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Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton's Rimsey, May thirteenth, twenty twenty, Season sixteen, episode
Speaker 1: number nine. Welcome to another edition of The Break. We
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Speaker 1: Mortgage Studios. I got my crew here with me, Nick Eatman,
Speaker 1: Dave Helman, Amber Garcia, and we got some Cowboys talk
Speaker 1: for you guys. Hopefully everyone is doing well, and let's
Speaker 1: jump right in. Last week, the NFL released the NFL schedule,
Speaker 1: including the Cowboys schedule for the twenty twenty season. They
Speaker 1: are progressing as though we are going to play a
Speaker 1: full slate of games, and so I'll open it up
Speaker 1: to you guys. Let's talk a little bit about what
Speaker 1: you think of the schedule. What stood out to you
Speaker 1: good or bad about this this season's schedule. Let's start
Speaker 1: with you Nick, Well, I mean I think what stood
Speaker 1: out is that it looked like a normal schedule. So
Speaker 1: I'll say that first. I mean, I thought that was
Speaker 1: encouraging to see. And I don't know if we need
Speaker 1: to go into detail on that, but just it looked
Speaker 1: like the schedules we've seen it in the past, other
Speaker 1: than the Giants being not in the first week or
Speaker 1: you know, first two weeks of the season. But I
Speaker 1: just think, you know, it looks it looks like a
Speaker 1: schedule that is favorable to them as far as you know,
Speaker 1: you should be able to get off to a good start.
Speaker 1: We've learned a long time ago that there's always going
Speaker 1: to be two or three teams that are surprising one
Speaker 1: way or the other. So what your schedule looks like
Speaker 1: when me look at last year, what if you were
Speaker 1: to say, the Cowboys would you know, destroy the Rams,
Speaker 1: but then have you know, getting destroyed by the Bills
Speaker 1: at home. So it never really looks like what you
Speaker 1: think it is. But as we stand right now, it
Speaker 1: looks favorable Amber. Honestly, nothing that stood out to me,
Speaker 1: aside from the fact that we're not playing the Giants
Speaker 1: the first game. But to me, you know, with my
Speaker 1: time being here, I've learned that no team is ever
Speaker 1: the same every year. And a team that you might think, oh,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be easy to play this year, well that
Speaker 1: might not be the case. You know, it might not
Speaker 1: depend on what the opposing team is doing. It could
Speaker 1: be the Cowboys hurting themselves. Although this year, you know,
Speaker 1: we don't really know what to expect since we do
Speaker 1: have an e coaching staff. But as far as the
Speaker 1: schedule and tough teams are, like, oh, are they going
Speaker 1: to start off easy, or like some teams that maybe
Speaker 1: you don't necessarily need to win. You know, to me,
Speaker 1: you need to win every single game and you cannot
Speaker 1: take an opponent for granted or things like, oh they're
Speaker 1: gonna be easy to beat, that's not the case. You know,
Speaker 1: you need to always be prepared. Dave, I'm gonna repeat
Speaker 1: what I wrote on the website last week when the
Speaker 1: schedule came out, and I agree, obviously, I agree with
Speaker 1: what they just said. I mean, there's gonna be a
Speaker 1: team that is surprisingly good on the schedule, and there's
Speaker 1: gonna be some surprisingly bad ones. But uh, you know,
Speaker 1: without even worrying about what comes like two or three
Speaker 1: months into the season, it's it's just hard not to
Speaker 1: look at those first three games for a variety of reasons,
Speaker 1: because again we know things change from year to year.
Speaker 1: But the Rams, Falcons and Seahawks have been in the
Speaker 1: conversation among the NFC's better teams for you know, for
Speaker 1: four or five years now. You know, the Falcons aren't
Speaker 1: that far removed from being in the Super Bowl. Been
Speaker 1: seven and nine in the last two years, which puts
Speaker 1: them right in the mix of contending for the playoffs.
Speaker 1: The Rams, obviously we're just in a Super Bowl, and
Speaker 1: the Seahawks have made the playoffs like ten years in
Speaker 1: a row, or eight of the last nine, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: You think back to last year, the Cowboys got in
Speaker 1: a lot of trouble because they lost those NFC games,
Speaker 1: and it became pretty obvious as early as like October
Speaker 1: that they were going to have to win the division
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs, like they just didn't have the
Speaker 1: tiebreakers to be there as a wildcard or anything like that.
Speaker 1: So those are three pretty big games against NFC teams
Speaker 1: that you could find yourself in a lot of trouble
Speaker 1: if you don't get out to a hot start. And
Speaker 1: you know, if you look back at past schedules, you know,
Speaker 1: they open with the Giants, and then there's a road
Speaker 1: trip to Washington. You get division games, a chance to
Speaker 1: get up on the division and against teams that aren't
Speaker 1: very good and haven't been. And I don't think that's
Speaker 1: the case this year. I think, you know, they can't
Speaker 1: afford to start slowly this year. And the interesting part
Speaker 1: about that, Dave, is that two of those games are
Speaker 1: on the road. So you start your first two or
Speaker 1: three games on the road. You go to to LA
Speaker 1: to open their new stadium against the Rams, and then
Speaker 1: in week three you're going at the Seattle Seahawks, which
Speaker 1: is not is probably one of the harder places in
Speaker 1: the whole NFL to play just because of crowd noise.
Speaker 1: Obviously there are questions as to whether there will be
Speaker 1: a crowd there, but certainly those are those are not
Speaker 1: those are typically or at least that's typically not a
Speaker 1: game that's an easy road win for teams. That's a
Speaker 1: tough place to go and play. That all being said,
Speaker 1: is there a particular part of the schedule and and
Speaker 1: I know we're not talking about I'm not talking about
Speaker 1: so much about the teams and how good they will
Speaker 1: be versus not, but I'm talking more about just the
Speaker 1: mechanics of the schedule home versus road cold weather. Is
Speaker 1: there anything about the schedule that you look at and
Speaker 1: you say, this could be a trouble area for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I mean, anytime you know you're going to play cold
Speaker 1: weather games in December, I mean they've got three of them.
Speaker 1: You know it's going to be cold in Cincinnati. Um,
Speaker 1: you know it's gonna be cold at Baltimore and then
Speaker 1: and also against the Giants to end the season. So
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't matter what it looks like. Weather
Speaker 1: can neutralize the situation. And if you can't throw the
Speaker 1: ball like keep like you want. So who's to say
Speaker 1: what the Bengals will be like at the end of
Speaker 1: the season. Uh, you know this year or any of
Speaker 1: those years. But but you know, if the weather is challenging, um,
Speaker 1: you know that that obviously could could be a problem there.
Speaker 1: Curious to see gonna say sorry, I was just gonna
Speaker 1: say that, I'm curious to see how McCarthy handles practices
Speaker 1: because with Jason Garrett, I mean there were times where
Speaker 1: I would imagine you go into a road game where
Speaker 1: the weather is going to be colder, or maybe rainy,
Speaker 1: they didn't necessarily practice outside all the time. So I'm
Speaker 1: curious to see how McCarthy is gonna handle that, whether
Speaker 1: to just kind of have the team practice is mostly
Speaker 1: outside to kind of although the temperatures are not necessarily
Speaker 1: the same at those places, but it's still something that
Speaker 1: kind of prepares you for that weekend game. Dave Jeff something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to get into the maths
Speaker 1: of it, because it's really annoying. You know. It's it's
Speaker 1: not an unfair thing that the Cowboys have to play
Speaker 1: three games in twelve days. Because the vast majority of
Speaker 1: the teams in the NFL play three games in twelve days.
Speaker 1: Instead of going Sunday Thursday Thursday, most teams go Sunday
Speaker 1: Sunday Thursday. It's still accounts for three games and twelve
Speaker 1: days again for the vast majority of the teams in
Speaker 1: the league. Having said that, it does suck for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys that they always have to do that stretch so
Speaker 1: late in the year. You know, some teams get that
Speaker 1: Thursday game out of the way in September and they
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about a wonky schedule again for
Speaker 1: the rest of the year. The Cowboys are always going
Speaker 1: to have to do that brutal stretch in late November,
Speaker 1: and I mean, and you chalk that up with a
Speaker 1: light bye week, this is gonna be a tire team.
Speaker 1: So to think that they've got to play a very
Speaker 1: talented Vikings team followed by Thanksgiving and then no the
Speaker 1: reigning MVP right after that, I mean, that won't be easy.
Speaker 1: It's not unfair, but it's gonna suck. Now. I think
Speaker 1: that that late bye week helps though, because that bye
Speaker 1: week happens two weeks before Thanksgiving a little actually a
Speaker 1: little less than two weeks before Thanksgiving. How much does
Speaker 1: he think that? Do you think that helps them? Right
Speaker 1: before they go into that that tough stretch. Well, let's
Speaker 1: see how beat up they are, because if they do
Speaker 1: play five preseason games, then they go nine straight to
Speaker 1: start the year. That's fourteen consecutive weeks of playing football,
Speaker 1: and who knows what kind of offseason schedule of conditioning
Speaker 1: schedule that you have. It's obviously not going to be
Speaker 1: as much as that they've had in the past. So
Speaker 1: that's a challenging, you know, that's a challenging stretch of
Speaker 1: games right there, to go fourteen consecutive weeks of playing
Speaker 1: without a break, and you've got some really tough teams
Speaker 1: in there, and the Steelers. I don't care how good
Speaker 1: the Steelers are or bad they are, they're gonna beat
Speaker 1: you up. So it's gonna be that's gonna be tough
Speaker 1: for this team. Yeah, it might work out that the
Speaker 1: buy works in a perfect situation, but as it stands
Speaker 1: right now, that looks like a long period of times
Speaker 1: to be playing consecutive games. Yeah, I will say this.
Speaker 1: I actually we talked a little bit, you guys talked
Speaker 1: a little bit earlier about the cold weather games there
Speaker 1: in December, and I actually think that if you look
Speaker 1: at it, I actually think that might be an advantage
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys this year because their coach obviously spent
Speaker 1: a number of years coaching a team that played their
Speaker 1: home games in cold situations, and so him preparing his
Speaker 1: team to be able to handle weather should be a
Speaker 1: good He should be prepared to be able to do that. Now,
Speaker 1: of course, that's still an acclimating, an acclimation thing. They
Speaker 1: have to acclimate to the weather when they get there,
Speaker 1: because that's not the kind of weather you typically have
Speaker 1: in Dallas, Fort worth. But I do think if there's
Speaker 1: a coach out there who's at that kind of experience
Speaker 1: which McCarthy has, I think that should be a benefit
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. The next thing I'll ask you, guys is,
Speaker 1: right now, Cowboys favored in eleven of their sixteen games.
Speaker 1: Give me an over under you guys, take the over
Speaker 1: or the under on them winning eleven games this season.
Speaker 1: Let's start with you, Dave. Oh geez, I would probably
Speaker 1: take the under today. I'm really excited about the offseason
Speaker 1: that they've had, But on paper, how much better do
Speaker 1: they look than last year when they were eight and eight?
Speaker 1: And I mean, you know, you know, the offense should
Speaker 1: be a lot better. I expect Dac to play better,
Speaker 1: I expect Cede Lamb to help all that good stuff,
Speaker 1: But eleven wins is a lot. I'd see them. I'd
Speaker 1: see nine or ten as a more realistic scenario. So
Speaker 1: I would probably go under on that amber. You know,
Speaker 1: people have been asking me that same question, and I
Speaker 1: honestly don't know how to feel. I don't know what
Speaker 1: to expect because I keep going back and forth, you know,
Speaker 1: And I remember I asked you guys a few months
Speaker 1: ago about you know, how long does it take for
Speaker 1: a team to acclimate to a whole new coaching staff.
Speaker 1: And you guys basically said that it can go both ways.
Speaker 1: You know, they can happenly basically, It can happen basically instantly,
Speaker 1: or it can maybe take a while. And that's the
Speaker 1: question here. I do think that having a new voice
Speaker 1: might bring up the spirits around the locker room and
Speaker 1: players like the defense trying to prove themselves and trying
Speaker 1: to go back to being the hot boys and blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. You know, I think that hopefully they can
Speaker 1: go back to that and just have a different kind
Speaker 1: of spirit and play with more more passion, sorry, more
Speaker 1: passion because all we're on the offense side of the ball.
Speaker 1: You know, we saw great things from Kellen Moore. Clearly
Speaker 1: it wasn't really enough, but I'm excited to see what
Speaker 1: more can this offense do now with a new You
Speaker 1: hate the coach, Nick, So if you if you asked
Speaker 1: me right now, I would say, let's keep it out
Speaker 1: of eleven. Let's not go over or under. Let's just
Speaker 1: say eleven. All right, Nick, Um, I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go under that. I mean, it's hard to say right
Speaker 1: now that if we've seen this team better or not,
Speaker 1: because we haven't seen him at all. So um, and
Speaker 1: you know, Dave said it, and I was sat in
Speaker 1: this conversation a few days ago about on paper. You
Speaker 1: know how much I hate that term about on paper
Speaker 1: because what what's the paper? I mean, who wrote it?
Speaker 1: Who typed it? Is it the paper? Derek shuffling around
Speaker 1: on his computer? I mean, what's the paper? What does
Speaker 1: it say? And so I don't know, like I there,
Speaker 1: there you go. What does that tell you, Derek? I mean,
Speaker 1: I just I just think that, Um, you know, you
Speaker 1: have to see it because because we were you know,
Speaker 1: everyone wants to say this team's talented. We'll find out
Speaker 1: if if they're talented. Well, we'll find out if Don
Speaker 1: Taripo and Gerald McCoy our first round pick players. Are
Speaker 1: they the players that struggled a little bit last year
Speaker 1: in Carolina, We'll see. I mean, it's just hard to tell.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say under though, until until we proved differently,
Speaker 1: this is an eight and eight team right now from
Speaker 1: what we saw last year, and I can't imagine that
Speaker 1: they're three games better. But I mean to just point
Speaker 1: this out if they would have scored fifteen points, they
Speaker 1: could have been three or four games better. That's how
Speaker 1: close it was in their losses. And you can't say
Speaker 1: it the other way. On their wins, they were blowing
Speaker 1: out the teams. So that is somewhat of an encouraging sign.
Speaker 1: You can get a touchdown better and you have a
Speaker 1: much better football team. At least that's what we saw
Speaker 1: last year. Oh yeah, oh sorry, go ahead, Derek, No,
Speaker 1: good day, good good day. I mean that that's why
Speaker 1: we did this whole thing about well, you never know
Speaker 1: who's gonna be good and who's gonna be bad, because
Speaker 1: with the exception of like four teams who are clearly
Speaker 1: a lot better than everyone else and four teams that
Speaker 1: are clearly a lot worse, Like, it's just a twenty
Speaker 1: four team jumble and a few touch thouns and a
Speaker 1: few bounces of the ball's going to dictate the difference
Speaker 1: between like ten and six and eight and eight. It
Speaker 1: happens every year, so and I mean, like, I think
Speaker 1: this team has the potential to win more than eleven
Speaker 1: games for sure, Like they absolutely could. But you're asking
Speaker 1: for a lot of breaks to go your way to
Speaker 1: improve by you know, four or five games from last year.
Speaker 1: It just seems it seems like a lot to ask.
Speaker 1: But when you look at how close they were last
Speaker 1: year though, like just talent wise and and the things
Speaker 1: that they were doing, like the it's not that far
Speaker 1: away from you win in an extra four games. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, but I completely agree, Like you're you're
Speaker 1: a handful of way of players away from winning two
Speaker 1: more games and making the playoffs. That's still not eleven wins,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, even if a few things go
Speaker 1: your way, like you got to assume you're going to
Speaker 1: break even in a league with this much parody, I
Speaker 1: think yeah, And I don't. I don't think they've actually
Speaker 1: you know, if you look at cornerback, they lost Byron
Speaker 1: Jones and all the guys that they put in their
Speaker 1: I don't think that right now. I can't see that
Speaker 1: they're going to be better at that position. I don't
Speaker 1: think they're going to be better at center. I don't
Speaker 1: think they're going to be better at the defensive end position.
Speaker 1: Losing Robert Quinn, Randall Cobb versus Ceedee Lamb, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb is probably going to be better at some
Speaker 1: point in his career. I don't know about rate right
Speaker 1: this second, So it's hard to say that they're you know,
Speaker 1: they're going to be better in these in these positions,
Speaker 1: to be three games better. I just don't think we
Speaker 1: could say it right now. Yeah, I will say this,
Speaker 1: I'm a believer that, and I will preface this by saying,
Speaker 1: and you guys know this, I'm probably one of the
Speaker 1: more optimistic people just in everything. I tend to see
Speaker 1: the glass half full. So for me, it's not hard
Speaker 1: to convince myself that they can get to eleven wins
Speaker 1: or beyond this season. But I will say this, I've
Speaker 1: seen where new coaches sometimes in a team that has
Speaker 1: some talent, it'll give them a little bump because there
Speaker 1: are wrinkles and different things that that coach brings in
Speaker 1: that it may not sustain itself over a second, third,
Speaker 1: fourth year, but for that first year you could sometimes
Speaker 1: see a nice little jump there and how a team performs.
Speaker 1: So I'm actually expecting that with some of the changes
Speaker 1: they've made, some of the new talent they've brought in,
Speaker 1: I expect that maybe they can get a little bit
Speaker 1: more out of this team than otherwise because of a
Speaker 1: new coaching staff, and maybe some of the new things
Speaker 1: that they'll implement that uses the talent a little differently
Speaker 1: than the previous regime that may give them it leads
Speaker 1: a little bump for this year. We'll see whether they
Speaker 1: could sustain that. Let's go and take our first break.
Speaker 1: When we come back, we're gonna jump into a little
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Speaker 1: these guys about this team and about some of the players,
Speaker 1: and we'll do that when we come right back. This
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Speaker 1: live from the virtual s WBC Borgas studios. It's in
Speaker 1: our homes. But but we're talking Cowboys football. If you
Speaker 1: guys appreciate you guys taking some time with us today
Speaker 1: to be will talk a little bit with you. In
Speaker 1: the third segment, we are going to take some questions.
Speaker 1: So if you happen to ask some questions, you can
Speaker 1: always tweet them and we'll try to get those questions.
Speaker 1: I know Amber has already accumulated some questions that will
Speaker 1: take but here in the second segment, what I wanted
Speaker 1: to do is I saw this actually on Twitter on
Speaker 1: Twitter last week. It was an interesting little set of
Speaker 1: questions that people could just kind of fill in. So
Speaker 1: I figured we'd take it to the show and I'd
Speaker 1: ask you guys some of these questions. I'm going to
Speaker 1: throw out a basically a category, and I want each
Speaker 1: of you guys to give me a player that you
Speaker 1: think best suits this category. All right, So we're gonna
Speaker 1: start with something really simple. Best player on the team.
Speaker 1: Let's start with you Amber. I think it's Seek. To me,
Speaker 1: it's been Seek for several years. What he does is amazing.
Speaker 1: They're kind of beating he's taking over these few years,
Speaker 1: and the fact that he's still running and healthy, and
Speaker 1: sometimes we've seen him have to carry the team, obviously
Speaker 1: with the help of the old line, but but just
Speaker 1: the the way his physical Like what the power that
Speaker 1: he has in such a small body. You look at
Speaker 1: him in personally and he looks tiny sometimes and then
Speaker 1: you see him on the field, He's like, wow, he
Speaker 1: has so much power in him. Um, I think to
Speaker 1: me he would be the best player, all right. Nick
Speaker 1: trying to be different and say like a Zach Martin,
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, it is Zeke.
Speaker 1: I agree with her. I think Zeke is the best
Speaker 1: player on the team for all of the reasons she
Speaker 1: just said. So, Um, I just think he's He's the
Speaker 1: engine that makes this team go. Yes, Tyrant and Zach
Speaker 1: help and those that offensive line, but it's Zeke's is
Speaker 1: the guy for me. There's only two guys on this
Speaker 1: team who you could say right now have a very
Speaker 1: very good shot to make the Hall of Fame. That's
Speaker 1: Tyrant and Zach. Tyrn love him to death. Obviously, the
Speaker 1: health problems have been a problem for him in the
Speaker 1: last couple of years. Meanwhile, Zach Martin has just been
Speaker 1: in all pro every moment that he's been in the NFL,
Speaker 1: literally from the beginning. He's never not been all pro.
Speaker 1: He's I mean, Zeke and Tank and Tyron all are
Speaker 1: in the conversation, but I don't think anybody would argue,
Speaker 1: especially now that Marshall Yanda retired, Zack Martin is the
Speaker 1: best right guard in football. Um So I think Zach
Speaker 1: all right most overrated or underperforming relative to expectations. Let's
Speaker 1: start with you, Nick Wow, Wow, relative to expectations. I
Speaker 1: would say, Man, I hate saying this, but it's got
Speaker 1: to be DeMarcus Lawrence, and I just I say that
Speaker 1: just because of the contract really, I mean, and what
Speaker 1: they paid for that they needed him to be more
Speaker 1: of a difference maker on defense last year. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't like to knock him. I think he helps
Speaker 1: this team in a lot of ways on and off
Speaker 1: the field. In the locker room, I think he brings
Speaker 1: up the guys around him. But he's got to be
Speaker 1: better than what he was last year. He's got to
Speaker 1: be more disruptive and a guy that you look at
Speaker 1: and say, where is number ninety. We've got to get
Speaker 1: him blocked at all points. And I'm not saying they
Speaker 1: don't do that because Quinn had a great year. We'll
Speaker 1: see this year, you know what the other side looks like.
Speaker 1: But I just think from a contract standpoint, he's the guy.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm missing somebody, Dave. I think it's got to
Speaker 1: be Jail and Smith. Honestly. I mean I don't necessarily
Speaker 1: disagree completely with Nick, but I can turn on the
Speaker 1: All twenty two and show you the impact that DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence makes on the team outside of getting sacks. He's
Speaker 1: constantly double team. He's great against the run, he crashes in.
Speaker 1: He definitely was part of the reason why Robert Quinn
Speaker 1: got so many favorable looks to get as many sacks
Speaker 1: as he did. And then I can and and you know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to dog people either. Jalen had moments
Speaker 1: of good play last year. But I can also turn
Speaker 1: on plenty of games where the opposing offense is targeting
Speaker 1: him to have success. I mean, go watch the Bears
Speaker 1: game over again. It was playing its day. And you know,
Speaker 1: fan bases and media of the teams are typically trying
Speaker 1: to campaign for the players that they follow to make
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. You know, uh, you know, Lyle Collins
Speaker 1: is a great example. A lot of people felt like
Speaker 1: Lyle got shafted last year. Meanwhile, Jaylen Smith made the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl and like the reaction from Cowboys fans and
Speaker 1: media was like, he did that happened? And you factor
Speaker 1: in the fact that he's I mean, he himself is
Speaker 1: also on a big contract. I just think there's there's
Speaker 1: a lot of room for improvement from where he was
Speaker 1: at last year. Amber. You know, I'm so glad, Dave
Speaker 1: that you said Jaylen, because that's the guy who I
Speaker 1: was thinking. And then I was feeling bad. I was
Speaker 1: going through this battle in my head. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I kind of feel bad because you look at where
Speaker 1: he came from, like how far he's come along from
Speaker 1: the injury that he had, and to see him playing
Speaker 1: the way that he's playing now. But then at the
Speaker 1: same time, and it's something that it's hard for me
Speaker 1: to explain. I feel like he he tries too hard
Speaker 1: on the field. He it's just it's not as clean.
Speaker 1: I really don't know how to describe it, but it's
Speaker 1: just not as clean. He hesitates sometimes just because he's
Speaker 1: trying too hard. And you want players obviously to try hard,
Speaker 1: but with him, it's like he needs to chill out,
Speaker 1: take it back and notch Let's refocus, let's reanalyze what
Speaker 1: you're doing. And I think that way he can improve
Speaker 1: his game and what he's doing on the field, because
Speaker 1: sometimes he's just like like kind of all over it
Speaker 1: but then doesn't get it done, you know. So I
Speaker 1: think I would say Jalen and he tries too hard
Speaker 1: off the field, and I think that that's a problem
Speaker 1: as well. So, yeah, those are good, those are good
Speaker 1: points there about Jalen. But I also think in the
Speaker 1: offseason something that has happened where if we were to
Speaker 1: talk about this next year, I think we know who
Speaker 1: the you know the person's going to be. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be the target's gonna be on Dak Prescott. Now, because
Speaker 1: you don't really say that if you don't have a
Speaker 1: huge contract, but now he's gonna at least has a
Speaker 1: big price tag over thirty million, you know, for this year.
Speaker 1: So now he's in the equation as well. And if
Speaker 1: he doesn't perform at a high level, I mean, he's
Speaker 1: going to be a target for this type of conversation
Speaker 1: as well. I think, honestly, I think you you could
Speaker 1: list him right now if you wanted to. And I'm
Speaker 1: the king of the dack defenders, but I mean, last
Speaker 1: season wasn't good enough for for the starting quarterback, and
Speaker 1: especially if you're asking for the type of money that
Speaker 1: he's asking for. I mean, he's gonna get paid regardless.
Speaker 1: He's either going to play on the tag or get
Speaker 1: a deal that he likes, but for the amount of
Speaker 1: money that is being negotiated right now, last season was
Speaker 1: not good enough. Yeah, And I'm kind of shocked that
Speaker 1: you guys didn't mention a guy like Amari Cooper Cooper
Speaker 1: for the same reason, because Amari Cooper is a guy
Speaker 1: that Cowboys gave up first round pick four, they just
Speaker 1: paid a new contract, and they were way too many
Speaker 1: games last year when they needed him and he just
Speaker 1: didn't show up for them. And so I think when
Speaker 1: you start talking about unmet expectations, I think Amar has
Speaker 1: to be in that conversation. Now, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: I think he is one of the best. I think
Speaker 1: you can also throw him in the category of guys
Speaker 1: that would get an honorable mention for best player on
Speaker 1: the team, because when he's on, he's on, and he
Speaker 1: is a really, really good player. But there were just
Speaker 1: too many times where you needed him to step up
Speaker 1: and make a play for you last season where I
Speaker 1: just don't think he met the expectations that you had
Speaker 1: for a guy in that caliber. I am well aware
Speaker 1: that they struggled to score against the Saints, the Patriots,
Speaker 1: the Eagles. I think I'm forgetting somebody. I know that
Speaker 1: they had four or five games where they struggled to
Speaker 1: score twenty points. I still they didn't. The majority of
Speaker 1: their problems from last season on the defense. You know
Speaker 1: in the Bills are one of those teams. I think
Speaker 1: that this when they played top ten teams, I think
Speaker 1: they were like one in six last year. They just
Speaker 1: they don't play well against good defenses. I think their
Speaker 1: number one offensive ranking is very hollow because when it
Speaker 1: was time to score, they couldn't and we talked about
Speaker 1: this before, so this goes on dec as well. And
Speaker 1: they didn't ever come back in games. They never came
Speaker 1: back when they were down in the second half, and
Speaker 1: never came back to win a game. So they had
Speaker 1: some some issues on offense as well. I mean, both
Speaker 1: both sides of the ball. I think they were flashes
Speaker 1: of good play on both sides. Not a lot of
Speaker 1: flashes of good special teams play. And so when when
Speaker 1: it's just pretty good, pretty good, and bad that legion's
Speaker 1: about eight and eight. All right, let's move on best Edition,
Speaker 1: Amber best Edition, And can be a draft pick or
Speaker 1: a free agent? Well, I mean I would have to
Speaker 1: go with see THEE. Lamb just because obviously the obvious
Speaker 1: talent that he's shown during his college career and the
Speaker 1: fact that the Cowboys were able to get him the
Speaker 1: way that they did. You know, it was just a
Speaker 1: complete surprise. And when we were thinking about the wide
Speaker 1: receiver position, there were a lot of questions prior to
Speaker 1: the draft, and you didn't necessarily know what was going
Speaker 1: to happen there, how you were going to reinforce the position.
Speaker 1: And to me, I still have my doubts about Amari Cooper.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't. I don't really know if it
Speaker 1: was his plane. He's obviously a skilled player, but I
Speaker 1: really don't know how much his foot injury was affecting him.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to feel about his foot injury,
Speaker 1: and just see the Lamb is a guy that's going
Speaker 1: to be able to come in and make an immediate impact,
Speaker 1: I think, so I would say him, all right, Dave,
Speaker 1: don't need to spend a lot of time on it.
Speaker 1: It's CD. Y' all know how I feel about him,
Speaker 1: and he's Yeah. I think he's It's the only addition
Speaker 1: that right now is like a definitive upgrade over the
Speaker 1: guy that played the position last year. Like you could say,
Speaker 1: ha ha, Clinton Dix. We'll see how good he actually is.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think Cede Lamb is Yeah. Final answer,
Speaker 1: don you think he's definitively better than cop at this
Speaker 1: point where he is coming into the NFL? As always,
Speaker 1: we have to wait and see. I mean, he might
Speaker 1: not be, but I think he will be. Let's put
Speaker 1: it that way. Okay, Nick, I'll say I agree with
Speaker 1: both Yell, but I'll say Griggs rline as well, because
Speaker 1: I do think that he is a big upgrade for
Speaker 1: what they had to start last year. You can say
Speaker 1: four Bath did a nice job, and he did. He
Speaker 1: didn't miss any kicks. But four Bath is four Bath.
Speaker 1: The bottom will drop out for him. It just will.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what his career is. He did a
Speaker 1: nice job of coming in, but and maybe Zerline will
Speaker 1: struggle as well. But one thing I do know is
Speaker 1: that your kickoffs are going to be much better. You're
Speaker 1: gonna be able to depend people back to start each drive.
Speaker 1: I think that was important and so and you know,
Speaker 1: just like Maher was a weapon with a strong leg,
Speaker 1: I think Zerline will give you that as well. So
Speaker 1: I CD of course, And where he is better than
Speaker 1: Cop is a punt returner. He's a dynamic punt returner.
Speaker 1: He'll be a dynamic punt returner right now. So I
Speaker 1: think I think that helps you. I've said it before.
Speaker 1: This is very similar to ten years ago when Dez
Speaker 1: came in as the third receiver with Roy and Miles Austin.
Speaker 1: You have the same type of dynamic. He'll come in
Speaker 1: and he'll be a good receiver, he'll be a good
Speaker 1: punt returner, and eventually he will be the man. But
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to do everything right now. So I
Speaker 1: think CDs is going to be a great addition. But
Speaker 1: don't forget Zerline, you know, I'll throw in jeral McCoy
Speaker 1: because I really believe this is the kind of signing
Speaker 1: that I've wanted the Cowboys to make for years. Go
Speaker 1: out and get that veteran guy who has a lengthy
Speaker 1: resume of production that isn't yet so over the hill
Speaker 1: to where he can't bring you some of that, And
Speaker 1: whether he will be what he was in the first
Speaker 1: five years of his career or not, who knows. What
Speaker 1: I do know is he's still a productive player, and
Speaker 1: I think he's still at this point. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: I think he's substantially better than the previous guy that
Speaker 1: was there. I think he's better than Malie Collins, and
Speaker 1: so I think they upgraded the position. I think they
Speaker 1: got a guy that still has something left in the tank,
Speaker 1: a guy that has a lot of production, and I
Speaker 1: want to see where that goes. These are the kinds
Speaker 1: of veteran signings that I think the Cowboys should have
Speaker 1: been making, not just the vets that are just you know,
Speaker 1: longtime journeyman, but a legit guy that has been one
Speaker 1: of the better defensive tackles in the league for the
Speaker 1: better part of his career. And I think that can
Speaker 1: pay big dividends for the Cowboys if you get him
Speaker 1: in the right situation and you know, like a CD
Speaker 1: is great, it'll help Dak be better. And that guy
Speaker 1: you guys were saying is very overrated Jalen Smith, Dontaripo,
Speaker 1: and Gerald McCoy are as good as they they're as
Speaker 1: advertising and as good as they have been, then Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith will be better. Layton Vanderich will be better because
Speaker 1: of the trickle down effect of allowing them to go
Speaker 1: free up and play and make plays. So you might
Speaker 1: get two upgrades within one if Gerald McCoy is as
Speaker 1: good as as you say, Derek. All right, let's move
Speaker 1: on to our next question. Next category, could surprise. Let's
Speaker 1: start with you, Dave, who could surprise? Oh gosh, okay, actually, well,
Speaker 1: these these tie in together. Um, So I'll say Tyler
Speaker 1: battish Um because I mean he's he's a Day three pick.
Speaker 1: You know you shouldn't expect too much, and you know
Speaker 1: he took the reason he fell obviously injuries, and he
Speaker 1: just wasn't his dynamic after his injuries. At Wisconsin, but
Speaker 1: the Cowboys says healthy and ready to go. This was
Speaker 1: a Remington Award winner. I believe he won it on
Speaker 1: or this season or two seasons ago. But I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a highly talented and highly experienced guy, and
Speaker 1: it's conceivable that he can step in and surprise and
Speaker 1: push for playing time right away. I don't know that
Speaker 1: I expect it, but it's possible, all right. Nick blake Bell,
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna help this team. He's a true
Speaker 1: blocking tight end, but he's also dynamic enough to, you know,
Speaker 1: do some things with the ball in his hand. I
Speaker 1: think he's going to be an upgrade at tight end. Now.
Speaker 1: Obviously Jarwin is going to be the starter. He should
Speaker 1: be an upgrade over Jason Witten. That's what the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are expecting, of course, but I think Blake Bell will
Speaker 1: be an upgrade over their backup tight end. And I'm
Speaker 1: interested to see how McCarthy's gonna use these tight ends.
Speaker 1: It'll be different than what we've seen with Garrett. I
Speaker 1: think that he will be a significant signing for this team.
Speaker 1: Amber I don't if this is if it would be
Speaker 1: much of a surprise, because we did get to see
Speaker 1: a little spark from him last year during training camp,
Speaker 1: but I would go with Luke Giffer. I'm excited to
Speaker 1: see him healthy and see him just getting back at
Speaker 1: it and practicing that. I've said this before. He has
Speaker 1: the perfect linebacker mold. He fits right along with Sean
Speaker 1: Lee Jalen late In. Even so, he has a perfect mold.
Speaker 1: We've seen him have some spark, he has the ability.
Speaker 1: It sucks that his season was kind of messed up
Speaker 1: because of the injury that he had. But going and
Speaker 1: getting healthy and getting back at it, I think he
Speaker 1: might surprise us. I will tell you this. When I
Speaker 1: put this one down on paper, I had a very
Speaker 1: clear image in my mind of who this player was,
Speaker 1: and for me, it's Alden Smith. He is the definition
Speaker 1: of this category of good surprise because he's a guy
Speaker 1: that hasn't played in forever. He's had a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: He's at the battle off the field. Most people feel
Speaker 1: like gets probably impossible for a guy that hasn't played
Speaker 1: in as long as he hasn't played to come back
Speaker 1: and make an impact, But he does have skill. What
Speaker 1: we know is when he was playing in the NFL,
Speaker 1: he had a ton of skill and uh and so
Speaker 1: maybe just maybe he can be the exception to the
Speaker 1: rule here that if he still has that quick twitch
Speaker 1: and and and actually can get back and play the
Speaker 1: way that he was kindled even some of that, if
Speaker 1: you could put him in on some pass rushdowns, he
Speaker 1: could surprise some people and really give you a boost
Speaker 1: from a pass rush standpoint in an area where, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, that's a that's a part of the team
Speaker 1: that I don't think they did as much to to
Speaker 1: make better this offseason, where I think there are a
Speaker 1: lot of other areas where they did get better. I
Speaker 1: don't think they necessarily did it pass rush, but I
Speaker 1: think he is a guy that definitely could surprise some
Speaker 1: people this season. Let's go on to the next category.
Speaker 1: Takes a leap? Who takes a leap? Let's start with
Speaker 1: Amber takes the leap? Oh, how do you know? Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what to say. I
Speaker 1: would go with maybe Xavier Woods. Maybe maybe he can
Speaker 1: hopefully take a leap and say and um no, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna change it. I'm gonna go with
Speaker 1: Chittowa Chiba Woozy. I think that he can take a
Speaker 1: leap and and get back to some of those good
Speaker 1: moments that we did see from him. Um, he does
Speaker 1: have the talent. I don't know what it was from
Speaker 1: these previous years. Last year that his playing game, like
Speaker 1: his game was just going down and but but I've
Speaker 1: seen it, I've seen him have it. I just I
Speaker 1: just think he needs to do I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 1: with the new coaching staff he can improve and get better,
Speaker 1: but him being on a contract year where this is
Speaker 1: his final year and on his contract, I think he
Speaker 1: can definitely take a leap, all right, Nick Jaylen Jolks,
Speaker 1: We've talked about him a lot, but I just think somebody,
Speaker 1: one of those defensive ends is gonna take a leap,
Speaker 1: And it could be him, it could be Joe Jackson,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna go with Jalen Jolkes. I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna He's got the frame for it. I think he's
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a different physique than he had a
Speaker 1: last year. I see him. For him, a leap would
Speaker 1: be making the team. I don't know if that's a
Speaker 1: huge impact player, but I think he makes the leap
Speaker 1: and makes a jump to the roster this year. Dave
Speaker 1: rain Dakota Prescott I mean, obviously, I know he's already
Speaker 1: a good player, but for the amount of arguing, you know,
Speaker 1: there doesn't seem to be a lot of consensus about
Speaker 1: where to stack this guy in the hierarchy of NFL quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: and one way or another, I don't think that'll be
Speaker 1: a problem when this season's over, you know, if it
Speaker 1: happens the way it's supposed to happen, between having another
Speaker 1: year of Kellen Moore, adding an offensive minded coach and
Speaker 1: Mike Carthy getting a top twenty pick added to your offense,
Speaker 1: and then factor it. You know, Dak thrives under pressure.
Speaker 1: We've called him a gamer forever. Well, he's either going
Speaker 1: to have a big contract to live up to or
Speaker 1: he's going to be playing on a tag for a
Speaker 1: big contract. Either way, the pressures on. So go prove it,
Speaker 1: and I think he will, and I think by the
Speaker 1: time he's done playing next season, a lot more people
Speaker 1: will agree that he's a top five six quarterback in
Speaker 1: the NFL. You know, right now, Dave, They they came
Speaker 1: out with, you know, the odds of winning the MVP.
Speaker 1: I believe he was the third highest third, you know,
Speaker 1: best odds to win it at like eight to one
Speaker 1: or something like that, which is surprising to me. But
Speaker 1: you know, I mean that Vegas is thinking that that
Speaker 1: he's going to have a big year to be in
Speaker 1: the running for MVP. I think that's surprising to me.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, but I think you got to
Speaker 1: remember the size of the Cowboys fan base skews a
Speaker 1: lot of that stuff because there's so many and you know,
Speaker 1: if he's got bad odds, then a boatload of Cowboys
Speaker 1: fans are going to vet on him, and you know,
Speaker 1: they stand to take Vegas for a lot of money.
Speaker 1: So I think the size of the Cowboys fan base
Speaker 1: skews a lot of those prop bets. But I do
Speaker 1: think it's interesting that they think that highly of him
Speaker 1: before the season. Yeah, but you know that doesn't shock
Speaker 1: me because when you think about it again, we mentioned
Speaker 1: it the earlier part of the show, Cowboys are favored
Speaker 1: in eleven of their sixteen games. At this point, you
Speaker 1: add in the fact that this is an offense with
Speaker 1: the addition of Cede Lamb a lot of people think
Speaker 1: is going to be one of the better, if not
Speaker 1: the best offense in the league. So if you got
Speaker 1: a quarterback who is leading the best or one of
Speaker 1: the best offenses in the league, and you got a
Speaker 1: team that can win eleven games, He's going to be
Speaker 1: right up there in the votes when it comes to
Speaker 1: League MVP, regardless of well not regardless of but if
Speaker 1: you do all those things, obviously the records going to
Speaker 1: be reflective of the fact that he's played that well.
Speaker 1: So that doesn't really shock me. I think they're a
Speaker 1: lot lot of people right now, just with the addition
Speaker 1: of Ceedee Lamb, I think there are a lot of
Speaker 1: people out there right now. I feel like the Cowboys
Speaker 1: offense will be really really good next year and that's
Speaker 1: going to catapult them too more wins. And I also
Speaker 1: think there's a little bit of love for Mike McCartney
Speaker 1: that wasn't necessarily there for Jason Garrett. Let's going to
Speaker 1: move on to the next one prove it year. Who
Speaker 1: has the biggest prove it year in twenty twenty, Well
Speaker 1: it will be that if he if he has to
Speaker 1: play on the franchise tag, which I don't believe would
Speaker 1: be a smart decision for him. That's why I think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have a lot of leverage here, more leverage
Speaker 1: than he does. Um that he needs to go and
Speaker 1: and and you know, whatever the deal is, he needs
Speaker 1: to sign that because if he plays on a franchise
Speaker 1: tag this year and they don't make the playoffs, then
Speaker 1: I don't think that's going to help him. Obviously, it's
Speaker 1: not going to help him moving forward. So he's got
Speaker 1: a definite prove it year. Um if if he's playing
Speaker 1: on a franchise tag, it doesn't even if he does,
Speaker 1: like Dave said, even if he has a new deal,
Speaker 1: he's still you know, he needn't need to prove it
Speaker 1: for you know, his for a contract point, but he
Speaker 1: needs to kind of prove it for you know his
Speaker 1: you know, any any the pundits out there that are
Speaker 1: talking about him. So I don't know if that's the
Speaker 1: answer you're looking for, You're probably looking for something else.
Speaker 1: But Dak would be right now is the guy that
Speaker 1: would be on the prove it deal if he doesn't
Speaker 1: get a new deal. Dave, I don't. I don't completely agree.
Speaker 1: I mean, the danswer's gonna be Dak regardless just because
Speaker 1: of how much money's involved. But I mean, Kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: proved that you can play on the tag and not
Speaker 1: make the playoffs and still make Bank so and I
Speaker 1: thought it was really interesting, but not here. Well no, no
Speaker 1: no, no no, no, not maybe not with the Cowboys. But
Speaker 1: you know, I out Kirk Cousins regrets the way that
Speaker 1: it went for him personally. Um, I thought it was
Speaker 1: interesting that he came out and said that he told
Speaker 1: Dak not to be afraid of the tag and I mean,
Speaker 1: looking at the way things have gone for Cousins, I
Speaker 1: totally understand his line of thought. Um. Anyway, I would say, Williams,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a year three. He was picked number
Speaker 1: fifty two. He's been He's not a bad pick at all,
Speaker 1: not a bad player, but maybe hasn't lived up to
Speaker 1: the expectation of being drafted that highly. I mean we're
Speaker 1: sitting here talking about, you know, will he win the
Speaker 1: left guard job? What do you do with him? And
Speaker 1: that's not ideal for a guy taken as high as
Speaker 1: he was. So yeah, I think this is a big
Speaker 1: year for him to come out and grab that job
Speaker 1: or or you know, the Cowboys. And if he doesn't, obviously,
Speaker 1: then you're probably talking about a different starter, Yamber Um,
Speaker 1: obviously from me would be daged. But just to give
Speaker 1: you someone different, I would say Tristan Hill. He's a
Speaker 1: guy that I mean, he's only had one year, but
Speaker 1: at the same time, I was expecting a lot more
Speaker 1: from him and not what we saw last year. So
Speaker 1: I think he needs to prove it. He needs to
Speaker 1: prove why the Cowboys drafted him at the place that
Speaker 1: they drafted him. He needs to that he has talent
Speaker 1: to help the defensive line. And yeah, I would say him,
Speaker 1: you know, I throw out the answer that Amber gave
Speaker 1: for the previous question, which is to take a leap guy.
Speaker 1: I actually think it's Cheeto. I think what the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have done in the draft and free agency sets up
Speaker 1: a scenario where they don't necessarily have to keep Cheeto
Speaker 1: around even this year if they don't want to. And
Speaker 1: so if you start talking about prove it, like he's
Speaker 1: in that situation right now, he could go from being
Speaker 1: a starter to being a guy that doesn't even make
Speaker 1: a team. And so I think, more than anybody else
Speaker 1: on this team, he definitely needs to prove it because
Speaker 1: this is this is kind of the moment when he
Speaker 1: either makes his career or he becomes that guy that
Speaker 1: kind of jumps around to the next team and just
Speaker 1: kind of flounders from there. So I think this is
Speaker 1: a huge year for Cheeto. I actually like the fact
Speaker 1: that there have been sparks in his career where we
Speaker 1: saw things from him, traits from him that suggested he
Speaker 1: can play and he can play well. He just didn't
Speaker 1: have a good year last year, and so I want
Speaker 1: to see if he can actually prove it this year
Speaker 1: because it could be the difference between him getting a
Speaker 1: new deal with the Cowboys or what kind of new
Speaker 1: deal he gets with someone else, if he can play
Speaker 1: well this year or not. Yeah, to me, the reason
Speaker 1: why I didn't mention him is because I think he
Speaker 1: has approved training camp and we'll see what kind of
Speaker 1: camp that's going to be. But because you're right, he
Speaker 1: may not make the team if he doesn't, you know,
Speaker 1: if they don't feel like he's a guy that can,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of go forward. That they have a
Speaker 1: lot of cornerbacks right now, and I think that with
Speaker 1: the added competition and with Cheeto being such a competitive guy, um,
Speaker 1: I think it does push him to do even better.
Speaker 1: Because you looked at last year, I mean, what kind
Speaker 1: of competition did you really have at the cornerback position
Speaker 1: last year? I don't Yeah, but he got benched. I mean,
Speaker 1: like he got benched in the middle of the year.
Speaker 1: So well, yeah, that's my point. You're kind of you
Speaker 1: don't really have anyone behind you kind of pressuring you. Like,
Speaker 1: oh it sounds it might sound dumb. It makes sense
Speaker 1: in my head, but I think that the sion of
Speaker 1: these other cornerbacks are going to put pressure on him
Speaker 1: to have him bring out more out of himself. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe and maybe and you know, like you said, Derek,
Speaker 1: if he doesn't have a you know, good year, or
Speaker 1: he gets moves to another team or whatever. I mean,
Speaker 1: his career path is very similar to the guy that
Speaker 1: brought in, Daryl Worley. Uh, he was a you know,
Speaker 1: four year guy, and he was I think I think
Speaker 1: a third or fourth round pick and you know, and
Speaker 1: play okay and then and then moved to another team
Speaker 1: and so and now he's going to be like kind
Speaker 1: of a journeyman. So you know, this is kind of
Speaker 1: a make or break year, make or break training camp
Speaker 1: for a defining point of you know, he's kind of
Speaker 1: in a fork in the road. Which way is he
Speaker 1: is he gonna go? So yeah, this is definitely a
Speaker 1: big offseason and year for cheetoh. I mean, you think
Speaker 1: about how teams are willing to pay cornerbacks, and and
Speaker 1: so if he can do something really special this year,
Speaker 1: then whether the Cowboys sign him or not kind kind
Speaker 1: of becomes irrelevant. It creates an opportunity for him as
Speaker 1: far as his money making potential in his career. So
Speaker 1: this is a huge year for him. This is really
Speaker 1: a proved year for him across the league, not necessarily
Speaker 1: just with the Cowboys. All Right, we're gonna take a
Speaker 1: final break. When we come back. We got one more question.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to one more category we'll do and
Speaker 1: then hopefully we'll get to some questions before the show ends.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back. Final segment of the Break. We are alive
Speaker 1: from the home edition of the SWBC Morris Studios and
Speaker 1: we've been going through a few categories talking about some
Speaker 1: different players on the team. We got one more category
Speaker 1: we want to hit. This category is player the Cowboys
Speaker 1: can least afford to lose. Let's start with you, Dave,
Speaker 1: least afford to lose. I mean, oh, oh, it's not
Speaker 1: It's not Dak anymore because they got the red rifle. Yeah, Dalton,
Speaker 1: change and go ahead. Now, I was just gonna say,
Speaker 1: I'll throw this into like last year, you would have
Speaker 1: probably thrown Amar in that mix. Now you got another
Speaker 1: guy you feel I can maybe be a lead type receiver.
Speaker 1: I think it changed a little bit with regards to
Speaker 1: who we can throw in this category. But go ahead, Dave.
Speaker 1: Who's your answer? Um, I mean it would be easy
Speaker 1: to say Zeke, DeMarcus Lawrence comes to mind. I'll I mean,
Speaker 1: I'll say Tyron Smith still. Um, I mean I'm talking
Speaker 1: like for a long stretch of time. I know, you
Speaker 1: know he usually misses two or three games a year,
Speaker 1: but I'm talking if they didn't have him at all,
Speaker 1: that's kind of scary, especially you know they'd let go
Speaker 1: of Cam Fleming. I don't think you want Cameron Irving
Speaker 1: stepping into the starting lineup for a prolonged period of time.
Speaker 1: So that would be a quick way to have the
Speaker 1: season go south as if tired and had to sit
Speaker 1: for a prolonged stretch. All right, amber Um, I would
Speaker 1: say DeMarcus Lawrence just because he's the most proven guy
Speaker 1: on the defensive end spot right now. We still don't
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen with Alden Smith. We don't
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen with Randy Gregory. So as far
Speaker 1: as talent and experience, I think that you losing DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence for whatever reason would would be a tough loss. Okay, Zeke,
Speaker 1: I mean that's easy for me, but I mean it's
Speaker 1: still Zeke. I mean we had him as the best
Speaker 1: player now now Tony Pollard is Tony to me is
Speaker 1: a backup running act. That's why he was drafted. When
Speaker 1: he was drafted, I don't believe he would be in
Speaker 1: every down back. He can't come in against the Dolphins
Speaker 1: and rush for a hundred yards in the fourth quarter
Speaker 1: and everyone says, look at him. I know, I don't
Speaker 1: think he would be your lead back. And if he was,
Speaker 1: then who's behind him giving him arrest? So Zeke is
Speaker 1: the guy. He's the guy you can least afford to lose.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, Yeah, for me, this question is all
Speaker 1: about the delta, like the delta between the guy you
Speaker 1: lose and the next guy. And I hear what you're saying, Nick.
Speaker 1: Obviously Zeke is on a whole different plane. But I
Speaker 1: do think Tony Pollard for a stretch of games, could
Speaker 1: be a guy that's a suitable replacement for Zeke. I
Speaker 1: agree with Amber. I think DeMarcus Lawrence is the one
Speaker 1: where you look at the largest like there is a
Speaker 1: significant difference between DeMarcus Lawrence and the next guy, not
Speaker 1: even considering the next guy that could actually start jump
Speaker 1: in and play for him, right, And so for me,
Speaker 1: if you lose DeMarcus Lawrence, that's where you're gonna see
Speaker 1: the biggest difference in players. Tyren Smith probably is another
Speaker 1: one that kind fits in that same mole. But I
Speaker 1: think right now, on this defense, he is the best
Speaker 1: player on your defense. The difference between him and the
Speaker 1: next closest guy defensive end is really really large. Losing
Speaker 1: him would mean a substantial loss for the defense, and
Speaker 1: I don't know if the defense because sustain that. All right,
Speaker 1: So we appreciate you guys playing along it. That's a
Speaker 1: fun game to play, Amber. We're gonna have you give
Speaker 1: us some questions from some fans here in the final segment?
Speaker 1: What you got, Well, this one's gonna be kind of
Speaker 1: hard to answer because we don't really know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: But in your opinion, what do you guys think would
Speaker 1: be the contingency plan if a player gets COVID during
Speaker 1: the season? I mean, should should teams have a better
Speaker 1: flexibility to add more players or postpone a game? Or
Speaker 1: does in a crisis scenario, do you end up quarantine
Speaker 1: in the whole team? Like, what do you think would
Speaker 1: would happen as the plan to kind of what would
Speaker 1: be the procedure to go along with that if a
Speaker 1: player does have together I'll speak for Dave on this
Speaker 1: when I say, Derek, no, you know, and I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, I will take this question because I've had
Speaker 1: some conversations with different people, and I'll tell you this, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know that there's necessarily a plan in place
Speaker 1: for all those different scenarios. What I do know is
Speaker 1: the NFL is very, very bullish on the idea that
Speaker 1: they're going to play and they want to play the
Speaker 1: twenty games, but they're also bullish on the idea that
Speaker 1: they're going to listen to advice that they get from
Speaker 1: the CDC, advice they get from local authorities in the
Speaker 1: cities where their teams play, and they're gonna make whatever
Speaker 1: decisions they have to make. And so I think they're
Speaker 1: gonna have to be flexible. And by the way, that's
Speaker 1: probably the whole country right now, like every business owner
Speaker 1: out there is doing the exact same thing. They're making decisions,
Speaker 1: but they're also making decisions knowing they have to be
Speaker 1: flexible that just because you make a decision today, tomorrow
Speaker 1: something can't happen that makes you have to change course
Speaker 1: and do something different. You hear about the NBA, the MLB,
Speaker 1: everybody's doing the same thing on trying to figure this out.
Speaker 1: So um So, I don't know that there's a plan
Speaker 1: in place. What I do know is they're going to
Speaker 1: be flexible. I do know that they're going to listen
Speaker 1: to the experts that they have, both on their staff
Speaker 1: and outside of their staff, and I think they'll make
Speaker 1: whatever decisions they have to make as a season goes on.
Speaker 1: You know, let me add this too. I said earlier
Speaker 1: about the schedule, how it looked like a normal schedule,
Speaker 1: that there wasn't anything kind of weird that contingency plans.
Speaker 1: But there is a one aspect that I thought was interesting,
Speaker 1: and how everybody's Week two opponent is the same has
Speaker 1: the same bye Weekum have y'all seen that? And and yeah,
Speaker 1: every every Week two opponent, Cowboys and Falcons have the
Speaker 1: same bye week, which means, from what I think it
Speaker 1: means is if they were to move the season back,
Speaker 1: your Week one game could go to the end of
Speaker 1: the year, your Week two game could go to your
Speaker 1: bye week. So that there's a reason why everybody's Week
Speaker 1: two schedule it is by um. And and you know,
Speaker 1: you saw where Tampa, who's hosting the Super Bowl, has said,
Speaker 1: you know we can we can push things back a
Speaker 1: month or two months, so you know if that were
Speaker 1: to happen. So yeah, there are some built in contingencies,
Speaker 1: but nothing glaring or anything like that. And somebody on
Speaker 1: Twitter said to me, hey, what if they missed the
Speaker 1: first four games of the season, they'll start with Week five,
Speaker 1: which is against the Giant York Giants. That is not
Speaker 1: by coincidence. I hope it is. I hope it is
Speaker 1: a coincidence. All Right, So over the last few years,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have showed that they like incorporating the fake
Speaker 1: jet sweep, or at least the thread of it on
Speaker 1: offense with Tavon Austin and Lucky Whitehead while they were here.
Speaker 1: Now that they're off the roster, who do you expect
Speaker 1: to take over that role? Jordan Lewis, Can you see
Speaker 1: the very unamused look on my face right now? Because
Speaker 1: they didn't do it. They didn't do it at all.
Speaker 1: Last year. They had Tavon, they had Tony Pollard, they
Speaker 1: hated doing it. I don't understand why it is that
Speaker 1: the same look you had when Witton scored that touchdown
Speaker 1: right in front of us, and you had that really
Speaker 1: unamused I was making. It was more like that. I
Speaker 1: was just stressed out. I'm not stressed out by the
Speaker 1: thought of who's going to run the jet sweep. I
Speaker 1: just hope somebody tells them they should do it. Tony
Speaker 1: Pollard can do it, Ceedee Lamb can do it, um
Speaker 1: Michael Gallop and Amari Cooper can do it. For that matter.
Speaker 1: That's the thing that it drove me absolutely nuts when
Speaker 1: they were like, oh no, Tavon's hurt, so we gotta
Speaker 1: get the gotta get Jordan Lewis on offense to do this,
Speaker 1: and we'll just telegraph it every single time, like you
Speaker 1: have to be fast to play wide receiver in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Anybody can do it. So hopefully yeah, they're a lot
Speaker 1: less annoying about it this year. That would be great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well said agreed. All right, So we talked about DAC earlier.
Speaker 1: Is it possible without the Cowboys just end up giving up?
Speaker 1: I did deadline and say if it, here's the deal,
Speaker 1: sign it exactly like that. I don't again, I think
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys can have I think they've got more
Speaker 1: leverage here because I think that. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: if if if Dad doesn't play at the highest of levels,
Speaker 1: I think that they'll they'll have a position where they can,
Speaker 1: you know, pay him what they want to pay him.
Speaker 1: I think I think Dak has more to lose in
Speaker 1: this than the Cowboys. That's why. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if you guys agree with that, but so I think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys can can stand firm on this. I actually
Speaker 1: agree with that. I mentioned it last week when we
Speaker 1: were talking about Dalton. I think as as though you know,
Speaker 1: I know some people don't believe it has anything to
Speaker 1: do with Dak, and quite frankly, it may not have
Speaker 1: anything to do with Dak. What I do believe is
Speaker 1: it does give them some assurances that they have another
Speaker 1: capable quarterback on the roster and if for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: Dak does not play well this season, which by the way,
Speaker 1: right now, maybe the Cowboys look at this and say,
Speaker 1: this gives us a reason, the whole firm, because we
Speaker 1: really would like to see another year out of him
Speaker 1: before we commit to even more money. If we're going
Speaker 1: to go and meet his demands, right, and so if
Speaker 1: you're going to do that, I think this gives them
Speaker 1: some assurances that let's assume they go that route, and
Speaker 1: let's assume he plays on the tag, and let's assume
Speaker 1: he doesn't play as well as they expect him to
Speaker 1: play in this year, in this fifth year of his
Speaker 1: NFL career, then they have number one. They have another
Speaker 1: quarterback on the roster that maybe they decide can be
Speaker 1: a better option if they decide to move on from Dak,
Speaker 1: or if they decide to hold firm on their offer
Speaker 1: and maybe tag him a second time. Who knows, But
Speaker 1: I just think this gives him a ton of different
Speaker 1: options and I don't think it really gave Dak more options.
Speaker 1: I think he still has the options he has, which
Speaker 1: are very few with them in my opinion. Right now,
Speaker 1: I don't disagree, but I don't think the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: that much leverage. I mean, they don't have to pay
Speaker 1: him if they don't want to. But I think Dak
Speaker 1: can just chill. And at this point, you know, I
Speaker 1: thought something might happen around the draft, and now that
Speaker 1: it hasn't if the Cowboys aren't up in their offer,
Speaker 1: and you know, we don't know all the mechanics of it,
Speaker 1: but if Dak's not happy with the offer on the table,
Speaker 1: he can just sit back and wait for something to happen.
Speaker 1: And by that, I mean, you know, if Deshaun Watson
Speaker 1: signs an extension that blows what he was asking out
Speaker 1: of the water, then the ball game changes once again,
Speaker 1: just like it did last summer when Winston Goff sign
Speaker 1: and that, but only but only if he plays really
Speaker 1: well this year. Right. Well, But and that's what I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, is and I don't know anything. I
Speaker 1: don't have any inside information, but I'm starting to feel
Speaker 1: like Dak might play on the tack because he he
Speaker 1: does not lack for confidence. I said, he's a gamer.
Speaker 1: He's always like he loves being doubted. I think it
Speaker 1: fuels his competitive fire. I think he thinks that it
Speaker 1: gives him an edge. So if the Cowboys don't say
Speaker 1: screw it and just meet what he's asking for, I
Speaker 1: can see him playing on the tag and being like,
Speaker 1: all right, fine, I'll go out there and show y'all
Speaker 1: that I'm worth thirty eight million. I believe in myself.
Speaker 1: So so what if he goes out and goes gets
Speaker 1: they go nine and seven and miss the playoffs again.
Speaker 1: I mean, and he played on the tag, he went
Speaker 1: he played enough to get him out of the playoffs,
Speaker 1: just like he did last year. I mean he I
Speaker 1: mean did he play well last year? I mean his
Speaker 1: passing for all those yards will get you as the
Speaker 1: backup quarterback in New Orleans. That's what Jameis Winston did,
Speaker 1: So all these yards doesn't matter. He almost broke Romo's
Speaker 1: record in twenty twelve, which was also an eight and
Speaker 1: eight season, So I don't think he played that well.
Speaker 1: Right now. He's had four years in his career, two
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, two out of the playoffs. If he
Speaker 1: doesn't play well and doesn't get him to the playoffs.
Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm the Cowboys, I'm thinking maybe I'll
Speaker 1: give him another year on the tag. But I mean
Speaker 1: I'm not. I mean maybe at that point, after five years,
Speaker 1: maybe it would be time to move on if he
Speaker 1: if he's got to the playoffs two out of five years,
Speaker 1: every metric that you can look at, whether it's something
Speaker 1: as simple as passing yards or like expected points over average,
Speaker 1: or car yards and yards for error, attempt and completion,
Speaker 1: all that, all of them points to him being one
Speaker 1: of the best ten but quarterbacks in the NFL. And
Speaker 1: everybody loves to say that wins are a team stat,
Speaker 1: not a quarterback stat, even though quarterbacks get credit for
Speaker 1: and blame for all of them. Do I think he
Speaker 1: I mean, he certainly wasn't amazing last year they were
Speaker 1: an eight and eight team. I do think he played
Speaker 1: like one of the ten best quarterbacks in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And that comes with a certain price tag that if
Speaker 1: he if he plays that's the problem. What's what. I'm sorry, David,
Speaker 1: but you keep saying top ten. The Cowboys would love
Speaker 1: to pay him in the top ten, that's I think.
Speaker 1: But the problem here is that he has got top
Speaker 1: ten stats and he's wanting top one or two money.
Speaker 1: That's where I think that, you know, the fork in
Speaker 1: the road is here. The forty nine Ers put Garoppolo
Speaker 1: at the top of the Pachart after eight games, Like
Speaker 1: this isn't new. I mean, we just Kirk Cousins signed
Speaker 1: an eighty four million dollars deal which gave him the
Speaker 1: highest average per year in the NFL at the time
Speaker 1: it was signed. And that was after two years where
Speaker 1: he played on the tag and couldn't get Washington the playoffs.
Speaker 1: That's I'm sorry, that's just the way it works. It's capitalism.
Speaker 1: If you don't like it, but you let yeah, But
Speaker 1: well you can just say, I mean, you don't have
Speaker 1: to do it just because the Cowboys are because other
Speaker 1: teams are doing it. I mean the Cowboys don't have
Speaker 1: to do that. Absolutely don't have to do it. But
Speaker 1: I mean, it takes a lot of balls to walk
Speaker 1: away from a competent, good, above average, starting caliber NFL quarterback.
Speaker 1: It's it takes a lot. It takes a lot of
Speaker 1: those cajonas to walk away from one hundred and ten
Speaker 1: million dollars, which he is just left on the table
Speaker 1: as well. So I mean, it's just a game of
Speaker 1: It's just it's a game with chicken right now. I mean,
Speaker 1: who's gonna Who's gonna you know, blink first, really and
Speaker 1: we'll see. But I think I think Dak would be
Speaker 1: very foolish to go into this season on the franchise tag.
Speaker 1: He's got that money sitting on the table. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone should feel sorry for him. That
Speaker 1: all he paid for two million dollars. He didn't have
Speaker 1: to play for two million last year. He had an
Speaker 1: offer on the tamper, he didn't want it. So I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not trying to Hey, I love Dak.
Speaker 1: I love what he brings to the team. But I'm
Speaker 1: saying right now, it's right on the board four years.
Speaker 1: If he gets to a fifth year and doesn't lead
Speaker 1: him to the playoffs, then I think we're gonna be
Speaker 1: looking at him in a different light. So see, I
Speaker 1: actually think both of these things can be true. I
Speaker 1: think right now both the Cowboys probably look at themselves
Speaker 1: and say, hey, we're all what we are. And if
Speaker 1: he wants to play on the on the franchise tag
Speaker 1: as opposed to taking what we take what we offer,
Speaker 1: then we're okay with that. And I also agree with
Speaker 1: Dave that on the other side, Dak's probably looking at
Speaker 1: it and saying, I have enough confidence in myself that
Speaker 1: I think I'll play well. And if whatever reason Cowboys
Speaker 1: don't want to give me a better offer, at some point,
Speaker 1: they're either going to give me a better offer or
Speaker 1: somebody else will is probably how he looks at it.
Speaker 1: And so I think both can be true right now,
Speaker 1: and again I don't, and that's the reason why, to
Speaker 1: go back to Amber's original point, I don't think necessarily
Speaker 1: I'm not very optimistic that a deal gets done before
Speaker 1: franchise tag is up. It doesn't seem like either side
Speaker 1: is willing to necessarily move beyond where they are. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's gonna be something that happens
Speaker 1: between now in July fifteenth that's gonna make them say
Speaker 1: I'm sorry June fifteenth, that makes them say, yeah, we'll move. Now,
Speaker 1: we'll do something different now, jocker, take up, sorry, don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know that there's anything's gonna happen and that
Speaker 1: meantime it's gonna make them move. And so I think
Speaker 1: both are settled. I think that right now, just my
Speaker 1: personal opinion, I think he'll play this year on the
Speaker 1: franchise tag and then we'll see how this all plays out.
Speaker 1: It we'll be right back here next offseason having this
Speaker 1: conversation all over again. Which can I make another point
Speaker 1: real quick? I know that we're running out of time
Speaker 1: and all that, but another question that I had to
Speaker 1: kind of play along those same lines. You know, we
Speaker 1: know that the economy is taking a hit with this
Speaker 1: whole COVID Night team, So looking at a future, you know,
Speaker 1: next year, if for some reason the fact that attendance
Speaker 1: game attendance takes a hit and then now you start
Speaker 1: seeing a drab up as far as income around the league,
Speaker 1: does that change up these kinds of contracts? You know
Speaker 1: what you do in the future. You know, if he
Speaker 1: was to play under the franchise tag and then looking
Speaker 1: for another a bigger contract next year, how does that
Speaker 1: play a roll in to that whole thing? That is
Speaker 1: an awesome point, and I don't it's a very good point.
Speaker 1: I don't think we have a great answer to it
Speaker 1: because I've set that all along talking about Garoppolo and
Speaker 1: Cousins sign the deal, the capital jump, you'll look smart
Speaker 1: in eighteen months. But with all this stuff with COVID,
Speaker 1: I don't think you can guarantee that anymore. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's you can realistically guess at what
Speaker 1: the cap will be in a year or two years
Speaker 1: based on how this might change things. So I will
Speaker 1: give the Cowboys credit for that is this might not
Speaker 1: be the time to say, ah, screw it, signed the
Speaker 1: check and we'll have more money later. That might not
Speaker 1: be the case. I mean, I wish we had more information,
Speaker 1: but it's it's definitely something you got to keep in
Speaker 1: the back of your mind. Yeah, And just so people know,
Speaker 1: the salary cap is based upon revenues. It's a percentage
Speaker 1: that the players get out of revenues from the club.
Speaker 1: So it definitely could have an impact one way or
Speaker 1: the other. Who knows. And we again, we are in
Speaker 1: such an unprecedented time. I don't think anybody knows exactly
Speaker 1: what the outcome is going to be. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that should factor in. If I'm dak, I'm
Speaker 1: at least having some conversations with my representatives about that
Speaker 1: and how I think that's gonna play out relative to
Speaker 1: this offer. And what future offers might be. All right,
Speaker 1: We'll appreciate you guys joining us. It was a great show.
Speaker 1: We had a good time. We'll be back next week
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