fine, you you guys, you lifelong residents of

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<v Speaker 1>original residents of Centralia, you can stay here until you

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<v Speaker 1>and what you say in chill, I said, Centralia, Centralia again.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care. I don't care anymore. I'm sorry, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sorry people of c Town. I'm mispronouncing your name. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>offending ten people right now. Well, the government tried to

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<v Speaker 1>get them out of there. Um, they took away their

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<v Speaker 1>zip code in two thousand two. They were like, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>no zip code. Uh. I don't know if they were

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<v Speaker 1>like we need that for somewhere else or we're just

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<v Speaker 1>retiring it. It's a big burn, no pun intended. They

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<v Speaker 1>took away Route sixty one or part of it. At

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<v Speaker 1>least it ran through there, and some people say it's

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<v Speaker 1>closed for other other people say like it could reopen

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<v Speaker 1>again one day. I don't think it will. Know who

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<v Speaker 1>says it could reopen one day, that's ridiculous. And one

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<v Speaker 1>of those documentaries and like, you know, the idea was

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<v Speaker 1>if this and gets under control, they could rebuild the

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<v Speaker 1>road and no Centralie one reason why they decided to

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<v Speaker 1>move everybody out of there, and it was done with

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<v Speaker 1>taxpayer funded basically like moving fund everyone has given a pope. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the reason why they started moving everybody think in the

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<v Speaker 1>early eighties some kid was playing in one of the

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<v Speaker 1>streets and the street just collapsed under him and he

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<v Speaker 1>was hanging by his fingers above this like burning pit

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<v Speaker 1>that he was about to drop into, and they're like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think Centralie is safe to live in. That

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<v Speaker 1>was forty years ago, so the town has done nothing

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<v Speaker 1>but get more unstable since then, so that at the

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<v Speaker 1>very least that highway is not opening back up. They've

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<v Speaker 1>also demolished buildings there too. You know what actually happened

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<v Speaker 1>to that kid? What is he went to investigate some smoke, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and the thing exploded and shot him fifty ft up

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<v Speaker 1>into the air. I think it was a different kid,

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<v Speaker 1>was it? I don't know? And like the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>I got something wrong, man, And it just so happened

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<v Speaker 1>to be on the same day that a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>news crews and local politicians were there, and that was

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<v Speaker 1>not a good look at all. The kid lived by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, Well, the kid lived in my version too. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's good. They've tried a bunch of things over the

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<v Speaker 1>years to extinguish it. They put vent pipes in in

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<v Speaker 1>the eighties, and the idea there was not to put

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<v Speaker 1>out the fire, but to direct these noxious gases because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's all kinds of nasty stuff being put

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<v Speaker 1>into the air, to vent those at least away from

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<v Speaker 1>the town. And some people said that's not working, and

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<v Speaker 1>in fact it's feeding the fire with oxygen. So they

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<v Speaker 1>sealed them up a right, So where does that leave us? Chuck. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they've also tried to put it out altogether. They dug

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<v Speaker 1>it's sort of like a firebreak. They dug a trent

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<v Speaker 1>down to try and reach that seam in front of

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<v Speaker 1>the fire, but the fire went so fast they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>go far enough ahead. It beat them to where they

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<v Speaker 1>were digging down and they just went nuts. Right, But

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<v Speaker 1>apparently that's like, um, that's kind of par for the course.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that. You they're just really tough to put out.

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<v Speaker 1>You can kind of understand how that would be the

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<v Speaker 1>case from from what I've read. You have to stay

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<v Speaker 1>on top of it immediately after you noticed this and

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<v Speaker 1>then continue monitoring it basically indefinitely, because it can just

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<v Speaker 1>keep flaring up. And in fact, there's a there's something

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<v Speaker 1>called burning mountain Mount Wingin or Winging in New South Wales,

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<v Speaker 1>Australia that they think has been burning for six thousand

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<v Speaker 1>years now. Really yeah, really, man, Well that's scary stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I think so too. But that was a good one,

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<v Speaker 1>don't you think I think it was great? Great? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we hope that you think the same thing too. And

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