WEBVTT - Chuck D 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:05.000 Quest Love Show is a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:21.959 Ladies and gentlemen. 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:26.560 This doesn't happen often. This is the Quest Love Show. 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:31.520 I'm literally not gonna waste time and introducing our guest today. 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:34.600 Normally I'll take five minutes out and do the life 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:41.000 achievement accolades. Look at his face, he's not having it. However, 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:43.680 I am going to do a misslid and say, first 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:47.559 of all, this man needs no introduction whatsoever. But that said, 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:50.920 let me remind you that he does have a project 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:57.120 with the legendary drummer and Questlove Supreme guest John Dinsmore 0:00:57.240 --> 0:01:01.520 of the Doors. It's called Dope and their album No 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:06.039 Country for Old Men is out now. And besides making music, 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:10.920 our guest has his hands in many a project his 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:14.520 uh rap Central Station magazine to bring the noise app 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:18.280 We'll get into that, Chuck d I thank you this. 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:20.720 This is one of the highlights of me doing this platform. 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:24.560 I literally created this platform so I could have a 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:27.720 normal way to ask you all the questions I ever 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:32.200 wanted to ask you as just two artists talking. 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:38.640 So thank you for coming to the show. My heroes. Yeah, topic, 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:40.800 I remember you know when you first started it. You know, 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:43.640 you was the laptop man on a run in between 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:47.960 between the tonight show, my rehearsals and show. I'm still 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:50.640 in that person. Yeah, I know you still all right, and. 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:53.280 You know this also deserves to be you know, Jimmy 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:56.160 jam holds the record for a seven hour interviews. Now 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:58.480 we're not doing that right exactly, so I have to 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:03.480 we rather pick yes. Yeah, I'm being selfish for this 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:05.840 episode and asking the questions that I want to know. 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:09.560 If you guys knew inside baseball, then go ahead. 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:12.639 You know, you know I give great respect to the 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:16.639 FOI for the Islam and the foh the fuck out 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:20.680 of the funk out of here over to you know, 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:23.160 organizations I uphold very daily in my heart. 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:25.640 Okay, let me start with my first question, and this 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:29.400 is gonna be a rapid fire, all of the place questions. Okay, 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:35.280 of all the James Brown backdrops to make a jam too. 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:35.760 Mm hmm. 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:41.440 What was it about blow your head that sparked a 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:47.280 light bulb idea reaction? Because that song was not familiar 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:49.799 in terms of the James Brown cannon. This is how 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:52.240 we meet public getemy through public enemy number one? What 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:55.840 was it about a noisy buzzy synthesizer. 0:02:55.840 --> 0:03:00.160 Roller skating, I Rose roller Rink where we had basically 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:03.200 DJ's come out. They played records for roller skaters because 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:04.760 skating was a thing in the seventies and I was 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:08.240 a badass skater, right, you were a skater skater like 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:09.320 a motherfucker. Right. 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:10.520 Did you ever live in Atlanta? 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:11.880 Yeah? Of course. 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:15.000 Did you participate in any roller skating on Sundays. 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:18.359 Every once in a while. But before that Atlanta had 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:21.000 that scene. I was, you know, a roller rink was 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:24.040 up the block. I didn't go there for that. Roosevelt 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:27.000 roller Rink is where it all came together. People came 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:30.160 out the Roosevelt. That's where the concerts came That's where 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:32.440 the DJ's were able to do their thing. But in 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:34.400 the roller skating, of course, you know, to work on 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:39.120 your skills, you go on a Tuesday matinee, Wednesday, Thursday, 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:42.400 you to that level. That's when you bust your ass 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:44.640 because nobody was there. You know what I'm saying. You got, 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:46.600 you know, like six year old kids and the matinee 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:51.240 or whatever. But the night were really jumped off. Friday night, 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:54.520 Saturday night, Thursday night even, you know, and let's say 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:59.480 you know they say couples, let's say they playing like 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:04.120 Reunited by Peaches in her a couple of in forever. 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:08.960 And to ask a girl to skate with you, you 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:11.680 better have some skills because she ain't trying to fall 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:15.280 with a non skating dude, right, So not only do 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:17.120 you have to crack the ice by asking them to 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:20.160 skate with you, right, that's the number one cracked ice. 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:23.360 Number two, you gotta skate well, and if she don't 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:24.839 know how to skate, you gotta make sure that she 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:28.320 don't fall. That's the type of skater I was. However, 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:33.360 after the slow jam, they would say all skaters and 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:36.760 those that did not get a partner the skate or 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:41.400 said basically, after slow jams, it was time to give buck. 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:44.800 And that was one of the sorrows that I say. 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:46.240 Big up the DJ cossume. 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:48.800 He might have had the twelve inch blow your head, 0:04:49.720 --> 0:05:00.120 all skaters, man, like, you're all right, all right homegirl, go. 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:04.480 Way seconds again. Now you got like the fourteen fifteen eighteen, 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:08.760 you got the cats that really get rowdy on the wheels, right, right, 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:13.440 So they all kind of went when when who who? 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:17.520 When when? And by the time it hits that when 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:25.320 and that beat dropcast chaos Chaos and cats used to 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:28.479 do this the Rosevelt roller ring dudes used to like 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:32.440 hold each other's shoulder but come around and just throw 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:37.640 them bowls typed I've knocked it was the But the 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:41.919 thing about it, right, DJ's wasn't quick enough. Yeah, I 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:43.680 was gonna say, how do you catch the breaks? They 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:47.400 never did, And in my mind it was like, you know, 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:49.960 and by that time they moving on to like maybe 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:53.359 knee deep later on or because they could not sustain 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:55.680 the break, But what do you think was going on 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:58.480 in my head? I gotta make it joint the litit 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:04.240 only they could next, right, you know what I'm saying, 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:07.159 got it? I know? Right. So that's a weird but 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:13.720 very practical way that this whole thing started because I 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:16.880 was like, Okay, there's no DJ to extend this break. 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:20.599 Nobody's fast enough or skilled enough. Even Flash ain't. It's 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.479 very short. As a matter of fact, when we made 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:27.200 the loop for the demo Public Enemy number one, I 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:30.279 was doing it as a drop for W B A U. 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:34.920 And I did you know, off of two tape decks, 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:38.720 so they was kind of pause I pause taped, so 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:41.320 you know, like the thing about it, and I'm glitchy 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:47.279 on my timing. However, the vocals fixed all the holes 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:50.400 in it. So that's where the well you trying to 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:53.760 it had no it had no timing in it. And 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:55.680 then of course, you know, you get into the end 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:58.080 of the first verse, which ends on whatever bar that 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:01.520 it decided to end it want want ho ha, and 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:04.200 all that that actually was just you know, just a 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:08.840 combination of a bunch of different sounds and samples. Did 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:10.680 you guys lose the tape when you made it? 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:13.040 Now, that was a difficult thing. Tell me about the 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:15.320 art of looping that way, and art of. 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:19.360 Looping actually came from what I think yuk I was 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:21.840 gonna say, ya did this wout did it right? And 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:25.680 then showed Stevett. So when we went in the studio 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:27.880 to like, we were like number one. We could not 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:31.560 put it together by sampling it, especially with the equipment 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:33.760 at the time. And even when we did, it was 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:37.520 like this shit sounds like sacchering. Man, it's fake, it's 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:40.640 for Gayzy, it ain't happening right. It's got to kind 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:43.000 of kind of be kind of constructed in the same 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:47.200 Frankenstein manner. But can maybe keep a little bit more time, 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:53.360 and Flavor was also instrumental on on pressing a kayak 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:56.520 he did later on with Rebel Ala pause Flavor's timing, 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:59.320 which was good timing but bad at the same time. 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:02.080 Wait, he would play the drums on top of that. 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:05.840 That's him, him and Saddler. So is that why the 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:08.640 the bongos sound a little off a little bit? Because 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:13.040 when Q tips sampled it on Footprints, Now. 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:13.880 This is weird. 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:16.920 I will say that, you know, I give a lot 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:19.880 of credit to Jay Dillar for the sort of messed up, 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:22.760 sloppy thing. But in my mind, the very first time 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:26.520 I'm hearing like quite off bongos is the public ene 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:27.120 meaning number. 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:29.920 One, because I'm one of the most offbeat, sloppiest motherfuckers 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:32.400 ever could tell you. Man, he'd come in my car 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:35.160 and I have a Buster speaker in the car and 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.320 he's like, you're not going to fix that, and I'm like, no, 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:40.720 I want it loud, and matter of fuck, he's even looking. 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:44.640 So the time it might be off, the sound might 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:47.000 be muffled, but what's going to come out of there 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:49.800 is something that you can feel as opposed to hear, 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:52.280 as opposed I can win these times of sing. So 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:57.000 that was the whole premise of blow your head of 0:08:57.120 --> 0:09:00.000 like deliver what you feel. I had none to lose 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.720 because I'm making a radio promo. As a matter of fact, 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:05.240 when I actually had it as a demo, it is 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:11.000 like December of eighty four, Jay Jamster j was up 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:13.760 at the Bau studios because he was just bringing up 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:16.960 seriously fine and he was turning them into a group 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:19.760 of Arista. And so Jay was up there with Dre 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:24.520 Andre Brown, our doctor Dre. We say, I handed it 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:27.840 over Jay's lap to Dre and Dre played it and 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:29.840 from that point on it took on a life of 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:33.040 his own, the demo. So to make the demo over 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:35.240 again in the public at mean number one, it was 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:38.959 three years later. Three years we had to say, and then, 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:42.240 you know, like how do you construct this Frankenstein back 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:46.760 into Frankenstein for records? And it wasn't easy. So Stevett 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:50.800 took the two inch stutter okay and looped it around 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:53.880 a microphone stand around the room. So it was a 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:57.920 real loop of tape going around and then we filled 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:01.240 in the blanks and cut out parts and emulated without 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:02.000 the emulator. 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:05.920 Got it, you know, question number two, where's your ninety eight? 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:07.959 Oh man, it was bought for a little bit and 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:10.000 it got banged up, and then I tried to get 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:12.839 a Delta eighty eight. My brother hijacked my cars and 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:15.600 it always ended bad. 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:18.599 So right now it's in a junk shop. It's not 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:20.440 nowhere preserved in history. 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:23.560 Long long on that in the Bronco Before nineteen ninety one, 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:26.319 they were both out of here. Bronco broke down on 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:35.160 the Williamsburg Bridge. Yeah, brock down that Williamsburg. That Williamsburg 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:38.120 and the same Williamsburg. I go to date night on 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:45.240 Williamsburg Bridge nineteen ninety or something like that, and that 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:48.599 same Bronco. I wrote Terry dome In. You wrote the 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:52.559 lyrics inside that car, Yeah, driving to hangout and reading PA. 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:55.960 You just had a dictaphone or some sort of casette 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:58.719 like No, I spent years doing. 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:03.439 Maybe what got Harry Chapin in trouble. It's like I 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:07.000 was a messenger. I drove and I kept writing lyrics. 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:09.840 I write lyrics like without looking at the at the 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.040 I would write lyrics in the past. That's how I wrote. 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:14.959 By Mersca show. I wrote lyrics with my right hand. 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:17.680 But I never looked at the seat, always kept my 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:20.960 eyes on the road, and I had tape decks. And 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:23.520 so where I write, I go like this. Now, the 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:26.120 half of the problem is it is later on deciphering it. 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:28.640 But you know I wrote Terror Dome and a Dog 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:33.560 driving the Ready Pennsylvania. Listen to Chuck Chill Outs Show, 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:36.840 and I'm writing like this, so you know, like later 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:40.440 on I'm looking at Okay, you. 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:44.280 Prove my theory though, Okay, So I believe that driving 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:49.000 is equal to dancing. No no, no to sleep no 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:51.640 no no, no, driving in sleep are the same to me. 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:55.440 So you drive a lot, yes, especially in California. So 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:58.880 I know people bitched about California traffic or whatever, but 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:02.720 I love driving. So the reason why I do it 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:07.160 is Okay, So during the pandemic, when I'm really quote 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:11.440 unquote doing the work, therapy all that stuff, I go 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:16.160 deep into kind of my neurology bag as far as 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:21.200 studying how the brain works. And I discovered that you know, 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:26.040 the five parts of the brain, alpha, beta, theta, delta, gamma, that. 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:31.880 Any of those parts scare you none, dude, I'm so 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:33.200 my metaphysical bag. Now. 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:36.760 So the deal is that I learned that the way 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:38.800 that we retain information, Like I used to be one 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:42.440 of those people that would like studying, say like what 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:46.360 my phone number was two one five? And you don't 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:50.720 retain information by repetition. You retain information when you're not 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:51.360 paying attention. 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:54.400 All right. I kind of get that, so I would 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:57.520 test it out because I'm terrible at lyrics all my life. 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:00.720 I'm gonna tell you, you're gonna help me. You're on this, 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:01.720 You're already on the. 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:04.760 Path, but think so, because I mean, there's nobody ever 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:08.600 like your partner black thought. There's nobody like this dude ever. Ever, 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:10.680 I don't understand. I'm gonna tell you the secret. 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:13.920 The secret is basically all right, when I would give speeches, 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:16.719 try to like study in the mirror and do it. 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:18.840 I don't do that no more. I literally play it 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.480 on loop while I'm asleep. And that's how you retain 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:25.199 the information. The other way is when I want to 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:27.319 read a book, I will drive. 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:29.320 I will drive for four hours around. 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:32.600 New York City just loop Manhattan, listening to a book. 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:36.560 Because the thing is, I'm hyper aware. Because your life 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:38.520 is online, you gotta watch traffic and everything. 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:42.080 Keep your eyes on the road looking out the front window. 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:44.679 Right, So your mind is in a fada state. Your 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:48.440 fatas state is how you retain information. And when I 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:52.080 want to study something, I will play what it is 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:54.800 and listen to it. It's literally the same as sleeping. 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:58.320 Well, you know what, man, you're extraordinary in here. Here's 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:00.720 I don't care how many times you can explain playing 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:03.080 the drums. I still don't know how to fuck you 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:06.120 do that. I don't think about it. Yeah, yeah, okay, 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:08.200 you don't think about a god on there. And I 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:10.480 could put in ten thousand hours. It's no way in 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:13.160 hell I'm gonna be a fucking good drummer. Dude, either 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:14.760 you got it or you don't. I believe in that 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:17.839 you need a talent. You need a Yes, you need 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:20.920 a talent. For example, my talent is I could sit 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:24.800 in this room and fifty years later, right blind or whatever, 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:28.920 I could draw exactly what I saw to the smallest 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:33.760 increment spec But I can't remember a word or a 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:37.400 sentence that I made a long time ago or recent. 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:41.520 I have always been terrible lyrics or memorized. If I listen, 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:45.600 if I could memorize lyrics, and I've never had writer's block. 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:47.720 I'd be the baddest MPC of all time. 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:51.680 Well, guess what you are one of the sim seasonal time. 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:53.760 Like an outfielders that you could do it all except 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:57.560 for run or some shit like that. History will say. Otherwise, 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:00.400 God will actually give you what you could give and 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:16.160 and be like you ain't got these things? How many takes? All? Right? 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:19.360 Let me start with bring the noise, your level of 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:21.640 breath work first of all, your rhyme and of stuff 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:25.440 that's like I mean, don't believe the hight was slow 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:32.160 at ninety nine bpms, but whereas the typical bpms on 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:35.480 this record is somewhere between one fifteen and one twenty. 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:39.760 I literally listen to your entire vocal take just a 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:41.560 cappella on Nation of Millions? 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:46.440 You rarely younger. Yeah, what was the longest song that 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:49.040 it took for you to master? On Nation of Millions? 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:51.920 I wasn't. I wasn't a quick take, guy, I was 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:54.960 never that one or two takes all. Fuck it, I 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.920 would be you know, you know what was the test 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:01.720 of all of us? When I get a headache. I've 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:05.520 only had five headaches since nineteen eighty two. Like you know, 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:08.360 like the people talk about migraines, and I don't know 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:11.800 what a headache is, so my headaches off a record 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:16.880 would come self induced, where I was just like, okay, psychological, well, no, 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:18.960 I'm just going to keep pushing myself into the point 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:21.640 where you know, oh yes, your shit has swolled up, 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:23.400 and then you're going to get a headache that's got 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:26.280 like out of Like, all right, you did eighty takes 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:27.240 because you're not happy. 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:30.480 I was going to say, with righteous bombing and weaving 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:34.440 and Taro Dome, I hear a punch and glitch that 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:36.280 was slightly off. 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:40.320 Yeah, this very very little punches up in a pee 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:42.160 stuff and early piece stuff. 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:44.640 Yeah, but for you, like, it's just a stance at 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:48.400 a time until who's the judge that will determine. 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:50.720 That to take all of us, all of us me 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:53.760 doing it, somebody on the other side. For example, the 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:56.160 Rebel with all the pause that we hear was a 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:59.680 second day attempt. Wasn't what I was not happy with 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:03.760 the first stand tamp. It was a bear too because 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:06.400 we had to go in stages with Rebel. We had 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:08.080 to be like, okay, now we got to take this 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:11.400 thing from a demo stage, which always sounded the best. 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:14.560 Now we got to make a recording. Okay. Wow. In 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:17.080 the minute of our testing to see if we had 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:20.760 to write was Buster and Charlie Brown and leaders who 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:23.640 happened to be in there as we were getting that. 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.560 Buster told me he cried riddle tears when he first 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:27.159 heard Rebel. 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:29.560 I had to tell him stop running around the goddamn 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:31.320 place and s yo, get up out of here. Y're 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:35.360 gonna be running all over the damn fucking place going downstairs, 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:39.200 you know. But they were like at that particular moment 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:42.040 that they happened to hang around. They were right there 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:46.080 when we were comember. We were trying to make something 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:49.000 out of that, you know, and that record happened. I 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:51.119 happened to get that record. I think I told you 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:54.160 this before the Food for Thought record. Yeah, who did you? 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:55.840 You said you took it from someone's crib. 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:58.640 Yeah. I was telling me the story from soup to Nuts. No, 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:00.800 I was gonna give you from super Nuts. I would 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:03.439 just say that I went down to it. I was 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:05.879 talking to this girl right and you know, it was 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:08.760 in the basement and it was a long night that 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:11.720 never went anywhere, but I had to I broke out 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:14.680 and I was like can I baw this record? That's it? 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:17.440 And I bawled the record. I was supposed to bring 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:19.800 it back. I found out that was on the record, 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:23.119 you know, and I was like, okay. But then this 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:26.359 was like seven years before I actually maybe five years 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:30.520 before I actually you know. Yeah. So the point of 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:33.280 the matter is is like it went through phases and 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:35.959 stages of what I can hear in my head, Like 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:39.600 I have never ever done what I really have heard 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:42.280 in my head. I'm only half of the sonic guy 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:45.600 Hanker's other guys like he ain't really ever heard really 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:48.200 what he heard. He is in his head to actually 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:48.560 do it. 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:54.200 If you guys have the technology now what we do 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:56.600 it's called AI, but that's what I meant. If you 0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:59.679 have the technology. Now, do you think that these albums 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:02.240 would have been even albums? 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:05.119 Oat meal? Now? Bro? Everything's part of the blood and 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:09.240 oatmeal now is it? Like? Anything is everything? There's no comparison. 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:12.360 There'll never be another Roots, you know? Why? Why what's 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:21.959 the second band to the Roots? Right now? Let's see cricketsickets? 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:24.880 The work wasn't the work that you turned down? Who's 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:30.840 picking up the scraps? Oh yeah? Roots turned down ten 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:35.440 thousand jobs make history every night on National TV. Who's 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:39.000 the second band? This is the biggest difference between thirty 0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:39.720 or forty years of. 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:43.440 That's actually a shame, though it's all right, here's the deal. 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:46.920 Though Rebel comes out, I swear. 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:49.720 To God the next not the next week. 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:53.880 Two weeks later on Lady b Show, suddenly dismasters part 0:19:53.880 --> 0:20:00.159 time hustler, wrong by Big Daddy King and I the 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:05.400 whole bridge thing versus whatever. But immediately in fourteen days, 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:12.120 New York responds to Rebel without a pause, changing the 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:14.520 whole entire paradigm shift happens. 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:19.880 Rebel comes after the Latin quarter wildness of Public Enemy 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:24.159 number one as an instrumental setting, setting some kind of 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:26.880 fire in there. And then I hear but that wasn't 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:30.680 received well when it was first played or wrong MC 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:34.240 cadence at the time Rock Him and Kris One changed 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:38.679 the whole game with their Cadence and South Bronx really 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:44.080 poetry by Chris One Productions. And Kris One is telling 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:46.920 you straight out that I'm changing the way that we 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:51.200 actually speak deliver, and then you rock Him, would Eric 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:54.040 be for President? And then more importantly, my melody changed 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:58.080 the whole way that they were like Louis Armstrong, you know, 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:02.479 and Ellen and to the way you phrase things, and 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:05.960 it changed. So my favorite album, and this is another thing, 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:08.159 and I'm glad I'm here to say that. You know, 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:10.520 we're in the fortieth year. I'm talking about a shame. 0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:13.600 We're in the fortieth year anniversary of what I consider 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:17.040 the greatest album of all time because not only was 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:22.840 it groundbreaking, it busts through the Colosseum doors and crowded 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:25.440 floors and arenas. And that's Raising Hell by Run DMC. 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:28.320 I forgot that. It's the fortieth fortieth to this point 0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:31.720 right now, right then, it's also the fortieth anniversary of 0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:34.600 the Raising Hell Tour, which was a third national tour 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:38.520 subsequently after the first Fresh Rest one and Fresh Rest two, 0:21:39.400 --> 0:21:43.040 and then Raising Hell really put the hammer to the 0:21:43.119 --> 0:21:48.119 nail because Rundium C. Houdini, who never gets talked about, 0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:52.040 right because because not only recording wise did they do 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:54.720 the thing with John Lelle Ecstasy and Graham Master D. 0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:58.520 But by nineteen eighty six, I mean, you got a 0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:01.520 group that's coming on right four run in D and J. 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:06.240 That's really seriously the closing this building out because they 0:22:06.359 --> 0:22:10.080 got now they got you know, funky beating all these 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:13.720 other records and they hitting it like wow. 0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:17.159 There's two groups that have not seen in action and 0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:19.800 even on YouTube. I mean the Freees come out of 0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:22.199 the ninth video gives you just an inkling of what 0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:26.320 their show was, and for some reason, not one person 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:29.280 thought to pull out a camera to catch that's the 0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:30.520 sonic cat there. 0:22:30.720 --> 0:22:33.080 People. Lucky you had listen. The problem is you got 0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:35.080 one tens out there that catch still. And you know, 0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:37.400 when you had a one ten camera, you know half 0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:39.520 of the half of the film because especially if you're 0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:42.080 shooting your one ten and a dark arena, right then 0:22:42.119 --> 0:22:44.639 you go to Walgreens and come to find out you 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:47.080 got three pictures out of like what twenty Nah, I'm 0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:50.840 at video cameras, Yeah, like i've video cameras is nineteen ninety, 0:22:50.960 --> 0:22:51.880 nineteen ninety one. 0:22:52.520 --> 0:22:57.359 No eighty cash Money. DJ cash Money is documented his. 0:22:57.720 --> 0:23:01.679 Entire from like eighty six. I know they you know 0:23:01.800 --> 0:23:04.360 what it was one of those things man back then, 0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:07.800 it's like we're not letting you in this arena with anything. 0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:11.560 They checking metal detect, especially after Long Beach and stuff 0:23:11.600 --> 0:23:14.560 like that. But yeah, there should be more somewhere like 0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:18.240 the closest we get to see Whudini before the show, 0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:20.600 like just like I said, and the priests come out 0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:24.280 at night, which also what they did escape with. They 0:23:24.320 --> 0:23:27.000 also did escape as well is when you see Jermaine 0:23:27.040 --> 0:23:29.639 dupri and everybody getting on. That made people want to 0:23:29.640 --> 0:23:31.760 be at MC more than just seeing what happened on 0:23:31.800 --> 0:23:35.200 the stage. It's like the buses, it's like yow. You know. 0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:39.280 My first years on tour, the only way I could 0:23:39.320 --> 0:23:41.119 put is that I was older and I felt like 0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:44.879 a camp counselor it was like summer camp because tours 0:23:44.920 --> 0:23:46.159 only took place in the summer. 0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:48.720 How many buses would be What was your first tour? 0:23:49.520 --> 0:23:54.240 Nineteen eighty seven. Beastie Boys licensed l April first, nineteen 0:23:54.280 --> 0:23:57.160 eighty seven, and we played at the Passaic Theater which 0:23:57.200 --> 0:24:01.479 is down down, and then the New Hayn Coliseum on 0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:04.760 the fifteenth of April eighty seven, and that's torn down. 0:24:05.560 --> 0:24:08.639 The crazy thing about it, I played in more torn 0:24:08.680 --> 0:24:11.320 down arenas and that's the and I was able to 0:24:11.359 --> 0:24:14.600 still play stadiums and arenas today. But it's really weird 0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:16.520 because you go and see a place and it's like, 0:24:17.000 --> 0:24:19.040 you know, like this is The thing about old heads. 0:24:19.480 --> 0:24:21.800 When you're old head, when you go to a place, 0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:25.160 if you know, if you're open enough, you. 0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:27.320 Still see an old building, just like, oh so when 0:24:27.320 --> 0:24:29.280 you come to Philly, you still think of the spectrum. 0:24:29.359 --> 0:24:33.080 Of course I see the spectrum, actually get it, just 0:24:33.119 --> 0:24:35.439 like old heads, old heads when they could go to 0:24:35.480 --> 0:24:38.640 a new spot and be like, oh, yeah, that's where 0:24:38.680 --> 0:24:41.359 so and so was. I go up Broad Street and 0:24:41.440 --> 0:24:44.040 I still remember when Conniemac Stadium was there because I had, 0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:46.960 you know, family down in Philadelphia and always wondered, like, 0:24:47.040 --> 0:24:49.199 why we keep coming to Philly and why are we 0:24:49.240 --> 0:24:51.359 going while we keep going to Polymore. 0:24:51.480 --> 0:24:54.119 You know. So that's why I couldn't even watch The 0:24:54.160 --> 0:24:57.240 Wire Man, because the wire just reminded me of times 0:24:57.240 --> 0:24:59.840 I did not want to actually just read familiar, for 0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:01.919 I didn't think it was a joke man. To me. 0:25:02.000 --> 0:25:04.520 I thought it was real serious that Baltimore was so 0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:06.840 close to DC and just being for to. 0:25:06.760 --> 0:25:09.600 Me in the condition that it was, Yeah, exactly, it's just. 0:25:09.520 --> 0:25:12.639 Like we're gonna wreck Baltimore on purpose, to show so 0:25:12.840 --> 0:25:15.399 close to the nation's capital, we're gonna make Baltemore the 0:25:15.400 --> 0:25:18.480 worst place for black people. So That's why I just 0:25:18.680 --> 0:25:21.119 sometimes you know, I mean, you know, and sometimes with 0:25:21.200 --> 0:25:23.480 my statements I catch l's, But it's okay to catch 0:25:23.800 --> 0:25:26.600 l's in the lifetime you're human, Yeah, exactly. 0:25:27.000 --> 0:25:29.600 I wanted to know, like, for you, what was the 0:25:29.720 --> 0:25:35.399 hardest song to execute as far as like stage and song, 0:25:36.000 --> 0:25:40.000 not stage, just record like You're Louder than Bomb. I 0:25:40.040 --> 0:25:42.840 don't know how you got through that. There's a lot 0:25:42.840 --> 0:25:44.480 of words, a lot of simple. 0:25:44.359 --> 0:25:48.440 Like here's another thing that people don't understand. I've been 0:25:48.480 --> 0:25:51.680 on the other side of what they considered old age 0:25:51.680 --> 0:25:56.639 for MC's for a long time. A lot of things 0:25:56.640 --> 0:26:00.359 can affect the MC teeth, of course, you know, I 0:26:00.440 --> 0:26:06.320 mean you I had an important was it mola or whatever? 0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:08.840 And they couldn't do a rooking now on it. But 0:26:08.920 --> 0:26:12.280 it seemed like that was the key to power and 0:26:12.680 --> 0:26:14.919 how you else are you gonna explain it? So you 0:26:14.920 --> 0:26:16.919 could take it out and remove it and put a 0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:20.679 bridge over or whatever. But somehow that being connected in 0:26:20.720 --> 0:26:23.480 your skull and your head was a strong anchor tooth. 0:26:23.840 --> 0:26:26.280 Did you eventually get it fixed? You're never going to 0:26:26.359 --> 0:26:28.200 replace it though, And I was going to ask did 0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:31.239 it change your of course, matter of fact that, you know, 0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:33.920 like after the age of forty, so you're going to 0:26:34.000 --> 0:26:36.359 lose something in there. Even if you get a wisdom 0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:39.480 tooth removed two of them in the back, something's gonna move. 0:26:40.280 --> 0:26:44.639 So if you actually a vocalist and you don't have 0:26:44.760 --> 0:26:49.560 the same original whatever that they had, your command over 0:26:49.680 --> 0:26:52.280 certain words is just not going to happen, especially if 0:26:52.320 --> 0:26:54.920 you're like, yeah, we keep up with it, but at 0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:57.439 sixty five, it ain't no way in hell I'm going 0:26:57.520 --> 0:27:01.119 to have the same stuff I had at you just not, 0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:04.479 especially if you're a vocalist. You know, vocalist singers like 0:27:04.560 --> 0:27:08.560 they always worried about their their pipes and can I 0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:11.159 hit the notes? Can I hit the tones? Or do 0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:14.080 I have enough breath and stuff like that, you know, 0:27:14.200 --> 0:27:17.520 I think rappers, it's like okay, your teeth, your gums, 0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:21.359 you know. And then here's another thing, like songs like 0:27:21.440 --> 0:27:24.960 louding the bomb. I used to do those songs and 0:27:25.040 --> 0:27:27.000 run and jump around. See. Our whole thing is like 0:27:27.440 --> 0:27:31.399 we gotta do the songs, and we gotta move. You 0:27:31.440 --> 0:27:33.800 gotta move like you play. We played, I mean when 0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:36.200 I was younger, we played together, like we never did 0:27:36.200 --> 0:27:38.760 those songs like standing up like Solomon Burke. You know what, 0:27:38.800 --> 0:27:42.960 I'm like, you still move half of his muscle memory. 0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:45.200 You don't get no props on something that you did 0:27:45.200 --> 0:27:47.680 for like the last thirty forty years because it kicks 0:27:47.720 --> 0:27:49.480 and I could bring the noise backwards and all that. 0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:51.880 I do bring the noise on roller skates and all that. 0:27:52.119 --> 0:27:55.439 But that's muscle memory. The joy. The joy to me 0:27:56.400 --> 0:27:58.919 I wish I could do, but I'm kind of aged 0:27:58.960 --> 0:28:02.800 and timed out. Is writing a song and being able 0:28:02.800 --> 0:28:06.000 to do that really well, I haven't been able to 0:28:06.040 --> 0:28:09.360 do that like like thirty years. I mean, let's say 0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:12.200 if I learn a new song, let's say we play 0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:15.800 together on tonight's show. I'm shipping bricks man because I'm like, 0:28:15.840 --> 0:28:17.920 I got to learn this new song, man, and it's 0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:20.040 like it take me forever. But you might have helped 0:28:20.040 --> 0:28:22.159 me out by like going to sleep with one although 0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:25.359 I like to sleep with no noise. Oh no, I. 0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:28.800 Got to sleep the tones and all that stuff. 0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:33.480 Man, you a miracle man, That's all I told you, 0:28:33.560 --> 0:28:35.080 My hero. Thank you. 0:28:35.200 --> 0:28:39.320 I'm trying to accept those flowers flowers, they're called flowers flowers. 0:28:39.360 --> 0:28:53.600 I'll take those two Cbe says that the origins of 0:28:53.640 --> 0:28:56.480 America's most one. It was him and Jinks going to 0:28:56.680 --> 0:28:58.160 you guys' record dungeon. 0:28:57.880 --> 0:29:00.400 And picking out the records. You know, the origin really 0:29:00.560 --> 0:29:03.360 was me and Cube and Glendale in front of a 0:29:03.440 --> 0:29:06.440 CVS and me tell him to go and giving him 0:29:06.480 --> 0:29:09.560 a dollar and go and get a notebook and to 0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:12.200 write a solo record out kind of like sketch out. 0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:16.200 Because Cube comes from an architectural background. So the first 0:29:16.200 --> 0:29:19.560 thing is having a blueprint before you even rhyme, before 0:29:19.600 --> 0:29:21.440 you say a word, before you write a word. It's 0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:25.720 like simple things. Don't repeat yourself twice. Yeah, you might, 0:29:25.960 --> 0:29:28.240 you might want to come out of the you know, 0:29:28.320 --> 0:29:31.640 a b as a b into pe, but take your 0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:36.160 time gradually fade into what we're doing instead of like 0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:39.120 jumping into it. Little tricks like that would that that 0:29:39.240 --> 0:29:44.160 really got nothing to do with the rhyme, a mission 0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:48.320 statement or yourself because nobody could teach you like nobody 0:29:48.320 --> 0:29:51.040 could teach a talent like Cube. Cube is a dude 0:29:51.040 --> 0:29:54.400 that got three brains in his head. You too, you know, 0:29:54.960 --> 0:29:58.760 are you a hey new album? Time, let's start work? 0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:01.160 Or is it always just like we got songs that 0:30:01.240 --> 0:30:04.360 were creating and once we got nineteen of them. My 0:30:04.440 --> 0:30:06.920 thing is like this, man, It's it's like I've always 0:30:06.920 --> 0:30:10.160 paid attention to the rockheads that said never repeat yourself twice. 0:30:10.640 --> 0:30:13.880 Hank Cow has a lot of that too. Where if 0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:17.440 if there's something that really worked for us, damn if 0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:21.520 that shit is coming back, we're all weird. Those we 0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:24.240 better go into an area of making you try to 0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:27.880 like what you probably would hate hearing at first. Now, 0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:28.560 who does that? 0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:31.520 So when you're talking about we wanted to be Music's 0:30:31.520 --> 0:30:34.000 worst nightmare, you really were trying to. 0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:37.520 I'm not trying to grin that it worked. That's where 0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:39.280 the car time comes in, because the only time you 0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:42.440 celebrate is not with awards, not with the hooplah, not 0:30:42.520 --> 0:30:45.720 with the crowd. You celebrating the car by your damn self. 0:30:45.720 --> 0:30:47.680 It's saying, hmm okay, that seems like a w in 0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:51.080 that and you keep driving. I know right. It's like 0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:54.520 the ain't gonna be no other public enemy because all 0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:57.640 the all the parts to it, we're all crazy. Man. 0:30:58.280 --> 0:31:02.200 It's almost like Roosevelt long Alan becomes a group. You know, 0:31:02.480 --> 0:31:05.719 Roosevelt Hempstead and you had Bill Stephanie had Eric Sadler 0:31:05.760 --> 0:31:09.200 from him Stead it was something that happened once, ain't 0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:11.440 gonna happen again in that way, just like I mean 0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:14.160 with your group, it's not gonna be another route. The 0:31:14.280 --> 0:31:18.040 dynamics of just like unrepeatable. It's last century, bro. It's 0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:20.720 like what we like to talk about. We like to 0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:24.640 talk about like who is doing something now and probably 0:31:24.720 --> 0:31:27.200 the ones that's catching the most heat for it of 0:31:27.320 --> 0:31:32.680 probably doing the most transcending and pioneering without it actually 0:31:32.720 --> 0:31:35.440 having an end result to it. It doesn't necessarily have 0:31:35.520 --> 0:31:37.040 to have an end result to it to be a 0:31:37.080 --> 0:31:39.920 stain in the sands of time. So yeah, I mean, 0:31:40.000 --> 0:31:45.360 so I'm always writing, and I'm always writing to write something. 0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:47.920 But at the same time, I come from an art 0:31:47.960 --> 0:31:52.000 background where I'm not making music or anything for somebody else. 0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:57.360 I had to compromise with my other contributors because I 0:31:57.400 --> 0:32:00.000 am the lyric writer. I have to take everybody's sitting 0:32:00.560 --> 0:32:05.000 at the table's point of view in consideration. I tell people, 0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:06.880 I said, it's like when I do my art, I'm 0:32:06.920 --> 0:32:09.200 not doing my art for somebody else. It's like fuck it, 0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:11.080 you like it or you don't. Matter of fact, if 0:32:11.120 --> 0:32:14.560 you don't, I even love that more, you know, that's 0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:17.760 that takes a weird type of thing. But you know why, 0:32:18.360 --> 0:32:20.280 And I tell this to younger people all the time, 0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:24.120 like why go to the mirror and go outside and 0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:28.560 ask somebody how to look? Okay, that's that's pretty much 0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:29.640 art in mind. 0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:32.080 Because people just weren't affirmation. 0:32:32.600 --> 0:32:35.760 You know people well, like I said, and people are strangers, like. 0:32:35.720 --> 0:32:37.960 All the time, people you know will ask like, well, 0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:42.360 tell me what you think, which they want the co sign. 0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:44.480 I'll take a picture with you, hold it, let me see, 0:32:44.640 --> 0:32:46.400 like I said, No, you trying to see if you 0:32:46.400 --> 0:32:48.160 look good in it or look well the way you 0:32:48.160 --> 0:32:48.760 want to look at it? 0:32:48.840 --> 0:32:49.000 Right? 0:32:49.040 --> 0:32:51.880 I don't care, so which gets me in trouble with 0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:53.880 my daughter because I tell you she's got the ash 0:32:53.960 --> 0:32:54.840 radar going on. 0:32:55.120 --> 0:32:57.080 She'll call me up if I'm on TV like that. 0:32:57.400 --> 0:32:59.560 I don't know who lets you go do that? And 0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:02.840 and I because he's just incredible, Hey don. 0:33:03.440 --> 0:33:05.640 Assuming that I think I know the answer to this. 0:33:06.560 --> 0:33:09.280 Most of hip hop had built a lot of their 0:33:09.840 --> 0:33:15.400 arsenal Sonic arsenal off of the Ultimate Breaks and Beats compilations, 0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:19.400 which DJ's you know needed them to rock a party. 0:33:19.200 --> 0:33:22.200 There was a great compiling because we had three rooms 0:33:22.200 --> 0:33:22.960 of records before. 0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:25.760 But what I wanted to say was how did you 0:33:25.800 --> 0:33:29.040 guys mass such a vast array of records? Because half 0:33:29.040 --> 0:33:33.040 the stuff you guys were using weren't on the compilations, 0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:34.800 so I could tell that you actually. 0:33:34.480 --> 0:33:36.880 Own those records. When I saw your record room in Philly, 0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:41.400 it was like so reminiscent that had to go in 0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:44.680 at an early stage and age and had to categorize 0:33:44.720 --> 0:33:47.600 three rooms of records. And that's Hank Shockley and Keith 0:33:47.640 --> 0:33:54.120 Shockley collecting Roose records those years. Yeah, yeah, before digging 0:33:54.280 --> 0:33:57.640 was a thing, right, you know so, but the thing 0:33:57.640 --> 0:34:00.000 about here and here's here's another thing. No, all you 0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:02.920 DJ or record collectors and stuff like this, they used 0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:05.600 to always make the same mistake of trying to a 0:34:05.880 --> 0:34:08.640 carry crates of records to one gig, so you're not 0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:11.960 playing ninety five percent. You know. This is years before 0:34:12.239 --> 0:34:16.560 Serrado gave everybody a choice, And even that backfires too, 0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:20.319 because if you don't know the record and you just 0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:23.160 have it, then how you know what to play? Just 0:34:23.160 --> 0:34:25.120 because like I mean, people go in, I've been playing 0:34:25.120 --> 0:34:26.919 the front end of a record, but you never heard 0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:30.160 three quarters into the record. You never played the back end. 0:34:30.320 --> 0:34:33.360 That's how I found Bouncy Lady for Kings of Pressure. Yeah, 0:34:33.480 --> 0:34:36.600 because at the end, because Pleasure never gets talked about 0:34:37.160 --> 0:34:41.160 as a band. And also what's it called zantce up 0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:44.319 in Fantasy the way they mastered records, As you know, 0:34:44.400 --> 0:34:47.960 it's like every record that came out of Fantasy happened 0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:50.279 to have some oomph to it on the bass and 0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:50.880 the drums. 0:34:51.239 --> 0:34:54.000 Well, I would think in general that was that Saul 0:34:54.080 --> 0:34:58.600 zants Right. Yeah, albums released on the Fantasy label had extra. 0:35:00.640 --> 0:35:04.279 Yeah, all those Pleasure albums had it. But anyway, you know, 0:35:04.360 --> 0:35:07.960 like so a lot of DJs made the mistake. It's like, okay, 0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:11.440 we're collecting records, right, So when you have a collection 0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:13.359 of records and you go from one room to two 0:35:13.440 --> 0:35:15.359 rooms and you got to go out there and do 0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:19.640 a gig, right, how do you categorize these recordespecially if 0:35:19.680 --> 0:35:20.600 you're part of a record. 0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:22.560 Well, who's the person that was the meticulous? 0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:24.799 Well number one got stupid for us After a while, 0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:28.040 after we moved from Missus Boxley's basement into our own 0:35:28.080 --> 0:35:30.920 spot on five ten, then we was able to spread 0:35:30.920 --> 0:35:33.440 out with the records. Before they was very concealed and 0:35:33.520 --> 0:35:36.480 the type basement you have to take the record crate, 0:35:36.560 --> 0:35:40.520 and Hank and Keith created a system for us as 0:35:40.600 --> 0:35:46.239 mobile DJ's in the late seventies where we had these crates, 0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:50.200 but getting in the basement we had to make a 0:35:50.360 --> 0:35:54.080 sharp right concrete term. And what I mean by sharp 0:35:54.160 --> 0:35:56.960 right concrete urn is like the back of your hands. 0:35:56.960 --> 0:36:01.840 With this crate. You got concrete and you got this 0:36:02.040 --> 0:36:04.920 turn so many a times. And maybe we were too 0:36:04.920 --> 0:36:07.320 stupid to wear gloves. Sometimes we did, sometimes we didn't. 0:36:08.880 --> 0:36:12.000 You know, it built built up, you know this this area, 0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:12.520 but it. 0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:14.960 Was just got okay, we gotta find a better way. 0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:17.040 So we went to five to ten. Then the records 0:36:17.080 --> 0:36:20.080 was vast. We still carry records, too many records of 0:36:20.120 --> 0:36:22.399 the gig. So I say, you know what, man, two 0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:26.439 crates load in the van. Go. But you know what, 0:36:26.640 --> 0:36:28.799 we could always go in and figure out what you're 0:36:28.840 --> 0:36:31.520 gonna take to the to the appropriate gig that fits right. 0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:35.840 So we got a room growing into two rooms of records, 0:36:35.920 --> 0:36:38.440 and we got another DJ, EJ and the DJ who's 0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:41.760 on the other side, it said time out. The biggest 0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:44.520 mistakes that record collectors made back in the day, as 0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:48.480 DJs is alphabetical order. That will always get you in trouble. 0:36:49.239 --> 0:36:51.560 That right, right, and John Wi sometimes we'll get you 0:36:51.640 --> 0:36:53.759 in trouble too. At least you know where your jazz 0:36:53.760 --> 0:36:57.680 stuff is. You still got the shelf systems and the 0:36:57.880 --> 0:36:59.680 day are what they are. I had to do it 0:37:00.360 --> 0:37:04.680 one record to four thousand, one by one, which means 0:37:04.680 --> 0:37:09.960 that yeah, bt express you know, do it to your 0:37:10.000 --> 0:37:11.560 satisfied one. 0:37:12.040 --> 0:37:16.399 Patrick Cowley, Wait, so what was the order of how 0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:17.640 you would know where stuff is? 0:37:17.760 --> 0:37:20.360 Book? You just go through the book instead of the spine. 0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:25.279 You can't keep to a regular regard book. So Keith man, 0:37:25.400 --> 0:37:27.480 y'all want to kick me out the glove God? No, no, 0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:30.080 Keith yo man, God get the record boom boom, boom boom. 0:37:30.120 --> 0:37:32.799 It's easy to go through the book, then it needs 0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:34.839 to go through. You can't go through the spine. Yo. 0:37:34.880 --> 0:37:36.000 Is your mind blowing right now? 0:37:37.640 --> 0:37:39.520 How you going to go through the spines? You can't 0:37:39.560 --> 0:37:41.880 read anything on the spine. What is the spine? You're like, 0:37:42.200 --> 0:37:44.279 all right, I think that says you know you can't 0:37:44.320 --> 0:37:46.840 read that. And at the same time, even yeah, this 0:37:47.120 --> 0:37:50.680 genre areas, but also we belong to a record pool 0:37:50.920 --> 0:37:54.160 and a record pool is giving you ninety percent of bullshit. 0:37:54.360 --> 0:37:56.759 I mean, I don't want to say recording is bullshit, but. 0:37:57.120 --> 0:38:01.120 How many people are contributing to this pile of record 0:38:01.200 --> 0:38:03.040 madness that you guys are building? 0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:07.000 I mean, people who actually you think could contribute to 0:38:07.040 --> 0:38:09.759 the madness that you are Usually it comes down to 0:38:09.800 --> 0:38:10.439 two and three. 0:38:10.920 --> 0:38:13.959 Well, yeah too, But I'm trying to figure out who's 0:38:14.000 --> 0:38:17.680 in the Spectrum City. In terms of Keith Hanking, we're upstairs, 0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:21.760 Eric and Vietnam. He's downstairs because he's a band studio, 0:38:22.040 --> 0:38:24.200 so bands are coming in there rehearsing, so he has 0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:26.319 nothing to do with the records upstairs. So it's me 0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:29.000 Keith and Hank and his others contributed in and out. 0:38:29.200 --> 0:38:33.359 But as far as doing that those menial tasks, it's like. 0:38:34.800 --> 0:38:40.040 I got books of Chuck's handwriting, writing out five thousand titles, 0:38:40.719 --> 0:38:42.680 and you know, it's just that you had to do 0:38:42.719 --> 0:38:44.799 it that way made it easier because when you got 0:38:44.800 --> 0:38:46.840 new records, you could just find a new shell system 0:38:47.280 --> 0:38:49.719 like okay, and then you kind of know kind of 0:38:49.760 --> 0:38:53.319 like it's like a little telepathic It's like, oh, that's 0:38:53.360 --> 0:38:55.480 that's the JB area over there, because that's where a 0:38:55.520 --> 0:38:56.600 lot of shit is over there. 0:38:56.600 --> 0:38:59.000 And when you're been shopping, like it's your job to 0:38:59.040 --> 0:39:00.000 categorize everything. 0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:03.520 Eventually, after you set up a system, anybody could do it. 0:39:04.600 --> 0:39:07.560 And then that sounds and let me let me tell 0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:10.000 you at that time, no, no, that was easy. At 0:39:10.000 --> 0:39:12.920 that time, my handwriting was like matter of fact. I 0:39:12.960 --> 0:39:16.240 went through college right and where everybody had the type, 0:39:16.640 --> 0:39:18.200 they looked at me. It was like, because I'm an 0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:21.000 art student, I'm over there in the art school. They 0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:23.839 were like, listen, everybody's supposed to type, but you good. 0:39:24.280 --> 0:39:27.080 And to found out that professors only wanted type in 0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:29.680 so they ain't trying to read everybody's handwriting. And so 0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:31.799 they said, listen, everybody got to give us the same font. 0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:32.719 So that's where we are. 0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:36.520 That's where we are even on social media where somebody's like, 0:39:36.520 --> 0:39:40.080 how good your penmanship Back in the day as my daughter, 0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:44.040 you know, like calligraphy level or I've fallen off in 0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:45.480 so many different areas. 0:39:46.320 --> 0:39:49.799 But back then it's too actively right now all the time, man, 0:39:49.960 --> 0:39:52.480 I don't I've never touched the screen. I don't touch screens. 0:39:52.480 --> 0:39:55.759 I use this is gold. This might be a commercial 0:39:55.760 --> 0:40:01.000 for you guys, okay, and my wow, so you're still right. 0:40:01.800 --> 0:40:04.360 I've been using a stylist man ever since the beginning 0:40:04.400 --> 0:40:08.120 of Apple iPhones because Toyne Julia, you know toy Ane. Yeah, 0:40:08.480 --> 0:40:12.040 she gave me the first iPhone. I forgot what I 0:40:12.160 --> 0:40:14.160 was on. I was on something using the stylist at 0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:17.040 the particular have some single wireless stuff in two thousand 0:40:17.080 --> 0:40:20.120 and six, and toy Anne said, here we are in 0:40:20.160 --> 0:40:23.400 New Orleans. I think one of the essence bests. She says, 0:40:23.760 --> 0:40:25.759 she doesn't get enough credit for all the stuff that 0:40:25.840 --> 0:40:27.440 she's done. She's back there. 0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:29.719 She's literally dated me to the digital world. 0:40:29.800 --> 0:40:33.239 Yeah, exactly, Yes, she's back there in the jobs days. Yes, 0:40:33.560 --> 0:40:37.480 so she's like, boom, all on one device. Yes, I 0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:39.400 heard about it. I got my iPod over here that 0:40:39.440 --> 0:40:42.799 you gave me two years ago. He says, yeah, this 0:40:42.880 --> 0:40:45.200 is all on one and she goes like this. I'm 0:40:45.200 --> 0:40:49.719 like that, that's not even chicken grease friendly. I mean, 0:40:49.760 --> 0:40:52.640 I ain't touching no screen. She says, you will, or 0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:54.880 you'll figure it out, because they even have stylists. And 0:40:54.920 --> 0:40:57.399 she goes like this. She says, take this. I'm like yeah, 0:40:57.400 --> 0:40:58.799 but I mean I got to leave the phone that 0:40:58.840 --> 0:41:03.200 I got. So that was my introduction to the iPhone, 0:41:03.719 --> 0:41:06.920 and I had everything. He used a stylist. I always 0:41:07.000 --> 0:41:10.319 use a stylist. Man like that. When people do this, 0:41:10.520 --> 0:41:12.680 I understand how they do any of this. I am not. 0:41:13.800 --> 0:41:15.800 It ain't like I'm like, oh, I can't touch the screen. 0:41:15.840 --> 0:41:19.200 It's just like I wouldn't even know where to begin. 0:41:19.320 --> 0:41:21.600 And my dad, you know, he passed ten years ago. 0:41:23.000 --> 0:41:25.439 His hands were so thick. I couldn't even ever see 0:41:25.520 --> 0:41:29.920 him typing. His hands was like like damn near like 0:41:30.000 --> 0:41:33.200 half this table. So he could learn. So how do 0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:37.120 you just do all that? You do that? Well, yeah, 0:41:37.160 --> 0:41:40.360 because you had to followers like in two thousand and 0:41:40.360 --> 0:41:41.200 two or something like that. 0:41:41.239 --> 0:41:43.880 I mean, I forced myself to learn it. You know, 0:41:44.120 --> 0:41:47.560 I think watching Tarik do it. He now writes all. 0:41:47.480 --> 0:41:50.719 His rhymes and his thing. Now that I don't get 0:41:50.800 --> 0:41:52.800 staying that dude, I don't that dude. That dude is 0:41:52.880 --> 0:41:56.080 Leonardo da Vinci of Our Times. Man. Well, he gets up. 0:41:56.200 --> 0:41:58.799 He has a he has a system that he it 0:41:58.840 --> 0:42:02.480 works for him. He in bed around a thirty PM. 0:42:03.160 --> 0:42:05.640 Well, that's one thing I ain't I'm never doing. He 0:42:05.719 --> 0:42:08.160 gets up three point thirty four in the morning. 0:42:08.719 --> 0:42:12.160 And this is the thing, like especially again, if you 0:42:12.280 --> 0:42:16.799 if you study how the whole again, I'm obsessed with 0:42:16.840 --> 0:42:20.560 how the brain works, you'll get probably your best work 0:42:20.600 --> 0:42:22.719 out if you're tired. This is why you hear about 0:42:22.760 --> 0:42:24.720 people getting up meditating at four in the morning. 0:42:24.760 --> 0:42:27.000 Five in the morning, when you're kind of in. 0:42:26.960 --> 0:42:30.080 This groggy state when you want to press news, that 0:42:30.239 --> 0:42:32.680 is when your magic will happen. Like this is also 0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:36.040 Quincy Jones will call a session around six pm. They'll 0:42:36.040 --> 0:42:39.080 get to the studio and he'll have everyone's favorite restaurant there, 0:42:39.120 --> 0:42:43.640 some you know, steak restaurant or something feeds them, feeds them, 0:42:44.280 --> 0:42:47.560 has red wine. They get nice, they start to fall 0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:50.640 asleep in the break room. He lets him nap. Around 0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:52.960 one in the morning. He'll be like, all right, guys, 0:42:53.640 --> 0:42:58.680 let's cut. He purposely wants them tired. Literally, He's like 0:42:58.719 --> 0:43:02.960 every session from Thriller, the musicians would do it late 0:43:03.000 --> 0:43:05.680 at night till two in the morning because when they're 0:43:05.719 --> 0:43:09.399 in this state of what he says, the alpha state of, 0:43:10.080 --> 0:43:12.200 they won't argue back with them because they're too tired. 0:43:12.800 --> 0:43:16.799 They won't overthink any because everything is sweet and wonderful, 0:43:16.920 --> 0:43:20.759 and Quincy Jones made a hundred years of the best 0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:23.400 music of all time. We went in the studio like 0:43:23.480 --> 0:43:26.160 it was war. We got two hours. The clock is ticket. 0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:28.480 They don't want us anyway, We will come here, try 0:43:28.520 --> 0:43:31.440 to take your head to night though though right you 0:43:31.440 --> 0:43:33.840 has it all feet hours, did you not? It didn't matter. 0:43:34.400 --> 0:43:36.279 I always came in there like they was trying to 0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:38.560 kick me out. So agree, I ain't trying to spend 0:43:38.600 --> 0:43:40.399 a lot of time. We ain't trying to spend Hank 0:43:40.480 --> 0:43:44.040 later on because he was taking on different sessions and 0:43:44.120 --> 0:43:47.480 different artists and people like that. But my job was like, 0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:50.680 come in there, don't waste time. Like even with you know, 0:43:50.719 --> 0:43:53.880 I saw the interview with you and Kim Gordon. It 0:43:54.000 --> 0:43:57.279 was like, you know they in studio b we in 0:43:57.360 --> 0:44:02.000 studio A. They ordering food. Okay, I'll take that. Boom 0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:04.640 Hey you think you you know, come in the studio 0:44:04.640 --> 0:44:07.160 and check us out and they're making Google you know 0:44:07.680 --> 0:44:10.919 cool whatever, Bam, knock it out, bam back in our room. 0:44:11.520 --> 0:44:13.200 So there wasn't time wasting at all. 0:44:13.440 --> 0:44:16.280 The key is at the end of those records, especially 0:44:17.000 --> 0:44:20.040 Hank's genius comes in the mix, but not only in 0:44:20.080 --> 0:44:22.840 the mix, because you gotta kind of like find the 0:44:22.920 --> 0:44:27.839 pulse of it all. Then it's got to be in Okay, yeah, man, 0:44:28.120 --> 0:44:31.520 trust me, he's got people on his ass, like damn 0:44:31.600 --> 0:44:34.239 he made that mix. Bro, whoever you got to take 0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:37.319 it to Howie and laid off Baladamella can't have master 0:44:37.440 --> 0:44:39.840 and fucked us up, Michael managing everything. 0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:42.360 No, no, but kind of everybody knows that, you know, 0:44:42.480 --> 0:44:44.840 like nobody wants you there anyway. 0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:48.160 We got the upside down ugliness of it all. We 0:44:48.400 --> 0:44:52.359 were presenting the ugliness the other side, shit that like 0:44:52.480 --> 0:44:54.719 make kids run out of the room type shit. There 0:44:54.800 --> 0:44:57.760 was no way to explain why public ennem you should 0:44:57.760 --> 0:45:00.680 work so our whole thing even with it's like, yo, man, 0:45:00.719 --> 0:45:04.160 we're not presenting anything that you're supposed to like, matter 0:45:04.160 --> 0:45:07.000 of fact, it's talking about stuff over here. It's got 0:45:07.040 --> 0:45:11.600 sounds from over here. You know, we're older as his right. 0:45:11.840 --> 0:45:15.040 Everybody else is nineteen and eighteen and twenty right. We're 0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:17.720 twenty eight and twenty nine, growing ass men in many cases, 0:45:17.800 --> 0:45:20.680 so it ain't nothing here you're supposed to like. However, 0:45:20.960 --> 0:45:24.280 there's gonna be something in there that you're gonna say whatever. 0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:29.040 So so we took it you know, very seriously every stage, 0:45:29.560 --> 0:45:31.960 not to be up in the studio, but to kind 0:45:31.960 --> 0:45:34.200 of like get up out of there. And when you 0:45:34.200 --> 0:45:36.320 bring a whole bunch of people together, you can't be 0:45:36.360 --> 0:45:37.359 wasting people's time. 0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:53.479 I took four years out to teach at NYU, and 0:45:53.520 --> 0:45:55.680 one of my co professors was Nix su Zenna. 0:45:55.840 --> 0:45:58.799 Okay, every time I see Nick, Nick was like this 0:45:59.680 --> 0:46:02.759 cause his wires were popping out of Nick's head and 0:46:02.760 --> 0:46:05.799 to make it a fear and nations. But later on 0:46:06.000 --> 0:46:08.960 it's just like Nick was always tired, so that Quincy 0:46:09.040 --> 0:46:10.920 Jones thing probably always worked with Nit. 0:46:11.520 --> 0:46:13.600 Well here's the thing, though, he told me the most 0:46:13.840 --> 0:46:17.719 mind blowing shit of all time. My third year, I 0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:20.719 wanted to move to hip hop. 0:46:20.560 --> 0:46:21.400 And I had an idea. 0:46:22.480 --> 0:46:24.560 I told Harry Wagner at Universal. 0:46:24.600 --> 0:46:25.960 I said, look, I said, is. 0:46:25.880 --> 0:46:28.640 There any way I can get the entire stems of 0:46:28.800 --> 0:46:31.320 nation to millions? And maybe we could teach it to 0:46:31.400 --> 0:46:35.319 the class so they get it for me. And I'll say, 0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:38.640 maybe I got this a month before we started, and 0:46:39.000 --> 0:46:40.919 I was like, let me see if I could try 0:46:40.960 --> 0:46:41.720 to match this. 0:46:42.120 --> 0:46:43.360 Note for note. 0:46:43.560 --> 0:46:48.000 I don't know how you guys made like literally just 0:46:48.160 --> 0:46:53.680 listening to it fragmented, and I wish I could convey 0:46:53.800 --> 0:46:58.960 the world how mind blowing the construction of cold lamp 0:46:59.000 --> 0:47:02.839 and went flavor is. It's shit I can't describe. So 0:47:03.320 --> 0:47:06.160 the thing is, I'm going through all the boxes and everything, 0:47:06.239 --> 0:47:10.160 and when I get the base heads, the meticulous amount 0:47:10.239 --> 0:47:15.000 of note taking literally bar thirty eight this sample bar 0:47:15.360 --> 0:47:18.480 forty two da da da one hundred and sixteen slow 0:47:18.520 --> 0:47:21.520 down to David Bowie's thing. So I go to Professor 0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:24.920 Nickson the next day and I was like, wait a minute, 0:47:25.120 --> 0:47:29.920 did they pre produce this or like I'm okay. So 0:47:30.360 --> 0:47:33.440 the Beastie boys were in class like two weeks earlier. 0:47:33.680 --> 0:47:37.959 They talked about the making a Paul's boutique. They would 0:47:37.960 --> 0:47:40.239 take one loop at a time, get the drums right, 0:47:40.280 --> 0:47:41.880 all right, now, let's get this based one match it 0:47:41.920 --> 0:47:44.600 to the drums. They didn't have technology and pro tools 0:47:44.640 --> 0:47:48.760 to shift, so they basically would just make perfect loops 0:47:48.800 --> 0:47:53.680 of each thing until it all fit together. He told 0:47:53.719 --> 0:47:57.880 me that you guys would actually pre program everything. He's like, 0:47:58.000 --> 0:48:02.920 I barely did any Yeah, post production mixing on this 0:48:03.080 --> 0:48:05.600 as far as like like I al will spend hours 0:48:05.640 --> 0:48:05.880 on it. 0:48:06.160 --> 0:48:08.800 Yeah, you got number one is going to be a monster. 0:48:09.440 --> 0:48:12.359 But what's the division of labor as far as. 0:48:12.960 --> 0:48:17.000 Save save the labor in the mix. Save the labor 0:48:17.040 --> 0:48:20.000 in the mix, because number one, we coming in front heavy. 0:48:20.320 --> 0:48:22.239 If you come in front heavy like kind of like 0:48:22.440 --> 0:48:24.040 it's all up in the air and you got a 0:48:24.120 --> 0:48:28.239 million possibilities. You coming into the mix like scratching your head, 0:48:28.239 --> 0:48:30.319 like where do we go from here? So you got 0:48:30.320 --> 0:48:32.360 to come in here like, yo, man, this is gonna 0:48:32.440 --> 0:48:35.759 have to be it's setting stone. For example, not live 0:48:35.760 --> 0:48:38.560 in base says is a perfect example. And this is 0:48:38.560 --> 0:48:41.279 why it's hard for one person to talk about it. 0:48:41.480 --> 0:48:44.919 If you had me, Hank, Eric and Keith talking about 0:48:44.960 --> 0:48:47.400 it later on me Hank and Gary talking about me, 0:48:47.400 --> 0:48:51.160 you can't trust it and shut things like that, you 0:48:51.239 --> 0:48:54.759 start to fill in the blanks by everybody talking at 0:48:54.760 --> 0:48:56.360 the same time, because that's how a lot of the 0:48:56.360 --> 0:48:59.120 stuff was built. So then you start to remind it. 0:48:59.200 --> 0:49:03.000 Like the other day, me and Hank was up doing 0:49:03.040 --> 0:49:06.279 something and he reminded me something that I forgot. I 0:49:06.320 --> 0:49:08.239 don't forget a lot, but he reminded me that we 0:49:08.280 --> 0:49:10.359 worked at the same place for a little while at 0:49:10.360 --> 0:49:13.120 the same time, and he was in the record area 0:49:13.120 --> 0:49:15.239 and I was in automotive, and I was like, that's 0:49:15.239 --> 0:49:18.080 what we did? You know we did work together? Job 0:49:18.200 --> 0:49:20.960 was this TSS Tom Square Stores and him. So you 0:49:21.000 --> 0:49:23.239 guys didn't know. We didn't know. It was like, oh 0:49:23.320 --> 0:49:26.560 but we forgot. I forgot that we did. I remember 0:49:26.560 --> 0:49:31.040 that me and Keith changed tires at Seas in Hicksville 0:49:31.200 --> 0:49:34.600 for a whole summer. That was another experience. Really, yeah, 0:49:34.600 --> 0:49:37.400 we changed tires. Man. I had eighteen jobs before this 0:49:37.560 --> 0:49:40.960 became my occupation. Man, So what else were they? What 0:49:41.080 --> 0:49:44.000 other jobs did you do? I never would fix people's 0:49:44.000 --> 0:49:47.440 food or cut people's hair. I ain't doing that. Those 0:49:47.440 --> 0:49:52.480 are danger areas. But cleaning warehouses. I wrote for bum 0:49:52.520 --> 0:49:55.759 Russell Show as a messenger. Yeah, I learned how to 0:49:55.800 --> 0:49:59.360 basically get long weeks. What's your last job before you 0:49:59.480 --> 0:50:02.799 knew that you could make a living in public? And 0:50:03.200 --> 0:50:06.040 I tell everybody in music number one, just like to 0:50:06.080 --> 0:50:07.880 tell you in basketball, the game will tell you what 0:50:07.960 --> 0:50:08.239 to do. 0:50:08.880 --> 0:50:11.680 In music if you dope, it will tell you when 0:50:11.760 --> 0:50:14.960 to't leave the job. It will tell you when you 0:50:15.000 --> 0:50:16.440 could leave your regular. 0:50:16.640 --> 0:50:19.279 Monday to Friday or whatever, pay your rent or pay 0:50:19.480 --> 0:50:22.160 or paying you to eat. Because we all furnaces. You know, 0:50:22.200 --> 0:50:25.200 you got to eat right. It will tell you what 0:50:25.320 --> 0:50:27.520 told me. I had a job. I was a messenger 0:50:27.560 --> 0:50:31.160 for about two years in him Stead. I delivered photo 0:50:31.280 --> 0:50:35.880 packages right to places across Long Island in Queens Great. 0:50:36.080 --> 0:50:38.520 Why because I didn't have a clock on me, I 0:50:38.520 --> 0:50:42.400 didn't nobody looking over my shoulder. And I loved driving. 0:50:43.000 --> 0:50:45.200 When Flavor's talking about remember when we were driving out 0:50:45.239 --> 0:50:46.439 to that was another job. 0:50:46.840 --> 0:50:49.319 That was a job that we we moved for me 0:50:49.360 --> 0:50:52.520 and Flavor move furniture. That's a movie in itself because 0:50:52.560 --> 0:50:54.560 either him at the wheel and where he at the 0:50:54.560 --> 0:50:57.480 wheel and me in the passage seat or vice versa, 0:50:57.600 --> 0:50:59.640 and were yelling at people get up out of the way. 0:51:00.080 --> 0:51:02.200 Hours Stern is playing on the radio. It was a 0:51:02.239 --> 0:51:05.080 crazy time. But we're moving furniture from my pops all 0:51:05.080 --> 0:51:08.319 throughout New York metropolitan areas. But that was just like 0:51:08.360 --> 0:51:11.360 my pops. You know, it wasn't my only job. So 0:51:11.800 --> 0:51:14.200 one job, the job I had before I went on 0:51:14.280 --> 0:51:20.279 tour was delivered these photos government photos, really high end 0:51:20.320 --> 0:51:23.879 photos out of a refined photo lab. So I wrote 0:51:23.920 --> 0:51:27.799 bum Rush the show in that car in the passing seat, 0:51:28.040 --> 0:51:31.840 of course, recording at night, going out to I in 0:51:31.960 --> 0:51:34.560 s studio in Manhattan, going to work the next day. 0:51:34.920 --> 0:51:38.720 You develop things like your sleep, what they call long winks, 0:51:39.520 --> 0:51:42.319 like you had to stop light. Long wink you make. 0:51:42.360 --> 0:51:44.400 You get about a thousand long weeks. You make up 0:51:44.440 --> 0:51:47.319 for the lost sleep. Sometime people tell you, like yo, man, 0:51:47.360 --> 0:51:49.239 you can't make up for lost sleep. Yes, you can 0:51:49.760 --> 0:51:52.120 long winks like I mean even sometimes. 0:51:51.680 --> 0:51:55.000 Been doing bum Rush the show, you have to report 0:51:55.120 --> 0:51:57.600 to your I gotta be somewhere ten thirty to pick 0:51:57.680 --> 0:51:58.800 up a delivery o'clock. 0:51:59.160 --> 0:52:01.560 But that job, I've had a little bit of flexibility 0:52:01.600 --> 0:52:04.400 that allowed me to write the record and listen to 0:52:04.400 --> 0:52:07.439 what I wanted to listen to. Sometimes even like get 0:52:07.440 --> 0:52:09.920 a package, go home and then go out to like 0:52:10.000 --> 0:52:12.120 Brookhaven at the end of Long Island, and then come 0:52:12.160 --> 0:52:14.239 back and then sometimes oh, you don't have to come 0:52:14.239 --> 0:52:16.440 back and just pick up that package and bring it 0:52:16.440 --> 0:52:18.560 in them all. It was a great job. EPD was 0:52:18.600 --> 0:52:22.040 the name of the company owned by a black husband 0:52:22.080 --> 0:52:24.879 and wife, and there was a major company. I thought 0:52:24.920 --> 0:52:29.080 they were inspirational in it in itself. So the business 0:52:29.120 --> 0:52:31.520 will tell you what to do. We had already had 0:52:31.520 --> 0:52:34.840 bum Rush to show and then there was an opening 0:52:35.320 --> 0:52:37.319 and a license ill to it the bottom end of 0:52:37.360 --> 0:52:40.200 it because Fishbone had to go in and finish their album. 0:52:40.239 --> 0:52:43.880 We're all CBS artists back then before it became Sony, 0:52:44.440 --> 0:52:48.560 and we had an opening slot for Public Enemy guys 0:52:48.840 --> 0:52:51.280 thousand dollars a night. But we had two management companies 0:52:51.320 --> 0:52:55.880 and a booking agent. So that's there, fifteen percent there 0:52:56.719 --> 0:52:59.480 and then ten percent you know there. But we did 0:52:59.480 --> 0:53:02.200 the fifteen dates in the van and they was like, oh, 0:53:02.200 --> 0:53:03.680 there's no way you could do it. Hell, we don't 0:53:03.680 --> 0:53:05.120 have to give you a loan. No, we can do 0:53:05.200 --> 0:53:08.800 it well. So I drove from the first day of 0:53:08.840 --> 0:53:14.880 Passaic all through the northeast, played Syracuse, Rochester, New Haven, 0:53:14.920 --> 0:53:18.279 and ended up played Lehigh Valley. These were the first 0:53:18.440 --> 0:53:21.560 markets that were opening up because of the Beastie Boys, 0:53:22.800 --> 0:53:26.360 I mean the Fresh Veester. They playing like major urban city. 0:53:26.520 --> 0:53:29.200 We're playing like so you're benefiting the beastie boy the 0:53:29.719 --> 0:53:33.279 ill effect. We're not playing Boston, We're playing Wooster got It, 0:53:33.480 --> 0:53:37.319 We're playing the Centrum. It's like like you're looking at 0:53:37.360 --> 0:53:41.319 ten twelve thousand, you know, white kids, because they're coming 0:53:41.320 --> 0:53:45.279 out to see Beastie Boys. Murphy's Law Public Enemy, and 0:53:45.320 --> 0:53:49.080 we were totally antithesis to It's like what the hell 0:53:49.360 --> 0:53:50.120 with a siren? 0:53:50.160 --> 0:53:54.520 And the so the caption on the bit before Teradom 0:53:54.960 --> 0:53:57.800 where the guys like talking about their gentlemen in cages 0:53:57.840 --> 0:53:59.880 and oozies, and that was real. 0:54:00.040 --> 0:54:02.680 It was somebody who called Alan Combe's show who actually 0:54:02.680 --> 0:54:06.279 saw us with the Beastie Boys and was pretty much 0:54:06.280 --> 0:54:10.399 appalled by Yeah, I seen him and now they had this. 0:54:11.040 --> 0:54:13.480 When I first seen him, they were like this, and 0:54:13.560 --> 0:54:15.560 I was appalled when I saw them, and. 0:54:15.480 --> 0:54:17.920 You were there in the studio as he's describing that. 0:54:18.120 --> 0:54:20.600 You know, I think that there's scum too. 0:54:20.600 --> 0:54:23.319 And yeah, I got the tape of the show and 0:54:23.360 --> 0:54:25.560 maybe the song out of it. I would always be 0:54:25.880 --> 0:54:29.799 and you you're the same guy back in the day. 0:54:30.360 --> 0:54:33.480 Matter of fact, I did a voiceover document or audio 0:54:33.560 --> 0:54:36.919 documentary for you guys. Back in the day. I would 0:54:36.920 --> 0:54:39.680 be someplace I'm doing an interview and I was like, 0:54:39.760 --> 0:54:41.840 can can you tape it? Can I get the tape? 0:54:41.960 --> 0:54:44.839 That's how the crowd came in and takes the nation 0:54:44.880 --> 0:54:47.799 a million yeah, because I was like, Okay, can I 0:54:47.840 --> 0:54:50.560 get that the audio tape? So I bring back to 0:54:50.680 --> 0:54:53.160 green Street. I got the tape. I think we can 0:54:53.239 --> 0:54:56.520 kind of insperse the you know, interactor, and so we 0:54:56.520 --> 0:54:59.200 don't have to go record by record by record by record, 0:54:59.200 --> 0:55:02.520 cause we didn't want to the monotony of a record 0:55:02.880 --> 0:55:06.000 just going so on by raising hell did that? So 0:55:06.600 --> 0:55:09.719 how do we break it up? There was two influential records, 0:55:10.000 --> 0:55:14.680 one Gratitude Earth win in Fire Why because they're kind 0:55:14.680 --> 0:55:17.200 of doing this that's the way of the world songs, 0:55:17.239 --> 0:55:19.560 but they're live, but it seems like it's not live. 0:55:19.640 --> 0:55:23.919 But wow, it's like, so the crowd is what really 0:55:23.960 --> 0:55:26.000 brought more people to Earth Winn Fire. 0:55:25.840 --> 0:55:29.160 Because I speaking to what it was their version of 0:55:29.320 --> 0:55:33.120 live the apollo for James Yeah, yeah, and so that 0:55:33.280 --> 0:55:35.359 was very influential. And I said, you know what, it's 0:55:35.360 --> 0:55:38.080 never really been done because whatever's been done live in 0:55:38.200 --> 0:55:42.640 hip hop, the recordings still ain't doing what the tapes done. 0:55:42.800 --> 0:55:44.799 And the tapes would have a bunch of although they 0:55:44.800 --> 0:55:49.600 were kind of rudimentally rudimentary recorded, you still heard like 0:55:50.360 --> 0:55:54.319 somebody saying, oh, you want to hear like yeah, as 0:55:54.360 --> 0:55:57.440 opposed somebody say, oh and it was recorded right, but 0:55:57.920 --> 0:56:01.880 you don't hear nobody right. So in house recording was 0:56:01.920 --> 0:56:04.319 probably the tape that did the most because it had 0:56:04.320 --> 0:56:04.920 the interaction. 0:56:05.280 --> 0:56:05.880 He said, two. 0:56:05.760 --> 0:56:07.960 Albums, Gratitude was one. What was the other one for you? 0:56:09.040 --> 0:56:11.480 The other one not Live of the. 0:56:11.480 --> 0:56:18.640 Apollo or no, no, no Gratitude And I'm having a 0:56:19.280 --> 0:56:22.919 brain fog at the minute. Okay, I told people, I said, 0:56:22.920 --> 0:56:25.440 we want to make of what's going on of rap? Gotcha? 0:56:25.560 --> 0:56:27.880 But that was you know, like you kind of talking 0:56:27.960 --> 0:56:31.359 shit before you even did it. But it is. Yeah, 0:56:31.400 --> 0:56:33.560 but the name of the album was supposed to be 0:56:33.560 --> 0:56:35.640 count down the Arm Again, is it. 0:56:35.560 --> 0:56:38.399 True that side too was supposed to be side one? 0:56:38.480 --> 0:56:41.480 Inside? Side two? Was side one? You were starting the 0:56:41.480 --> 0:56:44.040 record with she watched channel zero but this is but 0:56:44.520 --> 0:56:47.520 what the hell? But this is where No, no, it 0:56:47.600 --> 0:56:50.160 was gonna start with showing what you got. Well, yeah, 0:56:50.160 --> 0:56:53.320 I know that, I know. It's an intro last second, 0:56:53.960 --> 0:56:59.200 the last minute, Howie Weinberg. Hank was like, that's when 0:56:59.200 --> 0:57:02.319 the DJ instant keeping because back then, you know, the 0:57:02.320 --> 0:57:05.480 century line was very important. Why everybody's songs had to 0:57:05.880 --> 0:57:09.320 especially if you black, it had to result in movement. 0:57:10.360 --> 0:57:14.360 What's the body movement with today's music, It's not dance. 0:57:15.040 --> 0:57:19.200 You got dancers that kind of exhibit themselves. But would 0:57:19.240 --> 0:57:24.640 you say today if somebody is twenty one savage or whatever, 0:57:24.800 --> 0:57:28.120 that's kind of old school now, right. 0:57:30.480 --> 0:57:34.880 All right, But I'm just saying telling you though, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:57:35.400 --> 0:57:37.920 it's like because in my mind twenty seventeen was like 0:57:38.600 --> 0:57:40.320 last year, not ten years ago. 0:57:40.560 --> 0:57:45.280 But also, music is not sound anymore, sight, sound, story, style, 0:57:45.440 --> 0:57:48.160 all the elements, and you might have people that might 0:57:48.160 --> 0:57:50.120 not even know what something sounds like, but it's like, 0:57:51.160 --> 0:57:53.400 but it's the same way I might listen to Paul Chambers. 0:57:53.400 --> 0:57:55.720 Am I listening to Paul Chambers? Or am I looking 0:57:55.720 --> 0:57:58.000 at the jacket and the cover and it's all of 0:57:58.000 --> 0:57:59.640 a background noise to me, you know what I'm saying. 0:57:59.680 --> 0:58:03.160 So the aesthetica of blues and jazz always hit me 0:58:03.240 --> 0:58:06.440 more than what it sounded like. It's just like to 0:58:06.600 --> 0:58:08.880 people to talk about mumble rap. You could go from 0:58:08.920 --> 0:58:12.360 mumble to gibberish real quick or word salad and all that. 0:58:12.880 --> 0:58:16.400 But it's kind of like the same with me with 0:58:16.560 --> 0:58:20.640 singing records. You probably study the lyrics and singing records 0:58:20.680 --> 0:58:23.120 more than me, Like what are they saying? And get away? 0:58:23.520 --> 0:58:27.840 You know what I mean? So isn't that a little 0:58:27.880 --> 0:58:30.080 bit like mumbling or what I mean, singing it. 0:58:30.160 --> 0:58:33.680 I never really once said singior senseless songs to the mindless. 0:58:33.720 --> 0:58:36.520 I mean, but it wasn't necessary to talk about that. 0:58:36.560 --> 0:58:38.880 I mean, look, I mean, what what's what's the other? Well? 0:58:38.880 --> 0:58:40.640 I just recently found cause I listened to a lot 0:58:40.640 --> 0:58:44.520 of uh serious sixties and seventies all the time, religiously, 0:58:44.560 --> 0:58:47.600 maybe a little bit too much. I didn't know that 0:58:47.960 --> 0:58:50.680 Steve Miller. I had no idea what he's saying a 0:58:50.720 --> 0:58:52.760 game I as. I was always thinking he's talking about 0:58:52.800 --> 0:58:58.320 some New Carolina. He ain't a camera. Oh yes, I 0:58:58.640 --> 0:59:00.000 was like, what the fuck is he saying? 0:59:00.320 --> 0:59:00.919 And didn't care. 0:59:01.560 --> 0:59:04.240 So how is that much different from mumbo rap? 0:59:04.600 --> 0:59:09.080 It's a feeling, Well, mumbo rap is a generation that's numb. 0:59:09.840 --> 0:59:13.720 You know what I'm talking about. Who's doing it and 0:59:13.720 --> 0:59:16.880 how they do it, their execution vocally, they're not gonna 0:59:17.040 --> 0:59:19.240 have words, and you're not gonna get like a bag 0:59:19.280 --> 0:59:23.680 of words. But they might just like and I've I've 0:59:23.720 --> 0:59:26.520 done that with some songs like in Terror Dome, I 0:59:26.800 --> 0:59:28.640 glossed over some shit. I didn't know what the fuck 0:59:28.680 --> 0:59:29.439 I was talking about. 0:59:29.760 --> 0:59:33.080 If you would ask me, right Now, what is the 0:59:33.120 --> 0:59:36.720 top run DMC song their signature song. I hate to 0:59:36.760 --> 0:59:39.240 disappoint people, it's gonna be it's tricky. 0:59:40.120 --> 0:59:42.000 It's when the smoke clears. Wow. 0:59:43.280 --> 0:59:46.160 But say with September, it was supposed to be Shining Star. 0:59:47.040 --> 0:59:50.600 It was supposed to be was this tricky, right? But 0:59:50.800 --> 0:59:52.800 for some reason it's tricky. 0:59:52.520 --> 0:59:55.240 They're running them. Ever tell you that I just recently 0:59:55.280 --> 0:59:58.720 found this one out. But that run said Larry Smith 0:59:59.000 --> 1:00:01.520 tried to make planet and that's how it's like that 1:00:01.560 --> 1:00:04.200 came along. He makes sense. He's trying to make a 1:00:04.280 --> 1:00:10.040 planet rock, right, So all right, here's the kick, the 1:00:10.080 --> 1:00:14.440 big boom boom boom right. I always had the theory, 1:00:14.800 --> 1:00:17.400 and I've known these guys forever, right, But I'm asking 1:00:17.560 --> 1:00:20.680 studio questions two years ago and we all got together 1:00:20.960 --> 1:00:24.480 for Hip Hop fifty right, So I'm like saying, what 1:00:24.600 --> 1:00:27.720 brought the big beat sound to the first time I 1:00:27.760 --> 1:00:31.360 heard it's like that woom whoa, whoa whoa and also 1:00:31.480 --> 1:00:36.959 sucking them seas boom bom bomb right, groundbreaking sound? I said, 1:00:37.120 --> 1:00:40.760 was it soul sonic force looking for the perfect beat 1:00:40.800 --> 1:00:44.120 when we were all looking for the perfect beat, and 1:00:44.440 --> 1:00:47.680 finally they go beat this boom bomb ba bomb and 1:00:47.760 --> 1:00:51.560 off the Baker made it kind of big. Did that 1:00:51.720 --> 1:00:54.520 do anything to you? And Larry and Run said yeah, 1:00:54.560 --> 1:00:57.080 because when we did action all over again, they said, 1:00:57.080 --> 1:01:01.520 why don't we throw our whole joint like that? Right? Right? 1:01:01.960 --> 1:01:06.040 Oh shit, right, you're right. I'm conscious, Yo, man, you 1:01:06.080 --> 1:01:08.000 know what I did? I punched Run so hard on 1:01:08.080 --> 1:01:12.720 the chest. Right, He's like, yo, brokilling, I said, it 1:01:12.800 --> 1:01:15.880 was sitting in my head for so long. Man. That 1:01:15.920 --> 1:01:18.560 what made them go from and then from after that, 1:01:18.720 --> 1:01:21.120 like Trevor Horn and all those guys tried to do that. 1:01:21.440 --> 1:01:24.120 It's like Arthur Baker one. They because we were looking 1:01:24.240 --> 1:01:28.479 for the perfect beat, and the perfect beat wasn't it 1:01:29.040 --> 1:01:32.800 except for one little little breakdown. I'm like, okay, this 1:01:32.840 --> 1:01:35.280 is what this is what we're getting. When Joey and 1:01:35.320 --> 1:01:39.000 them went like next to next year, they said okay, 1:01:39.480 --> 1:01:43.000 and Joey said, yo, man, just throw that whole joint 1:01:43.040 --> 1:01:45.960 in that boom boom boom. And that's how they came 1:01:46.040 --> 1:01:47.760 up with it like that. That's how they came up 1:01:47.760 --> 1:01:50.880 with those big beats. Man. Right. 1:02:03.200 --> 1:02:06.520 Well, my whole point was terdom to me. I know, 1:02:06.560 --> 1:02:09.080 fight the power is supposed to be the signature song. 1:02:10.320 --> 1:02:13.600 I think Rebel without a Pause is the song that 1:02:13.840 --> 1:02:18.240 some can say saved you, established you, you know, and 1:02:18.280 --> 1:02:22.200 bring the noise to me is a miracle because very 1:02:22.320 --> 1:02:26.160 rarely will you find a follow up song that literally 1:02:26.240 --> 1:02:29.520 could match or surpass. I don't think once I remember 1:02:29.800 --> 1:02:31.640 without a pause. I just thought like, Okay, this is 1:02:31.680 --> 1:02:34.520 the one song that you guys get one time to 1:02:34.640 --> 1:02:35.400 change our lives. 1:02:35.400 --> 1:02:38.360 That's how it is, one person, and that's what The 1:02:38.400 --> 1:02:40.760 next song that we recorded after that was Don't Believe 1:02:40.760 --> 1:02:43.880 the Hype, which I felt was a purposeful like, let's 1:02:43.880 --> 1:02:47.360 set like, here's the letter to the fastball, like, yo, 1:02:47.480 --> 1:02:50.440 you're not you're getting an ephis like and when we 1:02:50.520 --> 1:02:53.760 tried the but that was smart though, well we because 1:02:53.760 --> 1:02:56.280 it let us down a little bit. You can't repeat that. 1:02:57.200 --> 1:02:59.760 I mean listen, when Hank had the master and we 1:02:59.800 --> 1:03:02.720 had acetate, we gave it the Chuck chill out man. 1:03:02.760 --> 1:03:04.960 By the time I got back down to the car, 1:03:05.760 --> 1:03:10.840 Chuck had put it on the radio. Man. It's like, yo, man. 1:03:11.200 --> 1:03:14.360 When that was when that was mastered, that's what I 1:03:14.400 --> 1:03:16.280 was like, yoo, who could die them? All? That record 1:03:16.320 --> 1:03:18.800 got a life of its own. It's gone no matter what, 1:03:18.920 --> 1:03:20.040 and there's nothing can stop that. 1:03:20.160 --> 1:03:23.840 How many records did you guys go through before you 1:03:23.880 --> 1:03:29.880 settled on the most unlikely place, which is chub Rock's 1:03:30.080 --> 1:03:31.040 rock and roll Dude. 1:03:31.880 --> 1:03:35.680 I didn't even know rock and roll dude existed. I 1:03:35.720 --> 1:03:38.080 remember because we would do a thing with fredman Neale 1:03:38.600 --> 1:03:43.680 and Select Records, and I remember Fredmanale telling true mathematics. 1:03:43.760 --> 1:03:45.920 Yeah yeah, okay, he's telling me and he said this 1:03:45.960 --> 1:03:48.360 is this is like the Chubby Check of hip hop. 1:03:50.120 --> 1:03:53.040 And he tells her about tub Rock, who later on 1:03:53.160 --> 1:03:58.200 does probably one of the most public relations thoughtful so 1:04:00.200 --> 1:04:03.320 human resource songs ever. Would treat him right because the 1:04:03.400 --> 1:04:06.200 most of all time, yeah, all the time, it's like 1:04:06.440 --> 1:04:08.960 artist ship. Matter of fact, before you start your career, 1:04:09.440 --> 1:04:11.520 listen to Chubb Rock, and I think a whole lot 1:04:11.560 --> 1:04:17.520 of people might have not gotten shot robbed notes. I 1:04:17.600 --> 1:04:20.240 took notes such a blessing us. 1:04:20.720 --> 1:04:23.959 But before he really got big, I didn't know about 1:04:23.960 --> 1:04:24.680 that first record. 1:04:24.840 --> 1:04:28.000 Yeah yeah, yeah, I did not that record terminated and 1:04:28.040 --> 1:04:31.280 found that part rock and roll dude, and he used 1:04:31.280 --> 1:04:33.920 it because Norman says, okay, we're making sort of like 1:04:33.960 --> 1:04:36.960 bring the noise, like a rock type record maybe and 1:04:37.120 --> 1:04:40.960 First of all, we're working to the early morning, like 1:04:40.960 --> 1:04:44.920 like Pete Rock says on on runs record, Yeah, so 1:04:46.040 --> 1:04:48.280 we're sleeping and he's doing this and it sounded like 1:04:48.520 --> 1:04:52.480 gibberish and it was like nah, man, it was like 1:04:52.760 --> 1:04:55.560 number one. That record was like a Frankenstein construction. Anyway, 1:04:55.560 --> 1:04:57.360 it was like we are we will all with this. 1:04:58.360 --> 1:05:02.240 And I think Hank took the or one of us 1:05:02.280 --> 1:05:06.440 took Eric took out the base on the scratch and 1:05:06.560 --> 1:05:09.560 made all the sense in the world. Wow, that's how 1:05:09.600 --> 1:05:12.120 it wound up. Yeah, because the base was conflicting with 1:05:12.160 --> 1:05:14.960 the other stuff and it was just like jumbled, and 1:05:15.200 --> 1:05:17.440 we took the base out and it was like glass 1:05:17.480 --> 1:05:20.600 and it became a signature for Norman for years to come. 1:05:21.200 --> 1:05:25.200 Where is truth Manics? By the way, who was truth Mathematics? 1:05:25.920 --> 1:05:29.520 He's a great artist or writer named Kenny Spam. And 1:05:30.240 --> 1:05:32.040 I would give the names right because I would be 1:05:32.080 --> 1:05:33.120 the pretty much giving you. 1:05:33.160 --> 1:05:35.600 The So you named leaders of the New School young 1:05:35.640 --> 1:05:37.120 Black Teenagers, son of Berserk. 1:05:37.280 --> 1:05:39.960 If I didn't name it, then Hank would name it, 1:05:40.000 --> 1:05:41.520 and we're just like, it's got to be better. And 1:05:41.600 --> 1:05:45.760 then I would make logos for artists too, because I'm like, 1:05:45.800 --> 1:05:48.280 you're going to come through here. You're going to have 1:05:48.320 --> 1:05:51.720 an identity when you leave. You coming in here with talent, 1:05:52.600 --> 1:05:55.160 but your talent developing the skill. You gotta have something 1:05:55.200 --> 1:05:58.440 to go out there, even long Allen, it's got to 1:05:58.480 --> 1:06:01.920 be us against the world, So you gotta show like 1:06:01.960 --> 1:06:04.240 you got something. It really ain't got a long stone 1:06:04.240 --> 1:06:06.480 in the throat now, because it ain't like it was 1:06:06.520 --> 1:06:08.480 five years earlier where you had to go up against 1:06:08.520 --> 1:06:11.760 Mo d and all all those those are super human 1:06:12.400 --> 1:06:15.520 hip hop gods. These guys are right here in Queens. 1:06:15.840 --> 1:06:20.400 They ten fifteen minutes away. This ship is reachable. So 1:06:20.840 --> 1:06:23.640 True Math was Kenny Spam. We're like, well, listen, if 1:06:23.640 --> 1:06:26.439 you take this name True Mathematics, and I would look 1:06:26.480 --> 1:06:30.040 in Ebony and I saw this guy True Mathematics, who 1:06:30.360 --> 1:06:37.040 coincidentally later on became known as hok Islam. That's how 1:06:37.080 --> 1:06:40.320 you named him. The name True Mathematics was dope because 1:06:40.360 --> 1:06:42.960 you know, it wasn't far off. Everybody was familiar with 1:06:43.000 --> 1:06:48.960 five per centers and no, hell no, this kid where teens. 1:06:49.440 --> 1:06:51.680 It was Kenny Spam. Okay, it was like we went 1:06:51.760 --> 1:06:53.400 for Spam. Ideas. 1:06:53.560 --> 1:06:55.560 Always make him sound like he's talking through the CB. 1:06:56.240 --> 1:06:58.800 We had to figure out something that wouldn't give him 1:06:58.800 --> 1:07:02.320 a style, you know, as as a rapper. Though for 1:07:02.480 --> 1:07:03.880 the money was my shit. 1:07:04.480 --> 1:07:07.320 I love the shit out this long, all right, because 1:07:07.360 --> 1:07:11.280 we look at you kind of in superhero mode and 1:07:11.440 --> 1:07:14.840 always asking about your career or whatever. I mean, you 1:07:15.000 --> 1:07:17.880 revealing about you roller skating was the most human Chuck 1:07:17.920 --> 1:07:19.120 d story I've ever heard. 1:07:19.480 --> 1:07:24.080 Backwards, these are ron backwards in roller skate back back then. 1:07:24.160 --> 1:07:26.800 Yeah, so I'm still trying to get that out. Look, 1:07:26.920 --> 1:07:28.560 I once went rollerskating with Prince. 1:07:29.000 --> 1:07:29.919 We did. Oh wow. 1:07:29.960 --> 1:07:36.360 He called me at eleven pm. Prince, his the ex wife, 1:07:36.720 --> 1:07:42.360 Larry Graham, Tina Graham, Eddie Murphy, Nicole Murphy, me and 1:07:42.400 --> 1:07:46.240 my ex girlfriend at the time, eight of us in Glendale. 1:07:46.800 --> 1:07:50.760 Okay, what did they shut it down? This was dude. 1:07:50.760 --> 1:07:54.200 It was like one in the morning and Prince walks 1:07:54.240 --> 1:07:59.080 in and pulls out a briefcase Paul Fiction style, opens 1:07:59.080 --> 1:08:01.280 it and the ship is and the first thing he said, 1:08:01.480 --> 1:08:04.400 now this is like two thousand and five, He's like, 1:08:04.600 --> 1:08:07.520 put your phone away, like social media doesn't exist yet, 1:08:07.640 --> 1:08:09.680 Twitter doesn't exist, none of this thing. I had a 1:08:09.720 --> 1:08:12.080 palm pilot. I was like, what do you teachs No, 1:08:12.120 --> 1:08:13.760 I don't want to see this on the internet. I'm like, 1:08:13.840 --> 1:08:17.960 see what? And then he pulls out these translucent skates. 1:08:18.560 --> 1:08:19.320 That light. 1:08:21.040 --> 1:08:23.519 And there's a Xana do effect to the ship where 1:08:23.560 --> 1:08:26.080 like the more it's on wood. I don't know if 1:08:26.120 --> 1:08:29.120 you've ever been to the Glen Tell roller Ring, but 1:08:29.479 --> 1:08:33.360 like the sparks of the wheel are also having friction on. 1:08:33.240 --> 1:08:36.880 The like it's literally a xanag. Me and Eddie Murphy 1:08:36.960 --> 1:08:39.080 literally like we can't believe we're seeing this right now. 1:08:39.160 --> 1:08:40.240 Like literally. 1:08:41.560 --> 1:08:43.600 Eddie and I talked about this ten years later. I said, Yo, 1:08:43.680 --> 1:08:45.439 you remember the night we went roller skate with Prince. 1:08:45.479 --> 1:08:47.759 He says, Yo, you didn't hear the after you left. 1:08:48.360 --> 1:08:50.280 And then this is when Prince was heavy on his 1:08:51.240 --> 1:08:55.960 Jovah's Witness thing. He's like at one point Prince like 1:08:56.479 --> 1:08:59.040 jumped and then backwards and. 1:08:59.000 --> 1:09:01.360 Said Edie Murphy, when you're going to come to Kingdom 1:09:01.400 --> 1:09:05.880 Hall with me? And then literally like just literally went 1:09:05.920 --> 1:09:09.519 the hip surgery like a year later. Exactly wasn't the 1:09:09.640 --> 1:09:11.639 dancing in the splits, it was that roller skating. 1:09:11.720 --> 1:09:14.120 No, it was he fell off a piano and like 1:09:14.479 --> 1:09:16.160 a lank City and damaged his back. 1:09:16.760 --> 1:09:17.960 All right, My. 1:09:17.920 --> 1:09:21.000 Final question is Steve, last meal on the earth? What 1:09:21.000 --> 1:09:25.880 would it be? Last meal? Yes, I'm asking human questions. 1:09:26.120 --> 1:09:29.200 It would probably be fish that when it came down 1:09:29.200 --> 1:09:32.920 to fish, right, I always thought that Rock Kim's line 1:09:32.960 --> 1:09:35.080 was foreign to me back then, and I ended up 1:09:35.080 --> 1:09:36.280 being a good fish either. 1:09:36.920 --> 1:09:39.439 I mean everyone got to have the fish sandwich like. 1:09:39.560 --> 1:09:43.920 Yeah, but you know, yeah, yeah, okay, maybe that. 1:09:44.200 --> 1:09:47.920 Everyone knows like a good When you get sixty five, man, 1:09:48.320 --> 1:09:49.840 you were really getting into that area. 1:09:49.880 --> 1:09:52.800 What you better not have? So even at the last meal, 1:09:52.880 --> 1:09:56.680 so you know what, avocados have jumped on me in 1:09:56.720 --> 1:10:01.280 the last ten years, this count for you. Yeah, and 1:10:01.360 --> 1:10:04.920 having an avocado tree is really good. All right. 1:10:05.280 --> 1:10:07.439 If not the leader of one of the greatest groups 1:10:07.479 --> 1:10:09.920 of all time, what would you have been? 1:10:10.320 --> 1:10:13.880 Oh, illustrator, no, hands down and a kick ass one too. 1:10:14.840 --> 1:10:19.920 I am where you're you're I've worked with these with 1:10:20.000 --> 1:10:24.439 the guys, I mean what you call freestyle freelance. So yeah, 1:10:24.560 --> 1:10:27.120 I don't know anybody looking over my shoulder, and I'm 1:10:27.120 --> 1:10:30.360 pretty much an abstract illustrator like I am an MC. 1:10:31.080 --> 1:10:33.160 I could be a fine artist you are if I 1:10:33.240 --> 1:10:35.519 want to, But I also like to be It's a 1:10:35.520 --> 1:10:42.720 difference between being fine artists, graphic artists, illustrator quick at it. 1:10:42.760 --> 1:10:45.040 And during the pandemic, I was able to work on 1:10:45.080 --> 1:10:45.960 my speed skills. 1:10:46.320 --> 1:10:52.519 Okay, yeah during prime PE. Uh your your first ten 1:10:52.600 --> 1:10:58.080 years a pe? What three figures had you starstruck? 1:10:59.160 --> 1:11:02.320 Like autographs living at the time, Yeah, like in your 1:11:02.400 --> 1:11:04.880 in your your travels, like what three figures? Was like, 1:11:04.920 --> 1:11:09.320 holy shit, I'm meeting I mean, I mean because I've 1:11:09.360 --> 1:11:13.479 come across a lot of people from mister Farrakhan and 1:11:14.000 --> 1:11:18.360 in that whole circle in Reverend Jackson, and I met 1:11:18.439 --> 1:11:22.880 James Brown once but never really met him. Did he 1:11:23.000 --> 1:11:25.560 know you were? Yeah? But let me this is this 1:11:25.680 --> 1:11:28.799 is I'll be short. At the turn of the century, 1:11:28.920 --> 1:11:30.880 I think I was giving Prince All Award. I forgot 1:11:30.920 --> 1:11:33.599 what the name of this award show was. And so 1:11:33.760 --> 1:11:38.400 it was out here somewhere and I was backstage and 1:11:38.479 --> 1:11:40.559 as I was getting ready to go on the stage 1:11:40.560 --> 1:11:44.360 and present Princess Award and that was a crazy backstage night. True. 1:11:45.600 --> 1:11:48.599 I leave and I go to the green area and 1:11:48.640 --> 1:11:51.439 I see this guy turned around. He had like a 1:11:51.520 --> 1:11:56.200 suit and hair, and I was like, and I knew 1:11:56.280 --> 1:12:00.200 that all my James James Brown Studies. I was, well, well, 1:12:00.439 --> 1:12:02.360 if it is him, you better have mister in front 1:12:02.360 --> 1:12:04.680 of that name mister Brown, right And I tapped him 1:12:04.680 --> 1:12:08.800 on the shoulder and he turned around. Hey, how you doing, 1:12:08.800 --> 1:12:12.760 mister Brown? My name is Chuck and Chuck Dee from 1:12:12.840 --> 1:12:16.120 public to me and anyone? Oh, And I said, can 1:12:16.120 --> 1:12:19.639 you hold it right there? And I this is before 1:12:19.920 --> 1:12:22.960 cameras right right right? Anybody got camera? Anybody can camera. 1:12:23.200 --> 1:12:26.679 I finally get somebody's camera. Give back to that area. 1:12:26.840 --> 1:12:31.040 He's on stage with Genuine. Say what Yeah, he's on 1:12:31.080 --> 1:12:34.200 stage with Genuine. So I'm going around on it. I'm 1:12:34.240 --> 1:12:38.200 trying to catch him. Maybe leave stage left. So I 1:12:38.240 --> 1:12:40.599 get to stage left real quick with the camera right 1:12:40.760 --> 1:12:42.400 and I'm gonna get him when he comes off or whatever. 1:12:42.640 --> 1:12:44.160 And I'm with you, who am I talking to? I'm 1:12:44.160 --> 1:12:48.080 talking to Denzel. So so we're waiting. We're waiting. He 1:12:48.640 --> 1:12:52.240 leaves stage right. I run around. He's out of there. 1:12:52.880 --> 1:12:57.280 Only time meet James Brown and he was excited. Damn well, at. 1:12:57.280 --> 1:12:59.320 Least you got that out of him. At least you 1:12:59.360 --> 1:12:59.600 got that. 1:13:00.120 --> 1:13:04.599 Hoh. I'm like, hold it right there, came back nothing. 1:13:05.320 --> 1:13:07.280 What was the first concert you ever attended? 1:13:08.200 --> 1:13:11.719 Did I even attended and bought with my own money? Yes? 1:13:13.520 --> 1:13:20.160 Madison Square Garden, nineteen seventy eight, October Right, O Jay's, 1:13:20.280 --> 1:13:23.479 Commodore's Brothers Johnson, What on line? Who who went on 1:13:23.640 --> 1:13:28.599 last brother? Johnson's opened up? Oh, Jay's closed brother, Commodo's 1:13:28.640 --> 1:13:29.839 closed it out? Okay? 1:13:30.160 --> 1:13:32.759 Is there a song that makes you cry for no reason? 1:13:33.080 --> 1:13:36.360 Either prompts a memory or man, it minds me of 1:13:36.400 --> 1:13:39.639 Big Mama, or just is there a song that makes 1:13:39.640 --> 1:13:40.800 you emotional. 1:13:40.360 --> 1:13:43.479 For no reason? My Girl Temptations, your Mommy and my 1:13:43.560 --> 1:13:45.799 Daughter's nice? Nice? 1:13:46.080 --> 1:13:48.960 What song are you ashamed to say that you actually like? 1:13:49.560 --> 1:13:50.200 Ashamed? 1:13:50.560 --> 1:13:52.639 Do you know the worst of Macarena or something? 1:13:52.760 --> 1:13:55.840 Or like, I'm never ashamed of any song I like? 1:13:56.000 --> 1:13:58.799 Or Rick Astley's never going to give you up? But no, no, 1:13:58.800 --> 1:14:02.640 no body. Every time I think about like my forward Road, 1:14:02.880 --> 1:14:05.599 you know, I always think, I don't think I'm ashamed 1:14:05.680 --> 1:14:09.280 of it, like running on empty Jackson Brown, that's respectable, Yes, 1:14:09.800 --> 1:14:12.080 I got respectful. But there's gotta be a song in 1:14:12.120 --> 1:14:14.960 there that like I have a problem, you know what 1:14:15.000 --> 1:14:18.040 my problem is? Or I can't turn songs off in 1:14:18.120 --> 1:14:21.280 my head? How do you do that. I have a song. 1:14:21.680 --> 1:14:24.320 I have a song really seriously playing in my head 1:14:24.320 --> 1:14:26.240 for like the last eight weeks and I can't get 1:14:26.240 --> 1:14:27.719 it out and I want it out of my head. 1:14:27.760 --> 1:14:30.320 What song is it? I just forgot. 1:14:46.520 --> 1:14:49.519 What shore do you hate doing around the house today 1:14:50.240 --> 1:14:51.160 that I hate doing? 1:14:52.200 --> 1:14:55.760 Oh? Man, let me tell you Number one, don't mess 1:14:55.800 --> 1:14:59.439 with electric work. If you ain't electrician, don't touch nothing. 1:15:00.320 --> 1:15:03.800 And I really the actual word no, no, no, I 1:15:04.240 --> 1:15:06.679 mean I always knew that. I like, I'm not trying. Look, 1:15:06.760 --> 1:15:09.719 when you get to a point, you better pay people 1:15:09.720 --> 1:15:13.760 who are experts at what they do and stop playing around. Man. 1:15:13.920 --> 1:15:16.600 You know, I will drag the you know, the garbage 1:15:16.640 --> 1:15:20.559 cans out. I would. I would wash my own dishes, 1:15:20.920 --> 1:15:25.280 although sometimes to come to my house and look at 1:15:25.320 --> 1:15:28.800 my dishes that I washed. I had eye surgery like 1:15:29.160 --> 1:15:33.439 six times or like the last two years, right, and 1:15:33.600 --> 1:15:35.960 had cataract surgery and the eye and all that. So 1:15:36.439 --> 1:15:39.519 I'm not one of those og unks and aunties that 1:15:39.680 --> 1:15:42.280 kind of like, yeah, you wash the dishes, but you 1:15:42.400 --> 1:15:45.559 kind of like didn't wash them, right, I think I do. 1:15:46.160 --> 1:15:50.080 I just don't use a dish washer team. So I 1:15:50.120 --> 1:15:55.320 mean mistakes with me. Yeah, so chores. I think when 1:15:55.320 --> 1:15:59.040 you get somebody just doing like gardening and hedge clipping. 1:15:59.439 --> 1:16:01.680 One thing I know when I was a kid. I 1:16:01.720 --> 1:16:03.960 grew up, you know, in a house on Long Island, 1:16:04.360 --> 1:16:06.120 and we had kind of like a big plot of 1:16:06.200 --> 1:16:09.400 land for our town. And one thing I said I 1:16:09.439 --> 1:16:11.320 would not do the rest of my life is bag 1:16:11.439 --> 1:16:14.840 leaves or rake them. Can I say the words fuck that? Yes, 1:16:15.280 --> 1:16:18.840 bag leaves or rakingly because you get them right in 1:16:18.880 --> 1:16:23.400 that area. I had callouses, scars, cuts all up it 1:16:23.439 --> 1:16:26.439 because of raking and all that. I totally said when 1:16:26.479 --> 1:16:29.360 I turned twenty one, I'm never raking again. And my 1:16:29.400 --> 1:16:31.320 brother will be like, all right, you guys, go rake 1:16:31.400 --> 1:16:33.400 it right, and he find a way that just leave 1:16:33.520 --> 1:16:36.360 halfway through and I gotta rake it, bag it take 1:16:36.840 --> 1:16:38.800 oh man, I don't like the end of fall. I 1:16:38.840 --> 1:16:41.479 don't like winter time. You know, I got to deal 1:16:41.520 --> 1:16:44.000 with them, but you know, seriously, all right. 1:16:44.040 --> 1:16:47.080 Second and last question, who is your longest friendship? 1:16:47.560 --> 1:16:52.120 Longest friendship? That's kind of different at sixty five because 1:16:53.000 --> 1:16:56.840 you pick up where you left off. So the guys 1:16:56.920 --> 1:16:59.679 I grew up with as sports fans, I haven't been 1:16:59.720 --> 1:17:03.240 around them in a long time. The people in music, 1:17:03.880 --> 1:17:05.760 they kind of we pick up where we left off. 1:17:06.479 --> 1:17:09.479 Guys like Bill Stephanie is like, okay, I met Bill 1:17:09.640 --> 1:17:12.439 as a college. We all pick up where we left off. 1:17:12.479 --> 1:17:16.400 I could go see Dre Harry Allen. You know it's 1:17:16.520 --> 1:17:18.880 weird half of that. So I Hank the other day, 1:17:19.320 --> 1:17:24.400 Keith so in those. But the whole key is that 1:17:24.760 --> 1:17:27.000 when you're moving, you know, to pick up where you 1:17:27.120 --> 1:17:28.880 left off. Man, you got to pick up where you 1:17:28.960 --> 1:17:32.680 left off because you got to allow people to be themselves. 1:17:32.720 --> 1:17:34.080 And I come from a. 1:17:34.040 --> 1:17:38.840 Group, so at the top of the group, and you, 1:17:39.000 --> 1:17:41.960 I guess you know this too, at the top of 1:17:41.960 --> 1:17:44.400 the group, but you do a lot of bottom rolls 1:17:44.760 --> 1:17:48.040 because you cannot be the guy that everybody is going 1:17:48.080 --> 1:17:48.360 to like. 1:17:48.760 --> 1:17:52.120 Hey, let's see it. No, so Flavor, don't mean if 1:17:52.160 --> 1:17:55.880 Flavor is not like that, bags come off off of 1:17:55.960 --> 1:17:59.000 the truck. I'll get my bag, my help somebody. Flavor's 1:17:59.000 --> 1:18:01.479 moving right on to the tell as he should, though, 1:18:01.880 --> 1:18:03.720 So one of us got to be that guy, right. 1:18:04.000 --> 1:18:07.519 He is that guy, and by him being that guy 1:18:07.560 --> 1:18:10.280 allows me to be the guy I am, which is okay, 1:18:10.479 --> 1:18:15.519 I will diplomatically hear you out give a discussion see 1:18:15.560 --> 1:18:19.360 if this works. But I really really appreciate the way 1:18:20.680 --> 1:18:24.840 Flavor has really evolved. Well, he's at nine, like he's 1:18:24.880 --> 1:18:28.880 always revolving. He's sixties. Like yes, when people count Flavor out, 1:18:29.200 --> 1:18:32.639 Flavor is going to come back even harder than ever. 1:18:33.479 --> 1:18:38.599 He is the poster child for what the attention spans 1:18:38.640 --> 1:18:41.880 of now and the outer sight out of mind or 1:18:42.760 --> 1:18:47.800 evaporating thought of. He is the poster child. But I 1:18:47.880 --> 1:18:52.440 know in the relationship with him, he in his sixties 1:18:53.360 --> 1:18:56.320 has gone in the areas I've never seen him before. 1:18:56.360 --> 1:18:59.200 He's gone in the areas of being a guy in charge, 1:18:59.680 --> 1:19:02.679 making sure he's on point. He'll go here, there, whatever 1:19:02.920 --> 1:19:05.519 to me. You see the difference. I see it, and 1:19:05.600 --> 1:19:06.439 I welcome it. 1:19:06.600 --> 1:19:07.320 I love this. 1:19:07.560 --> 1:19:12.360 I love it because I tell you, being that mister 1:19:12.439 --> 1:19:16.559 everything everywhere man for so many years, I look at 1:19:16.600 --> 1:19:19.040 sixty five is like, yeah, I did my time in 1:19:19.120 --> 1:19:21.680 that and now yeah I might get a little bit 1:19:21.840 --> 1:19:23.960 uncle you know, you on my lawn type of thing. 1:19:24.000 --> 1:19:26.559 But I enjoyed my space that I'm in now. But 1:19:26.600 --> 1:19:29.400 I said, in order for pe to do things, I 1:19:29.439 --> 1:19:32.040 told him, I said, especially after the pandemic, I said, 1:19:32.880 --> 1:19:35.200 you're gonna have to be that guy because I don't 1:19:35.240 --> 1:19:38.000 really have it to that full tilt anymore, because where 1:19:38.000 --> 1:19:40.879 I've already had it, I'm already doing it in other areas. 1:19:40.920 --> 1:19:43.639 So when we come together, we tell we tell each 1:19:43.640 --> 1:19:46.360 other that I don't know if I'm making your or 1:19:46.400 --> 1:19:49.240 your Keith or I'm Keith sometimes when you're mixed. But 1:19:49.320 --> 1:19:53.160 you know what, when we come together, it's automatic, you know, 1:19:53.240 --> 1:19:58.479 and every other part fits in, like like the line 1:19:58.560 --> 1:20:02.240 up today is gonna work. When I played with Terminator 1:20:02.280 --> 1:20:04.400 and Griff in a minute, I play with them in 1:20:04.439 --> 1:20:06.840 a minute. But it's also got to agree with the 1:20:06.840 --> 1:20:09.280 people who are there, gotcha. You can't move people out. 1:20:09.520 --> 1:20:12.719 Labor has to agree. So I'm the type of person 1:20:12.760 --> 1:20:16.960 that not only have I had an open door policy, 1:20:17.040 --> 1:20:20.360 but half sixty five man, Thomas Short, I got no door. 1:20:21.160 --> 1:20:25.040 Damn no door policy. That's a mic drop. All right, 1:20:26.000 --> 1:20:26.599 I will let. 1:20:26.520 --> 1:20:28.360 You go because your daughter is going to kill me 1:20:28.439 --> 1:20:31.840 right now. I thank you for doing this for me, 1:20:32.000 --> 1:20:33.840 doing the solid the great Chuck D. 1:20:34.080 --> 1:20:37.799 I'll catch me again. May let me let me hey 1:20:37.960 --> 1:20:41.880 to show me over, Yeah right, chuck me, packing. 1:20:41.600 --> 1:20:44.960 Us up, yeah, kicking us out, Chuck D. Thank you 1:20:45.040 --> 1:20:47.320 very much. We got to do this again because I 1:20:47.320 --> 1:20:49.479 swear got seven hours more questions. 1:20:49.560 --> 1:20:52.200 Man, let me tell you, man, when I tell people 1:20:52.560 --> 1:20:56.000 about you all the time, you're my hero. I felt 1:20:56.080 --> 1:20:59.160 that in the soil of like way without actually you know, 1:20:59.240 --> 1:21:02.360 going beyond you know, myself on this. I thought like 1:21:02.439 --> 1:21:05.439 when you came along in the industry, I felt that 1:21:05.479 --> 1:21:09.519 there was somebody to pass the bation too that would 1:21:09.520 --> 1:21:12.479 even maximize anything that I did, because you know, back 1:21:12.520 --> 1:21:14.400 in the agies and nineties, they had to ask questions 1:21:14.400 --> 1:21:17.559 for rap. We put together this documentary, we're doing this thing, 1:21:17.600 --> 1:21:21.559 and let's go call Chuck and it's like, wow, you know, okay, 1:21:21.760 --> 1:21:24.320 all right, you feel like a lone spokesperson. Oh god, 1:21:24.560 --> 1:21:27.360 I mean you know, yeah, you're dealing with times and 1:21:27.400 --> 1:21:30.599 all that, and you seem to understand. And I said, yo, man, 1:21:30.880 --> 1:21:34.040 it's got to be somebody else, because after a while 1:21:34.040 --> 1:21:36.200 you got wise sparkling in your head, and then you 1:21:36.320 --> 1:21:40.040 came along, and then I'm like looking for an outside. 1:21:40.080 --> 1:21:43.360 You have to say, oh, thank God for quests, love, dude. 1:21:44.040 --> 1:21:46.600 I literally quit my job by a side to you 1:21:46.640 --> 1:21:48.439 a nation of millions to do what I do now, 1:21:48.479 --> 1:21:49.200 And I thank you for that. 1:21:49.280 --> 1:21:53.519 Man, Thank you, catch up the crew. I said hello, 1:21:53.720 --> 1:21:57.200 I will you know? 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