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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukeleman.

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Speaker 2: This is a production of the Bear Grease podcast called

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Speaker 2: The Bear Grease Render, where we render down, dive deeper,

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Speaker 2: and look behind the scenes of the actual bear Grease

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Speaker 2: podcast presented by f HF Gear, American made purpose built

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Speaker 2: hunting and fishing gear that's designed to be as rugged

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Speaker 2: as the place as we explore.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bear Grease Render. My, oh, my man.

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Speaker 2: Today is different than probably anything we've ever done. Usually

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Speaker 2: Casey and Tyler we have spoiler alert. Usually we have

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Speaker 2: like six people on the Bear Grease Render. Six people,

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Speaker 2: which is a lot of fun. But you guys are

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Speaker 2: so much fun that there's only three of us here.

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Speaker 2: We can eat enough for six, That's right.

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Speaker 3: It just means we've got it rendered down to the purity,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like it's it's.

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Speaker 1: That's that's good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have no doubt that you guys could eat

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Speaker 2: enough chips and sausa. Okay, if you don't know, Casey Smith,

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Speaker 2: Tyler Jones of the Element appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: They are from Texas.

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Speaker 2: Man, I enjoy watching Casey eat chips and saucy. To me,

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Speaker 2: it's like it's like it's like watching somebody ride a

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Speaker 2: good pleasure horse through an Areno, you know, it's just

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Speaker 2: kind of like a thing of beauty or or or

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Speaker 2: watching a marathon runner, like you know, stride through mile twelfth.

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Speaker 3: The first time I compared to a marathon runner, I

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Speaker 3: believe ever so makes good sense.

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Speaker 1: But when when you.

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Speaker 2: Hammered out on chips and salsa, it's like I feel joy.

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Speaker 3: So it's the same thing I feel whenever you eat

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Speaker 3: you know, oatmeal or whatever.

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Speaker 4: No, what is it?

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Speaker 1: Granola? That's what you eat a lot of.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so man, Hey, you know, a man's got a

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Speaker 2: a man's got to stick to his guns on his

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Speaker 2: diet when he travels. That's the one thing I've learned

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Speaker 2: in my traveling over the last decade is, man, if

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Speaker 2: you break, if you break the routine much, you'll you

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Speaker 2: won't have a routine at all.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I guarantee you.

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Speaker 2: You know what when I was with I spent a

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Speaker 2: little bit of time with Will Primos, And what you

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Speaker 2: wouldn't know about Will Primos just from watching him kill

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Speaker 2: elk and call and love turkey hunting, is that he

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Speaker 2: is an extreme man of discipline and wherever he goes,

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Speaker 2: he goes and does his own grocery shopping and eats

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Speaker 2: his own food in camp.

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Speaker 1: Mmm.

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Speaker 2: I took note of that. I was like, that takes

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Speaker 2: some dedication because it's hard.

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Speaker 5: We have to make food for like five people when

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Speaker 5: we go places, so we eat our own food and

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Speaker 5: uh make food for everybody else.

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Speaker 1: Ten pounds of ground talk on meat, a ponty angelous

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Speaker 1: gallons of salsa.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 2: I want to I want to introduce everybody to my guests.

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Speaker 2: This is Casey Smith and Tyler Jones of the Element.

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Speaker 2: The Element is a what telling What's the element? Y'all

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Speaker 2: tell me what the element is.

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Speaker 1: It's what we're living in man, you know, go for it,

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Speaker 1: mister puns.

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Speaker 3: So the Element is uh pretty much everything that Tyler

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Speaker 3: and I do and and we've got some help with

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Speaker 3: with Greg and Eric and Michael.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: We video Oliver Hunts. We have a sort of weekly podcast.

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Speaker 2: I kind of say that joking, and we we get

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Speaker 2: that out uh pretty much on the week and it's

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Speaker 2: kind of a chronicle of our stories, our hunts and

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Speaker 2: just we try to share.

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Speaker 1: The knowledge that we accumulate by hunting so much.

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Speaker 3: You know, we try to not be We're not experts

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Speaker 3: at things, and you know, I feel like it's it's

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Speaker 3: pretty uh, I don't know, it's it's.

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Speaker 1: Not a good thing to can consider yourself an expert

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Speaker 3: But I like to say we have a lot of experience,

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Speaker 3: so we try to share what we experience with other

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Speaker 3: hunters together through that. So that's that's kind of what

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Speaker 3: the element is.

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Speaker 1: And it's just I don't know what we are.

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Speaker 3: We had a video series on media last year called

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Speaker 3: buck Truck, and I think the intro for that is

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Speaker 3: me talking real short and sweet, say, two buddies hopping

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Speaker 3: and pick up travel the country hunting deer, and that

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Speaker 3: I don't know, twenty percent Bible study.

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Speaker 1: Throughout all that.

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Speaker 5: It started with fishing, you know, I mean that's what

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Speaker 5: That's what was kind of funny, you know. So we

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Speaker 5: just like doing it all kind of like you man

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Speaker 5: or old Brent Reeves. You know, we just like doing uh,

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Speaker 5: being outdoors and if if there's something to chase or

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Speaker 5: catch or or find, we're we're doing it.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So you guys are colleagues of mine. You work

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Speaker 2: for meat Eater at what you've done for the last year?

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Speaker 1: Is that about right?

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Speaker 4: That's right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, close to it. Man. What's what's it been

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Speaker 1: like working for meat Eater? It's uh, it's different, that's

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Speaker 1: for sure. You know.

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Speaker 2: Actually because y'a already entrepreneurs, y'all. Y'all, y'all had your

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Speaker 2: own business, did all your own stuff, had had this

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Speaker 2: YouTube channel podcast called The Element and travels and hunted

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Speaker 2: and then now you work for now you work for

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Speaker 2: meat Eater.

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Speaker 1: Well cool. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: We try to remain just true to who we've always

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Speaker 3: been and that's kind of difficult whenever you have outside

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Speaker 1: And that's essentially kind of I mean.

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Speaker 3: Man, outside of like having a bigger network and you know,

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Speaker 3: quite honestly a boss, like, not a lot has changed

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Speaker 3: just pursue having the most fun we can. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: that's legal for you know, a couple of guys to do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think that's That's kind of what I

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Speaker 2: you guys coming into Meetia really hasn't changed a lot

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Speaker 2: They were just to peak, you know, crack the veil

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Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, man. I mean that's that's what h

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Speaker 5: That's the same kind of thing we had in discussions

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Speaker 5: you know, and that's what we want is honesty in

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Speaker 1: Seats golly yeah.

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Speaker 3: because the radiation that's that's mine.

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Speaker 3: Those uh you know those heat print receipts. Man, that's

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 1: That's tough.

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Speaker 2: Every time I like am on on a work trip

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Speaker 1: I feel like they think that I think that they

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Speaker 5: Man, guarantee you I almost bought the almost about a

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, dude, Sometimes that's tough. That's tough.

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Speaker 3: The worst part is, like, well, we all got accustomed

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Speaker 5: It sounds like it sounds like a first world problem.

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Speaker 5: But when you travel for a living, I mean it's

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Speaker 1: Man, man, problems, problems, problems.

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Speaker 2: Well forward to the day when when there's so much

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Speaker 5: We're there, man, I just got an email from Ornithology.

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Speaker 5: Ornithology is that you said, Yeah, Cornell Institute. And literally

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Speaker 5: twenty minutes before that, Casey and I were having a

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Speaker 5: already there. They're listening, man, they know. Yeah, I hope

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Speaker 5: you'all know that I was kidding about my surveillance.

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Speaker 1: Oh I know.

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Speaker 2: Let me let me go ahead, and just for for

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Speaker 2: people who wouldn't who wouldn't be familiar with you guys,

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Speaker 2: to the bear Grease audience as that, Hey, these guys

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Speaker 2: right here are some serious deer hunting machines.

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Speaker 1: And I don't throw that kind of stuff around lightly.

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Speaker 1: I really don't.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I think I think in a

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Speaker 2: They're not just guaranteed and.

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Speaker 5: because that's what I thought you were fixing.

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Speaker 2: I know we're all into that, but no, Casey and

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Speaker 2: Tyler are are are really good hunters, and y'all have

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Speaker 1: Avoiding that spot because you know I want to go there?

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Speaker 3: But uh, I talk about this quite a bit, but

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Speaker 1: Don't want to say self confidence, but like because that's good.

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Speaker 4: We're hunting. We're not nature walking, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, And you gotta have some discernment too and

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Speaker 1: I ain't gonna name any names.

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Speaker 3: But we we might have a friend somewhere in this

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Speaker 1: You know that those are two different things, you know.

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Speaker 2: Well that's that's a really cool perspective. And I saw

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Speaker 1: Well, Tyler's killed three deer?

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Speaker 4: Is that right? Yeah, yep, that's right.

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Speaker 4: It's weird. It's like a married couple. Man, It's like it's.

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Speaker 3: It's like it's like Todder and I are playing linebacker

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Speaker 3: Actually I got one. Uh, but you know you're just

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Speaker 3: It's a second year in row on that, which is

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Speaker 1: But the deer I shot this, this and this this.

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Speaker 3: Video be on the media channel. Tyler's is way bigger.

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Speaker 3: It's already on the Element channel right now.

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Speaker 2: But I almost didn't get to enjoy Tyler's deer as

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Speaker 1: The shot wasn't as good as I wanted.

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Speaker 3: It was lethal and everything was great, but you know,

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Speaker 3: would have Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to kill

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00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 3: the deer, but I would have loved to just been

442
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 3: able to just relish the fact that Tyler killed one

443
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,160
Speaker 3: of the biggest eight points I've ever seen in my life.

444
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,880
Speaker 3: You know, like I kind of got to miss out

445
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 3: on part of that because I was all concerned about

446
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 3: going to finding my.

447
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,639
Speaker 1: Deer, so like yeah, I understand. I don't know. It

448
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:49,400
Speaker 1: is cool to.

449
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 3: Have that relationship where you can truly just have joy

450
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 3: for the other person.

451
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot of teaches you man.

452
00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 5: We're learning a lot of things about life really through

453
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:01,440
Speaker 5: this man, through this old deer hunt thing.

454
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 4: That we're doing.

455
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 2: Well, maybe y'all could give me some advice because my partner, uh,

456
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 2: Brent Reeves is uh I know, he's an undercover agent,

457
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:26,159
Speaker 2: double undercover, playing the long game on me. And I

458
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,120
Speaker 2: tell you what, one of the best friends you could

459
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 2: ever have is an undercover wildlife agent.

460
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

461
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 2: I mean they're a lot of fun. They're always ready

462
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 2: to go, always ready for new ideas. But anyway, uh,

463
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 2: you should, Yeah, you could. You could go double.

464
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. I'm not kidding say that. What

465
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 1: what do you say? You should join the force and

466
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: go double agent on him, you know, like a mole.

467
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 2: Okay, this is a joke, but actually the first couple

468
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 2: of years that Brent was hanging around, it was my bye.

469
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,640
Speaker 2: My it was kind of like I had just stepped

470
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 2: into an outdoor media platform. And I have always been

471
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 2: just paranoid about breaking the law and different things. And

472
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 2: I'm serious, I actually I actually thought this guy might

473
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 2: be working for the government.

474
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think it's just an Arkansas thing. I

475
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 3: think that's just the way y'all feel about stuff. You

476
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 3: just feel like a little paranoid. Yeah, you know, like

477
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 3: it's just this thing that you're born with. It's like, man,

478
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 3: I might have already done something wrong. I didn't even

479
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 3: know what it was.

480
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, that's it exactly. No.

481
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, we're from from deep western Arkansas

482
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 3: there in East Texas, and I kind of got the

483
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 3: same thing going. And honestly, it's kind of funny you

484
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 3: say that, because if you travel around much deer hunting,

485
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 3: state to state regulations are a lot different. Yeah, and

486
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 3: so like you might have to have this permit over here,

487
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 3: but over here you got to worry about what kind.

488
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: Of boots you wear, and you know, who knows what.

489
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 5: And in this state you can tag them when you

490
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,479
Speaker 5: get to your truck, and in that one, you literally

491
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 5: cannot move the deer at all, can't even take a

492
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 5: picture with him without tag on. It's like, man, oh

493
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,719
Speaker 5: you talk about So here's the thing, Tyler and I

494
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 5: trust yourselves, or trust each other a whole lot. So

495
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 5: I kind of I probably it's gonna come back to

496
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 5: buy me, all right. But I've been delving into the

497
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 5: practical joking a little bit here lately and incorporating that

498
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 5: into our hunts. So Tyler went to South Dakota and

499
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 5: killed a deer first sit because he just does that,

500
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 5: and so he became bird hunter and upland hunter real quick. Well,

501
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 5: they have multiple species of upland bird there in South Dakota,

502
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 5: and uh, you know, seasons kind of change and depending

503
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 5: on the bird. Well, he kind of was all hot

504
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 5: because he'd killed some greater prey chickens, which is something

505
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 5: we don't even see. I ain't never seen one, you know,

506
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 5: until we go up there, and they're awesome. They're like

507
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 5: the world's biggest quail. They're the same thing pretty much,

508
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 5: you know, they're just cool. Well, he called me because

509
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:07,360
Speaker 5: I was.

510
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 3: Deer hunting that morning and I was headed back into

511
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 3: camp afterwards.

512
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 1: He was like, oh, hype about it, you know, Like.

513
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 2: Dude, I killed a bunch of doves yesterday and I

514
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 2: went out and I got shot a limit of these

515
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 2: prey chickens, and I was like just kind of just

516
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 2: going on with it, you know, And I was like, man,

517
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:23,360
Speaker 2: that's awesome.

518
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 3: You know, are you gonna be cause we do you know,

519
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 3: the social media thing or whatever it's like. And I'd

520
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 3: already seen on the story that he posted about it

521
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 3: on Instagram, and I said, are you gonna But I

522
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 3: didn't tell him that. I said, are you gonna wait?

523
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 3: Are you gonna wait to like post that on the

524
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 3: fifteenth or like what's your plan? And you know, I

525
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 3: didn't come out and say, I'm not sure. There's stuff

526
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 3: the season.

527
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 1: You know, we kind of gave him a little just

528
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: like a little taste of like in this season.

529
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,239
Speaker 5: The season had opened on September fifteenth, and I knew that,

530
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 5: but it was, you know, the second of October or whatever.

531
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 5: So I was in the season, but I started thinking about, oh,

532
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 5: that was a fifteenth that was a that's oh that's

533
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 5: ten fifteen dude. Oh no, he posted on the story

534
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 5: I got him for. He had me for a second, man, and.

535
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 4: Then I was like, I mean I couldn't speak, dude.

536
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 5: I was like, because I'm the same way, dude, like,

537
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 5: you can't just you can't just you can't do something wrong, man.

538
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 5: I mean, there's how many people out there even listening

539
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 5: to this podcast, right now you know, have and cheated

540
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 5: the limits a little bit or done something over the years.

541
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 3: He's already trying to get us on the game. Boarst

542
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 3: he was. I made a joke about shooting a bear

543
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 3: thing it was a hog, And all of a sudden

544
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 3: Clay goes into federal agent mode on me.

545
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: You know, well, I may be working for Brent.

546
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 2: You might go, that's no Artie Stewart, I mean, this

547
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 2: is like legendary bear grease stuff. We did a series

548
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 2: called Secret Agent Man, one of our most listened to

549
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 2: series of all time, on a secret agent from Ohio

550
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 2: named Artie Stewart. One of his biggest, I mean one

551
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 2: of his like best moments, best bear grease moments, was

552
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 2: he was deep inside of a walleye poaching sting. These

553
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:01,719
Speaker 2: guys were fishing walleyes and selling like big money, like

554
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 2: selling thousands and thousands of pounds of illegal wallys. Apparently

555
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 2: those people up north are nuts about wallys. And he

556
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: was at a party with this big time poacher who

557
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 2: they were about to nail, and RT moves in to

558
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 2: get him to confess to more than he ever had,

559
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 2: and the guy all of a sudden gets suspicious of OURT.

560
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 2: Maybe for the first time, definitely the first time he'd

561
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 2: confronted RT.

562
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: And he and he says, he says.

563
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: You gotta be a bleep and he bleep, game ward

564
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 2: not you. I bet you're wearing a wire. And he

565
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 2: just confronts RT publicly. RT stands up, drops his pants

566
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 2: to his ankles, takes his shirt off, and yells to

567
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 2: show that he's not wearing a wire and accuses the

568
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 2: other guy being a game warden. Goes, you're the game warden.

569
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 2: You're the game warden. Take your clothes off. You bet

570
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 2: you're wearing a wire. This is like in a public party.

571
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 2: He's got his pants and his ankles, no shirt on.

572
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 2: But there's one thing I haven't told you. He was

573
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 2: wearing a cowboy hat and his wire was under the

574
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: cowboy hat. Bam you see, you see it. But one

575
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 2: of the best things he ever did was accused the

576
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: other guy of being a game warden.

577
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 1: That's a good trick, that's right, man, for sure.

578
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 3: So was it not suspicious for this ohen to be

579
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 3: wearing a cowboy hat?

580
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: Man, there's a lot of that.

581
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 2: Ohio Southern Ohio is like, oh, yeah, it's a man,

582
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 2: and yeah, there's a it's yea is it in in bounds?

583
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 3: There's that little area of the country there that's like Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana.

584
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 3: They don't even know where they're from. They can't tell

585
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 3: you which state they're from because it's like they just

586
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 3: claim it all, you know, you know, like.

587
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: Of course, yeah, yeah, yeah.

588
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 5: Hey Stewart, speaking of uh, you got to hunt with

589
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 5: on that Arkansas hunt. You got to hunt with a

590
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 5: guy you know is Spike h how's that man?

591
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 4: Man?

592
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 2: So we're talking about uh, we're talking about their cameraman, Mike,

593
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 2: Mike Stroll Uh Stole Stole.

594
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 4: That's him, that's him.

595
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: He.

596
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 5: I mean, I just wondered how because there's a there's

597
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 5: a pretty famous cell phone recording of him trying to

598
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 5: go up a mud bank.

599
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 4: Uh in the base.

600
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 5: I just wondered how it was walking around the woods

601
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 5: with him, you know, if he's sliding all over the.

602
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: Bas He impressed me. He impressed me.

603
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 4: That's good.

604
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: You know when we when we hunted together.

605
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 2: Any cameraman that I ever hunt with I'm suspicious of

606
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 2: from the get go. Not suspicious that I'm just like, hey.

607
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 3: Like would if he's wearing a wire making stripped down

608
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 3: or what kind of suspicion.

609
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I got I got nothing to hide.

610
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: I was cool with him recording everything we said.

611
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: Uh.

612
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 2: I was just like, listen up, buddy, you're not gonna

613
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 2: mess up my white tail hunt. Okay, you're gonna have

614
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 2: to sit there like a like a like a dead

615
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 2: bird on a branch, not move, not talk, do your job. No,

616
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 2: I'm not a jerk, but I but I am just

617
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 2: like I just am a'm like, we'll see how this goes.

618
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: And man, he was killer dude.

619
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 2: He he he could sit longer than me, he could

620
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: stay warmer than me, He talked less than me.

621
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: He filmed very well.

622
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: He was helpful in uh in the woods scouting hunting.

623
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 2: I mean we were just kind of a team, you know.

624
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: I was asking him what he thought we should be doing.

625
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: And he was a joy to hunt with.

626
00:30:59,120 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: Great time.

627
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 5: He is, he's got uh he's got to my video,

628
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 5: my kills on video this year.

629
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 4: And he does a good job. Man.

630
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 3: He says that you like the nosebleed section of the

631
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 3: woods Man, I'd just like to get yourself.

632
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 4: You did have a big I didn't stack a stick.

633
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 2: I didn't realize it until I started hunting. Justin the

634
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 2: show a cameraman he said the same thing about me.

635
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 2: I just feel like the higher you are, the better

636
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: chance you're going to get away with uh with scent

637
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 2: problems and just them scene.

638
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 3: Oh Clay Knewkeom the scent control master over here, right,

639
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 3: that's right, that's right.

640
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: Don't don't get me started. Don't get me started.

641
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: Hey, I was listening to a podcast and your dad

642
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: is all about it. Well see, okay, Well that's you

643
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: don't know the whole story. I mean, the reason I

644
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 2: can speak so authoritatively on whitetail scent control products is

645
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 2: because I was there at the start. Brother, Yeah, I

646
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 2: mean in the mid nineties when they first started coming

647
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,479
Speaker 2: out with scent shield and scent lock and all that stuff.

648
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: I mean, we were right there, and my dad was

649
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: as serious about it as anybody that ever lived. I mean,

650
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 2: I'm serious, Like the the nitpick detail of his scent

651
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: control regiment is incredible. And and so I, as a

652
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: kid and as a young adult, I did that to

653
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 2: hunt with him.

654
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: Like he wouldn't. He wouldn't hunt with you if you

655
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: didn't do it.

656
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 2: I mean, he's just like I literally he would be like,

657
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 2: I will not take you hunting if you or he

658
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 2: wouldn't put me. Like the way it would work is

659
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 2: when I was a kid was he would have good

660
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: stands that he had scouted, so you know, I on

661
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 2: the weekend go hunt with him, and he'd put me

662
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 2: on one of his good stands, you know, and he's like,

663
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like we had to do it. So

664
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 2: when I became an adult, moved away and really started

665
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 2: to learn to bow hunt on my own, I couldn't

666
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: afford that stuff. I didn't have the time for it.

667
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 2: Like this, life was very hectic when I was going

668
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 2: to college, had kids, newly married, and I just started

669
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 2: hunting the wind and you know, basically that's when I

670
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 2: really started killing deer and and then at to at

671
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 2: least two different times during my white tail career, I

672
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: have gone back to major scent control product use. Okay,

673
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 2: I won't go into the details of those products, but

674
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 2: there came a time, just even a couple of years ago,

675
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 2: and I was like, Okay, I'm going to give this

676
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 2: a go again. I was getting smelled or hunting risky

677
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 2: spots and getting smelled and I didn't like it, and

678
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: I was like, maybe technology has changed, maybe things are different,

679
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 2: And basically it's anything that someone observes in the woods

680
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: is always going to have some level of anecdotal evidence.

681
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 2: There's some level of you could have done it different,

682
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 2: you could have done it better. Maybe it was just

683
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 2: a freak circumstance. But basically, deer would smell me just

684
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: the same when I was using all those products. Yes,

685
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 2: they did when I didn't. So I was just like, well,

686
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 2: I'm cutting out that section of my hunting because of

687
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 2: how much energy it takes, and I'm devoting energy to

688
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 2: the actual limiting factors of my hunting.

689
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 5: So we've gotten the same place. Yeah, yep, we're there,

690
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 5: man like. And when you travel as much, that's that's

691
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 5: when it really gets tough because you don't have dryers

692
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 5: and washers and all the stuff always, and you know,

693
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 5: it's just you gotta put gas in your truck because

694
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 5: you're out of you know, you've been four hundred.

695
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 4: Miles whether or not you know it. You got to

696
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 4: get some gas, you know.

697
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 3: Now, I got a question for you on that front, though.

698
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 3: You you you do something we don't. That's a bear hunting,

699
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 3: and you're in close a lot of the times on

700
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 3: that deal. But a bear's psyche is different than a whitetail, right, Like,

701
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 3: they just approach the world differently, and their nose is

702
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 3: just like you can probably go on about this more

703
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 3: than I can, but their nose is like their window

704
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 3: into the world. So do you approach that any differently

705
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 3: with bears and you use dear.

706
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's the exact same, I mean, because it

707
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 2: actually amplifies the fact that you can't hide from them.

708
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it. To me, what people say.

709
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: About scent control products is that maybe it helps a little,

710
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 2: And I don't think there's such thing as helping a little.

711
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 2: Like if a bear smells a little human or a

712
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 2: lot of human, he's going to be he's going to

713
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 2: be alarmed. If a doe deer smells a little human

714
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: or a lot of human, he's she's going to run away.

715
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 5: Clay, Now, when you say a little human, what exactly?

716
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 5: Because we have this thing where people say all the time, Oh,

717
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 5: I'm a big hunter, and you're like, well, how big?

718
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 4: How big a boy are you?

719
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 2: Okay, I walked into one of your one of your

720
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 2: inside jokes.

721
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 4: That's what's happened here, Exactly. We have a lot of them.

722
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 3: That's one of things you learned about us too, is

723
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 3: how many inside jokes? Oh yeah, that was That was

724
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 3: the third thing. Aside from y'all being really good hunters

725
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 3: and moving around a lot. It's a lot of inside

726
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 3: jokes that nobody gets but y'all. Okay, well now you're

727
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 3: you're on the inside.

728
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 4: Man.

729
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: That's a good place to be. I am now, yeah,

730
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: A little human. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, it's pretty funny.

731
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 4: I like it.

732
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: I wanna start using that.

733
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 4: A little human.

734
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: Well, bears.

735
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: Bears respond differently to humans sitting different situations, Like if

736
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 2: you're baiting them, you are not trying to I mean

737
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 2: they are. They're very aware that there's a human involved

738
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 2: at this bait side, and so you can get away

739
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: with human odor with lesser animals to some degree, you know.

740
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 2: So there are times like this year, my son was

741
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 2: hunting bait and like he said, Dad, the wind was

742
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 2: blowing directly to these bears and they just didn't care

743
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 2: and they would come in. But those also weren't big

744
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 2: older mature males. Big older mature males are just like

745
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 2: it's so amazing that all the species, the big older

746
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: mature males just operate in a different level of consciousness

747
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 2: of the world. And black bears are just like big

748
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 2: white tail bucks. They're just on a different life schedule

749
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 2: and routine. But very rarely, very rarely even on a

750
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 2: bait site with a big adult male smell like Noah,

751
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 2: human is there and them just barge in. But a

752
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 2: younger bear might you're out in the woods, You're out

753
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 2: in the big country, not in a bait situation. Any

754
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 2: bear on planet Earth, you know, ninety five percent of

755
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: the time smells a human, they're gonna run like a

756
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: like a scalded dog.

757
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 5: You know, is there a is there a like there's

758
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 5: a pretty I guess at least a vocal subset of

759
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,439
Speaker 5: white tailed deer hunters that, uh don't like the bait thing,

760
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 5: you know, is there is that? I feel like that

761
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 5: I may be wrong because I'm pretty on the outside here,

762
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 5: But does I feel like it doesn't exist as much

763
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 5: in the bear world?

764
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 4: Is that right?

765
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: What do you mean? Like?

766
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 5: Uh, like, there's not like baiting isn't his taboo in

767
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 5: the bear world as it is in the deer world.

768
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 5: Sometimes it seems like, Oh.

769
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think it probably is.

770
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 2: I think there's plenty of people that wouldn't like bear

771
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 2: hunting over bait or just but you know, we've we've

772
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 2: been talking about it for over a decade.

773
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 1: Is that man, bear hunting over baits?

774
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 2: Just it's a management tool that we use in places

775
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 2: that we that we that we need it, and it's

776
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 2: an incredible way to be selective and manage bears and hunt.

777
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 2: And it's just like anything. If you're if you're trying

778
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,919
Speaker 2: to get an older age male, it's extremely difficult. I mean,

779
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 2: you'd you'd be better off, you'd be it'd be easy

780
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 2: for you to kill a big buck in this state

781
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 2: than it would be to intentionally kill a big bear.

782
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 2: I mean, if you were like Clay, you got to

783
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 2: kill a big buck or a four hundred and fifty

784
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 2: pound black bear this year, You've got to or we're

785
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 2: gonna take your house. What are you gonna do? I'd

786
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 2: be like, dude, I'll take the one forty. I mean

787
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 2: it's hard even with bait.

788
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 4: Oh you call.

789
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that, Oh I call one forty real big.

790
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 2: Hey, let me uh let me uh let me switch

791
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 2: topics a little bit.

792
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: Slightly slightly. There's two things I want to talk to

793
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: you about.

794
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 2: I want to talk to you all about outdoor media

795
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: because it's rare that I have another person in media

796
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 2: on the Beargerish Render, and but I also want to

797
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 2: talk to about the deer stories thing a little bit. Yeah,

798
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 2: the I feel like I don't like being an outdoor

799
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 2: media Well you said that, you know, like I'm not

800
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: there with you.

801
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:16,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me explain.

802
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, people people look at us by guys like you,

803
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 2: guys that are full time employed inside of production of

804
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 2: everything that involves the element, which is it was just

805
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 2: a hunting show podcast group. You know, people look at

806
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 2: me and they they they think I'm a hunting professional.

807
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like that, but that's that's just

808
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:41,720
Speaker 1: the truth.

809
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 2: There's also been a pretty big stir in the pot

810
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: of late about this idea that hunting media and hunting

811
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: influencers is really negative for conservation and hunting.

812
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: Have you Are you all aware of that?

813
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 4: Yeah?

814
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: I know that's going on.

815
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean now, I don't I don't know how

816
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 3: in tune I am with that, and I don't know

817
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 3: how much to what degree the percentage of the population

818
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 3: feels that, but there is there is a that is chatter.

819
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: If that is out there for sure.

820
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 2: What do you what do y'all think? I mean, like,

821
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 2: how do you how do you? I guess in a sense,

822
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 2: we're we are all trying to our all of our

823
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 2: goal is towards a limited resource, which would be hunting, land.

824
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 1: Access, bigger bucks, white.

825
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 2: Tailed deer, whatever, And you know we are we're promoting

826
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 2: hunting and and but also you know, the big thing

827
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 2: that that people are saying is that we've commodite.

828
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: We we've made hunting.

829
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 2: Uh what's what's the word I'm trying to say, a

830
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 2: commodity commodified?

831
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, commodity.

832
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 2: It's we have commodified hunting in that we are selling

833
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 2: products as a result of our hunting, and that we're

834
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 2: recruiting new hunters basically by a new product. Like that's

835
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 2: what people say, Well, what do you guys think of that?

836
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 5: I mean, I feel like since you know, beginning of time,

837
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 5: people have had commerce. I mean, whether you work at

838
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 5: a hardware store or a dairy plant or whatever, you're

839
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 5: essentially making an end product.

840
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 4: Selle right.

841
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 5: I mean I don't know, there's probably not a whole

842
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 5: lot of if any jobs. And I'm sure somebody will

843
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 5: correct me, but like I can't think any off top

844
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 5: of my head, that don't end in some sort of sale, right,

845
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 5: So I mean.

846
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 4: That's how the world works.

847
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 5: It's either barter or sale and to either acquire something

848
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 5: or get rid of something.

849
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 4: So I mean it's not.

850
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 5: It is a very complicated question, like a very big,

851
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 5: broad general question too, so I'll try it to be

852
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 5: too verbose. But like I I've wanted to do. I've

853
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 5: wanted to hunt or fish for a living since I

854
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 5: was tiny, man, Like I wanted to be a fishing

855
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 5: guide for a while. Well, what does a fishing guide do?

856
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 4: Well?

857
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 5: He sells fishing trips, you know, and probably sells you know,

858
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 5: g Loomis rods or whatever too along the way, when

859
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 5: you know, they give him free rods and his client's

860
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 5: fish with them all day or whatever. So I mean

861
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 5: there's just I mean I could do that, or I

862
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 5: have a pretty good degree. I could have gone to

863
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 5: Dallas and worked for a company that you know sells

864
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 5: wealthy people financial advising plans or whatever, you know, like

865
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 5: whatever it might have been. But I mean, you gotta

866
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 5: do something. And I feel extremely blessed to just be able.

867
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 4: To to hunt so much.

868
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 5: I can't I can actually I can remember one of

869
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 5: the first days after uh we started working for Meat Eater,

870
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 5: and me and k C were walking around and the

871
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 5: guys are with us, and we're walking around in the woods,

872
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 5: uh trying to shoot a pig spot and stalk down

873
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 5: in just our home, you know, woods, just in the

874
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 5: river bottoms, And I like, it was like Tuesday, and

875
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 5: I told Case, I was like, I can't believe.

876
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 4: It's kind of the first time.

877
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 5: I've been striving to do something as an entrepreneur for

878
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 5: a long time and been we lived very poor for

879
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 5: a long time, and I can't believe him walking around

880
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 5: in the woods right now hunting pigs, and like, that's

881
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 5: kind of my job, you know. It's like it's it

882
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 5: doesn't even It's never felt like I could tell somebody honestly,

883
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 5: like that's what I do for a living, and all

884
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 5: of a sudden it changed, you know what I mean.

885
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 5: And I could say if somebody asked me, well, what

886
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 5: are y'all doing today, Well, we're gonna go hunt pigs,

887
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 5: and it's like, and that's what I'm supposed to do.

888
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 5: That's like how I work, you know. And I couldn't

889
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 5: believe it, man, Like I said, I don't feel I mean,

890
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 5: I've certainly worked hard, but at a lot of fellers

891
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 5: out there work hard, man, you know. I feel extremely

892
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 5: blessed to be able to do what I'm doing. And

893
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 5: as far as the media side of things go, man,

894
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 5: it's a tough line and we are constantly of like

895
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 5: changing and figuring out how to do it to the

896
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 5: best of our ability. Where you do things that people

897
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 5: are interested in, people want to see, but you also

898
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 5: try to show a positive light into the hunting world.

899
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 5: But you also want to show a realistic light, right.

900
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 5: I mean, not every deer dies quickly, man, you know,

901
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 5: and we all know that, but people that are new

902
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 5: hunters or anti hunters don't know that sometimes. And what

903
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 5: they also don't think about maybe is that in nature,

904
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 5: those deer don't die quick either, you know, like whether

905
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 5: we're hunting them or not. So it's just a it's

906
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 5: a hard thing to to contemplate and to understand. I

907
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 5: think that's kind of my two sens.

908
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's like a right way and wrong way

909
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: of doing it.

910
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 3: Just with about you hear, anything you're going to do,

911
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 3: you know, and and I think that first off, if

912
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,240
Speaker 3: you're going to set out to do something, you should

913
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 3: have the best intentions, uh in what you do.

914
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: And and just to.

915
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 3: Uh, if you don't mind me speaking freely on your podcast,

916
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 3: you know, Tyler and I our desires to glorify God

917
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 3: with what we do, and not everybody believes that, and

918
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 3: that's fine. Uh, but like so through our desire with

919
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 3: doing that, we're going to do our best, We're going

920
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 3: to fail because we're humans.

921
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: And that's like the human condition, right, medium sized.

922
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 3: Humans, medium just the medium humans here.

923
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, so like if you set out

924
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: with that.

925
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 3: Intention, I think that at least through most people besides

926
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 3: the ones that are just out to get you, it's

927
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 3: perceived as genuine.

928
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: And that's what I try to do and stuff, you know.

929
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 2: And and I also am a free market capitalist, so

930
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 2: I feel like this stuff is not gonna Like if

931
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 2: we are making hunting videos and it's gonna and it

932
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 2: still perpetuates.

933
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: You know, then it's good.

934
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 3: If it ain't, and if it doesn't, it's gonna cease

935
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 3: to exist. And I don't want the government or any

936
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 3: entity telling us we can or can't do none of

937
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 3: this stuff, uh, just because it you know, it bothers

938
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 3: somebody's feelings, you know, honestly, like, if we do our

939
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 3: job and portray this stuff in the right way, it's

940
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 3: gonna produce two things. It's gonna produce more people who

941
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 3: are in supportive hunting, and it's gonna produce a higher

942
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 3: demand for hunting access and opportunities. And if your government

943
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 3: didn't hate you, then you would have they would see

944
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 3: that you want more opportunity. So, you know, like the

945
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 3: people who are yelling about the fact that we're shining

946
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 3: light on maybe public lands and public lands are too busy,

947
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,280
Speaker 3: and it's like, well, don't get mad at us. Tell

948
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 3: the powers of be to open up more ground, you know,

949
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 3: like that stuff. That's the result we should strive for.

950
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's a little two soap boxing. Sorry about that,

951
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 3: but I get fired up.

952
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 2: No, No, I mean that's that's what I wanted to hear,

953
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 2: because you know, I think I think it's a point

954
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 2: of introspection that anybody that's involved in social media, out

955
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 2: outdoor media in any way, we have to evaluate why

956
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 2: we're doing what we're doing. Yeah, because I think it's important.

957
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 2: Motivations are are very important. Motivations are more important in

958
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 2: many ways than than anything. It's like, why we're doing

959
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 2: what we're doing. And so as I've heard some of

960
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 2: this stuff from you know, from different groups and different

961
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 2: people just about it's kind of like just saying the

962
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: things you've you've said there, that that social media influencers

963
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 2: are drawing all this attention to hunting and public land

964
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 2: and artificially recruiting new people.

965
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: That's overcrowding and all this stuff.

966
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 2: And uh yeah, man, I mean I could, I could

967
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 2: go on and on, but but I think it's good

968
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 2: to hear stuff like that and consider just like, Okay,

969
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 2: are they right?

970
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: Like do they have rational arguments that make sense?

971
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 4: Yeah?

972
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 2: And uh or do you know questioning do they? And

973
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 2: most of what I've heard to me really doesn't add up.

974
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 2: It's like, man, if we just don't talk about our

975
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 2: hunting and hide, we we have lost pace with the

976
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 2: with the age, and and we will are we will

977
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 2: die off and fade away as the trend of modern

978
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 2: bias and modern ideas just overtakes. And it's like we've

979
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:46,919
Speaker 2: we've everything, every every single industry, every single one from

980
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 2: bicycling to four wheeling too, to tennis and golf and knitting,

981
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 2: and everything has media, and that media has influencers people

982
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 2: that are at the forefront of that industry, and all

983
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 2: those people are are fueled by the financial side of

984
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,919
Speaker 2: that business. And so it's kind of like, don't hate

985
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 2: the player, hate the game cases capitalism.

986
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: It's like, this is just the way this works.

987
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 2: And I like what you said about us putting demand

988
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 2: on the system for more access. Now, you know, there's

989
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 2: all kind of there's no right answer to anything. I mean, inevitably,

990
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 2: popularity and hunting has caused land to be leased that

991
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:42,760
Speaker 2: was never leased before. It's causing excess recreational land prices

992
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 2: and all this stuff. And it's like, if we hadn't

993
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 2: talked about hunting, do you think that would be any different?

994
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: And anyway, I just think it's not.

995
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 2: But you know, man, like the sister of pride is envy,

996
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 2: and that's the thing that gets a lot of people

997
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 2: and a lot of times these these you know, squeaky

998
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 2: wheels are in envious of whatever things may be.

999
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 3: You know, we can I'll just allude to things. But

1000
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 3: there's a great story, the greatest story that was ever told. Right,

1001
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 3: there was a creator and then there was an impersonator,

1002
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 3: and that impersonator still works hard every day and it's

1003
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 3: just furious that it cannot be supreme being right. So

1004
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 3: like that, you run into that and it's played out

1005
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 3: again and again and again in so many facets where

1006
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 3: a lot of the times I'm not saying all the

1007
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 3: time because like you said, there are some rational arguments

1008
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 3: to be made about this stuff. That the person who

1009
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 3: is whining about stuff is envious of the other position

1010
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 3: that the other people are in and they're mad that

1011
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 3: they can't do that and they want it their way

1012
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 3: and it doesn't work.

1013
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 5: Well, I can say this too. I've been there, man,

1014
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 5: you know, like and I've been We all know, man,

1015
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 5: that of the three of us, I'm the worst, you know.

1016
00:51:53,560 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 5: So I'm just you know, so I've been there, man,

1017
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 5: and and and you know we're we also, the three

1018
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 5: of us believe we shouldn't be grumbling and complaining about stuff,

1019
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 5: but we do it at times, you know.

1020
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 4: And and I.

1021
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 5: Think that hopefully if there's a message that could come

1022
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 5: through this too from me that's just said, everybody could

1023
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 5: have a little more grace with each other, because man,

1024
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 5: I mean just you know, there's this think about this, man,

1025
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 5: when you were when I was eighteen, I thought it'd

1026
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 5: be so cool to be you know, on TV hunting right,

1027
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 5: watching some Monster Bucks, you know, being like, man, what

1028
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 5: if I could go do that, you know, sitting a tree,

1029
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 5: standing on the edge of them, you know, field wheat,

1030
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 5: feel with corn on the edge of it or whatever,

1031
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 5: and just shoot a big old monster, Like that's what

1032
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 5: you thought was cool. And I think, man, you got

1033
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,399
Speaker 5: to look at some of these, you know what Clay

1034
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,919
Speaker 5: you're saying as an influencer, and sometimes they're twenty year olds, man,

1035
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 5: And and I'm, you know, in my mid thirties, and

1036
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 5: there's guys like Steve that are older than that. And

1037
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 5: there's guys that are in their seventies that it's still

1038
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 5: on TV, you know, and doing things. And I think

1039
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 5: that as a guy who's probably on the younger end

1040
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 5: of the spectrum, but one that's not a twenty year old,

1041
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 5: I can say, like, you know, my priorities have changed.

1042
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 5: What I want out of this has changed a lot

1043
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 5: since I was twenty or even since I was maybe

1044
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 5: you know, twenty nine or thirty. And so I think

1045
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 5: just to have some grace with those people to understand, hey,

1046
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 5: you know, they got a chance to grow up. Give

1047
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 5: them some grace and let them, you know, let them

1048
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 5: pan out and see if maybe they're not so dumb

1049
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 5: when they hit their thirties, you know what I mean.

1050
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 5: So and then I'm sure Steve's saying the same thing

1051
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 5: about me, you know, or whatever. But it just that's

1052
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 5: the thing, man, It's just everybody gotta got to understand. Man,

1053
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 5: we all have some bad tendencies and not everybody's trying to,

1054
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 5: you know, be bad that a lot of them are

1055
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 5: a lot of people are trying to be a little

1056
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 5: bit better as they go and they grow, you know.

1057
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: So and here's I'm going to take this a different

1058
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: direction just to.

1059
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 3: Kind of, you know, maybe appease those who got a

1060
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 3: little outlaw in them, you know, like a lot of

1061
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 3: us do.

1062
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: There comes a point note that I'm recording this whole thing.

1063
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: That's right.

1064
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 3: I hope you will leave me knowledge y'all come and

1065
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 3: take it as we say. Here's the deal, man, is

1066
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 3: I love what we do enough, not the media side

1067
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 3: of it, but the hunting side of it. And we're

1068
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 3: talking about how media affects hunting, right. I never want

1069
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 3: to sabotage what we're doing. I want it to be

1070
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 3: something that perpetuates until it can't no more. And so

1071
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 3: like I want my kids, my grandkids, all that to

1072
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 3: be able to go out and enjoy the outdoors the

1073
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,720
Speaker 3: way that we do. And at some point in time

1074
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 3: there there may be and there could be, there are

1075
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 3: people out there currently that would have that taken away,

1076
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 3: not because we're making videos, not because you know, they

1077
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 3: just don't understand our way of life, but just because

1078
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 3: they don't like the fact that we kill animals. And

1079
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 3: if that ever grows, and that's going to happen, whether

1080
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 3: or not we make videos about it, right, there will

1081
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 3: come up there. There could come a time and I

1082
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,760
Speaker 3: am willing to do it to become I would become

1083
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 3: a so called poacher if need be.

1084
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: Let's go, you.

1085
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 2: Know, and I want to be on Clay's podcast as

1086
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 2: much as possible.

1087
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 3: But hear me out, not in the sense of the

1088
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 3: word that we understand it. But the only difference in

1089
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 3: poaching and hunting is a law and maybe like a

1090
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 3: sense of morality in one's own personal ethics, right, but

1091
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 3: it just stick with me for a second, like suddenly,

1092
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 3: if they made it illegal to hunt white till deer

1093
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 3: where I live, like exclusively, if you just cannot hunt them,

1094
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 3: I don't know if I would be a law abiding citizen.

1095
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 3: You get what I'm saying, So like, I care about

1096
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 3: it that much, but I'm gonna do everything I can

1097
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 3: to not ever see that become a reality.

1098
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 4: Clay, I hope you don't get too many messages.

1099
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:00,399
Speaker 1: I love to say controversy things.

1100
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 3: And it's not because because I desire controversy, it's just

1101
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 3: who I am.

1102
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 2: Well, And I think what you're saying there is something

1103
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 2: that a lot of people have probably thought about, Yeah,

1104
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 2: is like where does where does this thing? And we're

1105
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:22,959
Speaker 2: a long think think goodness that we're a long ways

1106
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 2: from that. And and if we and I and I

1107
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 2: feel like if we do our job, and and really

1108
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 2: I feel like we're part of of a revolution that has,

1109
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 2: let's go where we're going culminating really a revolution in

1110
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:46,879
Speaker 2: in the ideology and communication around hunting that that we are.

1111
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:54,479
Speaker 2: We've just got so much rational, common sense goodness and

1112
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 2: civil wonderful things that happen and services that are provided

1113
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,240
Speaker 2: to the world by hunting and through the dollars of hunters,

1114
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 2: that it's just it's just hard to even argue that

1115
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 2: this is not a very positive thing for our society

1116
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 2: and our country.

1117
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 4: You know.

1118
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's.

1119
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 2: Like, uh so that's that's our trajectory, you know, But

1120
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 2: we also have to, like any rational person, assessment the

1121
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 2: situation and say, what could happen you know, a generation

1122
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 2: from now or twenty years from now, or or or

1123
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 2: you know, what if this happened?

1124
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: What if that happened?

1125
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's where what you're saying is

1126
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 2: that there comes a point when this violates almost like

1127
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 2: civil liberty exactly.

1128
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's an infamy say that you can't do this.

1129
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 2: There's infamous quote that says that there comes a point

1130
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 2: in time where reasonable men are driven to do unreasonable things, right,

1131
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 2: and I don't desire that by any means, So let

1132
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 2: me make Yeah, and clearly you're not saying, you know,

1133
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,919
Speaker 2: break reasonable game laws that have been set that's right

1134
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 2: by agencies that are for us, not against us, which

1135
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 2: is I mean, I believe exclusively true across the board

1136
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 2: ninety nine percent of the time, you know, And I

1137
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 2: think that's the way we've got to believe is that

1138
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 2: you know, the agencies that are running our game departments

1139
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 2: in each state ultimately have the resource of mind and

1140
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 2: our traditions in mind, and and you know there's that

1141
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 2: could be scrutinized in small cases, I'm sure.

1142
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 5: But I mean back to the media thing, you know,

1143
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 5: if it is, if it is creating more hunters and

1144
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 5: that kind of thing. I mean, that's what you want, right,

1145
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 5: You want numbers of people saying, hey, you don't need

1146
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 5: to take this away.

1147
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. It goes back to the whole like, hey, give

1148
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: more access.

1149
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 3: If you have more hunters, you should be generating more

1150
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 3: dollars with your dollars.

1151
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1152
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 1: Well, And and I think if hunting means as much,

1153
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: if hunting really means as much to us as we

1154
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: say that it does, then it's been invaluable inside of

1155
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: our life us wanting to share that with the world

1156
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense too. And and and.

1157
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 2: As places, you know, it's possible you could go to

1158
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 2: your public land spot and there'll be more people than

1159
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 2: there were five years ago there.

1160
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: That's possible. Yeah, And you hear about that a lot.

1161
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 2: But I also hear from a lot of people that

1162
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 2: are like, man, I hadn't seen anybody where I hunt

1163
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 2: in years.

1164
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: I mean I do not not all over the country.

1165
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it just matters who you talk to.

1166
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 2: And sometimes the squeaky wheel is the one that gets

1167
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 2: the tension, gets the drama.

1168
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: There's a lot of great There's a lot of great.

1169
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 2: Hunting left and and and in a lot of places.

1170
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 2: And anyway, I think the more people we have, the better. Yea,

1171
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 2: there's like I just wanted to ask you guys about that.

1172
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sorry, you're like, hey, guys, we're talking about this

1173
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: too much.

1174
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 3: But there is a generality of like, hey, if you

1175
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 3: don't like a certain situation, then work harder to improve

1176
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,439
Speaker 3: your personal situation, you know, And you can go down

1177
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 3: to just the basis of like public land hunting, right Like,

1178
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 3: whenever I see, like if I encounter people on public ground,

1179
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 3: I'm like, not mad at them, I'm mad at myself

1180
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:12,479
Speaker 3: because I'm like, well, I'm not smart enough. I haven't

1181
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 3: learned enough lessons to say, hey, there was gonna be

1182
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 3: a dude there.

1183
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: You know, I need to go deeper. I need to

1184
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: be smarter. I need to be more cunning in my methods.

1185
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: You know.

1186
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 2: So it's like you just gotta, uh, you know, realize

1187
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 2: that when you're pointing a finger, you got a couple

1188
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 2: pointing back, you know, like you got to you gotta

1189
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 2: just work on yourself, because that's the thing you have

1190
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 2: the most control over.

1191
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1192
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 2: Man, well I miss on this latest Deer Stories episode. Well,

1193
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 2: actually on both. So we're right in the middle of

1194
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 2: a series on deer Stories, which is one of my

1195
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 2: favorite series we do every year on Bear Grease and

1196
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 2: But I go around and collect stories from God and

1197
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 2: it's a lot of fun because it's kind of like

1198
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 2: homecoming in some way. I mean, I'm going and visiting

1199
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 2: all these people that I know, and uh, most of

1200
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 2: the stories I collect in persons, some of them, some

1201
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 2: of them I don't, but uh, we've had I made

1202
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 2: it a point this year to include several dog hunting stories,

1203
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 2: which is a very small subset of white tail hunters.

1204
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: So this is kind of like little hunters.

1205
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 3: Can you when you say dog hunting, are you talking

1206
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 3: about something that is publicly publicly perceived positively or negatively?

1207
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 2: Here, Like, well, I'm not following the joke, Casey.

1208
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 3: You're not saying that a person goes into the woods

1209
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 3: in pursuit of a canine, right, You're talking about something.

1210
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 1: Where dogs to chase deer.

1211
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 3: Oh oh yeah, so yeah, Okay, is that still legal

1212
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 3: in Arkansas?

1213
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.

1214
01:01:55,960 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 2: It's it's legal in uh multiple states. Yeah, but actually

1215
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 2: very a very small percentage of hunting land in the

1216
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 2: US is it legal to pursue white tailed deer with

1217
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 2: the use of hounds, with the use of dogs, And

1218
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 2: where I grew up it to this day it's still

1219
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 2: legal to run hounds. And and I didn't know there

1220
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 2: was any place that it wasn't, you know, until I

1221
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 2: became an adult and I was like, oh, wow, this

1222
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 2: is actually really unique and special and and the oh

1223
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 2: it's a it's a fascinating group of people that are

1224
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 2: dog hunters, and they I would I would I would

1225
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 2: say they have received an incredibly small amount of publicity

1226
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 2: in all of the reporting on whitetail hunting. Ever, I mean,

1227
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 2: really it's just like, go show me a sink, you know,

1228
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 2: a mainstream video of a deer hunt with dogs. I

1229
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 2: don't think I've ever seen it, you know, I never saw,

1230
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 2: you know, any of the big names deer hunting with

1231
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 2: dogs and all this.

1232
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: And there's reasons for that.

1233
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 2: But these guys, when you meet him and talk to

1234
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 2: them and you really understand the way they think about things,

1235
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 2: they're as serious about white tails as you guys are.

1236
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: I mean, they are.

1237
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 2: I mean, without question, their energy is just placed in

1238
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 2: a different way inside of hunting, and and so on.

1239
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 2: This last series, well, in this series, I've had multiple

1240
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 2: dog stories and you know what, it's I love I

1241
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 2: love this so much. I want to just like make

1242
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 2: t shirts about it and tell everybody. But you know,

1243
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 2: the dog hunters look at still hunters and think that

1244
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 2: sometimes think they aren't sportsmanlike. They're like, it's not sportsmanlike

1245
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 2: to just sneak up on one and thump it in

1246
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 2: the head.

1247
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 5: Well, we usually honk the horn or something warning when

1248
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 5: we go out, you know.

1249
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like Kevin Murphy, like Stephen ellis buddy, my buddy,

1250
01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 2: Kevin Murphy, who when he squirrel hunts, he blows us

1251
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 2: horn before he turns the dogs loose, just to warn

1252
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 2: the wildlife.

1253
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 1: Here we come. Let him know. I mean, uh.

1254
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 2: Stony Edwards, Stoney Edwards had a little part in his

1255
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 2: last story, and man, it was my fault that it

1256
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 2: wasn't included. It was a it was actually an editing error.

1257
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 2: It happens at bear Grease occasionally. It was my fault.

1258
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 2: I had about a two minute segment in there where

1259
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 2: he was talking about the way he views sportsmanship and

1260
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 2: hunting with dogs, and and he was like, man, this

1261
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 2: is the most primitive way on earth the hunted deer.

1262
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 2: And he said, this is, uh, it's really difficult. He's like,

1263
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 2: if we want to just kill a bunch of deer,

1264
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 2: we wouldn't be using dogs. And uh, those guys, oh,

1265
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 2: without a doubt.

1266
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 1: I mean, he said, we'd go sit in tree stands

1267
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 1: if we want to kill a bunch of deer, you know.

1268
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 2: And but they, you know, they they love their dogs.

1269
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:55,959
Speaker 2: They understand deer. Holy cow, you want to learn something

1270
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 2: about deer and where they go and where they travel.

1271
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 1: Put a deer, put put some dogs behind them.

1272
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 3: Is that seeing from like the you know, the English

1273
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 3: fox trials and stuff like that.

1274
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 1: You know that if I'm you know a lot, I

1275
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:13,479
Speaker 1: mean yeah, I mean those go ahead.

1276
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 2: Most of the hound traditions in the US. You could trace

1277
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 2: them back pretty easily, back to our European traditions, you know.

1278
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 1: I mean.

1279
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 2: They they ran red stag and wild boar, they ran

1280
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 2: everything with hounds over there. I mean back in those days,

1281
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 2: hunting meant you had hounds. And so a lot of

1282
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 2: these families, whether they be bear hunters or deer dog

1283
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 2: guys have deep, deep roots that go probably without skipping

1284
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 2: a generation, some of them all the way back to.

1285
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 1: To those roots across in Europe.

1286
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 2: I mean, no doubt and uh and uh, and that

1287
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 2: love of hounds and pursuit is still there and I

1288
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 2: love it. And I mean I'm not a big I

1289
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 2: don't own deer dogs. I've killed a few deer in

1290
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 2: front of dogs, but it's like not something I personally

1291
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 2: am gonna go do all the time. But I am

1292
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 2: passionate about telling those guys story and letting them tell

1293
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 2: their story. But with the point of it being because

1294
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 2: on this last episode there was a dog story by

1295
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 2: Stony Edwards and then the very last story, which to

1296
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 2: me was the most I really enjoyed. It was from

1297
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 2: a man that has been a heavy influence in my hunting,

1298
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 2: a man named David Albright, who he tells a story

1299
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 2: about killing a about one hundred and fifty five inch

1300
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 2: deer on public land with a traditional bow he made himself.

1301
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 2: And that's like normal for him, like he's been making

1302
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:52,919
Speaker 2: his own bows and hunting on public land for most

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Speaker 2: well for the last thirty five years or so or

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01:06:55,880 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 2: forty years. But I told these two stories side by side,

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01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 2: deer hunting with dogs, and then a traditional bowler who's

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01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 2: hunting out of tree stands, making his own bows, hunting

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01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 2: deer just on public land. And I said, in the

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01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 2: spectrum of deer hunting, these two guys couldn't be further

1309
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 2: opposite each other. They really couldn't. I mean, could you

1310
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 2: think of a more extreme two ways to hunt white tails?

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01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 2: I mean, because hunting with traditional primitive equipment is like

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01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 2: the most primitive, self imposed limitation method of hunting white

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01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 2: tailed deer possible. I mean, perhaps an addle addle where

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01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 2: it's legal. I think the Missouri you can use an

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01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 2: addle addle like that would be more primitive. And then

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01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 2: on the other extreme, I mean, I would argued hunting

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01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 2: with dogs is extremely primitive, but it would be using

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01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 2: a whole different set of metrics to kill a deer.

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Speaker 2: And at my point was these guys are You might

1320
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 2: say they are on opposites and they're not alike, but

1321
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 2: I said, these guys are like fraternal twins. These guys

1322
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 2: are way more alike than they are different. Like if

1323
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 2: you just if you just canvassed planet Earth and all

1324
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 2: the diverse things that people do with their life, it's

1325
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 2: like some people are golfers. Some people watch television that's

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01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:23,799
Speaker 2: all they do. Some people are insurance agents and enjoy uh,

1327
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 2: you know, going on the lake and skiing. Uh, like

1328
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Speaker 2: of all the diverse interests, David Albright and Stony Edwards

1329
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 2: are almost they're they're twins, fraternal twins, Like they have

1330
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:38,519
Speaker 2: way more in common then they have differences, even though

1331
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 2: if you got them, you know that they might be

1332
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:45,639
Speaker 2: seemed like they were different. The whole point of it

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01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 2: was there's power in us sticking together.

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Speaker 5: Sure, real power. Yeah, yeah, it's I mean functional. We

1335
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 5: gotta we gotta understand that, you know, they're instead of

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01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 5: looking for the differences and said, I'll say it about

1337
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 5: myself as much as anybody, but a lot of people,

1338
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:09,680
Speaker 5: including me, at times, like to look for things that

1339
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 5: are negative or complain about things, right uh casey and

1340
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:16,759
Speaker 5: I call it the farmer and the Coyote complex, where

1341
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 5: the farmer if he ever, if he ever actually kills

1342
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:23,320
Speaker 5: that kyote, he doesn't have anything complain about anymore, So

1343
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:25,679
Speaker 5: he doesn't go get to go to the cafe and talk.

1344
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 5: He doesn't really have a whole lot to say, so

1345
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 5: he always misses the kyote kind of on purpose.

1346
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,679
Speaker 1: You know, couldn't my gun wasn't miss fire.

1347
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 5: You know, I couldn't get my gun out of my

1348
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 5: truck quick enough, you know, or whatever. And and uh,

1349
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 5: I think that's what generally, uh, you know, humanity likes

1350
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 5: to complain a little bit. You If you were to

1351
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:46,719
Speaker 5: listen to any popular song, I bet you eighty percent

1352
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 5: of them are complaining songs, you know, especially in country.

1353
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 5: And Uh, anyway, I think that we should, uh, we

1354
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 5: should definitely just be emphatic about your statement there that uh,

1355
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 5: maybe we're more alive with each other sometimes, and we

1356
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:05,640
Speaker 5: think and we should try to emphasize the things that

1357
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 5: we like about people and focus on those things when

1358
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 5: we talk about people, rather than talk about their negatives.

1359
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 5: And again, I am in that discussion a lot. So

1360
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 5: it's something I'm learning to do better, for sure.

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01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that is real.

1362
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 2: It's easy to talk about something like this, but to me,

1363
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 2: where the rubber hits the road and it functionalizes, it's

1364
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 2: easy for me for us three to sit here and

1365
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:35,600
Speaker 2: be on our high horse talking about, you know, unification

1366
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 2: of the hunting community. It's another thing when I go

1367
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 2: out and this recorder isn't working and I'm talking to

1368
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 2: my sons and I'm talking to just other people in camps,

1369
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 2: and it's like I have to have that attitude all

1370
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 2: the time. And that means when I'm out bow hunting

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01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:54,679
Speaker 2: on public land over here and a pack of deer

1372
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 2: dogs runs by me and messes up my hunt, I

1373
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 2: have to just be like, hey, man, they got me

1374
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 2: this time, but you know next time, I bet they won't.

1375
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 2: And you know, those guys had a good time because

1376
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:12,640
Speaker 2: of that. I mean, I have to actually have ideology

1377
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:15,480
Speaker 2: that that reflects.

1378
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 1: What I'm saying.

1379
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, actually take, Yeah, there's a give

1380
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 3: and take color's pointed out grace too. You know, it's like, hey,

1381
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:26,760
Speaker 3: those guys didn't have mal intent to mess up your hunt,

1382
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:29,720
Speaker 3: so you know, like yeah, it's it's it's cool to

1383
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,799
Speaker 3: be frustrated or whatever, you know, but like you shouldn't

1384
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 3: just want to just you know, bring.

1385
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 1: Them harm into what they're doing.

1386
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I talked on the podcast about traditional

1387
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 2: use practices, and I I really have a strong belief

1388
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 2: in inside of hunting, inside of a general conservation plan

1389
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 2: that is beneficial for the resource, but including traditional use

1390
01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 2: practices as a major a major thing and making loss.

1391
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like, I think it would be a

1392
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 2: massive crime if in thirty years from now you couldn't

1393
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 2: run deer with dogs in the United States.

1394
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not because I love to do it.

1395
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 2: It's a philosophical position.

1396
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I asked you a question about that.

1397
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 2: So, yeah, I come from a traditional use practice culture

1398
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:24,679
Speaker 2: of a hog dogging.

1399
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 1: So it's different than running than deer with dogs.

1400
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 3: But you know, you're familiar with it's baying hogs with dogs,

1401
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 3: and I grew up doing it.

1402
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:35,520
Speaker 1: A lot of guys doing it in different ways.

1403
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 3: But there's a gruesome nature to some of it, and

1404
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 3: I would I would definitely this and this kind of

1405
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 3: ties the media thing together with what you're talking about

1406
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:46,759
Speaker 3: with with you know, deer dogs and stuff like I would,

1407
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 3: I for sure would say that there are things that

1408
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 3: happen when you're running hogs with dogs that doesn't need

1409
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 3: to make the light of day for most individuals. And

1410
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 3: I would even go so far as to say that

1411
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 3: there are publications, whether it be you know, private or commercialized.

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01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 3: I'm not really I don't want to say what, but

1413
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 3: just videos have come out that I believe have hurt

1414
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 3: the image of hog hunting with dogs just because it

1415
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 3: is not a It ain't for the faint of heart,

1416
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Sure, So like there is

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01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 3: there a way where, you know, the publicizing hunting deer

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Speaker 3: with dogs has a similar effect.

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01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 2: Right right, That's a good question. And I don't think

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01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 2: there's the right answer. I think guys might just have opinions.

1421
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,400
Speaker 2: But I was confronted with this big time with the

1422
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 2: bear bear hound hunting community ten years ago when I

1423
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:51,559
Speaker 2: was running Bear Hunting magazine and we began to highlight

1424
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,200
Speaker 2: bear hunting with hounds more than it had ever been

1425
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 2: highlighted nationally, and there was some group of people that

1426
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 2: I felt like, we're upset with us for showing something

1427
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 2: that had kind of been under the radars, so to speak.

1428
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 2: And in my philosophy was we have to tell our

1429
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 2: Let us be the the storyteller of our lives and

1430
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 2: our story and our passion, because if we don't tell

1431
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 2: the story, somebody else will. That is not a license

1432
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:26,720
Speaker 2: to put anything and everything on television or on the YouTube.

1433
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 1: There's there's parts of hunting, just like there's parts of life.

1434
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 1: There's like parts of your life that you don't want

1435
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 1: to broadcast to the world. Yep uh, that are that

1436
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:38,040
Speaker 1: are private, that are ugly.

1437
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 2: That so, I mean, I think it just goes back

1438
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 2: to you talking harshly about my life here claik.

1439
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:46,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it ain't pretty casey.

1440
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 2: We all know it now they so, yeah, do I

1441
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 2: think they need to be putting a bunch of bay

1442
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 2: ups and and and stuff on the internet. I'm a

1443
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 2: little bit undecided, to be honest with you, because I

1444
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:03,599
Speaker 2: think that I think definitely there's some things that that

1445
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 2: that shouldn't But should we completely hide that, I don't think.

1446
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, because our society there was a time

1447
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 2: when that would have just been known that that's the

1448
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 2: way the natural world worked, is that the natural world

1449
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 2: has a has a component, a a god given component

1450
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 2: of brutality inside of it, and.

1451
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 1: As we handle that little part of it.

1452
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 2: And people do have a big problem with humans being

1453
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:37,640
Speaker 2: involved in anything like that. Like they can watch a

1454
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:41,559
Speaker 2: lion like mall and pull the guts out of a

1455
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 2: living gazelle and it's like not a problem for them,

1456
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 2: But if they watched a person release a dog that

1457
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 2: bays a hog, which is not nearly as brutal, you know,

1458
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:53,080
Speaker 2: they might have problems with it, and so you know,

1459
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 2: that's that's a it's a tough one. But at the

1460
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 2: same time, what what what I think we have to

1461
01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 2: say is that what we're doing inside of hunting is

1462
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 2: highly regulated, highly backed by science, highly backed by a ethos.

1463
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:11,759
Speaker 2: Inside the hunting community in general, there's always bad apples.

1464
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:13,599
Speaker 2: There's always guys that are going to break the rules,

1465
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 2: there's always outlaws. There's always going to be people in tennis,

1466
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 2: in golf, in jet skiing and hunting that are gonna

1467
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 2: make us look bad. But in general, the hunting community

1468
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 2: is trying to be as absolutely humane as possible in

1469
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 2: everything that we do. We're trying to make ethical shots.

1470
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 2: We're trying to take down animals quick and clean kills.

1471
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:35,879
Speaker 2: We're trying to minimize any amount of suffering for anything.

1472
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 2: Always we always do, but sometimes that the very nature

1473
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 2: of what we're doing is rough, and I feel like.

1474
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 1: Society just has to be okay with that.

1475
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 2: It needs to trust us inside of that space, because

1476
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:53,719
Speaker 2: I mean, we could get into all the philosophical elements

1477
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 2: of like you see a angus beefsteak on the counter

1478
01:16:57,200 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 2: at the in the freezer at the grocery store, and

1479
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 2: it's like brother, that animal lived in a tremendous amount

1480
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 2: of trauma on it's life.

1481
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was. You know, you could talk

1482
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 1: about all the.

1483
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:12,799
Speaker 2: Different things that went into the quality of that animal's

1484
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 2: life versus the quality of life that.

1485
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 1: A deer that we killed had.

1486
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 2: And I mean, I you know, we're gonna win that

1487
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 2: ethical debate that that wild animal had an incredible life

1488
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:29,919
Speaker 2: until it was taken by a hunter, and so hiding

1489
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 2: that brutality that happens at times very minimal. Of all

1490
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:36,280
Speaker 2: the animal kills that I've witnessed in my life, a

1491
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 2: very a small percentage of them have been like that.

1492
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:44,639
Speaker 2: And that's just the truth, and it's not the norm.

1493
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:48,840
Speaker 2: And but I do think a guy's got to have

1494
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 2: good judgment and it helps as we continue to broadcast

1495
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:54,680
Speaker 2: to the world, Hey, we need to be savvy about this.

1496
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:57,679
Speaker 2: We need to be we need to be savvy.

1497
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:00,040
Speaker 3: I'm still working on this theory, but I've got this

1498
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 3: theory that ground meat is going to be the downfall

1499
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:06,639
Speaker 3: of the Western world because it's the it's the first

1500
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:11,599
Speaker 3: transition from the natural state of things that you would

1501
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 3: eat into something that does not resemble what it came from.

1502
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:20,639
Speaker 3: You get what I'm saying, like like it, okay, okay, yeah,

1503
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 3: so like a little bit, a little.

1504
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 1: Bit, I grind a lot of deer meat too. Don't

1505
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 1: get me wrong, I love it.

1506
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 3: But like, uh, I'm gonna tell my wife just a

1507
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 3: little bit, she didn't really like to bite into a

1508
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 3: hunk of steak. She likes ground meat, she doesn't like bones,

1509
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 3: and uh I love her to death, you know, and

1510
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 3: we have two DIFFERENTU.

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01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 1: Pretty you still love her even though that you're a

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01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 1: real saint. Yeah. Well, you know, like we have to actually.

1513
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:46,960
Speaker 3: Appreciate the differences of us and our wives because we

1514
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:48,720
Speaker 3: don't want I don't want to actually be married to

1515
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 3: Tyler with people just think we are close, you know

1516
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 3: what I mean. Harry legged boys weird me out right.

1517
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 3: So like, uh, I appreciate her some of her you know,

1518
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 3: dainty nature, right, And but at the same time, there's

1519
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:04,360
Speaker 3: this this thing of like, you know, everybody likes to

1520
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:07,599
Speaker 3: criticize tofu or vegan dice or whatever, and it's like, hey,

1521
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 3: you know, like this all kind of started back when

1522
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 3: the first person was like, you know what, let me

1523
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:14,559
Speaker 3: take this meat and chop it up real small and

1524
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 3: make it into something that doesn't look like what it

1525
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 3: was in the field, you know, you know, so.

1526
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 1: This is just still this is still in development.

1527
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 3: But I kind of feel like the burger patty or

1528
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 3: the chicken nugget is kind of like that first thing

1529
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:31,640
Speaker 3: that removes people from the idea that you know, they

1530
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 3: don't they're not actually taking muscular tissue and breaking it down.

1531
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 3: It's already done for them. So it's kind of like

1532
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:40,880
Speaker 3: it's not as real as the original steak.

1533
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 1: Are you are you? Are you grinding shaming people? No?

1534
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 3: Like I said, I'm right, but I think that maybe

1535
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 3: people should have to grind their own meat.

1536
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:51,760
Speaker 1: Well they do when they chew up a steak. Well,

1537
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 1: that's true, but I'm saying those people aren't the people

1538
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:57,559
Speaker 1: who are consuming the ground are aren't you know, doing that?

1539
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 5: Like like, here's my here's my full circle moment right here,

1540
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 5: we're going back to uh kind of the I don't know,

1541
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:08,640
Speaker 5: at the genesis of this thing. You started to kind

1542
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 5: of ask us about how the Mediater thing was going,

1543
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:13,760
Speaker 5: And I think that if there's one huge benefit to

1544
01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:18,760
Speaker 5: working for Mediator, there's there's a couple. But this is

1545
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 5: this is one of the one of the major benefits

1546
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:26,639
Speaker 5: is that the balance that you play with in your

1547
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 5: mind at all times as a guy who's creating hunting

1548
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 5: media is like, uh, where is that line? What's the

1549
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 5: line that I shouldn't show?

1550
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?

1551
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:42,240
Speaker 5: So, for instance, with us, you know, early on, uh,

1552
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 5: we thought, well, we're just gonna put out pretty much everything,

1553
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 5: and we're gonna be completely transparent and honest with with

1554
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:50,720
Speaker 5: everything that we video. And then you put out a

1555
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 5: couple of videos where deer die slow or uh you

1556
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 5: may not even recover one that you hit, but you

1557
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 5: got good footage of it because we're both hunting and

1558
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 5: we're twenty yards from these things, you know, and or

1559
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 5: thirty or whatever, and you end up getting a lot

1560
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:06,840
Speaker 5: of hate all of a sudden, you know, and then

1561
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 5: you're like questioning, well, is that the right move?

1562
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 4: Did I do that right?

1563
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 5: Should we do it different next time if that happens,

1564
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 5: you know, if we if we don't get a good,

1565
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:16,760
Speaker 5: clean kill on a deer, should we not show it?

1566
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:20,880
Speaker 5: And then you start going, well, if we don't, you know,

1567
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:24,759
Speaker 5: the income stream that we have at the time starts

1568
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:27,280
Speaker 5: to fade. If we can't get out you know a

1569
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 5: video that month or whatever, you know, just I'm just

1570
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:31,760
Speaker 5: throwing a lot. This is some of this is hypothetical,

1571
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:33,599
Speaker 5: but it is things that we've dealt with here and there.

1572
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 5: And you go through these these things in your mind, right,

1573
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 5: and at the end of the day you're like, man,

1574
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:42,880
Speaker 5: my kids, you know, I can't even afford to take

1575
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 5: them out to dinner at all this month, you know,

1576
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:48,639
Speaker 5: and celebrate a birthday the way I want to or whatever.

1577
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:50,200
Speaker 5: And you kind of just got all these It's a

1578
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:52,559
Speaker 5: bunch of different variables that go on. And I would

1579
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 5: just say that with the meat eater opportunity that we have,

1580
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 5: it helps a lot for to be able to go, Okay,

1581
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:03,640
Speaker 5: what is the most tasteful thing that we should do,

1582
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 5: what is the most what is the best thing for

1583
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:09,160
Speaker 5: hunting that we can put out? And if we end up,

1584
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 5: you know, having something happen that doesn't go the way

1585
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 5: you want it to, which occasionally does go that way,

1586
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 5: if we're all honest about it, you're able to just say,

1587
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 5: you know what, let's just let's just not show that

1588
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 5: because that deer had a huge hole in it or whatever,

1589
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:27,720
Speaker 5: you know, like it may have died quick, but it

1590
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 5: maybe it's really gruesome, you know, or whatever. So you

1591
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 5: just I don't know, and we're always constantly balancing that thing.

1592
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:35,400
Speaker 5: We're trying to learn, we're putting out stuff that maybe

1593
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 5: maybe we shouldn't have, and then we can kind of

1594
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:41,240
Speaker 5: rescind that in the future when something like that similar happens.

1595
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 5: So I guess it's what I'm saying is, uh, you know,

1596
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 5: a lot of these people that are putting out things

1597
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 5: that are pretty distasteful to most people. They probably a

1598
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 5: lot of them are just trying to survive their brand

1599
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:57,680
Speaker 5: and make their brand survive and hopes that you know,

1600
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:00,840
Speaker 5: they'll be able to make a dollar. It's and it's all.

1601
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:02,640
Speaker 5: There's a lot of things to that. So I'm not

1602
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:06,559
Speaker 5: trying to justify for anybody h that's you know, being

1603
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 5: crude or whatever. But I'm just saying there's a lot

1604
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:10,679
Speaker 5: of variables in these questions.

1605
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:10,920
Speaker 4: Man.

1606
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1607
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:16,440
Speaker 2: Well, and and that would be probably the the biggest

1608
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 2: point that this group that would be talking negatively about

1609
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:25,439
Speaker 2: the influence of social media and hunting television or not

1610
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:28,719
Speaker 2: that television, but hunting related media. I think that would

1611
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 2: be there maybe a strong point on on their side

1612
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 2: is that sometimes that kind of stuff happens.

1613
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:35,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it does, man, it does.

1614
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:40,120
Speaker 5: But you know, people get injuries in football too, no

1615
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:42,439
Speaker 5: matter how many regulations they put on it, you know.

1616
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 5: I mean, the world has problems, you know, So we

1617
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 5: just try to do it to the best of our ability.

1618
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:54,680
Speaker 5: And and uh, I like I guess at the end

1619
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 5: of the day, Like what I was saying is just that, Uh,

1620
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:01,720
Speaker 5: it's nice to be able to have the support from

1621
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 5: meat Eater to do what we need to do and

1622
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,960
Speaker 5: what's best for the hunting community at all times. It

1623
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 5: definitely just it's a peace of mind as much as

1624
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:10,120
Speaker 5: anything for us.

1625
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:11,559
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1626
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:17,160
Speaker 2: Man, Well, you know, I think I'm the older I get,

1627
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:21,599
Speaker 2: the more I'm confronted with we will reap the fruit

1628
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:27,320
Speaker 2: of the decisions that we're making right now. There will

1629
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:30,519
Speaker 2: come a time when there will be an evaluation on

1630
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:36,719
Speaker 2: this generation of hunters' lives, just like there's been massive

1631
01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:41,680
Speaker 2: evaluation done on the market hunters. Daniel Boone and Crockett

1632
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:45,719
Speaker 2: and all these guys. It's like, man, in the moment,

1633
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:49,559
Speaker 2: what they did made perfect sense, and it's hard to

1634
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:53,800
Speaker 2: even for them to to fathom that they would have

1635
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:56,760
Speaker 2: had the foresight to know that what they were doing

1636
01:24:56,920 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 2: was ultimately leading to massive destruction. But now it's like

1637
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:04,439
Speaker 2: so easy, Like you don't even have to It's not

1638
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:06,719
Speaker 2: you don't even have to convince someone. It's like, yeah,

1639
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:09,280
Speaker 2: market Honting was really bad.

1640
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:12,719
Speaker 1: And and we.

1641
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 2: Can look back at all the generations and find faults

1642
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 2: with the way that they did things.

1643
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 1: And one day generations will look back at.

1644
01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:28,600
Speaker 2: Us and they'll say, what did the people do that

1645
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:33,559
Speaker 2: started with, you know, the first hunters that encountered social

1646
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:37,320
Speaker 2: media and YouTube and a global audience.

1647
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 1: Like what did they do?

1648
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1649
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, well man, And where's the line between what you

1650
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 5: believe and what is culturally acceptable and pandering to that?

1651
01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:50,800
Speaker 5: You know, Like that's a hard line to draw. What

1652
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:54,160
Speaker 5: do you you know? Because as you know, Clay, not

1653
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 5: everybody believes like you.

1654
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:58,439
Speaker 4: You know, and and uh, there's.

1655
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 1: Probably actually about scent control.

1656
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:03,559
Speaker 4: There's a small segment you know or whatever.

1657
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:07,880
Speaker 5: But you know, I guess you have to that's a

1658
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 5: thing you have to understand, try to understand better as

1659
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 5: we go through this. And it's a it's a frontier right, yeah,

1660
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 5: what we're at right now.

1661
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:15,680
Speaker 1: That's a great point too.

1662
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 3: And here's the other deal too, is like we're doing

1663
01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:19,280
Speaker 3: the best we can with the information that we have

1664
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:22,760
Speaker 3: currently and that stuff changes. It's like you were saying,

1665
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:25,759
Speaker 3: you know, with Boon and them guys, like market hunting

1666
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:29,400
Speaker 3: worked then, and you know what it could have sustained

1667
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:32,000
Speaker 3: if a ton of other variables went a different direction too,

1668
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:35,400
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like I get the population

1669
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:38,800
Speaker 3: the US is higher at the moment, but like there

1670
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:41,760
Speaker 3: was a gazillion buffalo on the landscape and now there's

1671
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 3: a gazillion cows, you know, so it's like that probably

1672
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:49,000
Speaker 3: doesn't work. The math didn't work out perfect. But you

1673
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:50,600
Speaker 3: get what I'm saying is it's like I think I

1674
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 3: see what you're saying. It's not that what they did

1675
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:59,800
Speaker 3: directly lead to some bad stuff, but it's the extenuating

1676
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:02,439
Speaker 3: so circumstances that are beyond the control of this certain

1677
01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:04,719
Speaker 3: individual that actually writes history.

1678
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 1: Right.

1679
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:10,559
Speaker 5: So like if there has to be a scapegoat.

1680
01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 1: Somebody otherwise, you know, you have to look in the mirror,

1681
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:13,400
Speaker 1: you know.

1682
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 3: And that's that nobody wants to do that, that's right,

1683
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:22,439
Speaker 3: these gray hairs, man. But you know, it's a essentially

1684
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:24,560
Speaker 3: it's like what you're saying, Man, there's a lot of

1685
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:27,240
Speaker 3: variables and we just have to do the best that

1686
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 3: we know to do.

1687
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:33,320
Speaker 1: And that just be what we focus on. Yeah, I

1688
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 1: think one of.

1689
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:39,200
Speaker 2: The there's all kind of there's all kind of bright

1690
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:42,240
Speaker 2: spots inside of where we're at with wildlife in North America.

1691
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 1: I mean, incredible bright spots.

1692
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:49,280
Speaker 2: We talked about how we are in the heyday of

1693
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:50,040
Speaker 2: white tailed deer.

1694
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 1: Hunting and that that that doesn't come for me.

1695
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:57,320
Speaker 2: I was in at an event with Kip Adams of

1696
01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:01,760
Speaker 2: the National Deer Association, and I mean, basically that's what

1697
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 2: he said. I mean, when you look at all the

1698
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 2: factors and the amount of deer, the number of big deer,

1699
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:10,639
Speaker 2: the amount of access that people have, it's like we're

1700
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:11,800
Speaker 2: in the heyday of white tailed deer.

1701
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 1: Honey.

1702
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:19,719
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm I'm I know, like the bigger deer

1703
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:23,040
Speaker 2: that I've killed in my life at one time was

1704
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:27,479
Speaker 2: kind of a big deal even regionally to me, and

1705
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:30,519
Speaker 2: today it's like, kylie, I mean, one hundred and fifty

1706
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:37,479
Speaker 2: inch deer is just like fairly common. And I'm telling you,

1707
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:41,760
Speaker 2: twenty five years ago they were not. Yeah, and it's

1708
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:44,439
Speaker 2: we're in the heyday. There's a lot of really bright

1709
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:48,720
Speaker 2: spots inside of hunting. There's also a lot of very

1710
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:53,760
Speaker 2: real existential threats to the long term sustainability of what

1711
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:54,160
Speaker 2: we do.

1712
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 1: And I think that's why we just have to work

1713
01:28:56,479 --> 01:28:58,599
Speaker 1: to show the.

1714
01:29:00,439 --> 01:29:02,720
Speaker 2: To show the best side of hunting, to have intelligent

1715
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:05,040
Speaker 2: arguments for the reason we do things that we do,

1716
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:08,080
Speaker 2: but also tell the story of the culture of hunting

1717
01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:10,439
Speaker 2: and how this is really a part of who we

1718
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:14,720
Speaker 2: are as Americans is the ability to hunt. And we

1719
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:16,519
Speaker 2: got to tell this human story. And I feel like

1720
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:19,560
Speaker 2: that's what we're trying to do at Bear Grease is

1721
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:24,240
Speaker 2: tell the human and cultural story of hunting and its

1722
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:29,160
Speaker 2: significance aside from and and it's like, yeah, there's a

1723
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:33,200
Speaker 2: lot behind this that's powerful, And I think that carves

1724
01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 2: a space in society, like someone might be able to

1725
01:29:36,439 --> 01:29:40,559
Speaker 2: listen to some of our stories and understand hunting maybe

1726
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:43,760
Speaker 2: like they never have before, Like they understand Okay, now

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01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 2: I kind of see why they do that. And and

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01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:52,479
Speaker 2: and I think that's important. But yeah, a lot of

1729
01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:56,559
Speaker 2: a lot of threats, but also a lot of bright spots, and.

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01:29:57,680 --> 01:29:58,439
Speaker 1: You're one of them. Man.

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01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:01,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, Man, we're we're glads that you're leading this ship man,

1732
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:05,640
Speaker 5: and we were very appreciative to have you as uh

1733
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:08,800
Speaker 5: it's not just a friend, but also somebody that we

1734
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:11,719
Speaker 5: get to work with towards the same kind of goals.

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01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:11,920
Speaker 4: Man.

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01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:16,840
Speaker 1: Shoot, man, I appreciate it. I appreciate it. I just

1737
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:19,320
Speaker 1: need to go back hunting with you guys again. Come on,

1738
01:30:20,439 --> 01:30:21,880
Speaker 1: we've been talking about this a little bit.

1739
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:25,080
Speaker 3: You got all busy with some interesting stuff you got

1740
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 3: going on. But I know there's some hate. Just you know,

1741
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:33,040
Speaker 3: when you get back in December, be jealous. You need

1742
01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 3: to talk to us something.

1743
01:30:36,439 --> 01:30:40,559
Speaker 1: I'm already jealous. I don't get jealous. I really don't

1744
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 1: get jealous.

1745
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:46,599
Speaker 2: I I'm when I see somebody's success, I'm pumped for him.

1746
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:47,920
Speaker 1: Well, what we need you to do?

1747
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:47,960
Speaker 2: Do?

1748
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 1: Wish I could go hunt with him.

1749
01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 3: You know, here in Texas, you don't have to put

1750
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:53,280
Speaker 3: on the wet suit to do swim upon a deer.

1751
01:30:53,400 --> 01:30:56,120
Speaker 3: You actually just wear your Bermutera shorts and go swim

1752
01:30:56,200 --> 01:30:59,120
Speaker 3: up on the deer and shoo find off the water bosks.

1753
01:30:59,160 --> 01:30:59,320
Speaker 1: You know.

1754
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:00,760
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

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01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:05,519
Speaker 2: Man, we we're gonna close her down here. We've been

1756
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:07,000
Speaker 2: going for an hour and a half. It's been great.

1757
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:09,559
Speaker 2: This is longer than most burgers renders. Got sorry about that. Man,

1758
01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:10,720
Speaker 2: long winded guys around here.

1759
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:12,479
Speaker 1: He's good.

1760
01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:13,120
Speaker 4: It's been good.

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01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:15,120
Speaker 1: Good combo, been good combo.

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01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:21,840
Speaker 2: No, I was you saying water Mookasin's I saw a

1763
01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:25,680
Speaker 2: giant rattlesnake that uh while I was deer hunting the

1764
01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:27,479
Speaker 2: other day up in the mountains.

1765
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:28,080
Speaker 1: It was pretty cool.

1766
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:29,880
Speaker 4: Did you put that on Instagram? I think I saw that.

1767
01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:33,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was awesomember. Radlers are so pretty, man,

1768
01:31:34,360 --> 01:31:35,720
Speaker 1: they are, they are, they are.

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01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:40,240
Speaker 2: I've had some good I've had some fun hunts this year,

1770
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:43,200
Speaker 2: but it's been tough so far. Close us down, where y'all,

1771
01:31:43,240 --> 01:31:45,280
Speaker 2: Where y'all going next? Where y'all headed next?

1772
01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:47,760
Speaker 3: Man, that's a great question, Clay. It sounds like you're

1773
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:49,920
Speaker 3: trying to, you know, write me a citation somewhere.

1774
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:51,519
Speaker 4: I don't want all these people showing up on our

1775
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:52,639
Speaker 4: public lands, you know.

1776
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:53,640
Speaker 1: That's right.

1777
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 3: I got i got some unfinished business up in the

1778
01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:58,160
Speaker 3: North Country. I'm about to go address in a couple

1779
01:31:58,120 --> 01:31:58,519
Speaker 3: of days.

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01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:03,439
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, up in the plane as specific as you'll get, Yeah,

1781
01:32:03,479 --> 01:32:06,560
Speaker 2: that's right.

1782
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:11,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I mean it's it's just full boor whitetail

1783
01:32:11,400 --> 01:32:12,920
Speaker 3: from here on now. We're gonna pretty much hit about

1784
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:15,120
Speaker 3: as many states as we can get to, and at

1785
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:16,639
Speaker 3: some point in time. We're gonna be in your home

1786
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:19,080
Speaker 3: state here this fall. Looking real forward to that. It's

1787
01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:22,439
Speaker 3: I mean it's a beautiful place, ye yeah, very natural.

1788
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:22,680
Speaker 1: Ye.

1789
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:28,840
Speaker 2: Well, good luck to you guys man, thanks for being

1790
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:32,519
Speaker 2: on the Bear Grease Render, and uh, just for everybody

1791
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:35,720
Speaker 2: out there, if you're looking for some fun stuff, check

1792
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:38,040
Speaker 2: out all of the Elements YouTube videos.

1793
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:39,240
Speaker 1: They have their own YouTube channel.

1794
01:32:39,479 --> 01:32:43,040
Speaker 2: But they also it's kind of confusing, flights complex and

1795
01:32:43,080 --> 01:32:47,800
Speaker 2: confusing that they also have a series called buck Truck

1796
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:51,280
Speaker 2: on the Meat Eater YouTube channel, So you can go

1797
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:53,880
Speaker 2: back and look for the buck Truck and there's like

1798
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:57,360
Speaker 2: seven episodes, I think, and one of our episodes is

1799
01:32:57,360 --> 01:33:00,360
Speaker 2: on there. The Arkansas Deer Hunt that I did with

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01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:03,880
Speaker 2: Casey and Tyler last last year, had a great time.

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01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:06,240
Speaker 5: I wanted them to spell it with a W at

1802
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:08,800
Speaker 5: the end, but they wouldn't let me. Man, Oh that

1803
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:09,559
Speaker 5: would have been good.

1804
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:11,800
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, that's some.

1805
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:14,640
Speaker 2: That's some deep bear grease stuff right. There are a

1806
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:16,920
Speaker 2: whole series on arsa W.

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01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:19,720
Speaker 5: I know it, man, You know, I appreciate the opportunity

1808
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:23,679
Speaker 5: to do this. Clay and we h one other thing.

1809
01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:25,960
Speaker 5: If I could just give one more little plug. Here

1810
01:33:26,040 --> 01:33:29,120
Speaker 5: is our podcast. The Element podcast is a good way

1811
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:31,599
Speaker 5: to keep up with everything and much more detail about

1812
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:33,960
Speaker 5: what we're doing. So if you're interested in in that,

1813
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:36,600
Speaker 5: or if you want to hear more about the Arkansas

1814
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:39,320
Speaker 5: buck truck trip that wasn't in the video, we talk

1815
01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:41,720
Speaker 5: about that on our podcast, you know, so you can

1816
01:33:41,800 --> 01:33:44,840
Speaker 5: check that out over on whatever whatever network you get

1817
01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:45,320
Speaker 5: this one on.

1818
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:48,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the other cool thing that's going on with

1819
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:51,799
Speaker 2: meet he or to YouTube is you can watch all

1820
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:55,040
Speaker 2: of the Meat Eater season twelve episodes. So this is

1821
01:33:56,240 --> 01:34:00,479
Speaker 2: Steve Ranella's Meat Eater, the famed show, in its twelfth season.

1822
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:05,280
Speaker 2: And I think it's wild that the place, the platform

1823
01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:11,040
Speaker 2: that we're putting that today first is on YouTube. It's wild.

1824
01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:14,640
Speaker 2: It's it's because it's such a it's such it's like

1825
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:19,000
Speaker 2: such a big platform. So there's still four people are confused.

1826
01:34:19,240 --> 01:34:20,800
Speaker 2: It's it's hard to keep track of. But you know,

1827
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:24,519
Speaker 2: there's four seasons of media that's still on Netflix, like

1828
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:31,800
Speaker 2: season maybe eight, nine, ten, eleven, something like that, or

1829
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:35,040
Speaker 2: so you can go to Netflix and watch it. But

1830
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:38,920
Speaker 2: the new seasons, seasons eleven and twelve are now on

1831
01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:43,400
Speaker 2: the Meat Eater YouTube channel and those are good Man

1832
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:47,879
Speaker 2: Man Ranella's show is just it's it's next level, always

1833
01:34:47,880 --> 01:34:51,840
Speaker 2: has been, always been my favorite. I'd be hard to top,

1834
01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:53,040
Speaker 2: but uh so you can.

1835
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:55,000
Speaker 1: Check that out and uh.

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01:34:57,080 --> 01:35:00,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, well guys, good luck to y'all.

1837
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:01,479
Speaker 5: Thanks, and we're gonna get after it. I hope you

1838
01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:04,080
Speaker 5: have safe travels this year. Man, we'll be talking to you.

1839
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:06,519
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Blake m