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Speaker 4: All right, ladies, the Dallas Cowboys back at the start
Speaker 4: and first go tonight for an open training camp for
Speaker 4: the local folks here uh in the DFW area. So
Speaker 4: very exciting times. However, a little somber weekend, uh if
Speaker 4: you will, with those injury updates, So let's get let's
Speaker 4: get into that first, because I really feel like we
Speaker 4: need to give some flowers where they're due. As far
Speaker 4: as the guys that had impacted, we know Demarvin Overshown
Speaker 4: and John Stevens Junior out for the season with acl
Speaker 4: injuries on their knees there. So this has sat with
Speaker 4: me all weekend. I have not been able to really
Speaker 4: absorb this for them because it is such a devastating
Speaker 4: blow we had a conference call with Mike McCarthy yesterday,
Speaker 4: and he talked about these guys specifically, and he was
Speaker 4: very very empathetic about it, which is so nice to
Speaker 4: see from a head coach.
Speaker 6: He didn't make it about business.
Speaker 4: He said, we have to keep our arms around both
Speaker 4: young men and support them.
Speaker 6: He basically talked about how.
Speaker 4: He wants us to be an opportunity eventually for both
Speaker 4: of them to grow in other areas in the long run.
Speaker 4: But when he was talking about them, he said, we
Speaker 4: lost two of the brightest stars in our rookie class.
Speaker 4: So again you could tell it just weigh heavy on
Speaker 4: his heart. He even said about Demarvian that, frankly, you
Speaker 4: can make the argument that he's been the star of
Speaker 4: the rookie class.
Speaker 6: Ladies.
Speaker 4: I just wanted I want to open this first segment
Speaker 4: up to talk about Demarvian and John because really there
Speaker 4: are two guys we've talked about on this podcast about
Speaker 4: how excited we were to see them continue in camp
Speaker 4: and continue in the preseason and all the things that
Speaker 4: they've been doing. Haley, you did that amazing story on overshown, So.
Speaker 6: I'm going to open the floor to you, guys.
Speaker 4: I personally, I need to get this off my chest because,
Speaker 4: like I said, it's been sitting very heavy on me.
Speaker 4: So I imagine it feeled the same way for you guys. So, Haley,
Speaker 4: what was it like when you were there? Because you
Speaker 4: were in Seattle when everything happened, you got to see
Speaker 4: them afterwards? Did you get to talk to them kind
Speaker 4: of what happened?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Being that I have a background in kinesiology, my
Speaker 5: undergraduate degree is in exercise science. Immediately, when I saw
Speaker 5: the tackle and the way Demarvian's knee sort of fell
Speaker 5: outward as opposed to just kind of collapsing, that's kind
Speaker 5: of a tailtale sign of an ACL injury because the
Speaker 5: ACL acts as tape over the front of your knee, right,
Speaker 5: and so as soon as it rips, your support goes
Speaker 5: from this to this. And so there was a picture
Speaker 5: as we were going through in the press box trying
Speaker 5: to get the story uploaded, you just saw the picture
Speaker 5: of his knee and it was just kind of folded outward,
Speaker 5: and so you kind of knew it. Obviously he was
Speaker 5: in good spirits. He walked off and a lot of
Speaker 5: people don't know this, but when you tear your ACL,
Speaker 5: a lot of times you can still walk afterwards, So
Speaker 5: I think everybody kind of knew the news in terms
Speaker 5: of over showing what happened. John Stevens as well, another
Speaker 5: guy who was able to walk to the locker room.
Speaker 5: We watched him walk, so it's unfortunate I did get
Speaker 5: a chance to catch up with him when we got
Speaker 5: on the bus to leave Seattle, and I just I
Speaker 5: walked back and it's so funny because you know, I
Speaker 5: get to have a very unique relationship with the rookies
Speaker 5: because I spend a lot of time with them in
Speaker 5: this first year. And so I walked back and it
Speaker 5: was Demo, Mazie, Isaiah Land, and Jalen Brooks, four of
Speaker 5: my absolute favorites in this rookie class. So I walk
Speaker 5: back and I'm like, oh my gosh, all my favorites.
Speaker 5: And I look at Demo and I said, how are
Speaker 5: you doing? And he said I'm good And I said, no, really,
Speaker 5: how are you doing? And he said, whatever happens, I'm good.
Speaker 5: I'm blessed. And you've seen it all over his social
Speaker 5: media this weekend of him just saying I'm still blessed,
Speaker 5: I'm still blessed, and highly favored and So while it
Speaker 5: is unfortunate because to Mike McCarthy's point, he has been
Speaker 5: the best rookie in terms of production both at practice
Speaker 5: and during games, I'm not so much worried about it
Speaker 5: because I know if any of those guys were going
Speaker 5: to take on this type of setback, that it's Demo.
Speaker 5: So he is in good spirits. I know it's going
Speaker 5: to get frustrating at times, but he reminds me so
Speaker 5: much of Demoun Clark in the way that he's going
Speaker 5: to attack this rehab and get better and be stronger. So,
Speaker 5: you know, a tough break definitely, and John Stevens as well.
Speaker 5: I don't want to get it confused, like that's also
Speaker 5: a big blow to us as well. But yeah, it's
Speaker 5: definitely awful for lack of better terms, But at the
Speaker 5: same time, I know that he's going to be a
Speaker 5: strong soldier and be able to kind of push through this.
Speaker 7: Yeah, to pick your back off of that. Like I
Speaker 7: struggled to sleep like that night because you watch his
Speaker 7: story and then obviously to like with the Marveon overshown
Speaker 7: getting into his film and just seeing what he's capable
Speaker 7: of doing. I was just I was just gutted for
Speaker 7: him and being someone that struggled through a serious injury
Speaker 7: as well myself, Like, I understand the rehab this and
Speaker 7: the stuff it takes. So to your point, Hayley, I
Speaker 7: was just very when he said like I'm good.
Speaker 6: He was.
Speaker 7: He was being for real, like I believe it. I
Speaker 7: believe that he feels like he can get through this
Speaker 7: rehab and be okay. So I'm just hoping that he
Speaker 7: cat was a fantastic training staff, really hoping he attacks
Speaker 7: that rehab and comes back just as strong.
Speaker 8: And yeah.
Speaker 4: No, And I was going to say, when you have
Speaker 4: a guy like Damon Clark, you have a guy like
Speaker 4: Leyton Vandrush who's been with Damon Clark every step the
Speaker 4: way with his rehab process, given their different injuries, you
Speaker 4: have guys in this room that know what it's like to.
Speaker 6: Be taken out of the game because of a serious injury.
Speaker 4: They know the mental process as well, and you know,
Speaker 4: maybe it's taking time for it to set in. They
Speaker 4: know all of those feelings, they know all of the
Speaker 4: things that it takes. So it's really I think special
Speaker 4: for this team to come together and really, like Mike
Speaker 4: McCarthy said, put their arms around them during this time.
Speaker 4: During that conference call, he was asked about the depth
Speaker 4: and the linebacker group and saying, you know, he was asked,
Speaker 4: what does this mean? Are you going to look outside
Speaker 4: the building? And he was asked about another group that
Speaker 4: we'll talk about later on in the show, but he
Speaker 4: was asked about the linebacker group and he said that
Speaker 4: they're really going to lean on the younger guys right
Speaker 4: now and see what this is. He essentially said, this
Speaker 4: is a business and when things like this happen, the
Speaker 4: next guy has to be ready, so that next man
Speaker 4: at mentality still sticks, mentioning Devid.
Speaker 6: Harper and Gibarrel Cox by name.
Speaker 4: So those are two guys that I think automatically we
Speaker 4: all knew were going to start to get those reps.
Speaker 4: So as far as the linebacker group, he was asked
Speaker 4: about that, he didn't really touch on the tight end
Speaker 4: room because as we know, that's already a very stacked room.
Speaker 4: I think with John Stevens Junior out, that impacts and
Speaker 4: has a ripple effect. So I usually I want to
Speaker 4: defer back to you on this one. With John Stevens
Speaker 4: Junior out, because we know what a productive camp he's had.
Speaker 4: How much he has really risen to the challenge during
Speaker 4: this camp. What does his absence do potentially for that
Speaker 4: final roster spot.
Speaker 7: Well, I mean I would say that it kind of
Speaker 7: maybe simplifies things. I feel like John Stevens has been
Speaker 7: playing fantastic football, and if you didn't have him in
Speaker 7: the conversation of like, okay, is he gonna make this roster?
Speaker 7: Are you gonna are you gonna keep on keep four
Speaker 7: tight ends or how is this gonna work? I think
Speaker 7: it would be very difficult, given how consistent he's been
Speaker 7: at camp to just not acknowledge that or not consider
Speaker 7: him as a gentleman that may make this roster and
Speaker 7: make an impact. So I and also too, I wanted
Speaker 7: to add on to what you said about the linebackers
Speaker 7: with jabro Cox and with jabro Cox and Devin Harper,
Speaker 7: these guys need. These guys just haven't had a lot
Speaker 7: of reps, they haven't had a lot of opportunity. So
Speaker 7: I think that's a huge reason why McCarthy definitely is
Speaker 7: just like we'll call to McCarthy rather it's just like, hey,
Speaker 7: you know, we're gonna give these guys the opportunity, And
Speaker 7: I in fairness, I think that is because they haven't
Speaker 7: had a lot of reps. But yeah, I wanted to
Speaker 7: add on.
Speaker 6: No, that's a great point, great point, Haley.
Speaker 4: We just got a question saying basically on our text line,
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Speaker 4: point of the show eight when seven two nine zero
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Speaker 4: think this new star is of the rookie class? With
Speaker 4: Marvi and out, who else has really stood out to
Speaker 4: you within this rookie class.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think the obvious is Deuce fun and
Speaker 5: I think us in the building we kind of knew
Speaker 5: what he would bring to the table, and I know that,
Speaker 5: you know, the outside noise is something that this franchise
Speaker 5: does a really good job of to a degree blocking out.
Speaker 5: But just seeing how his first touch in Saturday's game
Speaker 5: he put the defensive line in a spin cycle all
Speaker 5: the way into the end zone, and again we take
Speaker 5: we take things with a grain of salt because we're
Speaker 5: facing reserve defensive linemen and linebackers and that sort of thing.
Speaker 5: But still, just to see the promise there, I think
Speaker 5: he's looked really good. And going back just to that
Speaker 5: linebacker spot, I'm really excited for what Demarvin Overshown's absence
Speaker 5: will do for a guy like Isaiah Land. I know
Speaker 5: that he is playing defensive end. He wants to be
Speaker 5: a pass rusher. But I think this is a really
Speaker 5: good opportunity for them to find a way to keep
Speaker 5: him on the roster because I think right now where
Speaker 5: Isaiah land sits, he's got so much talent, He's got
Speaker 5: so much skill. I go back to that first game
Speaker 5: against the Jaguars where there was three straight series of
Speaker 5: him being held push to change, push to change, push
Speaker 5: the change, because they're literally they don't want him to
Speaker 5: get to the quarterback. He had glimpses as well against
Speaker 5: Seattle where you could see that burst, You could see
Speaker 5: how effective that he can be. I mean, this is
Speaker 5: a guy who had an abnormal amount of sex his
Speaker 5: junior year at FAM you, and so I think it
Speaker 5: gives him an opportunity to have a little bit of
Speaker 5: psition flex the way that Dan Quinn always talks about
Speaker 5: with some of these younger guys. So I think a
Speaker 5: really great opportunity for him to continue to have a
Speaker 5: strong camp and I think also again to get him
Speaker 5: a spot on this on this roster get him a
Speaker 5: spot at the very least onto the practice squad. So yeah,
Speaker 5: I would say, definitely do s Vonn has been impressive,
Speaker 5: but keep your eye on Isaiah Land.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And I don't see what you said, Haley in regards
Speaker 7: to Isaiah Land. This gentleman is also playing with a
Speaker 7: chip on his shoulder. A lot of people, including myself,
Speaker 7: I felt like this guy should have been drafted, and
Speaker 7: it's a it's it's a little disappointed in that sense
Speaker 7: that I feel like he is really showing what he
Speaker 7: is capable of. If I'm not mistaken, I think per
Speaker 7: pff he's the second in the rookie class out of
Speaker 7: all the d ns as far as pressures at this point. Yeah,
Speaker 7: I mean he's getting to the quarterback's He's one of
Speaker 7: those type of players and when you watch him. I
Speaker 7: remember when we first saw him, we me and Haley
Speaker 7: looked at me. She was like, he's bigger than what
Speaker 7: I thought. He's a strong guy, but he gives you that.
Speaker 7: He has a presence to him. You can see that
Speaker 7: he's special. So I agree with you. I would really
Speaker 7: like to see if this is an opportunity to open
Speaker 7: up for him to continue to show what he's capable
Speaker 7: of and maybe be a pass rusher in some of
Speaker 7: these games in the season. And as far as my guy,
Speaker 7: my rookie that I think is now the next star
Speaker 7: now Awesome Richards, I think Awesome Richards has put together
Speaker 7: two really good games to start his season, especially since
Speaker 7: he's had to switch positions on the fly and they're
Speaker 7: asking a lot of him. I think he's answering the call,
Speaker 7: and he, I think is going to be a gentleman
Speaker 7: that's important to what they want to do this season,
Speaker 7: especially from a death piece with this offensive line and
Speaker 7: this season being so long.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would also say too Jalen Brooks, and I
Speaker 5: know a lot of is his game film hasn't necessarily
Speaker 5: matched the energy of his practice film, and so on Saturday,
Speaker 5: I would love for that to translate a little bit more.
Speaker 5: But I said it a couple of weeks ago. He
Speaker 5: has such the potential to be everything you want your
Speaker 5: starting wide receiver. Maybe not this year, maybe not next year,
Speaker 5: but give him some time, give him some offseason, give
Speaker 5: him some reps behind guys like Brandon Cooks and Ceedee Lamb,
Speaker 5: and shoot, even Jalen Tolbert. At this rate with how
Speaker 5: well he's been performing. But yeah, I didn't want to
Speaker 5: let this segment pass without talking about my baby pony.
Speaker 4: Oh well, don't you worry. I was gonna mention it.
Speaker 4: I was like, I can bring up Jalen Brugs.
Speaker 6: Note.
Speaker 4: What I like about him is how strong his hands are.
Speaker 4: And that was something that I noticed right away at
Speaker 4: camp when we were standing out there.
Speaker 6: I was like, who is that? I was like, that's
Speaker 6: Jalen maybe.
Speaker 4: Three hands, his great hands. He makes the most athletic catches.
Speaker 4: I think that's it's very eye catching when you're watching him.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm so glad you mentioned that. But real quick,
Speaker 4: I wanted to give you injury updates while we're in
Speaker 4: this first block before we go to our second segment
Speaker 4: about Matt will Let's go his shoulder injury. Mike McCarthy
Speaker 4: saying that he is essentially going to see what he
Speaker 4: can do at practice today and he has a chance
Speaker 4: to play on Saturday's game.
Speaker 6: So I would take that with a grain of salts.
Speaker 5: I every time I've heard Mike McCarthy say a player
Speaker 5: has a chance to play, that's code word for he
Speaker 5: ain't playing on site.
Speaker 4: Right, So we'll see with that, and then Ronald Jones
Speaker 4: who was asked about Rojo as well, and he said
Speaker 4: he will be challenged to be ready this week. So
Speaker 4: read between the lines there with that one. But overall
Speaker 4: we're going to get into the offensive line because I
Speaker 4: have a good question to ask you guys about possibly
Speaker 4: bringing in a veteran at this point. What's your opinions
Speaker 4: stand on that? But we're going to get into that
Speaker 4: in the second segment.
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Speaker 4: The Dallas Cowboys fell short to the Seattle Seahawks twenty
Speaker 4: two to fourteen in their second preseason game of twenty
Speaker 4: twenty three, and overall, again, preseason is a great time
Speaker 4: for these young guys to get reps. And that was
Speaker 4: what Mike McCarthy had really talked about yesterday. A lot
Speaker 4: of was this is a time for them to get
Speaker 4: those real, real reps. He said, as far as big
Speaker 4: plays are concerned, yes, they're not winning with those big plays,
Speaker 4: but it's experience and they can grow from it. Let's
Speaker 4: not go line. Of course, we just talked about Matt. Well,
Speaker 4: let's go Haley. I'm gonna defer to you real quick.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about Matt real quick. Did you get to
Speaker 4: catch up with him after the game. What did you
Speaker 4: see as far as shoulder? Was there really anything?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I didn't, I didn't see it. Full disclosure. The
Speaker 5: Seattle game was nuts. So for me, I had to
Speaker 5: host our pre game show and then sprint up to
Speaker 5: the press box. So I missed kickoff because I had
Speaker 5: to get up to the press box and then sprint
Speaker 5: back down to the field to host a halftime, so
Speaker 5: I was basically just doing back and forth doing bleachers
Speaker 5: the whole Seattle game, so I didn't see the injury,
Speaker 5: but it sounds like it's the opposite shoulder from the
Speaker 5: one that he just had surgery on last year. I
Speaker 5: would be interested to talk to someone in the medical field,
Speaker 5: at the very least about how common it is to
Speaker 5: sublux your shoulder like that, because I didn't think it
Speaker 5: was super common, and so to have the same injury
Speaker 5: on both shoulders feels strange to me. So I would
Speaker 5: love to catch up and just learn the science behind that.
Speaker 5: And to me, it sounds kind of like a difficult
Speaker 5: thing to do, to pop your shoulder out, kind of
Speaker 5: sounds like a freak incident. I will say, we saw
Speaker 5: what happened last season whenever he tried to play through
Speaker 5: this injury. I think they tried it for about four
Speaker 5: weeks before they decided we just need to go ahead
Speaker 5: and have the surgery. So if I'm using context clues here,
Speaker 5: I would assume that the subluxation isn't as intense as
Speaker 5: the one last year, which is why they seemed to
Speaker 5: be confident about it. But again, you know, you just
Speaker 5: don't know to me, that's something that you don't want
Speaker 5: to play with. You've already had a soldier surgery for
Speaker 5: the same thing on one side. I don't know if
Speaker 5: you want it on the second shoulder. So yeah, it's interesting,
Speaker 5: but it definitely continues to deplete an offensive line that really,
Speaker 5: really really could use some depth at this moment. So
Speaker 5: definitely something to monitor this week at practice.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we were really looking for Matt will Let's Go
Speaker 7: to possibly come it and be that swing guy and
Speaker 7: go ahead and sure that up. But I think we
Speaker 7: talked about it before last season. My niece she played
Speaker 7: basketball overseas, played all through high school. That was an
Speaker 7: injury she dealt with, and she had a similar incident
Speaker 7: where it wasn't a complete subflection is how you say it, subluxation,
Speaker 7: sub sublexation, but it wasn't a complete one to her
Speaker 7: other side where she had they had told her she
Speaker 7: needs to have surgery, but it was enough to irritate
Speaker 7: her similar to how well Let's Go was and basically
Speaker 7: from her and again I'm just talking about my experience,
Speaker 7: they were telling her that it's a structural thing, that
Speaker 7: it's a hereditary type thing that she was dealing with.
Speaker 7: And I didn't know this until someone mentioned it to
Speaker 7: me on Twitter. They were like, hey, I passed it
Speaker 7: down to my daughters and it's an hereditary thing. So
Speaker 7: I contacted my niece and I was like, Hey, did
Speaker 7: they say that to you at the doctor and she
Speaker 7: was like yeah, they told me that it was probably
Speaker 7: going to continue to happen unless I had surgery on
Speaker 7: both of my shoulders. And this is, in turn an
Speaker 7: injury that actually retired her from her basketball career. She
Speaker 7: played from the time she could walk, So it can
Speaker 7: be an injury that can linger if it's not taken
Speaker 7: care of properly. So Matt Willis goes a very gentlemen.
Speaker 7: I really just am more concerned with his overall health
Speaker 7: and hopefully that he's okay moving forward, because we're not
Speaker 7: just we're not just thinking about what happens in this game.
Speaker 6: We're also thinking about.
Speaker 7: What happens after they're done, right, So, and so it
Speaker 7: has His injury, though back to the ex's of No's,
Speaker 7: has definitely concerned me about who's going to be that
Speaker 7: swing tackle because also too, you're looking at Idoga that is,
Speaker 7: you know, hasn't been playing because he's sailing with the
Speaker 7: injury as well, So we'll be interested to see what
Speaker 7: they do and that for that position, if that is
Speaker 7: bringing a veteran in later in the off season.
Speaker 4: Yeah, overall, the depth is I think what's starting to
Speaker 4: concern a little bit is you you came into training
Speaker 4: camp with a lot of depth with these guys and
Speaker 4: younger guys that really could prove themselves. And now injury,
Speaker 4: of course, and unfortunately it's just a part of the
Speaker 4: game and we hate to see it for anybody.
Speaker 6: It's happened, and so now the question is who is
Speaker 6: that swing tackle? Who is that guy h for the team?
Speaker 4: Some guys I wanted to mention on the O line
Speaker 4: that I saw some great things for was TJ.
Speaker 2: Bass.
Speaker 4: You already mentioned awesome, which was awesome. I love that,
Speaker 4: But I think TJ. Bass did a really good job.
Speaker 4: Matt Owen tweeted out stats from PFF saying that he
Speaker 4: was second on the top five blocking grades versus the Seahawks,
Speaker 4: just behind Josh Ball. The Great Josh Ball had a
Speaker 4: grade of eighty six point five and then TJ. Bass
Speaker 4: had a grade of eighty two point four. I thought
Speaker 4: those were really really great stats to see. And then
Speaker 4: of course, right behind him was Rico Dowdell, Malik Davis
Speaker 4: and then Alec Linstrom your top five there, So, Hayley,
Speaker 4: who did you see as far as you know, guys
Speaker 4: on the O line that have really stepped up and
Speaker 4: had a good camp, really had a progression throughout camp,
Speaker 4: because it's not just what you see during preseason. You
Speaker 4: were at camp with them throughout the entire time they're
Speaker 4: in Oxnard. Who have you seen really grow throughout this time?
Speaker 5: I like TJ. Bass I like what he brings to
Speaker 5: the table. I think he's got a great attitude as well,
Speaker 5: and you can't have enough kids, you know, to have
Speaker 5: good attitudes, especially when there's a lot of flexibility for
Speaker 5: lack of better terms on that offensive line. And I
Speaker 5: think brock Hoffman as well has been really effective. And
Speaker 5: what I love about Brock is he reminds me a
Speaker 5: lot of Tyler Battish in the sense of like he's
Speaker 5: gonna ride for his dogs no matter what. He may
Speaker 5: cause some trouble as we saw on that last day
Speaker 5: of practice, but that's the guy that you want on
Speaker 5: your team. You want the guy who's going to go
Speaker 5: to bat for you, you know, lining up in front
Speaker 5: of you. So I think those two guys, But I
Speaker 5: got to be honest, I just I'm going I keep
Speaker 5: looking down because I've got the roster here, and I've
Speaker 5: got the offensive line in brackets, and I'm kind of like, oh, well,
Speaker 5: you know, Earl Bostik, he's been fine. Alex Linsterm I
Speaker 5: think has been fine.
Speaker 6: TJ.
Speaker 5: Bass I put a little dot by his name, Brock
Speaker 5: Matt farniok, I think has done okay. I think it
Speaker 5: could be better. Tuma. I don't even know that he'll
Speaker 5: make the roster at this point because he's dealing with
Speaker 5: the knee injury. Alex Taylor Prilo. I think that's how
Speaker 5: you say his last name for a guy who is
Speaker 5: seven feet tall. You want to see some aggression out
Speaker 5: of him, and it's it's not the Tyler Smith we
Speaker 5: know has been great. Josh Ball. I know you just
Speaker 5: brought up his stats, but even there, I'm like, there
Speaker 5: could be some improvement as well. And then you have
Speaker 5: awesome Richards who we've already talked about, Terrence Steele, Matt
Speaker 5: wilesco and Tyron Smith kind of round out that list.
Speaker 5: So I think that the good news is is that
Speaker 5: there's still time to figure out who your front five
Speaker 5: is going to be, and then you kind of just
Speaker 5: pray to the injury gods that you stay away from
Speaker 5: that offensive line this season. I am just saying. Jason
Speaker 5: Peters put out that he still wants to play, so right,
Speaker 5: you might need to give Uncle Jason a call maybe
Speaker 5: at some point, Uncle.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's the one position on here that I
Speaker 5: really kind of am just like a little nervous so well,
Speaker 5: and it only because we saw how much not having
Speaker 5: continuity on the offensive line really impacted this team last year.
Speaker 5: They went from being really strong Super Bowl contenders, nothing
Speaker 5: can really stop then the offense is still in a
Speaker 5: work in progress with the defense is strong, and then
Speaker 5: the minute the offensive line got banged up, the defense
Speaker 5: was having to work double time and as a result,
Speaker 5: the balance was off. So it is concerning, But like
Speaker 5: I said, they still have two weeks before the season
Speaker 5: starts to kind of get it worked out, and we'll
Speaker 5: kind of have a better idea coming up later next
Speaker 5: week with the big cut coming up.
Speaker 4: So I'm glad you brought up Jason Peters because ed
Speaker 4: from El Paso, which is close to my hometown. He
Speaker 4: made sure to mention that Hello ed from al Passo.
Speaker 4: He said, hello, ladies, what is the possibility of the
Speaker 4: team bringing back Jason Peters? So, Hayley, you you just
Speaker 4: you were on the same wavelength with the ed there
Speaker 4: and we'd love to see it. Aisha, how would you
Speaker 4: feel about Uncle Jason returning to this roster if that's
Speaker 4: a possibility.
Speaker 7: I mean, I don't I'm not sure that what what
Speaker 7: the West Coast system calls for, like getting down space,
Speaker 7: getting to the second level. I don't know if that's
Speaker 7: something he will be up for wanted to be doing
Speaker 7: like the you know what I'm saying, like it's some
Speaker 7: work in some works, Yes, it's you have to have
Speaker 7: guys in the run specifically, Do I think he could
Speaker 7: deal with some of the passport, Yeah, I think he
Speaker 7: could deal with that. But as far as how active
Speaker 7: this offense seems like it's gonna be, especially in space,
Speaker 7: I don't know if Uncle's gonna want to come back
Speaker 7: and be doing all that running.
Speaker 5: So we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 7: In that regard. I love that you mentioned Hoffman because
Speaker 7: we're talking about second year jumps. I think, I mean,
Speaker 7: this is a gentleman. I didn't even know until they
Speaker 7: put him out on the field.
Speaker 5: In my life, it's so funny because like my first
Speaker 5: like the and this is please take this at face
Speaker 5: value and nothing more. But like all I think about
Speaker 5: with brock Hoffman, there is a morning at training camp
Speaker 5: before we were getting ready to do the podcast, and
Speaker 5: there's like a man walking out on the field like shirtless,
Speaker 5: no shoes, EyeBlack like all over his face. And I
Speaker 5: can't remember who I was with, but I'm like, who
Speaker 5: the hell is that out there? Like what are we doing?
Speaker 5: And you come closer and it's freaking Brockoffman, and so
Speaker 5: like now I have like this this warrior image in
Speaker 5: my head of him, and then you see how chirpy
Speaker 5: he is in practice, how physical he is it practice.
Speaker 5: So anytime someone says brock coffin, that's all I think.
Speaker 5: It's like the EyeBlack on like.
Speaker 6: Literally like an old school w W.
Speaker 4: Like that's it I have in my head and walking
Speaker 4: around like we have to tell him.
Speaker 7: That Caine the way you were describing it, But Matt Farniac.
Speaker 6: Just be walking out with intro music. Yeah, no, I
Speaker 6: think you would like this.
Speaker 7: I'm not gonna lie honestly, a lot of them probably
Speaker 7: like wrestling, so we it might be a thing. It
Speaker 7: might like who who would you walk out as? Maybe
Speaker 7: that's something the media team can do.
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe, but I couldn't be a part of that
Speaker 5: because I couldn't tell you anything about Look. Oh it
Speaker 5: was my jam.
Speaker 6: I grew up with a brother.
Speaker 4: I was forced to like wrestling, and I was forced
Speaker 4: to be like the other wrestler, and he was like
Speaker 4: obsessed with Sean Michaels. My brother had like the whole gear.
Speaker 4: If I didmpress the music at the right time, he's
Speaker 4: like start over.
Speaker 6: Like all right, Jimmy chill.
Speaker 7: More than what I wanted.
Speaker 6: All about? All about it?
Speaker 5: Versatility.
Speaker 6: I don't know, guys, look anyways, but off topic.
Speaker 8: Back to yeah, but back to brock hoff Hoffman not
Speaker 8: a wrestler, He's a football player. Yes, so they switched
Speaker 8: I think last was it last game they switched Hoffman
Speaker 8: to uh center?
Speaker 5: I know it was it guard. I think Hoffman was
Speaker 5: playing guard and they.
Speaker 7: Had Farniac played center. It wasn't that the way around particles.
Speaker 7: I don't want to get it mixed up. It's gonna
Speaker 7: mess up my point, but I do believe that brock
Speaker 7: Hoffman looked better at center. I felt like his snaps,
Speaker 7: his his rhythm, his timing were good, and I think
Speaker 7: he gets off the ball a little bit faster than
Speaker 7: Matt Farniac at that center position. So that that was
Speaker 7: something I wanted to say, because I know they switched
Speaker 7: them at some point in time. I don't know if
Speaker 7: it was this game or.
Speaker 5: But they did.
Speaker 7: They switched them this game, I believe, and brock Hoffman
Speaker 7: was that left guard and Matt Farniac played center and
Speaker 7: there were some issues there, especially with the interior. So
Speaker 7: to your point, Hayley, I remember you just said you
Speaker 7: said Matt Varnier has meant and I'm like, I think
Speaker 7: he was better when he was, you know, at left guard.
Speaker 7: I think so too, has looked better at center. So
Speaker 7: that was just something I wanted to mention. And I
Speaker 7: wouldn't be mad if Brockman, if Brockman Brockman LORDI, but
Speaker 7: if Hoffman was your backup center, I like kind of
Speaker 7: what I've seen from him there to this point, and
Speaker 7: I think that's.
Speaker 4: Kind of what the situation has been because when I
Speaker 4: was seeing him at practice at training camp, he was
Speaker 4: taking those center snaps behind Beyaddish.
Speaker 6: I know him and Tyler.
Speaker 4: Biottish, Yeah, really well together. So I think that's more
Speaker 4: what they're going for at this point.
Speaker 6: I think they're just kind of trying to shuffle things
Speaker 6: to see.
Speaker 5: Oh so that's how they got him. On the depth
Speaker 5: chart too, is listed as a left guard and Hoffman
Speaker 5: is listed as the center, and it kind of this
Speaker 5: is to be fair, this is against Jackson Jacksonville. Thank you.
Speaker 5: I don't know what like the blue and green, It's okay, Yeah,
Speaker 5: they do have it. On the depth chart. Here is
Speaker 5: Farniac on the left guard and then Hoffman at center.
Speaker 4: So well, you know, what I think is very interesting
Speaker 4: is if you can afford to at this point because
Speaker 4: there's still some contracts that that are in the works,
Speaker 4: hopefully with Dak Prescott, Michaeh Parsons, Seedee Lamb, you know,
Speaker 4: a little important there. I think it comes down to
Speaker 4: a matter of money at this point. If if they
Speaker 4: can squeeze in a veteran in the line, I would
Speaker 4: love to see Jason Peters back. I think it takes
Speaker 4: off stress out of a lot of aspects because when
Speaker 4: I'm even looking at the run blocking grades, you know,
Speaker 4: Jalen Tolbert graded the highest, Payton Hendershot and then Josh Ball.
Speaker 4: So if you can take you know, the run blocking
Speaker 4: grades and kind of take the run block pressure off
Speaker 4: of your wide receivers, and you know your tit ends
Speaker 4: are going to be part of it a little bit more.
Speaker 4: But get a big guy back in there that you
Speaker 4: know is reliable. He can plug and chug. That was
Speaker 4: really his deal, plug and chug. And then you're talking
Speaker 4: about a really young group who better than Jason Peters
Speaker 4: to come back in and kind of work his Jason
Speaker 4: Peters effect like he did with Tyler Smith. So I think,
Speaker 4: if it's possible, sure, look into it. But we'll see
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Speaker 6: Okay, why are you looking at you?
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Speaker 6: I mean, I think so. I think it's a little
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Speaker 4: into running backs, Haley. I know you wanted to touch
Speaker 4: base on this one during the last segment, but we'll
Speaker 4: carry it over to this one.
Speaker 6: Running backs Duce Vaughan look. Mike McCarthy was asked is
Speaker 6: Duce going to play this week?
Speaker 4: Is it time to sit him out? And he said,
Speaker 4: we won't know until later this week. However, sit him out.
Speaker 4: I don't want to see.
Speaker 6: Him until Week one against the Giants. I'm good.
Speaker 5: I have an unpopular opinion.
Speaker 6: I think hot take.
Speaker 5: I don't what's not even a hot take. I just
Speaker 5: I really don't think Deuce is going to be running
Speaker 5: back too. And it's not a dig on him at all.
Speaker 5: I think he's talented, I think he's special, and I
Speaker 5: think that he is going to be such a benefit
Speaker 5: to this Cowboys offense. But there is something to be
Speaker 5: said about size. And I know that we talk about
Speaker 5: it a lot. I know that he hears it all
Speaker 5: the time, and I am so proud of what he's
Speaker 5: been able to accomplish. You know, he's proved the haters wrong.
Speaker 5: At the same time, think about you know, guys like
Speaker 5: let's take Ezekiel Elliott for example, who started off explosive
Speaker 5: runner for his career thousand yards, thousand yards, thousand yards.
Speaker 5: He was crushing it and then there comes a point
Speaker 5: of time in a running back's career where the mileage
Speaker 5: gets a little too heavy for what the car is
Speaker 5: trying to do. Right, It's like my Jeep compass right now.
Speaker 5: Like when I first got her, she was great. She
Speaker 5: was racking up the mileage, we were driving cross country,
Speaker 5: we were doing everything. And now we're in year ten
Speaker 5: of having her, and she's slowing up a little bit.
Speaker 5: And I think that that is expedited when your frame
Speaker 5: isn't as big, and I worry that it's just he's
Speaker 5: one tough tackle away, one Aaron Donald pancake away from struggling.
Speaker 5: And so that's not to say I don't want him
Speaker 5: to make this roster.
Speaker 6: I really do.
Speaker 5: I think he's fantastic. I think he's got a great
Speaker 5: skill set that the Cowboys will use. That being said,
Speaker 5: I want someone else as the running back too. I
Speaker 5: want to be able to save Deuce and use him
Speaker 5: as you know, use him in special packages. I love
Speaker 5: that the opposing defensive line has a hard time seeing him.
Speaker 5: I just don't know if I'm there in terms of
Speaker 5: signing off on it being Tony Pollard and Douce.
Speaker 6: Van my take on this, and I agree with you.
Speaker 6: I think that's a great take.
Speaker 4: I personally, I have had my eyes on Rayco Dowdell
Speaker 4: this entire ots in mini camp. I think he's been
Speaker 4: so impressive. And Mike McCarthy at the nail on the
Speaker 4: head saying, you're seeing a healthy Rico Dawdell, and that's
Speaker 4: exactly what you're seeing. I wonder if there is a
Speaker 4: world where it's not just a one two punch anymore,
Speaker 4: it's a one two three, maybe a one two and
Speaker 4: a half punch, because the thing about Rico is, you
Speaker 4: know he's healthy and he's doing great. However, if you
Speaker 4: can extend all of the lifespan within these athletes career
Speaker 4: and then even post football, I wonder if there's a
Speaker 4: way where, yes, you have Tony Pollard taking those snaps
Speaker 4: and then you have Rico Dawdell or Malik Davis at
Speaker 4: that point, and then you have a third guy, whether
Speaker 4: that be duce Vaughan Hunter Lipke'. There's options here where
Speaker 4: you can go with I. It depends if you want
Speaker 4: to add a five back. Yeah, it depends if you
Speaker 4: want to add a full back. More than likely, though
Speaker 4: I'm on the Ducevan train of keeping him on the
Speaker 4: roster because like I've been talking two, you need to
Speaker 4: know a brown guy, and you need a backup for
Speaker 4: that punt returner position for if something were to ever
Speaker 4: happen to Cavante Turp and you need that backup guy.
Speaker 4: Or you can even start to interchange a little bit.
Speaker 4: You can get a little creative. They want to have
Speaker 4: Cavante a little more integrated into the offense. That takes
Speaker 4: the pressure off of him to not be taken so
Speaker 4: many hits with those punt returns. You have Deuce that
Speaker 4: can take a little bit more, especially if he's not
Speaker 4: taking as many of those running back reps as well. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so welcome to my Multiverse of Madness running Back Edition,
Speaker 4: because this is something I have been sitting on of
Speaker 4: I'm adamant that you take three. You take Tony Pollard. Obviously,
Speaker 4: I'm still convinced that Rico Dawdle is the guy. And
Speaker 4: then you have ducev On as kind of leverage backup
Speaker 4: if something happens to Rico, and then he also plays
Speaker 4: a part in the special team's asset as well.
Speaker 5: The only way I change my mind on that, and
Speaker 5: it all just kind of depends on Rojo, and I
Speaker 5: think I hope that we get an opportunity to see
Speaker 5: him at practice this week. I've really been trying to
Speaker 5: go out of my way to talk to him a
Speaker 5: little bit more because you can almost feel like he'suggling
Speaker 5: a little bit in this locker room. You can tell
Speaker 5: that you know, he maybe just doesn't mesh with some
Speaker 5: of the players. I think he tries really hard to
Speaker 5: be involved, and then you know, you had that groin injury,
Speaker 5: and then you get stopped with the suspension, and so
Speaker 5: it's just a lot to handle at one point. And
Speaker 5: on top of that, he can't even practice to kind of,
Speaker 5: you know, clear his name for lack of better term.
Speaker 5: So I love that Mike McCarthy is challenging him to
Speaker 5: be back at practice this week because I think Rojo
Speaker 5: needs that. I think he needs the opportunity. And we
Speaker 5: saw him at camp. The times that he did get in,
Speaker 5: he was effective. I didn't see a lot from him
Speaker 5: in terms of pass protection, but as far as breaking open,
Speaker 5: being a little bit slippery of a running back, finding
Speaker 5: the gaps and getting through, I think he's extinctual in
Speaker 5: that way. And I think when the Cowboys signed him
Speaker 5: in the off season. That was the intention, and so
Speaker 5: I don't think that they've lost sight of what Rojo
Speaker 5: can bring to the table. But it's hard when you've
Speaker 5: got a five to six running back or right five
Speaker 5: six rookie running back out running you and you can't
Speaker 5: even practice. So big week for sure for Rojo. I'd
Speaker 5: like to see just how well he can compete in
Speaker 5: that too, because he if he can get on the field,
Speaker 5: he's also a special teams factress well, I don't think
Speaker 5: in terms of returning, but at the very least being
Speaker 5: on punt coverage, on kickoff coverage all that. So big
Speaker 5: week for him.
Speaker 7: Yeah. I like what I've seen from Rico Dado as well.
Speaker 7: He to your point about pass bro he threw his
Speaker 7: body around a lot in this past game, just showing
Speaker 7: the willingness to to do that, to sacrifice his body
Speaker 7: for his quarterback. I thought that was important. I'm really
Speaker 7: hoping that this weekend he can put it all together,
Speaker 7: you know, because I feel like, you know, the weird
Speaker 7: fumble last last game that may not have been his
Speaker 7: fault but still just happened that way. And then the
Speaker 7: miss block, yeah, the miss block on the punt. Is
Speaker 7: he Yeah, and then you're terrified Black Yeah, because then
Speaker 7: you're terrified because we haven't talked about Brian Anger that much.
Speaker 7: But he's a weapon in this for this team and
Speaker 7: also when you're there's a lot of trust that goes
Speaker 7: into being, you know, on being a protector there. So
Speaker 7: I'm looking for him to possibly put it together all
Speaker 7: this this game. But you did see some of the vision.
Speaker 7: You saw some of the bursts, some of his shiftiness.
Speaker 7: Also toil, we saw that he runs through his pads.
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying, Like, he really is not
Speaker 7: afraid of contact, and that's something that we've talked about.
Speaker 7: And in regard to duce Von, I agree with you
Speaker 7: guys that you got to find a way to get
Speaker 7: him on the field. I think it'll be different packages
Speaker 7: and how they decide to use him and whatever the
Speaker 7: case may be. But I don't I will say that
Speaker 7: I'm not afraid of his armor though I think that
Speaker 7: he has. If you if you look at how he
Speaker 7: works and how much he puts into his body, kind
Speaker 7: of similar to how Micah described it as this past offseason,
Speaker 7: is like he's callous. Now he's done that. If you
Speaker 7: look at how much he's put into douce Von is
Speaker 7: put into his body to protect himself for his size.
Speaker 7: I'm not as worried about him getting injured in that fashion.
Speaker 7: But I totally get what you're saying about the pass
Speaker 7: pro because that's.
Speaker 5: Especially here huge.
Speaker 7: It's huge. He's not afraid to throw his body. But
Speaker 7: to your point, you don't want that to take away
Speaker 7: from the player. So whoever is the running back to
Speaker 7: if it which I do think it is gonna be
Speaker 7: Rico Daddle, you definitely could see him in a different capacity,
Speaker 7: you know, really pass you know, past blocking a lot
Speaker 7: more because that's not something that Douce Bond is going
Speaker 7: to be really doing like that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and not that he's not capable.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think that's my point too, like just
Speaker 5: just I don't want him just because it's to be doing. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I want him to be effective and continue to have
Speaker 5: this this long career a play how he's playing. But
Speaker 5: I don't want that to be limited because he gets crying.
Speaker 5: I've seen the day.
Speaker 7: And dudes and and don't don't get twisted. Guys are
Speaker 7: going to be looking for him. Yeah, guys are going
Speaker 7: to be looking for Tis because he's it's almost annoying
Speaker 7: how fast he is. It is, and when guys get
Speaker 7: the opportunity to get their hands on him, you best
Speaker 7: believe they're gonna they're gonna try to make them make
Speaker 7: him remember him. So you you want to definitely be
Speaker 7: I'm not saying be careful with the player, but definitely
Speaker 7: be cognizant of that stuff, because, yeah, people don't be.
Speaker 6: Hind for him of how they use him. Real quick,
Speaker 6: Mike McCarthy mentioned Rico Dowdell.
Speaker 4: Let's go back to Rico Dowdell real quick. He said,
Speaker 4: I love his running style. He runs angry, he has
Speaker 4: pass protection with a lot of urgency. He sticks his
Speaker 4: nose in there.
Speaker 6: He also talked about.
Speaker 4: The non block with the punt pro and he said
Speaker 4: that pump pro has not been an issue for Rico.
Speaker 4: He said, I really don't see this being a reoccurring thing.
Speaker 4: It hasn't been an issue. He's not worried about it.
Speaker 4: So again, what I like about Rico is he had
Speaker 4: the fumble the first week on the one yard line.
Speaker 4: I talked to him right after the game. It's like,
Speaker 4: how are you feeling. He's like, I could have done
Speaker 4: without that fumble. And I said, go get a touchdown
Speaker 4: next week. So I'm very excited to see him this week,
Speaker 4: to go up to him say, hey.
Speaker 6: You got your touchdown. What's next.
Speaker 4: You're gonna get two touchdowns the next time you play.
Speaker 4: So what I like about him is he has that fight.
Speaker 4: He has that willingness to say, look, I messed up.
Speaker 4: It's on me, but I'm gonna do better. And to me,
Speaker 4: that's a coachable guy that you want in your locker room.
Speaker 4: This is four years coming for him. He knows this
Speaker 4: is the biggest opportunity they had to have this this
Speaker 4: time to shine. Really, so break o'dowdell. I've gotten to
Speaker 4: know him a lot during this off season, and I'm
Speaker 4: really rooting for a complete game for him. Like you
Speaker 4: said earlier, course, real quick, let's touch on Mozzie Smith.
Speaker 4: A lot of criticism coming out for Mazzie Smith. Something
Speaker 4: that I like that McCarthy mentioned yesterday was he's a rookie.
Speaker 6: Two guys, he's a.
Speaker 4: First round draft pick, but he's a rookie too. Rookies
Speaker 4: need work, they need polishing up essentially. You know, Mike
Speaker 4: McCarthy didn't say have that grace, but he just said
Speaker 4: here's a reminder, he's also a rookie, so is the criticism.
Speaker 6: I mean, we we know.
Speaker 4: What the Dallas Cabby is gonna be blown up because
Speaker 4: it's you know, it's Dallas Cowboys. But where does where
Speaker 4: does Mozzie Smith need the work?
Speaker 6: And have you seen progression? Asha? And then I'll go
Speaker 6: to Haley.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I kind of want us to know how
Speaker 7: you felt about it first.
Speaker 5: I know that I don't know.
Speaker 7: I kind of want you to because you've seen him
Speaker 7: up close in personal.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I love Mazzi, y'all, and I have a hard time.
Speaker 5: Like I mentioned, I have a really unique opportunity to
Speaker 5: get to know a lot of these rookies a lot
Speaker 5: better than some of the older guys, mostly because I
Speaker 5: forced them to get to know me. But Mazzi in particular,
Speaker 5: I have such a good relationship with and so a lot.
Speaker 5: Even in the game on Saturday, I had to take
Speaker 5: my rose colored glasses off for a minute and evaluate
Speaker 5: who he is as the player, and you know, and
Speaker 5: not say like no, like it's Mazzie, It's okay. The
Speaker 5: reality is is this is a guy who has never
Speaker 5: had to worry about the fundamentals of football because He's
Speaker 5: always been bigger, better, faster, stronger than everybody he has faced.
Speaker 5: He's been that way since he was little and first
Speaker 5: started playing football. It was the same at Michigan where
Speaker 5: he was picking up equipment because the weights weren't heavy
Speaker 5: enough for him to work out with. And now you're
Speaker 5: in a situation where your coach is the same size
Speaker 5: as you. You know, you're facing guys like Jonathan Hankins
Speaker 5: who are trying to help you get stronger and get better,
Speaker 5: and that's the standard that you're trying to get to.
Speaker 5: And so I love Mike McCarthy saying he's a first
Speaker 5: round draft pick. They're babies, guys. And I know that
Speaker 5: there is levels to being an NFL football player, and
Speaker 5: I know that when you get drafted and when you
Speaker 5: decide to go this path, that your expectations are so
Speaker 5: much greater than other people. But Mazzi is what twenty
Speaker 5: one maybe twenty two? I mean, like, what were you
Speaker 5: guys doing when you were twenty one and twenty two?
Speaker 5: So I just want to continue to emphasize that.
Speaker 6: He was playing in two thousand and one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're they're young, They're they're very young. What I've
Speaker 5: loved about Mazzi though, is every time after the game
Speaker 5: I make it a point to go and talk to
Speaker 5: him and just check in, how are you doing, how
Speaker 5: you're doing, how you're doing, And every single time he's
Speaker 5: very similar to Demo, where he's very locked in, very focused,
Speaker 5: very big on saying like, yeah, I'm good, I'm good,
Speaker 5: I'm good. But the I'm good has translated to practice.
Speaker 5: Mazzi is one of the first guys who was always
Speaker 5: out on the practice field, working one on one with
Speaker 5: coach Dirty, working one on one with coach Floyd, working
Speaker 5: one on one with guys like Michael Parsons and Jonathan Hankins,
Speaker 5: trying to get there. And I've said this from the
Speaker 5: very beginning of preseason. Preseason is an extension of training camp.
Speaker 5: These games do not matter because they are not real games.
Speaker 5: They don't go on the schedule as far as your
Speaker 5: record goes, because it's practice.
Speaker 6: It's practice.
Speaker 5: So it's okay in the sense to see Mazzi make
Speaker 5: mistakes because you want him to make the mistakes in
Speaker 5: the preseason games. You don't want him to make it
Speaker 5: against the Giants. So I do think he has a
Speaker 5: long way to go in terms of tidying up the fundamentals.
Speaker 5: But the good news is he's working on that and
Speaker 5: he's getting there. And we have to remember that he
Speaker 5: is twenty two years old. It's going to take him
Speaker 5: a minute to get adjusted. Sometimes these guys come in
Speaker 5: the league and they're guys like Garrett Wilson or Sauce Gardner,
Speaker 5: who are they get it right away? Right? Mozzi may
Speaker 5: need a little bit more time, and that's okay.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: I mean it's interesting because I think I said last week,
Speaker 7: he's a lot more raw than what I think I
Speaker 7: even knew he was. And what I mean by that
Speaker 7: is the fact that he has he's getting coaching that
Speaker 7: maybe he wasn't getting before. He's also doing things that
Speaker 7: are different than what he was doing before. His stance
Speaker 7: has changed, so the timing off the ball is like
Speaker 7: people are really concerned with that. I think he's also
Speaker 7: in his head a bit because he's learning technique. Then
Speaker 7: he's learned and if you ask, even as Jonathan Hayks
Speaker 7: last year, he told me he didn't start to get
Speaker 7: it and just know it until he had been in.
Speaker 6: For several years.
Speaker 7: The it's actually disappointing to me to see how people
Speaker 7: are reacting to Mazie because I think that maybe they
Speaker 7: don't know exactly what they're looking they're looking at as
Speaker 7: far as that, So yeah, I it reminds me of
Speaker 7: Sam Williams in a sense where it's like he came in,
Speaker 7: he had to learn a lot more about football, and
Speaker 7: now we see that ascension. So I'm being very patient
Speaker 7: with the player and I think we'll see improvements also
Speaker 7: to this guy's playing a lot of reps yep, almost
Speaker 7: full games. He's not going to be doing that in games,
Speaker 7: so yeah, I'm looking to see how he bounces back.
Speaker 6: He'll be all right.
Speaker 4: Something else I wanted to men is he's not playing
Speaker 4: with Jonathan Hankins next to him, So I think you're
Speaker 4: gonna see a lot more production in you know, the
Speaker 4: nose area of your D line when you have Jonathan
Speaker 4: Hankins and Mozzie Smith. Very similar to you know, a
Speaker 4: Tyler Smith Jason Peters situation of having that veteran presence
Speaker 4: right next to you in the real game situation to
Speaker 4: say hey, do this next time.
Speaker 6: It's very different in practice than it is on the field.
Speaker 6: So there's that. We're gonna wrap up our show for today.
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