Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukeleman.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bear Grease Render. My, oh, my man.
Speaker 2: Today is different than probably anything we've ever done. Usually
Speaker 2: Casey and Tyler we have spoiler alert. Usually we have
Speaker 2: like six people on the Bear Grease Render. Six people,
Speaker 2: which is a lot of fun. But you guys are
Speaker 2: so much fun that there's only three of us here.
Speaker 2: We can eat enough for six, That's right.
Speaker 3: It just means we've got it rendered down to the purity,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like it's it's.
Speaker 1: That's that's good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have no doubt that you guys could eat
Speaker 2: enough chips and sausa. Okay, if you don't know, Casey Smith,
Speaker 2: Tyler Jones of the Element appreciate it.
Speaker 1: They are from Texas.
Speaker 2: Man, I enjoy watching Casey eat chips and saucy. To me,
Speaker 2: it's like it's like it's like watching somebody ride a
Speaker 2: good pleasure horse through an Areno, you know, it's just
Speaker 2: kind of like a thing of beauty or or or
Speaker 2: watching a marathon runner, like you know, stride through mile twelfth.
Speaker 3: The first time I compared to a marathon runner, I
Speaker 3: believe ever so makes good sense.
Speaker 1: But when when you.
Speaker 2: Hammered out on chips and salsa, it's like I feel joy.
Speaker 3: So it's the same thing I feel whenever you eat
Speaker 3: you know, oatmeal or whatever.
Speaker 4: No, what is it?
Speaker 1: Granola? That's what you eat a lot of.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so man, Hey, you know, a man's got a
Speaker 2: a man's got to stick to his guns on his
Speaker 2: diet when he travels. That's the one thing I've learned
Speaker 2: in my traveling over the last decade is, man, if
Speaker 2: you break, if you break the routine much, you'll you
Speaker 2: won't have a routine at all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guarantee you.
Speaker 2: You know what when I was with I spent a
Speaker 2: little bit of time with Will Primos, And what you
Speaker 2: wouldn't know about Will Primos just from watching him kill
Speaker 2: elk and call and love turkey hunting, is that he
Speaker 2: is an extreme man of discipline and wherever he goes,
Speaker 2: he goes and does his own grocery shopping and eats
Speaker 2: his own food in camp.
Speaker 1: Mmm.
Speaker 2: I took note of that. I was like, that takes
Speaker 2: some dedication because it's hard.
Speaker 5: We have to make food for like five people when
Speaker 5: we go places, so we eat our own food and
Speaker 5: uh make food for everybody else.
Speaker 1: Ten pounds of ground talk on meat, a ponty angelous
Speaker 1: gallons of salsa.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 2: I want to I want to introduce everybody to my guests.
Speaker 2: This is Casey Smith and Tyler Jones of the Element.
Speaker 2: The Element is a what telling What's the element? Y'all
Speaker 2: tell me what the element is.
Speaker 1: It's what we're living in man, you know, go for it,
Speaker 1: mister puns.
Speaker 3: So the Element is uh pretty much everything that Tyler
Speaker 3: and I do and and we've got some help with
Speaker 3: with Greg and Eric and Michael.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: We video Oliver Hunts. We have a sort of weekly podcast.
Speaker 2: I kind of say that joking, and we we get
Speaker 2: that out uh pretty much on the week and it's
Speaker 2: kind of a chronicle of our stories, our hunts and
Speaker 2: just we try to share.
Speaker 1: The knowledge that we accumulate by hunting so much.
Speaker 3: You know, we try to not be We're not experts
Speaker 3: at things, and you know, I feel like it's it's
Speaker 3: pretty uh, I don't know, it's it's.
Speaker 1: Not a good thing to can consider yourself an expert
Speaker 1: of anything.
Speaker 3: But I like to say we have a lot of experience,
Speaker 3: so we try to share what we experience with other
Speaker 3: people and hopefully we can all learn to be better
Speaker 3: hunters together through that. So that's that's kind of what
Speaker 3: the element is.
Speaker 1: And it's just I don't know what we are.
Speaker 3: We had a video series on media last year called
Speaker 3: buck Truck, and I think the intro for that is
Speaker 3: me talking real short and sweet, say, two buddies hopping
Speaker 3: and pick up travel the country hunting deer, and that
Speaker 3: is about near what we are mixed in with about
Speaker 3: I don't know, twenty percent Bible study.
Speaker 1: Throughout all that.
Speaker 5: It started with fishing, you know, I mean that's what
Speaker 5: That's what was kind of funny, you know. So we
Speaker 5: just like doing it all kind of like you man
Speaker 5: or old Brent Reeves. You know, we just like doing uh,
Speaker 5: being outdoors and if if there's something to chase or
Speaker 5: catch or or find, we're we're doing it.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you guys are colleagues of mine. You work
Speaker 2: for meat Eater at what you've done for the last year?
Speaker 1: Is that about right?
Speaker 4: That's right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, close to it. Man. What's what's it been
Speaker 1: like working for meat Eater? It's uh, it's different, that's
Speaker 1: for sure. You know.
Speaker 2: Actually because y'a already entrepreneurs, y'all. Y'all, y'all had your
Speaker 2: own business, did all your own stuff, had had this
Speaker 2: YouTube channel podcast called The Element and travels and hunted
Speaker 2: and then now you work for now you work for
Speaker 2: meat Eater.
Speaker 1: Well cool. Yeah.
Speaker 3: We try to remain just true to who we've always
Speaker 3: been and that's kind of difficult whenever you have outside
Speaker 3: influences of things. But then at the same time, it's
Speaker 3: nice to uh uh be able to collaborate and put
Speaker 3: together some some good thoughts in some minds and some
Speaker 3: different experiences around the country and just make sure you
Speaker 3: can kind of refine what we have been doing.
Speaker 1: And that's essentially kind of I mean.
Speaker 3: Man, outside of like having a bigger network and you know,
Speaker 3: quite honestly a boss, like, not a lot has changed
Speaker 3: for what we do. You know, we still operate this
Speaker 3: thing essentially how we want to, and uh, you know,
Speaker 3: just pursue having the most fun we can. Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: that's legal for you know, a couple of guys to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think that's That's kind of what I
Speaker 2: was getting that in a way, is that I feel like,
Speaker 2: you guys coming into Meetia really hasn't changed a lot
Speaker 2: of what you want.
Speaker 1: And that's what.
Speaker 2: They were just to peak, you know, crack the veil
Speaker 2: back just a little bit. I mean I feel like
Speaker 2: I feel like that's what meat Eater did for me,
Speaker 2: as they said, Hey, you be you and do what
Speaker 2: you do, and do what you're passionate about, but just
Speaker 2: work for us. And I mean that's an ideal situation,
Speaker 2: and I feel like that's what's from from outside looking in.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's what's happening with you guys, is
Speaker 2: that they've they've just kind of broadened your horizons, but
Speaker 2: you guys are still who you were before.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, man. I mean that's that's what h
Speaker 5: That's the same kind of thing we had in discussions
Speaker 5: is going, you know prior to this, was you know,
Speaker 5: can we can we continue to just be who we
Speaker 5: are because that's what we want to be. Man, That's honest,
Speaker 5: you know, and that's what we want is honesty in
Speaker 5: what we do and and uh so, well you, I mean,
Speaker 5: it hasn't changed a whole lot of what we do
Speaker 5: outside of the fact that I got to really take
Speaker 5: care of receipts, you know, but uh, you know.
Speaker 2: That is the biggest that is the biggest problem with
Speaker 2: corporate America.
Speaker 1: Seats golly yeah.
Speaker 3: And it's because it's yours, because you don't like touching them,
Speaker 3: because the radiation that's that's mine.
Speaker 1: You know, like.
Speaker 3: Those uh you know those heat print receipts. Man, that's
Speaker 3: that's what's giving us all melanoma.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 1: That's tough.
Speaker 2: Every time I like am on on a work trip
Speaker 2: and like buy a coffee at a gas station and
Speaker 2: and the person does not give me a receipt, and
Speaker 2: I go, heyl, could I have a receipt?
Speaker 1: I feel like they think that I think that they
Speaker 1: cheated me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're like, oh oh, so you know, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of personal drama involved in receipts.
Speaker 5: Man, guarantee you I almost bought the almost about a
Speaker 5: drink with cash this morning because I didn't want to
Speaker 5: have to ask for the receipts.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, dude, Sometimes that's tough. That's tough.
Speaker 3: The worst part is, like, well, we all got accustomed
Speaker 3: to this. You know, I'm speaking to an elder millennial
Speaker 3: here with Clay Nukumb. But you still follow in the category, right,
Speaker 3: Like we we were around for the transition of prepay
Speaker 3: to like just pay at the pump, right, and so
Speaker 3: like we love pay at the pump for a gas.
Speaker 3: I like being able to just make a quick stop
Speaker 3: on the road and just go, you know, like I
Speaker 3: have a large bladder for a medium sized man, so
Speaker 3: I don't have to use the bathroom too much. Man,
Speaker 3: So like I can just pay at the pump and go,
Speaker 3: you know, and then guarantee you like, more often than not,
Speaker 3: the receipt machine don't work on the pump, and you
Speaker 3: got to go inside after all this, and then you
Speaker 3: end up seeing a package of peanuts you want.
Speaker 1: You know, it just ain't good.
Speaker 5: It sounds like it sounds like a first world problem.
Speaker 5: But when you travel for a living, I mean it's
Speaker 5: pretty tough to lose. You're losing ten minutes of your
Speaker 5: life at a time every you know, every week or
Speaker 5: every four Yeah.
Speaker 1: Man, man, problems, problems, problems.
Speaker 2: Well forward to the day when when there's so much
Speaker 2: surveillance in our country that just like you just go
Speaker 2: to a gas pump and just like get gas, and
Speaker 2: it just like knows who you are already, knows your
Speaker 2: bank account already, and knows where you work for already,
Speaker 2: and you just like just everything's just all automated.
Speaker 5: We're there, man, I just got an email from Ornithology.
Speaker 5: Ornithology is that you said, Yeah, Cornell Institute. And literally
Speaker 5: twenty minutes before that, Casey and I were having a
Speaker 5: big bird conversation with another guy. So, uh, they are
Speaker 5: already there. They're listening, man, they know. Yeah, I hope
Speaker 5: you'all know that I was kidding about my surveillance.
Speaker 1: Oh I know.
Speaker 2: Let me let me go ahead, and just for for
Speaker 2: people who wouldn't who wouldn't be familiar with you guys,
Speaker 2: let me just I want to introduce you even further
Speaker 2: to the bear Grease audience as that, Hey, these guys
Speaker 2: right here are some serious deer hunting machines.
Speaker 1: And I don't throw that kind of stuff around lightly.
Speaker 1: I really don't.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I think I think in a
Speaker 2: in a in a in a brotherhood, compliments are earned,
Speaker 2: They're not just guaranteed and.
Speaker 5: Uh, I'm just glad you didn't say see a conspiracy theorists,
Speaker 5: because that's what I thought you were fixing.
Speaker 2: I know we're all into that, but no, Casey and
Speaker 2: Tyler are are are really good hunters, and y'all have
Speaker 2: really had a lot of success and and the and
Speaker 2: the proofs and the pudding to what you guys are doing.
Speaker 2: And I was able to hunt with y'all for a
Speaker 2: week last year in Arkansas, and uh, it was a
Speaker 2: really unique experience for me because you guys are crazy,
Speaker 2: Because you.
Speaker 1: Guys are absolutely nuts. No, I.
Speaker 2: Tell people all the time. I tell people really. I
Speaker 2: told somebody this week, I said, Man, I hunted with
Speaker 2: the Element guys. And I said, we hunted six days,
Speaker 2: morning and evening, six days. And I said, those guys
Speaker 2: never sat in the same tree twice. And I and
Speaker 2: I because we were in a boat, we were we
Speaker 2: were hunting by a boat. I had kind of just
Speaker 2: submitted myself to you know, I'm just gonna do this
Speaker 2: the way these guys do it. My instinct would have
Speaker 2: been to and just the way I've done things. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't even know if it's an instinct, it's just
Speaker 2: the way I think about white tail hunting is you know,
Speaker 2: you would go to a spot and you'd sit there
Speaker 2: probably two or three sits at least, just give it
Speaker 2: a chance to work itself out or or or or
Speaker 2: heck even dig in longer and sit there longer than that.
Speaker 1: And you guys were like.
Speaker 2: No, man, we're we're we're gonna move a bunch and
Speaker 2: and uh, really, what I feel like you were doing
Speaker 2: is and probably do a lot of it is capitalize
Speaker 2: on the first time sits. Yeah, and and when you're
Speaker 2: traveling around, let let me tell you, guys something about yourself. Okay,
Speaker 2: let me let me explain y'all to you. Okay, uh
Speaker 2: that Now, the other thing is is that y'all do
Speaker 2: something that I don't always do. I'm most of my
Speaker 2: white tail hunting is local, and I'm going to places
Speaker 2: that I go to all the time and have gone
Speaker 2: to for a long time. And you guys are going
Speaker 2: into new areas, new places and have very short time
Speaker 2: frames to hunt. So you've got to turn up the
Speaker 2: knob the volume of concert, or you've got to be
Speaker 2: kind of extreme in a way, like you can't be conservative,
Speaker 2: like if you're going to the same one hundred and
Speaker 2: sixty acre property for fifteen hunts between you know, October
Speaker 2: first and November fifteenth, Like you kind of have to
Speaker 2: dial back the aggression because you're gonna burn out your spots,
Speaker 2: you're gonna bump your deer, and you may already know
Speaker 2: kind of what's going on. You go, you show up
Speaker 2: at some place you've never been to, you've only seen
Speaker 2: it on ad X to be aggressive, and you got
Speaker 2: to take a bunch of risk, and boy that it
Speaker 2: seems to really pay off sometimes. And I'm sure sometimes
Speaker 2: you just track out or sometimes you mess something up,
Speaker 2: but then you just go somewhere else. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: would you say that's a pretty good descriptor the way
Speaker 2: y'all hunt?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it for sure is I think that
Speaker 5: there's a lot of calculations that may go under the
Speaker 5: radar when we're hunting with somebody, you know, Like but
Speaker 5: one thing that I mean, we do we certainly have
Speaker 5: like a pretty good degree of aggression in our sets
Speaker 5: and those kind of things, but it also is very
Speaker 5: dependent upon like what we've got going in the area,
Speaker 5: you know, because you don't want to if you got
Speaker 5: one spot that hunts on a north wind in that area.
Speaker 5: You don't want to blow it out if you got
Speaker 5: to drive an hour and a half to get to
Speaker 5: another spot that hunts on a north wind. So you know,
Speaker 5: and a lot of that aggressiveness comes through like a
Speaker 5: freedom that we have from scouting all summer on on
Speaker 5: on X, you know, on the maps. So we're able
Speaker 5: to have a pretty good idea what things are going
Speaker 5: to kind of look like and uh, what's gonna work
Speaker 5: for us going in? And and we we have a
Speaker 5: lot of commonalities too. There's some definite them some things
Speaker 5: that we do different, think about different, but like the
Speaker 5: one thing that we do have in common that really
Speaker 5: helps us to be effective the most is that we
Speaker 5: are pretty I think at least you know, I feel
Speaker 5: like weird kind of saying this about myself, but we're
Speaker 5: fairly selfless in the way we look at how we
Speaker 5: take spots and how we hunt and these kind of things.
Speaker 1: Got to be partner hunting, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5: And and it's just uh, that's really I mean, there's
Speaker 5: you know more about this, clay, but I won't want
Speaker 5: to elaborate, but this foundationally, that's where we are, uh,
Speaker 5: in kind of what we think and what we believe.
Speaker 5: So we we don't ever really hardly ever argue about
Speaker 5: anything too much anymore. I mean, getting getting used to
Speaker 5: each each other early on, you know, is a thing,
Speaker 5: but like we don't whenever hardly. Like if if there's
Speaker 5: a spot somebody wants to go to, I mean we
Speaker 5: almost like nobody will take it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: It's like, oh, no, you go there. It's like no,
Speaker 5: I got another spot over here, and you just like, okay,
Speaker 5: well are you really saying that?
Speaker 4: Or you know, is that it.
Speaker 3: Gets the point where you're trying to figure out like, hey,
Speaker 3: this is what I want to where I want to
Speaker 3: go the worst, But are you.
Speaker 1: Avoiding that spot because you know I want to go there?
Speaker 1: You know? And so you know that you kind of
Speaker 1: come full circle on the thing.
Speaker 3: But uh, I talk about this quite a bit, but
Speaker 3: I preach against pride all the time. Man, Like you
Speaker 3: can't have like any level of pride or self I.
Speaker 1: Don't want to say self confidence, but like because that's good.
Speaker 3: When it comes to hunting, but like self ambition, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 3: self ambition.
Speaker 1: Right, it was it James three five? And that what
Speaker 1: it was?
Speaker 4: You said something like yeah, James three or.
Speaker 3: And so like, if you're doing this thing and your
Speaker 3: common goal is for everyone to have a great time
Speaker 3: and hunt deer in and be successful. Like the thing
Speaker 3: that Tyler and I do that I cherish is that
Speaker 3: we can look at a spot that we've never been
Speaker 3: to or that we have either way, and just shoot
Speaker 3: a bunch of holes in the bottom boat for about
Speaker 3: five or ten minutes and come out with the best
Speaker 3: possible plan. And I think it's like key to success
Speaker 3: force men, Oh for sure. I mean if one person
Speaker 3: shoots a deer. I actually killed a deer on Texas
Speaker 3: public land the other day about a week ago or so,
Speaker 3: and you know, Case was like, I just listened to
Speaker 3: him straight up because he went in and hung this
Speaker 3: camera and wasn't able to go on that hunt that
Speaker 3: that particular night. And he was like, Hey, the deer
Speaker 3: do this. There's two thickets here, they travel this way,
Speaker 3: They're gonna hit a scrape on the edge of that
Speaker 3: transition in between the two thickets, and the wind, you know,
Speaker 3: is just gonna be It's gonna be a matter of wind.
Speaker 3: And I went in there and I played the wind
Speaker 3: where it was just off and that was able to
Speaker 3: get into a tree based off of that and like
Speaker 3: kill the deer, you know, because I just straight up
Speaker 3: listening to case, you know I mean, And that's kind
Speaker 3: of that, that's that thing that really there's a big
Speaker 3: common theme in white tail hunting the last few years,
Speaker 3: and maybe it's going away a little bit, but especially
Speaker 3: when we were when we were getting started, there was
Speaker 3: this lone wolf mentality and uh, you know, and it's
Speaker 3: very prideful. It's very much like I can do this,
Speaker 3: and I want to do it, and I'm gonna do
Speaker 3: it my way and I don't need anybody to help
Speaker 3: me when really everybody's going out there shoot a deer.
Speaker 4: We're hunting. We're not nature walking, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: So, uh, if you want to shoot a deer, sometimes
Speaker 5: it's okay to listen to your friend and just be
Speaker 5: like that was fun. That was fun, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean. And if you want it a different way
Speaker 5: next time, you can do it too. But anyway, I
Speaker 5: just think that it's it's way better, way better thing
Speaker 5: to have, you know, your buddies helping each other out.
Speaker 5: It just it makes camp way more fun, man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, And you gotta have some discernment too and
Speaker 3: keep good friends and good hunting buddies that you know
Speaker 3: are gonna make some good decisions for you, or at least, like.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna name any names.
Speaker 3: But we we might have a friend somewhere in this
Speaker 3: world who might not actually have the best advice, but
Speaker 3: I still listen to him, you know, and hunt with
Speaker 3: him and hang out. But you kind of got to
Speaker 3: figure out who you can count on that kind of
Speaker 3: stuff too. But that doesn't mean you can't count on
Speaker 3: that individual as a person.
Speaker 1: You know that those are two different things, you know.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Well that's that's a really cool perspective. And I saw
Speaker 2: that in action with you guys. And and you know,
Speaker 2: like when I saw y'all had a really good fall
Speaker 2: this year, and heck, even I just said it, I said,
Speaker 2: y'all have had a really good fall.
Speaker 1: Well, Tyler's killed three deer?
Speaker 4: Is that right? Yeah, yep, that's right.
Speaker 2: And then and in my mind when I hear one
Speaker 2: of you have killed a deer, it's like it actually
Speaker 2: it's it's like you are the same the same person.
Speaker 1: Like it's like you got one.
Speaker 4: It's weird. It's like a married couple. Man, It's like it's.
Speaker 1: A little weird, but you know, yeah it is.
Speaker 4: It's a win for us.
Speaker 5: So it is man like, uh, you know, there's a
Speaker 5: there's there's a there's a certain degree of that, and
Speaker 5: then there's this also this degree where like last year
Speaker 5: I had a little bit rougher year overall than I
Speaker 5: normally do. Uh had some things just didn't go away,
Speaker 5: and uh and you know you feel a little bit
Speaker 5: like almost like you're not helping the team out like
Speaker 5: you should or whatever.
Speaker 4: You're not doing your part a little bit.
Speaker 5: But I know, like it's not on a per deer basis,
Speaker 5: you know, like Casey's super happy for me when I
Speaker 5: shoot a buck and vice versa. But uh, you know,
Speaker 5: you get a couple bucks behind and you're like, oh man,
Speaker 5: I'm I gotta do something.
Speaker 1: It's a good pressure, you know.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like Todder and I are playing linebacker
Speaker 3: for for meat right now, just hunting deer, you know,
Speaker 3: and like he's up, he's got three sacks this game
Speaker 3: and I ain't got none, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Actually I got one. Uh, but you know you're just
Speaker 3: like it's good for everybody when the sacks happened, But
Speaker 3: I kind of want a few of my own, you know,
Speaker 3: which it was kind of weird this year too because
Speaker 3: we went to uh, Nebraska and uh we killed bucks
Speaker 3: on the same night.
Speaker 1: It was awesome.
Speaker 3: It's a second year in row on that, which is
Speaker 3: just it's such a blessing man.
Speaker 1: But the deer I shot this, this and this this.
Speaker 3: Video be on the media channel. Tyler's is way bigger.
Speaker 3: It's already on the Element channel right now.
Speaker 2: But I almost didn't get to enjoy Tyler's deer as
Speaker 2: much as I wish I would have because my shot was, uh,
Speaker 2: like my deer just what didn't how do you say?
Speaker 1: The shot wasn't as good as I wanted.
Speaker 3: It was lethal and everything was great, but you know,
Speaker 3: I was like a little bit anxious about that, and
Speaker 3: it almost took away from the experience because I just
Speaker 3: would have Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to kill
Speaker 3: the deer, but I would have loved to just been
Speaker 3: able to just relish the fact that Tyler killed one
Speaker 3: of the biggest eight points I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 3: You know, like I kind of got to miss out
Speaker 3: on part of that because I was all concerned about
Speaker 3: going to finding my.
Speaker 1: Deer, so like yeah, I understand. I don't know. It
Speaker 1: is cool to.
Speaker 3: Have that relationship where you can truly just have joy
Speaker 3: for the other person.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot of teaches you man.
Speaker 5: We're learning a lot of things about life really through
Speaker 5: this man, through this old deer hunt thing.
Speaker 4: That we're doing.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe y'all could give me some advice because my partner, uh,
Speaker 2: Brent Reeves is uh I know, he's an undercover agent,
Speaker 2: double undercover, playing the long game on me. And I
Speaker 2: tell you what, one of the best friends you could
Speaker 2: ever have is an undercover wildlife agent.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean they're a lot of fun. They're always ready
Speaker 2: to go, always ready for new ideas. But anyway, uh,
Speaker 2: you should, Yeah, you could. You could go double.
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. I'm not kidding say that. What
Speaker 1: what do you say? You should join the force and
Speaker 1: go double agent on him, you know, like a mole.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is a joke, but actually the first couple
Speaker 2: of years that Brent was hanging around, it was my bye.
Speaker 2: My it was kind of like I had just stepped
Speaker 2: into an outdoor media platform. And I have always been
Speaker 2: just paranoid about breaking the law and different things. And
Speaker 2: I'm serious, I actually I actually thought this guy might
Speaker 2: be working for the government.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think it's just an Arkansas thing. I
Speaker 3: think that's just the way y'all feel about stuff. You
Speaker 3: just feel like a little paranoid. Yeah, you know, like
Speaker 3: it's just this thing that you're born with. It's like, man,
Speaker 3: I might have already done something wrong. I didn't even
Speaker 3: know what it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, that's it exactly. No.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, we're from from deep western Arkansas
Speaker 3: there in East Texas, and I kind of got the
Speaker 3: same thing going. And honestly, it's kind of funny you
Speaker 3: say that, because if you travel around much deer hunting,
Speaker 3: state to state regulations are a lot different. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: so like you might have to have this permit over here,
Speaker 3: but over here you got to worry about what kind.
Speaker 1: Of boots you wear, and you know, who knows what.
Speaker 5: And in this state you can tag them when you
Speaker 5: get to your truck, and in that one, you literally
Speaker 5: cannot move the deer at all, can't even take a
Speaker 5: picture with him without tag on. It's like, man, oh
Speaker 5: you talk about So here's the thing, Tyler and I
Speaker 5: trust yourselves, or trust each other a whole lot. So
Speaker 5: I kind of I probably it's gonna come back to
Speaker 5: buy me, all right. But I've been delving into the
Speaker 5: practical joking a little bit here lately and incorporating that
Speaker 5: into our hunts. So Tyler went to South Dakota and
Speaker 5: killed a deer first sit because he just does that,
Speaker 5: and so he became bird hunter and upland hunter real quick. Well,
Speaker 5: they have multiple species of upland bird there in South Dakota,
Speaker 5: and uh, you know, seasons kind of change and depending
Speaker 5: on the bird. Well, he kind of was all hot
Speaker 5: because he'd killed some greater prey chickens, which is something
Speaker 5: we don't even see. I ain't never seen one, you know,
Speaker 5: until we go up there, and they're awesome. They're like
Speaker 5: the world's biggest quail. They're the same thing pretty much,
Speaker 5: you know, they're just cool. Well, he called me because
Speaker 5: I was.
Speaker 3: Deer hunting that morning and I was headed back into
Speaker 3: camp afterwards.
Speaker 1: He was like, oh, hype about it, you know, Like.
Speaker 2: Dude, I killed a bunch of doves yesterday and I
Speaker 2: went out and I got shot a limit of these
Speaker 2: prey chickens, and I was like just kind of just
Speaker 2: going on with it, you know, And I was like, man,
Speaker 2: that's awesome.
Speaker 3: You know, are you gonna be cause we do you know,
Speaker 3: the social media thing or whatever it's like. And I'd
Speaker 3: already seen on the story that he posted about it
Speaker 3: on Instagram, and I said, are you gonna But I
Speaker 3: didn't tell him that. I said, are you gonna wait?
Speaker 3: Are you gonna wait to like post that on the
Speaker 3: fifteenth or like what's your plan? And you know, I
Speaker 3: didn't come out and say, I'm not sure. There's stuff
Speaker 3: the season.
Speaker 1: You know, we kind of gave him a little just
Speaker 1: like a little taste of like in this season.
Speaker 5: The season had opened on September fifteenth, and I knew that,
Speaker 5: but it was, you know, the second of October or whatever.
Speaker 5: So I was in the season, but I started thinking about, oh,
Speaker 5: that was a fifteenth that was a that's oh that's
Speaker 5: ten fifteen dude. Oh no, he posted on the story
Speaker 5: I got him for. He had me for a second, man, and.
Speaker 4: Then I was like, I mean I couldn't speak, dude.
Speaker 5: I was like, because I'm the same way, dude, like,
Speaker 5: you can't just you can't just you can't do something wrong, man.
Speaker 5: I mean, there's how many people out there even listening
Speaker 5: to this podcast, right now you know, have and cheated
Speaker 5: the limits a little bit or done something over the years.
Speaker 3: He's already trying to get us on the game. Boarst
Speaker 3: he was. I made a joke about shooting a bear
Speaker 3: thing it was a hog, And all of a sudden
Speaker 3: Clay goes into federal agent mode on me.
Speaker 1: You know, well, I may be working for Brent.
Speaker 2: You might go, that's no Artie Stewart, I mean, this
Speaker 2: is like legendary bear grease stuff. We did a series
Speaker 2: called Secret Agent Man, one of our most listened to
Speaker 2: series of all time, on a secret agent from Ohio
Speaker 2: named Artie Stewart. One of his biggest, I mean one
Speaker 2: of his like best moments, best bear grease moments, was
Speaker 2: he was deep inside of a walleye poaching sting. These
Speaker 2: guys were fishing walleyes and selling like big money, like
Speaker 2: selling thousands and thousands of pounds of illegal wallys. Apparently
Speaker 2: those people up north are nuts about wallys. And he
Speaker 2: was at a party with this big time poacher who
Speaker 2: they were about to nail, and RT moves in to
Speaker 2: get him to confess to more than he ever had,
Speaker 2: and the guy all of a sudden gets suspicious of OURT.
Speaker 2: Maybe for the first time, definitely the first time he'd
Speaker 2: confronted RT.
Speaker 1: And he and he says, he says.
Speaker 2: You gotta be a bleep and he bleep, game ward
Speaker 2: not you. I bet you're wearing a wire. And he
Speaker 2: just confronts RT publicly. RT stands up, drops his pants
Speaker 2: to his ankles, takes his shirt off, and yells to
Speaker 2: show that he's not wearing a wire and accuses the
Speaker 2: other guy being a game warden. Goes, you're the game warden.
Speaker 2: You're the game warden. Take your clothes off. You bet
Speaker 2: you're wearing a wire. This is like in a public party.
Speaker 2: He's got his pants and his ankles, no shirt on.
Speaker 2: But there's one thing I haven't told you. He was
Speaker 2: wearing a cowboy hat and his wire was under the
Speaker 2: cowboy hat. Bam you see, you see it. But one
Speaker 2: of the best things he ever did was accused the
Speaker 2: other guy of being a game warden.
Speaker 1: That's a good trick, that's right, man, for sure.
Speaker 3: So was it not suspicious for this ohen to be
Speaker 3: wearing a cowboy hat?
Speaker 1: Man, there's a lot of that.
Speaker 2: Ohio Southern Ohio is like, oh, yeah, it's a man,
Speaker 2: and yeah, there's a it's yea is it in in bounds?
Speaker 3: There's that little area of the country there that's like Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana.
Speaker 3: They don't even know where they're from. They can't tell
Speaker 3: you which state they're from because it's like they just
Speaker 3: claim it all, you know, you know, like.
Speaker 1: Of course, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: Hey Stewart, speaking of uh, you got to hunt with
Speaker 5: on that Arkansas hunt. You got to hunt with a
Speaker 5: guy you know is Spike h how's that man?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 2: So we're talking about uh, we're talking about their cameraman, Mike,
Speaker 2: Mike Stroll Uh Stole Stole.
Speaker 4: That's him, that's him.
Speaker 1: He.
Speaker 5: I mean, I just wondered how because there's a there's
Speaker 5: a pretty famous cell phone recording of him trying to
Speaker 5: go up a mud bank.
Speaker 4: Uh in the base.
Speaker 5: I just wondered how it was walking around the woods
Speaker 5: with him, you know, if he's sliding all over the.
Speaker 1: Bas He impressed me. He impressed me.
Speaker 4: That's good.
Speaker 1: You know when we when we hunted together.
Speaker 2: Any cameraman that I ever hunt with I'm suspicious of
Speaker 2: from the get go. Not suspicious that I'm just like, hey.
Speaker 3: Like would if he's wearing a wire making stripped down
Speaker 3: or what kind of suspicion.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I got I got nothing to hide.
Speaker 2: I was cool with him recording everything we said.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: I was just like, listen up, buddy, you're not gonna
Speaker 2: mess up my white tail hunt. Okay, you're gonna have
Speaker 2: to sit there like a like a like a dead
Speaker 2: bird on a branch, not move, not talk, do your job. No,
Speaker 2: I'm not a jerk, but I but I am just
Speaker 2: like I just am a'm like, we'll see how this goes.
Speaker 1: And man, he was killer dude.
Speaker 2: He he he could sit longer than me, he could
Speaker 2: stay warmer than me, He talked less than me.
Speaker 1: He filmed very well.
Speaker 2: He was helpful in uh in the woods scouting hunting.
Speaker 2: I mean we were just kind of a team, you know.
Speaker 2: I was asking him what he thought we should be doing.
Speaker 2: And he was a joy to hunt with.
Speaker 1: Great time.
Speaker 5: He is, he's got uh he's got to my video,
Speaker 5: my kills on video this year.
Speaker 4: And he does a good job. Man.
Speaker 3: He says that you like the nosebleed section of the
Speaker 3: woods Man, I'd just like to get yourself.
Speaker 4: You did have a big I didn't stack a stick.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize it until I started hunting. Justin the
Speaker 2: show a cameraman he said the same thing about me.
Speaker 2: I just feel like the higher you are, the better
Speaker 2: chance you're going to get away with uh with scent
Speaker 2: problems and just them scene.
Speaker 3: Oh Clay Knewkeom the scent control master over here, right,
Speaker 3: that's right, that's right.
Speaker 1: Don't don't get me started. Don't get me started.
Speaker 2: Hey, I was listening to a podcast and your dad
Speaker 2: is all about it. Well see, okay, Well that's you
Speaker 2: don't know the whole story. I mean, the reason I
Speaker 2: can speak so authoritatively on whitetail scent control products is
Speaker 2: because I was there at the start. Brother, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean in the mid nineties when they first started coming
Speaker 2: out with scent shield and scent lock and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, we were right there, and my dad was
Speaker 2: as serious about it as anybody that ever lived. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm serious, Like the the nitpick detail of his scent
Speaker 2: control regiment is incredible. And and so I, as a
Speaker 2: kid and as a young adult, I did that to
Speaker 2: hunt with him.
Speaker 1: Like he wouldn't. He wouldn't hunt with you if you
Speaker 1: didn't do it.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's just like I literally he would be like,
Speaker 2: I will not take you hunting if you or he
Speaker 2: wouldn't put me. Like the way it would work is
Speaker 2: when I was a kid was he would have good
Speaker 2: stands that he had scouted, so you know, I on
Speaker 2: the weekend go hunt with him, and he'd put me
Speaker 2: on one of his good stands, you know, and he's like,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like we had to do it. So
Speaker 2: when I became an adult, moved away and really started
Speaker 2: to learn to bow hunt on my own, I couldn't
Speaker 2: afford that stuff. I didn't have the time for it.
Speaker 2: Like this, life was very hectic when I was going
Speaker 2: to college, had kids, newly married, and I just started
Speaker 2: hunting the wind and you know, basically that's when I
Speaker 2: really started killing deer and and then at to at
Speaker 2: least two different times during my white tail career, I
Speaker 2: have gone back to major scent control product use. Okay,
Speaker 2: I won't go into the details of those products, but
Speaker 2: there came a time, just even a couple of years ago,
Speaker 2: and I was like, Okay, I'm going to give this
Speaker 2: a go again. I was getting smelled or hunting risky
Speaker 2: spots and getting smelled and I didn't like it, and
Speaker 2: I was like, maybe technology has changed, maybe things are different,
Speaker 2: And basically it's anything that someone observes in the woods
Speaker 2: is always going to have some level of anecdotal evidence.
Speaker 2: There's some level of you could have done it different,
Speaker 2: you could have done it better. Maybe it was just
Speaker 2: a freak circumstance. But basically, deer would smell me just
Speaker 2: the same when I was using all those products. Yes,
Speaker 2: they did when I didn't. So I was just like, well,
Speaker 2: I'm cutting out that section of my hunting because of
Speaker 2: how much energy it takes, and I'm devoting energy to
Speaker 2: the actual limiting factors of my hunting.
Speaker 5: So we've gotten the same place. Yeah, yep, we're there,
Speaker 5: man like. And when you travel as much, that's that's
Speaker 5: when it really gets tough because you don't have dryers
Speaker 5: and washers and all the stuff always, and you know,
Speaker 5: it's just you gotta put gas in your truck because
Speaker 5: you're out of you know, you've been four hundred.
Speaker 4: Miles whether or not you know it. You got to
Speaker 4: get some gas, you know.
Speaker 3: Now, I got a question for you on that front, though.
Speaker 3: You you you do something we don't. That's a bear hunting,
Speaker 3: and you're in close a lot of the times on
Speaker 3: that deal. But a bear's psyche is different than a whitetail, right, Like,
Speaker 3: they just approach the world differently, and their nose is
Speaker 3: just like you can probably go on about this more
Speaker 3: than I can, but their nose is like their window
Speaker 3: into the world. So do you approach that any differently
Speaker 3: with bears and you use dear.
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's the exact same, I mean, because it
Speaker 2: actually amplifies the fact that you can't hide from them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it. To me, what people say.
Speaker 2: About scent control products is that maybe it helps a little,
Speaker 2: And I don't think there's such thing as helping a little.
Speaker 2: Like if a bear smells a little human or a
Speaker 2: lot of human, he's going to be he's going to
Speaker 2: be alarmed. If a doe deer smells a little human
Speaker 2: or a lot of human, he's she's going to run away.
Speaker 5: Clay, Now, when you say a little human, what exactly?
Speaker 5: Because we have this thing where people say all the time, Oh,
Speaker 5: I'm a big hunter, and you're like, well, how big?
Speaker 4: How big a boy are you?
Speaker 2: Okay, I walked into one of your one of your
Speaker 2: inside jokes.
Speaker 4: That's what's happened here, Exactly. We have a lot of them.
Speaker 3: That's one of things you learned about us too, is
Speaker 3: how many inside jokes? Oh yeah, that was That was
Speaker 3: the third thing. Aside from y'all being really good hunters
Speaker 3: and moving around a lot. It's a lot of inside
Speaker 3: jokes that nobody gets but y'all. Okay, well now you're
Speaker 3: you're on the inside.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: That's a good place to be. I am now, yeah,
Speaker 1: A little human. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, it's pretty funny.
Speaker 4: I like it.
Speaker 1: I wanna start using that.
Speaker 4: A little human.
Speaker 1: Well, bears.
Speaker 2: Bears respond differently to humans sitting different situations, Like if
Speaker 2: you're baiting them, you are not trying to I mean
Speaker 2: they are. They're very aware that there's a human involved
Speaker 2: at this bait side, and so you can get away
Speaker 2: with human odor with lesser animals to some degree, you know.
Speaker 2: So there are times like this year, my son was
Speaker 2: hunting bait and like he said, Dad, the wind was
Speaker 2: blowing directly to these bears and they just didn't care
Speaker 2: and they would come in. But those also weren't big
Speaker 2: older mature males. Big older mature males are just like
Speaker 2: it's so amazing that all the species, the big older
Speaker 2: mature males just operate in a different level of consciousness
Speaker 2: of the world. And black bears are just like big
Speaker 2: white tail bucks. They're just on a different life schedule
Speaker 2: and routine. But very rarely, very rarely even on a
Speaker 2: bait site with a big adult male smell like Noah,
Speaker 2: human is there and them just barge in. But a
Speaker 2: younger bear might you're out in the woods, You're out
Speaker 2: in the big country, not in a bait situation. Any
Speaker 2: bear on planet Earth, you know, ninety five percent of
Speaker 2: the time smells a human, they're gonna run like a
Speaker 2: like a scalded dog.
Speaker 5: You know, is there a is there a like there's
Speaker 5: a pretty I guess at least a vocal subset of
Speaker 5: white tailed deer hunters that, uh don't like the bait thing,
Speaker 5: you know, is there is that? I feel like that
Speaker 5: I may be wrong because I'm pretty on the outside here,
Speaker 5: But does I feel like it doesn't exist as much
Speaker 5: in the bear world?
Speaker 4: Is that right?
Speaker 1: What do you mean? Like?
Speaker 5: Uh, like, there's not like baiting isn't his taboo in
Speaker 5: the bear world as it is in the deer world.
Speaker 5: Sometimes it seems like, Oh.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think it probably is.
Speaker 2: I think there's plenty of people that wouldn't like bear
Speaker 2: hunting over bait or just but you know, we've we've
Speaker 2: been talking about it for over a decade.
Speaker 1: Is that man, bear hunting over baits?
Speaker 2: Just it's a management tool that we use in places
Speaker 2: that we that we that we need it, and it's
Speaker 2: an incredible way to be selective and manage bears and hunt.
Speaker 2: And it's just like anything. If you're if you're trying
Speaker 2: to get an older age male, it's extremely difficult. I mean,
Speaker 2: you'd you'd be better off, you'd be it'd be easy
Speaker 2: for you to kill a big buck in this state
Speaker 2: than it would be to intentionally kill a big bear.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you were like Clay, you got to
Speaker 2: kill a big buck or a four hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: pound black bear this year, You've got to or we're
Speaker 2: gonna take your house. What are you gonna do? I'd
Speaker 2: be like, dude, I'll take the one forty. I mean
Speaker 2: it's hard even with bait.
Speaker 4: Oh you call.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that, Oh I call one forty real big.
Speaker 2: Hey, let me uh let me uh let me switch
Speaker 2: topics a little bit.
Speaker 1: Slightly slightly. There's two things I want to talk to
Speaker 1: you about.
Speaker 2: I want to talk to you all about outdoor media
Speaker 2: because it's rare that I have another person in media
Speaker 2: on the Beargerish Render, and but I also want to
Speaker 2: talk to about the deer stories thing a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the I feel like I don't like being an outdoor
Speaker 2: media Well you said that, you know, like I'm not
Speaker 2: there with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me explain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people people look at us by guys like you,
Speaker 2: guys that are full time employed inside of production of
Speaker 2: everything that involves the element, which is it was just
Speaker 2: a hunting show podcast group. You know, people look at
Speaker 2: me and they they they think I'm a hunting professional.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like that, but that's that's just
Speaker 1: the truth.
Speaker 2: There's also been a pretty big stir in the pot
Speaker 2: of late about this idea that hunting media and hunting
Speaker 2: influencers is really negative for conservation and hunting.
Speaker 1: Have you Are you all aware of that?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I know that's going on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean now, I don't I don't know how
Speaker 3: in tune I am with that, and I don't know
Speaker 3: how much to what degree the percentage of the population
Speaker 3: feels that, but there is there is a that is chatter.
Speaker 1: If that is out there for sure.
Speaker 2: What do you what do y'all think? I mean, like,
Speaker 2: how do you how do you? I guess in a sense,
Speaker 2: we're we are all trying to our all of our
Speaker 2: goal is towards a limited resource, which would be hunting, land.
Speaker 1: Access, bigger bucks, white.
Speaker 2: Tailed deer, whatever, And you know we are we're promoting
Speaker 2: hunting and and but also you know, the big thing
Speaker 2: that that people are saying is that we've commodite.
Speaker 1: We we've made hunting.
Speaker 2: Uh what's what's the word I'm trying to say, a
Speaker 2: commodity commodified?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, commodity.
Speaker 2: It's we have commodified hunting in that we are selling
Speaker 2: products as a result of our hunting, and that we're
Speaker 2: recruiting new hunters basically by a new product. Like that's
Speaker 2: what people say, Well, what do you guys think of that?
Speaker 5: I mean, I feel like since you know, beginning of time,
Speaker 5: people have had commerce. I mean, whether you work at
Speaker 5: a hardware store or a dairy plant or whatever, you're
Speaker 5: essentially making an end product.
Speaker 4: Selle right.
Speaker 5: I mean I don't know, there's probably not a whole
Speaker 5: lot of if any jobs. And I'm sure somebody will
Speaker 5: correct me, but like I can't think any off top
Speaker 5: of my head, that don't end in some sort of sale, right,
Speaker 5: So I mean.
Speaker 4: That's how the world works.
Speaker 5: It's either barter or sale and to either acquire something
Speaker 5: or get rid of something.
Speaker 4: So I mean it's not.
Speaker 5: It is a very complicated question, like a very big,
Speaker 5: broad general question too, so I'll try it to be
Speaker 5: too verbose. But like I I've wanted to do. I've
Speaker 5: wanted to hunt or fish for a living since I
Speaker 5: was tiny, man, Like I wanted to be a fishing
Speaker 5: guide for a while. Well, what does a fishing guide do?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 5: He sells fishing trips, you know, and probably sells you know,
Speaker 5: g Loomis rods or whatever too along the way, when
Speaker 5: you know, they give him free rods and his client's
Speaker 5: fish with them all day or whatever. So I mean
Speaker 5: there's just I mean I could do that, or I
Speaker 5: have a pretty good degree. I could have gone to
Speaker 5: Dallas and worked for a company that you know sells
Speaker 5: wealthy people financial advising plans or whatever, you know, like
Speaker 5: whatever it might have been. But I mean, you gotta
Speaker 5: do something. And I feel extremely blessed to just be able.
Speaker 4: To to hunt so much.
Speaker 5: I can't I can actually I can remember one of
Speaker 5: the first days after uh we started working for Meat Eater,
Speaker 5: and me and k C were walking around and the
Speaker 5: guys are with us, and we're walking around in the woods,
Speaker 5: uh trying to shoot a pig spot and stalk down
Speaker 5: in just our home, you know, woods, just in the
Speaker 5: river bottoms, And I like, it was like Tuesday, and
Speaker 5: I told Case, I was like, I can't believe.
Speaker 4: It's kind of the first time.
Speaker 5: I've been striving to do something as an entrepreneur for
Speaker 5: a long time and been we lived very poor for
Speaker 5: a long time, and I can't believe him walking around
Speaker 5: in the woods right now hunting pigs, and like, that's
Speaker 5: kind of my job, you know. It's like it's it
Speaker 5: doesn't even It's never felt like I could tell somebody honestly,
Speaker 5: like that's what I do for a living, and all
Speaker 5: of a sudden it changed, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And I could say if somebody asked me, well, what
Speaker 5: are y'all doing today, Well, we're gonna go hunt pigs,
Speaker 5: and it's like, and that's what I'm supposed to do.
Speaker 5: That's like how I work, you know. And I couldn't
Speaker 5: believe it, man, Like I said, I don't feel I mean,
Speaker 5: I've certainly worked hard, but at a lot of fellers
Speaker 5: out there work hard, man, you know. I feel extremely
Speaker 5: blessed to be able to do what I'm doing. And
Speaker 5: as far as the media side of things go, man,
Speaker 5: it's a tough line and we are constantly of like
Speaker 5: changing and figuring out how to do it to the
Speaker 5: best of our ability. Where you do things that people
Speaker 5: are interested in, people want to see, but you also
Speaker 5: try to show a positive light into the hunting world.
Speaker 5: But you also want to show a realistic light, right.
Speaker 5: I mean, not every deer dies quickly, man, you know,
Speaker 5: and we all know that, but people that are new
Speaker 5: hunters or anti hunters don't know that sometimes. And what
Speaker 5: they also don't think about maybe is that in nature,
Speaker 5: those deer don't die quick either, you know, like whether
Speaker 5: we're hunting them or not. So it's just a it's
Speaker 5: a hard thing to to contemplate and to understand. I
Speaker 5: think that's kind of my two sens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's like a right way and wrong way
Speaker 1: of doing it.
Speaker 3: Just with about you hear, anything you're going to do,
Speaker 3: you know, and and I think that first off, if
Speaker 3: you're going to set out to do something, you should
Speaker 3: have the best intentions, uh in what you do.
Speaker 1: And and just to.
Speaker 3: Uh, if you don't mind me speaking freely on your podcast,
Speaker 3: you know, Tyler and I our desires to glorify God
Speaker 3: with what we do, and not everybody believes that, and
Speaker 3: that's fine. Uh, but like so through our desire with
Speaker 3: doing that, we're going to do our best, We're going
Speaker 3: to fail because we're humans.
Speaker 1: And that's like the human condition, right, medium sized.
Speaker 3: Humans, medium just the medium humans here.
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, so like if you set out
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 3: Intention, I think that at least through most people besides
Speaker 3: the ones that are just out to get you, it's
Speaker 3: perceived as genuine.
Speaker 1: And that's what I try to do and stuff, you know.
Speaker 2: And and I also am a free market capitalist, so
Speaker 2: I feel like this stuff is not gonna Like if
Speaker 2: we are making hunting videos and it's gonna and it
Speaker 2: still perpetuates.
Speaker 1: You know, then it's good.
Speaker 3: If it ain't, and if it doesn't, it's gonna cease
Speaker 3: to exist. And I don't want the government or any
Speaker 3: entity telling us we can or can't do none of
Speaker 3: this stuff, uh, just because it you know, it bothers
Speaker 3: somebody's feelings, you know, honestly, like, if we do our
Speaker 3: job and portray this stuff in the right way, it's
Speaker 3: gonna produce two things. It's gonna produce more people who
Speaker 3: are in supportive hunting, and it's gonna produce a higher
Speaker 3: demand for hunting access and opportunities. And if your government
Speaker 3: didn't hate you, then you would have they would see
Speaker 3: that you want more opportunity. So, you know, like the
Speaker 3: people who are yelling about the fact that we're shining
Speaker 3: light on maybe public lands and public lands are too busy,
Speaker 3: and it's like, well, don't get mad at us. Tell
Speaker 3: the powers of be to open up more ground, you know,
Speaker 3: like that stuff. That's the result we should strive for.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's a little two soap boxing. Sorry about that,
Speaker 3: but I get fired up.
Speaker 2: No, No, I mean that's that's what I wanted to hear,
Speaker 2: because you know, I think I think it's a point
Speaker 2: of introspection that anybody that's involved in social media, out
Speaker 2: outdoor media in any way, we have to evaluate why
Speaker 2: we're doing what we're doing. Yeah, because I think it's important.
Speaker 2: Motivations are are very important. Motivations are more important in
Speaker 2: many ways than than anything. It's like, why we're doing
Speaker 2: what we're doing. And so as I've heard some of
Speaker 2: this stuff from you know, from different groups and different
Speaker 2: people just about it's kind of like just saying the
Speaker 2: things you've you've said there, that that social media influencers
Speaker 2: are drawing all this attention to hunting and public land
Speaker 2: and artificially recruiting new people.
Speaker 1: That's overcrowding and all this stuff.
Speaker 2: And uh yeah, man, I mean I could, I could
Speaker 2: go on and on, but but I think it's good
Speaker 2: to hear stuff like that and consider just like, Okay,
Speaker 2: are they right?
Speaker 1: Like do they have rational arguments that make sense?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And uh or do you know questioning do they? And
Speaker 2: most of what I've heard to me really doesn't add up.
Speaker 2: It's like, man, if we just don't talk about our
Speaker 2: hunting and hide, we we have lost pace with the
Speaker 2: with the age, and and we will are we will
Speaker 2: die off and fade away as the trend of modern
Speaker 2: bias and modern ideas just overtakes. And it's like we've
Speaker 2: we've everything, every every single industry, every single one from
Speaker 2: bicycling to four wheeling too, to tennis and golf and knitting,
Speaker 2: and everything has media, and that media has influencers people
Speaker 2: that are at the forefront of that industry, and all
Speaker 2: those people are are fueled by the financial side of
Speaker 2: that business. And so it's kind of like, don't hate
Speaker 2: the player, hate the game cases capitalism.
Speaker 1: It's like, this is just the way this works.
Speaker 2: And I like what you said about us putting demand
Speaker 2: on the system for more access. Now, you know, there's
Speaker 2: all kind of there's no right answer to anything. I mean, inevitably,
Speaker 2: popularity and hunting has caused land to be leased that
Speaker 2: was never leased before. It's causing excess recreational land prices
Speaker 2: and all this stuff. And it's like, if we hadn't
Speaker 2: talked about hunting, do you think that would be any different?
Speaker 1: And anyway, I just think it's not.
Speaker 2: But you know, man, like the sister of pride is envy,
Speaker 2: and that's the thing that gets a lot of people
Speaker 2: and a lot of times these these you know, squeaky
Speaker 2: wheels are in envious of whatever things may be.
Speaker 3: You know, we can I'll just allude to things. But
Speaker 3: there's a great story, the greatest story that was ever told. Right,
Speaker 3: there was a creator and then there was an impersonator,
Speaker 3: and that impersonator still works hard every day and it's
Speaker 3: just furious that it cannot be supreme being right. So
Speaker 3: like that, you run into that and it's played out
Speaker 3: again and again and again in so many facets where
Speaker 3: a lot of the times I'm not saying all the
Speaker 3: time because like you said, there are some rational arguments
Speaker 3: to be made about this stuff. That the person who
Speaker 3: is whining about stuff is envious of the other position
Speaker 3: that the other people are in and they're mad that
Speaker 3: they can't do that and they want it their way
Speaker 3: and it doesn't work.
Speaker 5: Well, I can say this too. I've been there, man,
Speaker 5: you know, like and I've been We all know, man,
Speaker 5: that of the three of us, I'm the worst, you know.
Speaker 5: So I'm just you know, so I've been there, man,
Speaker 5: and and and you know we're we also, the three
Speaker 5: of us believe we shouldn't be grumbling and complaining about stuff,
Speaker 5: but we do it at times, you know.
Speaker 4: And and I.
Speaker 5: Think that hopefully if there's a message that could come
Speaker 5: through this too from me that's just said, everybody could
Speaker 5: have a little more grace with each other, because man,
Speaker 5: I mean just you know, there's this think about this, man,
Speaker 5: when you were when I was eighteen, I thought it'd
Speaker 5: be so cool to be you know, on TV hunting right,
Speaker 5: watching some Monster Bucks, you know, being like, man, what
Speaker 5: if I could go do that, you know, sitting a tree,
Speaker 5: standing on the edge of them, you know, field wheat,
Speaker 5: feel with corn on the edge of it or whatever,
Speaker 5: and just shoot a big old monster, Like that's what
Speaker 5: you thought was cool. And I think, man, you got
Speaker 5: to look at some of these, you know what Clay
Speaker 5: you're saying as an influencer, and sometimes they're twenty year olds, man,
Speaker 5: And and I'm, you know, in my mid thirties, and
Speaker 5: there's guys like Steve that are older than that. And
Speaker 5: there's guys that are in their seventies that it's still
Speaker 5: on TV, you know, and doing things. And I think
Speaker 5: that as a guy who's probably on the younger end
Speaker 5: of the spectrum, but one that's not a twenty year old,
Speaker 5: I can say, like, you know, my priorities have changed.
Speaker 5: What I want out of this has changed a lot
Speaker 5: since I was twenty or even since I was maybe
Speaker 5: you know, twenty nine or thirty. And so I think
Speaker 5: just to have some grace with those people to understand, hey,
Speaker 5: you know, they got a chance to grow up. Give
Speaker 5: them some grace and let them, you know, let them
Speaker 5: pan out and see if maybe they're not so dumb
Speaker 5: when they hit their thirties, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: So and then I'm sure Steve's saying the same thing
Speaker 5: about me, you know, or whatever. But it just that's
Speaker 5: the thing, man, It's just everybody gotta got to understand. Man,
Speaker 5: we all have some bad tendencies and not everybody's trying to,
Speaker 5: you know, be bad that a lot of them are
Speaker 5: a lot of people are trying to be a little
Speaker 5: bit better as they go and they grow, you know.
Speaker 1: So and here's I'm going to take this a different
Speaker 1: direction just to.
Speaker 3: Kind of, you know, maybe appease those who got a
Speaker 3: little outlaw in them, you know, like a lot of
Speaker 3: us do.
Speaker 1: There comes a point note that I'm recording this whole thing.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 3: I hope you will leave me knowledge y'all come and
Speaker 3: take it as we say. Here's the deal, man, is
Speaker 3: I love what we do enough, not the media side
Speaker 3: of it, but the hunting side of it. And we're
Speaker 3: talking about how media affects hunting, right. I never want
Speaker 3: to sabotage what we're doing. I want it to be
Speaker 3: something that perpetuates until it can't no more. And so
Speaker 3: like I want my kids, my grandkids, all that to
Speaker 3: be able to go out and enjoy the outdoors the
Speaker 3: way that we do. And at some point in time
Speaker 3: there there may be and there could be, there are
Speaker 3: people out there currently that would have that taken away,
Speaker 3: not because we're making videos, not because you know, they
Speaker 3: just don't understand our way of life, but just because
Speaker 3: they don't like the fact that we kill animals. And
Speaker 3: if that ever grows, and that's going to happen, whether
Speaker 3: or not we make videos about it, right, there will
Speaker 3: come up there. There could come a time and I
Speaker 3: am willing to do it to become I would become
Speaker 3: a so called poacher if need be.
Speaker 1: Let's go, you.
Speaker 2: Know, and I want to be on Clay's podcast as
Speaker 2: much as possible.
Speaker 3: But hear me out, not in the sense of the
Speaker 3: word that we understand it. But the only difference in
Speaker 3: poaching and hunting is a law and maybe like a
Speaker 3: sense of morality in one's own personal ethics, right, but
Speaker 3: it just stick with me for a second, like suddenly,
Speaker 3: if they made it illegal to hunt white till deer
Speaker 3: where I live, like exclusively, if you just cannot hunt them,
Speaker 3: I don't know if I would be a law abiding citizen.
Speaker 3: You get what I'm saying, So like, I care about
Speaker 3: it that much, but I'm gonna do everything I can
Speaker 3: to not ever see that become a reality.
Speaker 4: Clay, I hope you don't get too many messages.
Speaker 1: I love to say controversy things.
Speaker 3: And it's not because because I desire controversy, it's just
Speaker 3: who I am.
Speaker 2: Well, And I think what you're saying there is something
Speaker 2: that a lot of people have probably thought about, Yeah,
Speaker 2: is like where does where does this thing? And we're
Speaker 2: a long think think goodness that we're a long ways
Speaker 2: from that. And and if we and I and I
Speaker 2: feel like if we do our job, and and really
Speaker 2: I feel like we're part of of a revolution that has,
Speaker 2: let's go where we're going culminating really a revolution in
Speaker 2: in the ideology and communication around hunting that that we are.
Speaker 2: We've just got so much rational, common sense goodness and
Speaker 2: civil wonderful things that happen and services that are provided
Speaker 2: to the world by hunting and through the dollars of hunters,
Speaker 2: that it's just it's just hard to even argue that
Speaker 2: this is not a very positive thing for our society
Speaker 2: and our country.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's.
Speaker 2: Like, uh so that's that's our trajectory, you know, But
Speaker 2: we also have to, like any rational person, assessment the
Speaker 2: situation and say, what could happen you know, a generation
Speaker 2: from now or twenty years from now, or or or
Speaker 2: you know, what if this happened?
Speaker 1: What if that happened?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's where what you're saying is
Speaker 2: that there comes a point when this violates almost like
Speaker 2: civil liberty exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's an infamy say that you can't do this.
Speaker 2: There's infamous quote that says that there comes a point
Speaker 2: in time where reasonable men are driven to do unreasonable things, right,
Speaker 2: and I don't desire that by any means, So let
Speaker 2: me make Yeah, and clearly you're not saying, you know,
Speaker 2: break reasonable game laws that have been set that's right
Speaker 2: by agencies that are for us, not against us, which
Speaker 2: is I mean, I believe exclusively true across the board
Speaker 2: ninety nine percent of the time, you know, And I
Speaker 2: think that's the way we've got to believe is that
Speaker 2: you know, the agencies that are running our game departments
Speaker 2: in each state ultimately have the resource of mind and
Speaker 2: our traditions in mind, and and you know there's that
Speaker 2: could be scrutinized in small cases, I'm sure.
Speaker 5: But I mean back to the media thing, you know,
Speaker 5: if it is, if it is creating more hunters and
Speaker 5: that kind of thing. I mean, that's what you want, right,
Speaker 5: You want numbers of people saying, hey, you don't need
Speaker 5: to take this away.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It goes back to the whole like, hey, give
Speaker 1: more access.
Speaker 3: If you have more hunters, you should be generating more
Speaker 3: dollars with your dollars.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, And and I think if hunting means as much,
Speaker 1: if hunting really means as much to us as we
Speaker 1: say that it does, then it's been invaluable inside of
Speaker 1: our life us wanting to share that with the world
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense too. And and and.
Speaker 2: As places, you know, it's possible you could go to
Speaker 2: your public land spot and there'll be more people than
Speaker 2: there were five years ago there.
Speaker 1: That's possible. Yeah, And you hear about that a lot.
Speaker 2: But I also hear from a lot of people that
Speaker 2: are like, man, I hadn't seen anybody where I hunt
Speaker 2: in years.
Speaker 1: I mean I do not not all over the country.
Speaker 1: I mean, it just matters who you talk to.
Speaker 2: And sometimes the squeaky wheel is the one that gets
Speaker 2: the tension, gets the drama.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of great There's a lot of great.
Speaker 2: Hunting left and and and in a lot of places.
Speaker 2: And anyway, I think the more people we have, the better. Yea,
Speaker 2: there's like I just wanted to ask you guys about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sorry, you're like, hey, guys, we're talking about this
Speaker 1: too much.
Speaker 3: But there is a generality of like, hey, if you
Speaker 3: don't like a certain situation, then work harder to improve
Speaker 3: your personal situation, you know, And you can go down
Speaker 3: to just the basis of like public land hunting, right Like,
Speaker 3: whenever I see, like if I encounter people on public ground,
Speaker 3: I'm like, not mad at them, I'm mad at myself
Speaker 3: because I'm like, well, I'm not smart enough. I haven't
Speaker 3: learned enough lessons to say, hey, there was gonna be
Speaker 3: a dude there.
Speaker 1: You know, I need to go deeper. I need to
Speaker 1: be smarter. I need to be more cunning in my methods.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: So it's like you just gotta, uh, you know, realize
Speaker 2: that when you're pointing a finger, you got a couple
Speaker 2: pointing back, you know, like you got to you gotta
Speaker 2: just work on yourself, because that's the thing you have
Speaker 2: the most control over.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Man, well I miss on this latest Deer Stories episode. Well,
Speaker 2: actually on both. So we're right in the middle of
Speaker 2: a series on deer Stories, which is one of my
Speaker 2: favorite series we do every year on Bear Grease and
Speaker 2: But I go around and collect stories from God and
Speaker 2: it's a lot of fun because it's kind of like
Speaker 2: homecoming in some way. I mean, I'm going and visiting
Speaker 2: all these people that I know, and uh, most of
Speaker 2: the stories I collect in persons, some of them, some
Speaker 2: of them I don't, but uh, we've had I made
Speaker 2: it a point this year to include several dog hunting stories,
Speaker 2: which is a very small subset of white tail hunters.
Speaker 1: So this is kind of like little hunters.
Speaker 3: Can you when you say dog hunting, are you talking
Speaker 3: about something that is publicly publicly perceived positively or negatively?
Speaker 2: Here, Like, well, I'm not following the joke, Casey.
Speaker 3: You're not saying that a person goes into the woods
Speaker 3: in pursuit of a canine, right, You're talking about something.
Speaker 1: Where dogs to chase deer.
Speaker 3: Oh oh yeah, so yeah, Okay, is that still legal
Speaker 3: in Arkansas?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2: It's it's legal in uh multiple states. Yeah, but actually
Speaker 2: very a very small percentage of hunting land in the
Speaker 2: US is it legal to pursue white tailed deer with
Speaker 2: the use of hounds, with the use of dogs, And
Speaker 2: where I grew up it to this day it's still
Speaker 2: legal to run hounds. And and I didn't know there
Speaker 2: was any place that it wasn't, you know, until I
Speaker 2: became an adult and I was like, oh, wow, this
Speaker 2: is actually really unique and special and and the oh
Speaker 2: it's a it's a fascinating group of people that are
Speaker 2: dog hunters, and they I would I would I would
Speaker 2: say they have received an incredibly small amount of publicity
Speaker 2: in all of the reporting on whitetail hunting. Ever, I mean,
Speaker 2: really it's just like, go show me a sink, you know,
Speaker 2: a mainstream video of a deer hunt with dogs. I
Speaker 2: don't think I've ever seen it, you know, I never saw,
Speaker 2: you know, any of the big names deer hunting with
Speaker 2: dogs and all this.
Speaker 1: And there's reasons for that.
Speaker 2: But these guys, when you meet him and talk to
Speaker 2: them and you really understand the way they think about things,
Speaker 2: they're as serious about white tails as you guys are.
Speaker 1: I mean, they are.
Speaker 2: I mean, without question, their energy is just placed in
Speaker 2: a different way inside of hunting, and and so on.
Speaker 2: This last series, well, in this series, I've had multiple
Speaker 2: dog stories and you know what, it's I love I
Speaker 2: love this so much. I want to just like make
Speaker 2: t shirts about it and tell everybody. But you know,
Speaker 2: the dog hunters look at still hunters and think that
Speaker 2: sometimes think they aren't sportsmanlike. They're like, it's not sportsmanlike
Speaker 2: to just sneak up on one and thump it in
Speaker 2: the head.
Speaker 5: Well, we usually honk the horn or something warning when
Speaker 5: we go out, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like Kevin Murphy, like Stephen ellis buddy, my buddy,
Speaker 2: Kevin Murphy, who when he squirrel hunts, he blows us
Speaker 2: horn before he turns the dogs loose, just to warn
Speaker 2: the wildlife.
Speaker 1: Here we come. Let him know. I mean, uh.
Speaker 2: Stony Edwards, Stoney Edwards had a little part in his
Speaker 2: last story, and man, it was my fault that it
Speaker 2: wasn't included. It was a it was actually an editing error.
Speaker 2: It happens at bear Grease occasionally. It was my fault.
Speaker 2: I had about a two minute segment in there where
Speaker 2: he was talking about the way he views sportsmanship and
Speaker 2: hunting with dogs, and and he was like, man, this
Speaker 2: is the most primitive way on earth the hunted deer.
Speaker 2: And he said, this is, uh, it's really difficult. He's like,
Speaker 2: if we want to just kill a bunch of deer,
Speaker 2: we wouldn't be using dogs. And uh, those guys, oh,
Speaker 2: without a doubt.
Speaker 1: I mean, he said, we'd go sit in tree stands
Speaker 1: if we want to kill a bunch of deer, you know.
Speaker 2: And but they, you know, they they love their dogs.
Speaker 2: They understand deer. Holy cow, you want to learn something
Speaker 2: about deer and where they go and where they travel.
Speaker 1: Put a deer, put put some dogs behind them.
Speaker 3: Is that seeing from like the you know, the English
Speaker 3: fox trials and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: You know that if I'm you know a lot, I
Speaker 1: mean yeah, I mean those go ahead.
Speaker 2: Most of the hound traditions in the US. You could trace
Speaker 2: them back pretty easily, back to our European traditions, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: They they ran red stag and wild boar, they ran
Speaker 2: everything with hounds over there. I mean back in those days,
Speaker 2: hunting meant you had hounds. And so a lot of
Speaker 2: these families, whether they be bear hunters or deer dog
Speaker 2: guys have deep, deep roots that go probably without skipping
Speaker 2: a generation, some of them all the way back to.
Speaker 1: To those roots across in Europe.
Speaker 2: I mean, no doubt and uh and uh, and that
Speaker 2: love of hounds and pursuit is still there and I
Speaker 2: love it. And I mean I'm not a big I
Speaker 2: don't own deer dogs. I've killed a few deer in
Speaker 2: front of dogs, but it's like not something I personally
Speaker 2: am gonna go do all the time. But I am
Speaker 2: passionate about telling those guys story and letting them tell
Speaker 2: their story. But with the point of it being because
Speaker 2: on this last episode there was a dog story by
Speaker 2: Stony Edwards and then the very last story, which to
Speaker 2: me was the most I really enjoyed. It was from
Speaker 2: a man that has been a heavy influence in my hunting,
Speaker 2: a man named David Albright, who he tells a story
Speaker 2: about killing a about one hundred and fifty five inch
Speaker 2: deer on public land with a traditional bow he made himself.
Speaker 2: And that's like normal for him, like he's been making
Speaker 2: his own bows and hunting on public land for most
Speaker 2: well for the last thirty five years or so or
Speaker 2: forty years. But I told these two stories side by side,
Speaker 2: deer hunting with dogs, and then a traditional bowler who's
Speaker 2: hunting out of tree stands, making his own bows, hunting
Speaker 2: deer just on public land. And I said, in the
Speaker 2: spectrum of deer hunting, these two guys couldn't be further
Speaker 2: opposite each other. They really couldn't. I mean, could you
Speaker 2: think of a more extreme two ways to hunt white tails?
Speaker 2: I mean, because hunting with traditional primitive equipment is like
Speaker 2: the most primitive, self imposed limitation method of hunting white
Speaker 2: tailed deer possible. I mean, perhaps an addle addle where
Speaker 2: it's legal. I think the Missouri you can use an
Speaker 2: addle addle like that would be more primitive. And then
Speaker 2: on the other extreme, I mean, I would argued hunting
Speaker 2: with dogs is extremely primitive, but it would be using
Speaker 2: a whole different set of metrics to kill a deer.
Speaker 2: And at my point was these guys are You might
Speaker 2: say they are on opposites and they're not alike, but
Speaker 2: I said, these guys are like fraternal twins. These guys
Speaker 2: are way more alike than they are different. Like if
Speaker 2: you just if you just canvassed planet Earth and all
Speaker 2: the diverse things that people do with their life, it's
Speaker 2: like some people are golfers. Some people watch television that's
Speaker 2: all they do. Some people are insurance agents and enjoy uh,
Speaker 2: you know, going on the lake and skiing. Uh, like
Speaker 2: of all the diverse interests, David Albright and Stony Edwards
Speaker 2: are almost they're they're twins, fraternal twins, Like they have
Speaker 2: way more in common then they have differences, even though
Speaker 2: if you got them, you know that they might be
Speaker 2: seemed like they were different. The whole point of it
Speaker 2: was there's power in us sticking together.
Speaker 5: Sure, real power. Yeah, yeah, it's I mean functional. We
Speaker 5: gotta we gotta understand that, you know, they're instead of
Speaker 5: looking for the differences and said, I'll say it about
Speaker 5: myself as much as anybody, but a lot of people,
Speaker 5: including me, at times, like to look for things that
Speaker 5: are negative or complain about things, right uh casey and
Speaker 5: I call it the farmer and the Coyote complex, where
Speaker 5: the farmer if he ever, if he ever actually kills
Speaker 5: that kyote, he doesn't have anything complain about anymore, So
Speaker 5: he doesn't go get to go to the cafe and talk.
Speaker 5: He doesn't really have a whole lot to say, so
Speaker 5: he always misses the kyote kind of on purpose.
Speaker 1: You know, couldn't my gun wasn't miss fire.
Speaker 5: You know, I couldn't get my gun out of my
Speaker 5: truck quick enough, you know, or whatever. And and uh,
Speaker 5: I think that's what generally, uh, you know, humanity likes
Speaker 5: to complain a little bit. You If you were to
Speaker 5: listen to any popular song, I bet you eighty percent
Speaker 5: of them are complaining songs, you know, especially in country.
Speaker 5: And Uh, anyway, I think that we should, uh, we
Speaker 5: should definitely just be emphatic about your statement there that uh,
Speaker 5: maybe we're more alive with each other sometimes, and we
Speaker 5: think and we should try to emphasize the things that
Speaker 5: we like about people and focus on those things when
Speaker 5: we talk about people, rather than talk about their negatives.
Speaker 5: And again, I am in that discussion a lot. So
Speaker 5: it's something I'm learning to do better, for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that is real.
Speaker 2: It's easy to talk about something like this, but to me,
Speaker 2: where the rubber hits the road and it functionalizes, it's
Speaker 2: easy for me for us three to sit here and
Speaker 2: be on our high horse talking about, you know, unification
Speaker 2: of the hunting community. It's another thing when I go
Speaker 2: out and this recorder isn't working and I'm talking to
Speaker 2: my sons and I'm talking to just other people in camps,
Speaker 2: and it's like I have to have that attitude all
Speaker 2: the time. And that means when I'm out bow hunting
Speaker 2: on public land over here and a pack of deer
Speaker 2: dogs runs by me and messes up my hunt, I
Speaker 2: have to just be like, hey, man, they got me
Speaker 2: this time, but you know next time, I bet they won't.
Speaker 2: And you know, those guys had a good time because
Speaker 2: of that. I mean, I have to actually have ideology
Speaker 2: that that reflects.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, actually take, Yeah, there's a give
Speaker 3: and take color's pointed out grace too. You know, it's like, hey,
Speaker 3: those guys didn't have mal intent to mess up your hunt,
Speaker 3: so you know, like yeah, it's it's it's cool to
Speaker 3: be frustrated or whatever, you know, but like you shouldn't
Speaker 3: just want to just you know, bring.
Speaker 1: Them harm into what they're doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I talked on the podcast about traditional
Speaker 2: use practices, and I I really have a strong belief
Speaker 2: in inside of hunting, inside of a general conservation plan
Speaker 2: that is beneficial for the resource, but including traditional use
Speaker 2: practices as a major a major thing and making loss.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like, I think it would be a
Speaker 2: massive crime if in thirty years from now you couldn't
Speaker 2: run deer with dogs in the United States.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not because I love to do it.
Speaker 2: It's a philosophical position.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I asked you a question about that.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, I come from a traditional use practice culture
Speaker 2: of a hog dogging.
Speaker 1: So it's different than running than deer with dogs.
Speaker 3: But you know, you're familiar with it's baying hogs with dogs,
Speaker 3: and I grew up doing it.
Speaker 1: A lot of guys doing it in different ways.
Speaker 3: But there's a gruesome nature to some of it, and
Speaker 3: I would I would definitely this and this kind of
Speaker 3: ties the media thing together with what you're talking about
Speaker 3: with with you know, deer dogs and stuff like I would,
Speaker 3: I for sure would say that there are things that
Speaker 3: happen when you're running hogs with dogs that doesn't need
Speaker 3: to make the light of day for most individuals. And
Speaker 3: I would even go so far as to say that
Speaker 3: there are publications, whether it be you know, private or commercialized.
Speaker 3: I'm not really I don't want to say what, but
Speaker 3: just videos have come out that I believe have hurt
Speaker 3: the image of hog hunting with dogs just because it
Speaker 3: is not a It ain't for the faint of heart,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Sure, So like there is
Speaker 3: there a way where, you know, the publicizing hunting deer
Speaker 3: with dogs has a similar effect.
Speaker 2: Right right, That's a good question. And I don't think
Speaker 2: there's the right answer. I think guys might just have opinions.
Speaker 2: But I was confronted with this big time with the
Speaker 2: bear bear hound hunting community ten years ago when I
Speaker 2: was running Bear Hunting magazine and we began to highlight
Speaker 2: bear hunting with hounds more than it had ever been
Speaker 2: highlighted nationally, and there was some group of people that
Speaker 2: I felt like, we're upset with us for showing something
Speaker 2: that had kind of been under the radars, so to speak.
Speaker 2: And in my philosophy was we have to tell our
Speaker 2: Let us be the the storyteller of our lives and
Speaker 2: our story and our passion, because if we don't tell
Speaker 2: the story, somebody else will. That is not a license
Speaker 2: to put anything and everything on television or on the YouTube.
Speaker 1: There's there's parts of hunting, just like there's parts of life.
Speaker 1: There's like parts of your life that you don't want
Speaker 1: to broadcast to the world. Yep uh, that are that
Speaker 1: are private, that are ugly.
Speaker 2: That so, I mean, I think it just goes back
Speaker 2: to you talking harshly about my life here claik.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it ain't pretty casey.
Speaker 2: We all know it now they so, yeah, do I
Speaker 2: think they need to be putting a bunch of bay
Speaker 2: ups and and and stuff on the internet. I'm a
Speaker 2: little bit undecided, to be honest with you, because I
Speaker 2: think that I think definitely there's some things that that
Speaker 2: that shouldn't But should we completely hide that, I don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't know, because our society there was a time
Speaker 2: when that would have just been known that that's the
Speaker 2: way the natural world worked, is that the natural world
Speaker 2: has a has a component, a a god given component
Speaker 2: of brutality inside of it, and.
Speaker 1: As we handle that little part of it.
Speaker 2: And people do have a big problem with humans being
Speaker 2: involved in anything like that. Like they can watch a
Speaker 2: lion like mall and pull the guts out of a
Speaker 2: living gazelle and it's like not a problem for them,
Speaker 2: But if they watched a person release a dog that
Speaker 2: bays a hog, which is not nearly as brutal, you know,
Speaker 2: they might have problems with it, and so you know,
Speaker 2: that's that's a it's a tough one. But at the
Speaker 2: same time, what what what I think we have to
Speaker 2: say is that what we're doing inside of hunting is
Speaker 2: highly regulated, highly backed by science, highly backed by a ethos.
Speaker 2: Inside the hunting community in general, there's always bad apples.
Speaker 2: There's always guys that are going to break the rules,
Speaker 2: there's always outlaws. There's always going to be people in tennis,
Speaker 2: in golf, in jet skiing and hunting that are gonna
Speaker 2: make us look bad. But in general, the hunting community
Speaker 2: is trying to be as absolutely humane as possible in
Speaker 2: everything that we do. We're trying to make ethical shots.
Speaker 2: We're trying to take down animals quick and clean kills.
Speaker 2: We're trying to minimize any amount of suffering for anything.
Speaker 2: Always we always do, but sometimes that the very nature
Speaker 2: of what we're doing is rough, and I feel like.
Speaker 1: Society just has to be okay with that.
Speaker 2: It needs to trust us inside of that space, because
Speaker 2: I mean, we could get into all the philosophical elements
Speaker 2: of like you see a angus beefsteak on the counter
Speaker 2: at the in the freezer at the grocery store, and
Speaker 2: it's like brother, that animal lived in a tremendous amount
Speaker 2: of trauma on it's life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was. You know, you could talk
Speaker 1: about all the.
Speaker 2: Different things that went into the quality of that animal's
Speaker 2: life versus the quality of life that.
Speaker 1: A deer that we killed had.
Speaker 2: And I mean, I you know, we're gonna win that
Speaker 2: ethical debate that that wild animal had an incredible life
Speaker 2: until it was taken by a hunter, and so hiding
Speaker 2: that brutality that happens at times very minimal. Of all
Speaker 2: the animal kills that I've witnessed in my life, a
Speaker 2: very a small percentage of them have been like that.
Speaker 2: And that's just the truth, and it's not the norm.
Speaker 2: And but I do think a guy's got to have
Speaker 2: good judgment and it helps as we continue to broadcast
Speaker 2: to the world, Hey, we need to be savvy about this.
Speaker 2: We need to be we need to be savvy.
Speaker 3: I'm still working on this theory, but I've got this
Speaker 3: theory that ground meat is going to be the downfall
Speaker 3: of the Western world because it's the it's the first
Speaker 3: transition from the natural state of things that you would
Speaker 3: eat into something that does not resemble what it came from.
Speaker 3: You get what I'm saying, like like it, okay, okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: so like a little bit, a little.
Speaker 1: Bit, I grind a lot of deer meat too. Don't
Speaker 1: get me wrong, I love it.
Speaker 3: But like, uh, I'm gonna tell my wife just a
Speaker 3: little bit, she didn't really like to bite into a
Speaker 3: hunk of steak. She likes ground meat, she doesn't like bones,
Speaker 3: and uh I love her to death, you know, and
Speaker 3: we have two DIFFERENTU.
Speaker 1: Pretty you still love her even though that you're a
Speaker 1: real saint. Yeah. Well, you know, like we have to actually.
Speaker 3: Appreciate the differences of us and our wives because we
Speaker 3: don't want I don't want to actually be married to
Speaker 3: Tyler with people just think we are close, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. Harry legged boys weird me out right.
Speaker 3: So like, uh, I appreciate her some of her you know,
Speaker 3: dainty nature, right, And but at the same time, there's
Speaker 3: this this thing of like, you know, everybody likes to
Speaker 3: criticize tofu or vegan dice or whatever, and it's like, hey,
Speaker 3: you know, like this all kind of started back when
Speaker 3: the first person was like, you know what, let me
Speaker 3: take this meat and chop it up real small and
Speaker 3: make it into something that doesn't look like what it
Speaker 3: was in the field, you know, you know, so.
Speaker 1: This is just still this is still in development.
Speaker 3: But I kind of feel like the burger patty or
Speaker 3: the chicken nugget is kind of like that first thing
Speaker 3: that removes people from the idea that you know, they
Speaker 3: don't they're not actually taking muscular tissue and breaking it down.
Speaker 3: It's already done for them. So it's kind of like
Speaker 3: it's not as real as the original steak.
Speaker 1: Are you are you? Are you grinding shaming people? No?
Speaker 3: Like I said, I'm right, but I think that maybe
Speaker 3: people should have to grind their own meat.
Speaker 1: Well they do when they chew up a steak. Well,
Speaker 1: that's true, but I'm saying those people aren't the people
Speaker 1: who are consuming the ground are aren't you know, doing that?
Speaker 5: Like like, here's my here's my full circle moment right here,
Speaker 5: we're going back to uh kind of the I don't know,
Speaker 5: at the genesis of this thing. You started to kind
Speaker 5: of ask us about how the Mediater thing was going,
Speaker 5: And I think that if there's one huge benefit to
Speaker 5: working for Mediator, there's there's a couple. But this is
Speaker 5: this is one of the one of the major benefits
Speaker 5: is that the balance that you play with in your
Speaker 5: mind at all times as a guy who's creating hunting
Speaker 5: media is like, uh, where is that line? What's the
Speaker 5: line that I shouldn't show?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: So, for instance, with us, you know, early on, uh,
Speaker 5: we thought, well, we're just gonna put out pretty much everything,
Speaker 5: and we're gonna be completely transparent and honest with with
Speaker 5: everything that we video. And then you put out a
Speaker 5: couple of videos where deer die slow or uh you
Speaker 5: may not even recover one that you hit, but you
Speaker 5: got good footage of it because we're both hunting and
Speaker 5: we're twenty yards from these things, you know, and or
Speaker 5: thirty or whatever, and you end up getting a lot
Speaker 5: of hate all of a sudden, you know, and then
Speaker 5: you're like questioning, well, is that the right move?
Speaker 4: Did I do that right?
Speaker 5: Should we do it different next time if that happens,
Speaker 5: you know, if we if we don't get a good,
Speaker 5: clean kill on a deer, should we not show it?
Speaker 5: And then you start going, well, if we don't, you know,
Speaker 5: the income stream that we have at the time starts
Speaker 5: to fade. If we can't get out you know a
Speaker 5: video that month or whatever, you know, just I'm just
Speaker 5: throwing a lot. This is some of this is hypothetical,
Speaker 5: but it is things that we've dealt with here and there.
Speaker 5: And you go through these these things in your mind, right,
Speaker 5: and at the end of the day you're like, man,
Speaker 5: my kids, you know, I can't even afford to take
Speaker 5: them out to dinner at all this month, you know,
Speaker 5: and celebrate a birthday the way I want to or whatever.
Speaker 5: And you kind of just got all these It's a
Speaker 5: bunch of different variables that go on. And I would
Speaker 5: just say that with the meat eater opportunity that we have,
Speaker 5: it helps a lot for to be able to go, Okay,
Speaker 5: what is the most tasteful thing that we should do,
Speaker 5: what is the most what is the best thing for
Speaker 5: hunting that we can put out? And if we end up,
Speaker 5: you know, having something happen that doesn't go the way
Speaker 5: you want it to, which occasionally does go that way,
Speaker 5: if we're all honest about it, you're able to just say,
Speaker 5: you know what, let's just let's just not show that
Speaker 5: because that deer had a huge hole in it or whatever,
Speaker 5: you know, like it may have died quick, but it
Speaker 5: maybe it's really gruesome, you know, or whatever. So you
Speaker 5: just I don't know, and we're always constantly balancing that thing.
Speaker 5: We're trying to learn, we're putting out stuff that maybe
Speaker 5: maybe we shouldn't have, and then we can kind of
Speaker 5: rescind that in the future when something like that similar happens.
Speaker 5: So I guess it's what I'm saying is, uh, you know,
Speaker 5: a lot of these people that are putting out things
Speaker 5: that are pretty distasteful to most people. They probably a
Speaker 5: lot of them are just trying to survive their brand
Speaker 5: and make their brand survive and hopes that you know,
Speaker 5: they'll be able to make a dollar. It's and it's all.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of things to that. So I'm not
Speaker 5: trying to justify for anybody h that's you know, being
Speaker 5: crude or whatever. But I'm just saying there's a lot
Speaker 5: of variables in these questions.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and and that would be probably the the biggest
Speaker 2: point that this group that would be talking negatively about
Speaker 2: the influence of social media and hunting television or not
Speaker 2: that television, but hunting related media. I think that would
Speaker 2: be there maybe a strong point on on their side
Speaker 2: is that sometimes that kind of stuff happens.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it does, man, it does.
Speaker 5: But you know, people get injuries in football too, no
Speaker 5: matter how many regulations they put on it, you know.
Speaker 5: I mean, the world has problems, you know, So we
Speaker 5: just try to do it to the best of our ability.
Speaker 5: And and uh, I like I guess at the end
Speaker 5: of the day, Like what I was saying is just that, Uh,
Speaker 5: it's nice to be able to have the support from
Speaker 5: meat Eater to do what we need to do and
Speaker 5: what's best for the hunting community at all times. It
Speaker 5: definitely just it's a peace of mind as much as
Speaker 5: anything for us.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Man, Well, you know, I think I'm the older I get,
Speaker 2: the more I'm confronted with we will reap the fruit
Speaker 2: of the decisions that we're making right now. There will
Speaker 2: come a time when there will be an evaluation on
Speaker 2: this generation of hunters' lives, just like there's been massive
Speaker 2: evaluation done on the market hunters. Daniel Boone and Crockett
Speaker 2: and all these guys. It's like, man, in the moment,
Speaker 2: what they did made perfect sense, and it's hard to
Speaker 2: even for them to to fathom that they would have
Speaker 2: had the foresight to know that what they were doing
Speaker 2: was ultimately leading to massive destruction. But now it's like
Speaker 2: so easy, Like you don't even have to It's not
Speaker 2: you don't even have to convince someone. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: market Honting was really bad.
Speaker 1: And and we.
Speaker 2: Can look back at all the generations and find faults
Speaker 2: with the way that they did things.
Speaker 1: And one day generations will look back at.
Speaker 2: Us and they'll say, what did the people do that
Speaker 2: started with, you know, the first hunters that encountered social
Speaker 2: media and YouTube and a global audience.
Speaker 1: Like what did they do?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, well man, And where's the line between what you
Speaker 5: believe and what is culturally acceptable and pandering to that?
Speaker 5: You know, Like that's a hard line to draw. What
Speaker 5: do you you know? Because as you know, Clay, not
Speaker 5: everybody believes like you.
Speaker 4: You know, and and uh, there's.
Speaker 1: Probably actually about scent control.
Speaker 4: There's a small segment you know or whatever.
Speaker 5: But you know, I guess you have to that's a
Speaker 5: thing you have to understand, try to understand better as
Speaker 5: we go through this. And it's a it's a frontier right, yeah,
Speaker 5: what we're at right now.
Speaker 1: That's a great point too.
Speaker 3: And here's the other deal too, is like we're doing
Speaker 3: the best we can with the information that we have
Speaker 3: currently and that stuff changes. It's like you were saying,
Speaker 3: you know, with Boon and them guys, like market hunting
Speaker 3: worked then, and you know what it could have sustained
Speaker 3: if a ton of other variables went a different direction too,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like I get the population
Speaker 3: the US is higher at the moment, but like there
Speaker 3: was a gazillion buffalo on the landscape and now there's
Speaker 3: a gazillion cows, you know, so it's like that probably
Speaker 3: doesn't work. The math didn't work out perfect. But you
Speaker 3: get what I'm saying is it's like I think I
Speaker 3: see what you're saying. It's not that what they did
Speaker 3: directly lead to some bad stuff, but it's the extenuating
Speaker 3: so circumstances that are beyond the control of this certain
Speaker 3: individual that actually writes history.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: So like if there has to be a scapegoat.
Speaker 1: Somebody otherwise, you know, you have to look in the mirror,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: And that's that nobody wants to do that, that's right,
Speaker 3: these gray hairs, man. But you know, it's a essentially
Speaker 3: it's like what you're saying, Man, there's a lot of
Speaker 3: variables and we just have to do the best that
Speaker 3: we know to do.
Speaker 1: And that just be what we focus on. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think one of.
Speaker 2: The there's all kind of there's all kind of bright
Speaker 2: spots inside of where we're at with wildlife in North America.
Speaker 1: I mean, incredible bright spots.
Speaker 2: We talked about how we are in the heyday of
Speaker 2: white tailed deer.
Speaker 1: Hunting and that that that doesn't come for me.
Speaker 2: I was in at an event with Kip Adams of
Speaker 2: the National Deer Association, and I mean, basically that's what
Speaker 2: he said. I mean, when you look at all the
Speaker 2: factors and the amount of deer, the number of big deer,
Speaker 2: the amount of access that people have, it's like we're
Speaker 2: in the heyday of white tailed deer.
Speaker 1: Honey.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm I'm I know, like the bigger deer
Speaker 2: that I've killed in my life at one time was
Speaker 2: kind of a big deal even regionally to me, and
Speaker 2: today it's like, kylie, I mean, one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: inch deer is just like fairly common. And I'm telling you,
Speaker 2: twenty five years ago they were not. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 2: we're in the heyday. There's a lot of really bright
Speaker 2: spots inside of hunting. There's also a lot of very
Speaker 2: real existential threats to the long term sustainability of what
Speaker 2: we do.
Speaker 1: And I think that's why we just have to work
Speaker 1: to show the.
Speaker 2: To show the best side of hunting, to have intelligent
Speaker 2: arguments for the reason we do things that we do,
Speaker 2: but also tell the story of the culture of hunting
Speaker 2: and how this is really a part of who we
Speaker 2: are as Americans is the ability to hunt. And we
Speaker 2: got to tell this human story. And I feel like
Speaker 2: that's what we're trying to do at Bear Grease is
Speaker 2: tell the human and cultural story of hunting and its
Speaker 2: significance aside from and and it's like, yeah, there's a
Speaker 2: lot behind this that's powerful, And I think that carves
Speaker 2: a space in society, like someone might be able to
Speaker 2: listen to some of our stories and understand hunting maybe
Speaker 2: like they never have before, Like they understand Okay, now
Speaker 2: I kind of see why they do that. And and
Speaker 2: and I think that's important. But yeah, a lot of
Speaker 2: a lot of threats, but also a lot of bright spots, and.
Speaker 1: You're one of them. Man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Man, we're we're glads that you're leading this ship man,
Speaker 5: and we were very appreciative to have you as uh
Speaker 5: it's not just a friend, but also somebody that we
Speaker 5: get to work with towards the same kind of goals.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: Shoot, man, I appreciate it. I appreciate it. I just
Speaker 1: need to go back hunting with you guys again. Come on,
Speaker 1: we've been talking about this a little bit.
Speaker 3: You got all busy with some interesting stuff you got
Speaker 3: going on. But I know there's some hate. Just you know,
Speaker 3: when you get back in December, be jealous. You need
Speaker 3: to talk to us something.
Speaker 1: I'm already jealous. I don't get jealous. I really don't
Speaker 1: get jealous.
Speaker 2: I I'm when I see somebody's success, I'm pumped for him.
Speaker 1: Well, what we need you to do?
Speaker 2: Do?
Speaker 1: Wish I could go hunt with him.
Speaker 3: You know, here in Texas, you don't have to put
Speaker 3: on the wet suit to do swim upon a deer.
Speaker 3: You actually just wear your Bermutera shorts and go swim
Speaker 3: up on the deer and shoo find off the water bosks.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Man, we we're gonna close her down here. We've been
Speaker 2: going for an hour and a half. It's been great.
Speaker 2: This is longer than most burgers renders. Got sorry about that. Man,
Speaker 2: long winded guys around here.
Speaker 1: He's good.
Speaker 4: It's been good.
Speaker 1: Good combo, been good combo.
Speaker 2: No, I was you saying water Mookasin's I saw a
Speaker 2: giant rattlesnake that uh while I was deer hunting the
Speaker 2: other day up in the mountains.
Speaker 1: It was pretty cool.
Speaker 4: Did you put that on Instagram? I think I saw that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was awesomember. Radlers are so pretty, man,
Speaker 1: they are, they are, they are.
Speaker 2: I've had some good I've had some fun hunts this year,
Speaker 2: but it's been tough so far. Close us down, where y'all,
Speaker 2: Where y'all going next? Where y'all headed next?
Speaker 3: Man, that's a great question, Clay. It sounds like you're
Speaker 3: trying to, you know, write me a citation somewhere.
Speaker 4: I don't want all these people showing up on our
Speaker 4: public lands, you know.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 3: I got i got some unfinished business up in the
Speaker 3: North Country. I'm about to go address in a couple
Speaker 3: of days.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, up in the plane as specific as you'll get, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I mean it's it's just full boor whitetail
Speaker 3: from here on now. We're gonna pretty much hit about
Speaker 3: as many states as we can get to, and at
Speaker 3: some point in time. We're gonna be in your home
Speaker 3: state here this fall. Looking real forward to that. It's
Speaker 3: I mean it's a beautiful place, ye yeah, very natural.
Speaker 1: Ye.
Speaker 2: Well, good luck to you guys man, thanks for being
Speaker 2: on the Bear Grease Render, and uh, just for everybody
Speaker 2: out there, if you're looking for some fun stuff, check
Speaker 2: out all of the Elements YouTube videos.
Speaker 1: They have their own YouTube channel.
Speaker 2: But they also it's kind of confusing, flights complex and
Speaker 2: confusing that they also have a series called buck Truck
Speaker 2: on the Meat Eater YouTube channel, So you can go
Speaker 2: back and look for the buck Truck and there's like
Speaker 2: seven episodes, I think, and one of our episodes is
Speaker 2: on there. The Arkansas Deer Hunt that I did with
Speaker 2: Casey and Tyler last last year, had a great time.
Speaker 5: I wanted them to spell it with a W at
Speaker 5: the end, but they wouldn't let me. Man, Oh that
Speaker 5: would have been good.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, that's some.
Speaker 2: That's some deep bear grease stuff right. There are a
Speaker 2: whole series on arsa W.
Speaker 5: I know it, man, You know, I appreciate the opportunity
Speaker 5: to do this. Clay and we h one other thing.
Speaker 5: If I could just give one more little plug. Here
Speaker 5: is our podcast. The Element podcast is a good way
Speaker 5: to keep up with everything and much more detail about
Speaker 5: what we're doing. So if you're interested in in that,
Speaker 5: or if you want to hear more about the Arkansas
Speaker 5: buck truck trip that wasn't in the video, we talk
Speaker 5: about that on our podcast, you know, so you can
Speaker 5: check that out over on whatever whatever network you get
Speaker 5: this one on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the other cool thing that's going on with
Speaker 2: meet he or to YouTube is you can watch all
Speaker 2: of the Meat Eater season twelve episodes. So this is
Speaker 2: Steve Ranella's Meat Eater, the famed show, in its twelfth season.
Speaker 2: And I think it's wild that the place, the platform
Speaker 2: that we're putting that today first is on YouTube. It's wild.
Speaker 2: It's it's because it's such a it's such it's like
Speaker 2: such a big platform. So there's still four people are confused.
Speaker 2: It's it's hard to keep track of. But you know,
Speaker 2: there's four seasons of media that's still on Netflix, like
Speaker 2: season maybe eight, nine, ten, eleven, something like that, or
Speaker 2: so you can go to Netflix and watch it. But
Speaker 2: the new seasons, seasons eleven and twelve are now on
Speaker 2: the Meat Eater YouTube channel and those are good Man
Speaker 2: Man Ranella's show is just it's it's next level, always
Speaker 2: has been, always been my favorite. I'd be hard to top,
Speaker 2: but uh so you can.
Speaker 1: Check that out and uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well guys, good luck to y'all.
Speaker 5: Thanks, and we're gonna get after it. I hope you
Speaker 5: have safe travels this year. Man, we'll be talking to you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Blake m